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Speaker 1: A warning.

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Speaker 2: This episode contains depictions of violence and conversations about suicide

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Speaker 2: that may be disturbing and triggering for some listeners. If

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Speaker 2: you are struggling with suicidal thoughts, please fast forward to

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Speaker 2: the end of this episode to find out where help

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Speaker 2: is available.

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Speaker 1: In the early morning.

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Speaker 2: Hours of Thursday, October twenty third, nineteen ninety seven, eighteen

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Speaker 2: year old Anastasia Whitble's fuchen is found brutally murdered in

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Speaker 2: Lincoln Cemetery. The next day, her friend's eighteen year old

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Speaker 2: Byron Case, and his fifteen year old girlfriend, Kelly Moffatt,

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Speaker 2: tell Jackson County Sheriff's investigators they have no idea what

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Speaker 2: happened to Anastasia after she got out of her boyfriend

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Speaker 2: Justin Bruton's car on Truman Road and Interstate four thirty five,

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Speaker 2: And they have no idea where Justin might be.

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Speaker 3: Is Justin have any places a goes to, like the

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Speaker 3: cemetery or certain miles of the land, if you have

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Speaker 3: any special place that he's done.

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Speaker 4: Not really, I think Barne will probably know that better

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Speaker 3: Would, because just don't have any of these places that

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Speaker 3: he went. Just to think he just stayed at home

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Speaker 3: and he never flam anywhere really, but I.

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Speaker 5: Mean that, I remember that.

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Speaker 3: I know he used to go to coffee shops a lot,

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Speaker 6: Doing that after a while.

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Speaker 2: Two young people, one dead and one missing for investigators

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Speaker 2: on a desperate search for answers. The clock is ticking.

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Speaker 2: I'm Leah Rothman. This is the Real Killer, Episode two,

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Speaker 2: an act of Death. After speaking with Kelly and Byron

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Speaker 2: the morning of October twenty fourth, the investigation kicks into

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Speaker 2: high gear. Detectives need to find out what happened to

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Speaker 2: Anastasia and locate her boyfriend, twenty year old Justin Bruton.

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Speaker 2: He's not a suspect, but they definitely have some questions

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Speaker 2: for him. So Lead investigator Sergeant Gary Kilgore contacts Justin's dad,

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Speaker 2: John Bruton, who has now made it from Tulsa, Oklahoma,

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Speaker 2: to Justin's condo in Kansas City. According to police reports,

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Speaker 2: mister Bruton tells Kilgore Justin has a passport, but he

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Speaker 2: he tries to leave the country. Sergeant Kilgore then directs

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Speaker 2: his attention to finding people who might have seen Anastasia

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Speaker 2: on the night of Wednesday, October twenty second, the night

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Speaker 2: she was murdered. So he starts at the Dairy Queen

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Speaker 2: across the street from Mount Washington Cemetery. That's where Justin,

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Speaker 2: Byron and Kelly supposedly met up with her. Sergeant Kilgore

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Speaker 2: learns that Don Wright was working that night and actually

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Speaker 2: spoke with Anastasia. Here is some of Don Wright's roughly

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Speaker 2: eight and a half minute audio taped interview. By the way,

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Speaker 2: the interview took place at the Dairy Queen and the

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Speaker 7: She was down here Wednesday night. She was waiting for

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Speaker 7: back back here and asked her when feminine and I

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Speaker 7: didn't have one, so my husband got down one, so

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Speaker 2: To me, and Don Wright says that while Anastasia was

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Speaker 2: didn't have anything with her, but because she lived nearby,

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Speaker 7: Of seemed nervous, a little bit upset, and I asked

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Speaker 7: It's about nine or so and I've seen her. She

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Speaker 2: Anastasa I was arguing with one of the guys. Kilgore

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Speaker 2: asks when was Anastasia at the Dairy Queen that night

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Speaker 2: with Suleiman Salet, the owner of the dairy Queen. Mister

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Speaker 6: But did you hear anything? Yes, I day was dan.

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Speaker 6: We'll be telling about that conversation. That she was here

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Speaker 8: A long time, an hour that hour and a half.

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Speaker 9: She asked me she could use the restroom on other

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Speaker 2: Mister Salet says he believed Anastasia was on her period.

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Speaker 2: She said she didn't have any money, and eventually he

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Speaker 2: where Byron and Kelly said Anastasia got out of Justin's

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Speaker 2: in nineteen ninety seven, the Amico Station was pretty much

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Speaker 2: this might be the first independent corroboration that Anastasia actually

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore calls Dairy Queen worker Dawn Wright to see

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Speaker 1: She says she does.

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Speaker 2: Ms Wright says she remembered Anastasia was carrying a brown

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Speaker 2: She remembers Anastasia was wearing light colored blue jeans that

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Speaker 1: So Don writes description.

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Speaker 2: Of Anastasia's clothes that night is quite detailed. If she's correct,

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Speaker 2: then why was Anastasia found wearing very different clothes black

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Speaker 2: the call that comes in just before two pm that

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Speaker 2: October twenty fifth, two days after Anastasia's body was found,

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Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore received a call from the Johnson County, Kansas

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Speaker 2: That tells deputies the car had been there for some time.

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Speaker 2: they make a gruesome discovery. They see a man lying

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Speaker 2: severe head trauma. Lying next to him is a black

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Speaker 2: twelve gage shotgun and one spent round. In the victim's

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Speaker 2: back pocket, deputies find a wallet and driver's license. It's

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Speaker 2: twenty year old Justin Bruten. When they run the license plate,

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Speaker 2: they learned there was a pickup order in regard to

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Speaker 2: a homicide in Missouri, so they call it in. Deputies

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Speaker 2: box of Winchester twelve gage slugs, and a receipt from

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Speaker 2: the Bullet Hole Gun Store dated October twenty third, the

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Speaker 2: same day Anastasia's body was found. Justin's family is notified.

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Speaker 2: His death is devastating and a shock to his family, friends,

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Speaker 2: rule Justin's death a self inflicted intra oral gunshot wound.

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Speaker 2: family will later be told. Investigators believe Justin had been

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Speaker 2: dead for quote at least eighteen hours when he was found.

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Speaker 2: A couple of days later, investigators go to the bullet

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Speaker 1: On the twenty third.

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Speaker 2: They also obtained surveillance video of Justin in the store. Now,

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Speaker 2: I have conflicting documentation about the time Justin bought the shotgun.

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Speaker 2: One report says the timecode on the video has Justin

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Speaker 2: purchasing the gun between nine to eleven am and nine

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Speaker 2: was purchased between ten and ten thirty am. Either way,

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Speaker 2: this is six or seven hours after Anastasia's body was found.

