1 00:00:02,800 --> 00:00:06,840 Speaker 1: From Mediators World News headquarters in Bozeman, Montana. This is 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:10,879 Speaker 1: Cal's We Can Review, presented by Steel Steel products are 3 00:00:10,880 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: available only at authorized dealers. For more, go to Steel 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,680 Speaker 1: Dealers dot com. Now Here's your host, Ryan cal Callahan. 5 00:00:22,320 --> 00:00:25,960 Speaker 1: The California Game and Fish Commission voted unanimously last month 6 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:28,520 Speaker 1: the block a request that would have canceled the black 7 00:00:28,560 --> 00:00:32,160 Speaker 1: bear hunting season this fall. The Humane Society the United 8 00:00:32,200 --> 00:00:35,960 Speaker 1: States petitioned for the hunting ban earlier this year. They 9 00:00:36,120 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: argued that wildfires may have harmed the black bear population 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:42,040 Speaker 1: and the states should prohibit bear hunting until a more 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: thorough population survey could be conducted. The folks that the 12 00:00:45,800 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: Humane Society obviously don't listen to Cows we Can Review. 13 00:00:49,600 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: As we've covered on this podcast, wildfires rarely have population 14 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: level effects on animals. While some individuals die, especially in 15 00:00:57,040 --> 00:01:00,360 Speaker 1: large and fast moving blazes, large animals are are often 16 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:04,200 Speaker 1: able to escape the firewall and return to their original territory. 17 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: That appears to be the case with California's black bears. 18 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:10,039 Speaker 1: The state biologists testified that there is no evidence of 19 00:01:10,080 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: a steep decline of the state's bear population. In fact, 20 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:17,319 Speaker 1: the population has grown substantially in recent decades, and bears 21 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: are expanding into places they haven't been in modern history. Plus, 22 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,720 Speaker 1: hunters harvest less than five percent of the bear population 23 00:01:24,760 --> 00:01:27,840 Speaker 1: every year, so even if there was a decline, it 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't be due to the fall bear hunting season in 25 00:01:31,040 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: this case. I think the science today after seeing these presentations, 26 00:01:36,080 --> 00:01:38,520 Speaker 1: leads me to believe that the bear population is abundant 27 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: and that there's no reason from immediate emergency action. Um. 28 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: If the folks who on both sides want to have 29 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:45,720 Speaker 1: a debate over whether or not bear should be hunted 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: at all, um that this isn't the place to have 31 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: that debate. This is a big win for hunters. As 32 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: Travis Hall reports over at the meat eater dot com, 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,480 Speaker 1: black bear hunters showed up at the April Commission meeting 34 00:01:57,520 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: in droves. About twenty hunters test it at the meeting 35 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: in person, and another one seven spoke via zoom. They 36 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: specifically took issue with how the Humane Society characterizes hunters 37 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:14,160 Speaker 1: as trophy hunters. Listen to this California hunter Seth Watts. 38 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,720 Speaker 1: I am a hunter, my grandfather was a hunter, my 39 00:02:17,840 --> 00:02:21,680 Speaker 1: dad is a hunter. We are not trophy hunters. We 40 00:02:21,840 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 1: hunt these animals and put in extreme amount of work 41 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:31,280 Speaker 1: to make it happen. If we're so lucky, bear meat 42 00:02:31,800 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 1: to me and my family feeds us throughout the year. 43 00:02:35,840 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 1: The hearing also demonstrated that the black bear population in 44 00:02:38,720 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 1: California is healthy, which will make it much more difficult 45 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: for animal rights activists to go after bear hunting moving forward. 46 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean they won't try. The animal rights crowd 47 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:51,760 Speaker 1: has made it clear that their ultimate goal is to 48 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 1: ban all hunting, and they seem to think bear hunting 49 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:58,120 Speaker 1: is an easy first step. Their attempts in California have 50 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: failed so far, but there are lots of ways to 51 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: change policy in the Golden State. If they can get 52 00:03:03,400 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: enough people to sign a ballot petition to ban the 53 00:03:05,760 --> 00:03:09,080 Speaker 1: cruel and heartless killing of fuzzy black bear cubs, because 54 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: you know, that's how they describe it to others, California 55 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 1: will be well on its way to banning bear hunting. 56 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: As a side note here, I was particularly struck with 57 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,640 Speaker 1: Commissioner Murray who said, by way of defensive hunting quote, 58 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:25,560 Speaker 1: I don't particularly subscribe to the notion that just because 59 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 1: most people don't do something, we should do away with it. 60 00:03:29,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: Most people don't hunt. Most people don't fish, and that 61 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:35,520 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that people shouldn't have the ability to do it. 62 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,160 Speaker 1: That's not what democracy is. Only about four and a 63 00:03:40,200 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: half percent of Americans hunt while around fish. This week 64 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:49,400 Speaker 1: we talked spearing, small cats, and skeeters. But first I'm 65 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: going to tell you about my week in My week 66 00:03:52,680 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: was pretty darn great. Jumped in with a couple of 67 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: buddies and hunted eastern Oregon for turkeys. For the first 68 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: time ever. On this trip, the birds were very cooperative. 