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Speaker 1: Hey, what's up everybody.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jamel Hill and welcome to politics and iHeart podcasts

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Speaker 2: and unbothered production.

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Speaker 1: Time to get spolitical.

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Speaker 2: At this point, Donald Trump is making it pretty easy

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Speaker 2: to discuss the relationship between sports and politics. In the

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Speaker 2: last week alone, there have been reports that Donald Trump

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Speaker 2: will sign an executive order that will govern name, image

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Speaker 2: and likeness, otherwise known as NIL. And then Trump took

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Speaker 2: the truth social ordering the Washington Commanders and the Cleveland

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Speaker 2: going so far as to threaten to hold up Washington's

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Speaker 2: new stadium deal if they don't obey his command. That

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Speaker 2: man doing everything but releasing them Epstein files. Now, most

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Speaker 2: experts believe Trump's nil executive order would be largely unenforceable,

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Speaker 2: like so many of his executive orders, but his willingness

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Speaker 2: to issue the order indicates that Trump has some sinsmpathy

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Speaker 2: for the NCAA, a sentiment that is undoubtedly guided by

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Speaker 2: his relationship with Senator Tommy Temperville and former coach Nick Saban.

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Speaker 2: Remember all those athletes doing the Trump dance? Yeah, fun times.

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Speaker 2: The NCAA spent a half a million dollars in the

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Speaker 2: first quarter of this year lobbying Congress. They desperately want

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Speaker 2: an anti trust exemption because then they wouldn't be subjected

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Speaker 2: to the same laws that prevent monopolies and promote fair competition.

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Speaker 2: College sports doesn't want a free market because then they'd

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Speaker 2: actually have to pay college athletes what there were. They

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Speaker 1: That they have to pay them.

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Speaker 2: The recent House Versus NCAA settlement is a victory for

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Speaker 2: college athletes, but it doesn't address what really needs to

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Speaker 2: be addressed. It compensates athletes who played in the last

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Speaker 2: decade for lost nil money, It allows the schools to

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Speaker 2: directly pay the players, and schools who opted into the

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Speaker 2: settlement can share roughly twenty one million with athletes across

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Speaker 2: all sports, but the bulk of it is expected to

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Speaker 1: It comes to sports. Everything is fair game with Trump.

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Speaker 2: And even though nobody was clamoring for Cleveland and Washington,

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Speaker 2: Trump is simply performing the hits for his base. According

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Speaker 2: to Trump, there are Native Americans who want that old

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Speaker 2: know the President can sometimes play fast and loose with

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Speaker 2: Trump probably hasn't talked to any Native Americans because they

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Speaker 3: We're still here.

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Speaker 4: Find out what it really means. It's an English word.

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Speaker 4: It's in your English dictionary.

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Speaker 2: Most of you sure look at go look it up.

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Speaker 5: So what this is is that's finally standing up. It's

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Speaker 5: We're not talking about the football game. We're not talking

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Speaker 4: That's not what we're after.

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Speaker 2: Perhaps he's never had a conversation with Beth Margaret Wright

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Speaker 6: Native mascots harm Native children, distorted imitations of our culture,

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Speaker 6: of Native people. There are, of course, exceptions. A Native

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Speaker 2: There are some on the right point out that President

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Speaker 2: There were definitely some who didn't want to see Washington

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Speaker 1: I'm Jamel Hill and I approved this message my guest today.

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Speaker 2: Epitomizes turning nothing into something, though it wasn't completely nothing.

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Speaker 2: It started with his never ending passion for football. After

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Speaker 2: Is featured in a Hulu documentary that is available to

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Speaker 2: stream now, but on this episode, I'm going to dive

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Speaker 2: much for joining me on this episode of Politics. I'm

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Speaker 2: going to start our conversation by asking you something I

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Speaker 4: My moment or my athlete is Warren Moon, right, and

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Speaker 4: it is actually when Warren Moon lost in this game,

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Speaker 4: But just watching the black guy go through that. After

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Speaker 2: It's like, is that kind of where that love and

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Speaker 4: This is literally all I've ever done. See my dad

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Speaker 4: I think that a lot of the things that I

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Speaker 4: Resilience, Like you got to be a resilient dude, because

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Speaker 2: So what made you feel like do you wanted to

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Speaker 2: in the dock and also like his presence of the

436
00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:51,800
Speaker 2: doc overall your relationship is now. That was really a

437
00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:57,240
Speaker 2: wonderful layer to add to this. But going back to

438
00:22:57,760 --> 00:23:00,600
Speaker 2: you know, kind of how you all, you know relationship

439
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:03,040
Speaker 2: has been at the time when he left you in

440
00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 2: that hotel room, how aware of you were, How aware

441
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:10,919
Speaker 2: were you that he was struggling, you know, with substance abuse.

442
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 4: I was really aware because the year before when he

443
00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:19,320
Speaker 4: was coaching with Tampa Bay Buccaneers and he missed, he

444
00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:22,239
Speaker 4: missed a game. This is a you never see this.

445
00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:26,520
Speaker 4: I'm literally laying in bed across the ESPN tickets. My

446
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:30,560
Speaker 4: dad is missing. I'm like, what's going on? And I

447
00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 4: asked my mom, and I think my mom had an idea,

448
00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 4: but she wasn't with my dad at that point. He

449
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 4: had got remarried, called my step mom. She's like she

450
00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,680
Speaker 4: explained to her exactly what it was, so I knew

451
00:23:40,720 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 4: at that point. And then I had a long conversation

452
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 4: with my dad before I went on this trip with

453
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:47,439
Speaker 4: him where we were going to get started on this

454
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:51,000
Speaker 4: quarterback journey, and he told me like, hey, I'm it's

455
00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,280
Speaker 4: all better now, like I got you. And to see

456
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 4: him lose his job in that way, which was tough

457
00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,280
Speaker 4: because I knew that's all he wanted to do, Like

458
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,679
Speaker 4: he really wanted to be an NFL coach and he

459
00:24:02,720 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 4: had been a college head coach and all these different things.

460
00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,600
Speaker 4: But to lose his job in that way and then

461
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 4: to do that to me, that's when I was like,

462
00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,760
Speaker 4: that was the hardest part of really all of.

463
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,160
Speaker 2: It now, healing from something like that. You know, as

464
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 2: you said, everybody goes through something. I think there it's

465
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,640
Speaker 2: safe to say there's a significant number of black men

466
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,920
Speaker 2: who have had a father wound in various ways. So

467
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:32,080
Speaker 2: what did the path toward healing your relationship with him

468
00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 2: look like?

