WEBVTT - 6/3/26: Larry Ellison Net Worth Skyrockets On Data Centers, ICE Protests Erupt At Delaney Hall 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:01.599 Hey guys, Saga and Crystal here. 0:00:01.680 --> 0:00:05.200 Independent media just played a truly massive role in this election, 0:00:05.360 --> 0:00:07.840 and we are so excited about what that means for 0:00:07.880 --> 0:00:08.760 the future of the show. 0:00:08.880 --> 0:00:10.760 This is the only place where you can find honest 0:00:10.760 --> 0:00:13.280 perspectives from the left and the right that simply does 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:14.640 not exist anywhere else. 0:00:14.720 --> 0:00:17.080 So if that is something that's important to you, please 0:00:17.120 --> 0:00:19.599 go to Breakingpoints dot com. 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His net worth went up I 0:00:56.920 --> 0:01:01.720 think seventy billion dollars in the last month, modest because 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.520 he's you know, he really he woke up earlier. You know, 0:01:05.560 --> 0:01:08.080 he put in the hours and when you do that, 0:01:08.200 --> 0:01:12.080 you know success comes your way coming out of that. 0:01:12.160 --> 0:01:15.520 What he'd like to see is uh. Stenny Hoyer, the 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.440 longtime representative from southern Maryland who was the number two 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:23.000 in the House for really many decades, wants to see 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:26.440 him replaced by an Oracle lobbyist. Larry Allison. Of course, 0:01:26.720 --> 0:01:32.080 Uh the founder of the CAA linked Oracle and Adrian Boafo, 0:01:32.160 --> 0:01:37.760 now running former Stenny Hoyer campaign manager, has been a 0:01:37.800 --> 0:01:42.400 lobbyist for Oracle for data centers for the last five 0:01:42.480 --> 0:01:46.560 years and is now running with Hoyer's support to replace him. 0:01:47.080 --> 0:01:49.200 Standing in his way, Harry Dunn is a Capitol police 0:01:49.200 --> 0:01:55.560 officer but also Prince George's councilwoman h Wallable Gay. We 0:01:55.600 --> 0:01:59.560 are joined today by Wallable Gay. So your your opponent's 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:05.840 b US made seventy billion dollars last month, but you 0:02:05.880 --> 0:02:09.560 know anything can happen, So thank you for being here 0:02:09.600 --> 0:02:10.520 in the studio. 0:02:10.520 --> 0:02:14.080 We really appreciate it, right, and we have no tolerance 0:02:14.080 --> 0:02:17.160 for the billionaires living big in the United States while 0:02:17.200 --> 0:02:18.320 the rest of us are suffering. 0:02:18.600 --> 0:02:19.519 And that's why I'm running. 0:02:19.919 --> 0:02:23.720 What's so crazy is we could have minted seventy one 0:02:23.800 --> 0:02:29.520 new billionaires in the last month instead one billionaire's worth 0:02:29.560 --> 0:02:31.120 seventy one billion dollars more. 0:02:31.320 --> 0:02:35.639 The richer are getting richer. It is getting out of control. 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.040 It is in our faces and it's like they just 0:02:38.040 --> 0:02:42.200 don't care anymore. And that's why we are we have 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:45.680 we are ground zero for the attacks. It is amazing 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:48.480 how we have billionaires who are getting richer, but yet 0:02:48.480 --> 0:02:51.239 and still we're ripping. Our federal workers have gotten the 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:57.480 jobs taken our federal contractors anything di you understand, Maryland's 0:02:57.680 --> 0:03:00.680 fifth Congressional district has two of the wealthy as African 0:03:00.720 --> 0:03:03.600 American communities in the country that have been torn down 0:03:03.960 --> 0:03:07.560 because contracts have been taking Anything DEI in this administration 0:03:07.960 --> 0:03:11.560 has been snatched. Like we literally are hearing weekly from 0:03:11.560 --> 0:03:15.040 people looking for new opportunities because they can barely make payroll. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.560 We have federal workers who are peacemeialing side jobs to 0:03:18.600 --> 0:03:21.120 get the jobs to get the income that they have before, 0:03:21.160 --> 0:03:24.919 which they're barely getting. We are dealing with the highest 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.320 grocery bills, utility bills. I'm as you mentioned, one of 0:03:28.320 --> 0:03:31.880 my opponents is a lobbyist for Oracle and we have 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.120 data centers that are on our grid we are on 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:38.080 the same grid as the capital of data centers just 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:42.320 about yessue. It is a huge issue in Prince George's. 0:03:42.360 --> 0:03:45.080 I stopped the data center in Prince George's. We have 0:03:45.360 --> 0:03:48.040 ones that they just stopped in Charles County, and Calvert 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:50.440 is not having it. So we have at least three 0:03:50.680 --> 0:03:56.160 of the five jurisdictions within Congressional five fighting data centers. 