Speaker 1: A warning.
Speaker 2: This episode contains depictions of violence and conversations about suicide
Speaker 2: that may be disturbing and triggering for some listeners. If
Speaker 2: you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, please fast forward to
Speaker 2: the end of this episode to find out where help
Speaker 2: is available.
Speaker 1: In the early morning.
Speaker 2: Hours of Thursday, October twenty third, nineteen ninety seven, eighteen
Speaker 2: year old Anastasia Whitble's fuchen is found brutally murdered in
Speaker 2: Lincoln Cemetery. The next day, her friend's eighteen year old
Speaker 2: Byron Case, and his fifteen year old girlfriend, Kelly Moffatt,
Speaker 2: tell Jackson County Sheriff's investigators they have no idea what
Speaker 2: happened to Anastasia after she got out of her boyfriend
Speaker 2: Justin Bruton's car on Truman Road and Interstate four thirty five,
Speaker 2: And they have no idea where Justin might be.
Speaker 3: Is Justin have any places a goes to, like the
Speaker 3: cemetery or certain miles of the land, if you have
Speaker 3: any special place that he's done.
Speaker 4: Not really, I think Barne will probably know that better
Speaker 4: than I.
Speaker 3: Would, because just don't have any of these places that
Speaker 3: he went. Just to think he just stayed at home
Speaker 3: and he never flam anywhere really, but I.
Speaker 5: Mean that, I remember that.
Speaker 3: I know he used to go to coffee shops a lot,
Speaker 3: but he stopped.
Speaker 6: Doing that after a while.
Speaker 2: Two young people, one dead and one missing for investigators
Speaker 2: on a desperate search for answers. The clock is ticking.
Speaker 2: I'm Leah Rothman. This is the Real Killer, Episode two,
Speaker 2: an act of Death. After speaking with Kelly and Byron
Speaker 2: the morning of October twenty fourth, the investigation kicks into
Speaker 2: high gear. Detectives need to find out what happened to
Speaker 2: Anastasia and locate her boyfriend, twenty year old Justin Bruton.
Speaker 2: He's not a suspect, but they definitely have some questions
Speaker 2: for him. So Lead investigator Sergeant Gary Kilgore contacts Justin's dad,
Speaker 2: John Bruton, who has now made it from Tulsa, Oklahoma,
Speaker 2: to Justin's condo in Kansas City. According to police reports,
Speaker 2: mister Bruton tells Kilgore Justin has a passport, but he
Speaker 2: hasn't been able to locate it. Kill Gore contacts Kansas
Speaker 2: City International Airport and speaks with airport police. He wants
Speaker 2: them to be on the lookout for Justin in case
Speaker 2: he tries to leave the country. Sergeant Kilgore then directs
Speaker 2: his attention to finding people who might have seen Anastasia
Speaker 2: on the night of Wednesday, October twenty second, the night
Speaker 2: she was murdered. So he starts at the Dairy Queen
Speaker 2: across the street from Mount Washington Cemetery. That's where Justin,
Speaker 2: Byron and Kelly supposedly met up with her. Sergeant Kilgore
Speaker 2: learns that Don Wright was working that night and actually
Speaker 2: spoke with Anastasia. Here is some of Don Wright's roughly
Speaker 2: eight and a half minute audio taped interview. By the way,
Speaker 2: the interview took place at the Dairy Queen and the
Speaker 2: audios not great.
Speaker 7: She was down here Wednesday night. She was waiting for
Speaker 7: a ride and she had asked and then she'd come
Speaker 7: back back here and asked her when feminine and I
Speaker 7: didn't have one, so my husband got down one, so
Speaker 7: I handed to her and she started talking.
Speaker 2: To me, and Don Wright says that while Anastasia was
Speaker 2: at the Dairy Queen she started her period. Ms Wright
Speaker 2: didn't have anything with her, but because she lived nearby,
Speaker 2: she called her husband and asked him to drop off
Speaker 2: a pad for Anastasia. She goes on to say, she kind.
Speaker 7: Of seemed nervous, a little bit upset, and I asked
Speaker 7: her what was wrong? She goes, what do you mind
Speaker 7: if I asked you question.
Speaker 2: Don Wright says that Anastasia was upset because she thought
Speaker 2: she had plans with her boyfriend, but there was a
Speaker 2: mix up and he made other plans, basically choosing his
Speaker 2: friends over hanging out with her. Ms Wright says, Anastasia
Speaker 2: used the payphone about four times to call her ride,
Speaker 2: which turned out to be her boyfriend.
Speaker 7: And I had one outside to smoke a cigarette in
Speaker 7: this I think it was about nine o'clock.
Speaker 8: I'm not for sure, and.
Speaker 7: It's about nine or so and I've seen her. She
Speaker 7: ran outside because three people told that there was two
Speaker 7: guys and a girl.
Speaker 2: Looking for so don Wright says, two guys and a
Speaker 2: girl came to pick up Anastasia and she could see
Speaker 2: Anastasa I was arguing with one of the guys. Kilgore
Speaker 2: asks when was Anastasia at the Dairy Queen that night
Speaker 2: and ms Wright says between eight and nine pm, and
Speaker 2: she was there until about nine thirty. Kilgore next speaks
Speaker 2: with Suleiman Salet, the owner of the dairy Queen. Mister
Speaker 2: Salet says he also spoke with Anastasia the night of
Speaker 2: October twenty second. Here is some of his roughly six
Speaker 2: minute interview. Again, the audio is not great.
Speaker 9: Really was about seven o'clock and she came in seven
Speaker 9: seven party singing a room.
Speaker 6: But did you hear anything? Yes, I day was dan.
Speaker 6: We'll be telling about that conversation. That she was here
Speaker 6: for a long time, So that's.
Speaker 8: A long time, an hour that hour and a half.
Speaker 9: She asked me she could use the restroom on other
Speaker 9: public restaurant, but I did never use my restrooms.
Speaker 5: That I can use it.
Speaker 6: Or anything.
Speaker 2: Mister Salet says he believed Anastasia was on her period.
Speaker 2: Now it's hard to hear him in this section, but
Speaker 2: it sounds like he says Anastasia asked down right for
Speaker 2: a tampon. Mister Salett goes on to say when he
Speaker 2: went into the bathroom after Anastasia, there was blood in
Speaker 2: the toilet that hadn't been flushed. Mister Salet says that
Speaker 2: Anastasia didn't order anything in the.
Speaker 1: Hour hour and a half she was there.