69 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: I think it's because we got a break in the 70 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: weather in between some storm systems. We managed to call 71 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 1: in a bunch of birds got zero ticks, which is 72 00:04:08,880 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 1: a record. We had some misses, which may have been 73 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:15,040 Speaker 1: more fun to watch than the perfect scenarios. Aside from 74 00:04:15,040 --> 00:04:18,000 Speaker 1: the weather, I also chock up this trip success to 75 00:04:18,160 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: patients killing them with our butts instead of our feet. 76 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 1: We were also on a friend's private property, which is 77 00:04:26,920 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: absolutely an advantage. But when it comes to turkeys, I'll 78 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,800 Speaker 1: tell you, if you're on public or private, a casual 79 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: approach to a gobbling tom seldom gets the job done. 80 00:04:37,560 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 1: Turkeys here very well, they see incredibly well, so this 81 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,160 Speaker 1: time around. Even though we were on private land, and 82 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,200 Speaker 1: even though we could hear birds Goblin, we started setting 83 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,919 Speaker 1: up just on the edge of where we were sure 84 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: those birds could hear our calls. We didn't take any 85 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:59,640 Speaker 1: risks in setting up this limited any unnecessary noise that 86 00:04:59,680 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: can make and relaxed Tom turned into a doubting Thomas. 87 00:05:03,640 --> 00:05:06,760 Speaker 1: I did use some like fighting hand type yelps in 88 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:09,839 Speaker 1: the afternoons that helped out quite a bit, but I 89 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: also worked the small purrs and puts on the old 90 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,680 Speaker 1: Phelps slate call, and that really got the job done well. 91 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 1: The other thing I tried out on this trip was 92 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: a four ten gage shotgun, the style of which is 93 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: very similar to a rifle. I outfitted this gun with 94 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: the Vortex red dot and used three in Federal TSS 95 00:05:35,200 --> 00:05:38,479 Speaker 1: loads in number eight shot. I believe this thing is 96 00:05:38,520 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: a dream to carry around the woods, super maneuverable. I 97 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:44,640 Speaker 1: killed both birds that I got this trip with it, 98 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:47,680 Speaker 1: both of which were really nice Tom's, one of which 99 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:50,000 Speaker 1: is like the nicest time I've gotten in a long time. 100 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: The first bird almost did an entire three and sixty 101 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 1: degree circle around me over the course of probably thirty minutes. 102 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: Eventually came into the back door and I had to 103 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: spin and shoot, and I killed him in about fifteen ft. 104 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: The second bird came in from down slope of a 105 00:06:07,839 --> 00:06:11,840 Speaker 1: road cut, projecting his red head in a full periscope 106 00:06:11,880 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: fashion above the edge of the road. I put the 107 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 1: red dot on his head and squeezed the trigger. Dead 108 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:21,520 Speaker 1: Tom Turkey, this one at thirty yards. I have to 109 00:06:21,560 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 1: say the pop of the four ten is a little anticlimactic, 110 00:06:25,120 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: and unless you're confidently throwing pellets at the head and neck, 111 00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 1: i'd advise against taking a shot with one. Further, that 112 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:36,520 Speaker 1: TSS and a twelve gauge literally redefined what dead was. 113 00:06:36,600 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 1: The first time I used it. I was shocked. Those 114 00:06:39,880 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: birds with a load of number nine shot TSS out 115 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: of the twelve gauge, even in a three inch, not 116 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,160 Speaker 1: even a three and a half, seemed to have the 117 00:06:47,240 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: life sucked from them before the shot shell wad hit 118 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: the grass. With the four ten, there's plenty of flopping 119 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: and kicking going on, just my field notes for you. 120 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:02,479 Speaker 1: Moving on all the way back to April two of 121 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: this year, Angus Leborne, a Mohawks citizen and member of 122 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,960 Speaker 1: the jode No shown a people Confederacy spared twenty three 123 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: walleye on Scriba Creek near the Oneida Fish Hatchery, and 124 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:19,880 Speaker 1: upstate New York State conservation officers ticketed Laborne for taking 125 