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Speaker 1: I'm a single dad to my son, Oliver ten male.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna get bullied because that's hot. That's what the

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Speaker 1: If I'm honest, I think Oliver it might be gay,

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Speaker 1: Back into the You're going to keep his lashing back

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Speaker 1: the kid for wearing a pink sweater. That's good. That

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Speaker 2: No that's in correct. Wearing the pink sweater is good.

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Speaker 1: Stepped in got the kids to apologize, but it ruined

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Speaker 2: Oh, where's your amazing community people? Oh?

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Speaker 1: No, where don't exist? Yeah, and you suck. But we

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Speaker 1: We got some updates from OPI, but we got some

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Speaker 1: If he's gay, if he's stray, let him be himself

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Speaker 3: It's generally more accepting, But I feel like to Ope's point, like,

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Speaker 3: I feel like, you really know if you're like a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, commenter, do not dull his shine because other people

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Speaker 1: I actually agree with op like, yes, you know, try

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Speaker 3: And yeah, it's like solving that that's a band aid

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Speaker 2: Yeah, building up a self confidence and.

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Speaker 1: Exactly exactly like the building up of the self confidence

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Speaker 1: I think is way more importance. But we got that updates.

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Speaker 1: Coming to my birthday party?

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Speaker 4: Was that the real me? I think I tapped into this.

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Speaker 1: That's it's true. I'm coming to your birthday.

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Speaker 3: I blurted out, I don't like this. I don't like

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Speaker 3: this at all in Dutch, which honestly could have been

442
00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:51,320
Speaker 3: more tactful than this, but I also was too high

443
00:19:51,359 --> 00:19:54,280
Speaker 3: in emotion. My mom then stood while I was sitting

444
00:19:54,320 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 3: down and said angrily that if I did not like it,

445
00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:00,199
Speaker 3: she would leave and stormed off, while I said to

446
00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,320
Speaker 3: her to sit back down so we could talk about it.

447
00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:05,680
Speaker 1: Yes, if okay, but what if the boyfriend isn't going

448
00:20:05,720 --> 00:20:09,440
Speaker 1: to propose and it's in front of the parents.

449
00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:13,240
Speaker 3: Then the mom so so the boyfriend told like, hey, parents,

450
00:20:13,280 --> 00:20:14,879
Speaker 3: be here right because that's what I'm going to do,

451
00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:16,679
Speaker 3: then they would have to figure out some sort of

452
00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:19,680
Speaker 3: plan because the mom would have been like, yo, daughter

453
00:20:19,840 --> 00:20:22,080
Speaker 3: just told me not to be there, you know, so

454
00:20:22,119 --> 00:20:24,160
Speaker 3: that you guys have your own things, So that that

455
00:20:24,240 --> 00:20:26,160
Speaker 3: was not and then she storms off.

456
00:20:26,400 --> 00:20:27,040
Speaker 2: So not good.

457
00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, but maybe it's all a ruse.

458
00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,720
Speaker 3: It it could be a ruse. We have had some good,

459
00:20:32,840 --> 00:20:35,040
Speaker 3: some good endings on this episode today. So she then

460
00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:37,439
Speaker 3: stormed off to the car, while my dad stayed seated

461
00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 3: and also called after her. He then said to me

462
00:20:40,000 --> 00:20:41,840
Speaker 3: that I know how my mom is and that it

463
00:20:41,880 --> 00:20:43,879
Speaker 3: will be okay, but that he is going to follow

464
00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:47,320
Speaker 3: her now, leaving my mom, leaving my boyfriend and me stunned.

465
00:20:47,760 --> 00:20:50,199
Speaker 3: I understand that my mom wanted to surprise me and

466
00:20:50,280 --> 00:20:52,679
Speaker 3: to talk about the vacation together, but she but she

467
00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 3: did not respect my boundaries and went to do this

468
00:20:55,119 --> 00:20:58,920
Speaker 3: without communicating with me or my boyfriend that she wanted

469
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,760
Speaker 3: to come, but I did hurt her feelings by reacting

470
00:21:01,800 --> 00:21:03,960
Speaker 3: this way. She also does not want to talk about

471
00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:07,360
Speaker 3: me at the moment and ignores my calls and messages. Meanwhile,

472
00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,159
Speaker 3: my dad said to give her a few days and

473
00:21:09,160 --> 00:21:11,400
Speaker 3: then I know how my mom behaves and to try.