0:03:56.240 --> 0:04:00.440 And yet and still we're looking at Oracle possible. And 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:03.960 they even even before the four million dollars that's coming 0:04:04.400 --> 0:04:07.280 from AI, Crypto Oracle, all of these things, they were 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:10.400 getting money from Oracle Data Center folks. And I would 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.920 just tell you this, Our bills are going up high. 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:15.840 We are on the same grid. 0:04:15.840 --> 0:04:18.159 We are on the thirteenth state grid with the same 0:04:18.240 --> 0:04:22.880 grid as the capitol data centers Virginia. So that's why 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.760 our bills are even higher than other areas. We are 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:29.760 struggling to stop. We have in Prince William County twenty 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:32.880 hyper skilled data centers coming up. And if that and 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:36.599 our pjam our administrator told us, if the hyper skilled 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:40.400 data centers keep coming up, we are going to have blackouts. 0:04:40.839 --> 0:04:44.800 So we are in trouble, and it's because of data centers. 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:47.360 We have got to pause data centers. I am full 0:04:47.400 --> 0:04:50.880 support of Senator Sanders bill pause moratorium one data centers. 0:04:50.880 --> 0:04:54.080 In back, I introduced one in Prince George's county when 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:55.960 we were going to have one at the Landover Moore 0:04:56.160 --> 0:05:00.560 Mall and Senator Van Hollins build that we're requires them 0:05:00.600 --> 0:05:04.120 to bring their own generation. Their pressure on the grid 0:05:04.320 --> 0:05:06.719 is making it worse for everyone. And then if you 0:05:06.800 --> 0:05:10.560 elect a lobbyist that is a data centered lobbyist, it 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:15.640 will get worse. You're almost like asking for increasing utility bills, 0:05:15.800 --> 0:05:19.440 and yet instead we have, as you said, the oracle 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:23.320 man is now more richer than he ever has, and 0:05:23.360 --> 0:05:25.200 we have seniors that can't pay their bills. 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.640 In fact, my office, we're paying bills. 0:05:28.040 --> 0:05:30.760 I feel like if Howard Zenn had been immortal and 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:34.239 was around today, like writing and writing a new book, 0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:37.960 it'd be like Larry Ellison oracle lobbyists trying to replace 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.200 Stenny Hoyer in southern Maryland. Now. The thing that makes 0:05:42.200 --> 0:05:45.680 this race interesting though, is there seem like they're two 0:05:45.760 --> 0:05:48.799 hundred and fifty five people running. How many people running 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:49.280 in this race? 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.839 It's twenty three now we had one dropout for the 0:05:52.920 --> 0:05:56.120 Democratic side doesn't include the Republican side. And it's because 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.960 hor who stayed in office for almost He's stayed in 0:05:59.000 --> 0:06:02.640 office longer than I've been born, so it is he 0:06:02.800 --> 0:06:07.000 has been forty forty five years in office, and that 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:09.480 has caused people to have to say, this is a moment. 0:06:09.560 --> 0:06:11.560 And I will tell you this, the suffering. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:13.919 I know that we have people I'm running against that 0:06:13.920 --> 0:06:16.440 I don't know very well. But what I know is 0:06:16.480 --> 0:06:19.440 that they're mostly laid off in federal workers that are 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.000 just sick of it and deciding they want to get involved. 0:06:22.360 --> 0:06:25.359 It is the suffering that's going on that's costing the 0:06:25.400 --> 0:06:28.280 twenty four people to run because people are seeing we've 0:06:28.320 --> 0:06:31.760 never seen this before. Like twenty years ago, this was 0:06:32.120 --> 0:06:35.880 the Middle America where they were taking away those factory jobs, 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.599 and those factory jobs were leaving the country. 