Speaker 2: She said she didn't have any money, and eventually he
Speaker 2: saw two guys and a girl pick her up between
Speaker 2: eight thirty and nine o'clock. So it seems according to
Speaker 2: miss Wright and mister Salet, Anastasia came into the Dairy
Speaker 2: Queen and was there for some time. She talked about
Speaker 2: her boyfriend, used the payphone multiple times, got her period,
Speaker 2: used the bathroom, and was eventually picked up by two
Speaker 2: guys and a girl. Where they differ is what time
Speaker 2: Anastasia came in. Mister Salet said it was between seven
Speaker 2: and seven thirty. Ms Wright said it was between eight
Speaker 2: and nine. The next place anybody he might have seen
Speaker 2: Anastasia after they left the Dairy Queen, besides the caretaker
Speaker 2: who said he ushered them out of Mount Washington Cemetery
Speaker 2: is on Truman Road near Interstate four thirty five. That's
Speaker 2: where Byron and Kelly said Anastasia got out of Justin's
Speaker 2: car that night. It's also where Justin told Anastasia's dad, Bob,
Speaker 2: she got out of the car. So investigators conduct a
Speaker 2: canvas of the neighborhood businesses. During their canvas, they encounter
Speaker 2: Don Rand, the night mechanic at the Amico Station. Back
Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven, the Amico Station was pretty much
Speaker 2: across the street from the stoplight on Truman Road at
Speaker 2: the four thirty five. After seeing a photo of Anastasia,
Speaker 2: Don Rand tells police that he saw a young woman
Speaker 2: he recognizes as Anastasia walking east across the drive at
Speaker 2: about eight thirty pm the night of the twenty second.
Speaker 2: Mister Rand says he was about fifty feet away. He
Speaker 2: couldn't tell if she was upset or emotional. For investigators,
Speaker 2: this might be the first independent corroboration that Anastasia actually
Speaker 2: got out of Justin's car that night. By the way,
Speaker 2: mister Rand said Anastasia was walking east, which was in
Speaker 2: the direction of her house. The next day, October twenty fifth,
Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore calls Dairy Queen worker Dawn Wright to see
Speaker 2: if she might remember anything else.
Speaker 1: She says she does.
Speaker 2: Ms Wright says she remembered Anastasia was carrying a brown
Speaker 2: purse that night with a zipper top about nine to
Speaker 2: ten inches long and eight to nine inches in height.
Speaker 2: She remembers Anastasia was wearing light colored blue jeans that
Speaker 2: were real baggy. The back of the leg hem would
Speaker 2: drag on the floor. She remembers Anastasia was wearing a
Speaker 2: sandal type shoe with socks. When asked of miss Wright
Speaker 2: is sure Anastasia used the pad her husband brought, she
Speaker 2: said yes, The wrapper from it was seen in the
Speaker 2: bathroom trash.
Speaker 1: So Don writes description.
Speaker 2: Of Anastasia's clothes that night is quite detailed. If she's correct,
Speaker 2: then why was Anastasia found wearing very different clothes black
Speaker 2: jeans and black shoes? And where did our purse go?
Speaker 2: This may be a key piece of information, but it's
Speaker 2: the call that comes in just before two pm that
Speaker 2: same day that's going to change the course of this investigation.
Speaker 2: October twenty fifth, two days after Anastasia's body was found,
Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore received a call from the Johnson County, Kansas
Speaker 2: Sheriff's Department. While on patrol, deputies known as a car
Speaker 2: at an abandoned factory in De Soto, Kansas. That's about
Speaker 2: thirty miles from Kansas City, Missouri. Although it had been
Speaker 2: raining the last twelve hours, underneath the car is dry.
Speaker 2: That tells deputies the car had been there for some time.
Speaker 2: When they walk around to the side of the building,
Speaker 2: they make a gruesome discovery. They see a man lying
Speaker 2: on his back up against the building. He has a
Speaker 2: severe head trauma. Lying next to him is a black
Speaker 2: twelve gage shotgun and one spent round. In the victim's
Speaker 2: back pocket, deputies find a wallet and driver's license. It's
Speaker 2: twenty year old Justin Bruten. When they run the license plate,
Speaker 2: they learned there was a pickup order in regard to
Speaker 2: a homicide in Missouri, so they call it in. Deputies
Speaker 2: are to the car and in the trunk they find
Speaker 2: a box made for a Remington eight seventy shotgun, a
Speaker 2: box of Winchester twelve gage slugs, and a receipt from
Speaker 2: the Bullet Hole Gun Store dated October twenty third, the
Speaker 2: same day Anastasia's body was found. Justin's family is notified.
Speaker 2: His death is devastating and a shock to his family, friends,
Speaker 2: and the community still reeling from the death of his girlfriend,
Speaker 2: Anastasia just two days earlier. Soon, the medical examiner will
Speaker 2: rule Justin's death a self inflicted intra oral gunshot wound.
Speaker 2: The toxicology report will show no drugs or alcohol were
Speaker 2: in a system. Exact time of death unknown, although Justin's
Speaker 2: family will later be told. Investigators believe Justin had been
Speaker 2: dead for quote at least eighteen hours when he was found.
Speaker 2: A couple of days later, investigators go to the bullet
Speaker 2: Hole gun store, which is less than ten miles from
Speaker 2: Justin's home, and interview the man who sold Justin the shotgun.
Speaker 1: On the twenty third.
Speaker 2: They also obtained surveillance video of Justin in the store. Now,
Speaker 2: I have conflicting documentation about the time Justin bought the shotgun.
Speaker 2: One report says the timecode on the video has Justin
Speaker 2: purchasing the gun between nine to eleven am and nine
Speaker 2: twenty five AM. But there's another document that says it
Speaker 2: was purchased between ten and ten thirty am. Either way,
Speaker 2: this is six or seven hours after Anastasia's body was found.
Speaker 2: It should be noted that no one in the public
Speaker 2: knew it was Anastasia at that point, though at seven
Speaker 2: fifteen am on the twenty third, the Jackson County Sheriff's
Speaker 2: Department sent out a media alert saying simply that a
Speaker 2: woman's body had been found in Lincoln Cemetery. Stasia wasn't
Speaker 2: publicly identified until later that day. Why Justin took his
Speaker 2: own life is unknown. He left no note behind. Sergeant
Speaker 2: Kilgore needs to learn more about Justin, so Justin's dad
Speaker 2: allows him to search the condo. There, kil Gore collects clothes, shoes, books,
Speaker 2: a prescription bottle containing three prozac pills, Justin's computer hard drive,
Speaker 2: and a greeting card from Anastasia sent to Justin on
Speaker 2: September nineteenth, nineteen ninety seven.
Speaker 1: Just five weeks earlier.
Speaker 2: In it, Anastasia writes, in part quote, I regret the
Speaker 2: way I behaved last Friday.
Speaker 1: I acted so irrationally.
Speaker 2: I loved being loved by you, and I'm afraid that
Speaker 2: because of what I did, I wiped out any and
Speaker 2: all of the love you had for me. I know
Speaker 2: that now you think of me as an annoying, crazy bitch,
Speaker 2: but we both know that I'm not really like that.
