1 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:14,600 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:19,239 Speaker 1: me your girl, Daniel Moody recording from the Home Bunker, Folks. 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:26,160 Speaker 1: I will say this that the decisions that are coming 4 00:00:26,239 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: out of this administration as it pertains to the continued 5 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: humanitarian crisis that is happening at the hands of the 6 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:41,200 Speaker 1: IDF in Gaza, the looking away that the United States 7 00:00:41,280 --> 00:00:44,800 Speaker 1: government is doing as we are seeing pictures come out 8 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:51,720 Speaker 1: that show terror tactics being used on Palestinian men and boys. 9 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:59,080 Speaker 1: The idea that you would have a US government official 10 00:00:59,160 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: when asked, and I've posted this exchange in my stories 11 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:12,440 Speaker 1: on Instagram, when asked by Sky News if they supported 12 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:18,040 Speaker 1: the images that have been circulating of men and boys 13 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,480 Speaker 1: being stripped down to their underwear and thrown in the 14 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:31,720 Speaker 1: back of IDF military vehicles and being detained. Understand first 15 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:38,080 Speaker 1: that the detentions that Palestinian people are put under are 16 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: basically they are held without any type of due process. 17 00:01:42,520 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: The people that were released in the exchange for hostages 18 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: are people that never even knew in large cases what 19 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,960 Speaker 1: the fuck they were being held for in the first place. 20 00:01:56,920 --> 00:02:00,320 Speaker 1: They never saw a judge, right, they were just picked 21 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: up and put in jail indefinitely. So when the US 22 00:02:06,440 --> 00:02:11,600 Speaker 1: government's response is, oh, we're asking them to look into it, 23 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:15,680 Speaker 1: and oh, we find the images disturbing. And the follow 24 00:02:15,760 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: up question from Sky News was so, either you condemn 25 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: the images or you don't. Either you still have leverage 26 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: with the Israeli government or you do not, And you 27 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: could see the growing irritation and frustration from the US 28 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:39,160 Speaker 1: official who was trying to make it seem as if 29 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:44,520 Speaker 1: this reporter was, you know, asking a quote unquote gotcha question. 30 00:02:46,000 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: This is not a gotcha question. Either you are a 31 00:02:49,880 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: democracy that condemns acts of terror or you don't. I 32 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,919 Speaker 1: don't understand why we need to get a better picture 33 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 1: of the nuance here. It's bullshit, and it's becoming increasingly 34 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: increasingly fucking difficult to stand up and tell people that 35 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,920 Speaker 1: they need to vote to save democracy when clearly we 36 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:23,959 Speaker 1: don't give a fuck about democracy elsewhere. One hundred and 37 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 1: fifty three nations signed on to the UN resolution for 38 00:03:30,040 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: a ceasefire because eighteen thousand. 39 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 2: People are dead and a majority of them are children 40 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 2: and women, because that's how you ensure there are no 41 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:47,160 Speaker 2: further generations. 42 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:55,120 Speaker 1: So, folks, you know, I find myself some days in 43 00:03:56,240 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 1: absolute tears, in dismay, just you know, weighted by grief, 44 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: and the challenges that we are facing right now just 45 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 1: feel in some ways insurmountable because we don't seem to 46 00:04:16,839 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: have a government that actually gives a shit. And I 47 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 1: don't know how I personally continue on the grounds of 48 00:04:34,800 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 1: we have to fight to preserve and sometimes we have 49 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: to fight to hold on because folks, I understand the 50 00:04:42,360 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: anger and the pain because I feel it. I also 51 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:51,359 Speaker 1: know that things will get incredibly fucking worse, irreversibly. So 52 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:57,320 Speaker 1: if Donald Trump is in the White House again, we 53 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: are absolutely between a rock and an hard place. We 54 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:06,599 Speaker 1: are absolutely not in the place of luxury where we 55 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,440 Speaker 1: get to be excited about and put on T shirts 56 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:12,320 Speaker 1: for a knock on doors for a candidate who we 57 00:05:12,400 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: believe in. That's not where the fuck we are, and 58 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: we just have to get over it. It is disgusting. 59 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: It is a hard fucking pill to swallow, and I 60 00:05:21,920 --> 00:05:24,200 Speaker 1: ask you to take in as much water as possible 61 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,599 Speaker 1: in order to do so, because that's what I'm doing. 62 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: I'm not out here raw ryeing for Biden. I'm not. 63 00:05:35,440 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: I never have been. I did when he was able 64 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: to usher in the vaccines I did when he was 65 00:05:41,520 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: able to topple Donald Trump. But that wasn't about Biden. 