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Speaker 2: It should be noted that no one in the public

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Speaker 2: Department sent out a media alert saying simply that a

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Speaker 2: woman's body had been found in Lincoln Cemetery. Stasia wasn't

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Speaker 2: publicly identified until later that day. Why Justin took his

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Speaker 2: own life is unknown. He left no note behind. Sergeant

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Speaker 2: Kilgore needs to learn more about Justin, so Justin's dad

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Speaker 2: allows him to search the condo. There, kil Gore collects clothes, shoes, books,

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Speaker 2: a prescription bottle containing three prozac pills, Justin's computer hard drive,

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Speaker 2: September nineteenth, nineteen ninety seven.

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Speaker 1: Just five weeks earlier.

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Speaker 2: In it, Anastasia writes, in part quote, I regret the

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Speaker 2: way I behaved last Friday.

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Speaker 1: I acted so irrationally.

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Speaker 2: I loved being loved by you, and I'm afraid that

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Speaker 2: because of what I did, I wiped out any and

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Speaker 2: all of the love you had for me. I know

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Speaker 2: you to anyone. October twenty eighth, five days after Anastasia

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Speaker 6: Do you remember what?

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Speaker 10: Yeah, she had on my black shoes. Yeah, she kind

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Speaker 4: And she had on.

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Speaker 4: She had on a tanker.

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Speaker 10: I don't know what kind of shirt her, what she

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Speaker 11: She had on a black bow.

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Speaker 5: Oa did she played?

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Speaker 4: Now? Now, she she didn't have a lot, but she

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Speaker 2: The clothes Francesca describes Anastasia wearing that day seem to

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Speaker 2: we go on. Anyway, Francesca says, about twenty minutes after

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Speaker 2: he was calling from. Lenexa is the town where Kelly

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Speaker 2: Moffett lives. Who was with Anastasia, Byron and Justin that night?

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Speaker 3: And did you have conversations?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can't, I sirs. You want to touch

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Speaker 10: She's at Mount Washington Cemetery when to meet you.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what happened, but I guess the friends

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Speaker 10: We thought that she didn't have a ride to get there,

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Speaker 4: And when ixplained it at that time, I don't know.

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Speaker 6: What anything else. Run in a conversation you had with him, Well, I.

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Speaker 10: Was mad at him because he wasn't going to pick

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Speaker 2: Justin wasn't going to be able to meet Anastasia at

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Speaker 2: After that, between five and five thirty, Francesca says her

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Speaker 2: Francesca says the phone rang.

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Speaker 1: It was Justin.

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Speaker 10: Justin May called again, saying that Siananas Desia had gotten

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Speaker 10: and she wanted to talk to him when she got

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Speaker 6: You show me her viron in the back and.

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Speaker 10: Do you know, I'm just saying only Yron in the

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Speaker 6: But did you say you wanted she got out of gun?

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Speaker 10: But she said that they had a fight and she

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Speaker 6: So what we're fighting about? H?

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Speaker 8: What else?

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Speaker 6: Did the time?

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Speaker 4: She emphasized that we weren't talking. Instead Jo and she

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Speaker 6: Kay m h, what's done?

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Speaker 5: Not?

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Speaker 8: Really?

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Speaker 4: We sing a little bit concerned. I mean that she

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I guess she was.

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Speaker 4: We thought that she was gonna walk home or.

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Speaker 6: Some say about what time was that he called you.

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Speaker 8: I'm not sure.

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Speaker 6: It wasn't that long.

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Speaker 4: I remember.

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Speaker 10: I remember now that he had said that she got

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Speaker 10: an hour, close to an hour or something. My dad, well,

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Speaker 4: I'm not sure she hadn't appeared.

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Speaker 10: He took of this, he had like been I probably

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Speaker 10: I didn't, okay.

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Speaker 2: Francesca says after her dad got home and later spoke

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Speaker 2: for Anastasia. Fran says she went to bed before her

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Speaker 2: at five am looking for Anastasia, but again couldn't find her.

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Speaker 2: Francesca says she went to school, then during seventh period

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Speaker 4: Went down to the office.

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Speaker 12: And anything so people and they take down.

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Speaker 2: Because she's so emotional. Francesca and Sergeant kil Gore go

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Speaker 2: again after.

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Speaker 3: That point in time, Did you have any conversations with

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Speaker 3: chessmin No, none of Do you have any conversations with Byron?

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Speaker 6: You know Byron's girlfriends.

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Speaker 4: All I know is that her name is Kelly and

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Speaker 6: Did any stay as you go to a birthday party

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Speaker 5: Yeah? When is that?

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Speaker 4: Oh? Either earlier that week about like not not that

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Speaker 10: It was either I think it was later that night

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Speaker 10: and she was like real upset about Justin and.

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Speaker 4: And she was real upset, and I was like, you know,

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Speaker 6: But did she tell you why she was upset?

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Speaker 4: Just that he didn't love her anymore and she didn't

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Speaker 6: Stuff.

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Speaker 10: She's said that she was miserable without him and that

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Speaker 10: you know, calm down, that hight go bed.

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Speaker 5: She left.

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Speaker 4: I didn't living on Monday or Tuesday night.

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Speaker 6: Okay, did there she ever tell you about one suicide?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 10: That night she had mentioned it, but well what ca Yeah,

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Speaker 10: when she came around crying, She's like she's like I'd

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Speaker 3: To know if anybody told you or talked to you

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Speaker 6: Uh, just my parents, Okay, none of your friends or.

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Speaker 6: You haven't talked to anybody about it.

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Speaker 4: I've touched some of her her friends, like.

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Speaker 11: Just basically, well, basically, what are they telling They haven't

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Speaker 2: Francesca says she spoke with one of Anastasia's friends named

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Speaker 10: I had emailed her about aunt Stasia's death and m

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Speaker 10: she knew she finished the email. She says, she calls

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Speaker 10: And she said that he had told us that she

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Speaker 5: That I mean.

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Speaker 10: I asked her if she thought that if he was lying,

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Speaker 4: And she said that he seemed very upset.

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Speaker 2: And then then friend says she spoke with another friend

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Speaker 2: of Anastasia's named Paige right but then a.

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Speaker 10: Tough Page, and she said that she'd seemed Byron like

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Speaker 4: I mean, she I don't think Page were like viron

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Speaker 6: There's something else about.

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Speaker 4: Well, I really all that.

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Speaker 10: Him is that he's, I'm not a very good person.

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Speaker 10: He had broken into one of his relatives houses or something,

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Speaker 4: I don't remember. And he had been like thriller involved.

