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Speaker 2: Welcome back to another edition of the Giants Little Podcast.

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Speaker 2: John Schmoke with you. It's all brought to you by Citizens,

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Speaker 2: the official bank of the New York Giants. Joined today

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Speaker 2: by front of the program Albert Breer, who is the

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Speaker 2: lead NFL reporter for Sports Illustrated, among other things on

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Speaker 1: Albert, good to see man.

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Speaker 3: How are you good to see you? John?

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Speaker 1: All right, so you're here covering the Giants.

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Speaker 2: I like to ask the national guys do they come

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Speaker 2: here a simple question to start the show, to kind

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Speaker 2: of kick us off when you show up here to

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Speaker 2: the Giants, what's the first thing you want to ask about,

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Speaker 2: find out or get a little in depth on when

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Speaker 2: you talk to the people around the organization.

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Speaker 4: You know, I I think the quarterback thing's obviously been

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Speaker 4: sitting out there and Daniel Jones now nine months off

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Speaker 4: of surgery, whereas he at you know, obviously the other night,

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Speaker 4: you know, things didn't go his way and early No,

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Speaker 4: you're right, you know, I'm kind of seeing where seeing

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Speaker 4: where he's at coming out of that it will be interesting.

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Speaker 3: So I think we, like with a lot of.

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Speaker 4: Teams, you're looking at what's happening in quarterback, whether it's good, bad,

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Speaker 4: somewhere in the middle. I'd say right now, they're probably

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Speaker 4: somewhere in the middle, you know. And then you know,

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Speaker 4: I think the amount of buzz that Malik Davers has

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Speaker 4: I have had the chance to see Marvin Harrison and

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Speaker 4: Roma Donze. Oh tell me about my trip, you know,

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Speaker 4: so like getting to see them versus neighbors, which I think,

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Speaker 4: I think these three guys have a chance. This has

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Speaker 4: a chance to be you know, like the Julio aj

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Speaker 4: Green class, you know. And you know, it was interesting

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Speaker 4: because when I first heard like, oh, like, well there

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Speaker 4: might be a team or two that likes Maleaku more

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Speaker 4: like pre draft ps and we sort through a lot

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Speaker 4: it wasn't really an upfront to Marvin so much.

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Speaker 3: As it was a compliment to Maleik. And like where

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Speaker 4: If you know one of them is Julio, then the

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Speaker 3: Good player as well. And so yeah, I mean what

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Speaker 3: I saw from Marvin was everything looks easy for him.

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Speaker 4: He's so smooth and just the way he is able

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Speaker 1: A six to three guy that moves like crazy.

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Speaker 4: It's amazing when you look at like just and you know,

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Speaker 4: Brian Hartline, who's his receivers coach and now the offensive

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Speaker 3: Able to kind of move and throttle down out of

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Speaker 4: Say, he moves like his dad did, because he's his

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Speaker 4: Which makes him really unique. Rome is just I mean,

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Speaker 3: But that's the sort of the style of player I.

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Speaker 4: Think Rome becomes as an NFL player, maybe not quite

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Speaker 3: That's a really high bar, but that style of player.

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Speaker 4: excited to see it in person, but my week Neighbors

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Speaker 4: is kind of the guy who is very fast, can

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Speaker 4: And then you know, I think a huge swing factory.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody in this building would disagree with that.

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Speaker 4: This like a huge swinging factor for the team is

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Speaker 4: going to be how the offensive and defensive lines play,

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Speaker 4: but but yeah, like getting to see what the offensive

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Speaker 4: really that's kind of how those two groups play. I

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Speaker 2: Agree one hundred percent with everything you said. So let's

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Speaker 2: dig into the first thing you said, because I do

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Speaker 2: think and look, we took calls on our show after

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Speaker 2: the Giants game against Houston, all the calls about Daniel Jones.

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Speaker 2: That's what Giants can talk about right now. That's just

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Speaker 2: we are we're at right. That's the sport, right, That's

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Speaker 2: that's the sport.

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Speaker 3: It's like it's like every team.

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Speaker 2: If you want to win, you need a quarterback. That's

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Speaker 2: the way it goes, Right. So when you say the

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Speaker 2: Giants are in the middle, what do you mean by that?