469
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,919
Speaker 4: Probably, honestly, haven't done enough right. And I think that

470
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,600
Speaker 4: there's something that black men are really nervous about doing,

471
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:41,800
Speaker 4: like really doing self work in that way, like really

472
00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:44,280
Speaker 4: diving in to why they feel the way that they

473
00:24:44,280 --> 00:24:48,359
Speaker 4: feel about things. I'm like scared of therapy, Like I

474
00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,159
Speaker 4: don't even want to go into all the things that

475
00:24:51,240 --> 00:24:53,840
Speaker 4: I really went through in order to like be better.

476
00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:57,320
Speaker 4: So in terms of like healing, and I think that

477
00:24:57,359 --> 00:24:59,880
Speaker 4: people can see, like my relationship with my dad's better now.

478
00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:04,520
Speaker 4: It's not perfect, but it's better. I just had to realize,

479
00:25:04,600 --> 00:25:06,680
Speaker 4: like that's just who he is and those are things

480
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,200
Speaker 4: that he went through. And I'm gonna make some mistakes.

481
00:25:09,240 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: I hope they're not to that level. But I hope

482
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 4: that my daughter will be able to forgive me when

483
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:16,560
Speaker 4: I do make a mistake, whatever that mistake looks like,

484
00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,440
Speaker 4: so that we can move forward. And I'm gonna just

485
00:25:18,480 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: try my best to do that.

486
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:23,480
Speaker 2: So with that being said, do you feel like have

487
00:25:23,520 --> 00:25:28,160
Speaker 2: you Do you feel like you've you've forgiven him?

488
00:25:28,280 --> 00:25:31,040
Speaker 4: I'm really bad with forgiving people, so I'll say I try,

489
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:34,080
Speaker 4: but yeah, I try to the best of my ability,

490
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:37,159
Speaker 4: But yeah, I don't know if I can say like

491
00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:39,200
Speaker 4: I've completely forgiven him. I don't know if I've forgiven

492
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,639
Speaker 4: anybody really ever like that in that hotel that probably

493
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:46,960
Speaker 4: changed me like for life in that way. And until

494
00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 4: I do the things that are necessary to really become

495
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:53,120
Speaker 4: a better person or work on myself in that way,

496
00:25:53,119 --> 00:25:54,440
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'll be able to do that.

497
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:55,879
Speaker 1: What scares you about therapy?

498
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:02,000
Speaker 4: Who is all the trauma? And I think that you

499
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 4: have to go through those things. You really have to

500
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,040
Speaker 4: see those things. And I try and work with myself

501
00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 4: like I talk about those things in myself, but being

502
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 4: really vulnerable with other people that's hard and them knowing

503
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,399
Speaker 4: all the scars and yeah they're not they may not

504
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: judge you because they're professional, but still things you got

505
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 4: to go through and really like verbalize in a way

506
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:23,879
Speaker 4: that I'm not sure if I'm ready for right now.

507
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: So when you saw this doc, and particularly when it

508
00:26:28,160 --> 00:26:33,880
Speaker 2: comes to addressing your father's relationship, how did how did

509
00:26:33,920 --> 00:26:35,000
Speaker 2: your father receive it?

510
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,639
Speaker 4: Me and him had a long talk about it, and

511
00:26:41,240 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 4: a lot of his friends called him disappointed or upset

512
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,800
Speaker 4: or frustrated that I would put that in the dock.

513
00:26:48,800 --> 00:26:52,119
Speaker 4: But I think that he knows that like that was well,

514
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,000
Speaker 4: he knows better now than he did before that that

515
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 4: was something that truly changed me and was pivotal, and

516
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 4: that was a story that was probably important for me

517
00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,359
Speaker 4: to tell in order for us to move through it,

518
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:05,160
Speaker 4: because I think that I understand like how his friends

519
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:06,880
Speaker 4: or other people may feel in that way, Like why

520
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:08,240
Speaker 4: does he have to bring that up in a story

521
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 4: about him that that is about me? So it was.

522
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,760
Speaker 4: We've had a long lot of talks about it, about

523
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:17,480
Speaker 4: how he felt, and I think that we've that was

524
00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: the most like in depth talk we've had about that.

525
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:22,639
Speaker 4: And she was at fifteen years twenty or something like that.

526
00:27:22,640 --> 00:27:23,440
Speaker 4: It's been a long time.

527
00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: So how did your relationship with your dad? How did that?

528
00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 1: How does that inform you as a father?

529
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 4: You learned a lot of things that you really want

530
00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:39,119
Speaker 4: to do and things that he did really well, but

531
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 4: then you see the gaps that he had, and you hope, man,

532
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,439
Speaker 4: it's not a mistake I'm going to make. So I

533
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 4: got to I got a big book on the things

534
00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:48,359
Speaker 4: that he did really well that I want to I

535
00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,000
Speaker 4: want to make sure I hold on to and I'm

536
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,199
Speaker 4: able to do those things with my daughter and a

537
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:54,600
Speaker 4: lot of things that I saw him do in a

538
00:27:54,600 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 4: way that I would not want to do those things

539
00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,879
Speaker 4: in order to fix it, And I think kind of

540
00:28:00,000 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 4: we all do that right. We all have that relationship

541
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:05,040
Speaker 4: with our parents where we can learn really cool things

542
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,680
Speaker 4: from but we can also learn what do we wanted differently.

543
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,880
Speaker 2: Listen, my mother tells me all the time that her

544
00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 2: job is to teach me what to do and what

545
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:17,479
Speaker 2: not to do. So I wholeheartedly agree with you that

546
00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: it works in both ways. That pendulum swings swings in

547
00:28:20,320 --> 00:28:21,200
Speaker 2: both directions, what.

548
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:22,280
Speaker 1: To do what not to do?

549
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 2: You know, being given how you were able to get

550
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 2: yours out the mud, so to speak, how does that

551
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 2: you know? You talked about how it informs you as

552
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 2: as a father, but how does that inform you as

553
00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:36,119
Speaker 2: a coach?

554
00:28:40,280 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 4: I think that it provides a perspective, especially when guys

555
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: are going to like position battles or situations where they're

556
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:48,080
Speaker 4: not so happy about the exact position that they're in.

557
00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 4: I get to provide a perspective of someone who was

558
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 4: not in a position that they wanted to be in

559
00:28:53,040 --> 00:28:57,560
Speaker 4: for over a thousand nights. It's really easy to do

560
00:28:57,600 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 4: things the right way when things are breaking in It

561
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:06,560
Speaker 4: takes a special level of resolve when for seven months

562
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 4: straight you've got up in the water and reached out

563
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:12,400
Speaker 4: the kids hoping that they would respond in order to

564
00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,720
Speaker 4: come to a quarterback session with you and no one does,

565
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 4: and then get up in the next one and do

566
00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:21,280
Speaker 4: it again. And that's that's the backup quarterbacks life. I

567
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 4: got to go out there and practice as hard as

568
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 4: I can, and then I go out there on Sunday

569
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 4: and I don't get to play. It takes you got

570
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: to be a special person and get back up and

571
00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 4: do that same thing over and over and over again,

572
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,280
Speaker 4: because you don't know when your opportunities are gonna break,

573
00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,120
Speaker 4: and when that opportunity happens, you were gonna look at

574
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,160
Speaker 4: yourself in a way that's crazy if you weren't prepared

575
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 4: for that moment or you didn't do the work in

576
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,600
Speaker 4: order to be prepared when you got that opportunity. And

577
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 4: I never want to be like that. And that is

578
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: something that I messaged to my guys all of the time, like,

579
00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 4: if we don't do the work now when this moment happens,

580
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:55,000
Speaker 4: we are not gonna be ready.