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Speaker 10: In drugs and stuff, but that he supposedly hadn't done

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Speaker 5: Uh, And.

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Speaker 4: I don't know, he's he's like he was a lot

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Speaker 3: Did you know if he's involved in uh got the Vampire?

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Speaker 6: He was, well, I don't know he was.

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Speaker 10: He was like if there was like a leader of Bama,

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Speaker 10: I mean, dealing with God or anything, and parby him.

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Speaker 2: So Sergeant Kilgore just asked if Byron was engaged in

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Speaker 1: By the way, the goth.

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Speaker 2: Scene is going to end up playing a pretty big

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Speaker 2: after next up as their father, Bob Whitbolsfugen. Bob tells

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Speaker 2: He learned his wife Diane had dropped Anastasia off at

443
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:42,560
Speaker 2: Mount Washington Cemetery. He came home, talked to Justin, He

444
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 2: went out searching for Anastasia, then eventually got the awful

445
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 2: news that she'd been murdered. Then Sergeant Kilgore asks, have.

446
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:56,959
Speaker 3: You talked to anybody that's giving you any indications they

447
00:27:57,000 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 3: were present when.

448
00:27:58,320 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 6: She was killed. Yeah, I did.

449
00:28:19,560 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore just asked Anastasia's father, Bob Whipples Fugen, if

450
00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:28,040
Speaker 2: he has spoken with anyone who might have been present

451
00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:29,679
Speaker 2: when his daughter was killed.

452
00:28:30,680 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 1: Bob said, yes, he did. Well, here, he continues, I

453
00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:36,920
Speaker 1: have to think about the way he worded that.

454
00:28:37,080 --> 00:28:44,320
Speaker 3: I address that because I've either hypothesized or thought of

455
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 3: the situations which might have surrounded your death. The situation

456
00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:53,400
Speaker 3: that you are asking about now came to mind too,

457
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 3: that such a scenario might have existed because a long

458
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 3: timego old friend of Anastasia's named Paige said, called me up.

459
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 3: I think last Sunday evening or Monday evening she had

460
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 3: spoken with a friend of hers and by the name

461
00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 3: of Steve, that Steve had owned Anastasia and also knew Byron,

462
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 3: and that he went to find Byron.

463
00:29:23,120 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 5: But he couldn't and he found.

464
00:29:25,200 --> 00:29:28,880
Speaker 3: They'd gone somewhere, and that you talked to one of

465
00:29:28,920 --> 00:29:32,120
Speaker 3: Byron's friends, another one of Byron's friends, who said that

466
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:39,200
Speaker 3: Byron had knowledge of a gun and that Byron had

467
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 3: given justice justin gun that was loaded, only Justin didn't

468
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 3: know that it was.

469
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:50,000
Speaker 6: Loaded, and like you know, my jaw was dropping.

470
00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 3: Well, what you were telling me was that Byron had

471
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 3: given Justin. Again, Justin didn't know.

472
00:29:55,680 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 6: What was loaded.

473
00:29:56,720 --> 00:29:59,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so it didn't go to explain, well, why

474
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:03,640
Speaker 3: would test to point a gun at Anastasia loaded or not?

475
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 6: This is what Paige's going Dage.

476
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 3: Is telling me that she heard this from her friend Steve,

477
00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 3: that Byron had told a friend of his who he

478
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 3: was now Steve was talking to saying.

479
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 6: That he was there that evening Anastasia was killed.

480
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,200
Speaker 3: When Anastasia was killed, understanding where you're going with this,

481
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: it was an accidental shooting.

482
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,400
Speaker 6: That's the implication that it was an accident shooting.

483
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:34,520
Speaker 3: Do you have any any other information about how Anastasia

484
00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: got well, I other than just your speculation and theory.

485
00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 6: I mean, has anybody offered you any information?

486
00:30:43,560 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: Not that would have direct knowledge, only speculation.

487
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 2: Kil Gore then asks of Anastasia was interested in golf culture.

488
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:54,360
Speaker 5: Yeah, she went with the.

489
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 6: Goth book last year.

490
00:30:56,880 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 3: I know that there are phases with kids, and this

491
00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 3: started last year and last year in high school.

492
00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,680
Speaker 6: It seemed to give her a sense of identity.

493
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 5: And I didn't fight it too much.

494
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 6: I told her that I heard it. You know, she'd

495
00:31:13,880 --> 00:31:16,200
Speaker 6: not wear it all the time with the black.

496
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 3: Lipstick and stuff, as I've seen it on other people.

497
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,160
Speaker 3: Although I find her attractive, but I don't find her

498
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: attractive as she wears a black makeup and when she

499
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,560
Speaker 3: pleads refrain, so she would only do it occasionally once

500
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,480
Speaker 3: well actually a couple times a week, and it maybe

501
00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 3: when she was going out with a friend that she

502
00:31:34,720 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 3: would have to.

503
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:35,840
Speaker 6: Put this on.

504
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 3: Did she ever discuss suicide with you briefly? Yeah, she

505
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:46,360
Speaker 3: said that she on occasion had tried suicide. She could

506
00:31:46,440 --> 00:31:50,320
Speaker 3: never she could never come up with means for doing that,

507
00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 3: except that she says, well, you know, I heard people

508
00:31:53,440 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 3: can take enough drugs even ask for room, and they'd

509
00:31:57,920 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 3: be sick enough they could die.

510
00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:06,680
Speaker 6: And that's true. Ever attempted suicide, you would think that.

511
00:32:07,040 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, taking to a razor to your wrists and putting

512
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: some scratches there enough to create a little bleeding that

513
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 3: some bandages, gos vantages, you.

514
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,360
Speaker 5: Know when she comes and shows you, look what I

515
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 5: did do.

516
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 6: Do you have any advantages? That's I don'tsarily have a

517
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 6: serious suicide attempt.

518
00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 5: Did she have some reason for doing it?

519
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 6: Did she cut a rib?

520
00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 4: Oh?

521
00:32:32,040 --> 00:32:35,480
Speaker 3: No, I think She probably has tried that three on

522
00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 3: three different occasions. And she complained that you know the razors,

523
00:32:39,800 --> 00:32:41,960
Speaker 3: you know the safety razors. When's the last time is

524
00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 3: she trying? If she tried, I don't know about it.

525
00:32:44,600 --> 00:32:45,520
Speaker 3: She talked about it.

526
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 6: As recently as two three weeks ago.

527
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 3: She talked to you about cutting her rib Yeah, she said,

528
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 3: would please go out and buy some better razor blades?

529
00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 6: She wanted to cut her wrists?

530
00:32:57,080 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 3: Would I would she actually cut herself? Would have been

531
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 3: about that same time frame, two weeks ago?