66 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 1: It was about the people of the United States recognizing 67 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:51,800 Speaker 1: the stakes that I pray to God that we continue 68 00:05:51,839 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: to do so in twenty twenty four, because you know, 69 00:05:57,040 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: what we are seeing is disgusting and indefensible. Because if 70 00:06:06,800 --> 00:06:09,640 Speaker 1: you were to swap out those fucking pictures and put 71 00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:14,760 Speaker 1: it in Ukraine, then this president would be all full 72 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: throated and have a whole fucking lot to say about 73 00:06:17,839 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: Putin and his tactics and being a war criminal. But 74 00:06:23,760 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 1: somehow that is not the case here. And the question 75 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 1: that we have to keep asking ourselves is why. Coming 76 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: up next my conversation with the founder of Spread the Vote, 77 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:46,240 Speaker 1: the executive director Kat Calvin, who has joined our show before, 78 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: to discuss the ID crisis in this country and how 79 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: it affects our ability to vote, to move, and for 80 00:06:55,960 --> 00:07:00,080 Speaker 1: people to have a voice in our democracy. That conversation 81 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 1: is coming up next, folks. I am very happy to 82 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: welcome back to wok F Daily the founder of Spread 83 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:17,960 Speaker 1: the Vote, which is a nonprofit organization working closely with 84 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 1: some of America's most vulnerable population, including the incarcerated Cat Calvin, 85 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: welcome back. We are at a precarious time. And I 86 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: say this because while I know that it's eleven months 87 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 1: out from an election, the rumblings that I'm hearing from 88 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:47,680 Speaker 1: people who follow me, from people who I am friends with, 89 00:07:48,800 --> 00:07:53,400 Speaker 1: are not good about their feelings about voting right now. 90 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: This is your bread and butter, your you know of 91 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 1: your business, and so I just want to start off 92 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: with asking you what are you hearing right now? 93 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 3: Nothing good? I'm you know. 94 00:08:08,920 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 4: The situation that we've been in for many cycles over 95 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 4: the past years, are everyone's sort of feeling forced to 96 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 4: choose the lesser of two evils, right. We're very rarely, 97 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 4: particularly in national elections. You may have like a city 98 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 4: council member or something that you like, really love, but 99 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 4: for bigger elections, for Congress, for president, I'm you know, 100 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:33,920 Speaker 4: even obviously a lot of times for governor. For bigger elections, 101 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: it's usually I hate both of these people, but I 102 00:08:36,800 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 4: hate this person less writer. I hate both of these people, 103 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,120 Speaker 4: but one of them is want to be fascist, right 104 00:08:42,200 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 4: or something like that, And so I'll just vote for 105 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 4: the lesser of two evils, and like it's exhausting, it 106 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,400 Speaker 4: gets hard. It's also you know, we're at like, what 107 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 4: is this the fifth election cycle where the message is 108 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:55,640 Speaker 4: vote or it's the end of democracy? 109 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? 110 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so that is. 111 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,480 Speaker 4: What we've had over and over and over, and people 112 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 4: have shown up over and over and over. And the 113 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: problem is on both sides of the aisle, both parties 114 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:14,280 Speaker 4: have completely failed their voters in every way. I'm for Republicans, 115 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,680 Speaker 4: I mean we even now have Republicans in Congress saying, 116 00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:19,960 Speaker 4: can you give me one thing we've done that I 117 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,319 Speaker 4: can go back to my voters with and they can't. 118 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:26,600 Speaker 4: For Democrats, not only have they absolutely not done anything, 119 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 4: but the positions they support are increasingly untenable to more 120 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 4: and more of their voters, and not just sort of 121 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:38,280 Speaker 4: young people or the TikTok crowd. My mother, my aunt's, 122 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:40,560 Speaker 4: you know, my grandmother are all like, what is going on? 123 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,640 Speaker 4: How can they be supporting these issues? What are they doing? I' 124 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 4: And so now we're at a point where voter it's 125 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 4: the end of democracy? 126 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 3: Is it working? 127 00:09:51,400 --> 00:09:54,880 Speaker 4: Because neither side really seems to be standing up for democracy? 128 00:09:55,200 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 4: And we keep showing up and voting and working. I mean, 129 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 4: the American people have worked hard since twenty sixteen, to 130 00:10:02,760 --> 00:10:06,640 Speaker 4: help make elections, you know, fair, to help get people 131 00:10:06,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 4: to the vote. Have really put their hearts and souls 132 00:10:08,720 --> 00:10:10,440 Speaker 4: into it over and over and over, and they've been 133 00:10:10,440 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 4: failed over and over. And I think we're at a 134 00:10:12,240 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 4: moment right now where between you know, the many genocides 135 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 4: happening around the world, between the economy. They keep telling 136 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:25,599 Speaker 4: us the economy is great, but I don't know anybody 137 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 4: who isn't a millionaire who doesn't feel the economy is 138 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 4: absolutely failing them right, and the desperation and failures on 139 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,800 Speaker 4: every front, and everyone's looking around at this you know 140 00:10:35,920 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 4: nation burning down around us and saying, well, we keep 141 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 4: saving democracy and it's not doing anything. 142 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,040 Speaker 3: And I think that we are in real trouble next. 143 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 4: Year because it is again going to be an election 144 00:10:47,760 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 4: between two people everybody hates. But this time, I don't 145 00:10:51,840 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 4: know what argument can be made, particularly on the dem side, 146 00:10:56,720 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 4: that voting for Biden again is going to do anything, 147 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 4: because we've now seen that's he's not much better than 148 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,400 Speaker 4: anybody else who we could choose. 