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Speaker 1: Hmmm, Jack, Day two just heard good Day one. We

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Speaker 1: Another legend. Yeah, man, I grew up watching these dudes.

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Speaker 1: of those historical careers and our guest today got to

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Speaker 1: the show Byron Scott.

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Speaker 2: We we appreciate you, appreciate you, appreciate you all.

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Speaker 1: So b you were Stacks coach his rookie season, and

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna start with you, Jack, what was the disconnection

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Speaker 3: Well, for me, you know, first, if I said anything

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Speaker 3: But at the time, I was hurt because I just

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Speaker 3: and when I came back from All Star, I just

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Speaker 2: Then I make the Rookie All Star Game when I

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Speaker 3: Now I come back and I'm just not playing from starting,

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm young, so for for for a long time.

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Speaker 3: I held so I hed some hate for you because

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Speaker 3: I started my like that game, you know, and you

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Speaker 3: I came back, I never understood why and I never

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Speaker 2: And kind of like what you just said.

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Speaker 4: You know, Jack, uh, anything I did back in those days,

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Speaker 4: I apologized as well, because I've grown up and I

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Speaker 4: And Jack this how this whole thing started from the

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Speaker 2: We had. We had open runs my.

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Speaker 1: First year's coaching Jersey, right, how old are you at

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I still player. I still got player of mentality,

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Speaker 4: after two days, I said, Eah, who the hell is that?

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Speaker 4: I've never seen it. He wasn't supposed to be at

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, where the hell they come from? He said, oh, well,

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Speaker 4: I think Phoenix or somebody overseas, and so I said,

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Speaker 4: I said, man, we got to bring him to the camp.

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Speaker 4: He was like, you're serious. I said, hell yeah, bring

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Speaker 3: My first evident invite from picking an invite from pickup

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Speaker 4: Now we had a bunch of injuries too. We had

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Speaker 4: And you know what, as a young coach, what I

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Speaker 4: Jackets took you to the side after the All start

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Speaker 4: I got this cause I gotta make changes. I gotta

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Speaker 1: And who's because are making money too and they making

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Speaker 4: Kendall Gill came in. It was Keny your first year,

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Speaker 4: six years old as a head.

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Speaker 1: That was your first year.

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Speaker 4: That was so I looked back on it and I said, man,

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Speaker 4: So you just keep doing your things, keep practicing, keep

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Speaker 4: And if I would explain that to him, I shut down,

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Speaker 2: And I still hold that appreciation.

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Speaker 3: Nothing has changed with you giving me the opportunity when

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Speaker 2: So I will forever appreciate you for that.

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Speaker 3: But let me say this, even though it was a

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Speaker 2: For two years, I was learning how to be a professional.

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Speaker 3: I was around Steve Smith, I was going to church

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Speaker 2: That's all I was focused on.

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Speaker 2: It was ugly. Man.

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Speaker 4: We had Jack, you know, we had no answer for Shaq. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 4: Because they were like, yes, we're about to get the

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Speaker 4: And us as basketball players, we would never want to

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Speaker 1: And I think you hit it on the head too,

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Speaker 2: You know, you disrespect me, dog, We're gonna fight.

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Speaker 4: we you better go over you better go over there

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Speaker 3: It's a guy over there that's ready to listen, that's

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Speaker 3: That's what we had them. They don't feel now. They

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Speaker 2: They don't. Everybody getting a hundred million while looking think too.

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Speaker 4: And we had a two game loser, streaking rounds, so

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Speaker 4: You will never get this spot back, right, And That's

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Speaker 4: teams that played back in those eras, they can't stand

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00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:34,320
Speaker 4: each other, you know what I'm saying. I mean, as

438
00:18:34,400 --> 00:18:36,879
Speaker 4: great as Chicago was, you got Scottie and you know,

439
00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,240
Speaker 4: kind of I can't say Michael because Michael ain't said

440
00:18:39,320 --> 00:18:39,800
Speaker 4: really nothing.

441
00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:42,600
Speaker 2: Scotty been tripping, bro Scotty, Scott went off.

442
00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,040
Speaker 1: You know a couple of times.

443
00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,040
Speaker 2: I was even like Scotty had been on there smoking

444
00:18:46,080 --> 00:18:50,320
Speaker 2: for cho Yeah, what the hell I think he deal?