0:06:37.720 --> 0:06:39.200 Now it's us. 0:06:39.680 --> 0:06:42.720 We are little federal workers are losing jobs and they 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.880 cannot find anything that would pay them or give them 0:06:45.920 --> 0:06:49.080 anything before and the ones who've keeping their jobs, they 0:06:49.120 --> 0:06:52.720 feel that they have been pretty much nobody appreciates them. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:56.320 And meanwhile, this is happening. We're spending a billion dollars 0:06:56.400 --> 0:07:00.240 a day in the around war. While we've got peopleeople 0:07:00.279 --> 0:07:03.040 who have been told their jobs were cut to save money. 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:05.880 Oh, go ahead, correct me if I'm wrong. In your district, 0:07:06.720 --> 0:07:10.640 whenever there's a government shut down at a lot of 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:14.680 your workers are contractors, and the actual employees will get 0:07:14.680 --> 0:07:17.520 back paid, but the contractors get stiffed usually. 0:07:18.160 --> 0:07:21.480 Yeah, but understand don't because the employees, if they hear this, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.000 they will just cringe, right, because the reality is that 0:07:25.400 --> 0:07:28.520 as you're waiting, there's a late bill, there's bill payments 0:07:28.840 --> 0:07:32.440 that need to be paid back. Yeah, and then they 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:34.920 are looking at back pay. But the reality is that 0:07:35.640 --> 0:07:38.800 getting all those late fees waiting for things to come, 0:07:38.880 --> 0:07:41.200 money come. I mean, there were people that called and said, 0:07:41.760 --> 0:07:43.600 I know what's to shut down, but while I'm about 0:07:43.640 --> 0:07:45.920 to get my LFE turned off because we're already behind. 0:07:46.160 --> 0:07:48.560 So is that then the federal contractors, Yes, they don't 0:07:48.560 --> 0:07:51.600 get job and federal contracts even worse. We have about 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:53.720 in Prince George's County alone, we have about a seventy 0:07:53.720 --> 0:07:57.520 five thousand federal workers, and in each county they have 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:00.320 a big number. But what's even bigger is a federal 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:03.200 contractors and federal contracts don't have the same protection, so 0:08:03.200 --> 0:08:05.440 they don't get the notice. They don't get a lot 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:07.320 of them are getting last minute notice that they have 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.640 been the contracts have been ended, and they don't get 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:15.080 all of these packages and all that that's required with 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:18.080 a federal worker. So we have federal contractors who are 0:08:18.120 --> 0:08:20.240 just getting quick notice that they've been laid that they're 0:08:20.280 --> 0:08:22.960 going to be laid off, and no money to really go. 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:24.560 Like, people are struggling. 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:28.800 We did put out something about paying bills from my 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:31.880 with the nonprofit because we fund a nonprofit and we 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.400 had to say no to a lot of people. 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:36.920 So it is struggle right now. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:38.880 I think that it is something that many people are 0:08:38.920 --> 0:08:42.320 not used to, so they're trying to kind of go 0:08:42.440 --> 0:08:48.160 through it. So right now, what a Horrior endorsement ten 0:08:48.240 --> 0:08:50.760 years ago would have sealed to deal right it would 0:08:50.760 --> 0:08:52.280 have been, it would be over. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:53.560 Because I've been a. 0:08:53.480 --> 0:08:56.040 Council member for four years now in Push George's County, 0:08:56.040 --> 0:08:59.720 and prior to that, I was a labor lawyer involved 0:08:59.720 --> 0:09:00.480 in the community. 0:09:00.480 --> 0:09:01.880 I had a show chat with the lawyer. 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.360 I've run against a ticket before, and when I ran 0:09:04.360 --> 0:09:07.640 against a ticket that with normal times, people just say, 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:09.719 look I know these people. I'm going to vote for 0:09:09.760 --> 0:09:13.000 whoever they recommend. Now, we went door knocking yesterday. People 0:09:13.040 --> 0:09:15.640 are asking questions. They say, we got to research candidates 0:09:15.640 --> 0:09:16.880 because the hurt. 0:09:16.679 --> 0:09:17.160 Is too much. 0:09:17.480 --> 0:09:19.280 Yeah, and I was gonna ask. I mean, so your 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.480 opponent might say data centers. If people are struggling in 0:09:22.480 --> 0:09:26.480 PG County, they need jobs. Data centers bring jobs, data 0:09:26.480 --> 0:09:27.959 centers bring tax relief. 