149 00:11:06,760 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 1: I think it's and I hear everything, and those are 150 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:12,440 Speaker 1: exactly the responses that I'm getting right now from people 151 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: and I'm just like, I just want you to imagine 152 00:11:15,480 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 1: what could be potentially worse than the four years that 153 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: we experienced under Donald Trump. Like, if you are hurting now, 154 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: I want to know what you think will happen with 155 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: somebody that says that they want to be a dictator 156 00:11:29,600 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: and they are saying so out loud to rousing applause 157 00:11:33,160 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: that when they put people in camps like that, they'll 158 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: continue that. And so what should the narrative be if 159 00:11:41,080 --> 00:11:43,720 Speaker 1: it can't be we need to save democracy again. 160 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 3: I mean, here's the thing. 161 00:11:45,040 --> 00:11:46,920 Speaker 4: Trump at least is saying out loud he wants to 162 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 4: be a dictator, but Biden is spending our tax money 163 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 4: funding a genocide, right, and so like this is the 164 00:11:52,040 --> 00:11:55,000 Speaker 4: problem is that you know that I was in a 165 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 4: meaning today and I got this news alert from The 166 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 4: Atlantic saying that ty had said out loud that he 167 00:12:01,120 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 4: wants to be a dictator, and I sort of like 168 00:12:02,640 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 4: saw it to like write it out to everybody, And 169 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 4: everyone's response was sort of like, I mean, at least 170 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 4: he's honest, you know, like, at least you know what 171 00:12:08,480 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 4: you're gonna get. But we keep voting for these dums 172 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 4: who we know are a little bit or a lot racist, right, 173 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 4: who we know are mostly owned by corporations who we're 174 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 4: not I mean, we're not seeing democracy in action right now, 175 00:12:22,360 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 4: and so I think that's the problem. You know, what 176 00:12:25,520 --> 00:12:28,400 Speaker 4: needs to happen on both sides of the aisle is 177 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:31,560 Speaker 4: both parties need to say we are not going to 178 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:36,120 Speaker 4: have these same men run as our candidates, right, because. 179 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 3: We're also now seeing how many I mean now Mansion wants. 180 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 1: To run a third party campaign. 181 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 4: Right, Joe Stein hasn't learned a damn thing, right. But 182 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:46,199 Speaker 4: of course all these third parties. There's these two women 183 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:48,679 Speaker 4: who are women of color and they're socialists, and they're 184 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 4: running and they're really taking off on TikTok because young 185 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:53,320 Speaker 4: people are like, young women of color, who is socialist, 186 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 4: Let's vote for them? And this is the thing, right, 187 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 4: there's so many third parties that seem attractive. And what 188 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 4: the Republicans and what the Democrats need to do is 189 00:13:00,240 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 4: going to Trump, who's about to be a convicted fella, 190 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:04,679 Speaker 4: and go to Biden, who everybody hates, and say, you 191 00:13:04,720 --> 00:13:07,240 Speaker 4: guys aren't running, We're gonna have primaries, we're gonna choose 192 00:13:07,240 --> 00:13:10,360 Speaker 4: someone else. But you can't, you cannot they're not gonna 193 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:12,959 Speaker 4: do this because it takes balls of the type that 194 00:13:13,720 --> 00:13:14,800 Speaker 4: politicians don't have. 195 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 3: But no, they are. 196 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:19,160 Speaker 4: We're now gonna have two nine hundred year old white 197 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,280 Speaker 4: men who have failed this country over and over again 198 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 4: running And I don't know what the answer is. I 199 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 4: don't you know, because what what kind of democracy is 200 00:13:30,080 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 4: worth saving if it's the kind that we are living 201 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:34,040 Speaker 4: in now? 202 00:13:34,920 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 1: Right, I've had a nightmare the other day as a 203 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 1: black queer woman in this country that like it's either 204 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:49,680 Speaker 1: I'm gonna have to either I'm gonna need to go 205 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: underground or like be in a cam and like I 206 00:13:53,880 --> 00:13:56,600 Speaker 1: want to tell myself that I'm just making up paranoid 207 00:13:56,720 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: stories and it and it could never possibly happen. But 208 00:13:59,640 --> 00:14:03,480 Speaker 1: the fact is that all of our worst fears can 209 00:14:03,640 --> 00:14:07,679 Speaker 1: and will happen, particularly if Donald Trump becomes president again. 210 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 1: But I am someone who does not want to sell 211 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:14,960 Speaker 1: people fear, right, like I want to sell you hope 212 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:17,520 Speaker 1: of you know the fact that you do have the 213 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:21,800 Speaker 1: power to shape this very imperfect democracy. But the fact 214 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: is that you're right. We're looking at what is happening 215 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,080 Speaker 1: in Gaza, We're looking at where our tax dollars are 216 00:14:28,120 --> 00:14:32,200 Speaker 1: going we're looking at what the lives that is ripping apart. 217 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: We say that we give a shit about children, and 218 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: clearly we do not, right, But as black people, we 219 00:14:38,280 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 1: knew that. 220 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 3: Right, And that's the thing. 