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Speaker 1: Dunks podcast on the Athletic Network.

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Speaker 2: It's Thursday, June twentieth, twenty twenty four. This is the drop.

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Speaker 2: I'm Jay Skeiths here in the Classic Factory and alongside

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Speaker 2: me as always Tass Mellis.

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Speaker 3: Fans of the best twelve month sport in the world,

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Speaker 3: this one is for you.

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Speaker 2: Sorry soccer and over yonder making the magic happen. Super

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Speaker 2: producer jd. Hello, there he is here. We are no

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Speaker 2: Trade today. He'll be back next week. He's up in

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Speaker 2: Illinois with the Fam on todays show. We got a

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Speaker 2: lot to talk about now. Jumping around here, We're gonna

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Speaker 2: discuss the Pistons firing Money Williams. We'll get into whether

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Speaker 2: the Pelicans should look to trade brandon Ingram, and later

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Speaker 2: we're gonna rank the last top ten NBA finals in

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Speaker 2: terms of pure entertainments. But first, if you're joining this

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Speaker 2: live or if you're catching this podcast mad early, it's

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Speaker 2: last call for Weggies. That's right, only two, three, maybe

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Speaker 2: breaking Weggie shirt over at No dunks dot com. We

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Speaker 2: said after the finals ended and we had our final

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Speaker 2: tally of sixty three wedgies a record breaking season, that

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Speaker 2: this shirt would only be available for sixty three hours,

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Speaker 2: so I fit at two pm Eastern today here on Thursday,

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Speaker 2: it officially comes down. So if you haven't got one yet,

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Speaker 2: so thank you. Yes you know, don't hesitate and click

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Speaker 2: on that link in the show notes, go to no

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Speaker 3: Yeah, minutes ago, I got an email from Breaking Tea saying,

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Speaker 3: last call, grab this No Dunk's Wedgie shirt. It's got

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Speaker 3: that shirt at the top, and then it's got a

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Speaker 3: Banner eighteen shirt for the Celtics. I thought at first

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Speaker 3: it was Bonner sixteen because I remember Matt Bonner wearing

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Speaker 3: number sixteen or fifteen, depending on the year. What I

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Speaker 3: want to do a tally of yes, sixty three wedgies,

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Speaker 3: lots of weggies. We put together, all sixty three weggies

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Speaker 3: in a video montage. Put them all together.

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Speaker 2: Yep.

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Speaker 3: I want to do some numbers of how many broadcasters

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Speaker 3: said weggie, because.

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Speaker 2: There was a lot. It's extremely high. It felt like

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Speaker 2: ninety percent of those clips was weggie.

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Speaker 3: Was mentioned Yeah, that's what I'm going to do after

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Speaker 3: the show. Just count by an eagle obviously, he said it.

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Speaker 2: You get Eagle or Harlan callin a Weggie. I mean,

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Speaker 2: your season's made.

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Speaker 3: That was fine.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, go check that out. Shout out to Eshua for

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Speaker 2: helping compile all of those that's up on YouTube. We

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Speaker 2: posted that video yesterday. It's a fun watch.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it is.

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Speaker 2: Takes you back, and you're right, it's weird seeing those

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Speaker 2: in season tw courses. Whoa, it's crazy.

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Speaker 3: All right.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into the actual NBA news, let's give

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Speaker 2: you an NBA Finals draft and the results. Because remember,

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Speaker 2: back on June fifth, we did a Maverick Celtics NBA

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Speaker 2: Finals draft. We were using the old snake draft format.

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Speaker 2: We drafted five players each to our squads. After some debate,

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Speaker 2: we decided on using NBA dot COM's fantasy points to

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Speaker 2: determine the winner and the loser, whoever's in last place.

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Speaker 2: I think we also decided on had to be the

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Speaker 2: one to take out their wallet in Las Vegas at

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Speaker 2: a dinner. We're inevitably going to have and have to

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so handling the transaction was the only thing that

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Speaker 2: And you know what, they said, what's the big deal?

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Speaker 2: Why wouldn't you like, wouldn't it be more stakes if

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Speaker 2: like Task had to pay or I had to pay,

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Speaker 2: Trey had to pay. Sure, But you know what, at

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Speaker 2: the end of a long meal, drinks flow and food flowing,

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Speaker 2: great conversation. Yeah, I don't have to worry about this

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Speaker 2: well who won, but more importantly who lost. So we'll

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Speaker 2: go through the teams in order of how we selected.

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Speaker 2: I had the number one pick. I obviously took Luca.

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Speaker 2: a bad final round pick. There Tray's team five hundred

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Speaker 2: But he had Gafford and then he had Hardy with

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Speaker 2: This will decide, Oh, Tasmellis is our winner with six

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Speaker 2: to you, Task, you beat me by a total of

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Speaker 2: thirteen points. And Trey Kirby will be the one pulling

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Speaker 2: Watch him go crazy with the tip has bankrupt us.

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Speaker 2: You asked for it, you got it, so you know,

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Speaker 3: It was very close. Yeah. Looking back at the draft,

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Speaker 3: myself being the third pick not a bad spot. I

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Speaker 3: wonder where in the Snake draft is the worst spot

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Speaker 3: middle where Trey was, because going through the order, breaking

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Speaker 2: Good those were one two, Yeah, total total Fantasy points.

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Speaker 3: Then you went with PJ. Washington, you're happy with that

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Speaker 2: The liver, like you'd like to see the guy cracking

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Speaker 2: one hundred points in a five game series in terms

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Speaker 2: of Fantasy points. Yeah, he was okay. I mean Horford

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Speaker 3: Who are you going to pick between the Celtic centers?

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Speaker 2: Really was what it comes down exactly, and that that's

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Speaker 2: I think if Trey had taken Horford instead of Porzingis,

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Speaker 2: of the way the same. But the look the Houser

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Speaker 2: wow with six and eleven fantasy points. Wow exactly, and

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Speaker 3: He helped me for sure. Yeah, it was a risky

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Speaker 3: so al Horford trumped him pretty easy. And then Derek Lively,

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Speaker 3: and your Pritchard pick.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what sunk me. Yeah, bit Yeah, And you

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Speaker 3: I came down to those picks where it went Pritcher,

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Speaker 3: probably would have taken over Jaden Hardy. I wonder if

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Speaker 3: taken Pritchard for sure.

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Speaker 2: Well, it says you're in the fine print. Actually, now

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Speaker 2: that I look at it, you get twenty five extra

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Speaker 2: Oh so that's fifty extra points. Because Houser hit two

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Speaker 2: I went, but yeah, a good battle there, and I

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Speaker 2: back yea next year's finals and doing a little draft there.

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Speaker 3: Fantasy points. Yeah, that was the biggest debate. I didn't know.

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Speaker 2: Well, it was to find the fantasy points than what

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Speaker 2: I initially pitched, which was like game scores on Basketball Reference,

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Speaker 2: because I would have had to go through each game

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Speaker 2: add those all up. You know NB dot Com, our guys,

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Speaker 2: Shoe with the with the just the database there. Simple

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Speaker 2: give me the NBA Finals, give me the fantasy points,

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Speaker 2: rank them. Boom, Bob's your uncle.

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Speaker 3: Nice column, Nice column, Shoe.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thanks, Shoe, appreciate you. Okay, let's get into some

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Speaker 2: NBA news here. The big news over the last couple

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Speaker 2: of days money Williams out as head coach of the

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Speaker 2: Detroit Pistons. The team announced this on Wednesday. They will

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Speaker 2: absorb the remaining sixty five million dollars on his contractor

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Speaker 2: so he will get that money. The Athletics James Edwards

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Speaker 2: the Third reported that Piston's owner Tom Gores made the

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Speaker 2: call to move on from MANI Detroit finished with a

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Speaker 2: franchise record sixty eight losses last season. How surprised were

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Speaker 2: you yesterday when this came through Twitter that Monny Williams

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Speaker 2: out after one season, but he's gonna be paid.

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Speaker 5: I gotta say I was surprised because I've never seen

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Speaker 5: that number in sports before be given to a coach

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Speaker 5: for not coaching.

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Speaker 3: Sixty to sixty five million. There's some debates how much

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Speaker 3: he's getting paid on the contract that said sixty five million.

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Speaker 3: It's a whatever. Yeah, I've never seen that type of

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Speaker 3: Yeah. The surprising part is it's June nineteenth when they

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Speaker 2: Yeah. In regards to the timing of it all, you're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and being basketball fans forever and seeing a guy

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Speaker 3: especially at this time. Obviously he's he's worked for this,

431
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Speaker 3: this contract. Though, when you think about it as a

432
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Speaker 3: MAX deal, it only works if Tyrese Haliburton is really good,

433
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Speaker 3: if they have a real top guy to go along

434
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Speaker 3: with Pascal Siaka. Yeah, that's why it does make sense.

435
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Speaker 2: Big part of why the Raptors decided, probably we don't

436
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Speaker 2: want to be the ones paying him this amount of

437
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:27,480
Speaker 2: money where we are right now?

438
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Speaker 3: Yeah right, they didn't have a Haliburn, they didn't have

439
00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 3: another guy, because we wondered after twenty nineteen, after Kawhi left,

440
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,639
Speaker 3: how is this pass? How's this basseball team gonna work?

441
00:20:38,680 --> 00:20:40,560
Speaker 3: Is Pascal siak I'm going to be able to lead

442
00:20:40,600 --> 00:20:43,040
Speaker 3: a team like that? And there was lots of struggles.

443
00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,359
Speaker 3: They only won one playoff series throughout those years, you know,

444
00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:48,919
Speaker 3: after Kawhi left in four years he's actually now won

445
00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:52,120
Speaker 3: more series with the end of Pacers in one playoff

446
00:20:52,200 --> 00:20:55,600
Speaker 3: round hero excuse me, in one playoff season here that

447
00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:59,199
Speaker 3: he did with the Raptors post Kawhi going to the

448
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:01,840
Speaker 3: Conference finals. But these two guys have only had a

449
00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,439
Speaker 3: half season together and they're guaranteed to be together for

450
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Speaker 3: another four years at least.

451
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Speaker 2: Right because they'll have Haliburton Siakam under contract through twenty

452
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Speaker 2: eight and twenty nine respectively.

453
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Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, And I think Haliburton has learned how to

454
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Speaker 3: deal with his injuries and that was something that's been

455
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Speaker 3: holding him back the last couple of years. And hopefully

456
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:22,879
Speaker 3: I should say I I think he has, but what

457
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:24,880
Speaker 3: do I know? It just feels that way. So those

458
00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:26,760
Speaker 3: are their top two guys, really, and you look at

459
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:29,800
Speaker 3: this Pacers team and I wonder people are think have

460
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:34,880
Speaker 3: they overachieved? Have they hit their ceiling? Was it other

461
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,600
Speaker 3: injuries to other teams that allowed them to get to

462
00:21:37,640 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 3: the conference finals? And I think those two guys at

463
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 3: the top plus a bunch of other guys, means that

464
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,879
Speaker 3: they have not achieved their ceiling and not because I

465
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Speaker 3: believe in Haliburn and Siakam to be those type of guys.

466
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Speaker 3: And then you guys have guys like Ben Mathurn who

467
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Speaker 3: was injured the entire playoffs. Wasn't there should get better?

468
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:57,000
Speaker 3: Jarris Walker is their number eight pick. Last year they

469
00:21:57,160 --> 00:22:00,760
Speaker 3: barely played. He's only played in the league one season.

470
00:22:01,040 --> 00:22:03,880
Speaker 3: And then you have Miles Turner's who'll be back, Obi

471
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,760
Speaker 3: Topp and who's a free agent, Aaron Smith who's signed.

472
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Speaker 3: TJ McConnell has one more year. Andrew Nemhart. He was good.

473
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Speaker 2: He looked like he was getting better and better.

474
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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, very young, signed to a good deal because

475
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 3: he was a second round pick, a very good deal

476
00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 3: and so all that to say, I think they can

477
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,639
Speaker 3: get even better than what they have been, especially if

478
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:26,879
Speaker 3: Haliburton can get better. This was Haliburton's first run as

479
00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,400
Speaker 3: a number one guy, going to a conference finals. There's

480
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Speaker 3: lots of guys there, and they still have money. They

481
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Speaker 3: still other money to throw around if need be.

482
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Speaker 2: There's some sticker shock. I think when people see this,

483
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Speaker 2: it depends on how you feel about Pascal Siaka. You

484
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,000
Speaker 2: see this, you see Max contract, you see you know,

485
00:22:41,160 --> 00:22:43,120
Speaker 2: you know, flirting with a two hundred million dollar deal

486
00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:45,399
Speaker 2: here again at AAG thirty. Like you said, you know,

487
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: he's he's in his prime, but sort of we'll be

488
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 2: on the back end of his prime. And you do

489
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Speaker 2: go really really him, But you're also you're also in Indiana.

490
00:22:55,600 --> 00:22:58,280
Speaker 2: Come on, let's be honest here. He seems very happy

491
00:22:58,320 --> 00:23:00,760
Speaker 2: being there, appreciated you may the move for him. So

492
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: picks went out and you got him and you had success.

493
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:07,480
Speaker 2: You're right, So like this, could this blow up in

494
00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: their face like that amount of money for Haliburton Siakam? Maybe,

495
00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:13,560
Speaker 2: but I think it's a risk they absolutely have to

496
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,000
Speaker 2: take and should take, especially with all the other talent

497
00:23:16,040 --> 00:23:18,400
Speaker 2: around them. A well coached team, they have an identity

498
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,679
Speaker 2: that's to just run and gun and score on you.

499
00:23:21,080 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: So yeah, I mean, this is smart and this is

500
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Speaker 2: not surprising at all. I think a lot of people

501
00:23:25,000 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: thought once they made the deal with the Raps and

502
00:23:27,800 --> 00:23:30,520
Speaker 2: what they sent out, which again in terms of players

503
00:23:30,520 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: they sent out wasn't a whole lot. I'm still upset

504
00:23:33,200 --> 00:23:36,000
Speaker 2: the Raptors didn't get one of those young guys in

505
00:23:36,040 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 2: the mix. But anyway, the picks, they were committing to this,

506
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 2: and they were committing to it for the second half

507
00:23:41,280 --> 00:23:43,520
Speaker 2: of the season and then postseason. I guess it could

508
00:23:43,520 --> 00:23:46,600
Speaker 2: have gone terribly wrong. Oh damn, this doesn't work. Oh

509
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,600
Speaker 2: fits bad. Oh he sort of like he had a

510
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,800
Speaker 2: rough postseason. He didn't at all didn't he have like

511
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:53,639
Speaker 2: thirty five and tens in his first two games in

512
00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,560
Speaker 2: the postseason against the Bucks. Ye I know there's injuries

513
00:23:56,560 --> 00:23:58,520
Speaker 2: and stuff. They got like a little lucky in terms

514
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,639
Speaker 2: of their path who they were playing, but it was

515
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,400
Speaker 2: you saw why it could work and why they had

516
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:03,760
Speaker 2: to do this.

517
00:24:03,960 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, so and being their first time together and seeing

518
00:24:07,040 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 3: him achieve those big stats against the Bucks. And then

519
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 3: he did slow down as the playoffs went on. He

520
00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: averaged twenty one point six throughout the postseason. But I

521
00:24:15,840 --> 00:24:17,840
Speaker 3: think the big question is always you're signing a thirty

522
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Speaker 3: year old guy to the max contract. Pascal siakams bodying

523
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Speaker 3: the way he plays, how he plays, He's going to

524
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Speaker 3: be fine in thirty at the age of thirty four.