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Speaker 4: I think it's maybe not knowing exactly what you're going

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Speaker 4: was really good two years ago. Obviously, last year you

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Speaker 1: Of course, what was going on around him was also before.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And so obviously this is a critical year for

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Speaker 4: And so what they get out of that position, what

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Speaker 4: he looks like versus you know, and what has he

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Speaker 3: Gonna have a massive impact on what this looks like.

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Speaker 3: And I do think that they've done a good job

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Speaker 4: Roster to a point now where you know, like I'll

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Speaker 4: don't need him to be Superman. But you know, they've

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Speaker 4: they can do that next year, they can sell out

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Speaker 4: and go get a quarterback if it doesn't work out.

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Speaker 4: So just from a big picture standpoint, like that's what

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Speaker 4: I don't think it's the worst quarterback situation in the league.

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Speaker 4: It's certainly not the best. And I think that there's

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you told me about building around him. I think the

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Speaker 2: Giants seem to think that I'm not going to use

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Speaker 2: a big part of that is Common Brisilla, a guy

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Speaker 2: that I'm sure you knew from your time covering the

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Speaker 2: Patriots a.

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Speaker 1: Lot up there.

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Speaker 2: So what do you think the impact he's gonna have.

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Speaker 2: And he's brought a couple of his guys from Vegas

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Speaker 2: they could theoretically be a little bit better at every

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Speaker 2: And a new offensive line coach. How do you think

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Speaker 4: I mean, I think the first part of it is

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Speaker 4: the scheme is a big part of it, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: And Carmen comes from a system that's i mean proven

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Speaker 4: And you know, I obviously I have like at a

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Speaker 4: I was there when Steven Neil was turned from a

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Speaker 3: You know, I was there to see what they were able.

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Speaker 4: To do when they had guys go down, and they

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Speaker 4: had built like such versatility into what they were doing

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Speaker 4: where you know, when they they they lost their left tackle,

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Speaker 1: Spin on the line, and use a bunch of first

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Speaker 1: round picks. They just kind of they were they were.

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Speaker 3: Able to they were able to develop it. So you

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Speaker 3: hope that you kind of Brasila can bring a little

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Speaker 3: bit of that too.

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Speaker 5: You're ready for a change. Payday comes early with citizens,

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Speaker 5: so go to that retreat, knew you moves to the country.

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Speaker 5: Now you're raising goats and launching a lifestyle brand. Are

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Speaker 5: you ready for all that? Life breaks?

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Speaker 2: No question about it. And then the wide receiver room,

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Speaker 2: I think, and we've already talked about neighbors a little bit. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: he makes a big impact. And I think when you

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Speaker 2: look around the league, Albert, when you can put that

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Speaker 4: You know, the question becomes how quickly you can get

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Speaker 4: You know, now in his third year as a head coach,

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Speaker 3: When when when? When when you can really get an

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Speaker 2: switch to the defense quick before you kind of go

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Speaker 1: How do you see this whole thing coming together on

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Speaker 2: It was a very different system than when Marndale had

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, I think it one of the big

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Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty six year old pass rushers that have had

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Speaker 4: Like if you want to match up you can Deontay

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Speaker 4: I mean, Dallas clearly has a lot going on a

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Speaker 3: And there's still talent there. There's always talent in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: Right, But those are two, I mean tent pole leaders.

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Speaker 4: Jordan Davis and Jalen Carter and Jalen Carter and Jalen

440
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Speaker 4: Carter could be a monster for them.

441
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Speaker 3: So they've got players. So how is the.

442
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Speaker 4: Leadership change coming out of last year with those two

443
00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:32,720
Speaker 4: guys gone? And then you consider, you know, you go

444
00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,080
Speaker 4: to the to the coaching level and you've got two

445
00:19:35,080 --> 00:19:38,320
Speaker 4: new coordinators and Callen Moore and Vic Fangio, and you know,

446
00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:40,000
Speaker 4: I know, for Nick like one of the big things

447
00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,160
Speaker 4: has been trying to recreate the mix that they had

448
00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,720
Speaker 4: there two years ago. They felt they had a really

449
00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 4: special camaraderie and they've spent a lot of time trying

450
00:19:47,160 --> 00:19:50,440
Speaker 4: to recapture that, right, like what they had during their

451
00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,239
Speaker 4: Super Bowl run. They're going to need it, you know,

452
00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,560
Speaker 4: because there is so much change there, and so yeah,

453
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Speaker 4: I mean, I think both Philly and Dallas are are

454
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,440
Speaker 4: really talented, but you know, some of.