00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,480 Speaker 1: the fish during a closed season by means other than angling, 126 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 1: and in closed waters closed waters meaning just upstream of 127 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 1: the hatchery, and during a closed season, as this is 128 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 1: when walley are spawning. Then on April five, Lborne returned 129 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:37,880 Speaker 1: to Scriba Creek with fourteen other men in the groups 130 00:07:37,880 --> 00:07:41,280 Speaker 1: spired a total of forty two more walleye. This time 131 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 1: environmental conservation officers did not intervene. On April nine, state 132 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 1: workers barricaded the parking lot around the hatchery to deter 133 00:07:49,680 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: any more fishing. No surprise that this has been wildly 134 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:55,800 Speaker 1: controversial in the area, and on this show we take 135 00:07:55,840 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 1: any deviation from state management of wildlife very seriously. So 136 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,600 Speaker 1: to dig into at least some of the major issues 137 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:05,440 Speaker 1: in play, Labourne asserts that, as a member of the 138 00:08:05,480 --> 00:08:08,520 Speaker 1: Hodano shown his right to hunt fish in this area 139 00:08:08,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: cannot be regulated by the State of New York. Back 140 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:15,840 Speaker 1: in New York, Governor George Clinton, not to be confused 141 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: with the legendary co founder of parliament Funkadelic signed a 142 00:08:21,400 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: state agreement with the Oneida, which are members of the 143 00:08:24,080 --> 00:08:28,240 Speaker 1: Hodano shown, which contains the following two clauses, with the 144 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: exception of a reservation quote, the Oneidas do seed and 145 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: grant all their lands to the people of the State 146 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: of New York forever unquote. But that agreement also grants 147 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 1: the Oneidas quote and their posterity forever the free right 148 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: of hunting in every part of the said seated lands, 149 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: and of fishing and all the waters within the same unquote. 150 00:08:52,120 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: New York signed similar agreements with surrounding nations in and 151 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,200 Speaker 1: eight nine. The Hodano shown a dispute the legality of 152 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: these documents, but if New York still finds them binding, 153 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:08,079 Speaker 1: the state must hold itself to their provisions, and in 154 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:11,320 Speaker 1: the still young US federal government signed the Treaty of 155 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: Canon Daegua, which recognizes the hodan oshon is free use 156 00:09:15,720 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: and enjoyment of their lands and further recognize their hunting 157 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: and fishing rights on the lands where Scriba Creek and 158 00:09:22,360 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 1: Onita Lake are situated. Those state and federal treaties are 159 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 1: still in effect and have been repeatedly affirmed by federal courts. 160 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: Including the Supreme Court, and so legally, Labourne does have 161 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 1: a leg to stand on here. However, that doesn't mean 162 00:09:37,840 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: that spearing spawning while I right next to a hatchery 163 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: is winning him a bunch of friends. We spoke with 164 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: Attorney Joe Heath, general counsel for the Onondaga Nation, which 165 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: is also part of the Honda Oshon, who has been 166 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: working on treaty hunting and fishing issues in this area 167 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:57,240 Speaker 1: for decades. Heath told us that before Laborne set out, 168 00:09:57,440 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: he should have asked permission from his mohawk name as 169 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: well as from the Oneida and the Onondaga nations whose 170 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: territory Screaba Creek runs through, but he did none of 171 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: the above and kind of ticked everybody off. However, friction 172 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:14,800 Speaker 1: and confusion around treaty protected fishing and hunting in this 173 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: area goes back a long long time. Often, dan o'shone 174 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: will present their identification known as red cards and get 175 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:27,280 Speaker 1: ticketed anyway from e c o S environmental conservation officers 176 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: doing their job trying to protect wildlife. If the ticket 177 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,199 Speaker 1: is contested in court, typically it's in a local jurisdiction 178 00:10:34,240 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: before a judge unfamiliar with this thicket of very old 179 00:10:37,920 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: and technical treaty law, who's unsure how to rule. And 180 00:10:42,320 --> 00:10:45,760 Speaker 1: typically it's in a local jurisdiction before a judge who 181 00:10:45,840 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: is unfamiliar with this very old and technical treaty law, 182 00:10:49,800 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 1: who is unsure on how to rule. All of this 183 00:10:53,600 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: leads to even more confusion and frustration. In an effort 184 00:10:57,120 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: to resolve the issue, last year, the New York States 185 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:03,520 Speaker 1: Senate unanimously passed s five to six six, which would 186 00:11:03,640 --> 00:11:06,400 Speaker 1: have allowed members of an Indian nation to hunt and 187 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 1: fish according to their treaty rights without regulation by the state, 188 00:11:10,360 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: provided that their activity followed the quote unquote conservation necessity doctrine. 