0:09:28.000 --> 0:09:29.600 We've been played before, right. 0:09:29.440 --> 0:09:30.319 So tell us. 0:09:30.559 --> 0:09:32.520 And I was also curious, when you're talking about this 0:09:32.600 --> 0:09:35.920 on the campaign trail, what you're hearing from people, because 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:38.640 we're not being told by Kevin O'Leary and others that 0:09:38.720 --> 0:09:42.320 this is just a giant Chinese psychological operation on the 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.760 American public. China is making us mad at data centers. 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:46.280 What are you. 0:09:46.240 --> 0:09:49.520 Hearing, Well, we're here, so we're put it like this. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:53.760 This was before this election. People found out in Prince 0:09:53.760 --> 0:09:56.360 George's County they have fast tracked data centers, that Prime 0:09:56.400 --> 0:10:00.840 administration have fast tracked data centers. The Council done counting executive. 0:10:01.120 --> 0:10:02.880 When we came in, we didn't even know about the 0:10:02.880 --> 0:10:05.600 fast tracking. But what happened was all of a sudden, 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.920 the work out to the community that one of the 0:10:10.040 --> 0:10:13.560 data centers was at permitting and we found people called 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.160 the office demanding screaming. We had an event where people 0:10:17.200 --> 0:10:20.280 took over. About almost a thousand people showed up screaming 0:10:20.320 --> 0:10:23.360 and yelling, and they were like, why why do we 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.480 have this? We were already looking into the issue, and 0:10:26.520 --> 0:10:29.040 I think we had a qualified data center task force 0:10:29.280 --> 0:10:31.480 to look into the issue. But then I did a 0:10:31.640 --> 0:10:34.600 pause because I was like, no, fast tracking, everything has 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.439 to stop the reality is that what's getting people the bills. 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:44.200 People are seeing a thousand dollar bill a month at 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:45.760 people who I used to have. 0:10:45.720 --> 0:10:47.320 A bill that was less than one hundred dollars. 0:10:47.400 --> 0:10:50.360 Even I myself and admit to you, yes that I 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.440 got a six hundred dollar bill in January, and so 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.679 if you were getting that I had an eighty five, 0:10:57.640 --> 0:10:59.400 I mean it is really I had an eighty five 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.960 year old woman who said that she's got a fifteen 0:11:03.040 --> 0:11:04.880 hundred dollar bill. She doesn't know if you have an 0:11:04.920 --> 0:11:09.400 older house, it's even worse. That's what's really driving the frustration, 0:11:09.920 --> 0:11:12.320 and I think people are feeling like what a data center. 0:11:12.360 --> 0:11:14.079 They're seeing a lot of things, a lot of the 0:11:14.840 --> 0:11:17.160 information online. They want to know, how does this impact 0:11:17.200 --> 0:11:19.400 their life, how does it impact their environment, how does. 0:11:19.240 --> 0:11:20.160 It impact their water? 0:11:21.120 --> 0:11:23.439 So what we know is my opponent has been quiet 0:11:23.480 --> 0:11:25.640 on what his work is with data centers. He even 0:11:25.640 --> 0:11:28.920 says it's education. But the reality is that Oracle is 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:29.959 building data centers. 0:11:30.000 --> 0:11:31.800 So he's not even trying to own it and say, listen, 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:32.760 I was bringing jobs. 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:34.320 He's just someone that doesn't want to talk about it. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.720 We know that the job count for a data center, 0:11:38.200 --> 0:11:40.959 for a regular data center, is about twelve to fifteen, 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:46.080 and so we are talking about it, and they even 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:48.320 said that what's even worse is that a lot of 0:11:48.320 --> 0:11:51.679 the jobs are remote, so arguably they can hire somebody 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:54.920 from another state and so you might not need someone 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:57.560 in town. Now, the unions will argue, and I know 0:11:57.640 --> 0:11:59.960 that because they were the ones that I found out 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:01.920 that my opponent worked for data center. 