221 00:14:40,080 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 4: We don't care about children in this country. And you know, 222 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 4: it's interesting that this conversation sort of keeps happening on 223 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 4: so many different levels, because you know, during COVID, we 224 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 4: magically solved child hunger in America. 225 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:57,240 Speaker 3: We were like, oh, you know. 226 00:14:57,200 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 1: What, as for a beat, well, just for a hot minute, 227 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: we could do that. 228 00:15:01,360 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: And then the second they could, they were like, never mind, 229 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 4: way to let kids starve again. Right, Like, we solved 230 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 4: child hunger in America and then made the active, involuntary 231 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 4: decision to allow children in this country to starve again. 232 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:17,040 Speaker 4: So anyone who's surprised that we don't care about brown 233 00:15:17,120 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 4: children dying in any other country, right, Like anyone who 234 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: doesn't care about the fact that we're not even talking 235 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 4: about the genocides in Congo and Sudan has got a 236 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,440 Speaker 4: saying about those. No, but those are all based on 237 00:15:29,840 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 4: our and the Western worlds, where we are the biggest 238 00:15:32,640 --> 00:15:36,040 Speaker 4: economic engine of that. It's our fault, right, And I 239 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 4: think that that's what's frustrating for people. And it's particularly 240 00:15:38,120 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 4: frustrating because us as citizens, we would not make these choices, 241 00:15:43,360 --> 00:15:46,720 Speaker 4: and we would gladly make sacrifices to not have those 242 00:15:46,720 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 4: things happen. I think probably every millennial Gen z Er 243 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,880 Speaker 4: and Gen x or would happily throw our iPhones into 244 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 4: the ocean if we knew that that would end a genocide, right. 245 00:15:57,280 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 4: And we saw this during apartheid, right when it was 246 00:15:59,200 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 4: students who were chaining themselves to their classrooms and shutting 247 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 4: down colleges saying you have to defund from the businesses 248 00:16:09,840 --> 00:16:11,160 Speaker 4: that are funding a part time right. And it was 249 00:16:11,400 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 4: those kinds of movements we see over and over again, 250 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 4: like if we have the choice of where our taxes 251 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 4: were being allocated, we'd have the best education systems and 252 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:21,280 Speaker 4: the best healthcare in the world. 253 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 3: And so I think that's what's most frustrating is we're. 254 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 4: Being forced to pay for these things. We're being forced 255 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 4: to not feed children in this country, which no one 256 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 4: would voluntarily choose. And I think that's you know, and 257 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 4: the argument that we always make with folks is eighty 258 00:16:39,640 --> 00:16:43,840 Speaker 4: percent of the decisions that are made that impact your 259 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 4: life are made. 260 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 3: By state and local government. 261 00:16:46,360 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 4: So even if you hate your member of Congress, even 262 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,600 Speaker 4: if you hate you're the president, whatever, the people who 263 00:16:52,600 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 4: are really impacting your life are city council, board of supervisors, right, 264 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 4: your state, rap et cetera. But even now that argument 265 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:08,800 Speaker 4: doesn't really wash because we are watching that twenty percent 266 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:13,359 Speaker 4: impact the world and impact us in ways that are massive. 267 00:17:13,400 --> 00:17:15,439 Speaker 4: I mean, look at you know, it's the eight percent 268 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:17,480 Speaker 4: interest rate to buy a house right now, right which 269 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:21,119 Speaker 4: it was impossive for most people. It was two percent, 270 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 4: you know, and so like it's everything. I think we're 271 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 4: at a point and everyone sees it, accept the people 272 00:17:27,400 --> 00:17:29,280 Speaker 4: in power, which is unbelievable to me. 273 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: Oh no, not see it. They just don't give a 274 00:17:31,400 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: damn right because they're projected. 275 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 3: They don't care. 276 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 4: We're at this point and we've seen this. We saw 277 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 4: this in Nazi journey in Germany. Right, We see this 278 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:47,160 Speaker 4: in every single country where the people voluntarily choose a dictator, 279 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 4: it's because their country is at this exact point. There 280 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:52,399 Speaker 4: was a really good opinion piece in Washington Post. I 281 00:17:52,440 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 4: think I came out yesterday the day before, but he 282 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,240 Speaker 4: literally broke down like this is actually how Trump can 283 00:17:58,440 --> 00:18:00,840 Speaker 4: easily become a dictator. And he is exactly right on 284 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 4: every point. And he made the point at the end 285 00:18:02,800 --> 00:18:04,160 Speaker 4: where he was like, you know what, you could say 286 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,520 Speaker 4: that I'm being overreacting. You could say there are a 287 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:10,520 Speaker 4: million things that could happen, that maybe that this will happen, 288 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 4: but look at the. 289 00:18:11,800 --> 00:18:13,600 Speaker 3: Reality of the situation. Mean's not wrong. 290 00:18:13,600 --> 00:18:15,440 Speaker 4: And if you look at history, this is how it 291 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 4: Loo came to power because Germans felt this way after 292 00:18:17,960 --> 00:18:21,920 Speaker 4: the war right, and so we I don't know, I've 293 00:18:21,920 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 4: been trying so hard to figure out because you know, 294 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:26,639 Speaker 4: we've got to start our election work in January. 295 00:18:26,640 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 3: We start really early, yep. Yeah, and it's already. 