455
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Speaker 3: The changing circumstances there certainly could affect where they go.

456
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Speaker 1: How quickly could the commanders do this?

457
00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,560
Speaker 2: You think under Dan Quinn rookie quarterback worried me their

458
00:20:11,560 --> 00:20:14,080
Speaker 2: offensive line and their secondary on defense, and those are

459
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Speaker 2: two things that I'm having trouble convince myself.

460
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Speaker 4: I would say, I would say I would say that

461
00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,840
Speaker 4: if you're a commander's fan, your hope should be for

462
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Speaker 4: them to ascend as the year goes on, So like

463
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,919
Speaker 4: they might be three and.

464
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Speaker 3: Six, can you get to like where you're flirting with

465
00:20:32,560 --> 00:20:33,960
Speaker 3: five hundred at the end of the year.

466
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Speaker 4: They feel really good about their rookie class. You know.

467
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,960
Speaker 4: Jaden obviously has been great, you know, and he's checked

468
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:44,720
Speaker 4: every box. And I was with the Jets yesterday and

469
00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,600
Speaker 4: they were like, this kid's gonna be a star, really really,

470
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,320
Speaker 4: really good and they saw him in a practice setting,

471
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Speaker 4: you know. But they also feel really good about Mikey

472
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 4: Sandrusol comes from Michigan, who they feel like has been

473
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Speaker 4: I mean, I loved him coming. You be a captain

474
00:20:58,920 --> 00:21:03,679
Speaker 4: as a rookie, you know this, So not Brandon the

475
00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:05,960
Speaker 4: tight end from k State, Brandon Coleman, who could be

476
00:21:06,000 --> 00:21:08,440
Speaker 4: their left tackle. They feel really good about the young

477
00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 4: players they have, but they're still really young, and they're

478
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Speaker 4: gonna be relying on a lot of young.

479
00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:14,040
Speaker 3: Players in a lot of key spots, and.

480
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Speaker 4: You know, they know they've got some work to do

481
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Speaker 4: from a roster standpoint, where it's like on the perimeter, right,

482
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,720
Speaker 4: so tackle, edge, rusher, corner, like, they've got major questions.

483
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:26,680
Speaker 4: Receiver a little bit less so because they've got Terry

484
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 4: McLaurin there. But you know, you like, they've got to

485
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:34,800
Speaker 4: fill multiple premium positions and you can't do that.

486
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Speaker 3: All in one offseason.

487
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Speaker 4: So I think the hope for them has to be

488
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,720
Speaker 4: they're able to get the program off the ground, be

489
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Speaker 4: really competitive over the first half of the season, and

490
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Speaker 4: then start to put that over the top of the

491
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Speaker 4: few wins at the end of the season where you're

492
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Speaker 4: really excited about where you're at going into twenty twenty five.

493
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Speaker 4: I like what Dan Quinn and Adam Peters are doing there.

494
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Speaker 4: It's just not it's not an overnight fix.

495
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Speaker 5: You love her, You're good at it. So you start

496
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 5: a turf biz business grows, your savings grow, become the

497
00:22:05,280 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 5: most celebrated name in turf. Are you ready for all

498
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Speaker 5: that life rings?

499
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Speaker 3: No?

500
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Speaker 1: I'm with you on that.

501
00:22:13,640 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 2: As you travel around the league, you visit a bunch

502
00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 2: of training camps who are maybe two teams that you

503
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,719
Speaker 2: don't think enough people are talking about that could make

504
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,080
Speaker 2: some noise in the league this year that you've liked

505
00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,640
Speaker 2: what you've seen traveling the different games.

506
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Speaker 3: So I I think Seattle's really interesting.

507
00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:33,200
Speaker 1: Okay, good division.

508
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,160
Speaker 4: Because they have like and that's the thing. I'd almost

509
00:22:35,160 --> 00:22:37,280
Speaker 4: say the same thing about Arizona because both those teams

510
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:44,160
Speaker 4: have a huge classes, like draft classes, like unrookie contracts.