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:03.000 I found out through the unions. 0:12:03.000 --> 0:12:06.200 The unions actually says, well, this is unionized jobs, but 0:12:06.240 --> 0:12:08.760 the reality is that the construction jobs, those. 0:12:08.600 --> 0:12:11.360 Are temporary jobs. I am pro labor. I am a 0:12:11.480 --> 0:12:13.319 labor lawyer, so I am I. 0:12:13.520 --> 0:12:17.600 Believe any data center built should be built under a 0:12:17.679 --> 0:12:21.559 labor agreement. However, is this good for the residents the 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:23.600 answer is no, no, no, no. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:27.839 So you also made news in Prince Georgie County as 0:12:27.840 --> 0:12:32.160 you were pushing a ceasefire resolution, or talk about what 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:36.080 you did you know after October seventh, what the pushback 0:12:36.120 --> 0:12:37.920 has been and how that's playing into the rate because 0:12:38.240 --> 0:12:40.520 Adrian Boff of course, because this is a Howard Zen 0:12:41.040 --> 0:12:44.000 story also has a support of democratic majority for Israel. 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.040 I don't know if apacs officially gotten in yet, but 0:12:46.080 --> 0:12:50.520 they have the APAX. Yes, DMFI is basically an apex right. 0:12:50.520 --> 0:12:54.480 Right right, yeah, So we when October seventh, and of 0:12:54.520 --> 0:12:59.479 course I am in no support of killing of Harma's actions. However, 0:13:00.400 --> 0:13:05.920 the story, the visuals of those killings in Gaza got 0:13:05.960 --> 0:13:09.560 to me. We had we did a ceasefire resolution. I 0:13:09.600 --> 0:13:12.319 tried to lobby my colleagues to do a permanent sea 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.720 cease fire resolution. A lot of people were afraid because 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:20.760 of Abac, but I wasn't because I felt strongly that 0:13:20.840 --> 0:13:22.040 this was wrong. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:22.920 On all sides. 0:13:22.960 --> 0:13:26.319 We don't we shouldn't have Hamas killing people, We shouldn't 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:32.000 have an Israel government killing people. So we did a 0:13:32.040 --> 0:13:35.640 ceasefire rally with the Muslim community and Christian community. 0:13:35.679 --> 0:13:36.880 We had pastors. 0:13:36.920 --> 0:13:41.560 We had everyone come out and so now of course, 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:46.199 and we're not for putting our money into a war 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:49.000 that makes no sense, especially when our federal workers are 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:52.600 not back to work. We are not for just giving 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:59.079 arms with no restrictions. And that's not being anti semitic, 0:13:59.559 --> 0:14:03.000 that is just being That is just the position that 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:04.000 America should take. 0:14:04.120 --> 0:14:06.200 They will take you with any other country. 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:12.040 Right right, Wallible gay candidate for Maryland's fifth congressional district. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:13.440 Where can people find more? 0:14:14.280 --> 0:14:17.320 Go to wallablagaye dot com. W A L A B 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:20.480 L E G A Y. I've been an activist, you 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.160 know a lot in Prince George's county. They know me 0:14:22.200 --> 0:14:24.440 and my work has been known around the community. So 0:14:24.480 --> 0:14:27.480 we're on the ground and what we see. Don't let 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:32.040 the the the four million dollars of AI crypto and 0:14:32.080 --> 0:14:33.840 all that. So that's what that's the number week at 0:14:34.240 --> 0:14:36.200 fool you into thinking that this is over. 0:14:36.360 --> 0:14:38.520 This race is over. We're talking to voters. 0:14:38.800 --> 0:14:41.200 The election is two weeks yeah roughly. All right, so 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:43.480 we'll be watching it closely. Thanks so much for being here. 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:44.200 Thank you. 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:49.480 We're joined now by Orrin cass He's the founder and 0:14:49.560 --> 0:14:52.800 chief economist over at American Compass or in thanks for 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:53.400 coming back. 0:14:53.240 --> 0:14:53.640 On the show. 0:14:53.720 --> 0:14:55.280 Thank you guys for having me fresh. 