296 00:18:30,480 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 4: Really difficult to talk to folks who are unhoused, to 297 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 4: talk to folks who are returning citizens, who are former 298 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 4: foster youth. You know, the people we work with are 299 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,720 Speaker 4: the people the government absolutely does not care about. You know, 300 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 4: we just put out a report. We have a national 301 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 4: program to help incarcerated people vote, and we work really 302 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:50,639 Speaker 4: hard and we have a seventy nine percent turnout rate 303 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:53,040 Speaker 4: among acarcerated voters. And it takes a lot of work 304 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:56,120 Speaker 4: to try to convince folks who are incarcerated to vote right, 305 00:18:56,440 --> 00:18:59,399 Speaker 4: But I don't know what our message is going to 306 00:18:59,480 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 4: be because it's it's difficult to find where that hope is. 307 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:11,520 Speaker 1: And that's the thing is like, again, you are working 308 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:14,160 Speaker 1: with the population of people that on a good day, 309 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 1: on a great day, people don't care about right, let 310 00:19:17,920 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: alone elected officials. And so now that we are in 311 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:26,199 Speaker 1: a series of very good terrible bad days, no good days, 312 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: it's like, how do you convince people that they have 313 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: power to your point when it's just like, aha, and 314 00:19:33,080 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: I voted the last you know, the sky is falling 315 00:19:36,600 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, twenty twenty. You know here I am twenty 316 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: twenty two. You know here I am now again on 317 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 1: the precipice of twenty twenty four. And if I'm looking 318 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: from that span of time, is my life better? Right 319 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:57,359 Speaker 1: for a lot of people, No, it's not. It's measurably not. 320 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,359 Speaker 4: Who has to go to the grocery store knows that 321 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 4: it's not right. I and that I know, and that's 322 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 4: you know, And it's so it's hard to because people 323 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 4: aren't stupid. And I think that one thing that social 324 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 4: media and you know, I have a lot of respect 325 00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:16,920 Speaker 4: for the kids on the TikTok which I'm too old. 326 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: I look at it. I'm like, you guys are doing 327 00:20:19,440 --> 00:20:20,159 Speaker 3: You're doing all right. 328 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:21,920 Speaker 4: I mean some of you maybe not stop trying to 329 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 4: sell me things I don't want. But you know, they 330 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 4: put things together and then they now have the medium 331 00:20:28,440 --> 00:20:31,719 Speaker 4: to be able to spread these messages. And so, you know, 332 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:36,600 Speaker 4: once people started to understand the amount of money that 333 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:40,440 Speaker 4: gets sent to Israel every year, the amount of money 334 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 4: that we've spent on the war in Ukraine, right, all 335 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,679 Speaker 4: of these things, and they're putting comparables together. And this 336 00:20:45,720 --> 00:20:47,440 Speaker 4: is the thing I've been, you know, for a long 337 00:20:47,480 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 4: time doing because I'm trying to convince Congress to pass 338 00:20:51,080 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 4: ability in every one ninety I'm and you know, it 339 00:20:54,160 --> 00:20:58,000 Speaker 4: would cost America about twenty billion dollars to sell homelessness, 340 00:20:58,680 --> 00:21:00,960 Speaker 4: which is a lot less than we spend on a 341 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,879 Speaker 4: lot of foreign worths. It's less than we're spending on 342 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 4: murdering children in Gaza, right, Like, And people are putting 343 00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:08,639 Speaker 4: this together, and they're like, wait a second. For the 344 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 4: amount of money we've spent, we could have better healthcare, 345 00:21:11,119 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 4: we could have this or that, but I have all 346 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 4: these you know, I'm credit card debt is at an 347 00:21:15,920 --> 00:21:19,320 Speaker 4: insane hi in America and no one has any savings. 348 00:21:19,680 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 4: And you know, their story after story after story of 349 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 4: all these people working three or four jobs and they're 350 00:21:24,520 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 4: having one or two meals a day, and yet we 351 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 4: have the money. 352 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,040 Speaker 3: To murder people, right I. 353 00:21:31,440 --> 00:21:33,440 Speaker 4: You know, Jeff Bezos is getting into real estate now, 354 00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:37,080 Speaker 4: So good luck to anyone who wants to have a 355 00:21:37,160 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 4: roof over their heads in the next twenty years. And 356 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,600 Speaker 4: I think that's that is where we are now. And 357 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 4: it's hard. It's hard to talk to people, to people 358 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 4: about building a bench. And you know, oh, well, there's 359 00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:51,760 Speaker 4: these young people of color and they're queer, they're immigrants 360 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 4: this or that, and they're running and if we vote 361 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 4: for them in forty years. 362 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:57,680 Speaker 3: Maybe one of them will be a senator. Right Like, 363 00:21:58,080 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 3: it's a hard argument. 364 00:21:59,200 --> 00:21:59,960 Speaker 1: It's a hard argument. 