532
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,400
Speaker 6: And where did she do? Is at her house?

533
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: And why did she do that?

534
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: I think because she was trying to say that she

535
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: was hurting me. You know that she wanted some answers

536
00:33:15,480 --> 00:33:17,480
Speaker 3: that she wasn't able to find them, that she was

537
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,320
Speaker 3: feeling helpless. And I had directed her to her counsel.

538
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:28,200
Speaker 3: I have a program which has helped me and deal

539
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 3: with difficult situations. And I encourage her to call this

540
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 3: member and set up appointments.

541
00:33:32,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 5: And she did that.

542
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 3: She did that as long ago as three and four

543
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 3: weeks ago. I was directing her that way, her mother

544
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 3: was directing her that way.

545
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 6: Was there Anna station familiar with firearms at all? No, no,

546
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 6: did you have firearms in your house?

547
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:47,520
Speaker 4: No?

548
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 6: I have no firearms in my house.

549
00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:53,160
Speaker 3: My dad grew up hunter and when many years ago

550
00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:56,200
Speaker 3: he passed away, and I didn't want any of those

551
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 3: things around my house.

552
00:33:57,920 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 6: And felt no need for them.

553
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 5: There. You have no no relirearms and that no.

554
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 2: They speak a short time, longer than the interview concludes.

555
00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:15,480
Speaker 2: The next day, Kilgore makes contact with Anastasia's friend, seventeen

556
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 2: year old Page. By the way, because some of these

557
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 2: kids were under age at the time, we have opted

558
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 2: not to include their last names, So both Francesca and

559
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 2: Bob said in their interviews that Page may know or

560
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: have heard something about what happened the night Anastasia was killed.

561
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 2: It seems the beginning of Kilgore's call with Page isn't recorded.

562
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,080
Speaker 2: When the tape starts, kill Gore says, quote, are you

563
00:34:41,160 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: still with me? I apologize for that in his report,

564
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,720
Speaker 2: though Kilgore notes what wasn't on the tape that Page

565
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 2: said she had spoken with a guy named Steve Elliott.

566
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:57,040
Speaker 2: Steve Elliott supposedly spoke with some other unknown person who

567
00:34:57,160 --> 00:35:03,840
Speaker 2: Byron directly talked to about that night. Again, supposedly, Byron

568
00:35:03,960 --> 00:35:09,479
Speaker 2: told this unknown person that that night, he Kelly, Justin,

569
00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 2: and Anastasia were in the cemetery and they had a

570
00:35:13,160 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 2: gun with them. Supposedly, Byron secretly loaded the gun and

571
00:35:20,040 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 2: handed it to Justin. Justin pointed the gun at Anastasia

572
00:35:24,520 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 2: and pulled the trigger, not knowing the gun was loaded.

573
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 2: Kilgore and Page's conversation then continues on tape. By the way,

574
00:35:34,200 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 2: you're going to hear a few beets during their recorded call.

575
00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 5: How would I get hold of Steve rather than where

576
00:35:41,760 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 5: he works?

577
00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:43,600
Speaker 13: Oh, I don't know.

578
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 5: Okay, you don't know where he lives or.

579
00:35:45,800 --> 00:35:46,760
Speaker 8: I don't know where he lives.

580
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 5: And do you have any idea who this friend of

581
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 5: Byron that he got this information from him?

582
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 8: No?

583
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 5: Pick, Do you believe him Steve? Yes?

584
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 13: Yes, I believe that Byron is a big part of this.

585
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,440
Speaker 13: I've had that gut feeling since it happened. I Firon

586
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 13: has always hated Anathasia when I started why because he

587
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 13: thought she was really annoying and he went to school

588
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,160
Speaker 13: with her. And I was friends with Firon a long

589
00:36:18,239 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 13: time ago, and when I started hanging out, I told

590
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 13: I sort of mentioned Anastasia's name, and He's like, oh,

591
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 13: I hate that bitch blah blah. When I was one,

592
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:29,600
Speaker 13: and it was odd to me when the three got

593
00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 13: together as like a little group, because then they were

594
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 13: like inseparable, and that's when I started. But I was

595
00:36:38,800 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 13: not talking to Byron a long time ago.

596
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 8: Because he just got weird and I didn't trust him anymore.

597
00:36:43,760 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 6: And then.

598
00:36:46,120 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 13: When Annathasa justin got together, I sort of separated since them,

599
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 13: and I haven't talked to them in a long time.

600
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 8: I haven't talked to a lot of them in a

601
00:36:55,239 --> 00:36:55,640
Speaker 8: long time.

602
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,360
Speaker 5: When's the last time you did talk down stage?

603
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 13: About four weeks ago?

604
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 5: Do you remember what you guys talked about?

605
00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 13: Yes, well, I was sort of angry at her, so

606
00:37:07,160 --> 00:37:08,240
Speaker 13: I really didn't say anything.

607
00:37:09,080 --> 00:37:10,359
Speaker 5: And why were you angry at.

608
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 13: Because but like last lat the end of last year,

609
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 13: we had a study hall together and she was talking

610
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 13: about Byron. I guess she really liked Byron and was

611
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:26,160
Speaker 13: really close to Byron at the time, and she was

612
00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 13: talking to some people about how glad he was, and

613
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,400
Speaker 13: I sort of jumped in and said, hey, Byron's an asshole,

614
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 13: and then she she's like, no, he's not an asshole,

615
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:37,200
Speaker 13: and they said, well, yes he is, actually, and she goes,

616
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 13: why do you say that? And I said, because he

617
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 13: sucked around with my head. He liked to play with

618
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 13: my emotions. And he's like, well, everyone likes the fuck

619
00:37:47,239 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 13: around with your Headpage. This something we do, and that's

620
00:37:50,520 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 13: why I was sort of angry at her and I

621
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 13: didn't talked to her all summer.

622
00:37:54,800 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 5: Okay, dude, are you in the goss? No, I'm not.

623
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,600
Speaker 8: Okay, I did go to a cemetery last year.

624
00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 5: Okay, Uh, do you know anything about it about the goths? Yes?

625
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,640
Speaker 13: Yeah, I have a lot of I guess say god friend.

626
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: Okay, have you ever heard of the investigators had received

627
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 2: a tip that Byron, Kelly, Justin, and Anastasia had some

628
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 2: kind of goth suicide pact, So kil Gore asks Page

629
00:38:28,520 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: about it.

630
00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 5: Okay, have you ever heard of a death pact?

631
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 4: No?

632
00:38:34,080 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 13: I heard of that from.

633
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:39,440
Speaker 4: One day.