474
00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 2: To talk it out later.

475
00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 3: So am I, Ah, we have an edit coming up,

476
00:21:15,760 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 3: but uh.

477
00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,280
Speaker 2: I don't like it.

478
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:21,359
Speaker 3: I like it one bet like she literally she just said,

479
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,879
Speaker 3: you know, oh what is this? I don't like this,

480
00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,040
Speaker 3: because they had already had a conversation where she said

481
00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:27,919
Speaker 3: politely like hey, please don't come, like I won't have

482
00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,800
Speaker 3: time together, and she Opie's walks up his table, says

483
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Speaker 3: that and then she storms off and doesn't talk to

484
00:21:33,200 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 3: her for days.

485
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, it just it sounds like Mom is

486
00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: getting she thinks she's the center of the world right now.

487
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:42,120
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah.

488
00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:44,439
Speaker 1: And also it seems a little suffocating.

489
00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:47,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I mean, I guess they had a good

490
00:21:47,640 --> 00:21:48,959
Speaker 3: eight day vacation in Opie.

491
00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:50,879
Speaker 2: I'm sure Opie would have voiced it, but.

492
00:21:50,960 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, oh, like, we have an eight day

493
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:54,840
Speaker 1: vacation where we're spending all this time together and you

494
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,120
Speaker 1: can't give me like one moment away with my boyfriend.

495
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Speaker 3: Yes, it's a very it's a very very not just

496
00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:03,800
Speaker 3: reasonable request, but it's like a reasonable boundary, like like

497
00:22:03,840 --> 00:22:05,639
Speaker 3: Obi said, like, Hey, I just want to have this

498
00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:07,880
Speaker 3: time with my boyfriend. That's going to be a nice

499
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:08,240
Speaker 3: thing for me.

500
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: That I was super reasonable, super reasonable, super reasonable. But

501
00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 1: ladies and gentlemen, John, why.

502
00:22:14,880 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: Does my age keep going? What's happening? What's happening? Jonas

503
00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:19,919
Speaker 2: t one says, my mom thinks she's the main character.

504
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:23,440
Speaker 4: That says John. What says John doesn't.

505
00:22:23,160 --> 00:22:24,200
Speaker 2: Have an h so it doesn't count.

506
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,479
Speaker 1: John is two hundred and one. It seems like accounts

507
00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:26,800
Speaker 1: to me.

508
00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:31,040
Speaker 3: No Jonas to one Jonas one, have you ever met

509
00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,120
Speaker 3: have you ever heard of this little group called.

510
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:33,960
Speaker 2: The Jonas Brothers.

511
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 1: Definitely different.

512
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 2: I don't well, it's kidding, do Is that?

513
00:22:38,240 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 3: The reason that I didn't turn away immediately when seeing

514
00:22:41,080 --> 00:22:43,320
Speaker 3: the car slash spotting the name is because I did

515
00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:45,919
Speaker 3: not think my mom would really intrude and maybe a

516
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,879
Speaker 3: bit naive, but I hoped that we could talk about it.

517
00:22:48,960 --> 00:22:51,199
Speaker 3: As I said, my emotions also got the better of

518
00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:52,480
Speaker 3: me when I saw that she.

519
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:54,680
Speaker 2: Was there, and that's when I blurted out.

520
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 3: I also have anxiety with situations with conflicts and did

521
00:22:57,800 --> 00:23:00,239
Speaker 3: not want to put the waiters in a position they

522
00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:02,240
Speaker 3: had to deal with it the moment that I saw

523
00:23:02,280 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: her name. Plus it all happened pretty fast when you're

524
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:07,320
Speaker 3: in a situation. I also did not just go sit

525
00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: somewhere else because I'm one hundred percent sure my mom

526
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,640
Speaker 3: would have trampled the whole.

527
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Speaker 2: Restaurant to find me. Oh my gosh.

528
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 3: I also did not just leave last moment when we

529
00:23:17,240 --> 00:23:19,919
Speaker 3: spotted the car, because I'm one hundred percent sure that

530
00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:23,399
Speaker 3: she would have been even angrier with me that way. Yeah,

531
00:23:23,119 --> 00:23:27,680
Speaker 3: I'm sensing a behavior of a pattern of behavior where

532
00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:29,960
Speaker 3: it's like, hey, I know that my mom will react

533
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,800
Speaker 3: negatively with me, like leaving me before I even go in.