Speaker 2: You couldn't love an adore person like that. She goes
Speaker 2: on to write, please let me know if you ever
Speaker 2: want to be friends or even something more. Until you
Speaker 2: want to talk to me again, I will be trying
Speaker 2: to get my life in order and trying to forget
Speaker 2: how much pain I still feel over losing you. Until then,
Speaker 2: I will do what it seems you would like me
Speaker 2: to do. I will not acknowledge you or talk about
Speaker 2: you to anyone. October twenty eighth, five days after Anastasia
Speaker 2: was murdered, her fifteen year old sister Francesca and father Bob,
Speaker 2: are at the Jackson County Sheriff's Department to speak with
Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore. Both of their interviews are recorded, how my ka,
Speaker 2: I'm like Francesca goes first. Francesca starts by saying, when
Speaker 2: she got home from school that day, Anastasia was dressed
Speaker 2: and waiting, hoping their stepmom Diane would agree to take
Speaker 2: her to meet Justin at Mount Washington Cemetery.
Speaker 6: Do you remember what?
Speaker 10: Yeah, she had on my black shoes. Yeah, she kind
Speaker 10: of doc Martin that kind of like fully warning we'll
Speaker 10: get in.
Speaker 4: And she had on.
Speaker 10: Black pants that kind of like flowd at it as
Speaker 10: a bomb part of the lake.
Speaker 4: She had on a tanker.
Speaker 10: I don't know what kind of shirt her, what she
Speaker 10: was because she had her coat on ready to go out.
Speaker 3: Remember person underwear in the window.
Speaker 11: She had on a black bow.
Speaker 10: I thought she wanted it back to wear, So I
Speaker 10: guess she's gotting on.
Speaker 5: Oa did she played?
Speaker 4: Now? Now, she she didn't have a lot, but she
Speaker 4: left it. I guess.
Speaker 2: The clothes Francesca describes Anastasia wearing that day seem to
Speaker 2: match what she was wearing when her body was found,
Speaker 2: unlike Dairy Queen employee Don Write's description of seeing her
Speaker 2: in light colored, baggy blue jeans, sandals, with socks, and
Speaker 2: carrying a purse. Anastasia's clothes will become very important as
Speaker 2: we go on. Anyway, Francesca says, about twenty minutes after
Speaker 2: her stepmom and Anastasia left, Justin called and he said
Speaker 2: he was in Lenexa, Kansas, but didn't say specifically where
Speaker 2: he was calling from. Lenexa is the town where Kelly
Speaker 2: Moffett lives. Who was with Anastasia, Byron and Justin that night?
Speaker 3: And did you have conversations?
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can't, I sirs. You want to touch
Speaker 4: to Anastasia and I'm like, well, she's not here.
Speaker 10: She's at Mount Washington Cemetery when to meet you.
Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, but I guess the friends
Speaker 4: got mixed up.
Speaker 10: We thought that she didn't have a ride to get there,
Speaker 10: so he wasn't get a near and moved out.
Speaker 4: And when ixplained it at that time, I don't know.
Speaker 6: What anything else. Run in a conversation you had with him, Well, I.
Speaker 10: Was mad at him because he wasn't going to pick
Speaker 10: her up and she was out there all around lading you.
Speaker 2: Francesca says she called her dad and told him that
Speaker 2: Justin wasn't going to be able to meet Anastasia at
Speaker 2: Mount Washington Cemetery and that she was out there by herself.
Speaker 2: After that, between five and five thirty, Francesca says her
Speaker 2: stepmom Diane picked her up and took her to get
Speaker 2: her hair cut. Francisca says no one was home from
Speaker 2: five ish until around six when he got back home.
Speaker 2: Then around six forty five, Francesca says she walked to
Speaker 2: a church meeting a few blocks away and was there
Speaker 2: until around eight thirty, when her grandmother picked up her
Speaker 2: and her four year old sister Emma and brought them
Speaker 2: back home. So, according to Francesca, no one was home
Speaker 2: from around five is until around six, then from six
Speaker 2: forty five till around eight forty five. Some time later,
Speaker 2: Francesca says the phone rang.
Speaker 1: It was Justin.
Speaker 10: Justin May called again, saying that Siananas Desia had gotten
Speaker 10: in a fight and she'd gotten out of the car
Speaker 10: and she wanted to talk to him when she got
Speaker 10: home and Byron was in the backbone and when.
Speaker 6: You show me her viron in the back and.
Speaker 10: Do you know, I'm just saying only Yron in the
Speaker 10: backbround and I'll just didn't say high for me.
Speaker 6: But did you say you wanted she got out of gun?
Speaker 10: But she said that they had a fight and she
Speaker 10: got out of car.
Speaker 6: So what we're fighting about? H?
Speaker 8: What else?
Speaker 6: Did the time?
Speaker 4: She emphasized that we weren't talking. Instead Jo and she
Speaker 4: got home?
Speaker 6: Kay m h, what's done?
Speaker 5: Not?
Speaker 8: Really?
Speaker 4: We sing a little bit concerned. I mean that she
Speaker 4: wasn't home.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess she was.
Speaker 5: She was.
Speaker 4: We thought that she was gonna walk home or.
Speaker 6: Some say about what time was that he called you.
Speaker 8: I'm not sure.
Speaker 6: It wasn't that long.
Speaker 4: I remember.
Speaker 10: I remember now that he had said that she got
Speaker 10: out of cart, like, so she's been out there for
Speaker 10: an hour, close to an hour or something. My dad, well,
Speaker 10: it kind of I'm closer than I insied, but.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure she hadn't appeared.
Speaker 10: He took of this, he had like been I probably
Speaker 10: would have put my time when I got home that
Speaker 10: he had called and the van had a fight, but
Speaker 10: I didn't, okay.
Speaker 2: Francesca says after her dad got home and later spoke
Speaker 2: with Justin, he announced he was going out to look
Speaker 2: for Anastasia. Fran says she went to bed before her
Speaker 2: dad came back home that night. Then the next morning,
Speaker 2: at breakfast, he told her he'd already gone back out
Speaker 2: at five am looking for Anastasia, but again couldn't find her.
Speaker 2: Francesca says she went to school, then during seventh period
Speaker 2: Latin class, she heard her name called over the intercom
Speaker 2: telling her to report to the office.
Speaker 4: Went down to the office.
Speaker 12: And anything so people and they take down.
Speaker 2: Because she's so emotional. Francesca and Sergeant kil Gore go
Speaker 2: off tape for a moment. Eventually kill Gore starts recording
Speaker 2: again after.
Speaker 3: That point in time, Did you have any conversations with
Speaker 3: chessmin No, none of Do you have any conversations with Byron?
Speaker 6: You know Byron's girlfriends.
Speaker 4: All I know is that her name is Kelly and
Speaker 4: she's only fifteen.
Speaker 6: Did any stay as you go to a birthday party
Speaker 6: for Kelly?
Speaker 5: Yeah? When is that?
Speaker 4: Oh? Either earlier that week about like not not that
Speaker 4: long ago?
Speaker 6: Did get on stage and tell you anything about the
Speaker 6: birthday party.