0:14:55.040 --> 0:14:58.000 Off an interview with Treasury Secretary at Scott Bessett last 0:14:58.080 --> 0:15:01.400 night at an American Compass event and disculture. I'm an 0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:03.280 American Compass member and a big. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:05.480 Fan of American Compass. Of course, what does it mean 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.040 or I go to events? It means we get a 0:15:08.080 --> 0:15:08.760 free dinner. 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:09.160 Every once in a while. 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:13.080 No, no, it's there's no financial relationship. We just we 0:15:13.120 --> 0:15:17.800 are trying to support a network of policy professionals, journalists, lawyers, 0:15:18.280 --> 0:15:22.280 folks in government who are nerds like you. 0:15:22.480 --> 0:15:24.720 Remember it means like you get an AMA for free 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:25.240 or something. 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:28.560 We should have something like that. But no, it means 0:15:28.560 --> 0:15:32.440 we're hopefully working together on improving the policy environment. 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:32.560 In this talent. 0:15:33.000 --> 0:15:33.280 Right. 0:15:33.440 --> 0:15:36.600 And now you are out with a new initiative on 0:15:36.680 --> 0:15:37.720 American citizenship. 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:39.440 We can put this up on the screen. 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:44.880 American Compass has this new reclaiming American Citizenship initiative announced 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.800 last night, And we might have to add this in post, 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:50.640 but just announced and or we're going to ask you 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.640 all about what you're trying to do on the right 0:15:54.520 --> 0:15:57.960 to build a sort of initiative or to build a 0:15:57.960 --> 0:16:00.240 framework for how the right should be thinking about in 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:02.120 ship right now, especially as. 0:16:01.960 --> 0:16:03.760 Let's put F one on the screen. 0:16:04.280 --> 0:16:10.040 This is protests erupting outside of Delaney Hall in New Jersey, 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:12.840 and Ryan, you could probably tell us more about the 0:16:12.920 --> 0:16:16.000 left's mobilization here. Obviously this is over the treatment of 0:16:16.080 --> 0:16:19.800 people detained, which again it gets us back to this 0:16:19.920 --> 0:16:22.040 conversation about what it means to be a citizen and 0:16:22.040 --> 0:16:22.400 the like. 0:16:22.440 --> 0:16:24.440 But the left is outside of Delaney Hall. It doesn't 0:16:24.440 --> 0:16:26.160 seem to be going anywhere right. 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:30.120 There are there are hunger strikes going on inside over 0:16:30.800 --> 0:16:34.120 on the one hand, over conditions, also access to different 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:39.160 kinds of food, also over the protesting kind of the 0:16:39.280 --> 0:16:43.280 entire apparatus. We could actually roll F four because Hassan 0:16:43.320 --> 0:16:46.000 Piker was there recently. Earlier on the show, we talked 0:16:46.000 --> 0:16:49.040 about Adam Hamoy, new Jersey congressional candidate who just won. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:52.440 Last night, Hammoey and Hassan Piker went to the Delaney 0:16:53.040 --> 0:16:56.720 protests and here's Piker reading out some of the demands 0:16:56.760 --> 0:17:00.119 from the hunger strikers and protesters inside. 0:17:00.480 --> 0:17:03.240 What are these Lady Hall hunger strikers demanding? Many people 0:17:03.240 --> 0:17:05.480 have questions about what is happening inside of the Laney Hall. 0:17:05.960 --> 0:17:08.919 The detainees on hunger strike have stated that their demands 0:17:08.920 --> 0:17:11.960 are Number one, to meet with the governor. They want 0:17:12.000 --> 0:17:14.560 to meet with Governor Mickey Cheryl to go inside of 0:17:14.600 --> 0:17:18.240 the facility and meet the actual detainees. Number two, they 0:17:18.240 --> 0:17:21.399 want the release of the medically vulnerable people. They demand 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:24.720 the immediate release of those with serious medical conditions. Number three, 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:29.399 release young and elderly detainees. They demand the immediate release 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.920 of young and elderly people. In number four, freedom, We're 0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:36.200 not striking to demand better conditions and treatment. We're going 0:17:36.520 --> 0:17:39.400 We're doing this to demand our freedom. And they've said 0:17:39.440 --> 0:17:42.240 that they're going to continue the strike until they get hurt. 