581
00:29:55,240 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, your experience and how you wound up being at

582
00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: UCLA was not the first time you just picked it

583
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: up up and decided, you know what, I'm gonna go

584
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:05,640
Speaker 2: over here and just start this new thing. The whole

585
00:30:05,680 --> 00:30:09,240
Speaker 2: reason why your institute, I guess maybe that's that's what

586
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 2: to put it.

587
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: QB takeover happened was because.

588
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:14,400
Speaker 2: You just picked up and moved it, Lana and was like, Hey,

589
00:30:14,440 --> 00:30:16,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go out here, and just you know, what

590
00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:20,760
Speaker 2: is it about your personality that keeps doing these things?

591
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 4: I am? I'm probably I got a rational confidence, honestly,

592
00:30:26,720 --> 00:30:29,239
Speaker 4: like I have a big dream and I'm like, I'm

593
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 4: gonna do it, and there's literally nothing that's gonna prevent

594
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,200
Speaker 4: me from doing the thing that I said that I'm

595
00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 4: gonna do whatever that looks like like I'm gonna figure

596
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 4: it out because I don't know. I think if you

597
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 4: work hard enough and you keep like chipping at a stone,

598
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 4: eventually it looks just how you want it, if you're

599
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: committed enough to the task and you really want to

600
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:52,800
Speaker 4: do that. And I saw my mom do something very

601
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 4: similar and how she got hurt. She was a flight

602
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 4: attendant and she had three kids and like this isn't

603
00:30:58,600 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 4: gonna work, Like how do I make some money? So

604
00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 4: she went to an interview and it was only for

605
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:05,920
Speaker 4: people with college educations and she didn't have that. They're like, hey,

606
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: if you don't have a college education. Just leave. She

607
00:31:08,160 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 4: didn't leave, she just stuck around and she figured out

608
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: how to get that job. And hearing that story about

609
00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 4: your mother, especially at a time in the eighties when

610
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,160
Speaker 4: black women in executive roles weren't a thing in her

611
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:25,240
Speaker 4: to do this un uneducated, formerly in the college sense,

612
00:31:26,120 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: I'm like, and she could do that, I could do anything.

613
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,120
Speaker 4: And that put a battery in my back.

614
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: So you could have gone the traditional coaching path. So

615
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: why didn't you elect to do that?

616
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 4: Yeah? I was actually about to get promoted before I quit.

617
00:31:41,680 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 4: So I went from about to make six figures to

618
00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: staying homeless, which is a wild decision. But I had

619
00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 4: a meeting with like an associate ad and I'm like, hey,

620
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 4: we got all these guys on our college team. So

621
00:31:56,760 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 4: many of them are not going to be NFL players.

622
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 4: I think that it's our responsibilit to get these young

623
00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,240
Speaker 4: men ready for life, Like let's get them a suit

624
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,239
Speaker 4: so when they get done here they're good, Like they

625
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 4: can at least have something to go interview in. We

626
00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 4: take care of him. He's like, Hey, I think that's

627
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 4: a great idea, but we're our focus is winning football

628
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 4: games right now, Like we got to do that first,

629
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 4: and I'm like, damn, like you guys care more about

630
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: like winning games than preparing a bunch of young men

631
00:32:25,200 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 4: for life. And that's not something I as a young

632
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,720
Speaker 4: black man who went to an HBCU and actually I

633
00:32:31,920 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 4: had coaches who care about me because we weren't what's

634
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: the national championship of Morals College, but they cared about us.

635
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 4: You want to be successful people, and that's not what

636
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 4: the goal was there. It was just winning games. And

637
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 4: that's not who I am, right. I want to help

638
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,480
Speaker 4: people win in life. I want to help people out

639
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,600
Speaker 4: win times to get difficult, and I was like, I'm

640
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: gonna do something different. I'm going to go work with

641
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:54,880
Speaker 4: people who are going to shape society, who can change

642
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: the world, who can do all of And it's so

643
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 4: cool see someone like Jalen Hurts, like you get to

644
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 4: see him do that right now, the way that he

645
00:33:02,200 --> 00:33:05,959
Speaker 4: invested in his community, invest in people. So I'm just

646
00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,480
Speaker 4: thankful for I'm thankful for that moment, for him to

647
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: say that and for me to realize, like, my mission

648
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 4: is bigger than this.

649
00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 1: So were you all?

650
00:33:16,520 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 2: Were you at all reluctant to once again kind of

651
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 2: start from Brock from scratch.

652
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:27,520
Speaker 4: No, No, not at all. I wouldn't no, because I

653
00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:31,480
Speaker 4: saw it's crazy. I think that. I think like a

654
00:33:31,520 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 4: business person. I saw opportunity, right because when people send

655
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 4: their film, and I watched every single high school kids

656
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 4: table send one in who play quarterback. I saw all

657
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 4: these talented kids from Georgia were bad technique. I'm like,

658
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: there's an opportunity here, Like I could figure something out.

659
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 4: I know this, And I watched our head coach who

660
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 4: has a training son. I'm like, if this is what

661
00:33:51,240 --> 00:33:53,240
Speaker 4: a college head coach is doing in order to make

662
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:56,040
Speaker 4: his son better, he obviously think this is the best practice.

663
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 4: I know I could do this, and I think I

664
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 4: can do it better. So that moment a light bulb

665
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,680
Speaker 4: switch hit and it's like, yo, I'm gonna go to

666
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 4: Atlanta and I'm gonna turn this into something crazy, and

667
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 4: I think that I've done that.

668
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: You obviously go through this in the in the doc

669
00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:16,480
Speaker 2: but for the sake of those who are listening now

670
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Speaker 2: and without trying to get way too much that's already

671
00:34:18,600 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: in the documentary is so walk me through you landing

672
00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 2: your first client with TV OFF.

673
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:30,640
Speaker 4: I know who it was, Okay, So I haven't messaging

674
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 4: people for over a year, just trying to get a client,

675
00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 4: and no one responded. I'm like, this is not working.

676
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 4: I need to figure out what.