511
00:22:44,240 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 4: So in Seattle it's the second and third year guys.

512
00:22:48,000 --> 00:22:50,119
Speaker 3: In Arizona's the first and second year guys.

513
00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 4: And like, I just I think where Seattle's at like

514
00:22:53,800 --> 00:22:56,119
Speaker 4: coming out of the Pete Carroll era with Mike McDonald

515
00:22:56,119 --> 00:22:59,399
Speaker 4: being there, and you have Gino who is a steady

516
00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,880
Speaker 4: veteran press and play well, really really well. He doesn't

517
00:23:02,880 --> 00:23:05,040
Speaker 4: get the credit he deserves, but played really well. Kenneth

518
00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 4: Walker when I was there, I mean if you want

519
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 4: a fantasy, I'll already hear draft Kenneth Walker.

520
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,560
Speaker 3: He's gonna be really good for them.

521
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,080
Speaker 4: The young tackles, you know Charles Cross and Abe Lucas,

522
00:23:15,080 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 4: who they drafted a couple of years ago. You know,

523
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:21,760
Speaker 4: Jackson Smith and Jigbaw. You know on the defensive side,

524
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,440
Speaker 4: you know, Byron Murphy is a rookie, they expect him.

525
00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:26,960
Speaker 3: To be really good. There's no way he was gonna

526
00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,959
Speaker 3: be available where he was.

527
00:23:28,119 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 4: And you know on that defensive line, they've got boy

528
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 4: A Mafe and Derek Hall, and then in the secondary

529
00:23:33,960 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 4: Reequellen and Devin Witherspoon. It's just you start to go

530
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 4: down the list and it's like there's a lot of

531
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,040
Speaker 4: impressive young players where those guys can all collectively take

532
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:41,560
Speaker 4: a step.

533
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Speaker 3: You know, they could sneak into the playoffs. That'd be one.

534
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Speaker 1: I like that one in the AFC.

535
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,280
Speaker 4: See like, it's hard to find a surprise team in

536
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Speaker 4: the AFC, because I.

537
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Speaker 3: Mean the one that I think, the one team that

538
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:57,320
Speaker 3: I think is getting.

539
00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,680
Speaker 4: A little overlooked that I think could be a problem

540
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,720
Speaker 4: is Indianapolis. And I just think that because I think

541
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 4: Shane Steike is excellent. I think A huge part of

542
00:24:06,800 --> 00:24:08,760
Speaker 4: why Jalen Hurts took a step back last year was

543
00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 4: losing Shane Styke, I agree with a massive part of

544
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,680
Speaker 4: their super Bowl team two years ago. And yeah, I

545
00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:16,479
Speaker 4: think he did an excellent job last year. And they

546
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,679
Speaker 4: were on the doorstep of the playoffs after losing their

547
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:20,719
Speaker 4: quarterback in the first month of the season and they

548
00:24:20,720 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 4: had to rejigger what they were doing offensively to fit

549
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:29,639
Speaker 4: Gardner Minshew rather than Anthony Richards. Yeah, and so and

550
00:24:29,680 --> 00:24:33,200
Speaker 4: then you know, like they they really feel good about

551
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:34,720
Speaker 4: their rookies, like layout to.

552
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Speaker 3: Lats coming in from UCLA.

553
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 4: Now his health is a question, but can if he

554
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:42,000
Speaker 4: can stay healthy, should be excellent. Ady Mitchell has made

555
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:45,480
Speaker 4: a good impression there early on. Yeah, Like I just

556
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,119
Speaker 4: think I just think, like you look at like that

557
00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:51,679
Speaker 4: team and that coaching staff, and I have a lot

558
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:53,640
Speaker 4: of faith in Shane's ability. And I'm not saying they're

559
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,120
Speaker 4: gonna they're gonna beat out, you know, a really good

560
00:24:56,200 --> 00:25:00,199
Speaker 4: Houston team in the AFC South, but I wouldn't be

561
00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 4: surprised if that division comes down to the last you know,

562
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,440
Speaker 4: two or three weeks, because Indianapolis is I think strong

563
00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 4: enough across the board to to to be there in

564
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Speaker 4: the end, and that division in general is another one

565
00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 4: that I think scotten a little bit better.

566
00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,879
Speaker 1: To the two divisions the Giants play. Just two more questions.