634
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,919
Speaker 13: I was informed of the death pact between I guess

635
00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 13: in the state and Byron and Justin. I didn't know

636
00:38:47,320 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 13: they had it.

637
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 8: I just I just heard.

638
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 5: Do you know what it is?

639
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 14: Who would do you know anybody that would be able

640
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 14: to tell me a little bit about this? John, I'm

641
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 14: just an old guy, you know, I'm not do stuff

642
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:01,680
Speaker 14: or anythings.

643
00:39:01,960 --> 00:39:07,000
Speaker 13: Guys, I don't know. I really don't know. I never

644
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:09,520
Speaker 13: knew anything about I talked to anybody about.

645
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,239
Speaker 14: Yeah, I've got onto the internet last night looking for

646
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 14: something about I couldn't find anything. Like I said, I'm

647
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 14: just an old guy and I'm not into the fads

648
00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 14: and the way young people are doing.

649
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 5: So I thought I thought I should know a little

650
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 5: bit about it.

651
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,760
Speaker 13: Yeah, goes to the curiosity. What's happening with Siren?

652
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 5: Well, could you be specific.

653
00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 4: For one?

654
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:39,759
Speaker 13: I feel like he is a big part of this.

655
00:39:39,880 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 13: I feel like, well, the thing is, he was always

656
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 13: the third week, he was always the third wheel. He

657
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 13: was always always, always with them, And I totally forgot

658
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:54,000
Speaker 13: about this. Byron and Justin from what I hear, were

659
00:39:54,080 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 13: lovers at one point.

660
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 5: Oh really, yeah, I forgot about that. How How would

661
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,080
Speaker 5: I go about to substantiate them.

662
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 13: I don't know. I really don't know.

663
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: Their conversation is about to wrap up.

664
00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,200
Speaker 5: If you do hear anything, please please call me. I

665
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 5: will tell your friends to do so. I need to

666
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 5: get to the truth it is.

667
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 6: I need to find out.

668
00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 14: How and why Anastasia was killed. Well, I know she's

669
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 14: had someone, she's got some brands. She got family, you know,

670
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 14: we owe it to them, to you, you know, to

671
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:36,480
Speaker 14: find out the truth exactly what happened, and I can

672
00:40:36,520 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 14: do some help.

673
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 13: Yeah.

674
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:43,640
Speaker 2: I reach out to Page to see if she'd be

675
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,839
Speaker 2: willing to talk with me, but she declines to participate.

676
00:40:47,840 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 2: It should be noted that kil Gore does follow up

677
00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:55,800
Speaker 2: on Page's information about Steve Elliott. Elliott had supposedly heard

678
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 2: that Byron told some unknown person he secretly loaded the

679
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 2: gun and handed it to Justin. Justin then pulled a trigger,

680
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 2: killing Anastasia, not knowing the gun was loaded. Steve Elliott

681
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: tells Kilgore he doesn't know anyone who's talked to Byron,

682
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 2: and from what he hears, Byron doesn't know anything about

683
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 2: how Anastasia was killed.

684
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:16,880
Speaker 1: Okay.

685
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: As the investigation continues. On October twenty eighth, Justin is

686
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 2: laid to rest in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Kelly's mom, Deborah, drives

687
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 2: her and Byron to the service. Days later, they attend

688
00:41:31,000 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 2: Anastasia's funeral. She has an open casket and is cremated.

689
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:36,479
Speaker 1: Soon after.

690
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:42,359
Speaker 2: October thirty, First Sergeant Ron Kellogg interviews eighteen year old

691
00:41:42,520 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 2: Abraham Nisley. He was the friend who paged Byron the

692
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 2: night of the twenty second and asked him to come

693
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: by and pick up some stuff he had of his

694
00:41:51,160 --> 00:41:57,520
Speaker 2: ex girlfriends Tara McDowell. There's no mention of Abraham's interview

695
00:41:57,600 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 2: being recorded, but there somehow is a trans script of it.

696
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,760
Speaker 2: Abraham tells Sergeant Kellogg he paged Byron on the twenty

697
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,160
Speaker 2: second around eight eight point fifteen, and Byron called him

698
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 2: right back from Justin's house. He says, Byron, Kelly and

699
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 2: Justin came by and told the story that Anastasia got

700
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:21,200
Speaker 2: out of the car around seven point thirty. Abraham says

701
00:42:21,680 --> 00:42:24,920
Speaker 2: the three left his place by eight forty five so

702
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:28,000
Speaker 2: they could get Kelly home for her nine o'clock curfew.

703
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 2: Abraham says the next day, on the twenty third, after

704
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:36,400
Speaker 2: he saw Anastasia's murder reported on the early evening news.

705
00:42:36,680 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: He paged Byron nine one one.

706
00:42:39,920 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 2: When they spoke, Abraham says, Byron was shocked and asked, quote,

707
00:42:45,160 --> 00:42:50,520
Speaker 2: where's Lincoln Cemetery. Abraham also tells Kellogg he heard Justin

708
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:53,800
Speaker 2: had a gun but sold it a couple of weeks before.

709
00:42:55,360 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: After Abraham's interview concludes, he's arrested on an outstanding traffic warrant.

710
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: November fourth, doctor Thomas Young, the Jackson County Medical Examiner,

711
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 2: releases Anastasia's autopsy report. In it is a description of

712
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:15,320
Speaker 2: what she was wearing. Black Doc Martin's shoes, gray socks,

713
00:43:15,680 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 2: black dead and pants, a light brown corduroy coat, a

714
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 2: dark gray pullover shirt, a black bra, and black underwear

715
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 2: containing a pad in the pants pockets. There's three dollars

716
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 2: and sixty five cents in bills and change on her body.

717
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 2: There are a couple of small yellow green contusions on

718
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:40,520
Speaker 2: her left knee and a faint yellow green contusion on

719
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,560
Speaker 2: her front right lower leg. There are no defensive wounds.

720
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: Then the gunshot wound is described. It's a contact gunshot

721
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 2: wound to the tip of the nose. A slight, dark

722
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: sooty deposit is noted around the face. The wound track

723
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: traveled directly from front to back. A distorted lead bullet

724
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: fragment is recovered from the hair of the posterior scalp.

725
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:12,200
Speaker 2: Final cause of death gunshot wound to nose, unknown type

726
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 2: of gun. Also unknown is when exactly Anastasia was killed.

727
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: There were no drugs or alcohol found in her system.