677
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,719
Speaker 1: Are you saying in the message When you were sending it?

678
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: I would so I had my UCLA polo one all this,

679
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,279
Speaker 4: so I looked like I was trying to look like

680
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 4: a college coach. But hey, just want to Hey want

681
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,320
Speaker 4: to reach out just like Ucla. I'm now training quarterbacks

682
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 4: privately in the Atlanta area. I would love to give

683
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,959
Speaker 4: you an opportunity come train for free. I wasn't asking

684
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: for you much. I just want an opportunity. I did

685
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 4: that for a year straight and I've got I mean

686
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,160
Speaker 4: I remember every single day Facebook will block me. Hey,

687
00:35:07,200 --> 00:35:08,880
Speaker 4: you've sent enough messages for it, like you got you?

688
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:12,279
Speaker 4: So I did that. It wasn't working. So I'm like,

689
00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 4: all right, I gotta figure out something new. So I

690
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,719
Speaker 4: go to this facility. It's the middle of January. I'm like, hey,

691
00:35:19,760 --> 00:35:22,200
Speaker 4: I need this to throw this quarterback camp. He's like,

692
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 4: you can't pay to rent it out. I'm like, no,

693
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:26,400
Speaker 4: I can't, but I need it. He's like, all right,

694
00:35:26,400 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 4: I'll let you do it. At five thirty in the morning.

695
00:35:28,560 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 4: So I come up with these flyers. Fancy event. I

696
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 4: send messages to all the quarterbacks, send flyers to their

697
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 4: or send this like pamphlet to their head coach, and

698
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:44,880
Speaker 4: no one responds. But that Monday, Josh Dobbs hits me

699
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:49,440
Speaker 4: up and he's an underrecruited kid not really getting they

700
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 4: looks just trying to like hoping to get a scholarship.

701
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 4: We go out there for a session and we worked

702
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: for like two hours and it went well. I thought

703
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,479
Speaker 4: it went really well, and he was like all right.

704
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: His mom was like, we'll talk to you. I just

705
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,800
Speaker 4: need to see how it went and we'll figure something out.

706
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 4: They get home, they called me. His mom's like, all right,

707
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:10,000
Speaker 4: we want to work out every day. And we did

708
00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:14,959
Speaker 4: that five days a week for a basically a year.

709
00:36:15,400 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 4: He ends up getting a scholarship college scholarship to Boston

710
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 4: College and Tennessee. Then goes to Lead eleven. And that

711
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 4: moment him going to the Lead eleven literally changed my life.

712
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 4: Like that was the moment, and it was I'm sure

713
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 4: it's a big moment fan, but it was equally as

714
00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:36,400
Speaker 4: big for me. It literally gave me a platform to

715
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Speaker 4: do all the things that I'm doing today and.

716
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Speaker 2: It lead eleven of course being kind of the pre

717
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: eminent quarterback.

718
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:45,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, for prospects.

719
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: So I mean, what did it feel like for you

720
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 2: to see him, to see the work that you put in,

721
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:56,680
Speaker 2: the work you guys did together, and then see the

722
00:36:56,680 --> 00:36:58,760
Speaker 2: progression then for him to go on to the NFL?

723
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Speaker 1: What does that mean to you?

724
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,920
Speaker 4: I wish I could actually put into words like how

725
00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 4: proud you could be of somebody, because Josh Dobbs is

726
00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,400
Speaker 4: a really good football player, but he's not where he

727
00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 4: is today just off natural talent. He's where he is

728
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 4: today because he was dedicated about working very very hard

729
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 4: and doing everything it took to be successful. And we

730
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,759
Speaker 4: went on that journey together. And I'm literally flying in

731
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 4: from Josh Dobbs' house last night, like I flew in

732
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,280
Speaker 4: the Florida from his house, and it's because we spent

733
00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 4: all those hours together and we've built this relationship and

734
00:37:34,680 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 4: seeing him do everything that he dreamed of and him

735
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 4: just saying thing like you, I wouldn't have been able

736
00:37:40,400 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 4: to do without you. Those things I would really like

737
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:46,280
Speaker 4: those are the moments that you get really excited about.

738
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:50,959
Speaker 4: Because his family's doing well for themselves but he's still

739
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:53,600
Speaker 4: been able to change his life. His life looks nothing

740
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:55,759
Speaker 4: like it would have looked if we want to spend

741
00:37:55,800 --> 00:37:59,160
Speaker 4: all those hours on a little middle school football field

742
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 4: trying to do all the things that we did for

743
00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:05,279
Speaker 4: him to get where he's at today. So as much

744
00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 4: as like I hope that I changed his life, he

745
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:10,920
Speaker 4: changed my mind. And it's seeing him live out his

746
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: dream is literally what I live for.

747
00:38:13,560 --> 00:38:16,680
Speaker 2: And Joshua, but I'm mistaken. It needs an actual like

748
00:38:16,960 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 2: kind of like a rocket scientist.

749
00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 4: Aerope, all that was literally intellect like, he flies his

750
00:38:27,800 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 4: own planes. He's he's a special human being.

751
00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 2: Listen, he was gonna be successful no matter what it

752
00:38:35,320 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 2: seemed like.

753
00:38:36,480 --> 00:38:37,359
Speaker 4: He's gonna figure it out.

754
00:38:37,640 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 2: He was definitely gonna figure out. Okay, well, there's some

755
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 2: other guys that are under your umbrella. You coached the

756
00:38:43,120 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 2: guys that I want to ask you about. But before

757
00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 2: we get to that and asking you about your foundation,

758
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,919
Speaker 2: just going to take a quick break and we will

759
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 2: be back with more with Quincy Avery.

760
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Speaker 1: We were talking about josh Das before the break.

761
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,400
Speaker 2: You have coached hundreds and hundreds of guys, and I

762
00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: think people have this assumption that when it comes to

763
00:39:10,680 --> 00:39:13,960
Speaker 2: professional athletes that it's easy to get in their sphere

764
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 2: of influence. It is not easy, not from what I

765
00:39:16,840 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 2: have been able to witness in my multi decade career

766
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 2: as a sports journalist. So how is it that, Well,

767
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: what do you think has been the key for you

768
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,120
Speaker 2: being able to gain their trust?