567
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 2: Is the AFC North, which is going to be a

568
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 2: blood bath this year, and then the NFC South which

569
00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,159
Speaker 2: is kind of a blood bath in a different way.

570
00:25:24,200 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: A bunch of the both divisions have teams really closely.

571
00:25:26,320 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: I think there are different tiers, but they're teams that

572
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Speaker 2: I think both divisions are going to be super competitive.

573
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Speaker 1: How do you see those two divisions kind of bringing

574
00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:32,919
Speaker 1: down a little bit.

575
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, so I would say the NFC South, you know,

576
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: you want to talk about not getting enough credit.

577
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,840
Speaker 3: Tampa has been in the playoffs four years in a row.

578
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: Has it really been four years in a row?

579
00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,080
Speaker 3: They've been in the playoffs four years in a row

580
00:25:44,320 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 3: in the Brady years. It makes sense.

581
00:25:45,359 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 4: They lose Brady, they lose Brady, they still win the division.

582
00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,399
Speaker 4: You know, Baker, I think has found is in a

583
00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:56,000
Speaker 4: really good place right now and like still like a

584
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,480
Speaker 4: really well balanced roster, you know, and you've got a

585
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:01,840
Speaker 4: lot of guys there that have rings, you know, so

586
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,440
Speaker 4: you know, your Mike Evans, your Chris Godwin's your your Levante,

587
00:26:05,520 --> 00:26:09,399
Speaker 4: David's your Vitaves, like there's Tristan Wurf's, like there's a

588
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,639
Speaker 4: lot of guys that were there for the championship. So

589
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,960
Speaker 4: I I, I know there's excitement over Atlanta. I'd be

590
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 4: a little concerned about their defense me too, you know,

591
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 4: going and getting Judah and Simmons. I think it's help,

592
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:23,159
Speaker 4: it will help, and I think it's also confirmation that

593
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:26,679
Speaker 4: they that's a good point, you know, And then I think,

594
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 4: so I would, I'm I'm I haven't made my pick yet.

595
00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 3: I think I'll pick Tampa when the South and.

596
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,480
Speaker 2: Then I'm sure the Saints think they're gonna be in

597
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,040
Speaker 2: the mix there too. I'm not sure if they will be,

598
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:37,240
Speaker 2: but I'm sure they think they're gonna be.

599
00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 3: Yeah, the Saints.

600
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 4: The Saints is just it's a matter of like, you know,

601
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,360
Speaker 4: some of your key players not getting old there, guys

602
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:44,520
Speaker 4: who've been there forever.

603
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 1: A very boring team, but they but they're still gonna

604
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:48,280
Speaker 1: win like some exactly.

605
00:26:48,400 --> 00:26:48,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

606
00:26:48,680 --> 00:26:51,439
Speaker 4: So like you know, Caamara's got mileage on his on

607
00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:53,200
Speaker 4: his legs, Like how does he look coming back?

608
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 3: Is a Lottimore still got it as number one corner.

609
00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,200
Speaker 3: How does Cam Jordan Jordan and as there as their

610
00:26:58,320 --> 00:26:59,560
Speaker 3: primary pass rusher.

611
00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, the ac Nor should be exciting, man, Like I

612
00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 4: I like the Browns make the playoffs with five different quarterbacks.

613
00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh was in the playoffs again, I you know, what

614
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 4: is that going to look like a quarterback? I think

615
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:16,760
Speaker 4: that's still an open question. You know, Baltimore's Baltimore. I'm

616
00:27:17,640 --> 00:27:19,879
Speaker 4: I think Cincinnati has a chance to be in the

617
00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 4: super Bowl. And I just think Burrow went through a

618
00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 4: lot over the last nine months. I still think, like,

619
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,800
Speaker 4: you know, for my money, if you're talking about a quarterback,

620
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:32,879
Speaker 4: you're drafting a quarterback for.

621
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Speaker 3: The next ten years.

622
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 4: It's my homes and then it's boroughs nice.

623
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:39,760
Speaker 3: I think he plays a sustainable game.

624
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:43,880
Speaker 4: The injury was a scary thing for him, but he's

625
00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 4: kind of coming through that now. And I think there's

626
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,840
Speaker 4: real urgency there because they know, you know, relatively soon

627
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:53,320
Speaker 4: they're gonna have to build the roster a different way.