Speaker 10: It was either I think it was later that night
Speaker 10: or something. I was like three o'clock in the morning,
Speaker 10: and she came on my own crying, and I think
Speaker 10: I'm not sure that if that was the night of
Speaker 10: the party or whatever. She came in Survive and was crying,
Speaker 10: and she was like real upset about Justin and.
Speaker 4: And she was real upset, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 4: I was hugging her. I was trying to calm her
Speaker 4: down and stuff.
Speaker 6: But did she tell you why she was upset?
Speaker 4: Just that he didn't love her anymore and she didn't
Speaker 4: know why.
Speaker 6: Stuff.
Speaker 10: She's said that she was miserable without him and that
Speaker 10: she left him stolen, he didn't love her. She like
Speaker 10: was crying for like twenty minutes before I couldn't. I
Speaker 10: couldn't take it anymore, as I was like, still have
Speaker 10: to sleep, and so I kind of like, I said,
Speaker 10: you know, calm down, that hight go bed.
Speaker 5: She left.
Speaker 4: I didn't living on Monday or Tuesday night.
Speaker 6: Okay, did there she ever tell you about one suicide?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 10: That night she had mentioned it, but well what ca Yeah,
Speaker 10: when she came around crying, She's like she's like I'd
Speaker 10: rather die than you know, without you know, without his
Speaker 10: loving me and stuff. She she told me, she told
Speaker 10: me she had tried acid and that sort of stuff
Speaker 10: that I mean she told I mean, she made it
Speaker 10: clear to me that she is they going to make
Speaker 10: it like a regular habit or anything.
Speaker 3: To know if anybody told you or talked to you
Speaker 3: about how your sister died.
Speaker 6: Uh, just my parents, Okay, none of your friends or.
Speaker 3: Any your Byron's associates to anybody.
Speaker 6: You haven't talked to anybody about it.
Speaker 4: I've touched some of her her friends, like.
Speaker 11: Just basically, well, basically, what are they telling They haven't
Speaker 11: told me.
Speaker 2: Francesca says she spoke with one of Anastasia's friends named
Speaker 2: Anna Hunsecker.
Speaker 10: I had emailed her about aunt Stasia's death and m
Speaker 10: she knew she finished the email. She says, she calls
Speaker 10: it Byron, and Byron had told her I guess the
Speaker 10: whole story. I asked her, what did Biden tell you xactly?
Speaker 10: And she said that he had told us that she
Speaker 10: had been murthered than possibly robbed, and he said that
Speaker 10: he and Kelly and she said that he did. Byron
Speaker 10: and Kelly had had seen a Stagia's wallet when they
Speaker 10: were at a restaurant, and.
Speaker 5: That I mean.
Speaker 10: I asked her if she thought that if he was lying,
Speaker 10: I mean, and she said that she didn't think so
Speaker 10: because it has been very truthful with her.
Speaker 4: And she said that he seemed very upset.
Speaker 2: And then then friend says she spoke with another friend
Speaker 2: of Anastasia's named Paige right but then a.
Speaker 10: Tough Page, and she said that she'd seemed Byron like
Speaker 10: a couple of days ago, and that he didn't seem
Speaker 10: very upset about it, and he was like wanting to
Speaker 10: talk about it with her and stuff.
Speaker 4: I mean, she I don't think Page were like viron
Speaker 4: out player.
Speaker 6: There's something else about.
Speaker 4: Well, I really all that.
Speaker 10: Him is that he's, I'm not a very good person.
Speaker 10: He had broken into one of his relatives houses or something,
Speaker 10: and he'd gotten in trouble for that and got to
Speaker 10: send to some detention or something.
Speaker 4: I don't remember. And he had been like thriller involved.
Speaker 10: In drugs and stuff, but that he supposedly hadn't done
Speaker 10: him in a while.
Speaker 5: Uh, And.
Speaker 4: I don't know, he's he's like he was a lot
Speaker 4: older than he really is. I mean, you know, he
Speaker 4: didn't know how old he was. He probably think he
Speaker 4: was a lot older.
Speaker 3: Did you know if he's involved in uh got the Vampire?
Speaker 6: He was, well, I don't know he was.
Speaker 10: He was like if there was like a leader of Bama,
Speaker 10: I mean, dealing with God or anything, and parby him.
Speaker 2: So Sergeant Kilgore just asked if Byron was engaged in
Speaker 2: goth culture. Just so you know, Byron wore black clothes,
Speaker 2: black nail polish, black eyeliner, white face makeup, and his
Speaker 2: hair was dyed black.
Speaker 1: By the way, the goth.
Speaker 2: Scene is going to end up playing a pretty big
Speaker 2: role in this investigation. Kilgore's interview with Francesca concludes soon
Speaker 2: after next up as their father, Bob Whitbolsfugen. Bob tells
Speaker 2: basically the same story he told the day Anastasia was found.
Speaker 2: He learned his wife Diane had dropped Anastasia off at
Speaker 2: Mount Washington Cemetery. He came home, talked to Justin, He
Speaker 2: went out searching for Anastasia, then eventually got the awful
Speaker 2: news that she'd been murdered. Then Sergeant Kilgore asks, have.
Speaker 3: You talked to anybody that's giving you any indications they
Speaker 3: were present when.
Speaker 6: She was killed. Yeah, I did.
Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore just asked Anastasia's father, Bob Whipples Fugen, if
Speaker 2: he has spoken with anyone who might have been present
Speaker 2: when his daughter was killed.
Speaker 1: Bob said, yes, he did. Well, here, he continues, I
Speaker 1: have to think about the way he worded that.
Speaker 3: I address that because I've either hypothesized or thought of
Speaker 3: the situations which might have surrounded your death. The situation
Speaker 3: that you are asking about now came to mind too,
Speaker 3: that such a scenario might have existed because a long
Speaker 3: timego old friend of Anastasia's named Paige said, called me up.
Speaker 3: I think last Sunday evening or Monday evening she had
Speaker 3: spoken with a friend of hers and by the name
Speaker 3: of Steve, that Steve had owned Anastasia and also knew Byron,
Speaker 3: and that he went to find Byron.
Speaker 5: But he couldn't and he found.
Speaker 3: They'd gone somewhere, and that you talked to one of
Speaker 3: Byron's friends, another one of Byron's friends, who said that
Speaker 3: Byron had knowledge of a gun and that Byron had
Speaker 3: given justice justin gun that was loaded, only Justin didn't
Speaker 3: know that it was.
Speaker 6: Loaded, and like you know, my jaw was dropping.
Speaker 3: Well, what you were telling me was that Byron had
Speaker 3: given Justin. Again, Justin didn't know.
Speaker 6: What was loaded.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it didn't go to explain, well, why
Speaker 3: would test to point a gun at Anastasia loaded or not?
Speaker 6: This is what Paige's going Dage.
Speaker 3: Is telling me that she heard this from her friend Steve,
Speaker 3: that Byron had told a friend of his who he
Speaker 3: was now Steve was talking to saying.
