1 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 1: Hi. I'm Laura Vanderkamp. I'm a mother of five, an author, journalist, 2 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: and speaker. 3 00:00:15,320 --> 00:00:19,120 Speaker 2: And I'm Sarah Hart Hunger, a mother of three, practicing physician, writer, 4 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,280 Speaker 2: and course creator. We are two working parents who love 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:24,000 Speaker 2: our careers and our families. 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,360 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. Here we talk about 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 1: how real women manage work, family, and time for fun. 8 00:00:30,880 --> 00:00:34,200 Speaker 1: From figuring out childcare to mapping out long term career goals. 9 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:39,320 Speaker 1: We want you to get the most out of life. 10 00:00:41,120 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to best of both worlds. This is Laura. This 11 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 1: episode is airing in late November of twenty twenty five. 12 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: We are going to be talking about dreaming big, the 13 00:00:51,000 --> 00:00:55,680 Speaker 1: idea of creating time and space for thinking about your future, 14 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: about planning the upcoming year. In particular, we're going to 15 00:00:59,520 --> 00:01:03,480 Speaker 1: be talking about our recent experience with Best Laid Plans Live, 16 00:01:03,520 --> 00:01:05,800 Speaker 1: which was a fun little get together that Sarah and 17 00:01:05,800 --> 00:01:08,640 Speaker 1: I were part of a couple weeks ago. But first, 18 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: this is airing the week of Thanksgiving. Sarah, do you 19 00:01:12,040 --> 00:01:15,080 Speaker 1: have any fun family traditions or anything you're doing this year? 20 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, We're doing our kind of usual Thanksgiving this year, 21 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 2: which doesn't involve travel and is fairly low key. My 22 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 2: kids are off for an entire week, and that has 23 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 2: been the case for a few years now, except for 24 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 2: one random year when the Montessori school decided we'll open 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:33,160 Speaker 2: half a day on Monday and that's it. But beyond 26 00:01:33,200 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: that they realized that that didn't make any sense, and 27 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 2: so the public schools, the private schools, pretty much everyone 28 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 2: in South Florida is off for the entire week of Thanksgiving, 29 00:01:42,240 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 2: and we plan to stick around. We have some family 30 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 2: gatherings planned. We have a friends Giving that we've been doing, 31 00:01:48,720 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: I think for the third or fourth year in a 32 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 2: row now. That usually is on Saturday, and I definitely 33 00:01:53,360 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: want to see the Wicked sequel. 34 00:01:55,520 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: Put that on the calendar for sure. Yeah, I need 35 00:01:59,080 --> 00:02:02,560 Speaker 1: to shift my mental model of Thanksgiving. So up until 36 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:06,880 Speaker 1: this year, our school district had class on Monday and 37 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 1: Tuesday and a half day Wednesday, So in my mind, 38 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving was not a particularly available weekend or you know, 39 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: for travel or anything like that. And plus we all 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: often do the actual Thanksgiving meal itself with my side 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 1: of the family, and everyone's within a few hours of here, 42 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: so there's not extensive travel like you just drive to 43 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,440 Speaker 1: either We're hosting or a drive to somebody else's house, 44 00:02:28,480 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 1: but it's a day trip whatever it's going to be, 45 00:02:31,160 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: so we're generally not flying anywhere. However, this year they 46 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,519 Speaker 1: switched it. They got rid of half days, which is nice, 47 00:02:40,040 --> 00:02:42,360 Speaker 1: so we do not have school on Wednesday, and that 48 00:02:42,440 --> 00:02:43,799 Speaker 1: was fine. I was like, oh, okay, well, you know, 49 00:02:43,840 --> 00:02:46,760 Speaker 1: I hadn't really built that into my mental model, but fine. 50 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 1: And then I was talking to some people and looked 51 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: at it and realized the elementary and middle schools are 52 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 1: actually doing conferences on Tuesday, so it wasn't on the 53 00:02:59,680 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 1: mass to school district calendar because they don't do like 54 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 1: individual schools calendar days on there. But three of the 55 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: four children who are home do not have school on 56 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 1: that day, so and that may be the case in 57 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: the future too, in which case, oh my goodness, Like 58 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,160 Speaker 1: I think we could go somewhere. I mean, that's like 59 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: a major time off, you know. So I'm pondering, like 60 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: in the future if we want to take a trip 61 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: or something like that. As it is, we're gonna be 62 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: sticking around here because I didn't make any last minute 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 1: plans for that, and I'm just gonna be working because 64 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: I've got a lot of work going on. But yeah, 65 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: it's different, different mental models. Sometimes the calendar sneaks up 66 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:38,400 Speaker 1: on you. 67 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 2: And there is that from a work perspective, it can 68 00:03:40,840 --> 00:03:44,280 Speaker 2: be difficult. I mean, I'm definitely not off all week 69 00:03:44,320 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: for clinical. I am working Tuesdays, so or Nanny will 70 00:03:46,800 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: be coming that day. I know I'll be recording a 71 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 2: ton on Monday as I'm preparing for my book launch. 72 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:53,920 Speaker 2: And you do have to always remember those work trade offs. 73 00:03:53,920 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: Where winter break is also coming up for us, that's 74 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:00,280 Speaker 2: two weeks off. I do travel for that time, and 75 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 2: it tends to be very busy. From like a annual 76 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 2: planning leader perspective, I guess. So I don't know for me, 77 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 2: like as much as it would be nice to travel, 78 00:04:10,160 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 2: I think that I'm gonna keep Thanksgiving low key even 79 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:13,880 Speaker 2: though we have a week. 80 00:04:14,640 --> 00:04:17,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, there is true we are traveling over 81 00:04:17,480 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: Christmas and there will be time off then too, and 82 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: so Thanksgiving comes close before that. So there are trade 83 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:26,960 Speaker 1: offs at this and as always with controlling your own schedules, 84 00:04:27,000 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: like well I can do things, should I do things? 