525
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 3: I do think he started playing basketball late. He did

526
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 3: starts the basketball late. Nick Nurse isn't there to put

527
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,879
Speaker 3: thirty seven minutes on every game that he plays. I

528
00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,920
Speaker 3: did look at his stats to see how many minutes

529
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Speaker 3: he played with the reps. You know, in those seasons

530
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Speaker 3: he was like thirty seven thirty eight minutes. Rickcarlo only

531
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Speaker 3: played him thirty one point eight minutes a game, so

532
00:24:49,560 --> 00:24:52,600
Speaker 3: he slowed down. Anyways, I do think he's an effective

533
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:56,040
Speaker 3: score He will be good. I think his body will

534
00:24:56,040 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: be fine and listen, but this all comes down to

535
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Speaker 3: whether or not Halliburn can be good.

536
00:25:01,040 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: It can be very continue to be really good. Yeah,

537
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 2: a player that's a big part because you paid, has

538
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 2: to be the number two guy.

539
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:09,000
Speaker 3: Absolutely, that's been proven, it's shown.

540
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,600
Speaker 2: And he's an incredible number two guy. Yeah, but not

541
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Speaker 2: a lead guy. That has to be halt.

542
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, and then we'll see again what Matherin can become.

543
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:19,400
Speaker 3: Of course, he's a great scorer and he wasn't even there.

544
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Speaker 3: And we said Andrew Nemhart as well, who played very

545
00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 3: very well. You know, he got better and he he

546
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:28,480
Speaker 3: was the lead guard at times. Now there's a lot

547
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 3: of guards on that team. Now that's three headed there

548
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 3: with Haliburton, Nemhart and Ben Matherns.

549
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Speaker 2: So yeah, we'll see good problem to have so seam

550
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Speaker 2: getting paid in all likelihood. Okay, some big news for

551
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 2: the Canadian boys here yesterday the twenty twenty four Olympic

552
00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 2: Games in Paris, so right around the corner, and Team

553
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Speaker 2: Canada has announced its training camp roster for the senior

554
00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:55,800
Speaker 2: men's team. Yes, it's pretty loaded. Uh, we're showing you

555
00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:59,640
Speaker 2: here the entire list on YouTube, but for the podcast listeners, look,

556
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:02,440
Speaker 2: a lot of NBA guys. We're talking about some of

557
00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 2: the superstars. Uh, you know, an MVP runner up in

558
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 2: Shay Gilders, Alexander You've got Jamal Murray, Andrew Wiggins is

559
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:15,320
Speaker 2: on this training camp roster, which you love to see.

560
00:26:15,320 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: And a lot of guys that helped Canada win the

561
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:22,560
Speaker 2: bronze in the in the World Cup. So twenty names,

562
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:26,159
Speaker 2: this will be whittled down to twelve. Uh by the

563
00:26:26,160 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 2: time they obviously get to Paris. What do you think

564
00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 2: tasks and how proud of you? How proud are you

565
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Speaker 2: to see this list with r J, Barrett Keil, Alexander Walker,

566
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Speaker 2: and Dylan Brooks, Lou dort Zach Edie and and so on.

567
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 3: Two scrubs, Phil and Thomas. Yeah, great names. This is

568
00:26:45,080 --> 00:26:48,119
Speaker 3: an astounding roster. I would say this is a kout.

569
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Speaker 3: It it's gotten extremely good. Now they're not going to

570
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Speaker 3: be able to overcome the US team. Why not? Where

571
00:26:55,640 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 3: it did? Ye? Now the US is even better. Sorry,

572
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 3: it's a stacked roster. It is Shay, Jamal Argie, Barrett Nikhaie,

573
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Speaker 3: Alexander Walker, probably Andrew Wiggins, Dylan Brooks, Lou Dort, Andrew

574
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Speaker 3: n nempart. Those are your eight. That's pretty good. The

575
00:27:12,320 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 3: biggs is the question, YEP, I would say Kelly Olinik,

576
00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:20,359
Speaker 3: will Kathleen be there, Dwight Powell, Trey Lyles is going

577
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,240
Speaker 3: to stretch you out. He's going to stretch you out.

578
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:25,160
Speaker 3: He's probably gonna try and take let's say, if they're

579
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 3: playing America, try and take it whoever it is, Joel

580
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,159
Speaker 3: embiid Anthony Davis out as far as possible. But I

581
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,040
Speaker 3: will say I hope Andrew Wiggins makes a team because

582
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 3: it's not a guarantee. It's not a lock that he

583
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:39,480
Speaker 3: makes the team. No, he didn't help Canada qualify as

584
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:42,120
Speaker 3: you just said. They did beat the US. He wasn't there.

585
00:27:42,320 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: But he has played multiple times for the Canadian team

586
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 3: in the past, and he's hasn't looked like himself in

587
00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 3: a season. He really hasn't. So hopefully this camp, this

588
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 3: couple weeks of camp here and in Toronto, you're gonna

589
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 3: fly up to go hang out? Was that because I

590
00:27:57,280 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: want to see Wigans I would.

591
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Speaker 2: Know, I wish. I almost want to change my flight

592
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:05,920
Speaker 2: to Vegas to go catch the exhibition game Canada VERSUS America,

593
00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,199
Speaker 2: which I think happens right before Summer League, maybe on

594
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:10,480
Speaker 2: the Wednesday. My flight right now is for Thursday. Our

595
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 2: flights are Thursday.

596
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,359
Speaker 3: Yeah. After camp in Toronto, they go to Vegas to

597
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:15,399
Speaker 3: by the US and in an exhibition game to get

598
00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,080
Speaker 3: them ready for Paris. And I hope Andrew Wiggins is there,

599
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 3: and I hope these couple of weeks that he has

600
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 3: in Toronto, it's not even a couple of weeks. It's

601
00:28:24,119 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 3: a short camp. I guess it's nine. Nick Nurse leading

602
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 3: the way. He's the head coach of JORDI took it.

603
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,480
Speaker 3: Jordi took it in my bad, that's my mistake.

604
00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,480
Speaker 2: But he says, these guys, I mean they got to

605
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: earn their spot, like nothing's like a given. Okay, I

606
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,120
Speaker 2: think Shake Gildas Alexander is going to be on the

607
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 2: team regardless, but oh yeah, of course. Yeah, the the

608
00:28:45,080 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 2: main NBA guys, the rotation guys. This is amazing to

609
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 2: see though, in all honesty, like from where we were

610
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,480
Speaker 2: with Canada Basketball, like when we started this podcast, and

611
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 2: like how desperate we were to have guys play. I

612
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: love this, like the sense of pride of these guys

613
00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 2: wanting to be coming up to Toronto to even try

614
00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:02,120
Speaker 2: out for this team. Think about the names that aren't

615
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 2: even on the list, Like, this is how deep this

616
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 2: talent pool is. Now, Okay, there's no Tristan Thompson, He's

617
00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 2: obviously getting up there in age. But you know an

618
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 2: NBA champ, a lottery pick back in his day, Corey Joseph.

619
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:16,520
Speaker 2: He was actually upset almost that he didn't get a

620
00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 2: chance to at least go to training camp from all

621
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,480
Speaker 2: the work he's done for Team Canada over the years.

622
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 2: But that's a first round pick guy, that's an NBA champ.

623
00:29:23,800 --> 00:29:26,400
Speaker 2: You got Brandon Clark, you know, was coming off of injury.

624
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 2: I know he came back at the end of the year.

625
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,880
Speaker 2: He's a rotation guy. He's a good talented big bouche.

626
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 2: I saw tweeting what the hell where am I in

627
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 2: the mix? Here? You got Delano Banton Omax, prosper Aj Lawson,

628
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:42,360
Speaker 2: Leonard Miller. I'm just naming more Canadian players now, Benedict

629
00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 2: Mathrin and Shadon Sharp. They weren't on that list. They

630
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,200
Speaker 2: are going to training camp though, which you absolutely love

631
00:29:49,200 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 2: to see, Like they're gonna be around the team. Yeah,

632
00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 2: with hopes too obviously, you know, just gaining experience and

633
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 2: learn from the guys and stuff like that moving forward. Like,

634
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: I loved everything I heard there from Rowan Barrett, who

635
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: runs this Canada basketball team yesterday, of like, yeah, this

636
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,440
Speaker 2: is an exciting moment to go to Paris to maybe

637
00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:07,800
Speaker 2: compete for a medal. I mean it's gonna be tough,

638
00:30:08,240 --> 00:30:10,680
Speaker 2: no doubt, as good as that team is. But he's

639
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 2: like he's thinking still long term here, and how could

640
00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:14,760
Speaker 2: you not when you when I just go through some

641
00:30:14,800 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 2: of the young talent that I you know, it's not

642
00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:19,000
Speaker 2: even on the train camp roster, and they'll be just

643
00:30:19,000 --> 00:30:21,360
Speaker 2: more Canadians coming to the league. Yeah, Like it's gonna

644
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,320
Speaker 2: be a good problem to have where a guy like

645
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 2: Corey Joseph is like he's left out because you just

646
00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 2: went through all the guards. I'm sorry, he's not You're

647
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 2: not gonna be in the mix. Yeah, that's a good problem. Sure,

648
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: this is wild.

649
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:37,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is emulating a program like the American program

650
00:30:37,360 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 3: where you have to be around for years like these

651
00:30:40,360 --> 00:30:42,920
Speaker 3: guys that are coming. Yeah, Shane Sharp to just be

652
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 3: part of it, not necessarily make it by any means,

653
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:51,360
Speaker 3: but you could be there eventually, like Olivier Maxence prosper As.

654
00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,720
Speaker 3: I said, oh Max, but what a Canadian name. That's

655
00:30:54,720 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 3: a French Canadian name, Olivier Maxence prosper It sounds so

656
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,720
Speaker 3: great if he were able to be there. I mean,

657
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: we didn't even see him really much in the NBA

658
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 3: this season. A ton in the NBA s of this season,

659
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 3: so hopefully he gets But there's just a lot of guys.

660
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:12,200
Speaker 3: You're right about where it's, where it's gone, what it's become.

661
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 3: This is a serious, seriously good roster. I didn't even

662
00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 3: name Kem Birch when I was talking about the centers.

663
00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:21,560
Speaker 2: I don't think Kem berg is gonna make this team.

664
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 2: Probably not.

665
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,480
Speaker 3: That's why there's so many good, so many players.

666
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 2: Kelly Linnok you said, probably Dwight Powell, maybe Trey Ales

667
00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 2: stretched the floor, and then Zach Edy just being a

668
00:31:30,960 --> 00:31:33,680
Speaker 2: monster and being at his age if you want to

669
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: get him in the sort of the program here and

670
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 2: there might be a chance for him to like, hey man,

671
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,160
Speaker 2: go try and stop dwell and b like, good luck

672
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:43,320
Speaker 2: with that. But you're big, You're huge, so he might

673
00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:44,160
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm saying.

674
00:31:44,000 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 3: Like some power might not even make it. I guess yeah, yeah,

675
00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 3: Olinik I would say of is the only one.

676
00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:52,200
Speaker 2: He feels and he's a good international player.

677
00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: That's true.

678
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,480
Speaker 2: So yeah, incredible stuff there, and again that twenty will

679
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 2: get cut down to twelve. But love to see the SGA's,

680
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: Murray's and Wigans even to be in there, and these

681
00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,120
Speaker 2: talented guys like Dorton Brooks like want to do this, man,

682
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 2: that's what it's like. Gives me so much pride. It's like,

683
00:32:10,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 2: oh yeah, they like that. They take this seriously and

684
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:15,000
Speaker 2: hopefully they build off the bronze medal. Again, I have

685
00:32:15,120 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 2: very low expectations in the actual Olympics. It's different. There's

686
00:32:18,280 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 2: less teams. These are talented squads, but you know, it

687
00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: depends how it breaks. Like, I know they're in a

688
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 2: tough group.

689
00:32:23,760 --> 00:32:27,520
Speaker 3: But yeah, thanks have changed with Canadian basketball teams round

690
00:32:27,600 --> 00:32:30,480
Speaker 3: Raptors being so great. Vince Carter made these guys, He

691
00:32:30,520 --> 00:32:33,080
Speaker 3: made all these guys. There was a different passion for

692
00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 3: the game for a long time. These guys are all

693
00:32:34,600 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 3: fairly fairly young and they should be great. So yes,

694
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: nothing but pride for all of these guys. There's so

695
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: many basket Wait.

696
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 2: For the Olympics. I love the Olympics.

697
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 3: Who doesn't some people, I guess.

698
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:51,240
Speaker 2: I guess. I mean they're corrupt as hell. Yeah, but

699
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 2: some Olympics are fun. All right, let's get into this

700
00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: brandon Ingram topic here, because I saw this from Chris

701
00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:00,240
Speaker 2: Clark at NOLA dot com and we grabbed a part

702
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 2: of his article. I highly encourage everyone to go seek

703
00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: it out. But Chris Clark wrote this summer, David Griffin

704
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,800
Speaker 2: is faced with the prospect of having to trade brandon Ingram.

705
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 2: It is the most important decision he will make in

706
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: what is a massive off season for the Pelicans. He continued,

707
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 2: Chris Clark did three options, sign Ingram to an extension

708
00:33:19,760 --> 00:33:23,720
Speaker 2: at his below maximum value number, go into the twenty

709
00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 2: twenty four to twenty five season with Ingram on an

710
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 2: expiring contract, or move Ingram elsewhere. What do you think

711
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:33,960
Speaker 2: about this task? Is this like sort of the perfect

712
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:37,000
Speaker 2: time for the Pelicans to trade brandon Ingram? Should they not?

713
00:33:38,840 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 2: After sort of? You know, it's different, I know, but

714
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,640
Speaker 2: after what we saw with like, hey, everybody wanted to

715
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,479
Speaker 2: break up Jalen Brown and Jason Tatum. They didn't. They

716
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 2: stayed the course, added around them and made it work

717
00:33:48,760 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 2: and won a championship. Again. A little different here with

718
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,120
Speaker 2: Zion and Brandon Ingram. Maybe the fit isn't as good

719
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 2: as those two guys the Jays. But what would you do?

720
00:33:55,640 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 2: I guess if you're David Griffin here, who said after

721
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,480
Speaker 2: the season, like, we're not running this back now. That

722
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:04,840
Speaker 2: doesn't mean we're trained Brandon Ingram, but we're changing things here.

723
00:34:05,480 --> 00:34:06,640
Speaker 2: Something's going to change.

724
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:07,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, what do you do?

725
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:08,439
Speaker 2: What do you what do you think?

726
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 3: It felt like win? Griffin said that after all the

727
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 3: discussions and we talked about it here, it felt like

728
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 3: the guy who he would be referring to was Brandon Ingram.

729
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 3: Right to be moving on, But I'm not sold on

730
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,160
Speaker 3: it immediately right now because what does the team become

731
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,440
Speaker 3: Because it is Ion obviously number one with a bullet,

732
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 3: but beyond that, I guess it's c J. McCollum, and

733
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: they want to play more wings in Trey Murphy and

734
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:39,759
Speaker 3: obviously Herb Jones was very good, but TJ. McCollum just

735
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 3: wasn't great. He absolutely was not great. In the postseason win.

736
00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:45,839
Speaker 3: Brandon Inger was coming back from an injury and would

737
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 3: have been way better and they could have won a

738
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:52,880
Speaker 3: playoff series. You know, if he was playing to his capabilities.