769
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Speaker 4: Fortunately, I get to I meet so many of these

770
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 4: guys when they're young, ninth tenth grade, and I've helped

771
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 4: them go through the really difficult moments. But the thing,

772
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 4: more than anything is that they know that I care

773
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:45,440
Speaker 4: about them as people. And if you really care about somebody,

774
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 4: I think it's so much easier to coach them and

775
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 4: for them to trust you. And it's like those just

776
00:39:51,640 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 4: different points of contact. I'm always reaching out to guys

777
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 4: me in my hotel room right now, I've reached out

778
00:39:57,120 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 4: to fifty eys just checking on them, make sure they're

779
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 4: doing well. And it's not just because it's work, It's

780
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 4: because I want to see them be successful. And it's

781
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 4: as many guys as we see who play professional football

782
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 4: right now who I care about. There's guys who are

783
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:13,839
Speaker 4: now coaching football or in scouting departments. Who's to train

784
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,440
Speaker 4: for me? And we still have that same relationship, so

785
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 4: they know that it's authentic, and that is what has

786
00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 4: allowed me to go so far because those conversations that

787
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 4: we have, those those keep carrying all like they're gonna

788
00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 4: let me know. Like, man, when I went through this

789
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 4: que kind of you know what I'm saying, he helped

790
00:40:30,719 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 4: talk me through it, or he was there for me

791
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 4: and even talk about just a little bit about like Deshaun,

792
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,200
Speaker 4: like when he was going through what he was going through,

793
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 4: what happened whatever, that was the first person in his

794
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 4: house was me. When Deshaun towards ACL in Houston, the

795
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 4: first person at the hospital was me when he towards Achilles.

796
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: I'm at the facility that day because I wanted to

797
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:55,239
Speaker 4: check on him because knew he didn't look right. Like

798
00:40:55,239 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 4: There's all these different moments where I'm just there for

799
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:58,920
Speaker 4: my guys no matter what's going on. I'm going to

800
00:40:59,000 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 4: be there because I care about out there as people

801
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 4: who they are. And that's what I think separates me

802
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:07,320
Speaker 4: and has allowed me to go in so many different

803
00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 4: rooms and be accepted. I'm authentic and I care.

804
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 2: But you know, I mean, because you work with guys

805
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:18,919
Speaker 2: at every level, I'm sure you're aware of the conversations

806
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:22,359
Speaker 2: because you work with them young, right, So there are

807
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,120
Speaker 2: a lot of people who look at the type of

808
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 2: industry that you're in, and there's been a lot of

809
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 2: conversation about where they or not young people if they're

810
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 2: specializing too early, like why are they paying these coaches

811
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 2: specialized coaches you know, like yourself to frame them, and

812
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,560
Speaker 2: people wondering about whether or not that really adds any benefit.

813
00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: Like what do you say to some people who sort

814
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: of criticize this movement of young people in listening specialized

815
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:52,279
Speaker 2: training in order to get better at at sports.

816
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:55,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, well I would agree with them that kids, young

817
00:41:55,239 --> 00:41:57,120
Speaker 4: men shouldn't just play one sports. So I would be

818
00:41:57,160 --> 00:41:59,680
Speaker 4: all on board with that and not make sure. I

819
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 4: try to best to make sure guys aren't doing that.

820
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,279
Speaker 4: But they're gonna do what they want because they have

821
00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:06,879
Speaker 4: their own ideas. But if someone would were to say

822
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: that about why are you working with this Quincy guy,

823
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 4: I would just point at the track record and it's

824
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:15,319
Speaker 4: not I'm not getting guys just at the end of

825
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 4: the tale, like when they already have made it. I mean,

826
00:42:18,719 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 4: these guys eighth, ninth, seventh grade, when they're just trying

827
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 4: to figure it out. I've helped kids, like We've had

828
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:29,359
Speaker 4: over five hundred million dollars scholarships that I've helped kids earn.

829
00:42:29,560 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 4: So I'll be like, the proof is in the pudding.

830
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 4: I'm not. I don't know. The things that I teach

831
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:37,680
Speaker 4: are not opinion based. They're science based, and I think

832
00:42:37,760 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 4: that has allowed me to be the best in the

833
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: world of what I do. When I go to an

834
00:42:41,160 --> 00:42:44,000
Speaker 4: NFL facility, they want me to present to them about

835
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,160
Speaker 4: how I'm training because I'm really good at my job.

836
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 4: And if you want to question that, I would be

837
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 4: willing to sit down with you and go over every

838
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 4: single thing I do and listen to any argument. And

839
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: I think that I'm able to do that because I

840
00:42:57,160 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 4: truly know this at the highest level and it's and

841
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 4: I think that people oftentimes see me as just a

842
00:43:02,680 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 4: black man who does this because he thinks he's cool

843
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,760
Speaker 4: or it's cool with the kids, or dresses like or whatever.

844
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:11,520
Speaker 4: But when we start talking about the science or the data,

845
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 4: I'm ready to go toe for toe to toe with

846
00:43:14,920 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: anybody because I do the work.

847
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 2: Nevertheless, as you notice, I'm sure in the NFL that

848
00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 2: now you know, the gold post is always moving when

849
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:27,200
Speaker 2: it comes to black coaches and their success. At first

850
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,560
Speaker 2: it was okay, you got to be a coordinator and

851
00:43:29,640 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 2: in order to be promoted to the position of head coach.

852
00:43:32,920 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 2: Then because of the way the league is, there's a

853
00:43:35,840 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: lot of emphasis on offense, a lot of emphasis on

854
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,239
Speaker 2: who can work with quarterbacks.

855
00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 1: You look around the NFL and a lot of the

856
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:47,160
Speaker 1: QB coaches are not black. From your perspective, like, what are.

857
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:50,720
Speaker 2: Still some of the barriers of entrigue that remained for

858
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:53,360
Speaker 2: black coaches when it comes to offense, because it's not

859
00:43:53,400 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 2: just QB coach but offensive coordinator. But like, why do

860
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 2: we rarely hear about guys like you who are the

861
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 2: QB whisper or the QB genius because I know the

862
00:44:03,239 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 2: other dudes like the Tom Houses and that. Why does

863
00:44:06,719 --> 00:44:10,360
Speaker 2: it seem like there's a barrier of entrigue for black

864
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: folks when it comes to doing what you do?

865
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Speaker 4: Because so many the people get to talk about the

866
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,160
Speaker 4: position of the things that we do our white folks,

867
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,880
Speaker 4: and they're gonna same way that a quarterback room is collected,

868
00:44:22,920 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 4: like the people who they have shared experiences, who they

869
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 4: feel comfortable talking to, who they can chum it up

870
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:30,400
Speaker 4: with those folks are white, right, all the people I

871
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 4: like those major talk shows every day they talk about

872
00:44:33,200 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 4: this white quarterback trainer every single day. So that's who

873
00:44:36,000 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 4: people like put on a pedestal. It's not because of

874
00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:41,960
Speaker 4: the things that they're doing. I train more quarterbacks NFL

875
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,719
Speaker 4: quarterbacks of anybody in the world, and I get called

876
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 4: less by these shows than anybody else. And so it's

877
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:52,040
Speaker 4: not about the work that you're doing. It's about who

878
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 4: people relate to. And I would rather relate to people

879
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 4: who look like you and I. You know what I'm saying, Like,