85 00:04:29,560 --> 00:04:33,680 Speaker 1: I don't know, so many things to ponder with that, 86 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:35,719 Speaker 1: but we will get started on some of the items 87 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 1: on the holiday fun list. I think we'll wind up 88 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 1: going to Dutch Wonderland, which is a little I mean, 89 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: Sarah probably knows this, but it's a small amusement park 90 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: around here that also does holiday light show displays. And 91 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,039 Speaker 1: they had a flash sale with really cheap tickets. I 92 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:53,040 Speaker 1: mean not when there are seven people, They're never cheap, 93 00:04:53,080 --> 00:04:55,200 Speaker 1: but you know, it was cheaper than a lot of 94 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: other things could have been. So I got that for 95 00:04:57,200 --> 00:04:59,760 Speaker 1: all of us, And we'll probably go to Longwood Gardens, 96 00:05:00,760 --> 00:05:05,120 Speaker 1: which is often challenging to get a reservation for Longwood Christmas, 97 00:05:05,160 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 1: but I got the membership where you don't have to 98 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:13,200 Speaker 1: make reservations. That was my investment in my family's flexibility 99 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: for this year. So happy about that. But yeah, are 100 00:05:17,240 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 1: you guys doing any holiday stuff over Thanksgiving? 101 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 2: Or I feel like we kick off our kind of 102 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 2: fun holiday stuff after. So it's just going to be 103 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: more family focused in Thanksgiving. Like I want to save 104 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: my watching of Elf and our Nutcracker and like that's 105 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:35,279 Speaker 2: for later and Hankah. This year is it's like mid December. 106 00:05:35,400 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 2: So yeah, I think our more holiday festivities will start 107 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: post Thanksgiving, although I do plan on doing a lot 108 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: of Black Friday Hanukkah shopping, which we have done in 109 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: years past and has been a nice timing. 110 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, I hear that Sarah's kids have already made 111 00:05:50,440 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: their PowerPoint presentations with their gift requests. 112 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,359 Speaker 2: Yes, they're quite elaborate. I don't know what that says 113 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 2: about them, but it does make sure a little bit easier. 114 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:03,120 Speaker 2: Although we've made it very clear that just because there 115 00:06:03,160 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 2: is a slide with something on it does not mean 116 00:06:05,360 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: you will receive said item, because there's a lot of slides. 117 00:06:09,880 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: As one of my children made a list that was 118 00:06:12,560 --> 00:06:15,640 Speaker 1: quite long with astis under it saying, you know, I 119 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: do not expect everything on this list. This is just 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: to give you lots of options to choose from, so 121 00:06:20,279 --> 00:06:24,800 Speaker 1: I will then be surprised. So I respect that. I respect. Yeah, 122 00:06:24,839 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: So this episode is going to be some reflections from 123 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 1: our recent Best Laid Plans Live extravaganza, which was in 124 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 1: South Florida in early November. So Sarah, maybe you can 125 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,960 Speaker 1: tell a little bit about the background of how Best 126 00:06:40,000 --> 00:06:41,520 Speaker 1: Laid Plans Live came to be. 127 00:06:42,240 --> 00:06:45,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, the idea came to me because Josh and I 128 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:49,239 Speaker 2: have had several kind of couples getaways that turned into 129 00:06:49,320 --> 00:06:53,360 Speaker 2: many planning trips. They would often happen around our anniversary, 130 00:06:53,400 --> 00:06:56,800 Speaker 2: so midyear or his birthday, which conveniently is towards the 131 00:06:56,880 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 2: end of the year, and we'd start going through our 132 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 2: calendars and kind of setting and I'm like, you know, 133 00:07:01,440 --> 00:07:04,120 Speaker 2: this should be like a whole formalized thing. And I 134 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 2: was very attracted to the idea of a you know, 135 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 2: I talk about kind of planning in proportion to the 136 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:11,520 Speaker 2: level of the time frame that you're planning. So my 137 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:15,000 Speaker 2: yearly planning should really be I don't want to say, elaborate, 138 00:07:15,040 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 2: but thoughtful and not rushed. And so, you know, I 139 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:19,440 Speaker 2: was doing these with Josh, and I think I might 140 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: have said to him or thought about it, like, well, 141 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:24,080 Speaker 2: you know, anybody could do this and I could like 142 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 2: prepackage it. And then I was like, you know, I 143 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: wonder if anyone would actually want to come plan with me. 144 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,360 Speaker 2: And I also will give a shout out to another 145 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:37,160 Speaker 2: mother Runner because they hosted running retreats that I had 146 00:07:37,200 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 2: always been like, hm, I kind of want to do 147 00:07:39,360 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: that someday, so haha, won't be doing that, but at 148 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 2: least I got them as inspo and I even emailed 149 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 2: or called Sarah and she told me that running retreat 150 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: was incredibly rewarding. This is Sarah from another mother runner, 151 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:55,680 Speaker 2: not myself, but to be careful because retreats are very 152 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 2: expensive and it's not a good business plan. And I 153 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 2: was like, well, okay, but that's fine. I want to 154 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,560 Speaker 2: do it anyway, like as long as I come out 155 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 2: even or whatever, I want to see what this is, like, 156 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,520 Speaker 2: I'll go for it. And so, I mean, it did 157 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 2: feel kind of risky because I was doing it entirely 158 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,119 Speaker 2: on my own. But this was fall of twenty twenty three. 159 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: I had already taught the first round of bestleid Plans Academy, 160 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,160 Speaker 2: so I knew people were interested in planning with me. 161 00:08:19,160 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 2: I don't remember if I had actually like floated the 162 00:08:20,840 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 2: idea to this group or not, but went ahead and 163 00:08:24,000 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 2: launched the tickets. Worked with a hotel, set up a package. 164 00:08:26,880 --> 00:08:29,360 Speaker 2: I had a lot of fear about if you reserve 165 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:31,880 Speaker 2: space and then you don't sell the number of rooms, 166 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 2: then you can be on the hook for them, so 167 00:08:33,880 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 2: it's actually kind of scary. However, I tried to make 168 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 2: the contract with enough wiggle rooms so that like I 169 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 2: could call the whole thing off if it was like 170 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 2: a total failure, and I wouldn't have to pay for 171 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:47,000 Speaker 2: twenty rooms or something like that anyway, So it all 172 00:08:47,040 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 2: worked out. People signed up. We had about twenty participants 173 00:08:50,080 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 2: that first year, including Laura, which was amazing and I 174 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:54,680 Speaker 2: really appreciated that. 175 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,000 Speaker 1: I think she really wanted to come right of course, 176 00:08:57,040 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: of course, and it was a show of support, and 177 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:01,319 Speaker 1: we just had a blast. 