189 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: The conservation necessity doctrine, you may ask, has been established 190 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:24,120 Speaker 1: and refined by courts across the country. It essentially comes 191 00:11:24,120 --> 00:11:27,480 Speaker 1: down to this, the state has to demonstrate that the 192 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:31,960 Speaker 1: treaty protected hunting or fishing is causing irreparable harm to 193 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: the species in question. If so, the doctrine provides a 194 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: kind of emergency switch the state can use. But it's 195 00:11:38,840 --> 00:11:42,280 Speaker 1: a very high bar and as much as a you know, 196 00:11:42,360 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 1: like dedicated Walleye type person might think Angus Lebourne was 197 00:11:46,160 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: being a jerk up, there on Scriba Creek. As of 198 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 1: two thousand twenty, there were an estimated one point two 199 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,600 Speaker 1: million wally you know, Needle Lake. So I'm torn. I'm 200 00:11:56,640 --> 00:12:00,079 Speaker 1: a big believer in state regulation of wildlife. This is 201 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:02,959 Speaker 1: them only works because we all adhere to the rules, 202 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: and those rules have brought back dozen species from the brink. 203 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: But there's no way that Labourne and his friends combined 204 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: could cause irreparable harm to this resource in this place 205 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:19,000 Speaker 1: using this method of take. And although Labourne's action was 206 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: extremely inflammatory and you know, more than likely intentionally so, 207 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:26,040 Speaker 1: the vast majority of hunting and fishing by the Junta 208 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: Noshne is completely in accord with good management. If S 209 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 1: five to six six had become law in New York State, 210 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: it would have given e c o s and local 211 00:12:35,720 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 1: judges a very clear modern statute to guide enforcement and trials. 212 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 1: Native Americans with treaty rights wouldn't be bound by state 213 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:47,400 Speaker 1: phish and game laws unless they're causing irreparable harm. Joe Heath, 214 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 1: the Onondaga Attorney, consulted on the effort to draft and 215 00:12:51,360 --> 00:12:54,079 Speaker 1: introduce the bill, and he believes it would have ended 216 00:12:54,120 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 1: a lot of this friction. However, New York Governor Kathy 217 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: Hochel vetoed the bill. A similar bill may come back 218 00:13:00,920 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: to her desk in the future, but until then, confusing 219 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:07,280 Speaker 1: treaties from the eighteenth century still holds sway. If you 220 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:10,199 Speaker 1: are a non native American angler in the area, you're 221 00:13:10,240 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: still likely ticked off because going up and fishing at 222 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:17,200 Speaker 1: the hatchery is awful limits to you, and spearing fish 223 00:13:17,360 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 1: is incredibly fun, and that's awful limits to you too. Now, 224 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,920 Speaker 1: if you're just any old angler that believes in healthy fisheries, 225 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,640 Speaker 1: you are likely worried that if there are parties out 226 00:13:27,679 --> 00:13:30,240 Speaker 1: there not bound by any rules, we could be on 227 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:33,680 Speaker 1: a slippery slope to a bad place. But according to 228 00:13:33,760 --> 00:13:36,720 Speaker 1: Joe Heath, the hoddan o'shawn A hold the protection of 229 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,960 Speaker 1: the natural world as one of their deepest core values. 230 00:13:40,520 --> 00:13:43,480 Speaker 1: He says they have sought and continue to seek meetings 231 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 1: in agreement with the state Department of Environmental Conservation, and 232 00:13:47,280 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: he is confident all parties can come to an agreement 233 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 1: on game management that protects everyone's rights and keeps walleyes 234 00:13:54,000 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: abundant forever. A couple of things here, Old Chester and 235 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: I may have caught the Montana State record walleye, which 236 00:14:01,120 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: I may have mentioned here on this podcast, and that 237 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: Wally I was of course a big female full eggs, 238 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: taking that one fish heavy with eggs, And just so 239 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: you know, according to a fisheries reproduction journal I dug 240 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: up from none other than the University of Wisconsin, an 241 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: average rule. Keep in mind this is average is for 242 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: every pound of female walleye and reproductive age, there's about 243 00:14:25,600 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: twenty seven thousand eggs per pound, meaning that our girl 244 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 1: could have been packing let's say upwards of half a 245 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: million eggs. Her death and the removal of those eggs 246 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: from the system would not have meant anything to the fishery. 