880
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 4: that's who I relate to. But we don't often times

881
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,239
Speaker 4: get the ability to have a talk show that's every

882
00:45:03,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: single day, right, So that's why I think that we

883
00:45:06,680 --> 00:45:09,839
Speaker 4: don't get enough of the credit. And there's only six

884
00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:13,279
Speaker 4: or seven black quarterback coaches in the NFL, and that's

885
00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:16,719
Speaker 4: a different kind of coaching than what I do. But oftentimes,

886
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,440
Speaker 4: like you know, just go coach receivers, or just go

887
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:21,520
Speaker 4: do this, or go coach running backs, go do something

888
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 4: simple because we weren't given the opportunities. A lot of

889
00:45:25,120 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 4: the guys who see now coaching are guys who weren't

890
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 4: given the opportunities of like quarterback early on, and I'm

891
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:33,399
Speaker 4: looking forward to that changing, right because there's a lot

892
00:45:33,400 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 4: of young black quarterbacks in the NFL. Now we're going

893
00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 4: to get these opportunities because people are going to know

894
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 4: they know what they're talking about.

895
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:43,080
Speaker 2: So at this point, giving your success rate, I mean,

896
00:45:43,440 --> 00:45:48,040
Speaker 2: has I imagine people have reached out about you you coaching, right,

897
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,000
Speaker 2: like coaching for a team or that kind of thing.

898
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:55,239
Speaker 2: So you know, have you come close to maybe going

899
00:45:55,280 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: the quote traditional path.

900
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I almost took a college job a couple of

901
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 4: years ago, quarterback job, but I'm like, no, I don't

902
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 4: want to do that. I want so if I do coach,

903
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,200
Speaker 4: it will be in the NFL. And I've worked with

904
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:11,960
Speaker 4: NFL teams and like consulting roles, not necessarily as a

905
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,560
Speaker 4: quarterback coach, but it's a big sacrifice. The amount of

906
00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 4: time that you're putting in is extensive, and I would

907
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 4: It's something I'm thinking about. I've had a lot of

908
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 4: talks with a lot of folks. Tony Dungee is someone

909
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 4: who really supports me, especially after the things that he

910
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 4: saw before. But he supports me in a real way

911
00:46:29,640 --> 00:46:31,840
Speaker 4: and he's like, you need to need to coach like

912
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 4: I want you to do that because he feels like

913
00:46:34,080 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 4: I'll be really good. I know that I would. It's

914
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: just making sure that the moment is right when I

915
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 4: do decide to do it.

916
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:46,439
Speaker 2: Now again, you have an extensive resume of guys, and

917
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 2: one of your players was Jalen Hurts, who is coming

918
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:54,120
Speaker 2: off a fantastic season, won a Super Bowl.

919
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: What do you think you helped Jalen Hurts unlock?

920
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:04,160
Speaker 4: It's kind of like nerdy technical stuff, But so when

921
00:47:04,160 --> 00:47:07,880
Speaker 4: he was at Oklahoma and Alabama, I'm been trying to

922
00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:10,440
Speaker 4: like he was a very linear thrower, which meant it

923
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,680
Speaker 4: was like towards the target really up and down does

924
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:17,359
Speaker 4: not allow you a whole lot of air, right, So

925
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:19,840
Speaker 4: I just helped him become more of a rotational quarterback,

926
00:47:20,160 --> 00:47:22,960
Speaker 4: start putting for the ground and being able to throw around,

927
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 4: which provides you a lot more degrees of air, which

928
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,359
Speaker 4: he's gonna make you more successful. It's not about your

929
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,799
Speaker 4: best of the best. That was always gonna be really good,

930
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,759
Speaker 4: but his misses are smaller, and I think that's what

931
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 4: was a thing that helped out the most. And I

932
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 4: think that you get to see some of the fruits

933
00:47:39,520 --> 00:47:41,520
Speaker 4: of a lot of the work that was put in

934
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 4: years ago.

935
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:47,719
Speaker 2: Today when you look at and not just him, but

936
00:47:47,760 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 2: like say somebody like c. J. Stroud, who took everybody

937
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:54,160
Speaker 2: by surprise because of the type of rookie year that

938
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:57,959
Speaker 2: he had. I think, you know, it's fair to say,

939
00:47:58,280 --> 00:47:59,880
Speaker 2: maybe not him personally, but it was a little bit

940
00:47:59,920 --> 00:48:01,399
Speaker 2: of of a step back because I think the team

941
00:48:01,400 --> 00:48:03,880
Speaker 2: of it itself took a step back. So when guys

942
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 2: go through when there's a regression, be it as a

943
00:48:07,560 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 2: player or a team, how do you approach that?

944
00:48:11,000 --> 00:48:13,360
Speaker 4: Just look at the film. Let's go through all the

945
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 4: things that you did really well the year before, and

946
00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 4: you're going to go look at all the things that

947
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 4: we found ourselves struggling with, and we're going to see

948
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: what's the difference what caused this? And like you said,

949
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 4: it wasn't just him, It was a lot of team

950
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:28,279
Speaker 4: things and situationally that he found himself in there. We're

951
00:48:28,320 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 4: just more difficult than the year before, whether it's people

952
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 4: being injured or struggles with the personnel, so things like that.

953
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 4: But then we also got to look at ourselves. All right,

954
00:48:38,680 --> 00:48:40,319
Speaker 4: those things went on, but how do I do a

955
00:48:40,320 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 4: better job? How am I more prepared when those things

956
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 4: do happen, because we don't get to control if everybody

957
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 4: stays healthy or if our starting wide receivers it. What

958
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 4: we get to control is what we can control. So

959
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 4: how do we make ourselves the best versions of that

960
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 4: each and every week despite all the chaos that we

961
00:48:57,880 --> 00:48:58,560
Speaker 4: have to go through.

962
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 2: Even that you know you're you're also working with like

963
00:49:02,800 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 2: high school, you know, college athletes again every level. We've

964
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,000
Speaker 2: seen the impact that in il and the fact that

965
00:49:09,000 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 2: these guys are making a lot of money that that's

966
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: had on the game.

967
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:13,840
Speaker 1: There have been.

968
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: Coaches who have observed that they feel as if players

969
00:49:18,040 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 2: these days are more entitled and that harder to coach.

970
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,479
Speaker 2: What has been What have you observed from where you sit?

971
00:49:26,320 --> 00:49:28,759
Speaker 4: I mean it definitely, I mean having that amount of

972
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 4: money definitely changes it. But for me, it's stayed consistent.

973
00:49:32,320 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 4: The guys want to work and get better. And it

974
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 4: causing a question as these college coaches, were you coaching

975
00:49:38,640 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 4: based on fear? Was it just fear that we're going

976
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 4: to take away and that's the only tool that you had.