Speaker 6: That he was there that evening Anastasia was killed.
Speaker 3: When Anastasia was killed, understanding where you're going with this,
Speaker 3: it was an accidental shooting.
Speaker 6: That's the implication that it was an accident shooting.
Speaker 3: Do you have any any other information about how Anastasia
Speaker 3: got well, I other than just your speculation and theory.
Speaker 6: I mean, has anybody offered you any information?
Speaker 3: Not that would have direct knowledge, only speculation.
Speaker 2: Kil Gore then asks of Anastasia was interested in golf culture.
Speaker 5: Yeah, she went with the.
Speaker 6: Goth book last year.
Speaker 3: I know that there are phases with kids, and this
Speaker 3: started last year and last year in high school.
Speaker 6: It seemed to give her a sense of identity.
Speaker 5: And I didn't fight it too much.
Speaker 6: I told her that I heard it. You know, she'd
Speaker 6: not wear it all the time with the black.
Speaker 3: Lipstick and stuff, as I've seen it on other people.
Speaker 3: Although I find her attractive, but I don't find her
Speaker 3: attractive as she wears a black makeup and when she
Speaker 3: pleads refrain, so she would only do it occasionally once
Speaker 3: well actually a couple times a week, and it maybe
Speaker 3: when she was going out with a friend that she
Speaker 3: would have to.
Speaker 6: Put this on.
Speaker 3: Did she ever discuss suicide with you briefly? Yeah, she
Speaker 3: said that she on occasion had tried suicide. She could
Speaker 3: never she could never come up with means for doing that,
Speaker 3: except that she says, well, you know, I heard people
Speaker 3: can take enough drugs even ask for room, and they'd
Speaker 3: be sick enough they could die.
Speaker 6: And that's true. Ever attempted suicide, you would think that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking to a razor to your wrists and putting
Speaker 3: some scratches there enough to create a little bleeding that
Speaker 3: some bandages, gos vantages, you.
Speaker 5: Know when she comes and shows you, look what I
Speaker 5: did do.
Speaker 6: Do you have any advantages? That's I don'tsarily have a
Speaker 6: serious suicide attempt.
Speaker 5: Did she have some reason for doing it?
Speaker 6: Did she cut a rib?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: No, I think She probably has tried that three on
Speaker 3: three different occasions. And she complained that you know the razors,
Speaker 3: you know the safety razors. When's the last time is
Speaker 3: she trying? If she tried, I don't know about it.
Speaker 3: She talked about it.
Speaker 6: As recently as two three weeks ago.
Speaker 3: She talked to you about cutting her rib Yeah, she said,
Speaker 3: would please go out and buy some better razor blades?
Speaker 6: She wanted to cut her wrists?
Speaker 3: Would I would she actually cut herself? Would have been
Speaker 3: about that same time frame, two weeks ago?
Speaker 6: And where did she do? Is at her house?
Speaker 4: And why did she do that?
Speaker 3: I think because she was trying to say that she
Speaker 3: was hurting me. You know that she wanted some answers
Speaker 3: that she wasn't able to find them, that she was
Speaker 3: feeling helpless. And I had directed her to her counsel.
Speaker 3: I have a program which has helped me and deal
Speaker 3: with difficult situations. And I encourage her to call this
Speaker 3: member and set up appointments.
Speaker 5: And she did that.
Speaker 3: She did that as long ago as three and four
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I was directing her that way, her mother
Speaker 3: was directing her that way.
Speaker 6: Was there Anna station familiar with firearms at all? No, no,
Speaker 6: did you have firearms in your house?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 6: I have no firearms in my house.
Speaker 3: My dad grew up hunter and when many years ago
Speaker 3: he passed away, and I didn't want any of those
Speaker 3: things around my house.
Speaker 6: And felt no need for them.
Speaker 5: There. You have no no relirearms and that no.
Speaker 2: They speak a short time, longer than the interview concludes.
Speaker 2: The next day, Kilgore makes contact with Anastasia's friend, seventeen
Speaker 2: year old Page. By the way, because some of these
Speaker 2: kids were under age at the time, we have opted
Speaker 2: not to include their last names, So both Francesca and
Speaker 2: Bob said in their interviews that Page may know or
Speaker 2: have heard something about what happened the night Anastasia was killed.
Speaker 2: It seems the beginning of Kilgore's call with Page isn't recorded.
Speaker 2: When the tape starts, kill Gore says, quote, are you
Speaker 2: still with me? I apologize for that in his report,
Speaker 2: though Kilgore notes what wasn't on the tape that Page
Speaker 2: said she had spoken with a guy named Steve Elliott.
Speaker 2: Steve Elliott supposedly spoke with some other unknown person who
Speaker 2: Byron directly talked to about that night. Again, supposedly, Byron
Speaker 2: told this unknown person that that night, he Kelly, Justin,
Speaker 2: and Anastasia were in the cemetery and they had a
Speaker 2: gun with them. Supposedly, Byron secretly loaded the gun and
Speaker 2: handed it to Justin. Justin pointed the gun at Anastasia
Speaker 2: and pulled the trigger, not knowing the gun was loaded.
Speaker 2: Kilgore and Page's conversation then continues on tape. By the way,
Speaker 2: you're going to hear a few beets during their recorded call.
Speaker 5: How would I get hold of Steve rather than where
Speaker 5: he works?
Speaker 13: Oh, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Okay, you don't know where he lives or.
Speaker 8: I don't know where he lives.
Speaker 5: And do you have any idea who this friend of
Speaker 5: Byron that he got this information from him?
Speaker 8: No?
Speaker 5: Pick, Do you believe him Steve? Yes?
Speaker 13: Yes, I believe that Byron is a big part of this.
Speaker 13: I've had that gut feeling since it happened. I Firon
Speaker 13: has always hated Anathasia when I started why because he
Speaker 13: thought she was really annoying and he went to school
Speaker 13: with her. And I was friends with Firon a long
Speaker 13: time ago, and when I started hanging out, I told
Speaker 13: I sort of mentioned Anastasia's name, and He's like, oh,
Speaker 13: I hate that bitch blah blah. When I was one,
Speaker 13: and it was odd to me when the three got
Speaker 13: together as like a little group, because then they were
Speaker 13: like inseparable, and that's when I started. But I was
Speaker 13: not talking to Byron a long time ago.
Speaker 8: Because he just got weird and I didn't trust him anymore.
Speaker 6: And then.
Speaker 13: When Annathasa justin got together, I sort of separated since them,
Speaker 13: and I haven't talked to them in a long time.
Speaker 8: I haven't talked to a lot of them in a
Speaker 8: long time.
Speaker 5: When's the last time you did talk down stage?
Speaker 13: About four weeks ago?
Speaker 5: Do you remember what you guys talked about?
Speaker 13: Yes, well, I was sort of angry at her, so
Speaker 13: I really didn't say anything.
Speaker 5: And why were you angry at.