178 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:04,120 Speaker 2: Like I remember thinking, oh, you know this, who knows 179 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: these people won't get along whatever, And within like fifteen 180 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 2: minutes it was like, oh, oh no, this is fine, 181 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 2: this is going to be fine. I had crafted a 182 00:09:11,640 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 2: curriculum and a workbook which I then later ended up 183 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:18,120 Speaker 2: repurposing for like an at home version, but it seemed 184 00:09:18,120 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 2: to really work. There was even more discussion and kind 185 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,720 Speaker 2: of cross talk and cross pollination of different ideas and 186 00:09:24,760 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: inspiration than I had even imagined. 187 00:09:27,280 --> 00:09:28,319 Speaker 1: And I had a great time. 188 00:09:28,600 --> 00:09:32,840 Speaker 2: But then I also was like, that was so much work, 189 00:09:33,000 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: and you know, not everything's about money, but I think 190 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 2: I might have like barely broken even who was like, wow, 191 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:42,640 Speaker 2: I spent so many hours and it was stressful doing 192 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,360 Speaker 2: it on my own. It felt very risky, and I 193 00:09:45,400 --> 00:09:48,080 Speaker 2: said to Laura, like I am not entirely sure I 194 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:51,440 Speaker 2: can do this again, and she said, but it was 195 00:09:51,480 --> 00:09:53,880 Speaker 2: really really good, Like anything I can do to help, 196 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 2: you know, make it happen, Lisa's what I remember. And 197 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:57,760 Speaker 2: I'm like, do you want to do it with me? 198 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 1: And I did, Yeah, No, I mean it was a 199 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,680 Speaker 1: lot of fun for me the first year going to it. 200 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,079 Speaker 1: I mean partly because people who were coming to Sarah's 201 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: retreats sometimes knew me as well, and so they This 202 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:15,439 Speaker 1: is actually kind of a fun thing of having put 203 00:10:15,440 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: my life out into the public world for lo these 204 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: many years, is that people who listen to or read 205 00:10:20,679 --> 00:10:23,559 Speaker 1: you like know enough about your life that you get 206 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,520 Speaker 1: to skip like twenty minutes of small talk in your 207 00:10:26,520 --> 00:10:28,960 Speaker 1: first conversation because they already know like, oh that you 208 00:10:29,040 --> 00:10:31,000 Speaker 1: have these kids or you've had these jobs, and you've 209 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,960 Speaker 1: done these things, and so they then start talking about 210 00:10:34,000 --> 00:10:36,080 Speaker 1: the things they know you're going to find most interesting. 211 00:10:36,160 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: It's like it makes her so much better conversations. I 212 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: was like, oh, well, this is great. These are already 213 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:41,880 Speaker 1: my friends. I mean, they're not really my friends. I 214 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:43,840 Speaker 1: didn't know them yet, but they became them. 215 00:10:43,720 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 2: Right, They are truly like and now they definitely consider 216 00:10:46,840 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: many of the attendees, I mean really all of them 217 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 2: feel like friends at this point. 218 00:10:50,760 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: Which was unexpected. 219 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, right, Like, I don't think I went in thinking 220 00:10:54,440 --> 00:10:55,680 Speaker 2: it was going to feel that way. 221 00:10:56,360 --> 00:10:58,280 Speaker 1: Well, and so it was so much fun and so yeah, 222 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: I wanted Sarah to do it again, and so I 223 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:03,959 Speaker 1: tell her we would just go split on it. We 224 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 1: would run it together. We would split the upsplits, split 225 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 1: the downside. Right, it's whatever it happens to be. 226 00:11:09,480 --> 00:11:11,920 Speaker 2: It's been amazing because it feels better doing it as 227 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: a team. For me, it feels less stressful, it feels 228 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:17,080 Speaker 2: more fun. I think we make a really fun team. 229 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: I'll get like really like in the weeds about something 230 00:11:19,040 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: in Laura is like, ugh, it's fine, Like I feel better. 231 00:11:24,920 --> 00:11:27,240 Speaker 1: Well, it's true. I the upside of I mean, so 232 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:29,760 Speaker 1: we hold these things in South Florida, which, of course, 233 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: I mean there's upsides that Sarah's local, like she doesn't 234 00:11:32,000 --> 00:11:33,960 Speaker 1: have to travel there, which you know, travels its own 235 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: special adventure. But on the other hand, that means I 236 00:11:38,200 --> 00:11:41,520 Speaker 1: get to excuse myself from some of the details of 237 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,600 Speaker 1: like hotel choosing and the like. So you know, there 238 00:11:44,640 --> 00:11:46,280 Speaker 1: are pluses and minuses with all of it. 239 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:49,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, And we actually ended up moving hotels this year 240 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,000 Speaker 2: and it was definitely I'm not saying anything. The prior 241 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: hotel was great, but the hotel we moved to was 242 00:11:55,920 --> 00:11:57,839 Speaker 2: definitely a notch nicer. I feel like it made the 243 00:11:57,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: whole experience more elevated. I got a lot of positive feedback, 244 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:02,680 Speaker 2: but it did take work to move. As you put. 245 00:12:03,160 --> 00:12:06,520 Speaker 2: We have a coordinator, Amanda, who is amazing. She was 246 00:12:06,559 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: in attendee as well the first year and has since 247 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 2: come on as an official coordinator role, and she helped 248 00:12:12,840 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 2: me tour different places and helped me select them and 249 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:18,319 Speaker 2: then also does a lot of the kind of logistics 250 00:12:18,360 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: work during the conference itself, so that even more, I 251 00:12:21,840 --> 00:12:24,280 Speaker 2: don't feel like I'm like on the hook for oh, 252 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:27,280 Speaker 2: you know, where's the gluten free option that we requested 253 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 2: at lunch or something like that. 254 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,920 Speaker 1: Yes, we don't have enough forks. Yeah, yeah, so that 255 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: is not something that Sarah I have to think about 256 00:12:34,320 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 1: during the retreated itself. Well, we're going to take a 257 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: quick ad break and then we'll be back talking a 258 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: little bit more about what happens at Best Laid Plans Live. 259 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:57,840 Speaker 1: So we are back talking about how to dream big 260 00:12:58,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: about planning the upcoming year, particularly through the lens of 261 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: having just done Best Laid Plans Live, which is a 262 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: retreat that Sarah started in twenty twenty three and that 263 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,480 Speaker 1: I came on as a co host in twenty twenty 264 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 1: four and repeated in twenty twenty five. So Sarah, talk 265 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,280 Speaker 1: about what we actually do at the retreat. 266 00:13:14,600 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll walk you through in case you want to 267 00:13:16,679 --> 00:13:19,559 Speaker 2: create a DIY version or do something like this with friends. 