739
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 3: I know, okay, so he played very solid, but it

740
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:59,479
Speaker 3: would have been a way different series. If Brandon Ingram

741
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,319
Speaker 3: was healthy, it would have been it would have been

742
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:03,839
Speaker 3: fun to watch at the very least like it has

743
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 3: been the last couple years. Understand David Griffin wanted to

744
00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 3: move on from that team that handled Phoenix and dealt

745
00:35:10,560 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 3: them a good series. It went to six games, and

746
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 3: I guess they want to move on. But CJ is

747
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,839
Speaker 3: getting older, So I'm not locked into Brandon Ingram being

748
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:25,000
Speaker 3: the guy that's going to change this team if he

749
00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:29,399
Speaker 3: gets something back for him when you deal him. So

750
00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:30,640
Speaker 3: that's what it all comes out to. What are you

751
00:35:30,640 --> 00:35:32,279
Speaker 3: getting back for him? I think it has to be

752
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 3: something decent before you move on and say this team

753
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,399
Speaker 3: is Zion and CJ McCollum and Herb Jones and Trede

754
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: Murphy because they want to move on in the center spot.

755
00:35:41,000 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 3: Jones Valentunis is their starting center. He's a free agent.

756
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 3: They're moving on from him. Yeah, and I know they

757
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: have Larry Nance to come through and help out there.

758
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:52,279
Speaker 3: But I think this is what this trade comes down

759
00:35:52,280 --> 00:35:54,040
Speaker 3: to if you can move Brandon Ingram for a great

760
00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 3: three point shooting center, that's different. That's something. But we

761
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 3: just we haven't seen an incredible guard to think about. Okay,

762
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 3: I say, yes, I guess center would be good on the.

763
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:05,080
Speaker 2: Center or a point guard.

764
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:06,960
Speaker 3: They need a guard or a guard at least, yeah, yeah,

765
00:36:07,120 --> 00:36:09,839
Speaker 3: or a really good one. That's so it's a hole.

766
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:11,960
Speaker 3: It's a very significant hole.

767
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:15,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. And the problem here is they're not taking a

768
00:36:15,200 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 2: step back. They don't want to take a step back

769
00:36:17,280 --> 00:36:19,040
Speaker 2: if they trade brandon Ingram. So you're right, you got

770
00:36:19,080 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 2: to get just as talented as players in there, be

771
00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,879
Speaker 2: it maybe multiple players or at least another star player

772
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 2: that probably fits one of those positions, like you said, yeah,

773
00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,399
Speaker 2: either a point guard or a guard of some sort,

774
00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 2: and then either or a center. Because this is a

775
00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 2: forty nine win team. They were a good team. It's

776
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 2: sort of you know, I almost forgot that. I saw that.

777
00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:38,080
Speaker 2: I was like, what, you know, this is nearly a

778
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 2: fifty win team.

779
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,840
Speaker 3: That was dealing with a lot of injuries during the season.

780
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: Right right, So they obviously want to sort of maintain

781
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 2: that and build on that and start winning playoff series.

782
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 2: So the other part two is I don't know as

783
00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:51,920
Speaker 2: Ingram's trade value ever been lower after the series we

784
00:36:52,000 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 2: just saw. Yes, you can blame injuries, but he scored

785
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 2: fourteen points per game against Okay. See, I mean he

786
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,960
Speaker 2: was in the Dortcher chamber and he shot like thirty

787
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,839
Speaker 2: five percent or less, I guess from the floor. So

788
00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,759
Speaker 2: it's like he's he's at his lowess. He has got

789
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,319
Speaker 2: one year remaining on that contract on July sixth, though

790
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 2: he's eligible to sign the four year extension worth like

791
00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 2: two hundred and eight million. I don't think they want

792
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: to pay him that much with sort of what you

793
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: get from him. I think he's a really good player.

794
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 2: He's a really good offensive player, but you wonder limitations

795
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 2: on the other side of the ball, and maybe they

796
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 2: feel confident in other guys stepping up to fill that vacuum.

797
00:37:29,800 --> 00:37:31,520
Speaker 2: Right Sure, you know, first off, his ion sort of

798
00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 2: your point guard, and then you've got, obviously Trey Murphy,

799
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 2: and then Herb Jones is your defensive minded guy on

800
00:37:35,760 --> 00:37:38,399
Speaker 2: the wing. So I can see why they would look

801
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,400
Speaker 2: or explore trading him if they don't want to pay him.

802
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 2: But let's talk about who, because let me throw some

803
00:37:45,120 --> 00:37:48,279
Speaker 2: at you just some hypothetical type of players that they

804
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:52,319
Speaker 2: would probably want back because you said the positions are

805
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 2: they probably want to center her a point guard. So

806
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,320
Speaker 2: is there any sort of brandon Ingram for Darius Garland

807
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: that makes sense to you from the Pelican side? I

808
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: would assume yes. But would the Calves explore that?

809
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,520
Speaker 3: Hmm, it's very interesting. I think the Calves would think

810
00:38:06,560 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 3: about it. Yes. I think they're going to have a

811
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:12,480
Speaker 3: run here to see whether or not Donovan Mitchell and

812
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:14,080
Speaker 3: Darius Garland can work together.

813
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: They think they're going to do it again.

814
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 3: They're going to try it. They are going to try.

815
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:20,399
Speaker 2: I don't believe Darius s Garland's camp when they say, well,

816
00:38:20,400 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 2: if he's coming back here, Donovan Mitchell, I don't really

817
00:38:23,000 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 2: want to be here.

818
00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,080
Speaker 3: Sure that might that might be true. Other reports are

819
00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 3: the Cleveland Cavaliers feel like they got a lock of

820
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 3: four to go along with Jared Allen and Evan Mobley,

821
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 3: those two guys plus Garland and Mitchell. So I think

822
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:39,680
Speaker 3: they're going to give that a try. But it does

823
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:42,640
Speaker 3: make sense in both instances brandon Ingram to be a

824
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:47,319
Speaker 3: support player to Donovan Mitchell. That's basically what it would be,

825
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:50,120
Speaker 3: So it makes sense on that side. And yeah, Darius

826
00:38:50,160 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 3: Garland as your garden New Orleans, Sure it makes a

827
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,319
Speaker 3: lot of sense. But I do think they Cleveland's got

828
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 3: questions like Howard, Jared Allen, and Evan Mobley going to

829
00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 3: work together on the front end, and then Howard Garland

830
00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:05,480
Speaker 3: and Mitchell gonna work in together handling the ball, because yeah,

831
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 3: I get that what their camp saying. Your camp is

832
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,719
Speaker 3: saying Darius Garland wants to be a ball handler, and

833
00:39:09,760 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 3: Donovan Mitchell in every situation he's been where he's excelled,

834
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 3: he has been the guy setting up everybody else, the

835
00:39:15,880 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 3: primary ball handler. So that's that's it does make sense.

836
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: I think after they give a few months of a

837
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,080
Speaker 3: try for Cleveland, I think that's what they're going to

838
00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 3: do with their new head coach.

839
00:39:24,120 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 2: What about brandon ingram for Jared Allen too much? He's

840
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,720
Speaker 2: not He's not this stretch big that you're looking for there.

841
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,600
Speaker 3: I wouldn't. I wouldn't. I say, I think you want

842
00:39:34,600 --> 00:39:37,800
Speaker 3: to spread five with with Zion being the point guard.

843
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 2: It almost feels like if they did some sort of

844
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: move like that, maybe more would have to come back.

845
00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 2: But like it's like Jared Allen is sort of just

846
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 2: a younger, you know, more athletic, sure, but he's sort

847
00:39:47,480 --> 00:39:52,000
Speaker 2: of a valentunist type in a way.

848
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,480
Speaker 3: I love Theonnis, but Jared Allen has a better ceiling,

849
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,280
Speaker 3: bigger ceiling, high, higher ceiling.

850
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,440
Speaker 2: But he's not going to be I don't think dropping

851
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 2: in three pointer from the corner that is.

852
00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 3: Not going to happen. Okay, no, but yeah, Zion, you

853
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 3: don't want your defense to be able to collapse and

854
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 3: just handle the paint and just say, Zion, get the

855
00:40:09,320 --> 00:40:11,040
Speaker 3: heck out of here? Do you want to stretch five?

856
00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:14,320
Speaker 2: What about brandon Ingram and maybe even a pick or

857
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:16,839
Speaker 2: whatever it would take for de Jonte Murray and Clint

858
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:20,000
Speaker 2: Capella take care of both those needs. Get your point guard,

859
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: get your center. It's not bad.

860
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,640
Speaker 3: It's not bad. The Clinty thing. Clint is getting older.

861
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:31,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and the Hawks would you know, then they have

862
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 2: a Congolu as they their center, They would have Ingram

863
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:34,200
Speaker 2: as their wing guy.

864
00:40:34,280 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: They may draft the center here next week. Right. I

865
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: don't know about Clint. He's obviously not a guy who

866
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 3: shoots from through three point lands. So the Dejonte thing

867
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 3: makes more sense. I think than than Clint. They that's

868
00:40:47,280 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 3: the thing for this summer. Where is David Griffing gonna

869
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 3: find a center? Where's he gonna Is it gonna be

870
00:40:52,160 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 3: in a trade or is it gonna be free via

871
00:40:53,480 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: free agency? Because I get some dollars I do believe,

872
00:40:57,680 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 3: But yes, CJ. Mccom's paid a decent amount of money.

873
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,680
Speaker 3: So the whole brandon Ingram extension thing you brought up

874
00:41:03,760 --> 00:41:09,359
Speaker 3: is very interesting. That probably isn't gonna happen there at

875
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 3: this point. It would be you basically you don't next

876
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: year right now. Those three guys are paid over one

877
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 3: hundred million there there top.

878
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:19,040
Speaker 2: This is the issue here, This is why we're even

879
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: talking about exploring trading them, because I think you feel

880
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:24,600
Speaker 2: all that confident with those three guys, like you said,

881
00:41:24,680 --> 00:41:27,399
Speaker 2: Zion Brandan Ingram and McCollum as your money maker.

882
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:31,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, and your modern modern day NBA. I ain't traded

883
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 3: for Clinton as good as he's been at the time.

884
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 2: Murray's the key piece here, he's quite key. Well, what

885
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: about brandon Ingram for Tradeon?

886
00:41:38,960 --> 00:41:44,360
Speaker 3: Brandon Ingram for trade? M hmm, Yeah, that's interesting. You

887
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:47,600
Speaker 3: think that the Hawks would say Landry Field in that

888
00:41:47,640 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: front office would say de Jonte and Brandon Ingram are

889
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,319
Speaker 3: gonna be all right. I mean, Brandon Ingram is a

890
00:41:53,360 --> 00:41:58,280
Speaker 3: very good player. I don't think. I don't think Tray's

891
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,839
Speaker 3: going I don't think Trey's And.

892
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: I got one more for you here, Charlotte, brandon Ingram

893
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 2: for LaMelo.

894
00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 3: Ball, brandon Ingram for Lamellos.

895
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: He struggles to stay healthy, so it's a risky.

896
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:15,960
Speaker 3: The Pelicans ain't doing that. I think, as good as

897
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:19,319
Speaker 3: LaMelo Ball can be, he's a very good player. But

898
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,479
Speaker 3: I think, like you just said, the injuries are the question.

899
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,520
Speaker 3: Zion had a great season being healthy and then he

900
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 3: got injured. As good as he's been in being able

901
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 3: to stay extremely healthy and what did he play like

902
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 3: seventy plus games this year. Awesome. That's awesome for him,

903
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,399
Speaker 3: But you don't want to make a deal for another

904
00:42:35,440 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 3: guy who could be injured. Yeah, that's not a great

905
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:42,319
Speaker 3: resume to have for LaMelo Ball here early on in

906
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: his career to be injured a lot.

907
00:42:44,920 --> 00:42:48,359
Speaker 2: Also, the Hornets, I mean, you've got Brandon Miller. I

908
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:52,560
Speaker 2: mean you're gonna put Ingram Ingram and Miller is Brandon's

909
00:42:53,120 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 2: I mean, wow, that's too much.

910
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,760
Speaker 3: Brandon Brandon's Squared.

911
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I mean good marketing there, yeah,

912
00:42:58,680 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: for sure.

913
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:01,360
Speaker 3: But not bad. Yeah, they're so similar.

914
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,840
Speaker 2: I thought Charlotte would say, Okay, we'll take Brandon Ingram

915
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,720
Speaker 2: and Herb Jones for LaMelo ball, and then the Pelicans

916
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,160
Speaker 2: would counter, No, we'll give you Ingram and maybe Dyson

917
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: Daniels for LaMelo ball. But yeah, I'm just throwing it

918
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 2: out there. I'm looking for that guard. So let's hear

919
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 2: from everyone out there, hypothetically speaking, you're trading Brandon Ingram,

920
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,840
Speaker 2: who would you want most, Darius Garland or Jared Allen

921
00:43:24,960 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 2: or let's just say to Jontey Murray, don't even worry

922
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: about the Clin Capella part or Trey Young or LaMelo ball.

923
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,360
Speaker 2: I gave you five guys there, and three lot of guys,

924
00:43:35,160 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 2: four of them are pointers.

925
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: What do you think is there one that.

926
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: I think the most realistic one? Well, the Hawks are

927
00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 2: training one of their guys, So I don't see why

928
00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:47,480
Speaker 2: that's that far fetched that that could work and that

929
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 2: you could get. Hey, we need a guard. You just

930
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 2: said we need a guard. We're the Pelicans, Trey Young

931
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:55,920
Speaker 2: or de Jontae Murray. You know especially because it makes

932
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 2: less that that there's something there. And then I don't

933
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: mind Darius Garland want to if if his camp is like,

934
00:44:02,440 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: we don't want to be here.

935
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:05,799
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if the shot the Hawks do

936
00:44:05,880 --> 00:44:09,319
Speaker 3: it again. If they're they're like Sean Searan and they

937
00:44:09,360 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 3: run it back, I wouldn't be surprised. I would not

938
00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 3: be surprised. Shout out to Michelle Bidough, seam Searanya lou

939
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 3: An Old, Chandler, Pete, Chandler Parsons.

940
00:44:20,719 --> 00:44:21,600
Speaker 2: Ever forget Chandler.

941
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:24,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, the hair looks good for Chandler Parsons right now.

942
00:44:24,800 --> 00:44:26,720
Speaker 3: I wouldn't be surprised if they run it back again.

943
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 3: Oh god, I wouldn't be surprised. Obviously that is accompanied

944
00:44:32,560 --> 00:44:34,400
Speaker 3: with what they're going to do in the draft.

945
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:38,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, to some extent, I don't know. I'm told this

946
00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: draft sucks.

947
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:41,759
Speaker 3: I've heard. I've read the same you've heard.

948
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: We'll talk to John Hollander next week. He's gonna come

949
00:44:44,200 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 2: on one of our shows early in the week to

950
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 2: break down the draft. He'll tell it like it is.

951
00:44:48,719 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 2: Johnny Holly, all right, Well, let's hear from everybody out there.

952
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 2: You know, let's hear your your best trade packs for

953
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 2: trade picks, for trade picks. What am I trying to say?

954
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,840
Speaker 2: Trade packages is the word I'm looking for for Brandon

955
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 2: and and whether you even would move off them because

956
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,760
Speaker 2: you know, like we said, they don't want to get worse.

957
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,319
Speaker 2: It's a risky move. They don't want to stay the same.

958
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:10,200
Speaker 2: I get that. But he is a good player.

959
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:12,319
Speaker 3: He is a good player. But if they're able to

960
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 3: trade trading someone, I get it, trading one of their

961
00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:18,759
Speaker 3: key guys that makes over thirty million dollars, I get it.

962
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 3: It could be CJ McCollum.

963
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:23,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but just like the return for CJ. McCollum not

964
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 2: going to be as sexy as a Brandon Ingram, I

965
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 2: would think, still a bucket. All right, let's pivot to

966
00:45:30,560 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 2: something else here, And I want to give credit to

967
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,440
Speaker 2: the Hello and Welcome podcast for inspiring this, to the

968
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,799
Speaker 2: Numbers on the Board podcast for inspiring this. A lot

969
00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:41,600
Speaker 2: of people ranking the last decade of NBA finals just

970
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,040
Speaker 2: coming off this one we had which lack juice?