Speaker 13: Because but like last lat the end of last year,
Speaker 13: we had a study hall together and she was talking
Speaker 13: about Byron. I guess she really liked Byron and was
Speaker 13: really close to Byron at the time, and she was
Speaker 13: talking to some people about how glad he was, and
Speaker 13: I sort of jumped in and said, hey, Byron's an asshole,
Speaker 13: and then she she's like, no, he's not an asshole,
Speaker 13: and they said, well, yes he is, actually, and she goes,
Speaker 13: why do you say that? And I said, because he
Speaker 13: sucked around with my head. He liked to play with
Speaker 13: my emotions. And he's like, well, everyone likes the fuck
Speaker 13: around with your Headpage. This something we do, and that's
Speaker 13: why I was sort of angry at her and I
Speaker 13: didn't talked to her all summer.
Speaker 5: Okay, dude, are you in the goss? No, I'm not.
Speaker 8: Okay, I did go to a cemetery last year.
Speaker 5: Okay, Uh, do you know anything about it about the goths? Yes?
Speaker 13: Yeah, I have a lot of I guess say god friend.
Speaker 2: Okay, have you ever heard of the investigators had received
Speaker 2: a tip that Byron, Kelly, Justin, and Anastasia had some
Speaker 2: kind of goth suicide pact, So kil Gore asks Page
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 5: Okay, have you ever heard of a death pact?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 13: I heard of that from.
Speaker 4: One day.
Speaker 13: I was informed of the death pact between I guess
Speaker 13: in the state and Byron and Justin. I didn't know
Speaker 13: they had it.
Speaker 8: I just I just heard.
Speaker 5: Do you know what it is?
Speaker 14: Who would do you know anybody that would be able
Speaker 14: to tell me a little bit about this? John, I'm
Speaker 14: just an old guy, you know, I'm not do stuff
Speaker 14: or anythings.
Speaker 13: Guys, I don't know. I really don't know. I never
Speaker 13: knew anything about I talked to anybody about.
Speaker 14: Yeah, I've got onto the internet last night looking for
Speaker 14: something about I couldn't find anything. Like I said, I'm
Speaker 14: just an old guy and I'm not into the fads
Speaker 14: and the way young people are doing.
Speaker 5: So I thought I thought I should know a little
Speaker 5: bit about it.
Speaker 13: Yeah, goes to the curiosity. What's happening with Siren?
Speaker 5: Well, could you be specific.
Speaker 4: For one?
Speaker 13: I feel like he is a big part of this.
Speaker 13: I feel like, well, the thing is, he was always
Speaker 13: the third week, he was always the third wheel. He
Speaker 13: was always always, always with them, And I totally forgot
Speaker 13: about this. Byron and Justin from what I hear, were
Speaker 13: lovers at one point.
Speaker 5: Oh really, yeah, I forgot about that. How How would
Speaker 5: I go about to substantiate them.
Speaker 13: I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 1: Their conversation is about to wrap up.
Speaker 5: If you do hear anything, please please call me. I
Speaker 5: will tell your friends to do so. I need to
Speaker 5: get to the truth it is.
Speaker 6: I need to find out.
Speaker 14: How and why Anastasia was killed. Well, I know she's
Speaker 14: had someone, she's got some brands. She got family, you know,
Speaker 14: we owe it to them, to you, you know, to
Speaker 14: find out the truth exactly what happened, and I can
Speaker 14: do some help.
Speaker 13: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I reach out to Page to see if she'd be
Speaker 2: willing to talk with me, but she declines to participate.
Speaker 2: It should be noted that kil Gore does follow up
Speaker 2: on Page's information about Steve Elliott. Elliott had supposedly heard
Speaker 2: that Byron told some unknown person he secretly loaded the
Speaker 2: gun and handed it to Justin. Justin then pulled a trigger,
Speaker 2: killing Anastasia, not knowing the gun was loaded. Steve Elliott
Speaker 2: tells Kilgore he doesn't know anyone who's talked to Byron,
Speaker 2: and from what he hears, Byron doesn't know anything about
Speaker 2: how Anastasia was killed.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: As the investigation continues. On October twenty eighth, Justin is
Speaker 2: laid to rest in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Kelly's mom, Deborah, drives
Speaker 2: her and Byron to the service. Days later, they attend
Speaker 2: Anastasia's funeral. She has an open casket and is cremated.
Speaker 1: Soon after.
Speaker 2: October thirty, First Sergeant Ron Kellogg interviews eighteen year old
Speaker 2: Abraham Nisley. He was the friend who paged Byron the
Speaker 2: night of the twenty second and asked him to come
Speaker 2: by and pick up some stuff he had of his
Speaker 2: ex girlfriends Tara McDowell. There's no mention of Abraham's interview
Speaker 2: being recorded, but there somehow is a trans script of it.
Speaker 2: Abraham tells Sergeant Kellogg he paged Byron on the twenty
Speaker 2: second around eight eight point fifteen, and Byron called him
Speaker 2: right back from Justin's house. He says, Byron, Kelly and
Speaker 2: Justin came by and told the story that Anastasia got
Speaker 2: out of the car around seven point thirty. Abraham says
Speaker 2: the three left his place by eight forty five so
Speaker 2: they could get Kelly home for her nine o'clock curfew.
Speaker 2: Abraham says the next day, on the twenty third, after
Speaker 2: he saw Anastasia's murder reported on the early evening news.
Speaker 1: He paged Byron nine one one.
Speaker 2: When they spoke, Abraham says, Byron was shocked and asked, quote,
Speaker 2: where's Lincoln Cemetery. Abraham also tells Kellogg he heard Justin
Speaker 2: had a gun but sold it a couple of weeks before.
Speaker 2: After Abraham's interview concludes, he's arrested on an outstanding traffic warrant.
Speaker 2: November fourth, doctor Thomas Young, the Jackson County Medical Examiner,
Speaker 2: releases Anastasia's autopsy report. In it is a description of
Speaker 2: what she was wearing. Black Doc Martin's shoes, gray socks,
Speaker 2: black dead and pants, a light brown corduroy coat, a
Speaker 2: dark gray pullover shirt, a black bra, and black underwear
Speaker 2: containing a pad in the pants pockets. There's three dollars
Speaker 2: and sixty five cents in bills and change on her body.
Speaker 2: There are a couple of small yellow green contusions on
Speaker 2: her left knee and a faint yellow green contusion on
Speaker 2: her front right lower leg. There are no defensive wounds.
Speaker 2: Then the gunshot wound is described. It's a contact gunshot
Speaker 2: wound to the tip of the nose. A slight, dark
Speaker 2: sooty deposit is noted around the face. The wound track
Speaker 2: traveled directly from front to back. A distorted lead bullet
Speaker 2: fragment is recovered from the hair of the posterior scalp.
Speaker 2: Final cause of death gunshot wound to nose, unknown type
Speaker 2: of gun. Also unknown is when exactly Anastasia was killed.
Speaker 2: There were no drugs or alcohol found in her system.