268 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 2: So okay, we spend the first evening and afternoon just 269 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,440 Speaker 2: really like getting to know each other, so it's a 270 00:13:25,440 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 2: lot of icebreaker type stuff. This year we did a 271 00:13:28,880 --> 00:13:32,800 Speaker 2: low stakes hot takes activity that was really fun, and 272 00:13:32,840 --> 00:13:35,120 Speaker 2: we do like very brief introductions and do some activities 273 00:13:35,160 --> 00:13:37,560 Speaker 2: where people can mingle a little bit, and then we 274 00:13:37,600 --> 00:13:40,959 Speaker 2: sit down and get all quiet and set some intentions 275 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:43,000 Speaker 2: for the weekend so that people can really think about 276 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 2: what do they want to come away with having accomplished 277 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,559 Speaker 2: with this protected time. And by the way, it is 278 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,360 Speaker 2: all women that have attended this retreat. We are not 279 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:55,120 Speaker 2: averse to having anybody of any gender register for our retreat, 280 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 2: but so far that is the audience we've gotten, and 281 00:13:57,920 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 2: many of these women have small kids at home, and 282 00:13:59,800 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 2: so for them, not only is it the structured planning 283 00:14:02,800 --> 00:14:06,040 Speaker 2: content they're here for, it's the space to do so. 284 00:14:07,080 --> 00:14:09,120 Speaker 2: And so we want people to take that seriously, and 285 00:14:09,160 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 2: that's why we do our little intention setting and then 286 00:14:12,080 --> 00:14:12,880 Speaker 2: it's Laura's turn. 287 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: Yay. Yeah. This year I led people through some calendar analysis. 288 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,800 Speaker 1: We had five women track their time for a week, 289 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: and I had talked with them before the event through 290 00:14:28,280 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: their schedules, and we'd come up with ideas for them 291 00:14:30,600 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: to try. So we talked about some things that were 292 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:35,840 Speaker 1: working really well in their lives, and then we talked 293 00:14:35,920 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 1: about some challenges they were having, and particularly we focused 294 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:45,440 Speaker 1: on challenges that might be slightly more broadly applicable. So 295 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:50,720 Speaker 1: among them was like figuring out what your hobby should be, 296 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: so not just like, oh, I need to find time 297 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: for my hobby. When people are busy enough, they are 298 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: often spending so much mental effort on work and family 299 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,640 Speaker 1: that they don't even know what they would do for fun. 300 00:15:01,680 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: And so when time starts to appear, like as your 301 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,360 Speaker 1: kids get older, you become enough good at your job 302 00:15:07,400 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: that you don't have to put as much mental effort 303 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:11,560 Speaker 1: into certain things, because they kind of run like clockwork 304 00:15:11,600 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: because you've set it up so amazingly, like you have 305 00:15:13,920 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: space to do something else in life, but figuring out 306 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,280 Speaker 1: what that is can be complicated. So we talked about that. 307 00:15:21,160 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: We talked about how to not hate life if you 308 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:26,600 Speaker 1: have a long commute, like how a long commute can 309 00:15:26,640 --> 00:15:31,440 Speaker 1: be turned into project or gold time. Since I know 310 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:34,000 Speaker 1: we have a number of listeners and people who are 311 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:37,440 Speaker 1: attending a retreat who maybe took jobs over the last 312 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: five years that were more fully remote and then have 313 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: become less fully remote as the world has emerged from COVID, 314 00:15:45,920 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 1: And while it's fun to be in the office, if 315 00:15:48,560 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: you maybe purchased your house thinking you had a fully 316 00:15:50,840 --> 00:15:53,440 Speaker 1: remote job and are now facing a very long commute 317 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: two or three times a week, that can be challenging. 318 00:15:56,200 --> 00:16:00,560 Speaker 1: And then spending more time in our zones of genius. 319 00:16:01,200 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: One of the people who was attending our retreat as 320 00:16:04,960 --> 00:16:09,280 Speaker 1: a religious leader, and so she's leading her congregation, and 321 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:13,320 Speaker 1: yet because it's sort of a smaller congregation, she's spending 322 00:16:13,320 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: a lot of time on things like furniture assembly and 323 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:22,800 Speaker 1: property management and an administration. In general, we want our 324 00:16:22,840 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: religious leaders to spend more time on the spiritual direction 325 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: of their flock, and less time on putting together I 326 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: can't furniture, so trying to figure out for all of 327 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:33,920 Speaker 1: us how we can spend more time in our zone 328 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: of genius and less on other things. 329 00:16:36,320 --> 00:16:38,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's really interesting because even though you would 330 00:16:38,280 --> 00:16:41,480 Speaker 2: think some of these challenges are so specific, you realize 331 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,640 Speaker 2: how truly universal many of them are. And then not 332 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:47,640 Speaker 2: only did Laura offer suggestions, but we got some fantastic 333 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,160 Speaker 2: and creative suggestions from all the women around the room 334 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,160 Speaker 2: as well, So it ended up being a really, really 335 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:53,920 Speaker 2: fun session. I definitely think we should do that next 336 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:54,520 Speaker 2: year as well. 337 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 1: And then we had time for coming up with our 338 00:16:56,480 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: list of one hundred dreams and for sharing some of 339 00:16:59,040 --> 00:17:02,120 Speaker 1: those in small groups as well. Yes, and then we 340 00:17:02,240 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: have fun. 341 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: So this retreat again is really supposed to be something 342 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:08,720 Speaker 2: you look forward to. So we cap that all off 343 00:17:08,720 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 2: with the reception the first night, with drinks and fun 344 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:14,080 Speaker 2: foods and stuff like that. Often there's an after party 345 00:17:14,119 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: that I skip. I'm more fun later on, but as 346 00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:20,160 Speaker 2: you'll hear, I do like the bulk of the kind 347 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 2: of stand up teaching on the next couple of days, 348 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:24,040 Speaker 2: so I usually need to go to bed on that 349 00:17:24,080 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 2: first night in order to kind of prepare myself. Okay, 350 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 2: So then on day two, so the first day is 351 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 2: a half day, the second day is a full day. 352 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: It's a Friday. 353 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:35,119 Speaker 2: We get up early and there's an optional beat yoga, 354 00:17:35,119 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 2: which Laura and I have enjoyed taking part of for 355 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: the last three years now, and then we kind of 356 00:17:42,040 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 2: head into hardcore planning modes. So there's a workbook and 357 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,320 Speaker 2: people get out their pens and we go through various exercises. 