534
00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:35,480
Speaker 2: Probably because of past experiences. I mean, what else would

535
00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: it be based off of?

536
00:23:36,280 --> 00:23:38,719
Speaker 3: And I also wanted my evening not to be ruined,

537
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:42,119
Speaker 3: and that moment calculated, and at that moment calculated that

538
00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 3: this would be the best option. But man, A'm bad

539
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 3: of math me too, I feel you. I also want

540
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:49,240
Speaker 3: to state that my mom is not a bad person.

541
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,520
Speaker 3: She has her own issues and insecurities that make her

542
00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,920
Speaker 3: act like this. That of course, is not an excuse.

543
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: I mean she's very insecure, I mean very dude face,

544
00:23:58,280 --> 00:23:59,200
Speaker 1: and yeah.

545
00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 2: This is this is pretty pretty.

546
00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:06,560
Speaker 3: Bad bad, but it makes it more understandable, but equally difficult,

547
00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,440
Speaker 3: as I can empathize with her being hurt in the situation,

548
00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 3: and that makes it difficult for me to let it go.

549
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,800
Speaker 3: I am in therapy and making my own progress on

550
00:24:14,800 --> 00:24:15,320
Speaker 3: this topic.

551
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:16,240
Speaker 2: As we speak.

552
00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 3: We do have an update where Opie's mom finally responds

553
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,440
Speaker 3: the radio silence. Oh wow.

554
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: But that response, the mom responds, I wonder if it'll

555
00:24:26,320 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: be a tempered and very mature response.

556
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:33,280
Speaker 3: It's gonna be so so even keel, so sure, so

557
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 3: empathetic to Opie.

558
00:24:35,080 --> 00:24:38,680
Speaker 1: So mature, like two hundred years of maturity. Oh yeah,

559
00:24:38,720 --> 00:24:41,520
Speaker 1: potentually two hundred to one. You know, as mature as

560
00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:41,880
Speaker 1: you are.

561
00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,320
Speaker 2: Listen, when you look at two hundred.

562
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 3: You know you don't need to go to the mahas

563
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,120
Speaker 3: and therapy. You don't need it, you know. But yeah,

564
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,000
Speaker 3: how should OPI now? So that we're we're like, I think,

565
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 3: like four or five days out with literally no communication

566
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:58,640
Speaker 3: from mom, what would be your move to address Mama? Here?

567
00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:04,359
Speaker 1: My move, I think I would not establish contact until

568
00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 1: she establishes contact.

569
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 2: Just wait for her to get.

570
00:25:07,359 --> 00:25:10,080
Speaker 1: Just just wait. I mean maybe just like at the

571
00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 1: at the very least, be like, hey, when you're ready

572
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: to talk, I'm here, little primer. Yeah you don't you know,

573
00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: I don't think you need to make like cause you

574
00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:18,800
Speaker 1: didn't know. You didn't do anything wrong.

575
00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:22,920
Speaker 3: No, really, you said, like Opie very clearly communicated, Hey,

576
00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 3: I would politely, I would like to, you know, have

577
00:25:25,040 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 3: this dinner with Amphne alone, and then she shows.

578
00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:30,639
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah. I think I think op needs to

579
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,000
Speaker 1: maybe just not need to could say a little something,

580
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,320
Speaker 1: but I think just wait.

581
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:37,320
Speaker 3: I think it would be good just to be like, hey,

582
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,960
Speaker 3: I am ready to talk, but you know, when you

583
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:42,359
Speaker 3: I'll be here when you reach out to me and

584
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:44,760
Speaker 3: then leave it because it's just going to be more

585
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,320
Speaker 3: emotionally painful probably every single time she reaches out, and

586
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,080
Speaker 3: or you know, maybe she lashes out. So I totally agree.

587
00:25:52,160 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 3: So let's get into this update. My mom responded to

588
00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 3: my text saying she has no need to talk, then

589
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:02,919
Speaker 3: shut up, then that because I was so unhappy to

590
00:26:02,960 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 3: see them, she does not know how to react to

591
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:08,320
Speaker 3: my previous texts, which states my feelings. In a short

592
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:13,040
Speaker 3: apology for responding with my blurt out, I responded that

593
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,480
Speaker 3: I will not fight this over WhatsApp and that when

594
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:17,720
Speaker 3: she is ready to talk like an adult, she's more

595
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 3: than welcome to and I think that that would be

596
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 3: no problem because we had quite the bonding on the vacation,

597
00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 3: so this will also be no problem. I am just

598
00:26:25,840 --> 00:26:28,199
Speaker 3: waiting now for my mom to make the move and

599
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 3: to let me know when she's.