Speaker 2: A sexual assault evidence kit showed no signs of semen
Speaker 2: or evidence of injury. There was blood in her vagina,
Speaker 2: but the feminine napkin attached to the crotch area is
Speaker 2: quote not stained. The underwear had quote no visible stains
Speaker 2: or where. On November fifth, two weeks after Anastasia's death,
Speaker 2: her dad Bob brings sarge at Kilgore Anastasia's computer, some
Speaker 2: floppy disks, and a few undated letters. Anastasia wrote Justin.
Speaker 2: It's unclear if Justin ever read these letters, but in
Speaker 2: one of them, Anastasia wrote, in part quote, I feel
Speaker 2: I should explain myself from Thursday so as to assure
Speaker 2: you that you are not living with a psycho suicidal person.
Speaker 2: I don't believe I would have killed myself, well, at
Speaker 2: least intentionally. I truly did want to die when it happened.
Speaker 2: She goes on to write, there are no words to
Speaker 2: describe the pain I felt. Hopefully I will never feel
Speaker 2: it again. We obviously have no way of knowing what
Speaker 2: Anastasia was referring to. Later that morning, Sergeant Kilgore goes
Speaker 2: to the Whipple's Fugen residence and searches Anastasia's room kill
Speaker 2: Gore notes in his report that Anastasia's room seemed to
Speaker 2: be in the process of being boxed up. Kil Gore
Speaker 2: collects some clothes, a videotape of the band The Cure,
Speaker 2: and a couple of notebooks. It will take some time
Speaker 2: for investigators to go through Anastasia's hard drive. That same day,
Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore is faxed a letter. It says, in part quote,
Speaker 2: I am rather surprised no one from your office has
Speaker 2: tried to contact me since I had extensive communication with
Speaker 2: her prior to death. It's signed Betsy Owens. That's Anastasia's mother.
Speaker 2: Although Betsy had briefly spoken with Sergeant Kellogg the day
Speaker 2: Anastasia was found, fourteen days have gone by with no
Speaker 2: one from the Sheriff's department asking to interview Anastasia's own mother.
Speaker 2: Two days later, Sergeant Kilgore sits down with Betsy, who
Speaker 2: is Bob Six's wife. Although Anastasia and her mom, Betsy
Speaker 2: talked and saw each other often. Anastasia had been living
Speaker 2: with Bob and his wife Diane after she and Justin
Speaker 2: broke up that summer. Here are some of Betsy's tape
Speaker 2: recorded interview. The audio is not great, but what Betsy
Speaker 2: shares is important. Oh and from time to time you'll
Speaker 2: hear Betsy refer to Anastasia as Stacy.
Speaker 6: Did.
Speaker 15: I just spoke to her that Wednesday. I spoke to
Speaker 15: her Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. That Monday, she was a
Speaker 15: little bit depressed, not wanting to.
Speaker 8: Live that type of thing.
Speaker 4: What's doing?
Speaker 3: He said, when you spoke with her on Monday or tune,
Speaker 3: she did she comment about wanting to still tell.
Speaker 15: Yeah, she but she didn't want anything to do with
Speaker 15: blood and that because she's happening to do with anything
Speaker 15: that would cause her to believe by cutting her list,
Speaker 15: that was about what did she expect.
Speaker 2: But that's not what Betsy's ex husband, Anastasia's father, Bob,
Speaker 2: told Sergeant Kilgore. He said that Anastasia had asked him
Speaker 2: to buy sharp raisers so she could cut her wrists
Speaker 2: as recently as two weeks before her death, about.
Speaker 8: How she wanted to do it with you.
Speaker 15: She originally a remember so before she caught up and
Speaker 15: after that, my brothers were described sleeping pills and my
Speaker 15: two of my brothers a doctor piving fellows are restricted
Speaker 15: drug and just can't get those and they're not going
Speaker 15: to give them to you, and because they're not going
Speaker 15: to use their license of it.
Speaker 8: And I thought, you know, but she was wanting something
Speaker 8: where she could she didn't want to do an act
Speaker 8: of death or she did.
Speaker 15: It because she tried her life in her wrist and
Speaker 15: she cut her wrist up this direction on the roost.
Speaker 8: This went in prosily in the bakall of May.
Speaker 6: Like nine, yeah, this year.
Speaker 8: And when I was talking to.
Speaker 15: Sergeant Kellogg and Bob over the day that I found
Speaker 15: out on that Thursday that she died. Oopsidy just laughed
Speaker 15: at her when she did that.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was really applied because I kept trying to
Speaker 8: get him to take her to the accountry. I thought
Speaker 8: that was an extremely serio. He's more for emotionally the strength.
Speaker 6: Before you know, Illinois her father.
Speaker 15: Yeah, but he should have known and don't like someone
Speaker 15: who makes it an active attent pup. I knew that
Speaker 15: she just doesn't like blood at all. I mean, should
Speaker 15: just go freak out. And she got a little cup
Speaker 15: in the times she was a kid, you know, and
Speaker 15: she didn't like menstal periods because of bleeding and that
Speaker 15: type of thing.
Speaker 6: And you know, she just did not like blood at all.
Speaker 6: And did she comment on that period that.
Speaker 15: She okay, Yeah, she asked me that l station to
Speaker 15: make a period, supposed to start to drink. Can I
Speaker 15: delay it anyhow? If she wanted to delay because she
Speaker 15: was going to go out with Justin, And I thought,
Speaker 15: you know, sometimes you can delay it by taking an extra.
Speaker 6: Books in hotels.
Speaker 8: I had got myron Worth control pills by for the
Speaker 8: bottle blades.
Speaker 6: Too late.
Speaker 8: It was, you know, it was starting a matter of hours.
Speaker 5: It might not work. Yeah, And.
Speaker 15: But she, you know, evidently was planning on going out
Speaker 15: and having sex or hoping to have sex with him.
Speaker 15: Evidently sex was very important to her for making love
Speaker 15: in her knowing that's important.
Speaker 6: I had Evidently he did not.
Speaker 8: Was not have been interested in fact, but I think
Speaker 8: he had a lot of depression, had been on coming.
Speaker 4: Sack.
Speaker 5: When do you know this?
Speaker 8: The fact that she told me, She told me he
Speaker 8: was on phone sacked, but he hadn't taken it for
Speaker 8: about two months.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he said sadly the kids were subjected to
Speaker 2: suicide early on in their lives.
Speaker 1: Bob's brother took his own life in nineteen eighty six.
Speaker 5: Want to do yea rest and yeah, but.
Speaker 8: Not because she's something. She had been depressed. She was
Speaker 8: starting to pick out.
Speaker 11: But I also know that that's a dangerous to soone
Speaker 11: was going to sto that would be you know, uh,
Speaker 11: it's when they start getting better you have to really worry.
Speaker 8: But she was talking a little more optimist to tell
Speaker 8: you that she was going to do sing.
Speaker 6: So she was happy.