358 00:17:48,359 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 2: We start with visioning type stuff like really long term dreaming, 359 00:17:51,359 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: thinking about what we want our life to look like 360 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,320 Speaker 2: down the road and really kind of getting specific about that, 361 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,439 Speaker 2: and then zooming back in we look back about how 362 00:18:00,440 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 2: the year has gone, which projects we are excited to 363 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:07,199 Speaker 2: have completed, which projects we are ready to move on from, 364 00:18:07,480 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 2: and maybe those projects that we wish we had done 365 00:18:09,720 --> 00:18:11,800 Speaker 2: but weren't in the cards for twenty twenty five, and 366 00:18:11,840 --> 00:18:14,000 Speaker 2: we have to think about how we might reframe them 367 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:16,360 Speaker 2: or maybe add some more support to get them done. 368 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty six. We do like a big calendar 369 00:18:19,000 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 2: deep dive, and then we do goal setting, and that's 370 00:18:21,600 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 2: like a very spat up version because each of these 371 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:26,760 Speaker 2: things is usually kind of heads down time where people 372 00:18:26,800 --> 00:18:29,399 Speaker 2: are writing in their workbooks, and then we'll ask people 373 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 2: to share various things, often crowdsourcing, where there's maybe a 374 00:18:32,640 --> 00:18:35,280 Speaker 2: little bit of tension or a dilemma for somebody, like oh, 375 00:18:35,320 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: I wanted to do this, but you know it didn't 376 00:18:37,359 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 2: work out, and anybody have the ideas for how that 377 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,679 Speaker 2: might be different This year, We take a break and 378 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 2: then we do a ton of systems talk, and I 379 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:48,160 Speaker 2: actually restructure the retreat a little bit this year because 380 00:18:48,160 --> 00:18:50,200 Speaker 2: it was kind of mixed in before where we'd be 381 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,000 Speaker 2: doing goal setting and then we'd kind of pivot to 382 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 2: and how are you keeping track of these goals? And 383 00:18:54,280 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 2: instead we did like all our goal setting kind of 384 00:18:56,160 --> 00:18:58,439 Speaker 2: in the morning, and then the afternoon was about like 385 00:18:58,760 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 2: the life systems that enable some of these things to happen, 386 00:19:01,560 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 2: like when will you look at your goals lists? And 387 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,600 Speaker 2: how do you plan your week? And how do you 388 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 2: handle all the loose ends coming at you and things 389 00:19:08,760 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: like that. It's almost like a little mini Bestaid Plans academy. 390 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: I guess. 391 00:19:12,880 --> 00:19:14,959 Speaker 2: Then we relax again so people get a little bit 392 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,000 Speaker 2: of downtime, and then we all meet up for dinner, 393 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:21,680 Speaker 2: and then we have one more night, so the next 394 00:19:21,720 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 2: morning there's a little again we always want people to 395 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:26,400 Speaker 2: be in the right mindset to enjoy themselves a little 396 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: bit of outdoor time walking or running, whichever they want. 397 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:31,879 Speaker 2: And then we talk about a lot of just common 398 00:19:32,119 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: hot topics, from time for deep focused work, to sharing 399 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:43,720 Speaker 2: the load with your partner, to managing technology. Meal planning, 400 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:45,679 Speaker 2: that's Laura's favorite part. I'm just kidding. 401 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: We could run a whole retreat on meal planning and. 402 00:19:49,920 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 2: Maybe that's the spinoff. 403 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: Just kidding. 404 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 2: Anyway, and then there's usually tons of conversation by that 405 00:19:57,520 --> 00:19:59,840 Speaker 2: point because everyone really feels like they know each other. 406 00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:02,200 Speaker 2: We do some fun stuff like go around the room 407 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: and share either like a fun you know, a love 408 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 2: of the week or a word of the year, things 409 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:08,560 Speaker 2: like that, or one big goal we're hoping to be 410 00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 2: able to give positive news on the next year. And 411 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 2: then we wrap up and everyone's really really sad to leave, 412 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:15,320 Speaker 2: including me. 413 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 1: Well, and I was sad to leave, but I didn't 414 00:20:17,920 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: get to leave. 415 00:20:19,280 --> 00:20:24,240 Speaker 2: So yeah, that is true. Well, you got to enjoy 416 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 2: some extra time with me. 417 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:27,879 Speaker 1: I were lucky. I did get to enjoy some extra 418 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,720 Speaker 1: time with Sarah. So this was early November. Thankfully we're 419 00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:36,640 Speaker 1: through this now, but listeners may recall that the government 420 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 1: shut down and the flight cancelations and such was happening 421 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: right at this time, and so a number of people 422 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,160 Speaker 1: had delayed or canceled flights. My flight to Philadelphia was canceled, 423 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:48,119 Speaker 1: so I didn't get out till the next day. But 424 00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: the upside is I got to hang out with Sarah. 425 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 2: I mean, we had thirty attendees and almost all of 426 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,280 Speaker 2: them flew in. There were a couple of Florians, but 427 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,280 Speaker 2: most were not local, and I think you were the 428 00:20:57,280 --> 00:20:58,680 Speaker 2: only one that got stuck overnight. 429 00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,400 Speaker 1: Okay, say, I'm just blessed. 430 00:21:02,200 --> 00:21:04,119 Speaker 2: Yes, but we had a fun dinner and she slept 431 00:21:04,160 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 2: over in my living room and it was great. 432 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:09,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly. So you know, the idea is you 433 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 1: want to come out of this with ideas for the 434 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:15,520 Speaker 1: next year and ways to think about your next year, 435 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:19,080 Speaker 1: and you know, looking at what time is available and 436 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: how our goals are going to actually fit in our lives. 437 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:24,520 Speaker 1: I came out of it with a few things. I mean, 438 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: we won't spoil our goals episode, but you know, it's 439 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:29,520 Speaker 1: even like random stuff like I want to actually wear 440 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: my jewelry. I tend to forget to put it on. 441 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: And then you know, I need to plan my next 442 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,680 Speaker 1: get together with Sarah, for it's always a treat when 443 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: I am coming through a northern winter to February March 444 00:21:45,040 --> 00:21:47,760 Speaker 1: head down to Florida for another best of both world's 445 00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:49,880 Speaker 1: retreat with Sarah. So I realize, I need to get 446 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: that on the calendar. So we have a rough date 447 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:52,080 Speaker 1: for that now. 448 00:21:52,680 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 2: Yes, And I had like a revelation that I can 449 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 2: combine my desire to see fall leaves with my desire 450 00:21:57,720 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 2: to see my college friends. So going to work on 451 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:03,399 Speaker 2: that and I would say my incomplete but line of 452 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,639 Speaker 2: thinking is like I need a running replacement and what 453 