971
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:46,200
Speaker 3: Did lack juice?

972
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 5: Right?

973
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,840
Speaker 2: It did? Congrats to the Celtics. Congrats to all the

974
00:45:48,880 --> 00:45:52,880
Speaker 2: Beantown Boys dominant team honestly, dominant victory. We didn't have

975
00:45:52,880 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 2: a lot of close games in the finals, though, there

976
00:45:54,640 --> 00:45:57,480
Speaker 2: weren't a ton of memorable moments, and so I had

977
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,040
Speaker 2: a lot of people going like that was sort of

978
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,880
Speaker 2: that fell flat. But where does it rank amongst the

979
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 2: last let's say decade again of NBA finals. So let's

980
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:07,520
Speaker 2: rank them. So that's what we're doing here. I've got

981
00:46:07,560 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 2: the list, I'll chuck it to your task. I'll move

982
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: quickly through them each and then at the end you

983
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:13,480
Speaker 2: can sort of be like, I think you got that

984
00:46:13,520 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 2: one too high, that one too low, and get your.

985
00:46:15,440 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 3: Perspective at the end. I ain't waiting you chime in here.

986
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,160
Speaker 2: All right, So ranking the last ten NBA finals, and

987
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: we'll start at number ten, work our way up to

988
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: the number one. And again I'm not trying to take

989
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 2: an account like the actual championship team. I'm just like

990
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 2: looking at it from an entertainment perspective. How entertaining, How

991
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 2: memorable were those finals? Okay compared to the other ones.

992
00:46:39,320 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 2: So at number ten on my list, I have the

993
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 2: Warriors over the Calves in twenty seventeen. That's the five

994
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:47,360
Speaker 2: game series. This is a series you've brought up a

995
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 2: couple times when we were talking about the gentleman's sweep

996
00:46:50,680 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: that happened here in this finals, because that's what happened

997
00:46:53,920 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 2: in this one. Yep, the Warriors crush the Calves in

998
00:46:57,800 --> 00:47:00,799
Speaker 2: their barn in games one and two. The only real

999
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: drama from this series, despite going five and in a

1000
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 2: gentleman's sweep, was Kevin Durant hitting that deep three at

1001
00:47:08,239 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 2: the end of Game three. That was the close game

1002
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,720
Speaker 2: of this Otherwise absolutely ass kicking from the Warriors, despite

1003
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:17,200
Speaker 2: the one game where the Calves and this is the

1004
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:18,880
Speaker 2: one you kept bringing up hit twenty four to threes

1005
00:47:18,880 --> 00:47:21,560
Speaker 2: in Game four to just extend the series. They couldn't

1006
00:47:21,560 --> 00:47:22,080
Speaker 2: miss that game.

1007
00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:24,279
Speaker 3: I think that's a more memorable Game four than the

1008
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 3: MAVs Game four. Not that, but I do think that

1009
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,960
Speaker 3: this game had moments at the end of a game,

1010
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:38,600
Speaker 3: big moments, moment moment is and yeah, well there was

1011
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:41,920
Speaker 3: a little bit of drama because here in this particular series,

1012
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 3: the way we just lived it was two to zero

1013
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 3: and that was three to zero pretty freaking easy. There

1014
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 3: wasn't there wasn't a close moment right at the end

1015
00:47:50,520 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 3: of the series like we got in Cleveland after Golden

1016
00:47:53,320 --> 00:47:55,320
Speaker 3: State one of those first two. Cleveland gets their first

1017
00:47:55,360 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 3: home game, you think, okay, maybe they can win one.

1018
00:47:58,400 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: They are up with forty five seconds left when Kevin

1019
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,840
Speaker 3: Durant grabs that rebound, goes up the floor and hits

1020
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 3: that three to put Golden State up in the eyes

1021
00:48:09,160 --> 00:48:13,319
Speaker 3: of Lebron James for his first championship. And then in

1022
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 3: Game five, actually he ended the game as well with

1023
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:18,759
Speaker 3: a big shot. Now the Cavs. The Cavs weren't up

1024
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 3: like they were in Game three, but you got a

1025
00:48:20,800 --> 00:48:24,840
Speaker 3: dramatic moment there where the one team could win a

1026
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,040
Speaker 3: game the MAVs series. I think we're just living in

1027
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 3: the moment. What do you.

1028
00:48:30,800 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: You want to put that dead last Celtics over the world.

1029
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 3: I would, because there wasn't There wasn't a memorable Luca moment. Really.

1030
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:41,160
Speaker 3: I know. There's Jalen Brown dunks in Game one and

1031
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,960
Speaker 3: Game three there there he was the MVP. Those are

1032
00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:46,880
Speaker 3: the things they're gonna remember, but you will remember that

1033
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:50,160
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant moment to bring up the ball and just

1034
00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:50,880
Speaker 3: fire away.

1035
00:48:50,960 --> 00:48:53,759
Speaker 2: The problem with this Finals, it was like inevitable that

1036
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:56,200
Speaker 2: they were gonna They added Kevin Durant to a seventy

1037
00:48:56,239 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: three win team. Yeah, and yeah it was a rematch.

1038
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: You had that juice going into it, but then they

1039
00:49:01,360 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 2: just dominated them. And in the in the series coaching game, yeah,

1040
00:49:05,719 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 2: Curry thirty four, Finals, MVP Durant thirty nine. Yougodala had

1041
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,480
Speaker 2: twenty off the bench and they scored hundred and twenty

1042
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 2: nine points. And it was I mean, there's similarities to

1043
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: this series absolutely that we just had there really are

1044
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 2: how it went.

1045
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 3: It just seemed like Cleveland was gonna win a game

1046
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 3: and at home, they're up too points with forty five

1047
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:28,399
Speaker 3: seconds left and Kevin Durant comes and hits that shot.

1048
00:49:28,440 --> 00:49:29,640
Speaker 3: The MAVs didn't have that Well, the.

1049
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 2: MAVs were closing Game three. That was the one where

1050
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:35,240
Speaker 2: we were like they they should have had that one. Yeah,

1051
00:49:35,280 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 2: that was the game where the Celtics couldn't shoot.

1052
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it was Theirs.

1053
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 2: That was the one.

1054
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:42,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it just it was Theirs to win. It just didn't.

1055
00:49:42,320 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: It wasn't close in the fourth really, that's the thing.

1056
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:47,799
Speaker 3: Then there wasn't anything late, So I was gonna being

1057
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,480
Speaker 3: a little biast. I'm just like, what moments are we

1058
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,160
Speaker 3: going to remember from the Luca Kyrie handling the ball

1059
00:49:54,960 --> 00:49:56,720
Speaker 3: like you would remember for Kevin Durant.

1060
00:49:57,560 --> 00:50:00,719
Speaker 2: Okay, Okay, so that's fair. Okay, well that number. I mean,

1061
00:50:00,800 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 2: there's no surprise here. I do have Celtics over Mavericks.

1062
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 3: Okay.

1063
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 2: The twenty twenty four series that we just had, again similarities,

1064
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:12,480
Speaker 2: there was just it lacked. I know our chats. A

1065
00:50:12,520 --> 00:50:16,120
Speaker 2: lot of people are like, ugh, that's it. It wasn't

1066
00:50:16,120 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 2: like a lot of obviously close games or really all

1067
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,560
Speaker 2: that memorable moments. That's the truth. Again, this is not

1068
00:50:20,600 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 2: to diss the Celtics. They were that dominant of team

1069
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:27,160
Speaker 2: all year long and then rolled through the postseason and

1070
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:29,560
Speaker 2: took care of business in five and at least the

1071
00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,240
Speaker 2: MAVs got one to give us a Game five. But okay,

1072
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,560
Speaker 2: so you you would flip.

1073
00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 3: Flop, would flip like you said, there was the Game

1074
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:40,319
Speaker 3: three was fine. It should have been the MAVs game.

1075
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:41,960
Speaker 3: That should have been their game. And it was a

1076
00:50:42,000 --> 00:50:43,719
Speaker 3: seven point loss, so it's not like it was a

1077
00:50:43,760 --> 00:50:46,000
Speaker 3: blowout by any means. Yeah. So there was a couple

1078
00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 3: seven point wins for the Boston Celtics in Games two

1079
00:50:50,200 --> 00:50:53,240
Speaker 3: and three, but Games two was just that monstrous lead. Yeah,

1080
00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 3: that they were able to shrink down towards the end,

1081
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,920
Speaker 3: doesn't didn't feel all that right. Yeah, I think I

1082
00:50:58,960 --> 00:51:00,839
Speaker 3: would take the Warriors when even no, you're right, and

1083
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,760
Speaker 3: it was a spanking.

1084
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,560
Speaker 2: It was spanking yea, yeah, all right. Number eight on

1085
00:51:05,600 --> 00:51:10,960
Speaker 2: the list Nuggets Overheat twenty twenty three NBA Finals. Yeah,

1086
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:12,880
Speaker 2: not this season obviously, but the year before that was

1087
00:51:12,920 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 2: a five game series as well. Nuggets beat them. They

1088
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 2: won their first championship in franchise history. I think that

1089
00:51:18,520 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 2: gives it a little something, right, forty seven seasons in

1090
00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 2: the NBA, so Denver sort of breaks through and wins it. Yeah,

1091
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:26,800
Speaker 2: But when you like, I don't know what's the most

1092
00:51:26,840 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: memorable game or moment or whatever from the Nuggets sort

1093
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: of kicking the Heats ass and the Heat has like

1094
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,080
Speaker 2: the obviously the eight seed getting all the way there.

1095
00:51:37,800 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: I think it's after Game two the Miami Heat won

1096
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,280
Speaker 3: that game. Kyle Lowry just showered, or maybe didn't shower,

1097
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:45,840
Speaker 3: I'm not sure. He was in a towel and he

1098
00:51:45,920 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: was in the arena, and he was walking up the

1099
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 3: stairs to get interviewed. A man in a towel in

1100
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 3: a stadium, in an arena, that's the most memorable moment

1101
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 3: for me. Okay, two was.

1102
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 2: The Duncan Robinson game. Yeah, that's the one where he

1103
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: caught fire late.

1104
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 3: That's when Eric Spulsive changed the line up and said, Kayla,

1105
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:04,280
Speaker 3: Martin Noser, Kevin Love, we need some height here because

1106
00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:06,759
Speaker 3: the Nuggets were just dunking all over them in Game one,

1107
00:52:06,880 --> 00:52:09,920
Speaker 3: and then the heat took Game two and everybody wondered

1108
00:52:10,600 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 3: he gonna win this series. That's so it is different.

1109
00:52:12,840 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 3: It is good there because it was one to one.

1110
00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,839
Speaker 2: It was Game three had Yokichen Murray becoming the first

1111
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 2: pair of teammates in NBA history to each record a

1112
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,920
Speaker 2: thirty point triple double. Yeah, that's pretty iconic.

1113
00:52:23,000 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 3: Jamal Murray is memorable from this series.

1114
00:52:24,880 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: Ye yeah. And Game four was the Aaron Gordon takeover

1115
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:31,080
Speaker 2: game basically, and then Game five was a low scoring

1116
00:52:31,200 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 2: it was ugly slugfest. Miami shot thirty four percent from

1117
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,440
Speaker 2: the field and had run out of gas in Denver.

1118
00:52:37,840 --> 00:52:39,440
Speaker 2: You know, Yokic had a good line in the end,

1119
00:52:39,520 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 2: especially the box scorer. But yeah, just like just sort

1120
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 2: of squeezed the life out of them as being the

1121
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 2: better team.

1122
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 3: You're right, them winning their first championship is big. Just

1123
00:52:48,480 --> 00:52:52,800
Speaker 3: Nicola Jokic winning his first championship and Jamal being side

1124
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,520
Speaker 3: by side with him and those other players. And that's

1125
00:52:55,520 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 3: why I do regret, not that I regret ranking the

1126
00:53:00,239 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 3: Celtics ten, but that's why I think the Jason Tatum

1127
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:05,560
Speaker 3: Jalen Brown winning their first title is significant.

1128
00:53:05,800 --> 00:53:08,319
Speaker 2: Well it might, it might gain more significance if it's

1129
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: a Celtics repeat or the dynasty builds. Yeah, yeah, and

1130
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 2: it's a little different. Absolutely right now in the moment,

1131
00:53:13,600 --> 00:53:16,040
Speaker 2: it's just like again that that's almost adding too much

1132
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:18,200
Speaker 2: to it. It's like, wasn't entertaining, Like was it a

1133
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 2: really good finals?

1134
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:23,240
Speaker 3: Were and we're days after and we don't really many.

1135
00:53:23,160 --> 00:53:26,120
Speaker 2: People are already moved on. Oh yeah, it was barely happened.

1136
00:53:26,880 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 3: And then the game five was a spanking. Every single

1137
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,800
Speaker 3: game felt like a spanking, although the MAVs did shrink

1138
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 3: it a little bit. Luca was tired.

1139
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,040
Speaker 2: Okay, number seven on the list. It's a sweep, and

1140
00:53:37,040 --> 00:53:40,000
Speaker 2: I've got seventh. But here's why this is the Warriors

1141
00:53:40,000 --> 00:53:43,800
Speaker 2: over the Cavs in twenty eighteen. At least we had

1142
00:53:44,120 --> 00:53:46,880
Speaker 2: game one. At least we had that, right, that's the

1143
00:53:46,880 --> 00:53:51,760
Speaker 2: overtime game. That's maybe Lebron's greatest playoff performance ever, fifty

1144
00:53:51,760 --> 00:53:55,840
Speaker 2: one points, nineteen to thirty two, shooting eight boards, eight assists,

1145
00:53:56,040 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 2: trying to drag this team to that game one upset

1146
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 2: over those Warriors. But what happens j R. Smith? Baby,

1147
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:06,759
Speaker 2: j R. Smith? Well, actually George Hill a little bit too,

1148
00:54:06,840 --> 00:54:09,759
Speaker 2: let's not forget him. Cleveland was within one point in

1149
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:13,879
Speaker 2: the final possession Lebron. Lebron found wide open George Hill

1150
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 2: underneath the basket. Klay Thompson wisely fouls him. Uh, He'll

1151
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 2: goes to the line again. They're down one oh seven

1152
00:54:20,040 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 2: to one oh six. He makes the first free throw,

1153
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:26,120
Speaker 2: he misses the second free throw, leaves it short, and

1154
00:54:26,160 --> 00:54:29,200
Speaker 2: then Jr. Has the ball and Jr. Panics a little

1155
00:54:29,200 --> 00:54:32,320
Speaker 2: bit and is a little a little flustered, and we

1156
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,080
Speaker 2: got the meme. So at least we got the meme,

1157
00:54:34,200 --> 00:54:36,399
Speaker 2: what are you doing? Jr? And then they got they

1158
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 2: got crushed in overtime, and then it was sort of

1159
00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 2: a blowout from the rest of the series. Like it

1160
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 2: was one of those weird ones like Game one, it's like, oh,

1161
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,319
Speaker 2: they didn't grab it, that's probably it. And it yeah,

1162
00:54:46,560 --> 00:54:48,840
Speaker 2: like panned out that way. That's why I havinged seventh

1163
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:49,719
Speaker 2: because of that reason.

1164
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 3: Game. Yeah, that's the one you gotta win for sure.

1165
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:57,439
Speaker 3: And George Hill, Uh he gets by not being remembered.

1166
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:57,560
Speaker 4: All that way.

1167
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure, because.

1168
00:54:59,080 --> 00:55:01,759
Speaker 3: He hit that first one and then missed the second one.