247 00:14:42,560 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 1: But we still put her back. Why is that? Well, 248 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: I'll tell you this. That old adage of like eater 249 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 1: size walleye and the big ones don't taste good is 250 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: totally b as from what I've found out, the bigger 251 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: the walleye filet, I think, the better they taste. But 252 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: we still put her back. And one of those reasons 253 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: is the optics. We didn't talk about it during the 254 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: catch and release situation, but I don't think either of 255 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: us want everyone taking big egg packing, long lived and 256 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:19,160 Speaker 1: possibly genetically selected to grow that large wall eyes out 257 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:22,600 Speaker 1: of the system, but we could have, which again is 258 00:15:22,600 --> 00:15:26,480 Speaker 1: a big issue with this story. The optics of spearing 259 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: right next to a hatchery during a spawn are just 260 00:15:29,640 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: not great. And what happens if that activity catches you know, 261 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 1: popular fire and everybody's out there doing it, then yeah, 262 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,720 Speaker 1: in theory it could have a population impact on a species, 263 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,520 Speaker 1: but in this case it didn't impact the fishery either. 264 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: Another thing I want to bring up, which has very 265 00:15:49,560 --> 00:15:53,000 Speaker 1: little to do with this story. Andrew Clegg was my 266 00:15:53,040 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 1: study partner in high school advanced placement history and he's 267 00:15:57,400 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 1: still a very good friend of this day. And if 268 00:15:59,600 --> 00:16:06,120 Speaker 1: you're naight, Clegger School, which is an acronym for Seneca, Kyoga, Oneida, Onondaga, 269 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 1: and Mohawk, which are the five tribes of the Iroquois nation. Now, 270 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 1: that little tidbit never came up on a test or 271 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:19,600 Speaker 1: the final exam, but I know you haven't forgotten. Moving 272 00:16:19,600 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: on to the Washington Desk, I have new details for 273 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: you on the Houses Act, recently introduced by Utah Senator 274 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: Mike Lee. We covered this bill briefly an episode, but 275 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:34,240 Speaker 1: the full text of the legislation has since been released 276 00:16:34,360 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 1: along with a list of co sponsors. The bill is 277 00:16:37,200 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: creatively named the Helping Open under Utilized Space to Ensure 278 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:46,160 Speaker 1: Shelter Act or Houses Act of two thousand twenty two. 279 00:16:46,680 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: Say what you want about our elected officials, but they 280 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 1: know how to torture an acronym within an inch of 281 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:55,520 Speaker 1: its life, don't they? Now? I know what you're thinking. 282 00:16:55,960 --> 00:16:58,960 Speaker 1: Why wouldn't we want to open under utilized space to 283 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: ensure shelter? Mostly because what Senator Lee describes as underutilized 284 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:08,080 Speaker 1: is actually public land we all own and enjoy. The 285 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: Houses Act has been built as a way to address 286 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: the national housing shortage. It's true that the home supply 287 00:17:14,359 --> 00:17:17,040 Speaker 1: in the US isn't meeting demand, which is part of 288 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:20,840 Speaker 1: the reason prices have spiked. That shortage, Senator Lee and 289 00:17:20,880 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: his supporters argue, is enough to justify selling off public 290 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,920 Speaker 1: land for the purpose of building homes. Supply is not 291 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: meeting housing demand in Utah, and the federal government's land 292 00:17:32,600 --> 00:17:36,520 Speaker 1: ownership is a significant cause of our restricted housing stock, 293 00:17:36,840 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: Senator Lee said in a statement, the Houses Act will 294 00:17:40,960 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 1: free federal land in a responsible manner to keep the 295 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 1: dream and promise of Utah alive. Doesn't that sound quaint? 296 00:17:56,240 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 1: The bill aims to do this by lowering the bar 297 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: a state or local government must overcome to nominate a 298 00:18:02,560 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: piece of Bureau of Land Management land for purchase. Right now, 299 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:09,600 Speaker 1: BLM land can only be sold if there are no 300 00:18:09,680 --> 00:18:13,360 Speaker 1: work or traffic rights, the land is isolated from other 301 00:18:13,440 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: BLM land, and it was acquired for outdated purposes. The 302 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 1: sale must also directly benefit the public and be able 303 00:18:21,960 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: to clear an environmental review process. Under Senator Lee's bill, 304 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,800 Speaker 1: only existing rights any parcel of land would disqualify that 305 00:18:30,920 --> 00:18:36,159 Speaker 1: land from being developed, meaning no environmental review process. It 306 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,600 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be isolated from other BLM lands, It 307 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 1: doesn't need to be proven that it was originally acquired 308 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:45,440 