600
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:30,520
Speaker 2: Ready to talk about it.

601
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,679
Speaker 3: By the way, you can always talk to us, but

602
00:26:32,840 --> 00:26:35,240
Speaker 3: only if you join our live streat to the three BMPSD

603
00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 3: every single week.

604
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,960
Speaker 2: Join can't respond with you.

605
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,880
Speaker 3: I can't take a video that's that's a file that's

606
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:45,720
Speaker 3: done and change it. No it's done. It's over, so

607
00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,680
Speaker 3: join the live. But before we dive into these final

608
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 3: relevant comments. Yeah, it seems like Op's basically taken our

609
00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 3: advice here and is not which is good? Bond which

610
00:26:54,320 --> 00:26:57,439
Speaker 3: is which is good? Yeah, Mom is like something seems

611
00:26:57,520 --> 00:26:58,359
Speaker 3: like very wrong.

612
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I wonder why I want to explanation.

613
00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know.

614
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 3: It's very confusing. But ladies and gentlemen, let's get into

615
00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 3: these relevant comments. Lawyer Dad nineteen anyone says, not the

616
00:27:08,160 --> 00:27:10,760
Speaker 3: a hole. I think the more fun solution, though, would

617
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 3: be to have called a restaurant as soon as you

618
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,800
Speaker 3: notice the car canceled the reservation and gone somewhere else

619
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:20,119
Speaker 3: without saying a peep about it. Not that this justifies it,

620
00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,480
Speaker 3: but OPI kind of mentioned before, like oh if I

621
00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 3: if I like just sat at another table, for instance,

622
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:26,679
Speaker 3: that would make my mom even anger and make her

623
00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 3: storm around. It was actually kind of good, I think,

624
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:31,359
Speaker 3: And I'm curious on your opinion on this that she

625
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: went up and expressed that she didn't like that, you know,

626
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:36,800
Speaker 3: in a way, because then it's like, hey, like it's

627
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 3: kind of the punishment for the crime of I told

628
00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:41,080
Speaker 3: you my boundary. You vitolated that boundary and I came

629
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 3: up and I mean all the opie said was like

630
00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:44,120
Speaker 3: I don't like this. I don't like this at all,

631
00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 3: Like it was said in a more like aggressive quote

632
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:49,480
Speaker 3: unquote manner, but it's like, honestly that message, I feel like, yeah,

633
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:50,720
Speaker 3: I don't like this, Like why are you doing this

634
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 3: right now?

635
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:51,560
Speaker 2: Yeah?

636
00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: I think because Ope made the boundary beforehand. That's why

637
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 1: it's not really not good. If she didn't make the boundary,

638
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:01,920
Speaker 1: then she wouldn't be able to do that.

639
00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, like she could pull her aside and maybe

640
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 3: maybe at that moment established a boundary.

641
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 2: But yeah, because she established a boundary, I think that.

642
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,440
Speaker 1: Op is is in the clear?

643
00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:14,720
Speaker 2: Is in the clear? In the clear? Okay celebration twenty

644
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: four to thirty seven op response. That was my initial

645
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 2: reaction to.

646
00:28:18,400 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 3: But I still had the hopes that it was not true,

647
00:28:21,040 --> 00:28:23,199
Speaker 3: as I just didn't see my mom behaving like this

648
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,359
Speaker 3: because we really connected on our vacation. Yeah, maybe it

649
00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 3: was a case of like, I mean, it's also one

650
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:31,600
Speaker 3: could are you easier to connect, Like the vacation is

651
00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:36,080
Speaker 3: a quote unquote perfect environment. You know, you're like no responsibility, responsibilities,

652
00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 3: you're you're hanging out, you're just having fun doing whatever.