365 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 3: And the Democratic Party is not helping. No you, no, 366 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,880 Speaker 3: I'm the Republicans aren't interested in helping. And so it is. 367 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:14,920 Speaker 4: I don't know anyone right now who has any sort 368 00:22:14,920 --> 00:22:18,640 Speaker 4: of answer besides the thing we always keep hearing, well, 369 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 4: you have to save democracy, you know, vote to save 370 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:22,879 Speaker 4: your vote. It's like, well, I'm voting to save my 371 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,439 Speaker 4: vote for what purpose? Because the vote keeps feeling wasted, 372 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 4: like it's those those same arguments aren't going to work, 373 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:29,120 Speaker 4: and there really needs to. 374 00:22:29,119 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 3: Be a fundamental shift in how. 375 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:42,720 Speaker 4: Both parties, but particularly the Dems, choose to operate. I mean, really, 376 00:22:42,720 --> 00:22:44,679 Speaker 4: what needs to happen is, you know, Biden needs to 377 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:49,440 Speaker 4: not run, right, I'm Trump needs to not run. If 378 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:54,920 Speaker 4: it's you know, Nikki Haley and and you know one 379 00:22:54,960 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 4: of the cash Frow brothers like that, you know, that's 380 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 4: a race people can get be hided. It's just they 381 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 4: need to understand that having these same people. You know, 382 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 4: McCarthy is stepping down now, thank god, maybe McConney. 383 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,760 Speaker 1: I mean, ain't nobody wanted him there in the first camp, 384 00:23:10,200 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: you know, But now now we're looking at a potential 385 00:23:13,520 --> 00:23:17,639 Speaker 1: one seat majority the Republicans will have in the House. 386 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:19,360 Speaker 1: So oh dear God. 387 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 3: More and nothing's gonna happen. You know. 388 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,199 Speaker 4: Look, I hate to say it, but how did we 389 00:23:23,280 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 4: just have a whole pandemic that killed senior citizens but 390 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 4: it didn't kill any of the most evil one suit 391 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 4: we actually need to die. 392 00:23:33,359 --> 00:23:36,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. The Grim Reaper is off. I don't know. 393 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:41,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. Valid question valid not a one of them. 394 00:23:41,880 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: Oh dear god, it's because they Oh I'm sorry, wait no, 395 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 1: let me say this. Why didn't happen? Because they have 396 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:51,879 Speaker 1: the healthcare the rest of us don't. They have the 397 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 1: access to the platinum health care package that our tax 398 00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 1: dollars are paying for. So that's why. 399 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:00,240 Speaker 4: And you know, it's funny because I I think a 400 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 4: lot of people don't know. So there last week. I 401 00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:05,760 Speaker 4: think maybe even were, but there were, you know, all 402 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 4: of these sort ninety nine year old was very prominent, 403 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 4: ninety nine one hundred. 404 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: Ye Kissinger, Santadey O'Connor, yeah, passed away yep. 405 00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 4: And you know all of these people are like, how 406 00:24:16,800 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 4: are they all living so long? And I and I 407 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:21,560 Speaker 4: actually saw a TikTok on this and I realized, Oh, 408 00:24:21,600 --> 00:24:28,440 Speaker 4: people don't know that there are wildly expensive, extraordinary health 409 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 4: care services for the wealthy. 410 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:34,359 Speaker 1: You know, you can go full body scans yep, the 411 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 1: executive the executive. 412 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,560 Speaker 4: Executive health memberships and things like that, yep. At all 413 00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,480 Speaker 4: of these university hospitals and Johns Hopkins, et cetera. They 414 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 4: have them, and you can, you know, you pay twenty 415 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:48,360 Speaker 4: five thousand or something. I had a friend in undergrad 416 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:49,800 Speaker 4: who came from I had a lot of friends Underrada 417 00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:51,879 Speaker 4: came from very wealthy families. But one of them, her 418 00:24:51,960 --> 00:24:55,679 Speaker 4: grandmother was very sick. But they had you know, the 419 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 4: executive whatever at Johns Hopkins, and she was telling me 420 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,359 Speaker 4: about what the health services were like, and like they 421 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,080 Speaker 4: have a private suite and they do this and that 422 00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:07,159 Speaker 4: and whatever, and that's how these people live for so long. 423 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 4: And I think that people are just starting to wake 424 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040 Speaker 4: up to how drastic the inequality is. 425 00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 3: I don't think, you know, most Americans. 426 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,320 Speaker 4: And it's interesting because actually Canada is also at a 427 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,040 Speaker 4: really bad place right now. And I think most people 428 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 4: have not understood because it's been all of these secrets 429 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:31,720 Speaker 4: of the wealthy, like of what actually they have access 430 00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:35,879 Speaker 4: to when you can lose your home because your child 431 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 4: was in the hospital for a week, right I And 432 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:42,679 Speaker 4: people have no idea, And now they're starting to figure 433 00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:45,439 Speaker 4: it out, and they're starting to realize, like, wait a second, 434 00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:50,480 Speaker 4: even when it comes to something as basic as just 435 00:25:50,600 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 4: surviving COVID, every single two hundred year old in Congress 436 00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:58,680 Speaker 4: came out just fine, and yet my grandparents and parents 437 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,000 Speaker 4: are not and ancles passed away. Why is that is it. Well, 438 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 4: it's because of the inequality and healthcare. They were always 439 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 4: going to be fine. They will always be fine. 440 00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: Let me tell you something. I am so grateful for 441 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 1: you for bringing up that very clear distinction, because it's 442 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 1: something that I have been thinking and saying privately but 443 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:26,160 Speaker 1: just not publicly. And that is one hundred percent right. 