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 2: will that be? So I just started really thinking about that. 454 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, And we have now had some of the same 455 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:14,119 Speaker 1: attendees who have been there for three years, and so 456 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:17,200 Speaker 1: we were starting to hear various goals that people set 457 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:20,439 Speaker 1: in the past that have happened, whether that's homes that 458 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: have been remodeled, books published, new jobs landed, and sometimes 459 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: people say that they didn't do something but they want 460 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:30,959 Speaker 1: to repeat it, which is fine. I know Sarah's had 461 00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 1: the experience of sometimes goals not happening one year and 462 00:22:33,600 --> 00:22:36,639 Speaker 1: then she decides to reset it and it eventually does. 463 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, we talk about how if you do have a 464 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 2: goal that wasn't meant you still want to do it, 465 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 2: you probably need to approach it differently, Like whatever you 466 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:46,680 Speaker 2: were throwing at it before wasn't enough, But that doesn't 467 00:22:46,680 --> 00:22:48,399 Speaker 2: mean that you need to cross it off the list. 468 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,920 Speaker 2: I mean, my book was on my hundred Dreams list 469 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: for many years before it came to fruition. 470 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, we're going to take one more quick ad 471 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: break and then we'll be back talking about ways you 472 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 1: can kind of diy then if you would like to, well, 473 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:17,560 Speaker 1: we are back talking about our experiences at Best Laid 474 00:23:17,560 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 1: Plans Live. A few weeks ago or we had thirty 475 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: attendees come to South Florida to think through our upcoming 476 00:23:24,280 --> 00:23:30,479 Speaker 1: year and meet some great friends, have a good time together. So, Sarah, 477 00:23:30,560 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: does everyone need to come to South Florida? I guess 478 00:23:32,880 --> 00:23:35,119 Speaker 1: we can't have everyone who listens to this come, Although 479 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: fun as that would be. 480 00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:39,000 Speaker 2: I know we can't. And like side note, like we 481 00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,440 Speaker 2: keep talking about like do we want to make it bigger? 482 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:43,840 Speaker 2: Because we know more? We did have a waiting list, 483 00:23:43,880 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 2: and everyone seems to want to come back, but we're 484 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:49,560 Speaker 2: not entirely sure. We're thinking about it, we're thinking about 485 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,919 Speaker 2: the structure. But assuming that you are not able to 486 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,760 Speaker 2: make it to join us live, there are so many 487 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,000 Speaker 2: other things you can do. You can absolutely DEI why 488 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 2: this with your partner again, this started with me and 489 00:23:57,840 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 2: Josh doing it, So with a friend by yourself, you 490 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,960 Speaker 2: can create an agenda for yourself. I think the main 491 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 2: ingredients you need are protected time and an idea or 492 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 2: some kind of structure, whether you make it up or 493 00:24:10,359 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: get it from somebody else, of what you want to plan. 494 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,800 Speaker 2: And I think adding a dash of fun and relaxation 495 00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: really is going to help this be successful and something 496 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,720 Speaker 2: that you look forward to. If you want a kind 497 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:25,160 Speaker 2: of very similar version to what we do live, that's 498 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 2: kind of given to you already pre structured. My program 499 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,679 Speaker 2: Best Laid Plans at Home Planning twenty twenty six is 500 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: basically the same content. The workbook is designed a little 501 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 2: bit differently. Instead of beach Theming, it is ski and 502 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: winter Theming this year because it always takes place at 503 00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: the end of the year, and I'm going for like 504 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:46,119 Speaker 2: cozy lodge vibes instead of palm trees. But it is 505 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:48,800 Speaker 2: really many of the same exercises, a lot of that 506 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 2: same heads down time, me providing it for you via zoom. 507 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,680 Speaker 2: And so I really love teaching this course. Every year 508 00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 2: it's grown, and I do still like it to be 509 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 2: a size where people can So I do three showings now, 510 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: one in December, one in January, and then one I 511 00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:07,960 Speaker 2: think it's also in January. That's weekend, so that if 512 00:25:07,960 --> 00:25:10,000 Speaker 2: people don't have time during the work week due to 513 00:25:10,000 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 2: a less flexible work schedule, you can actually catch it 514 00:25:12,440 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 2: with me. I don't even remember if it's Saturday, air Sunday. 515 00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:15,359 Speaker 1: It iss on my website. 516 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,920 Speaker 2: All that information you can find at the shoebox dot 517 00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,400 Speaker 2: com slash courses. 518 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I was thinking about it if I were 519 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: going to do this on my own, what elements I 520 00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:27,640 Speaker 1: would probably include. I would definitely carve out space for 521 00:25:27,840 --> 00:25:29,719 Speaker 1: that list of one hundred dreams, so sort of an 522 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:32,639 Speaker 1: unedited what do I want in the future in my 523 00:25:32,800 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 1: life then sort of drill it down, like what on 524 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,680 Speaker 1: this list do I think might be fun to take 525 00:25:40,760 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: on over the next year, Right, So professionally, what do 526 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: I want to be talking about at the end of 527 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 1: the next year that I've done that, I'm going to 528 00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,840 Speaker 1: be raising my champagne glass to toast how an amazing 529 00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,320 Speaker 1: a year it was, What like three to five things 530 00:25:54,320 --> 00:25:57,400 Speaker 1: would I be excited about? And in my personal life too, 531 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 1: you know, if I'm talking with my face family at 532 00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,639 Speaker 1: our extended family get together at the end of the 533 00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: next year, and I'm telling about what we did over 534 00:26:06,320 --> 00:26:08,320 Speaker 1: the year, like, well my family did, what was so fun? 535 00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 1: What accomplishments or experiences would I be talking about, Like, 536 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,920 Speaker 1: these are the highlights of my year over the next year. 537 00:26:15,960 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 1: And then you know, if there's any sort of long 538 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 1: term projects I like to do every year with you know, 539 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,399 Speaker 1: reading or listening to or writing something, so thinking about that, 540 00:26:24,440 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: you know how I could take that big list and 541 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: pull it down. I do think it's also helpful to 542 