653
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: So but now that like real life has returned and

654
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 3: it's not just the two of you too, Like there's

655
00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 3: other people in the dynamic, like she has to tender

656
00:28:46,360 --> 00:28:48,560
Speaker 3: her boyfriend and yeah there's a dad, and like I

657
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 3: don't know everyone else. So yeah, I think ultimately this

658
00:28:52,280 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 3: en died, I think as best as it could. Like op,

659
00:28:55,160 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: did I think all the right things? She set the boundary,

660
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 3: let her know when she disrupted that, and then told

661
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,800
Speaker 3: her like, hey, I'm ready to talk when you are.

662
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 3: The communication was more maybe aggress a little more aggressive

663
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:07,080
Speaker 3: and petty than it needed to be. But ultimately the

664
00:29:07,080 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 3: core message I think was still communicated in every situation.

665
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,080
Speaker 1: Agreed, which is ultimately, But is there more to that story?

666
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 2: There's literally absolutely nothing left.

667
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:18,480
Speaker 1: That's it. That's it over. We got another one? Or

668
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: is that the last one? We have one more story,

669
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,040
Speaker 1: a whole more story that quickly dunk?

670
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:24,320
Speaker 2: Wait?

671
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: Are you you're gonna go get food?

672
00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 2: I am? But what do you talk to me?

673
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,040
Speaker 1: I want to dunk my head in the ice bath

674
00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:31,760
Speaker 1: because I am so tired.

675
00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, go go for that dunk kick you want me

676
00:29:33,880 --> 00:29:35,920
Speaker 5: to just entertain them. I can talk with the people.

677
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: It'll be like literally less than two minutes.

678
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: I'll talk with the people. We could talk chat what's

679
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 2: going on.

680
00:29:41,920 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 3: Oh, by the way, the reason Dono's first get those

681
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 3: covered is that just that one.

682
00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:48,320
Speaker 2: My mind went a wall.

683
00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:51,520
Speaker 3: Two thousand and six says thanks for the five bucks. Yo,

684
00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 3: I'll be fifty in January. Shout out to the elders,

685
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:54,960
Speaker 3: the elders.

686
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 2: Can we can?

687
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 3: We can that be the faction of our elderty. I

688
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:02,640
Speaker 3: feel like that's like a fun, fun name, Oh, the elders. Yeah,

689
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 3: we can do the elder elders.

690
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're cool with it?

691
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 3: Let me know and chat if you're cool with being

692
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:12,120
Speaker 3: called the elder cool because I think it's a pretty

693
00:30:12,120 --> 00:30:13,040
Speaker 3: cool name.

694
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 4: I bet you do.

695
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 2: Yep, but shout out again. My mind went a wall.

696
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:22,040
Speaker 3: Kimberily Fine says they connected because mom had op isolated,

697
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 3: and she literally set the stage for a positive outcome

698
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 3: that disappeared the moment that the control disappeared. Yeah, the

699
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 3: mom is like, if I don't have it my way,

700
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:31,000
Speaker 3: it's the highway.

701
00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,680
Speaker 2: And that is basically what happened here. Every from the

702
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,080
Speaker 2: Swamp says, I almost stood in the walk walk in

703
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 2: cooler at work today because I was so tired. Yeah,

704
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,360
Speaker 2: we just did get Have you used the icepath yet?

705
00:30:40,440 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 2: Heck no, I have not had the chance yet. I

706
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 2: wanted to this morning, but I was running late.

707
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna ever use it. I don't like cold.

708
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:50,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I like the steamer steamers. See, here's my thing.

709
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,280
Speaker 3: So you get into the cold water. But then your

710
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,719
Speaker 3: body adjusts and it norms it numbs in a warming

711
00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:58,360
Speaker 3: type way.

712
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 4: My body should never not it should not do that.

713
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:04,680
Speaker 2: But one could argue your body shouldn't sweat profusely.

714
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 4: I'd rather sweat profusely than freeze myself.

715
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 3: And you know, everyone has their everyone has their their

716
00:31:10,720 --> 00:31:14,440
Speaker 3: their preference. The cup of tea, Amy thinks for a

717
00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 3: five buck tip. When you do make it to forty,

718
00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: you won't care anymore. People in their twenties have more

719
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,720
Speaker 3: of a complex about age than people in their forties.

720
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 4: John doesn't care.

721
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 2: I think so.

722
00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 3: But also but then also at the same time, I

723
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 3: hear people like in their forties being like, ah, like

724
00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 3: I'm now.

725
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm really old, and you're you're I don't know.