445
00:18:50,400 --> 00:18:54,639
Speaker 4: But it ain't smoking at But but you look at

446
00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:57,480
Speaker 4: you look at our team in those in those in

447
00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,560
Speaker 4: the nineties and eighties, you know we still tighten. You know,

448
00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:05,440
Speaker 4: we had a Showtime reunion, and Magic wanted everybody that

449
00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:07,800
Speaker 4: won a championship with him in the eighties to be there,

450
00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,560
Speaker 4: and that's almost forty people, right, forty players. I think

451
00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:14,720
Speaker 4: thirty six showed up, wow, you know, and the fort

452
00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,160
Speaker 4: it didn't. It was, you know, just reasons they couldn't come,

453
00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,000
Speaker 4: you know. So it shows how close we still are

454
00:19:22,080 --> 00:19:24,119
Speaker 4: as a group, you know, and the majority of us

455
00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:26,200
Speaker 4: still live here in La so we still get together

456
00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:28,439
Speaker 4: and things of that nature. I just spent your New

457
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:30,600
Speaker 4: Year's Eve and brought in the New Year's with Coop,

458
00:19:30,800 --> 00:19:32,879
Speaker 4: you know, him and Von and my wife, and we

459
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,879
Speaker 4: had a great time. But it's nothing like having that

460
00:19:36,000 --> 00:19:38,359
Speaker 4: type of fellowship and that brothership that we had. You know,

461
00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,760
Speaker 4: we went the Wars together. Man, We won championships, we

462
00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 4: lost championships. You know, we have a history together that

463
00:19:45,320 --> 00:19:47,760
Speaker 4: you can't replace, you know. So I think we all

464
00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:50,840
Speaker 4: still enjoy getting together and talk about the good old

465
00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:53,399
Speaker 4: days and how fun it was, and then sometimes we

466
00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,840
Speaker 4: talk about this era now we're like, man, these dudes,

467
00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,879
Speaker 4: it's a trip, you know. But it's just great to

468
00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:02,399
Speaker 4: have that type of friendship with the guys that I

469
00:20:02,520 --> 00:20:02,879
Speaker 4: played with.

470
00:20:03,960 --> 00:20:06,600
Speaker 3: Is it a team that has more Hall of Famers

471
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 3: on it than that Showtime team. Besides, okay, that sounds yeah.

472
00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,840
Speaker 4: Well my my my rookie year, I played with six

473
00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:19,920
Speaker 4: six Hall of Famers. I played with six on one team,

474
00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:23,000
Speaker 4: on one team, and that ain't counting roles.

475
00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 2: You know.

476
00:20:24,440 --> 00:20:27,240
Speaker 4: That's not counting the coach. And that's not counting Jerry West.

477
00:20:28,000 --> 00:20:30,359
Speaker 4: That's not counting Bill. You know what I'm saying. I

478
00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:37,160
Speaker 4: played with Kareem Magic, James Coop, uh Silk, Bob McAdoo.

479
00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:43,520
Speaker 4: Mmm on my team my rookie year. It was Hall

480
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,360
Speaker 4: of Famers. So I don't know if there's another team

481
00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 4: that has that. Man, what heat, brutal we're going after

482
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:54,040
Speaker 4: each other man. I mean, that's that's a great thing

483
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 4: about practice because Cooper guard Magic, and Cooper picked him

484
00:20:56,800 --> 00:20:59,639
Speaker 4: up ninety four and talk shit the whole game, you know,

485
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:02,960
Speaker 4: and if if we lost, because it was Gold against Blues,

486
00:21:03,000 --> 00:21:04,680
Speaker 4: so Coop was the Blue, that was the second unit,

487
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 4: and you so if Coop's unit would beat us, you know,

488
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,399
Speaker 4: and Rouse said, all right, practice over match, Oh hell no,

489
00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:11,200
Speaker 4: we gotta go again.

490
00:21:11,840 --> 00:21:13,200
Speaker 2: So we go again. We beat them.

491
00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,600
Speaker 4: Now one one rose would leave, we play another one.

492
00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:22,679
Speaker 4: We can't go one and one somebody. So our practices

493
00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 4: were so damn hard. The games was easy. Games was easy.