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: do a version of like an ideal week schedule, because 543 00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: whatever goals you are going to set in life have 544 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: to fit in the one hundred and sixty eight hours 545 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: you have each week. We are not going to become 546 00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: entirely different people in the new year. We are going 547 00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: to have many of the same constraints we have currently, 548 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,400 Speaker 1: and so you need to sort of analyze your schedule, 549 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: not saying everything that's happening now has to happen then, 550 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,679 Speaker 1: but roughly the times that are flexible are going to 551 00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:00,280 Speaker 1: be the times that are flexible in the future. You 552 00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: could make some tweaks, but what would those be in 553 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,080 Speaker 1: order to free up more space, Maybe you decide because 554 00:27:05,080 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: that's going to suggest some goals in and of itself. Right, Like, 555 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: if you have a hobby you want to start doing 556 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: on the weekends, but you have young kids, one of 557 00:27:13,000 --> 00:27:16,199 Speaker 1: the steps toward that is either going to be working 558 00:27:16,240 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: out a specific trade off time with your partner or 559 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:21,919 Speaker 1: a friend or another family member so that you have 560 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,600 Speaker 1: that protected time, or it's going to be hiring a 561 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,879 Speaker 1: sitter who can come stay with your kids during that time. 562 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,320 Speaker 1: But those are all going to be suggested by doing 563 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:34,120 Speaker 1: that ideal week exercise. So big list, hone it down 564 00:27:34,160 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: to one year, look at the schedule, see where it 565 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:37,719 Speaker 1: can fit in. 566 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,440 Speaker 2: I would even also just add look at what's already planned, 567 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:43,800 Speaker 2: because many of us have stuff coming up next year 568 00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 2: that might be really big, and if you don't take 569 00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 2: those like kind of big rocks into consideration, that's it's 570 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 2: sort of like the ideal year in a way. I 571 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: mean not really, but just like all of these goals 572 00:27:53,280 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 2: have to be grounded in reality, and like if you're 573 00:27:55,840 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 2: having a baby in March, then that might alter to 574 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:02,960 Speaker 2: forget that, but other medium sized things you might not 575 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 2: think about. 576 00:28:03,560 --> 00:28:06,760 Speaker 1: So yeah, I kind of forgotten. One of the things 577 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,080 Speaker 1: that's happening this year is, you know, in terms of travel, 578 00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,760 Speaker 1: like I will probably attend my twenty fifth college reunion 579 00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: in May, and I don't have to go far, but 580 00:28:14,440 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: it will be a whole long weekend of stuff, and 581 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:21,159 Speaker 1: so I had sort of not really remembered that, so 582 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,760 Speaker 1: I was thinking through the year that that would be 583 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,280 Speaker 1: coming up. So put that in and it'll be fun. 584 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: I'll see people that I haven't seen in a while. 585 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 2: That'll be great. Yeah, your review of the year will 586 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: yield little discoveries like that, and then you can. 587 00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:34,080 Speaker 1: Plan around them. 588 00:28:34,080 --> 00:28:35,640 Speaker 2: But things you're already excited to do. 589 00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. But you'll hear the goals that we set 590 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 1: in our upcoming Goals episode, which Sarah will make sure 591 00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 1: that we do. 592 00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:45,680 Speaker 2: We are definitely doing it on the schedule. 593 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: So we have this question. We mentioned that list of 594 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,080 Speaker 1: one hundred dreams idea that sort of long unedited list 595 00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:54,920 Speaker 1: of anything you want to spend more time doing or 596 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:57,400 Speaker 1: goals you want to accomplish over the course of your life. 597 00:28:57,840 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: So Sarah and I have both made several of these, 598 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: and a listener asked us, what do you do with 599 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:05,840 Speaker 1: your old list of one hundred dreams? So, Sarah, what 600 00:29:05,880 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: do you do with yours? 601 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:10,600 Speaker 2: I've have hazardly kept them, like some I've snapped pictures 602 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:12,520 Speaker 2: of and put them in the blog. Some of them 603 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:14,080 Speaker 2: I'll like take a picture and I have a folder 604 00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 2: and Apple notes that says it's my Sunday Mimi, and 605 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 2: then I have a bunch of pictures of one hundred 606 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:18,880 Speaker 2: dreams lists there. 607 00:29:19,680 --> 00:29:19,960 Speaker 1: Yeah. 608 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 2: I do, however, like to start from scratch when I 609 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 2: do the exercise, because it doesn't take like seven hours 610 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: to write a hundred dreams. It probably takes an hour, honestly, 611 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,719 Speaker 2: if you're really well. I tend to be quick at 612 00:29:30,760 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 2: this type of thing, so it takes me about an hour. 613 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:36,680 Speaker 2: And I would rather not necessarily be prompted by what 614 00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,120 Speaker 2: was on my old list, Like I think be fun 615 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,280 Speaker 2: to look at the old list afterward, but actually be like, 616 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 2: as of now, what are the things that I want 617 00:29:42,280 --> 00:29:45,120 Speaker 2: to do? So I don't pay tons of attention to 618 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,160 Speaker 2: keeping it, and I don't think of it as like 619 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 2: I mean, it is an interesting idea that it's like 620 00:29:49,000 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 2: a time horizon above the year, and you're going to 621 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 2: select your year list from it, And it sounds like 622 00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 2: you do that a little bit more, I don't. I 623 00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,840 Speaker 2: use it more as like a idea hub off in 624 00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: the clouds of my brain that will get pulled from 625 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,000 Speaker 2: when and I feel like it. 626 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, So mine are on my blog. I have one 627 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: from twenty ten, I have one from twenty fifteen. I 628 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:13,760 Speaker 1: have one from twenty eighteen, which sounds like I'm probably 629 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: due to write another one, Sarah. Maybe we need to 630 00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 1: both do these soon. 631 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, although I don't I mean some of them. Is 632 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:22,400 Speaker 2: all of it bloggable? I don't know. 633 00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, No, probably all of us not bloggable, and so 634 00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:29,480 Speaker 1: I would need to think that through as well. But 635 00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:32,120 Speaker 1: it's kind of fun to look back at the old 636 00:30:32,120 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: ones because a reasonable number of things on the twenty 637 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,160 Speaker 1: ten list have happened, some have not, and then some 638 00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: I realize, like, I have no interest in this anymore. 