726
00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,000
Speaker 3: I still see it for sure, But I also think

727
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 3: that generally, yes, like that like as people age, like,

728
00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 3: there's there's much less, it's much less of a of

729
00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:44,520
Speaker 3: a thing, maybe until you're like freaking you know, like

730
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 3: a real dinosaur, gotcha a real real like it's close

731
00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,680
Speaker 3: to death's door basically, you know, how old do you

732
00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:52,080
Speaker 3: want to live?

733
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: To Riley talk to me?

734
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: I don't know, probably like eighty seven.

735
00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:57,000
Speaker 2: Eighty seven. It's a very specific number.

736
00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:58,280
Speaker 4: What about you?

737
00:31:58,360 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think same. It could be cool.

738
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 4: It's a very specific number.

739
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,400
Speaker 3: Didn't say his specific number. I think it could be

740
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 3: cool to possibly do like a cool like one fifty.

741
00:32:07,720 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 4: I would there's no way, you know, I.

742
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 3: Think I might the thing that Sam's doing, the gene therapy,

743
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 3: I think I would do that in like twenty or

744
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: thirty years. Maybe after like twenty or thirty years of

745
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 3: like I want to I want to see some people

746
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 3: who are like seventy now like make it to like

747
00:32:22,880 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 3: what would that be? One hundred, one hundred and ten,

748
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 3: and then people who are like, you know, twenty thirty

749
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 3: forty now how that like affects them later?

750
00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 5: But I'd definitely be open to it. Nope, not at all. Yeah,

751
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 5: I don't want to see be on the serve after

752
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: one hundred. My time has expired.

753
00:32:37,360 --> 00:32:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're like one hundred, one hundred is done.

754
00:32:39,120 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 4: I don't even know what this place is going to

755
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:41,240
Speaker 4: be like by.

756
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: Then, exactly. Oh, you know.

757
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 4: The AI and people and relationships. People are gonna get

758
00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:49,640
Speaker 4: married robots.

759
00:32:49,760 --> 00:32:51,960
Speaker 2: That's true, that's true, it's coming. Are you ready for it?

760
00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 4: No? What are you?

761
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:53,600
Speaker 2: What are you voting for?

762
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 4: I don't want to talk my kid out of like

763
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: marrying a robot.

764
00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:57,320
Speaker 2: Dude.

765
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it's like, yo, my my kid fell in

766
00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: love with the with the Tesla.

767
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: Tesla was talking to him.

768
00:33:03,800 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 3: It's just it's just her. It's just her, like it's

769
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 3: the movie her type situation. Oh man, yeah, oh my gosh.

770
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 3: Miss Jaybird said, my dad is seventy and I watched

771
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:14,520
Speaker 3: him jump and climb a fence to talk to a neighbor. Dude,

772
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:17,680
Speaker 3: shout out to your freaking dad. W dad, that's that's

773
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,680
Speaker 3: big w dad vibes. But I feel like low ki

774
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,160
Speaker 3: like sixties right now. I feel like people are in

775
00:33:23,240 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 3: a are youthful. I mean, anyone can get them in

776
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 3: themselves in a good useful state. But I feel like

777
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: sixties right now is like pretty look pretty young. You

778
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:33,040
Speaker 3: have the technology how is how is that good?

779
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: Nice? What did you? Did you do the full thirty seconds?

780
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 2: It was quick?

781
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: Two thirty seconds? Nice? Wow?

782
00:33:41,800 --> 00:33:42,400
Speaker 2: Nicely done?

783
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: Dude?

784
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:45,440
Speaker 3: All right now that Sam is crazy as like a

785
00:33:45,520 --> 00:33:48,160
Speaker 3: rabbit animal. I'm gonna leave you guys for a second.

786
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: D better than coffee, honestly, Yeah, just dunk in your

787
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: head in the ice bath.

788
00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: I'll do the same.

789
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 1: Is that like forty three right now? It was at

790
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: forty this morning? Wow?

791
00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 3: That's but me, I think fifty that's close to I

792
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,600
Speaker 3: think right now as of as I currently stand and breathe,

793
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 3: fifty for me is probably like the perfect temperature.

794
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 2: But I could, I'm sure I could. I can get it.

795
00:34:09,280 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 1: You could get with the three do you jump in?

796
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: I'm going I'm going to at least like no.

797
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 1: No, full body, full body three audits? Yeah, yeah, does me?