444 00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,919 Speaker 1: It's like every time that I get to notice that 445 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: one of these that one of these hundred year old 446 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,920 Speaker 1: have passed away, my thing is, oh, you know, rest 447 00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: in power for you and your platinum healthcare. While we 448 00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:44,240 Speaker 1: have while since COVID, the life expectancy in America fell 449 00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:48,440 Speaker 1: rolled back about two years and for black people rolled 450 00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: back about three to five yep, right, And we're just like, oh, well, 451 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,119 Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. And the reality is 452 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: it isn't. 453 00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:56,359 Speaker 3: And you know, even. 454 00:26:56,280 --> 00:27:00,440 Speaker 4: For for seniors who are not wealthy. You know, obviously 455 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,840 Speaker 4: we have this huge divide between like the way boomers 456 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 4: understand the world and what the rest of us do. 457 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:10,680 Speaker 4: But you know, so my grandmother is ninety two and 458 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,480 Speaker 4: I'm she was in civil service for her whole career, 459 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,960 Speaker 4: and my grandfather was in the military until he died 460 00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:22,159 Speaker 4: in seventy three. My grandmother has Tricare, which is the 461 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:25,640 Speaker 4: military health insurance for life. He passed away in seventy three. 462 00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,880 Speaker 4: She still has it. She has Medicare, and she has 463 00:27:28,920 --> 00:27:31,119 Speaker 4: a third health insurance. I can't even think of. 464 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:31,359 Speaker 2: Right. 465 00:27:31,640 --> 00:27:37,000 Speaker 4: She has access to so much because in the seventies, 466 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:39,240 Speaker 4: if you were a civil servant, if your husband was 467 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,200 Speaker 4: in the military, or even if you got a pension, 468 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,399 Speaker 4: way you still had all of that. So she's ninety 469 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 4: two and she'll have it forever. And I am so 470 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,600 Speaker 4: grateful for that because it's my grandmother, and she has 471 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 4: incredible She has a home blood pressure machine and we 472 00:27:51,920 --> 00:27:54,479 Speaker 4: have to take her blood pressure every day, and if 473 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,400 Speaker 4: it's just a little bit low, somebody calls and asks 474 00:27:57,440 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 4: eighty five questions to make sure she's okay. And it's 475 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 4: not even because she's a millionaire. 476 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:03,639 Speaker 3: She's not. 477 00:28:03,680 --> 00:28:07,159 Speaker 4: It's just because they had those things set up, and 478 00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:10,280 Speaker 4: those things are dying out. There's probably nobody under fifty 479 00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,720 Speaker 4: who has access to those services because they're going to expire, 480 00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:16,679 Speaker 4: as all of these older generations expire, and so then 481 00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,320 Speaker 4: they look at us and they don't understand why we 482 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 4: don't have, you know, four forms of health insurance or 483 00:28:22,840 --> 00:28:24,879 Speaker 4: can't buy a house for fifty two cents, right. 484 00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 3: Or all of these things right. And you know, I 485 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 3: was just reading an article. 486 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 4: That the biggest percentage of people buying homes right now 487 00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:35,880 Speaker 4: is boomers buying their second, third, fourth house because they 488 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:37,679 Speaker 4: have all the equity from the house they bought for 489 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 4: nothing when they wear a grocery store clerk in sixty four. 490 00:28:40,680 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 3: Right. And so there's this. 491 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:48,240 Speaker 4: Gap because Joe Biden, you know, and anyone in power, 492 00:28:48,480 --> 00:28:50,680 Speaker 4: they have no concept of what the world actually looks 493 00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 4: like right now. Yeah, and so there's no way that 494 00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:58,280 Speaker 4: they even can adjust it or make it work for us, 495 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,600 Speaker 4: even if they wanted to, which they don't, you know, 496 00:29:02,600 --> 00:29:04,880 Speaker 4: And they don't listen. They just dismiss the few young 497 00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,520 Speaker 4: people who are in Congress. 498 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 3: They don't listen to them. They don't care. 499 00:29:07,960 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 4: They have no power. You have no power in Congress 500 00:29:10,040 --> 00:29:13,760 Speaker 4: until you've been there for eighty five years. And so 501 00:29:14,640 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 4: we you know, And yet they're living longer and longer 502 00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 4: and longer. They're actually I don't know how people aren't 503 00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 4: talking about this. I read this in Scientific Americana, which 504 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 4: is one of my favorite magazines, a couple of years ago, 505 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 4: maybe even one or two. But uh, scientists have actually 506 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,719 Speaker 4: cracked aging. They have figured out how to reverse aging, 507 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 4: and they can even do it by a certain number 508 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:36,880 Speaker 4: of years, right, because they could say, well, we want 509 00:29:36,920 --> 00:29:39,000 Speaker 4: to reverse it ten years before you got cancer or whatever. 510 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,600 Speaker 3: This is the thing now that will actually be available 511 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: in pill form in a couple of decades. You know 512 00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 3: who's gonna get it? You and I are not getting 513 00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:48,959 Speaker 3: this now. 514 00:29:49,040 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 4: And we're both really relatively privileged black women, and we 515 00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:53,719 Speaker 4: still will not get this. 516 00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:54,080 Speaker 3: Right. 