728
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,280
Speaker 2: A sexual assault evidence kit showed no signs of semen

729
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,920
Speaker 2: or evidence of injury. There was blood in her vagina,

730
00:44:33,719 --> 00:44:36,600
Speaker 2: but the feminine napkin attached to the crotch area is

731
00:44:36,719 --> 00:44:41,520
Speaker 2: quote not stained. The underwear had quote no visible stains

732
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:57,959
Speaker 2: or where. On November fifth, two weeks after Anastasia's death,

733
00:44:58,400 --> 00:45:02,360
Speaker 2: her dad Bob brings sarge at Kilgore Anastasia's computer, some

734
00:45:02,680 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 2: floppy disks, and a few undated letters. Anastasia wrote Justin.

735
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,680
Speaker 2: It's unclear if Justin ever read these letters, but in

736
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,879
Speaker 2: one of them, Anastasia wrote, in part quote, I feel

737
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 2: I should explain myself from Thursday so as to assure

738
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: you that you are not living with a psycho suicidal person.

739
00:45:22,360 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 2: I don't believe I would have killed myself, well, at

740
00:45:25,280 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 2: least intentionally. I truly did want to die when it happened.

741
00:45:30,360 --> 00:45:32,719
Speaker 2: She goes on to write, there are no words to

742
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,080
Speaker 2: describe the pain I felt. Hopefully I will never feel

743
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 2: it again. We obviously have no way of knowing what

744
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:46,120
Speaker 2: Anastasia was referring to. Later that morning, Sergeant Kilgore goes

745
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 2: to the Whipple's Fugen residence and searches Anastasia's room kill

746
00:45:51,080 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 2: Gore notes in his report that Anastasia's room seemed to

747
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: be in the process of being boxed up. Kil Gore

748
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,840
Speaker 2: collects some clothes, a videotape of the band The Cure,

749
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 2: and a couple of notebooks. It will take some time

750
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,440
Speaker 2: for investigators to go through Anastasia's hard drive. That same day,

751
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:14,840
Speaker 2: Sergeant Kilgore is faxed a letter. It says, in part quote,

752
00:46:15,400 --> 00:46:18,239
Speaker 2: I am rather surprised no one from your office has

753
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 2: tried to contact me since I had extensive communication with

754
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:29,879
Speaker 2: her prior to death. It's signed Betsy Owens. That's Anastasia's mother.

755
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 2: Although Betsy had briefly spoken with Sergeant Kellogg the day

756
00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 2: Anastasia was found, fourteen days have gone by with no

757
00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:43,520
Speaker 2: one from the Sheriff's department asking to interview Anastasia's own mother.

758
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 2: Two days later, Sergeant Kilgore sits down with Betsy, who

759
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 2: is Bob Six's wife. Although Anastasia and her mom, Betsy

760
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 2: talked and saw each other often. Anastasia had been living

761
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,399
Speaker 2: with Bob and his wife Diane after she and Justin

762
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:03,200
Speaker 2: broke up that summer. Here are some of Betsy's tape

763
00:47:03,239 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 2: recorded interview. The audio is not great, but what Betsy

764
00:47:07,480 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 2: shares is important. Oh and from time to time you'll

765
00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,880
Speaker 2: hear Betsy refer to Anastasia as Stacy.

766
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:16,560
Speaker 6: Did.

767
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 15: I just spoke to her that Wednesday. I spoke to

768
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 15: her Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday. That Monday, she was a

769
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,520
Speaker 15: little bit depressed, not wanting to.

770
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,839
Speaker 8: Live that type of thing.

771
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 4: What's doing?

772
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 3: He said, when you spoke with her on Monday or tune,

773
00:47:35,840 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 3: she did she comment about wanting to still tell.

774
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,239
Speaker 15: Yeah, she but she didn't want anything to do with

775
00:47:44,400 --> 00:47:48,200
Speaker 15: blood and that because she's happening to do with anything

776
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 15: that would cause her to believe by cutting her list,

777
00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:53,560
Speaker 15: that was about what did she expect.

778
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 2: But that's not what Betsy's ex husband, Anastasia's father, Bob,

779
00:47:58,200 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 2: told Sergeant Kilgore. He said that Anastasia had asked him

780
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 2: to buy sharp raisers so she could cut her wrists

781
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:08,960
Speaker 2: as recently as two weeks before her death, about.

782
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:11,960
Speaker 8: How she wanted to do it with you.

783
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:16,560
Speaker 15: She originally a remember so before she caught up and

784
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 15: after that, my brothers were described sleeping pills and my

785
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:23,760
Speaker 15: two of my brothers a doctor piving fellows are restricted

786
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 15: drug and just can't get those and they're not going

787
00:48:27,000 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 15: to give them to you, and because they're not going

788
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 15: to use their license of it.

789
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 8: And I thought, you know, but she was wanting something

790
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 8: where she could she didn't want to do an act

791
00:48:36,040 --> 00:48:37,720
Speaker 8: of death or she did.

792
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:41,120
Speaker 15: It because she tried her life in her wrist and

793
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:44,239
Speaker 15: she cut her wrist up this direction on the roost.

794
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 8: This went in prosily in the bakall of May.

795
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,480
Speaker 6: Like nine, yeah, this year.

796
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,840
Speaker 8: And when I was talking to.

797
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:02,359
Speaker 15: Sergeant Kellogg and Bob over the day that I found

798
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 15: out on that Thursday that she died. Oopsidy just laughed

799
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 15: at her when she did that.

800
00:49:07,880 --> 00:49:10,320
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was really applied because I kept trying to

801
00:49:10,360 --> 00:49:13,319
Speaker 8: get him to take her to the accountry. I thought

802
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 8: that was an extremely serio. He's more for emotionally the strength.

803
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 6: Before you know, Illinois her father.

804
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,560
Speaker 15: Yeah, but he should have known and don't like someone

805
00:49:22,600 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 15: who makes it an active attent pup. I knew that

806
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 15: she just doesn't like blood at all. I mean, should

807
00:49:27,680 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 15: just go freak out. And she got a little cup

808
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 15: in the times she was a kid, you know, and

809
00:49:33,320 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 15: she didn't like menstal periods because of bleeding and that

810
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:36,480
Speaker 15: type of thing.

811
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 6: And you know, she just did not like blood at all.

812
00:49:42,200 --> 00:49:45,640
Speaker 6: And did she comment on that period that.

813
00:49:46,120 --> 00:49:50,000
Speaker 15: She okay, Yeah, she asked me that l station to

814
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:52,120
Speaker 15: make a period, supposed to start to drink. Can I

815
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:57,520
Speaker 15: delay it anyhow? If she wanted to delay because she

816
00:49:57,640 --> 00:50:01,319
Speaker 15: was going to go out with Justin, And I thought,

817
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 15: you know, sometimes you can delay it by taking an extra.

818
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 6: Books in hotels.

819
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:07,680
Speaker 8: I had got myron Worth control pills by for the

820
00:50:07,719 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 8: bottle blades.