1169
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: And when you think back, it's amazing that Jay R.

1170
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,000
Speaker 3: Smith didn't know what he was doing because it was

1171
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: a free throw. Like, there was so much time to

1172
00:55:08,160 --> 00:55:10,479
Speaker 3: talk about it too. If we miss a free throw,

1173
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: don't dribble the ball, dude, don't do what you did.

1174
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 3: Really weird that he he just had such a brain

1175
00:55:20,120 --> 00:55:23,000
Speaker 3: fart where he just thought we're gonna kill the clock.

1176
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:26,880
Speaker 3: So yeah, there's that. And obviously, yeah Lebron had a

1177
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:30,520
Speaker 3: monster game in that one, and things went bad in

1178
00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,719
Speaker 3: games two, three, and four. But yeah, I think it's

1179
00:55:33,760 --> 00:55:39,040
Speaker 3: totally fun. Yeah, and plus I know people don't really

1180
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:42,399
Speaker 3: remember a lot about Durant's Warriors run. I would say,

1181
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 3: like the casual fan, will he remember immediately, Yeah, Durank

1182
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 3: came and they went to in a row. This is

1183
00:55:48,160 --> 00:55:52,160
Speaker 3: a second row, second championship for him. I know it

1184
00:55:52,160 --> 00:55:57,919
Speaker 3: doesn't matter to anybody right exactly, And so it was Yeah,

1185
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 3: I understand, I understand that and this was the last

1186
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:05,680
Speaker 3: finals for those two teams together, which will you know,

1187
00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 3: basically took up that decade.

1188
00:56:07,160 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 2: It was all visually wild going through this, going, oh

1189
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:14,320
Speaker 2: my god, we really did have Warriors Cats so many times. Yeah,

1190
00:56:14,360 --> 00:56:17,640
Speaker 2: and it's like now we're in this parody stage of

1191
00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 2: all these new teams winning championships and even new teams

1192
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: being in the finals. Like I assume it one one

1193
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 2: day we'll get back to that. You know, there'll be

1194
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,520
Speaker 2: two elite squads right in both conferences always meeting up.

1195
00:56:27,560 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 2: It'll happen again, but like it feels so unlikely right

1196
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:32,919
Speaker 2: now where we are just with out of the league

1197
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,600
Speaker 2: and the second Aprons and how you can build teams

1198
00:56:34,640 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: and I don't know, maybe and then maybe expansion coming

1199
00:56:37,040 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: as well and that whole wrinkle. Okay, number six on

1200
00:56:40,040 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 2: the list Lakers Overheat twenty twenty so six game series.

1201
00:56:45,440 --> 00:56:47,520
Speaker 2: I struggled where to put this one because this is

1202
00:56:47,600 --> 00:56:52,040
Speaker 2: the the COVID Finals. This is the finals played in

1203
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:56,400
Speaker 2: late September early October, which is really weird. This is

1204
00:56:56,400 --> 00:56:59,360
Speaker 2: the Disney bubble, so no fan so like that. I

1205
00:56:59,400 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 2: don't know, is that make it more memorable? Does it

1206
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 2: knock it down? A peg for you. Again, It's a

1207
00:57:04,680 --> 00:57:07,160
Speaker 2: tough one. Lakers won the first two games in fairly

1208
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: dominant fashion. You had just recently talked about Anthony Davis.

1209
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 2: He was the MVP front runner through the first couple

1210
00:57:13,840 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 2: of games, which was true, but Lebron went on to

1211
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 2: get another Finals MVP. I think I have it where

1212
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 2: it is because and maybe I had forgotten about this,

1213
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:24,280
Speaker 2: but in looking into it, I forget how many Heat

1214
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 2: players got injured. In Game one, Jimmy Butler twists twists

1215
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,439
Speaker 2: his left ankle before the end of the first half.

1216
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,640
Speaker 2: He remained in the game, and you know, he went

1217
00:57:34,680 --> 00:57:38,120
Speaker 2: on to deliver some historic performances and memes throughout the

1218
00:57:38,160 --> 00:57:40,600
Speaker 2: series there in the bubble. But you had Goran Dragic

1219
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 2: not playing in the second half foot injury. He would

1220
00:57:43,600 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 2: not return until Game six, off the bench like they

1221
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 2: were like, you know, can you give us anything? Yeah, desperate,

1222
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,120
Speaker 2: So he didn't play basically the entire series and bam,

1223
00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 2: out of bio. I'd forgotten about this. He exited in

1224
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 2: the third quarter of that game with a shoulder injury.

1225
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 2: He missed two games, you know, one which they did

1226
00:57:59,480 --> 00:58:02,320
Speaker 2: win because Jimmy Butler was going for a forty plus

1227
00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:05,800
Speaker 2: point triple double in Game three, but the injury is

1228
00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:08,520
Speaker 2: knocked it down, and I don't know, the bubble part

1229
00:58:08,520 --> 00:58:10,720
Speaker 2: of it sort of hurts it a bit. But where

1230
00:58:10,760 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: do you think you would have it? Somewhere in the

1231
00:58:12,920 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: middle here, like I do.

1232
00:58:13,920 --> 00:58:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think so. To have Jimmy Butler have a

1233
00:58:16,240 --> 00:58:18,640
Speaker 3: forty point game in game members and Jimmy.

1234
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 2: Saves it, yes, all you almost think of Jimmy Moore absolutely,

1235
00:58:21,560 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 2: and the heat getting there and you're putting up a fight.

1236
00:58:23,800 --> 00:58:26,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, you do. And I don't really care that it's

1237
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:30,160
Speaker 3: a bubble win. I know some people just don't want

1238
00:58:30,200 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 3: to see that, see that the Lakers won and it

1239
00:58:32,800 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 3: doesn't mean enough because it was in the bubble and

1240
00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:37,440
Speaker 3: they didn't have to travel or whatever. But the Jimmy

1241
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,920
Speaker 3: Butler factor is huge. The forty point game and then

1242
00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 3: hanging over the table where he's exhausted. Yeah, that forty

1243
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: point game was awesome. And winning two games despite all

1244
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,720
Speaker 3: those injuries. Scorn Dragge was very very good and very

1245
00:58:51,720 --> 00:58:54,440
Speaker 3: important for me, I know exactly, and Tyler Hero was

1246
00:58:54,480 --> 00:58:58,360
Speaker 3: really good in replacing him in a way for the

1247
00:58:58,520 --> 00:58:59,720
Speaker 3: just just to have another guard.

1248
00:59:00,720 --> 00:59:03,160
Speaker 2: Was he the youngest finals youngest guy to ever started

1249
00:59:03,200 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 2: finals or something like that. Maybe at the time he

1250
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 2: was young, he was like twenty. How many games they

1251
00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,439
Speaker 2: inserted him in the starting lineup I think at one.

1252
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 3: Point, Yeah, at one point for sure. Yeah. Oh that's

1253
00:59:13,840 --> 00:59:16,080
Speaker 3: that's a good point. Yeah. That was his rookie year,

1254
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:17,640
Speaker 3: his best year.

1255
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 2: He was definitely twenty.

1256
00:59:19,320 --> 00:59:22,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, crazy. It says twenty here, and let's see,

1257
00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,480
Speaker 3: he was born on January twentieth, two thousand. He's a

1258
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,120
Speaker 3: big twenty. A lot of twenties there is all I'm

1259
00:59:29,160 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 3: trying to say. Yeah, so he was twenty because that

1260
00:59:31,760 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 3: was twenty twenty. Anyway, I got no problem having no

1261
00:59:34,920 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 3: fans there, having the digital boards where you see people's faces.

1262
00:59:40,400 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 3: It was a weird time. I don't like remembering that

1263
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:44,640
Speaker 3: part of it.

1264
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:45,479
Speaker 2: That was weird.

1265
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:49,120
Speaker 3: It was not having fans there and just them kind

1266
00:59:49,120 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 3: of cheering along. That part was weird. Did they do

1267
00:59:51,760 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 3: that for the finals?

1268
00:59:52,760 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 2: I can't remember.

1269
00:59:53,720 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 3: I think, So that was weird.

1270
00:59:56,560 --> 00:59:58,480
Speaker 2: It was a weird year. Yeah, weird couple of years.

1271
00:59:58,520 --> 00:59:59,760
Speaker 3: A yeah, that's true, all right.

1272
01:00:00,200 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: I think all of these are better than that one.

1273
01:00:01,720 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 2: So at number five, Warriors over Calves twenty fifteen, their

1274
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:09,480
Speaker 2: first title. Six game series calves up to one in

1275
01:00:09,520 --> 01:00:12,440
Speaker 2: this series, it looked like Lebron was maybe gonna pull

1276
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: off this upset over the Warriors despite not having Kevin

1277
01:00:16,360 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 2: Love and Kyrie Irving. Right, those guys are basically out.

1278
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 2: And this was the Lebron ISO after Lebron ISO after

1279
01:00:24,800 --> 01:00:29,439
Speaker 2: Lebron ISO, slowing things down to a damn krawl, which

1280
01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 2: made for like, you know, an interesting dynamic of like

1281
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:35,720
Speaker 2: whoa can this work? And it was working for a while,

1282
01:00:36,280 --> 01:00:41,560
Speaker 2: but then Golden State ripped off three straight wins. Curry

1283
01:00:41,720 --> 01:00:45,160
Speaker 2: a massive Game six that I think gets forgotten, thirty

1284
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:48,960
Speaker 2: seven points, he hit seven threes, Maybe gets forgotten because

1285
01:00:48,960 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 2: he doesn't win finals MVP. That goes to andre Iguodala,

1286
01:00:51,520 --> 01:00:56,280
Speaker 2: who held Lebron to thirty six, thirteen and nine in

1287
01:00:56,320 --> 01:01:00,680
Speaker 2: the series. Agdala did hit fourteen three point in the finals,

1288
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 2: hit more than Klay Thompson. Pretty crazy. He had Curry

1289
01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 2: hitting a ton, He had fourteen threes. Clay hit twelve.

1290
01:01:08,480 --> 01:01:10,280
Speaker 2: Who's the real splash brother there in that final. So

1291
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:12,640
Speaker 2: you know that was a big reason why too that

1292
01:01:12,720 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 2: he got finals MVP. Yeah, he was contributing offense.

1293
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:18,080
Speaker 3: I guess the more surprising part to me is Clay

1294
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 3: should have hit more three only twelve. Yeah, but this

1295
01:01:22,200 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 3: is an incredible series. It's good here when you broke

1296
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:26,240
Speaker 3: it down there just the fact that the Cleveland Cavaliers

1297
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,320
Speaker 3: are up to one. So you got a great series

1298
01:01:28,400 --> 01:01:31,400
Speaker 3: the whole. Matthew Delvadova is able to stop step Steph

1299
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,640
Speaker 3: Curry headlines that kind of thing. But Lebron James after

1300
01:01:34,720 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 3: losing Kyrier ring in Game one, right, that was that

1301
01:01:37,040 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 3: was fun. That was the overtime game and Kevin Love out.

1302
01:01:42,040 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 3: Lebron James took this team to six games with the

1303
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:50,240
Speaker 3: guys starting behind beside him in Matthew delva Dova, Emon

1304
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,440
Speaker 3: Schumpert for part of it.

1305
01:01:52,880 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, give me it all time, em

1306
01:01:55,920 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 2: On shoompere. Yes, it's been a while. Yeah, he still

1307
01:02:00,400 --> 01:02:01,800
Speaker 2: got it, I think so who else who?

1308
01:02:03,120 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 5: Yeah?

1309
01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:08,680
Speaker 3: I like that anyways, Delvdova was starting, Moscolf was starting, Shumpert, yeah,

1310
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:12,640
Speaker 3: as I said, and Tristan Thompson. Those those four guys, Wow,

1311
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:16,760
Speaker 3: those four guys. I thought j R. Was starting at times,

1312
01:02:16,920 --> 01:02:20,200
Speaker 3: but I think they went the defense. They said Lebron's

1313
01:02:20,240 --> 01:02:22,040
Speaker 3: just it.

1314
01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:26,160
Speaker 2: Was Alan Iverson seventy six ers. I mean really it

1315
01:02:26,200 --> 01:02:28,840
Speaker 2: was with Lebron playing the AI role and like, let's

1316
01:02:29,040 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: just play you all you other dudes, don't worry about it.

1317
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:34,400
Speaker 2: He's got us offensively. You just played defense in it.

1318
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 2: It worked for a little bit, but you couldn't.

1319
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 3: They're up to one.

1320
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 2: Couldn't hold down Steve Kerr and Steph Curry and Clay

1321
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:40,280
Speaker 2: and all those.

1322
01:02:40,640 --> 01:02:43,920
Speaker 3: Del Vedova needed an IV. He had to leave the

1323
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,160
Speaker 3: game because he was just so gassed at guarding the

1324
01:02:46,240 --> 01:02:48,600
Speaker 3: way he was guarding. Steph Curry was hospile. I believe

1325
01:02:48,600 --> 01:02:52,960
Speaker 3: he was hospitalized or at least the back of the

1326
01:02:53,480 --> 01:02:57,600
Speaker 3: the state in the arena. It was something he was liquids. Yeah,

1327
01:02:57,640 --> 01:03:02,280
Speaker 3: he was done. Get a false done him. Get that

1328
01:03:02,360 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 3: man of Foster. What's that other Australian beer that I

1329
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,360
Speaker 3: always think Foster is their biggest beer.

1330
01:03:07,200 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 2: But its Victoria Bitter VB. You still drink the hell

1331
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:14,160
Speaker 2: out of that one, and then there's another one. It's

1332
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:16,680
Speaker 2: like is it four X or something like that. There's

1333
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: a lot of exes. I forget. VB was the beer

1334
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:23,600
Speaker 2: of choice when I was working on the tree farm

1335
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:25,720
Speaker 2: in Australia back in the day.

1336
01:03:25,960 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 4: Ever have a Carlton cold. I don't even know.

1337
01:03:29,200 --> 01:03:32,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, no VB. It was a VB. Yeah, area

1338
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: the Stubbies. You gotta stubby studies. Ye are great, all right?

1339
01:03:36,320 --> 01:03:39,240
Speaker 2: I had that at number five. I think some people say, whoa, whoaa,

1340
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,800
Speaker 2: that seems a little too low on your list, because

1341
01:03:41,840 --> 01:03:45,000
Speaker 2: this one at number four, I think is the most polarizing.

1342
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:46,960
Speaker 2: I know some of those other podcasts, like I talked

1343
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,280
Speaker 2: about that we're doing this. I know our guy Will

1344
01:03:49,320 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 2: Lou he had this like dead Last, and that is

1345
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:57,160
Speaker 2: Bucks over Suns twenty twenty one. People either really hate

1346
01:03:57,160 --> 01:03:59,840
Speaker 2: this Finals or like me, I, I thought it was

1347
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,240
Speaker 2: damn good. I'll make the case for it. It was

1348
01:04:03,240 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 2: a six game series. The Suns were up two to zero. Obviously.

1349
01:04:06,440 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 2: The Bucks then won four straight. We had Chris Paul

1350
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,560
Speaker 2: in his Finals debut, dominating in Game one, get a

1351
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,640
Speaker 2: monster Game one. We had a huge Game four from Middleton.

1352
01:04:16,680 --> 01:04:18,840
Speaker 2: He scored forty points. He had ten straight down the

1353
01:04:18,880 --> 01:04:21,480
Speaker 2: stretch in that game. That was the game. Yannis blocked

1354
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:25,600
Speaker 2: the Alioup attempt by DeAndre Ayton, one of the greatest

1355
01:04:25,640 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 2: blocks in Finals history. I was just recently watching it.