628
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 4: So probably t Higgins last year there, Jamar Chase is going.

629
00:27:56,560 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 3: To get paid.

630
00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:59,520
Speaker 1: He's gonna show off right right.

631
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 4: That will work out, like and I think part of

632
00:28:01,560 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 4: its waiting on what happens at LAMB Trey Hendrickson. You know,

633
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: that's another contract situation they've got.

634
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,400
Speaker 3: To work out, But I think it will get worked out.

635
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,720
Speaker 4: I do think that there's an urgency there. And as

636
00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,320
Speaker 4: part of why they were reluctant to move Higgins, even

637
00:28:15,600 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 4: though they know, like all right, like you know, like

638
00:28:18,480 --> 00:28:22,160
Speaker 4: this is probably a one year thing, is because they

639
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 4: do feel like they've got a really special group in

640
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:25,080
Speaker 4: house now.

641
00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 3: They want to give that group a chance to make

642
00:28:26,960 --> 00:28:27,719
Speaker 3: a real run at it.

643
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:29,959
Speaker 2: So similar to what Sanford's trying to deal with Ayuk, right,

644
00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,680
Speaker 2: they want they want to make the.

645
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,080
Speaker 4: One I just said it with Indianapolis, like that team

646
00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:36,720
Speaker 4: almost made the playoffs with Jake Brown.

647
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:38,959
Speaker 1: I mean, was right there with Jake Brown last week

648
00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: of the year.

649
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:39,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

650
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: So I think, uh, I think Cincinnati's got a chance

651
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 4: to not just win the North, but win the conference.

652
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: My final question is, I thought you kind of when

653
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 2: you talk about Washington needed a real good job kind

654
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:54,840
Speaker 2: of framing what their season should look like and what

655
00:28:54,880 --> 00:28:57,240
Speaker 2: their fans should be thinking about when they watched them.

656
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:58,760
Speaker 1: So I said the same question about the Giants.

657
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,400
Speaker 2: As we close here, as fans embark on twenty twenty four,

658
00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: here what should be their goals or expectations realistically, what

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Speaker 2: should they be hoping to see as the season kicks off.

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Speaker 4: My goal if I were, if I were, you know,

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Speaker 4: like being realistic about it, and now we're working in

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Speaker 4: this building, I think the goal would be that the

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Speaker 4: young talent.

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Speaker 3: Comes together midway through the year.

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Speaker 4: And what I said about the Commanders, I would say

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Speaker 4: it on another level of the Giants because they are

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Speaker 4: a better roster than the Commanders right now. They're further

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Speaker 4: along in the building process, and I think getting it

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Speaker 4: to a point where you can manage around Daniel Jones

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Speaker 4: and you can get the most out of Daniel Jones,

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Speaker 4: because I think that's what they were so effective with

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Speaker 4: two years ago.

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Speaker 3: And that's going to take being.

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Speaker 4: Right on the offensive line, being right about John Runy,

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Speaker 4: and being right about Jermaine or Luminoor, getting more out

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Speaker 4: of Ev and Neil, Like having better answers up front,

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Speaker 4: I think is the first part of.

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Speaker 3: It, you know, and then defensively the.

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Speaker 4: Pass rush being what they think it can be on paper.

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Speaker 4: So I think like this has got potential because they're

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Speaker 4: so strong on the lines of scrimmage. And one thing

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Speaker 4: I've learned over twenty years covering the league, is like

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Speaker 4: if you are if you're good on the lines.

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Speaker 3: Of scrimmers, you're gonna be in every game.

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Speaker 4: You have a chance, right, Like I think this can

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Speaker 4: be a team that can learn how to win again.

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Speaker 3: And I wouldn't rule them out winning the division.

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Speaker 4: Like I think they've got the potential to win the division,

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Speaker 4: but a lot of things have to come together. And

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Speaker 4: again like those things might not come together until week six,

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Speaker 4: week eight, and you know, same sort of things with

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Speaker 4: the commanders, like you'd hope things would come together where

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Speaker 4: you've got a chance to get hot in November and December.

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Speaker 2: I know you're on with Dan Patrick and he talked

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Speaker 2: to you about the front office and the head coach.