Speaker 1: for an outdated purpose. All you got to prove is 309 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: that nobody else is trying to develop it. If you 310 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: read the text of the bill, which I really encourage 311 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:53,119 Speaker 1: you to do, you'll notice that it could sell public 312 00:18:53,240 --> 00:18:57,160 Speaker 1: land on the cheap without actually building any houses. According 313 00:18:57,200 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: to the text of each parcel of land could be 314 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,280 Speaker 1: used for commercial purposes. The remaining can be used to 315 00:19:05,320 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: build a wide variety of buildings, structures, and amenities that 316 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:12,600 Speaker 1: aren't houses. The land could be used for residential areas, 317 00:19:12,760 --> 00:19:16,120 Speaker 1: but it could also be used for open space, green space, 318 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:21,760 Speaker 1: or allowable community amenities. These amenities include grocery stores, hospitals, 319 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: police stations, schools, and recreational facilities, among others. In other words, 320 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: Senator Lee is using a very real housing shortage to 321 00:19:30,520 --> 00:19:33,800 Speaker 1: push legislation that would permit the sale of public land 322 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,680 Speaker 1: for an array of endeavors that are once again not houses. 323 00:19:38,280 --> 00:19:41,200 Speaker 1: If you want a real clear picture of what this means, 324 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:45,200 Speaker 1: just drive from Tremonton, Utah down to Spanish Fork. I'll 325 00:19:45,200 --> 00:19:48,159 Speaker 1: bet you can't tell where one strip mall ends and 326 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,800 Speaker 1: the next begins. It gets worse, believe it or not. 327 00:19:52,359 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 1: When considering whether to grant a state's request to purchase 328 00:19:55,440 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: public land, the Secretary of the Interior is not permitted 329 00:19:58,720 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: to consider whether the ho using shortage could be addressed 330 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,120 Speaker 1: by building on another tract of land. The Secretary must 331 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: issue a determination within one year, and if they fail 332 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:11,640 Speaker 1: to do so, the sale is automatically approved. A year 333 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: might sound like a long time, but if you're talking 334 00:20:14,040 --> 00:20:17,199 Speaker 1: about thousands of requests from across the entire country, I 335 00:20:17,320 --> 00:20:19,760 Speaker 1: highly doubt that twelve months will be enough time to 336 00:20:19,880 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: thoroughly vet every request. There are a few silver linings 337 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,800 Speaker 1: in the bill if you really squint your eyes. The 338 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,480 Speaker 1: proceeds from the sale of the land will go back 339 00:20:29,520 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: to Interior and can be used for National Park System, 340 00:20:33,160 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 1: wildfire prevention, water infrastructure development, and critical habitat restoration, most 341 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:40,800 Speaker 1: of which you won't need if you just leave the 342 00:20:40,880 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: damn habitat alone. But since the land will be sold 343 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: for as little as two percent of fair market value, 344 00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:51,399 Speaker 1: that's two percent of fair market value, it's hard to 345 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:54,359 Speaker 1: say that's much of a silver lining. The bill also 346 00:20:54,440 --> 00:20:57,440 Speaker 1: does not allow the federal government to sell public land 347 00:20:57,520 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: with special designations from Congress, such as National monuments, wilderness areas, 348 00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 1: or National recreation areas. But since all other BLM land 349 00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:10,359 Speaker 1: is up for grabs, it's hard to find comfort in 350 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: this either. Theoretically, you could buy up the BLM land 351 00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:18,840 Speaker 1: that surrounds a wilderness area. It's been done before. Any 352 00:21:18,920 --> 00:21:21,600 Speaker 1: plans to purchase a public land must be approved by 353 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,800 Speaker 1: both the Secretary of the Interior and the state's governor. 354 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,119 Speaker 1: Those are two big hurdles, but those hurdles rise and 355 00:21:28,160 --> 00:21:32,160 Speaker 1: fall with the political winds. Right now, the Interior Secretary 356 00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,720 Speaker 1: and your governor might be defenders of public land, but 357 00:21:36,080 --> 00:21:39,960 Speaker 1: after the next election. Who knows. So far, Senator Mitt 358 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,240 Speaker 1: Romney of Utah and Senator John Barrasso of Wyoming have 359 00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:47,159 Speaker 1: joined Senator Lee to conspire against US. I'm sorry co 360 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:51,160 Speaker 1: sponsor this legislation. These guys need to know how their 361 00:21:51,200 --> 00:21:55,280 Speaker 1: constituents feel about putting grocery stores on public land. Get 362 00:21:55,320 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 1: in touch with your duly elected today and let them 363 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,480 Speaker 1: know how you feel about US four zero six to, 364 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: also known as the Houses Act. I would also encourage 365 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: you to ask about provisions that would make this quote 366 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:14,080 Speaker 1: housing affordable enough to fix the housing issue. Would the 367 00:22:14,240 --> 00:22:17,560 Speaker 1: senators also be willing to stipulate that, since the land 368 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:21,040 Speaker 1: is proposed to sell far below market value, that the 369 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 1: builders and sellers of homes need to also sell those 370 00:22:24,520 --> 00:22:28,320 Speaker 1: homes at well below market value. At the very least. 