1356
01:04:28,680 --> 01:04:30,200
Speaker 2: I did a playback where I went through the best

1357
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:32,960
Speaker 2: blocks in finals history, some list that somebody had curated.

1358
01:04:33,440 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 2: Oh my god, we were watching it, like, just fire

1359
01:04:35,800 --> 01:04:39,040
Speaker 2: that up today, do yourself a favorite. It's unbelievable. Game five,

1360
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: Milwaukee leading by one point, was sixteen seconds left. Drew

1361
01:04:43,320 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 2: Holiday steals the ball from Booker, throws the aliup Tiannis

1362
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:48,760
Speaker 2: and one that secares that game. And then in Game six,

1363
01:04:48,800 --> 01:04:53,440
Speaker 2: Giannis goes for fifty points, fourteen boards. The guy's suddenly

1364
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,040
Speaker 2: like Jose Calderone. From the free throw line, he goes

1365
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:59,720
Speaker 2: seventeen to nineteen. Insane. That was a big storyline throughout

1366
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:01,640
Speaker 2: the post season, even early in the in the in

1367
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 2: the finals. About Yiannis, Yeah, he's not really good at

1368
01:05:04,360 --> 01:05:06,080
Speaker 2: the free throw line. Maybe that's where you can beat him.

1369
01:05:06,120 --> 01:05:09,320
Speaker 2: I thought this had a lot of like memorable perform Yeah,

1370
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 2: Booker having monster games, Booker having really bad games. I

1371
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 2: thought this was a good series with memorable plays. Obviously

1372
01:05:16,920 --> 01:05:20,680
Speaker 2: an historic Game six there from Jannis with the fifty

1373
01:05:20,680 --> 01:05:23,280
Speaker 2: point performing. I don't know, I like this one. What

1374
01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 2: about you?

1375
01:05:23,880 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 3: Oh? I love this one. I understand maybe for the

1376
01:05:25,880 --> 01:05:29,360
Speaker 3: casual fan, don't have two markets that you really remember.

1377
01:05:29,560 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 3: I just aren't marquee NBA market.

1378
01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,000
Speaker 2: That almost better though, because you were gonna have like

1379
01:05:36,000 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 2: a winner that hadn't won it either in Milwaukee's case

1380
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,200
Speaker 2: in a very long time.

1381
01:05:39,320 --> 01:05:41,960
Speaker 3: Fifty Yeah, it was pretty cool that they wanted fifty

1382
01:05:42,040 --> 01:05:45,360
Speaker 3: years after the first one. I'm exactly fifty right, that's

1383
01:05:45,400 --> 01:05:46,040
Speaker 3: neat right with.

1384
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 2: Back with the you know, Louel Cinder days and big

1385
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 2: oh and then or the Suns were gonna win their

1386
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,880
Speaker 2: first one ever. I mean, you're right. Maybe there wasn't

1387
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 2: the fan fair behind it was it was it was

1388
01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:58,040
Speaker 2: the post COVID year, though. I think we were back

1389
01:05:58,080 --> 01:06:01,640
Speaker 2: to basically full stadiums by the time we got to

1390
01:06:01,680 --> 01:06:02,160
Speaker 2: the finals.

1391
01:06:02,160 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 3: So yeah, no, no COVID problems Herembo was awesome. He

1392
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 3: got injured in the Conference finals. Yeah, he got the

1393
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 3: hyper extended knee where it looked like it bent backwards

1394
01:06:12,640 --> 01:06:14,760
Speaker 3: in Game one of the NBA Finals. Was a week later.

1395
01:06:14,840 --> 01:06:17,640
Speaker 3: Some people wondered, We all wondered, see I is gonna

1396
01:06:17,640 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 3: come back. This dude was amazing in the NBA Finals.

1397
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 3: You mentioned some of those plays, like the ridiculous block

1398
01:06:25,480 --> 01:06:29,440
Speaker 3: on DeAndre Aden. Yeah, it is amazing how he was

1399
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: able to trail and run back and recover for a

1400
01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: huge block. There's just so many plays. And then for

1401
01:06:36,640 --> 01:06:38,840
Speaker 3: him to end it off in game six with a

1402
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:43,280
Speaker 3: fifty point performance and then to sit on that chair

1403
01:06:43,360 --> 01:06:46,080
Speaker 3: at the baseline and just soak it all in. That

1404
01:06:46,200 --> 01:06:49,040
Speaker 3: was an incredible Yanni's performance. But they were also down

1405
01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:49,880
Speaker 3: two oh, and it.

1406
01:06:49,880 --> 01:06:53,160
Speaker 2: Felt like, oh my god, Chris Paul is going to

1407
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,960
Speaker 2: do this, yeah, Oh my god. Devin Booker is obviously,

1408
01:06:56,360 --> 01:06:59,800
Speaker 2: you know, taken to the next step in his superstardom. Yeah.

1409
01:07:00,080 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 2: And then and this franchise is finally going to do it.

1410
01:07:02,280 --> 01:07:04,400
Speaker 2: Oh my god. You know they couldn't you know, Barkley

1411
01:07:04,400 --> 01:07:07,360
Speaker 2: couldn't get past Jordan's bulls and they had a chance

1412
01:07:07,440 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: way back in the day, and they're going to do

1413
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:09,520
Speaker 2: it here and then.

1414
01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,680
Speaker 3: Ending the final fifty burger how many players and a

1415
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:18,680
Speaker 3: finals game, the game six, the punctuation with a fifty burger.

1416
01:07:18,760 --> 01:07:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing. Now the one maybe one knock on

1417
01:07:23,080 --> 01:07:24,760
Speaker 2: this series and I and I got to give credit

1418
01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,120
Speaker 2: to the Hello and Welcome podcast for reminding me of this,

1419
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:30,240
Speaker 2: because Jeff Tigue recently was on a podcast his podcast

1420
01:07:30,520 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 2: saying like the postgame celebration sucked.

1421
01:07:34,600 --> 01:07:34,920
Speaker 3: Oh yah.

1422
01:07:34,920 --> 01:07:36,480
Speaker 2: He said, he just jumped in his truck and like

1423
01:07:36,600 --> 01:07:39,280
Speaker 2: drove to Indiana. It's like nothing was going on. He's

1424
01:07:39,320 --> 01:07:42,560
Speaker 2: all bumped, which is really weird. And then didn't Yannis

1425
01:07:42,640 --> 01:07:44,560
Speaker 2: go get like Chick fil am Hm? Was that that

1426
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:45,520
Speaker 2: night or the next day?

1427
01:07:45,600 --> 01:07:47,680
Speaker 3: I got fifty pieces of chicken? Yeah?

1428
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:51,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, wasn't a cool party.

1429
01:07:51,440 --> 01:07:54,959
Speaker 3: There wasn't a cool party. Yeah, I mean I would

1430
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 3: be upset with that, but I also wouldn't be capable

1431
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,680
Speaker 3: of playing like anisthetic upo and winning it in the

1432
01:07:59,720 --> 01:08:01,600
Speaker 3: egg as he wanted. At the end of it all,

1433
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:03,600
Speaker 3: you don't want to party after game one, two, three,

1434
01:08:03,600 --> 01:08:05,040
Speaker 3: four five. But at the end of all, I understand

1435
01:08:05,080 --> 01:08:08,280
Speaker 3: what Jeff Tige is saying from his perspective on a

1436
01:08:08,320 --> 01:08:10,000
Speaker 3: team where he wasn't a huge part of that team.

1437
01:08:10,040 --> 01:08:11,479
Speaker 3: He was just he was just there for the run.

1438
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:14,160
Speaker 3: The tea basically didn't play in that series.

1439
01:08:14,240 --> 01:08:15,720
Speaker 2: I I don't think he played a lot.

1440
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:18,240
Speaker 3: No, So he wanted to party.

1441
01:08:18,640 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 2: Well, these guys were too, they were too like old

1442
01:08:21,080 --> 01:08:23,600
Speaker 2: and mature. Yeah you had you're I mean, they're not

1443
01:08:23,640 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 2: bat old, but you're Drew Holiday obviously winning his first chip. Middleton,

1444
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 2: like I said, had a pretty good series.

1445
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:34,559
Speaker 3: Eric bledsoe of course, Brook Lopez. Yeah, they went. They

1446
01:08:34,600 --> 01:08:38,720
Speaker 3: went to hang out in Greece and in different ways

1447
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:41,680
Speaker 3: like later later Eric, but I wanted to rest. I

1448
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 3: remember some videos of Eric bledso hang with you instead

1449
01:08:44,439 --> 01:08:47,400
Speaker 3: of Google. But I understand, Jeff, it was good finals.

1450
01:08:47,600 --> 01:08:49,960
Speaker 2: So we just said I'm interested to hear what people

1451
01:08:50,000 --> 01:08:52,400
Speaker 2: did debate. I got a number four, okay, number three

1452
01:08:53,160 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 2: Raptors over Warriors twenty nineteen. Not that I went back

1453
01:08:57,520 --> 01:09:00,519
Speaker 2: and forth between being a runner up on this list

1454
01:09:00,720 --> 01:09:03,000
Speaker 2: or the number three spot here, which I'm going with

1455
01:09:03,560 --> 01:09:06,800
Speaker 2: six game series. Now, look, the reason I ultimately put

1456
01:09:06,840 --> 01:09:11,400
Speaker 2: it down to number three was Katie not playing until

1457
01:09:11,439 --> 01:09:14,440
Speaker 2: he returned in game five and then tore his achilles

1458
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 2: after playing what like eleven minutes. That was unfortunate. And

1459
01:09:19,280 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 2: then you know he had Kay Thompson getting injured in

1460
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:23,920
Speaker 2: game six, yeah, which was you know, sort of gets

1461
01:09:23,920 --> 01:09:26,840
Speaker 2: overlooked because maybe of the KD injury. He tore his

1462
01:09:26,920 --> 01:09:29,639
Speaker 2: ACL in the second half of game six, So those

1463
01:09:29,720 --> 01:09:31,760
Speaker 2: that really sucks. I mean, look, I'm a Raptors fan.

1464
01:09:31,800 --> 01:09:34,320
Speaker 2: We're Raptors fans. We were ecstatic they finally won a championship.

1465
01:09:34,320 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was our last year with the starters.

1466
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:38,920
Speaker 2: It was surreal. I was in Toronto and got to

1467
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:42,519
Speaker 2: celebrate all night long in the city when they won.

1468
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,799
Speaker 2: But you know, that hampers it a little bit. Basketball

1469
01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:49,200
Speaker 2: was awesome, though. The basketball was awesome. For the six

1470
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 2: games decided by seven points or less, I think three

1471
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 2: of them by even like less than that. There were

1472
01:09:54,120 --> 01:09:58,080
Speaker 2: close games and it was a good series I think

1473
01:09:58,080 --> 01:09:59,679
Speaker 2: overall in terms of the basketball.

1474
01:10:00,160 --> 01:10:00,519
Speaker 3: Good series.

1475
01:10:00,600 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 2: I mean, all of Canada was into it. I'm sure

1476
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,120
Speaker 2: Americans have a different opinion about it, but it was

1477
01:10:05,120 --> 01:10:05,599
Speaker 2: still a good.

1478
01:10:05,520 --> 01:10:09,719
Speaker 3: Basketball Yes, I think I put Bucks Sons over this one.

1479
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:10,320
Speaker 3: This one.

1480
01:10:10,760 --> 01:10:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, these were close games.

1481
01:10:12,360 --> 01:10:15,519
Speaker 3: Man. The fact that Kevin Durant was out obviously big part.

1482
01:10:15,640 --> 01:10:18,679
Speaker 3: Clay Thompson also was injured. He missed Game three because

1483
01:10:18,720 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 3: of it. He got injured in Game two and had

1484
01:10:21,120 --> 01:10:24,439
Speaker 3: to walk off Danny Green. That Danny Green got him

1485
01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:28,080
Speaker 3: on that dunk attempt was that the game later in

1486
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,639
Speaker 3: the series, and but Klay Thompson was I thought that's

1487
01:10:30,680 --> 01:10:33,200
Speaker 3: how he got you got injured injured. Yeah, you're right,

1488
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:35,000
Speaker 3: and he came back for the free throws. But he

1489
01:10:35,040 --> 01:10:36,840
Speaker 3: did miss Game three and that's where the box and

1490
01:10:36,840 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 3: win was invented. Just go after Steph. No Clay on

1491
01:10:39,880 --> 01:10:43,240
Speaker 3: the floor, No Kevin Durant on the floor. It's deflating.

1492
01:10:43,360 --> 01:10:46,439
Speaker 3: I was there when Kevin Durant got injured.

1493
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,519
Speaker 2: We were there, yeah, game five, when everybody in that

1494
01:10:49,680 --> 01:10:52,040
Speaker 2: arena outside of us because we were like it ain't

1495
01:10:52,080 --> 01:10:54,799
Speaker 2: over that place. Thought the Raptors were winning the championship

1496
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:57,200
Speaker 2: that night. Remember like final couple of minutes. Oh yeah,

1497
01:10:57,200 --> 01:10:58,559
Speaker 2: it took like what it was it up eight oh

1498
01:10:58,640 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 2: or something like that or up eight like late, and

1499
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,000
Speaker 2: then like, oh, here come the Splash Brothers start banging

1500
01:11:03,000 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 2: threes and suddenly they steal that game. Despite the injury

1501
01:11:05,400 --> 01:11:08,440
Speaker 2: to KD. I was like, oh god, that was incredible

1502
01:11:08,479 --> 01:11:12,320
Speaker 2: though that that was a wild game. I'm saying the injury.

1503
01:11:12,400 --> 01:11:14,439
Speaker 2: No one wants to see any superstar get injury, but

1504
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: like it's memorable because of those injuries unfortunately and coming

1505
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:21,720
Speaker 2: back and trying to play. Yeah, and the Raptor's top

1506
01:11:21,760 --> 01:11:24,680
Speaker 2: seven guys were elite. Lowry first the game six to

1507
01:11:24,720 --> 01:11:29,560
Speaker 2: start that that punctuation was amazing. But Lowry, Green, Kawhi, Siakam, Gasol,

1508
01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:33,719
Speaker 2: Van Vliet and Abaka like those seven were the guys

1509
01:11:33,720 --> 01:11:36,599
Speaker 2: that basically played all the minutes. There were spot minutes here.

1510
01:11:36,640 --> 01:11:39,679
Speaker 3: It was an incredible yeah, and it was Norman Powell

1511
01:11:39,720 --> 01:11:42,200
Speaker 3: didn't play a lot. No, it was no after being

1512
01:11:42,240 --> 01:11:45,280
Speaker 3: great with the Raptors and helping win some series. It

1513
01:11:45,320 --> 01:11:48,280
Speaker 3: was just an incredible team performance. It's totally true. And

1514
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:53,280
Speaker 3: Drake was good. Uh, you just made me flashback game one,

1515
01:11:53,600 --> 01:12:00,760
Speaker 3: just just being able to do what they did. Yeah. Yeah,

1516
01:12:02,000 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 3: because Golden State stole it stole Game one, and I thought,

1517
01:12:06,360 --> 01:12:07,839
Speaker 3: did they not? Or am I backwards?

1518
01:12:07,840 --> 01:12:09,639
Speaker 2: The Raptors won three games on the road.