977
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 4: Did you really build a relationship with these young men

978
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 4: in order to help them achieve their goals? Or develop

979
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 4: because guys come to me ready to work, so I

980
00:49:52,880 --> 00:49:54,840
Speaker 4: know what they're doing that with me. Then you have

981
00:49:54,920 --> 00:49:58,759
Speaker 4: the opportunity with your team in order to challenge them

982
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:00,439
Speaker 4: in a way that's going to allow them who work

983
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:02,600
Speaker 4: just as hard. But you got to figure out what

984
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 4: they're they're motivated factor is. Now it's not just hey,

985
00:50:07,040 --> 00:50:09,480
Speaker 4: I can bench you. Oh yeah, I got a bunch

986
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 4: of I got more money than you. What are you

987
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:14,080
Speaker 4: gonna tell me? So they need to figure out how

988
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 4: do we I think it starts with care, Like how

989
00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,279
Speaker 4: do I care about these people? So they know that

990
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,200
Speaker 4: I care about them so I can challenge you. You

991
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:22,520
Speaker 4: can't yell at somebody if you haven't loved them up first.

992
00:50:23,000 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 4: It doesn't work. No one wants to hear that. It

993
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 4: only works because they know that you put in the

994
00:50:27,600 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 4: time to care about them and you want to see

995
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,120
Speaker 4: them be successful and you're hard on them in order

996
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:34,680
Speaker 4: to make them get to the place that they said

997
00:50:34,680 --> 00:50:35,239
Speaker 4: they want to go.

998
00:50:36,000 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 2: So when you decide to work with the quarterback, what's

999
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 2: important to you?

1000
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I've seen there's been some guys who I talk

1001
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 4: about specifically I just don't want to work with. But

1002
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:48,960
Speaker 4: it's it's really personality styles. And I think that all

1003
00:50:49,000 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 4: the guys who get the highest level work really hard.

1004
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:54,279
Speaker 4: But do we mesh Are you something that I want

1005
00:50:54,320 --> 00:50:57,799
Speaker 4: to care about? It's the biggest thing for me. Do

1006
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 4: I care how you're feeling? And if I feel like

1007
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:03,160
Speaker 4: it's just football, it's just transactional in that way. It

1008
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:05,400
Speaker 4: doesn't work like I got enough money, Like I'm not

1009
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,839
Speaker 4: in a position where I'm trying to go do things

1010
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:10,319
Speaker 4: for a couple of dollars. I want to be able

1011
00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 4: to work with people who I can help grow to

1012
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 4: get the things that they desire and we can do

1013
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:15,720
Speaker 4: that together.

1014
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,799
Speaker 2: Well, it seems like overall that the helping spirit is

1015
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 2: something that you were gifted with. You also have your

1016
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,759
Speaker 2: own foundation, So what can you tell me about that?

1017
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:30,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got the Avery Effect foundation. We see so

1018
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:35,839
Speaker 4: many people who are able to afford training services, all

1019
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:39,120
Speaker 4: these different things because they come from affluent families. And

1020
00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: I'm really trying to level the playing field no matter

1021
00:51:42,239 --> 00:51:45,439
Speaker 4: where you are financially, being able to help you earn

1022
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:48,560
Speaker 4: these same scholarships that the other kids are able to obtain.

1023
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:50,680
Speaker 4: And you see it a lot in basketball now, how

1024
00:51:50,680 --> 00:51:55,399
Speaker 4: many former players sons are able to get to. It's

1025
00:51:55,520 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 4: just because they have access to things that other kids

1026
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,239
Speaker 4: don't have access to. I would want it to be

1027
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:04,480
Speaker 4: a meritocracy where just the kids who are the best

1028
00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:07,880
Speaker 4: are able to get the furthest and I'm doing everything

1029
00:52:07,920 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 4: i can to bridge the gap and help guys get scholarships.

1030
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 4: So the Avery effect foundations where we do that, where

1031
00:52:13,719 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: people can donate and we can make sure that we're

1032
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:19,520
Speaker 4: reaching back and making sure we're helping these young men

1033
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 4: get the training and services they need so that they

1034
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 4: can get scholarships and they can support their family and

1035
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 4: give back to their communities in the same way that

1036
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 4: so many of our guys do today.

1037
00:52:29,520 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 2: So how do you handle the sometimes outsize expectations that

1038
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 2: parents can have about their kids athletic ability.

1039
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 4: I'm honest, Okay, I'm very honest, and I'm not gonna

1040
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,720
Speaker 4: make a kid who can't start on their middle school

1041
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:49,600
Speaker 4: team a college quarterback. That's not I feel like I'll

1042
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 4: tell people all the time, like, this is the level

1043
00:52:52,040 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: I think that your son can get to, and I'm

1044
00:52:53,840 --> 00:52:56,360
Speaker 4: gonna do everything I can help them get there. I

1045
00:52:56,400 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: had one my favorite story actually is a kid who

1046
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,600
Speaker 4: I told is like he's not good enough, your son

1047
00:53:02,680 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 4: cannot play football at high school level, told experience that

1048
00:53:07,000 --> 00:53:08,839
Speaker 4: they must have had a talk with him. Two weeks later,

1049
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 4: he comes back and now he's a starting college quarterback.

1050
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 4: And we still he just came to work out last week.

1051
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: And I think a lot of other people with sugarcoat

1052
00:53:18,680 --> 00:53:21,279
Speaker 4: things and me not having that conversation probably would have

1053
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 4: prevented him from reaching where he is today and earning

1054
00:53:24,920 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 4: this college scholarship. But being honest with folks gives them

1055
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 4: opportunities to make choices. I just want to go all

1056
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 4: the way in and really figure this thing out, or

1057
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 4: am I gonna take what this person said? And I

1058
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:39,560
Speaker 4: think that I'm gonna be honest and continue to do

1059
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:43,319
Speaker 4: that for forever, to limit those conversations from parents who

1060
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 4: are like, no, you need to make you need to

1061
00:53:45,239 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 4: make Johnny starters. Johnny's not a start because the DNA

1062
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,120
Speaker 4: you gave him, buddy.

1063
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:55,920
Speaker 2: All right, Quincy. I wrap every podcast with what I

1064
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 2: call a messy question. This is where you get you

1065
00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:00,840
Speaker 2: at some headlines. Maybe you in some trouble.

1066
00:54:00,880 --> 00:54:01,680
Speaker 1: Who knows.

1067
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 2: Since you're a quarterback extraordinary in a quarterback guru whisper,

1068
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 2: you know this as well.

1069
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:08,840
Speaker 1: As I do.

1070
00:54:09,000 --> 00:54:13,400
Speaker 2: Super Bowl forty six, that Giants Patriots, Eli Manning probably

1071
00:54:13,640 --> 00:54:17,280
Speaker 2: made the throw of his life tomorrow Hill Manning him

1072
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:19,439
Speaker 2: one of the best throws I've certainly ever seen.