371 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: Keep in mind when you hear the Houses Act come 372 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 1: up in the news, it's just an acronym. It doesn't 373 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:41,240 Speaker 1: mean housing. Moving on to the Canada Desk, A string 374 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,120 Speaker 1: of mountain lion attacks on Vancouver Island may be connected 375 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: to a deadly disease that's ravaged the local deer populations. 376 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:51,160 Speaker 1: According to a recent report on CTV news, a dento 377 00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: virus hemorrhagic disease or a h D damages a deer's 378 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: lungs and intestines and is often fatal, especially in fonds. 379 00:22:59,000 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: It can also cause chronic problems like ulcers and abscesses 380 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:05,680 Speaker 1: and a deer's mouth and throat. The disease is most 381 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 1: commonly found in Western states like Oregon, Washington State, and Wyoming, 382 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 1: along with Canadian provinces like British Columbia. As we covered 383 00:23:13,560 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: back in episode one, a h D appears to be 384 00:23:16,800 --> 00:23:22,120 Speaker 1: affecting certain deer populations, especially on island ecosystems. Blacktailed deer 385 00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,399 Speaker 1: have declined on Washington State's San Juan Islands, and the 386 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,480 Speaker 1: same thing appears to be happening on Vancouver Island. That 387 00:23:28,520 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 1: should concern hunters, but another predator is also feeling the squeeze. 388 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:35,520 Speaker 1: Deer are a staple food item for mountain lions, but 389 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: with fewer deer available, biologists believe that the cats are 390 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:45,119 Speaker 1: looking to alternative food sources, specifically dogs or canines for 391 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 1: the lapers. I'm not worried because ever since I got 392 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: snort those b j J classes, she's pretty sure she 393 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:57,080 Speaker 1: can take on a mountain lion. But not every canine 394 00:23:57,320 --> 00:24:01,120 Speaker 1: is as ferocious or cunning. STV News reports that there 395 00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: have been at least five mountain lion attacks on pet 396 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 1: dogs in recent weeks, which conservation officers on Vancouver Island 397 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,880 Speaker 1: described as a spike in attacks. Four of the five 398 00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,080 Speaker 1: dogs have survived their encounters. In one incident, a woman 399 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:16,320 Speaker 1: was walking with a pit bowl off leash when a 400 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,320 Speaker 1: cat jumped from behind some bushes and started to drag 401 00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 1: the sixty pound dog back into the shrubbery. The woman, 402 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,000 Speaker 1: who was not the dog's owner and should receive some 403 00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: kind of metal for bravery, went after the mountain lion 404 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:31,120 Speaker 1: with an umbrella. The cat did what most sane people 405 00:24:31,160 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: would have done. It dropped the dog and ran. The 406 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: eight year old pooch sustained puncture wounds to the head, 407 00:24:36,600 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 1: neck and shoulders, but is expected to make a full recovery. 408 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: Here's a fun fact for you. If you've ever been 409 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,360 Speaker 1: confused about the difference between mountain lions, cougars, pumas, and panthers, 410 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,320 Speaker 1: there's a good reason all names refer to the same 411 00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,120 Speaker 1: species of cat. The puba con color, as we'd say 412 00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: it in Montana, is the largest of the quote small 413 00:24:56,240 --> 00:25:00,439 Speaker 1: cats small cats being a designation referring to fee lions 414 00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,040 Speaker 1: that do not roar. Big cat, big roar, small cat, 415 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 1: no roar. Mountain lions are known by so many different 416 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 1: names because they occupy the largest range of any terrestrial 417 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:16,040 Speaker 1: non human mammal in the Western hemisphere. You can find 418 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: mountain lions from British Columbia to Argentina and pretty much 419 00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,280 Speaker 1: everywhere in between. Because the cats are known by so 420 00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 1: many different people groups, they've been given a wide variety 421 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:29,360 Speaker 1: of names. Early Spanish explorers of North and South America 422 00:25:29,560 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 1: called them leon and Gato monte, from which we get 423 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: the name mountain lion. According to the San Diego Zoo, 424 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:40,200 Speaker 1: puma is the Incan word for cat, and cougar seems 425 00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,879 Speaker 1: to have come from an old Southern frat house. Sorry 426 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: South American Indian word cugua corona, which was shortened to 427 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: couguar sounds better when you say like that. You got 428 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:57,000 Speaker 1: to harness your interior Antonio banderas, whatever you call