639 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:47,280 Speaker 1: And that's also good to know, because life changes, and 640 00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 1: sometimes it's fun to look through past ones with that 641 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:54,800 Speaker 1: in mind because yeah, you know, totally don't have to 642 00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: keep our goals forever. 643 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,160 Speaker 2: No, it's just a it's not a life report card either, 644 00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:01,640 Speaker 2: It's just a list you generated on a given day, 645 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 2: on a given day. 646 00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 1: All right, So love of the week, Sarah, Mine is 647 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 1: going to be going to live events. I mean, post 648 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 1: pandemic is really cool to see people in person, obviously, 649 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:16,040 Speaker 1: even if there is the risk of flight cancelation. These 650 00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: are the downsides we sometimes accept in order to see 651 00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: people in person. And I would tell people it is 652 00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:30,600 Speaker 1: often worth getting on a plane. There's often reasonable airfares 653 00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: to get places. When air travel works, it is very 654 00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: very fast. I mean like literally I'm in the Philadelphia 655 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,320 Speaker 1: airport and like two hours later, I'm in South Florida. 656 00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: It's just incredible. When it works. There are sometimes complications, 657 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: but when it works, it's great. So if you have 658 00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: friends you would like to get together with, you don't 659 00:31:52,640 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: necessarily need to be so precious about this. Like you 660 00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:58,840 Speaker 1: could just choose a weekend, get on a plane on 661 00:31:58,960 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: Friday evening and come back Sunday night and go see 662 00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: them and you'd probably really enjoy it. 663 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:07,400 Speaker 2: Definitely, Well, my level of the week, I'm going a 664 00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:09,520 Speaker 2: little basic here. I had book club last night, and 665 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 2: I'm just so happy I have a book club. Like 666 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 2: it's just a fun thing to have on the calendar, 667 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 2: and I hope I continue to do it going forward. 668 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:20,239 Speaker 2: And this is your encouragement that you know, if you're 669 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 2: telling yourself a story that like you can't do something 670 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,239 Speaker 2: like that, visit a friend or be part of a 671 00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,320 Speaker 2: community group because I don't know, it would be a 672 00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,400 Speaker 2: pain to fit it in question yourself, like what are 673 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:32,680 Speaker 2: the actual barriers? 674 00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you can probably make it happen. And just 675 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:37,880 Speaker 1: to shout out here, We're going to be doing a 676 00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:41,720 Speaker 1: couple book club picks with our Patreon community for Best 677 00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:43,920 Speaker 1: of Both Worlds over the next year. We'll be publishing 678 00:32:43,960 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: our curriculum for twenty twenty six very soon. 679 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:49,400 Speaker 2: And I'm super excited about it. 680 00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's good. 681 00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: It's more interactive. I think like we are going to 682 00:32:54,840 --> 00:32:57,160 Speaker 2: you know, it's obviously voluntary, but we're going to be 683 00:32:57,160 --> 00:33:00,760 Speaker 2: hosting basically challenges every single month with follow up on 684 00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:03,239 Speaker 2: those things, and I think people are gonna love it. 685 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm excited for it. 686 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,320 Speaker 1: Yeah. So for any new listeners, our podcast, The Best 687 00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:10,280 Speaker 1: of Both Worlds has a Patreon community, so you can 688 00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 1: go over to patreon dot com and search for that 689 00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 1: Best of Both Worlds podcasts. We have a very active 690 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,240 Speaker 1: forum where we have usually three discussions a week on 691 00:33:21,280 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 1: a topic related to work in life and people, our 692 00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: general age of building careers, raising families, things that might 693 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: be of interest to us. And then we have monthly 694 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:36,880 Speaker 1: Zoom meetups. We get to chat about these topics in 695 00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 1: a more interactive way. And it's just been so much 696 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,920 Speaker 1: fun to meet listeners and some of whom have come 697 00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:46,120 Speaker 1: to Best Laid Plans Live, but not everyone, and so 698 00:33:46,160 --> 00:33:47,720 Speaker 1: we get to meet other people as well. 699 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,280 Speaker 2: Yes, and it's always fun when the other direction happens 700 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:51,920 Speaker 2: when you know someone from Patreon and then you're like, 701 00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 2: oh my god, you're real and you meet them. 702 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:56,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, So encourage people to check that out. We'd love 703 00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,080 Speaker 1: to have more folks join us over the next year. Well, 704 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 1: this has been Best of Both Worlds. We have been 705 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:06,720 Speaker 1: talking Best Laid Plans Live, how it worked, and how 706 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,640 Speaker 1: you might diy your own version of this, but we 707 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,800 Speaker 1: will most likely be doing a end of twenty twenty 708 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,799 Speaker 1: six Best Laid Plans Live Planning twenty twenty seven. If 709 00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,279 Speaker 1: you want to think about that. Put that on your 710 00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,320 Speaker 1: radar for the next year. We'll probably announce this signups 711 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,000 Speaker 1: in March, so stay tuned. 712 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 2: For that if you want to save the dates, probably 713 00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:27,640 Speaker 2: November fifth through seventh. 714 00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, well, this has been best of both worlds. 715 00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,239 Speaker 1: We'll be back next week with more on making work 716 00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 1: and life fit together. 717 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 2: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 718 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 2: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 719 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:43,600 Speaker 2: and you can. 720 00:34:43,480 --> 00:34:47,719 Speaker 1: Find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. This has 721 00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: been the best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please join us 722 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,480 Speaker 1: next time for more on making work and life work together.