517 00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:56,480 Speaker 4: But Norman Lear could have lived to two hundred and 518 00:29:56,520 --> 00:29:59,240 Speaker 4: fifty if he just waited around until that pill came out. Right, 519 00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 4: McConnell will never well evil. 520 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 3: It's keeping that man alivee. But like, you know, these. 521 00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,080 Speaker 4: People are going to be living longer and longer and 522 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 4: longer because in their generation, you know, they all Biden 523 00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 4: has literally been running for president since I was born. 524 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:18,840 Speaker 4: Because back then, when you were in your thirties and forties, 525 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:20,120 Speaker 4: that's when you got into power. 526 00:30:21,040 --> 00:30:22,600 Speaker 3: But now millennials are in our. 527 00:30:22,520 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 4: Thirties and forties and we can't because they're still hanging 528 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:27,320 Speaker 4: around in their nineties. 529 00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:32,760 Speaker 1: You know, it's just it's so disheartening. And this is 530 00:30:32,840 --> 00:30:35,000 Speaker 1: I mean, just to bring it back full circle as 531 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:38,200 Speaker 1: we close out like this, This is the reason why 532 00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: people have become disenchanted with voting with the systems, because 533 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:47,720 Speaker 1: while these people continue to hang on right to their 534 00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: lives and are able to do so because of wealth, 535 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: right because of access, the rest of us are just 536 00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: left trying to hang on the side of a cliff. 537 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: And that is and that's and that's the reality and. 538 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 4: Completely connects back to why people don't want to vote 539 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:05,360 Speaker 4: right now because they are hanging on to old values. 540 00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 3: You know, even Obama, who. 541 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,160 Speaker 4: I frequently have beef with and I particularly have beef 542 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,680 Speaker 4: with now, who was like, ugh, well, you kids are 543 00:31:12,720 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 4: only you know, upset about Gaza because you're on the TikTok. 544 00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 4: It's like, no, we're upset about it because children are dying, right. 545 00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 4: But they're so far removed, and so they keep making 546 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 4: policies and laws and political statements that are based on 547 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:31,880 Speaker 4: a political world that existed twenty. 548 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: Three twenty years ago, you know, just like you know. 549 00:31:34,080 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 4: Biden's entire Democratic Convention when he was running was all 550 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:40,840 Speaker 4: about how what great Frindsy is with Republicans because he 551 00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 4: did not understand that that work across the aisle stuff 552 00:31:43,120 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 4: is not work anymore, right, and so no one wants 553 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 4: to vote because we're voting for people, or we're supposed 554 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,520 Speaker 4: to vote for people who are fighting for a. 555 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 3: World that hasn't existed in ages. 556 00:31:54,200 --> 00:31:56,520 Speaker 4: And it's really hard to look at a twenty two 557 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 4: year old who already grew up in a world where 558 00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,840 Speaker 4: they we're taught very clearly the adults in charge in 559 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:04,920 Speaker 4: this country do not care if someone is going to 560 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 4: shoot you in your classroom. They're not going to do 561 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,880 Speaker 4: anything about it. They've already been taught that the adults 562 00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:14,640 Speaker 4: in power don't care if you're going to run out 563 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 4: of water and the polar ice caps are going to 564 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:20,719 Speaker 4: melt and your entire way of life is going to 565 00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:22,480 Speaker 4: have to change because of climate change, they're not going 566 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 4: to do anything about it. They've grown up in a 567 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 4: world where it's been very clear that the adults in 568 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 4: power don't care whether they live or die. And now 569 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:29,920 Speaker 4: we're telling them, okay, but now you have to vote 570 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 4: for those people, even though the world they're trying to 571 00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 4: uphold is a world that is irrelevant to ninety nine 572 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:37,160 Speaker 4: percent of us. 573 00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,200 Speaker 3: And it makes it difficult. 574 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,920 Speaker 4: And I am still, you know, really struggling with what's 575 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:44,960 Speaker 4: our message going to because we're already hearing it. We're 576 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,440 Speaker 4: going to hear it a lot when we are out 577 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 4: there trying to get people to vote next year, of 578 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,120 Speaker 4: why should I? What's going to change? And I don't 579 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:53,320 Speaker 4: have an answer for that right now. 580 00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 1: We will have to come back again figure and figure 581 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:02,680 Speaker 1: this out. But I so appreciate the work that you 582 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: continue to do at a time when it is hard 583 00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: to have hope and you continue to try and spread 584 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,760 Speaker 1: the vote as your organization is aptly titled, because regardless, 585 00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:16,480 Speaker 1: that's what we need to keep doing. So really really 586 00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:17,240 Speaker 1: appreciate you. 587 00:33:17,640 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 3: Well, thank you so much, thanks for having me on. 588 00:33:25,240 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: That is it for me today, Dear friends on Woke 589 00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:31,440 Speaker 1: a f as always Power to the people and to 590 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: all the people. Power, get woke and stay woke as fuck.