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.840 The hunger strike is not about improving the conditions of 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:48.120 the facility necessarily, but to meet these demands. 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:57.800 Most recently, they want medical attention at. 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:01.280 Play for and protesters have altered only accused New Jersey 0:18:01.280 --> 0:18:04.840 Governor Mikey Cheryl of either you know, collaborating with with 0:18:05.000 --> 0:18:09.199 ice here or abandoning them, but meanwhile put up F 0:18:09.240 --> 0:18:14.919 three here. She has sued the sued the facility over 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:20.679 unsanitary conditions and in particular for barring access to health inspectors. 0:18:20.680 --> 0:18:23.040 She has said, you know, if there's actually nothing to hide, 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:26.160 if everything's fine in there, why are you blocking state 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:32.520 health inspectors from from going from going inside. About ten 0:18:32.560 --> 0:18:36.520 ten thousand plus people have gone through this facility, most 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:40.119 of them, I think the medians stay is about nine days. 0:18:40.480 --> 0:18:43.000 I think seventy percent or so have no criminal record, 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:48.400 which means it's some thirty percent due and so foreign. 0:18:49.880 --> 0:18:54.359 You know, thank thanks for being here. The piece, the 0:18:54.359 --> 0:18:58.560 piece that you wrote, you know, it's it's this an 0:18:58.560 --> 0:19:01.120 elevent you can describe becase, this elevation of the idea 0:19:01.480 --> 0:19:04.760 of citizenship. As I and as I was reading it, 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.760 I was thinking, like, as far as I understand, as 0:19:09.800 --> 0:19:13.240 far as I remember, the idea of citizen kind of 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:16.359 originates sort of with the French Revolution, I think the 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:21.080 American Revolution which inspired the French Revolution. But people, you know, 0:19:21.119 --> 0:19:23.639 people in the streets of Paris were calling themselves like 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.200 citizen so and so, citizens so and so, And the 0:19:27.280 --> 0:19:31.439 purpose was to do pretty much what you're suggesting in 0:19:31.480 --> 0:19:34.679 the in the essay here, which is to establish kind 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:38.800 of a level of baseline humanity and equality among the people, 0:19:38.880 --> 0:19:42.080 and to say the Republican. Yeah, well there's that too, 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:44.760 and to say that we write and a call back 0:19:44.800 --> 0:19:48.879 to that, to say that we we have duties and 0:19:48.960 --> 0:19:53.359 responsibilities to you know, to the to the state. There 0:19:53.359 --> 0:19:55.720 are things that we are obliged to do for the state, 0:19:55.880 --> 0:19:57.600 and there are things the state that is obliged to 0:19:57.600 --> 0:19:59.879 do for us because we are citizens. And it's a 0:20:00.080 --> 0:20:01.879 and it's a two way street. I don't know, how 0:20:01.920 --> 0:20:03.880 do you like, how do you think about it? 0:20:04.320 --> 0:20:06.080 I guess I would put a little differently, I think, 0:20:06.119 --> 0:20:08.680 for one thing, to Emily's point, you know, the citizen 0:20:08.720 --> 0:20:11.320 concept goes back to Rome and the Roman Republic, and 0:20:11.359 --> 0:20:15.200 it was certainly very central to the American founding. 0:20:15.320 --> 0:20:17.719 I guess it's a contemporary issue. 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.639 Well sure, I mean French Revolution. French Revolution is a 0:20:20.640 --> 0:20:22.919 strange place to go as the start. You're right, they 0:20:22.960 --> 0:20:25.720 called each other's citizens. But I think also, you know, 0:20:25.800 --> 0:20:29.399 this captures a way in which the French relation is 0:20:29.400 --> 0:20:33.080 obviously less successful. I think most people would say, and 0:20:33.320 --> 0:20:36.080 how you're describing as kind of just a fundamental claim 0:20:36.119 --> 0:20:38.679 of equality of things that that the people owe to 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:42.720 the state. I think this is what's most important about citizenship, 0:20:42.760 --> 0:20:45.600 which is that it's a it's a reciprocal obligation among 0:20:45.840 --> 0:20:48.760