821
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:08,759
Speaker 6: Too late.

822
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,760
Speaker 8: It was, you know, it was starting a matter of hours.

823
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,360
Speaker 5: It might not work. Yeah, And.

824
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:18,839
Speaker 15: But she, you know, evidently was planning on going out

825
00:50:18,840 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 15: and having sex or hoping to have sex with him.

826
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:26,759
Speaker 15: Evidently sex was very important to her for making love

827
00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 15: in her knowing that's important.

828
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 6: I had Evidently he did not.

829
00:50:34,440 --> 00:50:36,359
Speaker 8: Was not have been interested in fact, but I think

830
00:50:36,440 --> 00:50:39,759
Speaker 8: he had a lot of depression, had been on coming.

831
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,160
Speaker 4: Sack.

832
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:42,279
Speaker 5: When do you know this?

833
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,800
Speaker 8: The fact that she told me, She told me he

834
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 8: was on phone sacked, but he hadn't taken it for

835
00:50:46,960 --> 00:50:47,760
Speaker 8: about two months.

836
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:52,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, but he said sadly the kids were subjected to

837
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 2: suicide early on in their lives.

838
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: Bob's brother took his own life in nineteen eighty six.

839
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:02,080
Speaker 5: Want to do yea rest and yeah, but.

840
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 8: Not because she's something. She had been depressed. She was

841
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 8: starting to pick out.

842
00:51:07,360 --> 00:51:10,040
Speaker 11: But I also know that that's a dangerous to soone

843
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:14,239
Speaker 11: was going to sto that would be you know, uh,

844
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 11: it's when they start getting better you have to really worry.

845
00:51:18,719 --> 00:51:21,560
Speaker 8: But she was talking a little more optimist to tell

846
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:23,560
Speaker 8: you that she was going to do sing.

847
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 6: So she was happy.

848
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 9: Her feelings all, whether she was happy or sad, seemed

849
00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:31,799
Speaker 9: to be really tied up with Justine and.

850
00:51:32,800 --> 00:51:34,200
Speaker 8: You like a lot of eighteen.

851
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:38,239
Speaker 11: Also the madly a lot becalled her, she's happy if

852
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 11: they don't call her sad.

853
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:40,560
Speaker 6: That mine the phone.

854
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:45,400
Speaker 3: But when she was afraid that he was going to

855
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 3: have to go back and lid falsa.

856
00:51:48,400 --> 00:51:50,279
Speaker 6: But she was also born enough, you know she was.

857
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,680
Speaker 6: Then she looked okays.

858
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,759
Speaker 1: The subject then turns to drugs and then.

859
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,279
Speaker 9: She h so what she had tried heroin, and she

860
00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:05,000
Speaker 9: had tried powder, cocaine, and she had tried to ask

861
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,040
Speaker 9: and just trying different things.

862
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,239
Speaker 2: Tilgore then asks when Bessy learned Anastasia was missing. It

863
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:15,800
Speaker 2: turns out Bessy never even knew she was missing.

864
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 6: I'll call me.

865
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 9: About ten ten thirty Thursday morning. This kind of pisses

866
00:52:23,040 --> 00:52:24,640
Speaker 9: me up. Hey, if a kid didn't show her up,

867
00:52:24,680 --> 00:52:25,359
Speaker 9: do I come home?

868
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 5: You know, let me know, you know.

869
00:52:30,360 --> 00:52:32,360
Speaker 6: He says he tried to call enough the message with

870
00:52:32,480 --> 00:52:34,959
Speaker 6: one of the kids. I don't know. The kids aren't

871
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:36,680
Speaker 6: always real good at giving messages.

872
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,000
Speaker 9: But he called me at work and said that for

873
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 9: one thing, he needed the information that he wanted me

874
00:52:43,880 --> 00:52:46,880
Speaker 9: to know that Stacy disappeared.

875
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:50,680
Speaker 6: She didn't come home last night. She had been out

876
00:52:50,680 --> 00:52:53,560
Speaker 6: with Chestin and something. She didn't come home, and.

877
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:59,680
Speaker 9: He had reported it to the police, and someone was

878
00:52:59,719 --> 00:53:01,840
Speaker 9: going to be coming by and they wanted pictures and

879
00:53:01,920 --> 00:53:06,520
Speaker 9: double records. Well, shit, you know what the particulars were,

880
00:53:06,560 --> 00:53:10,360
Speaker 9: and said that Justin said that Stacey had gotten pissed

881
00:53:10,400 --> 00:53:13,360
Speaker 9: off and gotten out of the car. There I seventy

882
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 9: and four thirty five and Truman Road, And I thought, so,

883
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 9: I mean, I can see Stacy getting pissed off and

884
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,360
Speaker 9: jumping out of car. She's been known to do that before.

885
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:29,160
Speaker 9: But she heads for the nearest telephone in calls. She's

886
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,239
Speaker 9: you know, lazy, and she didn't like to walk. That's

887
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 9: why I was curious.

888
00:53:34,440 --> 00:53:37,920
Speaker 2: Barely a day after learning her eldest daughter had been murdered.

889
00:53:38,480 --> 00:53:41,719
Speaker 2: Betsy says Byron's mom called her, and the day after that,

890
00:53:42,560 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 2: she says, Byron called.

891
00:53:44,440 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 6: And Byron's mother called me on Thursday night.

892
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:52,759
Speaker 9: To say that Byron had talked with her and said

893
00:53:52,760 --> 00:53:54,840
Speaker 9: that Stacey had gotten out of the car or whatever.

894
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:55,279
Speaker 5: You know.

895
00:53:55,920 --> 00:53:59,160
Speaker 6: No, now I can tell you what Byron said. What

896
00:53:59,320 --> 00:53:59,880
Speaker 6: he called me.

897
00:54:01,120 --> 00:54:05,759
Speaker 9: He said, you ought to know that she wasn't sexually lost. Well,

898
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 9: this was Friday night. I haven't talked to anyone. Why

899
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 9: how are they releasing that to some kind of kid,

900
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:16,479
Speaker 9: you know, giving him that information? I mean, that didn't

901
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 9: make any sense us. He thought he was relieving the

902
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:21,360
Speaker 9: mother's mine. So all these people are kind of calling

903
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:23,839
Speaker 9: up and giving these stories. Why you know he talked

904
00:54:23,840 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 9: to the Sheriff's department. You know, I tried not to

905
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:29,359
Speaker 9: beg the Sheriff's department because I begure you had an

906
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:30,400
Speaker 9: investigation to do.

907
00:54:30,480 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 6: And as soon as you knew something, you've let me know.