Speaker 9: Her feelings all, whether she was happy or sad, seemed
Speaker 9: to be really tied up with Justine and.
Speaker 8: You like a lot of eighteen.
Speaker 11: Also the madly a lot becalled her, she's happy if
Speaker 11: they don't call her sad.
Speaker 6: That mine the phone.
Speaker 3: But when she was afraid that he was going to
Speaker 3: have to go back and lid falsa.
Speaker 6: But she was also born enough, you know she was.
Speaker 6: Then she looked okays.
Speaker 1: The subject then turns to drugs and then.
Speaker 9: She h so what she had tried heroin, and she
Speaker 9: had tried powder, cocaine, and she had tried to ask
Speaker 9: and just trying different things.
Speaker 2: Tilgore then asks when Bessy learned Anastasia was missing. It
Speaker 2: turns out Bessy never even knew she was missing.
Speaker 6: I'll call me.
Speaker 9: About ten ten thirty Thursday morning. This kind of pisses
Speaker 9: me up. Hey, if a kid didn't show her up,
Speaker 9: do I come home?
Speaker 5: You know, let me know, you know.
Speaker 6: He says he tried to call enough the message with
Speaker 6: one of the kids. I don't know. The kids aren't
Speaker 6: always real good at giving messages.
Speaker 9: But he called me at work and said that for
Speaker 9: one thing, he needed the information that he wanted me
Speaker 9: to know that Stacy disappeared.
Speaker 6: She didn't come home last night. She had been out
Speaker 6: with Chestin and something. She didn't come home, and.
Speaker 9: He had reported it to the police, and someone was
Speaker 9: going to be coming by and they wanted pictures and
Speaker 9: double records. Well, shit, you know what the particulars were,
Speaker 9: and said that Justin said that Stacey had gotten pissed
Speaker 9: off and gotten out of the car. There I seventy
Speaker 9: and four thirty five and Truman Road, And I thought, so,
Speaker 9: I mean, I can see Stacy getting pissed off and
Speaker 9: jumping out of car. She's been known to do that before.
Speaker 9: But she heads for the nearest telephone in calls. She's
Speaker 9: you know, lazy, and she didn't like to walk. That's
Speaker 9: why I was curious.
Speaker 2: Barely a day after learning her eldest daughter had been murdered.
Speaker 2: Betsy says Byron's mom called her, and the day after that,
Speaker 2: she says, Byron called.
Speaker 6: And Byron's mother called me on Thursday night.
Speaker 9: To say that Byron had talked with her and said
Speaker 9: that Stacey had gotten out of the car or whatever.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 6: No, now I can tell you what Byron said. What
Speaker 6: he called me.
Speaker 9: He said, you ought to know that she wasn't sexually lost. Well,
Speaker 9: this was Friday night. I haven't talked to anyone. Why
Speaker 9: how are they releasing that to some kind of kid,
Speaker 9: you know, giving him that information? I mean, that didn't
Speaker 9: make any sense us. He thought he was relieving the
Speaker 9: mother's mine. So all these people are kind of calling
Speaker 9: up and giving these stories. Why you know he talked
Speaker 9: to the Sheriff's department. You know, I tried not to
Speaker 9: beg the Sheriff's department because I begure you had an
Speaker 9: investigation to do.
Speaker 6: And as soon as you knew something, you've let me know.
Speaker 9: Yeah, all these calog had my name and members, so
Speaker 9: you know, someone could get ahold of me.
Speaker 6: And I thought, well as.
Speaker 9: Whole if I called my first husband, could you know
Speaker 9: it was better if on than one of us were
Speaker 9: bugging and you know, bugging the department anyway, And I
Speaker 9: thinking with Bob he have some type of learning disability
Speaker 9: where he can talk off around something and he got.
Speaker 6: The most important for me that you know needs to
Speaker 6: be said.
Speaker 9: So yeah, but I said, well, maybe they're just keeping
Speaker 9: things now, you know, you know, asshole saying she was
Speaker 9: shot with a high.
Speaker 6: Powered rifle with anthoscope of things. You know, Robert's telling
Speaker 6: you that.
Speaker 16: Yeah, he was saying that, or was he basing that
Speaker 16: where I think somebody is standing behind it, you know,
Speaker 16: a busher or something or whatever, and was shot at her.
Speaker 9: You know, yeah, he could be having all kind of
Speaker 9: suffidencies the space to tell you you can go just
Speaker 9: in her Byern being bisexual.
Speaker 6: No, well I thought they were just.
Speaker 9: I've never heard that, but that might explain some things,
Speaker 9: you know, if he wasn't lit the last to her especially,
Speaker 9: and Byran was always it was kill like.
Speaker 6: A triangle there. The Byron was always over there. But
Speaker 6: I think if she had thought that Justin was gay,
Speaker 6: that she would have you know, she would have pulled
Speaker 6: a buck from that. You know, well it pissed her off.
Speaker 6: So is there anything else about what you can think of?
Speaker 6: That Stacy's told you or anybody else told you that
Speaker 6: I should be aware of.
Speaker 9: Well, I could see it being a suicide though, and
Speaker 9: then the others seeing what damage occurred and chicken a lot,
Speaker 9: you know.
Speaker 6: Or why I don't think I want that. I can
Speaker 6: see Stacy's being the leader that she wasn't saying well,
Speaker 6: I'll go first. Or do you think something like that
Speaker 6: did happen?
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 6: It's possible. I don't know.
Speaker 2: Sadly, Betsy Owens passed away in twenty twenty four while
Speaker 2: while we were producing this podcast. Our sincerest condolences to
Speaker 2: her family. Okay, I know this episode is a lot
Speaker 2: chasing down leads, gathering evidence, and interviewing witnesses, family and friends.
Speaker 2: Is just some of what happened in the investigation in
Speaker 2: the first two weeks after Anastasia's death. So far, what
Speaker 2: we mainly have are a lot of rumors and speculation,
Speaker 2: including an alleged suicide pact and justin accidentally shooting Anastasia
Speaker 2: with a gun Byron secretly loaded. And there are conflicting
Speaker 2: reports of when Anastasia was at the Dairy Queen, when
Speaker 2: she left, and what she was wearing. This investigation is
Speaker 2: just getting started and where it's about to go no
Speaker 2: one could possibly have imagined.
Speaker 1: Next time on The Real Killer.
Speaker 6: Thanks good enough? Is number? You're thirteen?
Speaker 4: Let the number thirteen?
Speaker 2: Could a cding not far from Lincoln Cemetery possibly lead
Speaker 2: to the killer?
Speaker 9: He looks like a ghost by gad, We must have
Speaker 9: come out of that cemetery scared?
Speaker 6: Why does ache?
Speaker 2: And A second attempt to interview a suspect is met
Speaker 2: with some strong resistance.
Speaker 3: I book, I mean through mine.
Speaker 6: I mean I can't offer any more information.
Speaker 5: You need not even on my questions?
Speaker 6: Are you afraid to attack me?
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