1519
01:12:09,880 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 3: Oh, I got it backwards. Yeah, for the for the

1520
01:12:11,840 --> 01:12:16,599
Speaker 3: Raptors to be able to win they won game one, Yeah,

1521
01:12:16,960 --> 01:12:19,960
Speaker 3: but a wild series. Yeah. I just had a flashbash

1522
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 3: of watching Kevin Durant warm up in that game and

1523
01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:27,000
Speaker 3: he looked this this guy's back, he looks he looks good,

1524
01:12:27,200 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 3: and in the first quarter he hit three threes just

1525
01:12:29,680 --> 01:12:31,479
Speaker 3: because he looked so great, and then for him to

1526
01:12:31,560 --> 01:12:35,439
Speaker 3: go down was obviously deflating. And then they were still

1527
01:12:35,479 --> 01:12:38,600
Speaker 3: able to win that game. They were saying crazy, that

1528
01:12:38,720 --> 01:12:41,599
Speaker 3: was the weird Nick Nurse calling a timeout up five

1529
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,200
Speaker 3: with two and a half minutes left, with the ball.

1530
01:12:43,240 --> 01:12:44,920
Speaker 3: Why are you why are you calling time out? You

1531
01:12:45,040 --> 01:12:47,240
Speaker 3: just took the air out of the Raptors.

1532
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1533
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,960
Speaker 3: Uh, And they lost that game, But to go into

1534
01:12:49,960 --> 01:12:53,080
Speaker 3: Golden State was wild. In game six, how they were

1535
01:12:53,120 --> 01:12:55,320
Speaker 3: able to do that. Kyle Lowry was a monster to

1536
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 3: start that game.

1537
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:57,759
Speaker 2: I'm gonna give you sort of like and I shouldn't

1538
01:12:57,760 --> 01:12:59,720
Speaker 2: have done this, but it's impossible to like remove it

1539
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 2: from The twenty nineteen playoffs were pretty damn incredible too,

1540
01:13:03,600 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 2: Like they were really good. You had you had Damian

1541
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: Lillard with the walkoff in the first round against the Thunder,

1542
01:13:09,640 --> 01:13:13,479
Speaker 2: the bye bye the like over Paul George, and you

1543
01:13:13,520 --> 01:13:16,559
Speaker 2: had the Kawhi shot of course, and you had the

1544
01:13:16,680 --> 01:13:18,920
Speaker 2: Raptors coming back against a box they were also down too.

1545
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 2: Oh in that it was like it was like a

1546
01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:24,679
Speaker 2: magical run of course, in this with the Kawhi hired

1547
01:13:24,720 --> 01:13:27,360
Speaker 2: gun of it all, and it just I can't still

1548
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:28,960
Speaker 2: believe to this day that it happened. So that's why

1549
01:13:28,960 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 2: I got it at number three. But at number two,

1550
01:13:32,520 --> 01:13:36,519
Speaker 2: I've got Warriors over Celtics twenty twenty three six game series.

1551
01:13:36,800 --> 01:13:39,000
Speaker 2: I believe it's gonna be the Warrior's sort of last dance.

1552
01:13:39,240 --> 01:13:41,519
Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna win another championship with their

1553
01:13:41,960 --> 01:13:44,120
Speaker 2: their current sort of structure. We may not even have

1554
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:46,639
Speaker 2: them next year playing together the two splash brothers in Draymond.

1555
01:13:46,960 --> 01:13:50,960
Speaker 2: But this one game one of that series, Steph had

1556
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:54,799
Speaker 2: twenty one points in the first quarter, but the Celtics

1557
01:13:54,800 --> 01:13:56,960
Speaker 2: caught fire in the fourth. Al Horford was a monster,

1558
01:13:57,080 --> 01:14:00,200
Speaker 2: Derek White was a monster off the bench, and they

1559
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:04,080
Speaker 2: pulled out the victory. They were up two to one,

1560
01:14:04,960 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 2: and we're looking like the Celtics were gonna win this

1561
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,439
Speaker 2: title here. Yeah, with those JS, but in Game four

1562
01:14:09,479 --> 01:14:13,360
Speaker 2: Curry said forty three points, he had ten boards as well,

1563
01:14:13,360 --> 01:14:15,720
Speaker 2: and even the series at two games apiece. Then you

1564
01:14:15,760 --> 01:14:18,559
Speaker 2: had Wiggins in game five. He was the second best

1565
01:14:18,560 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 2: Warriors player the entire finals. Difference maker in Game five

1566
01:14:23,280 --> 01:14:25,519
Speaker 2: for sure, they won that game despite shooting nine to

1567
01:14:25,560 --> 01:14:28,760
Speaker 2: forty from deep somehow, and then in Game six took

1568
01:14:28,760 --> 01:14:31,160
Speaker 2: care of business. But it was a good finals. I

1569
01:14:31,200 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 2: think a part of it is like Curry getting his

1570
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:36,040
Speaker 2: first Finals MVP, and a lot of people just didn't

1571
01:14:36,040 --> 01:14:38,680
Speaker 2: see this happening after the two years prior where a

1572
01:14:38,720 --> 01:14:40,760
Speaker 2: bunch of injuries sort of had them out of the

1573
01:14:40,760 --> 01:14:42,280
Speaker 2: postseason completely.

1574
01:14:43,000 --> 01:14:45,680
Speaker 3: I'm fine putting out at number two because this was

1575
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,920
Speaker 3: Steph Curry's show. This was the Steph Curry show. He

1576
01:14:50,000 --> 01:14:53,040
Speaker 3: needed it for his legacy, and not that he needed

1577
01:14:53,040 --> 01:14:56,479
Speaker 3: it personally, but for every casual basketball fan to have

1578
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:58,639
Speaker 3: this as his coronation.

1579
01:14:58,840 --> 01:14:59,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1580
01:14:59,400 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 3: Big. After fifteen, it was a little bit different with

1581
01:15:02,400 --> 01:15:06,240
Speaker 3: the Calves all their injuries and then Durant, Durant, Durant

1582
01:15:06,320 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 3: times two. The Warriors didn't have one. Obviously, we'll get

1583
01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:13,360
Speaker 3: to the twenty sixteen in between, they weren't able to

1584
01:15:14,080 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 3: pull it out in twenty nineteen against the Rappers. No,

1585
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:19,800
Speaker 3: Clay was a big part of that. For sure. He

1586
01:15:19,920 --> 01:15:23,080
Speaker 3: needed one and this was his so it's great for

1587
01:15:23,120 --> 01:15:23,679
Speaker 3: his resume.

1588
01:15:24,400 --> 01:15:27,720
Speaker 2: Good series. Yeah, at at number one. Process of elimination.

1589
01:15:28,120 --> 01:15:30,040
Speaker 2: You know what it is, it's not really a surprise.

1590
01:15:30,080 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 2: It's Calves over Warriors in twenty sixteen, the only seven

1591
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,680
Speaker 2: game series in the Finals from the past decade. And

1592
01:15:37,160 --> 01:15:41,720
Speaker 2: the drama really started in Game four, I guess, with

1593
01:15:41,960 --> 01:15:46,600
Speaker 2: Draymond Green punching Lebron and the Dick and getting suspended

1594
01:15:46,880 --> 01:15:49,160
Speaker 2: after he was assessed a flagrant foul by the league,

1595
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:52,559
Speaker 2: and that gave him the flagrant foul point total that

1596
01:15:52,880 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 2: triggered the automatic suspension. So there was no Draymond Green

1597
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,040
Speaker 2: for Game five. It didn't matter, did and felt like

1598
01:15:59,120 --> 01:16:01,240
Speaker 2: it mattered all them much. They're up three to one.

1599
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:04,759
Speaker 2: I remember the debate was like, where's Draymond Green gonna

1600
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,519
Speaker 2: watch the game? Remember that? Now, where's he gonna He

1601
01:16:07,520 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 2: couldn't be in the arena. There was a whole thing,

1602
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:11,519
Speaker 2: so it was like, where's he gonna be, Where's he

1603
01:16:11,560 --> 01:16:14,320
Speaker 2: gonna be? And they had him, I want to say,

1604
01:16:14,360 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: he was like, oh no, he was gonna go watch

1605
01:16:16,920 --> 01:16:20,600
Speaker 2: it at the Oakland Athletics like stadium, I.

1606
01:16:20,600 --> 01:16:22,120
Speaker 3: Think, or something like that.

1607
01:16:23,120 --> 01:16:24,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was talking that.

1608
01:16:24,240 --> 01:16:27,920
Speaker 3: But anyway, I was in Golden State. You were there,

1609
01:16:28,120 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 3: But yeah, I was there for that game, and I thought,

1610
01:16:30,400 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 3: this is no problem that he's missing a game here

1611
01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:35,040
Speaker 3: and they're up three to one. It just didn't feel

1612
01:16:35,080 --> 01:16:37,760
Speaker 3: like there was any chance for that other team to

1613
01:16:37,800 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: be able to overcome a three one deficit.

1614
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:43,920
Speaker 2: The dynamic duo of Cleveland torched Golden State in the

1615
01:16:43,920 --> 01:16:48,000
Speaker 2: final three games. Yes, you had Kyrie with forty point

1616
01:16:48,000 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 2: efforts in games five and seven, you had Lebron scoring

1617
01:16:51,920 --> 01:16:55,640
Speaker 2: forty plus points in Games five and six. Lebron had

1618
01:16:55,640 --> 01:17:00,000
Speaker 2: the triple double in Game seven, and of course games

1619
01:17:00,040 --> 01:17:05,799
Speaker 2: even has three things that are called the block, the shot,

1620
01:17:06,160 --> 01:17:11,040
Speaker 2: and the stop. Obviously, Lebron chased down on Igodala Kyrie

1621
01:17:11,280 --> 01:17:12,760
Speaker 2: with the three pointer. I guess I have those in

1622
01:17:13,000 --> 01:17:15,000
Speaker 2: the wrong order. There, do I those in the wrong order?

1623
01:17:15,120 --> 01:17:17,120
Speaker 2: I can't remember. And then the stop there I have

1624
01:17:17,360 --> 01:17:19,280
Speaker 2: loved sort of containing Steph Curry.

1625
01:17:19,880 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's memorable stuff there.

1626
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:24,799
Speaker 2: And then hell, you start our podcast, you know, basically

1627
01:17:24,880 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 2: when I say alongside me, as always, Test Meliss, you'd

1628
01:17:27,320 --> 01:17:29,840
Speaker 2: give up podcast listeners. This one's for you, Cleveland. This

1629
01:17:29,880 --> 01:17:34,200
Speaker 2: one's for you Ron. It marked a kept promise from

1630
01:17:34,240 --> 01:17:38,559
Speaker 2: Lebron to bring a championship to Cleveland. It really vaulted

1631
01:17:38,640 --> 01:17:42,000
Speaker 2: him into the greatest of all time sort of argument.

1632
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 2: You know this one specifically, and he would add another

1633
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:46,800
Speaker 2: one with the Lakers and the ball, but this one,

1634
01:17:46,840 --> 01:17:50,120
Speaker 2: they're like, whoa, Okay, how you can't beat this Finals

1635
01:17:51,120 --> 01:17:52,639
Speaker 2: number one with a bullet?

1636
01:17:52,640 --> 01:17:55,200
Speaker 3: I'm good with it, Okay. It is wild to think

1637
01:17:55,240 --> 01:17:58,439
Speaker 3: about Lebron's career when it all said and done, goes

1638
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:02,840
Speaker 3: away from Cleveland is in Miami, wins a couple, then

1639
01:18:02,880 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 3: comes back for this a three to one deficit, and

1640
01:18:07,040 --> 01:18:09,040
Speaker 3: then you know, he goes on to win with the Lakers.

1641
01:18:09,080 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 3: But this is the one that you remember.

1642
01:18:10,520 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the one that everybody even at the

1643
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 2: times like this one feels like it's like worth two

1644
01:18:14,120 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 2: or three championships.

1645
01:18:15,720 --> 01:18:18,480
Speaker 3: It totally feels that way. And that's what the conversation

1646
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,080
Speaker 3: about right now was. That's why Jalen Brown, Jesson Tatum

1647
01:18:22,280 --> 01:18:24,640
Speaker 3: is great for them to stay in Boston because if

1648
01:18:24,720 --> 01:18:26,680
Speaker 3: Kevin Durant was able to do in ok see, how

1649
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:28,599
Speaker 3: much what of that title match? Get it?

1650
01:18:28,680 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 2: It means more? Yeah, it does.

1651
01:18:30,200 --> 01:18:33,439
Speaker 3: It does mean two or three? Yeah, it equals three.

1652
01:18:34,160 --> 01:18:35,440
Speaker 3: This one three championship.

1653
01:18:35,560 --> 01:18:37,759
Speaker 2: Geez, what do you mean? You got them tied with Jordan?

1654
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:41,120
Speaker 2: Then math is right, you got three and if you

1655
01:18:41,120 --> 01:18:42,679
Speaker 2: count this one as three, then he's tied with Jordan.

1656
01:18:42,760 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1657
01:18:42,960 --> 01:18:44,920
Speaker 2: Sure, there you go. There's your vote debate. Okay, So

1658
01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,759
Speaker 2: ranking the last ten NBA Finals Number ten Warriors defeat

1659
01:18:47,800 --> 01:18:50,559
Speaker 2: the Cats four to one in twenty seventeen at number nine.

1660
01:18:50,600 --> 01:18:53,320
Speaker 2: The Celtics defeat the MAVs here in twenty twenty four

1661
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,920
Speaker 2: in five games at number eight Nuggets beating the Heat

1662
01:18:56,080 --> 01:18:58,760
Speaker 2: in five games in twenty twenty three, and number seven

1663
01:18:58,760 --> 01:19:01,280
Speaker 2: the Warriors defeating the Cats in a sweep back in

1664
01:19:01,280 --> 01:19:04,400
Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. But we did have that funny game one

1665
01:19:04,520 --> 01:19:07,800
Speaker 2: the Jared Smith meme at number six Lakers beating the

1666
01:19:07,840 --> 01:19:10,280
Speaker 2: Heat in six games in the Bubble in twenty twenty,

1667
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 2: Number five Warriors beating the Cavs in six in twenty fifteen,

1668
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,760
Speaker 2: Number four Bucks beating the Suns. Don't forget about that

1669
01:19:16,800 --> 01:19:19,960
Speaker 2: finals in six games in twenty twenty one, at number

1670
01:19:20,000 --> 01:19:23,960
Speaker 2: three Toronto Raptors beating the Warriors in six in twenty nineteen,

1671
01:19:24,200 --> 01:19:26,680
Speaker 2: Number two Warriors beat the Celtics four to two in

1672
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:30,519
Speaker 2: twenty twenty two, and number one the best finals from

1673
01:19:30,520 --> 01:19:32,960
Speaker 2: the past ten years Cavs beating the Warriors in a

1674
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,200
Speaker 2: seven game series, coming back from three to one in

1675
01:19:35,240 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 2: twenty sixteen. So not too many issues with my list. Yeah,

1676
01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: couple little spots you might tweak a bit.

1677
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:44,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's fine, that's totally I can live with that.

1678
01:19:44,200 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 3: And just for a little note here and Draymond Green

1679
01:19:47,880 --> 01:19:51,040
Speaker 3: missing Game five in that series, Trey wrote that Draymond

1680
01:19:51,040 --> 01:19:52,960
Speaker 3: watched Game five in a's box.

1681
01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:59,120
Speaker 2: Oh so he was in the Oakland A's box. Okay, yeah, yeah, okay, interesting. Interesting,

1682
01:19:59,600 --> 01:20:00,760
Speaker 2: Let's get tweet other night.

1683
01:20:02,760 --> 01:20:03,840
Speaker 3: Tweet out the night.

1684
01:20:04,560 --> 01:20:04,840
Speaker 2: Wow.

1685
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 3: Listen, one of the best tweeters out there. It's still

1686
01:20:09,280 --> 01:20:14,000
Speaker 3: Magic Johnson, the legend, the legend. Magic Johnson just got simple.