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Speaker 2: My sense is that and just from working in the

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Speaker 2: building that Joe Shane and Brian David have a pretty

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Speaker 2: good handle on this and how they want to build

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Speaker 2: this and how they're bringing things together. And from watching

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Speaker 2: hard not so, I'm sure you did as well. Seems

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Speaker 2: like ownership has faith in them to do this the

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Speaker 2: right way. Just what's your take on on kind of

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Speaker 2: chain and dable and kind and how they've done this

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Speaker 2: the last couple of years.

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Speaker 4: I think they've done a good job, you know, and

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Speaker 4: I think they were realistic about it, you know, where

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Speaker 4: it was going to take some time and there was

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Speaker 4: going to have to be a teardown to build back up.

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Speaker 4: And I do think part of it.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if you look at like what.

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Speaker 4: Happened in Buffalo, it's sort of similar, right where in

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Speaker 4: twenty seventeen they made the playoffs for the first time

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Speaker 4: in forever, I think it was the first time in

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Speaker 4: eighteen years, and and you know Joe and Joe was there,

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Speaker 4: Daves wasn't there yet, but they went through that, they

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Speaker 4: established their program in Buffalo, and then that sort of

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Speaker 4: helped facilitate the rebuild where they showed whether it's ownership,

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Speaker 4: players whatever, like we have a blueprint that works, and

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Speaker 4: then okay, like now we've got to reset the roster,

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Speaker 4: and now we've got to shed the dead cap, and

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Speaker 4: now we have to go get the quarterback. And so like,

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Speaker 4: I think Buffalo is the template. And I know that

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Speaker 4: that's been kind of drilled into the ground here, but

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Speaker 4: it's true, Like the template it is, you know, like

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Speaker 4: you have gone.

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Speaker 3: And you've you've.

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Speaker 4: You've given everyone proof of concept in year one. You

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Speaker 4: came back and you reset in year two and changed

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Speaker 4: a lot of things in the roster. I took it

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Speaker 4: on the chin a little bit, and now, you know,

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Speaker 4: I think you have a chance to go forward and

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Speaker 4: build something sustainable.

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Speaker 1: So and you said ownership will be patiently Yeah, And.

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Speaker 4: I think so yeah, Like I I honestly, John, I

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Speaker 4: I you know, and I got that question. It's sort

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Speaker 4: of like I mean, it's it's amazing how quickly we

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Speaker 4: forgot how good they were a year ago.

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Speaker 3: And how it seemed like those guys were going to

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Speaker 3: be around for ten years.

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Speaker 1: They won't Coach of the year.

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Speaker 4: Now these questions, now, these questions come up, and it happens.

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Speaker 4: It feels like it keeps happening faster. The one thing

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Speaker 4: I would say is I just I can remember the

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Speaker 4: end of Joe Judge and Dave Gettleman here, and I

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Speaker 4: I can say I'm pretty good authority Like John Marra

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Speaker 4: didn't want to fire those guys. Like John Marra, I

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Speaker 4: don't think wanted to be the guy who had gone

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Speaker 4: through three different two.

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Speaker 1: And outs, macad Judge right and going.

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Speaker 4: To and out too and out too and out like

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Speaker 4: he never like he never wanted the Giants ever to

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Speaker 4: be there, and no one does. But like their view

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Speaker 4: of their own franchise was never, you are never.

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Speaker 1: That they want to be like the Steelers.

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Speaker 3: Even if you're bad, you are never.

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Speaker 1: They want to be like the Steelers.

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Speaker 4: We have the same coach for fifteen years, right, and

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Speaker 4: so to get yourself out of that, at some point

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Speaker 4: you got to stop doing it, you know. And so

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Speaker 4: I think the intention was we're gonna stop doing that

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Speaker 4: with Joe Judge as our head coach, and that didn't

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Speaker 4: work out. So I I think, you know, John Mahra

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Speaker 4: near the rest of ownership, like, I think.

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Speaker 3: They're going to have resolved to stay the course with

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Speaker 3: this group.

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Speaker 1: Albert, what a wealth of the knowledge. We really appreciate it, man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for doing this. Always here for you whatever

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Speaker 1: you need. Thank you so much for the time.

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Speaker 3: All right, thanks Sean.

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Speaker 1: That's the Giants Plug podcast, brought to you by Citizens

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