908
00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 9: Yeah, all these calog had my name and members, so

909
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 9: you know, someone could get ahold of me.

910
00:54:38,680 --> 00:54:40,720
Speaker 6: And I thought, well as.

911
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:43,480
Speaker 9: Whole if I called my first husband, could you know

912
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 9: it was better if on than one of us were

913
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:50,320
Speaker 9: bugging and you know, bugging the department anyway, And I

914
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:55,880
Speaker 9: thinking with Bob he have some type of learning disability

915
00:54:55,920 --> 00:54:58,960
Speaker 9: where he can talk off around something and he got.

916
00:54:58,760 --> 00:55:01,920
Speaker 6: The most important for me that you know needs to

917
00:55:02,000 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 6: be said.

918
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:06,320
Speaker 9: So yeah, but I said, well, maybe they're just keeping

919
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 9: things now, you know, you know, asshole saying she was

920
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,200
Speaker 9: shot with a high.

921
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 6: Powered rifle with anthoscope of things. You know, Robert's telling

922
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:17,800
Speaker 6: you that.

923
00:55:18,040 --> 00:55:20,040
Speaker 16: Yeah, he was saying that, or was he basing that

924
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 16: where I think somebody is standing behind it, you know,

925
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,719
Speaker 16: a busher or something or whatever, and was shot at her.

926
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 9: You know, yeah, he could be having all kind of

927
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 9: suffidencies the space to tell you you can go just

928
00:55:42,440 --> 00:55:44,160
Speaker 9: in her Byern being bisexual.

929
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,520
Speaker 6: No, well I thought they were just.

930
00:55:51,840 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 9: I've never heard that, but that might explain some things,

931
00:55:58,360 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 9: you know, if he wasn't lit the last to her especially,

932
00:56:01,800 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 9: and Byran was always it was kill like.

933
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:08,360
Speaker 6: A triangle there. The Byron was always over there. But

934
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,520
Speaker 6: I think if she had thought that Justin was gay,

935
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 6: that she would have you know, she would have pulled

936
00:56:15,920 --> 00:56:19,279
Speaker 6: a buck from that. You know, well it pissed her off.

937
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 6: So is there anything else about what you can think of?

938
00:56:25,600 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 6: That Stacy's told you or anybody else told you that

939
00:56:30,239 --> 00:56:30,920
Speaker 6: I should be aware of.

940
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:34,440
Speaker 9: Well, I could see it being a suicide though, and

941
00:56:34,560 --> 00:56:38,120
Speaker 9: then the others seeing what damage occurred and chicken a lot,

942
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 9: you know.

943
00:56:39,760 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 6: Or why I don't think I want that. I can

944
00:56:42,200 --> 00:56:44,799
Speaker 6: see Stacy's being the leader that she wasn't saying well,

945
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,440
Speaker 6: I'll go first. Or do you think something like that

946
00:56:49,600 --> 00:56:50,080
Speaker 6: did happen?

947
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:51,000
Speaker 8: I don't know.

948
00:56:51,120 --> 00:56:52,480
Speaker 6: It's possible. I don't know.

949
00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 2: Sadly, Betsy Owens passed away in twenty twenty four while

950
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 2: while we were producing this podcast. Our sincerest condolences to

951
00:57:04,520 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 2: her family. Okay, I know this episode is a lot

952
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:14,760
Speaker 2: chasing down leads, gathering evidence, and interviewing witnesses, family and friends.

953
00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,360
Speaker 2: Is just some of what happened in the investigation in

954
00:57:18,440 --> 00:57:22,760
Speaker 2: the first two weeks after Anastasia's death. So far, what

955
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:25,920
Speaker 2: we mainly have are a lot of rumors and speculation,

956
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 2: including an alleged suicide pact and justin accidentally shooting Anastasia

957
00:57:32,440 --> 00:57:37,640
Speaker 2: with a gun Byron secretly loaded. And there are conflicting

958
00:57:37,720 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: reports of when Anastasia was at the Dairy Queen, when

959
00:57:41,240 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 2: she left, and what she was wearing. This investigation is

960
00:57:46,240 --> 00:57:50,360
Speaker 2: just getting started and where it's about to go no

961
00:57:50,520 --> 00:57:52,800
Speaker 2: one could possibly have imagined.

962
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 1: Next time on The Real Killer.

963
00:58:01,200 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 6: Thanks good enough? Is number? You're thirteen?

964
00:58:05,040 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: Let the number thirteen?

965
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,520
Speaker 2: Could a cding not far from Lincoln Cemetery possibly lead

966
00:58:10,600 --> 00:58:11,200
Speaker 2: to the killer?

967
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 9: He looks like a ghost by gad, We must have

968
00:58:15,360 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 9: come out of that cemetery scared?

969
00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 6: Why does ache?

970
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 2: And A second attempt to interview a suspect is met

971
00:58:22,880 --> 00:58:24,840
Speaker 2: with some strong resistance.

972
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 3: I book, I mean through mine.

973
00:58:31,160 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 6: I mean I can't offer any more information.

974
00:58:34,320 --> 00:58:35,800
Speaker 5: You need not even on my questions?

975
00:58:36,360 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 6: Are you afraid to attack me?

976
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:47,880
Speaker 2: The views and opinions expressed in this podcast are solely

977
00:58:48,040 --> 00:58:52,800
Speaker 2: those of the individuals participating in the podcast. If you,

978
00:58:53,400 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: or someone you know is experiencing suicidal thoughts or a crisis,

979
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:02,520
Speaker 2: please no help is available. Call or text nine eight eight,

980
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:06,640
Speaker 2: or chat online at the Suicide and Crisis Lifelines website

981
00:59:07,240 --> 00:59:11,520
Speaker 2: at nine eight eight lifeline dot org. To see photos,

982
00:59:11,600 --> 00:59:15,000
Speaker 2: maps and documents related to this season's story, follow The

983
00:59:15,080 --> 00:59:20,280
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984
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:27,840
Speaker 2: The Real Killer is a production of AYR Media and iHeartMedia,

985
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:33,080
Speaker 2: hosted by me Leah Rothman. Executive producers Leah Rothman and

986
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Speaker 2: Elisa Rosen.

987
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Speaker 1: For AYR Media.

988
00:59:36,200 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 2: Written by Leah Rothman, Editing and sound design by Cameron Taggi,

989
00:59:41,920 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 2: Mixed and mastered by Cameron Taggi. Production coordinator Andy Levine,

990
00:59:47,640 --> 00:59:54,480
Speaker 2: Audio engineer Justin Longerbeam studio engineer Graham Gibson. Legal council

991
00:59:54,560 --> 01:00:00,520
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