1687
01:20:14,040 --> 01:20:17,160
Speaker 3: After the Celtics took out the mess when all was

1688
01:20:17,200 --> 01:20:20,599
Speaker 3: said and done, he tweeted, I hate that the Celtics

1689
01:20:20,640 --> 01:20:24,720
Speaker 3: officially have more championships than us now, us being the

1690
01:20:24,800 --> 01:20:28,679
Speaker 3: Lakers obviously, but I just love the responses more than anything.

1691
01:20:29,920 --> 01:20:35,599
Speaker 3: First response, you drafted Lonzo Ball over Tatum Jesus. Well, okay,

1692
01:20:35,680 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 3: Lonzo Ball would have been a better player if he

1693
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:39,719
Speaker 3: wasn't injured. But I do like thinking about Lonzo Ball

1694
01:20:39,880 --> 01:20:42,519
Speaker 3: and his press conference with Magic Johnson and Magic Johnson

1695
01:20:42,600 --> 01:20:47,120
Speaker 3: saying his jersey's going to be retired right over there.

1696
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 3: He's going to be in the Hall of Fame right

1697
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 3: over there. So I thought that was a good reply,

1698
01:20:52,120 --> 01:20:54,720
Speaker 3: good reply. Some terrible replies, but I found the good ones.

1699
01:20:54,800 --> 01:20:57,760
Speaker 3: There was also another good one which I did like,

1700
01:20:58,080 --> 01:21:02,759
Speaker 3: somebody saying Boston Celtics actually have six more because Boston

1701
01:21:02,760 --> 01:21:06,680
Speaker 3: Celtics have eighteen and the LA Lakers have twelve, but

1702
01:21:07,000 --> 01:21:10,919
Speaker 3: five of those were when they were the Minneapolis Lakers,

1703
01:21:11,000 --> 01:21:15,599
Speaker 3: with old George Micn doing his thing. That's old, old

1704
01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:18,840
Speaker 3: fact about the Los Angeles Lakers and that their franchise

1705
01:21:18,920 --> 01:21:21,400
Speaker 3: existed in Minneapolis, Minnesota.

1706
01:21:21,479 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 2: Is that a Bill Simmons Burner account. That's definitely what

1707
01:21:25,000 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 2: he's been saying here for a while.

1708
01:21:27,439 --> 01:21:30,920
Speaker 3: I don't mind it. I don't mind it. I know

1709
01:21:31,080 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 3: a lot of Boston championships were older, you know, air

1710
01:21:35,360 --> 01:21:36,880
Speaker 3: quotes older under Bill Russell, and.

1711
01:21:36,920 --> 01:21:40,280
Speaker 2: That's a lot of Lakers fans or other people counter with, like, yeah,

1712
01:21:40,320 --> 01:21:43,400
Speaker 2: you were playing there was like six teams back when

1713
01:21:43,400 --> 01:21:45,479
Speaker 2: you were winning like eight in a row or whatever

1714
01:21:45,520 --> 01:21:46,280
Speaker 2: they say to that.

1715
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:50,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, playing the Plumbers, playing the Plumbers. Well, the Lakers

1716
01:21:50,040 --> 01:21:51,559
Speaker 3: were still around, you know, the Lakers.

1717
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:52,439
Speaker 2: True? Why didn't guys?

1718
01:21:52,680 --> 01:21:55,120
Speaker 3: Yeah? Why didn't? Yeah? And Jerry West when he was

1719
01:21:55,160 --> 01:21:57,800
Speaker 3: doing incredible things for the Lakers, they couldn't overcome the

1720
01:21:57,800 --> 01:22:00,800
Speaker 3: Boston Celtics. So there was great series there between the

1721
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:04,360
Speaker 3: Lakers and Celtics, obviously. But I like that Minneapolis line.

1722
01:22:04,400 --> 01:22:05,639
Speaker 3: It's kind of true when you think.

1723
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:12,200
Speaker 2: About It's true when you go like who would be

1724
01:22:12,280 --> 01:22:16,880
Speaker 2: like the Sacramento Kings. Are they celebrating the King's championship

1725
01:22:16,880 --> 01:22:19,640
Speaker 2: back in the fifties, you know, wherever they were they were,

1726
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 2: I don't even know where they were, Cincinnati, I don't know,

1727
01:22:22,479 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 2: like whatever they were before they moved there. Franchise, Yeah,

1728
01:22:26,040 --> 01:22:29,840
Speaker 2: whatever it is, it's like, probably not. And then I've

1729
01:22:29,880 --> 01:22:31,479
Speaker 2: heard Bill Simmons say, it's not.

1730
01:22:31,400 --> 01:22:33,719
Speaker 3: Like the thun Oh no, they won when they were

1731
01:22:33,600 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 3: they were the Cincinnati Royals for a long time. They

1732
01:22:36,080 --> 01:22:39,400
Speaker 3: were the Kansas City Omaha Kings, Kansas City Kings. But

1733
01:22:39,479 --> 01:22:41,479
Speaker 3: they won it when they were the Rochester Royals.

1734
01:22:41,520 --> 01:22:44,720
Speaker 2: Okay, what a Rochester? So all the point is they're not.

1735
01:22:45,080 --> 01:22:50,479
Speaker 2: And then Simmons has said, like the Thunder fan base,

1736
01:22:50,520 --> 01:22:52,240
Speaker 2: they're not. Like, hey, it's all right, we got one.

1737
01:22:53,000 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 2: We got one in Seattle, we got one in seventy nine,

1738
01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:58,280
Speaker 2: you know, and now I get it. It's it's a

1739
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:02,439
Speaker 2: little different because you're a completely different name and all that. Yes,

1740
01:23:02,560 --> 01:23:05,920
Speaker 2: this is at least the Lakers saying the Lakers just yeah,

1741
01:23:06,080 --> 01:23:08,559
Speaker 2: that's why they're called the Lakers. A bunch of lakes

1742
01:23:08,560 --> 01:23:11,040
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis.

1743
01:23:10,120 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 3: Like a thousand of them. That's so many. I always

1744
01:23:14,479 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 3: forget to add that zero.

1745
01:23:15,640 --> 01:23:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I counted.

1746
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 3: It's so weird.

1747
01:23:17,439 --> 01:23:21,320
Speaker 2: Well, I like what happened last night on Twitter, saying

1748
01:23:21,360 --> 01:23:24,639
Speaker 2: that the Lakers maybe maybe won another title last night

1749
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:27,479
Speaker 2: with Kendrick Lamar and his performance, that they should just

1750
01:23:27,520 --> 01:23:30,559
Speaker 2: be given another one. Did you see this? Oh my god,

1751
01:23:30,720 --> 01:23:33,000
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's streaming again, but a live

1752
01:23:33,040 --> 01:23:39,760
Speaker 2: show on on Prime Amazon last night. Kendrick Lamar and friends. Incredible, incredible.

1753
01:23:39,800 --> 01:23:40,639
Speaker 3: Who were his friends?

1754
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:44,880
Speaker 2: There's a lot of friends, all of California. Every artist

1755
01:23:44,920 --> 01:23:49,040
Speaker 2: from California but Westbrook and DeRozan were up on stage

1756
01:23:49,640 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 2: dancing around. Really yeah, yeah, it was. It was in

1757
01:23:53,040 --> 01:23:54,920
Speaker 2: the forum. So maybe that's why you can maybe give

1758
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:56,240
Speaker 2: the Lakers the championship for.

1759
01:23:56,280 --> 01:23:59,200
Speaker 3: This on Amazon Prime.

1760
01:23:59,280 --> 01:24:01,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was on Amazon. I'm probably was alive. It

1761
01:24:01,040 --> 01:24:03,479
Speaker 2: was pretty amazing last night because it was like there's

1762
01:24:03,479 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 2: a lot of people tweeting about it, of course, and

1763
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 2: he played not like us the the Drake diss.

1764
01:24:07,840 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 3: Like of course.

1765
01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,000
Speaker 2: I think he got up to like six times in

1766
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,719
Speaker 2: a row, at least five times where he was rapping,

1767
01:24:11,760 --> 01:24:13,160
Speaker 2: and then the sixth times they played it as they

1768
01:24:13,200 --> 01:24:17,679
Speaker 2: left the stage. It was pretty iconic. But my favorite

1769
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:21,760
Speaker 2: tweet was Mike Bovis tweeting, this is like we are

1770
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 2: the world but for hating a guy. Because that's how

1771
01:24:24,560 --> 01:24:27,600
Speaker 2: many times they played the the Drake diss and the

1772
01:24:27,600 --> 01:24:29,760
Speaker 2: crowd of course going on how many times did they

1773
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:31,479
Speaker 2: play it? Played five times, six times in a row.

1774
01:24:32,760 --> 01:24:36,880
Speaker 2: It was amazing, No, but it was incredible. Well, it

1775
01:24:36,920 --> 01:24:39,120
Speaker 2: wasn't incredible for Drake, but it was incredible for basically

1776
01:24:39,160 --> 01:24:43,000
Speaker 2: everybody else. So anyway, give the Lakers another championship. They're

1777
01:24:43,000 --> 01:24:45,799
Speaker 2: tied eighteen eighteen after that performance from Kenny.

1778
01:24:46,080 --> 01:24:48,639
Speaker 3: I think it's good for Drake. You think it's good

1779
01:24:48,640 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 3: for Drake, Well, it's not good. It's not good like

1780
01:24:51,720 --> 01:24:55,720
Speaker 3: based on the word, based on the lyrics, but it's

1781
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:59,240
Speaker 3: good based on the record tales, I'd say, I yeah,

1782
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:01,120
Speaker 3: more people takingbout him were people are talking about it?

1783
01:25:01,200 --> 01:25:04,200
Speaker 2: No, No, I'm fascinated to see how he does legit

1784
01:25:04,920 --> 01:25:09,000
Speaker 2: come back from this. You know, what's the PR team,

1785
01:25:09,120 --> 01:25:11,720
Speaker 2: what's the PR decision with this? I don't know right now,

1786
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,640
Speaker 2: he's just laying low. You haven't heard from him in

1787
01:25:14,640 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 2: a while. Probably the right move time heals all. I

1788
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:21,360
Speaker 2: don't know. It was pretty amazing, hopefully. I don't know

1789
01:25:21,400 --> 01:25:22,960
Speaker 2: if it's restreaming. I don't know, if it was just

1790
01:25:23,000 --> 01:25:26,360
Speaker 2: a only live a thing. Maybe it'll be uploaded to YouTube's.

1791
01:25:26,520 --> 01:25:27,120
Speaker 2: It was pretty good.

1792
01:25:27,160 --> 01:25:30,200
Speaker 3: Though he's busy coaching his kids soccer games.

1793
01:25:32,720 --> 01:25:36,240
Speaker 2: Westbrook was having the time of his life really Wenesday.

1794
01:25:36,360 --> 01:25:37,120
Speaker 2: Oh my god.

1795
01:25:37,280 --> 01:25:38,160
Speaker 3: Okay, all right.

1796
01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 2: As he should, as he should, all right, let's call

1797
01:25:42,640 --> 01:25:45,200
Speaker 2: it there. Our next show next week, probably on Tuesday,

1798
01:25:46,040 --> 01:25:49,799
Speaker 2: John Hollinger gonna jump on to break down the NBA Draft.

1799
01:25:50,360 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 2: We don't know a lot about the NBA Draft. We

1800
01:25:52,120 --> 01:25:52,919
Speaker 2: are not experts.

1801
01:25:53,439 --> 01:25:54,479
Speaker 3: He is, he is.

1802
01:25:54,760 --> 01:25:59,519
Speaker 2: He will tell us, uh, who's going where, potential, trades, potential,

1803
01:25:59,560 --> 01:26:02,600
Speaker 2: bus potential, you know, sleepers.

1804
01:26:03,160 --> 01:26:07,120
Speaker 3: You can get on so many cities to watch college games.

1805
01:26:07,360 --> 01:26:08,519
Speaker 3: Oh my god, so many.

1806
01:26:09,520 --> 01:26:11,880
Speaker 2: He really does, he really does, he does. He does.

1807
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: So we'll have John Hollander on the show next week

1808
01:26:13,880 --> 01:26:17,000
Speaker 2: to talk about the NBA Draft, and then we will

1809
01:26:17,000 --> 01:26:20,920
Speaker 2: have a show on Thursday to recap Night one of

1810
01:26:20,960 --> 01:26:25,040
Speaker 2: the NBA Draft. I'll probably do a drop on Friday.

1811
01:26:25,560 --> 01:26:28,120
Speaker 2: I was good not to recap night too. I can't.

1812
01:26:28,120 --> 01:26:30,840
Speaker 2: We're not that much of a sick. But we'll have

1813
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:35,360
Speaker 2: NBA news, I'm sure, and then maybe trades. The content

1814
01:26:35,800 --> 01:26:37,720
Speaker 2: you said it. It's it's a twelve month sport man,

1815
01:26:39,280 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 2: it's eleven months. Yeah, when the Olympics are going, it's definitely.

1816
01:26:47,120 --> 01:26:50,320
Speaker 4: But anyway, wait, is a free agency start on Sunday,

1817
01:26:50,680 --> 01:26:51,280
Speaker 4: next Sunday?

1818
01:26:51,360 --> 01:26:54,040
Speaker 2: Not this Sunday, Next Sunday after the draft? Oh my god?

1819
01:26:54,040 --> 01:27:01,120
Speaker 2: Wait god, okay, so next week the draft and then

1820
01:27:01,800 --> 01:27:06,320
Speaker 2: on Sunday. You're right, what was that June thirtieth start

1821
01:27:06,320 --> 01:27:09,040
Speaker 2: a free agency? Yeah, which we'll probably do a live

1822
01:27:09,040 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 2: show for that too.

1823
01:27:09,800 --> 01:27:15,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, Sunday afternoon show, afternoon and evening show, evening show.

1824
01:27:15,680 --> 01:27:16,439
Speaker 3: What are we doing?

1825
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 2: Well, don't Yeah, here's what we're not doing. Don't ever say, hey,

1826
01:27:19,960 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 2: great season, guys, we'll see in the fall. Don't ever

1827
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:26,120
Speaker 2: tell us that, because you won't. You'll see us soon.

1828
01:27:26,520 --> 01:27:29,280
Speaker 2: And appreciate everybody joining us live on YouTube. Thanks for

1829
01:27:29,360 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 2: hitting the like button, Thanks for subscribing, Thanks for leaving

1830
01:27:32,000 --> 01:27:34,360
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1831
01:27:34,439 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 2: start rating and review. We also have a live show,

1832
01:27:37,560 --> 01:27:39,839
Speaker 2: just to keep reminding you, that is on July twelfth

1833
01:27:39,840 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 2: at Level Up in the MGM Grand You don't need

1834
01:27:42,479 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 2: tickets or anything, just show up four pm and we'll

1835
01:27:46,400 --> 01:27:49,519
Speaker 2: have a blast. There in Vegas on the Friday, but

1836
01:27:49,640 --> 01:27:52,840
Speaker 2: until next week. Clipper bros. You heard it here first.

1837
01:27:53,040 --> 01:27:55,919
Speaker 2: Have a great time, turn up. Love you guys awesome.

1838
01:27:56,280 --> 01:27:58,080
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining us, and remember it was fun saying

1839
01:27:58,200 --> 01:28:01,840
Speaker 3: em on shoe pair. Also just reminded me you just

1840
01:28:01,880 --> 01:28:04,479
Speaker 3: said John Hollinger. One of my favorite John Hollinger songs

1841
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:09,000
Speaker 3: is OO, I know, just like Johnny Holly. Yeah, we'll

1842
01:28:09,000 --> 01:28:09,679
Speaker 3: see him on Tuesday.

1843
01:28:09,880 --> 01:28:10,960
Speaker 2: Prais the weekend, people,