798
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: Burkwast thanks for the twenty seven sek am I the

799
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: a hole for not letting my son Mary and Tosla.

800
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: We were talking about living to one hundred and fifty

801
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:24,399
Speaker 3: via gene therapy and then.

802
00:34:24,360 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: Oh did you tell them that about the Bahamas thing?

803
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 3: Ah?

804
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,400
Speaker 2: I was, I was alluding to it. But maybe you

805
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 2: can tell the old people.

806
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:30,399
Speaker 4: So you know John.

807
00:34:30,719 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 1: One of my friends is uh Is. He's been I've

808
00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:37,839
Speaker 1: known him for like five years. I interviewed him on

809
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 1: my other podcast called Binding Founders's the og one and

810
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: basically he's trying to make people immortal and he's doing

811
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 1: an experimental gene therapy injecting people and doing human trials

812
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:52,280
Speaker 1: off the coast of Honduras in this place called prosper

813
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,720
Speaker 1: And I am going to He always opening up another

814
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,600
Speaker 1: clinic and the Bahamas, so I'm going to go and

815
00:34:59,640 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: maybe injected over there. Wow, And apparently it's just like

816
00:35:03,000 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: it slows your rate of aging by a lot. Jelly

817
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,200
Speaker 1: Bess says, Okay, I see I have seen that interview, Yeah,

818
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: you have? Have you seen that one? No way is

819
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: Sophia coming up?

820
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,719
Speaker 4: I don't know. Do I need to ask her?

821
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean maybe?

822
00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, why not?

823
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:23,160
Speaker 1: There's a little triny Weeb says, there's an anime called

824
00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:25,480
Speaker 1: My Wife has No Emotion about a man who married

825
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,879
Speaker 1: a cooking robot. That's interesting. What are they injecting. It's

826
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: called a full of stat in gene therapy. Basically, it's

827
00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:36,759
Speaker 1: like Radi says, Sam is really bothered by that balding thing.

828
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 1: My mom doesn't believe it because none of my one

829
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:43,040
Speaker 1: of my uncles or aunts or grandparents have gone bald.

830
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's a full of stat in gene therapy.

831
00:35:45,280 --> 00:35:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean I think it's higher cholesterol potentially, but not

832
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:53,399
Speaker 1: really by much. Sounds good. Sophia is coming shortly. Oh

833
00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: there she has come. Sit down, Sophia, come over here.

834
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: Come well, I think you're you're sitting down. You're sitting

835
00:35:59,000 --> 00:36:00,759
Speaker 1: down on here? No, why not?

836
00:36:00,920 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 4: Because Riley's not here?

837
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:04,560
Speaker 1: Well, O'Riley will be here shortly. I guess you could

838
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 1: stay there until Riley's here. Okay, So wait, Sophia on

839
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,759
Speaker 1: the on the text, am I how am I doing?

840
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,400
Speaker 1: Give me? Give me an indicator?

841
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 3: I don't know.

842
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 4: It just depends on whether or not she takes back.

843
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see, we'll see.

844
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:19,720
Speaker 4: You got this.

845
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:25,759
Speaker 1: What I'm sure I read this? Next one?

846
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 4: Yes?

847
00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 1: Okay, all right, let's get into this last story of

848
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: the episode. So John is two hundred and one. The

849
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,240
Speaker 1: side effects are there's there's not really any major side effects,

850
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: but but it also like what it like increases muscle mass?

851
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:43,720
Speaker 4: What what are the side effects to what.

852
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 1: The full stat in gene therapy? The Lakes Pilly. Do

853
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,800
Speaker 1: you think if they're messing with DNA that want to

854
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: fix cancer, not like make people immortal like you, Let

855
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: me be a model and have cancer until I'm one

856
00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty. Come over here the way. Do you

857
00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,320
Speaker 1: have stuff to do? Okay? Yeah, I guess Riley and

858
00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:00,880
Speaker 1: I will knock it out. Yeah yeh no, No, go

859
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:02,800
Speaker 1: to your thing. You're you're crushing it. You're crushing it.

860
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,280
Speaker 4: Just kiss it the microphone.

861
00:37:04,320 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 1: I did kiss the microphone. B D S M. What Yes,

862
00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:13,439
Speaker 1: all the right news and all the right places. All right, ready, yes,

863
00:37:14,200 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: all right?

864
00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 4: Are you ready