them. 429 00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:58,720 Speaker 1: It might be wise to keep your dog on a 430 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,679 Speaker 1: leash the next time you're going and first roll on 431 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,719 Speaker 1: Vancouver Island buzzing over to the Skeeter desk. It's that 432 00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,119 Speaker 1: time of year. Back in June of last year, we 433 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:10,959 Speaker 1: told you about oxy Tech, a company that had started 434 00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:14,280 Speaker 1: to release thousands of self destructing adis A Gyp Time 435 00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 1: mosquitoes into the Florida Keys. A A GYP Tie are 436 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: the variety of mosquitoes that carry the Zeka virus and 437 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,479 Speaker 1: pesticides haven't worked to control their numbers, so finding a 438 00:26:24,520 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: better solution would be a big public health win. The 439 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: oxy Tech scientists created genetically altered a GYP Time males 440 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: to go out and mate with wild a A gyp 441 00:26:35,040 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 1: Ti females. This alteration results in all female offspring having 442 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:42,960 Speaker 1: a genetic malfunction that kills them before they can mate. 443 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: It also gave human parents across the country some extra 444 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: powder when it came time to give kids, you know 445 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:52,600 Speaker 1: the talk. You know things can happen during the mating 446 00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: process children. The new male mosquitoes, however, are perfectly healthy, 447 00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,000 Speaker 1: but they also carry the self destruct gene. These new 448 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:04,640 Speaker 1: males breed with wild females and the pattern repeats. All 449 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:07,439 Speaker 1: the new females die and all the new males pass 450 00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:11,480 Speaker 1: on more self destruct DNA. This keeps going for generation 451 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,280 Speaker 1: after generation, more and more males pass self destruct genes, 452 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: more and more females dying before they can mate. Eventually, 453 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: there are no A A gyp Ti females left, and 454 00:27:21,800 --> 00:27:24,640 Speaker 1: with no one left to mate with the non biting 455 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: last generation of genetically altered males dies. If everything goes 456 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: according to plan, there will be no more A A 457 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 1: gyp tie, no more zekea, and no more genetic mutations 458 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: remaining on the landscape. But when some people here genetically 459 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: engineered organism, they think velociraptors hunting kids and abandons commercial kitchens. 460 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:48,840 Speaker 1: There were numerous and vocal opposition groups to this study. 461 00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: As of April, ox A Tech had collected more than 462 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: twenty two thousand eggs fathered by the genetically altered males. 463 00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,679 Speaker 1: Those eggs were brought back to the lab for study. 464 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:02,159 Speaker 1: Sure enough, all the females with the self destruct gene 465 00:28:02,320 --> 00:28:06,199 Speaker 1: did die before reaching adulthood. A gyp Ti males with 466 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:09,560 Speaker 1: the mutant genes were found in the wild for three months, 467 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,480 Speaker 1: but then they entirely died out, and no mutant A 468 00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: gyp Ti were found further than four meters from where 469 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:21,000 Speaker 1: the original males were released. Both of these findings provide 470 00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: some reassurance that We're not opening a genetic Pandora's box here, 471 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:28,679 Speaker 1: Although more trials are necessary before mutant mosquitoes could be 472 00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:32,400 Speaker 1: deployed at scale to wipe out Zeka in an entire region. 473 00:28:32,960 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 1: That day is coming closer, however, because this particular variety 474 00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,440 Speaker 1: of mosquito only makes up about four percent of all 475 00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:43,160 Speaker 1: mosquitoes in Florida, you Sunshine Staters are still going to 476 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,240 Speaker 1: be slapping yourselves on the back of the neck for 477 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 1: the foreseeable future. That's all I've got for you this week. 478 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for listening. Remember, as these late 479 00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:56,240 Speaker 1: snows start to pummel your blooming trees and branches started dropping, 480 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: there's only one solution. Head on down to your local 481 00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: Nolible steel dealer. You can find that person by going 482 00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 1: to www dot steel Dealers dot com. They'll get you 483 00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: set up with what you need and they won't send 484 00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: you home with what you don't. And lastly, and most importantly, 485 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:16,280 Speaker 1: right in to a s k C a L that's 486 00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,720 Speaker 1: asked cal at the Meat Eater dot com and let 487 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,560 Speaker 1: me know what's going on in your neck of the woods. 488 00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:30,040 Speaker 1: Thanks again, and I'll talk to you next week.