1073
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:22,720
Speaker 1: I know you grew up idolizing Warren Moon.

1074
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:26,239
Speaker 2: You have also coached Patrick Mahomes, who I know you

1075
00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 2: coached before the twenty seventeen draft.

1076
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:29,600
Speaker 1: I think it was your.

1077
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:32,840
Speaker 2: Life savings is on the line. What are you trusting

1078
00:54:32,880 --> 00:54:37,520
Speaker 2: to make that throw? Is it Warren Moon or Patrick Mahomes.

1079
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 4: I gotta go Warren Moon. That's the only ever Black

1080
00:54:42,200 --> 00:54:45,520
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame quarterback there's honestly non I think throws

1081
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 4: a football better than Warren Moon. And Patrick Mahomes a

1082
00:54:49,200 --> 00:54:51,319
Speaker 4: great player. But if we're just asking for that throw,

1083
00:54:52,320 --> 00:54:54,040
Speaker 4: give me war So.

1084
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:54,839
Speaker 1: You're starting here first.

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Speaker 2: Everybody he thinks it's better than Patrick Bull Here she got.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: This is a true story.

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Speaker 2: Is when I was at ESPN, we had to do

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Speaker 2: our top five, like best quarterbacks like that.

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Speaker 1: Our personal war.

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Speaker 2: Moon was on my list because I think when it

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Speaker 2: came to throwing the football, I mean, I just truly

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Speaker 2: cannot think of somebody who was better than him.

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Speaker 1: And it was a producer who.

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Speaker 2: Was white who pulled me to the side and was like,

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Speaker 2: you know, this is uncomfortable to say, but are you

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Speaker 2: sure you're not just saying that because he's black? I

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Speaker 2: was like, have you seen warm You want to talk

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Speaker 2: about somebody who got going off?

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Speaker 3: Ohone?

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Speaker 1: It's like, have you seen war Moon throws?

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Speaker 4: You should the task? Right? The task?

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Speaker 2: We had a we had a strong conversation and I

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Speaker 2: was like, don't it telp me by telling me that

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Speaker 2: that I only put on my list because he's black.

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Speaker 2: I was like, I put war Mood on the list

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Speaker 2: because he's warm Moon, all right, right right.

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Speaker 1: I have to give him that too, Like so what

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Speaker 1: what what you're gonna do?

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Speaker 4: Though?

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Speaker 2: But no, I have a as a football player. You know,

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Speaker 2: Warren Moon is right up there. That leads me to

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Speaker 2: you know, and I'm gonna ended for real on this.

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Speaker 2: Who do you think is.

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Speaker 1: The best quarterback in NFL history?

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Speaker 4: I mean, I gotta go, Tom Brady's probably the best

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Speaker 4: in the NFL history. Man Patrick Mahomes is making a

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Speaker 4: very strong case rapidly because he's amazing.

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Speaker 2: Do you think Patrick needs to get more rings than

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Speaker 2: Brady to be the best?

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Speaker 5: No?

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Speaker 4: Rings are such a team accomplishment. If he just keeps

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Speaker 4: doing what he does, I think that will allow him

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Speaker 4: to But how long is against they with any Reid.

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Speaker 4: I'm actually interested to see what happens when he's in

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Speaker 4: a different office, because at one point is going to happen.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how old any Read is, but he's

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Speaker 4: not now.

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Speaker 2: I mean at some point you should like he will

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Speaker 2: retire and then interesting.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I see you with the with the subtle hot takes.

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Speaker 2: Well, Quincy, thank you so much for joining me here

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Speaker 2: on politics and for everybody again. Your documentary, Quincy Avery

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Speaker 2: Effect is streaming on Hulu and it's a wonderful documentary.

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Speaker 2: A lot of yes, it's you know, a lot of

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Speaker 2: good football in it. But I think your personal journey

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Speaker 2: is like super inspiring to a lot of people. So

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Speaker 2: best of luck with everything that you do. And I

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Speaker 2: would not be surprised to see you in a coaching

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Speaker 2: capacity for a team one of these days.

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Speaker 4: Well. I appreciate you, Thank you, I take care.

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Speaker 2: One more segment to go coming up next, the Final Spin.

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Speaker 1: Time Now for the final Spin.

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Speaker 2: The headline Kelsey Plum shades Caitlin Clark doing the WNBA

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Speaker 2: All Star postgame press conference after she was asked about

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Speaker 2: the players wearing the pay us what You Owe us

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Speaker 2: T shirts.

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Speaker 1: That caused quite a stirp.

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Speaker 3: Oh, that was a very powerful moment. We didn't, at

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Speaker 3: least as players, we didn't know that that was going

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Speaker 3: to happen, So I think it was kind of like

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Speaker 3: a genuine surprise. But the T shirt just united front

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Speaker 3: was determined this morning that we had a meeting for

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Speaker 3: and you know, not to not to tattle tale, but

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Speaker 3: zero members of Team Clark were very present for that.

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Speaker 1: But no, we were just uh, we had a very

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Speaker 1: uh I really needed to be mentioned.

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to make a situation like, okay, the spin

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Speaker 2: this is just another example of the persistent jealousy Caitlin

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Speaker 2: Clark faces in the WNBA. The truth people really have

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Speaker 2: lost their rabbit ass mines. I mean, all it took

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Speaker 2: is a couple of blogs to characterize that benign interaction

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Speaker 2: as an example of Caitlin Clark being shaded, and next thing,

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Speaker 2: you know, across social media and even in mainstream media,

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Speaker 2: we are once again back to this dumb, uninformed, lazy

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Speaker 2: narrative that w NBA players hate Caitlin Clark. First, Kelsey

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Speaker 2: Plum said Team Clark, as in Katelin Clark's entire team.

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Speaker 2: The All Star teams were named after their captains, the

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Speaker 2: Fisa Collier and Kaitlyn Clark because they were the top

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Speaker 2: two leading boat getters. Kelsey was joking about the fact

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Speaker 2: that members of Team Clark, of which Sabrito Yuenescu, who

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Speaker 2: is seated right next to her, is a member of

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Speaker 2: her team. We're hanging out and partying the night before.

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Speaker 2: That's why Team Clark missed the morning media. You hear

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Speaker 2: that other sound when Kelsey was talking. It's called laughter,

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Speaker 2: which is what her and Sabrita were doing when she

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Speaker 2: said it was a freaking joke. If there is any

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Speaker 2: bubbling animosity toward Kaitlyn Clark, the media is to blame

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Speaker 2: because they simply cannot resist any opportunity to turn Caitlyn

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Speaker 2: Clark into a damsel in distress. It's weird and it's

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