494
00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:30,240
Speaker 1: What do you miss as a player? Obviously playing is

495
00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:32,960
Speaker 1: one thing, and I think a piece of everybody misses that.

496
00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,600
Speaker 1: But I always say, like the locker room, the bus rides,

497
00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:40,040
Speaker 1: the planes just to kick it in, and talking ship

498
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,600
Speaker 1: and you guys had, like you said, you had Magic,

499
00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,880
Speaker 1: who was a character, and then you had Cap who

500
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:47,199
Speaker 1: was kind of reserved, and then you had you had

501
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:49,880
Speaker 1: such a mixture of personalities. What were some of those

502
00:21:50,119 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 1: funner times for you guys, like off the court.

503
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I was like the class clowns, you know, I.

504
00:21:56,280 --> 00:21:58,439
Speaker 4: Was the one that was imitating people and doing all

505
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,520
Speaker 4: kinds of other crazy ship. It was great, man. I

506
00:22:01,600 --> 00:22:03,840
Speaker 4: mean we we we hung out together, we went to

507
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,119
Speaker 4: movies together. Robs would do these parties for just the

508
00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,680
Speaker 4: team and the and the wives and everything. So I

509
00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:12,960
Speaker 4: missed that more THANINNY. I mean, we all missed the

510
00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 4: competition playing playing against some of the best players in

511
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,880
Speaker 4: the world. We missed that competition, but I really missed

512
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:22,600
Speaker 4: the camaraderie that we had. You know, like you said,

513
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:25,800
Speaker 4: the locker rooms, the bus rides, me, Magic and Coop

514
00:22:25,800 --> 00:22:28,120
Speaker 4: always going to the movies on the road, every everywhere

515
00:22:28,160 --> 00:22:31,400
Speaker 4: we went. Uh, the family gatherings that pat Riley would

516
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 4: make it. He made it a family atmosphere, you know,

517
00:22:33,800 --> 00:22:36,520
Speaker 4: so that all that stuff matters. That that's what I

518
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 4: missed more than any.

519
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 2: Morning side high your min from the forum.

520
00:22:41,320 --> 00:22:44,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, uh talk about your your young life in high

521
00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:45,680
Speaker 3: school life growing up in Inglewood.

522
00:22:47,560 --> 00:22:49,879
Speaker 4: Were growing up in Inglewood. If y'all y'all know Inglewood

523
00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:53,760
Speaker 4: a little bit, Inglewood wasn't no joke still still ain't.

524
00:22:56,440 --> 00:22:58,720
Speaker 2: You know? Inglewood wasn't no joke. So, I mean we

525
00:22:58,840 --> 00:22:59,679
Speaker 2: had to go to school.

526
00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:02,520
Speaker 4: We were walked to school seven eight deep because we

527
00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:04,560
Speaker 4: had to deal with the crips and blood, you know

528
00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,520
Speaker 4: what I'm saying, And if they caught you by yourself

529
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 4: or with you know, one another, you know, one of

530
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,840
Speaker 4: the guys something like that, you know, So we we

531
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:12,719
Speaker 4: rolled down, we would pick each other up. And then

532
00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 4: as we walked down the hill the morning side, you know,

533
00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:17,680
Speaker 4: we'd beat seven eight deep. So most of the time

534
00:23:17,800 --> 00:23:20,000
Speaker 4: we didn't even get approached by the gang members, you know.

535
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,120
Speaker 2: Uh. The thing that was a trip though.

536
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,359
Speaker 4: Once I got to my junior senior year, morning started

537
00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:27,000
Speaker 4: high school and we would be walking around. We got

538
00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 4: surrounded one day by some crips because one of my

539
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,199
Speaker 4: boys yelled blood out, you know, just asshole, and they

540
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 4: turned around and they jumped out the car. Its like

541
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:37,680
Speaker 4: eight of them, six of us, and they you know,

542
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,119
Speaker 4: they just kind of got in a little circle, and

543
00:23:39,200 --> 00:23:41,159
Speaker 4: we was like we you know, we're gonna throw down

544
00:23:41,200 --> 00:23:41,879
Speaker 4: and see what happens.

545
00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:43,000
Speaker 2: You know what we didn't.

546
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,440
Speaker 4: We didn't worry about getting shot, you know, and where

547
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 4: you got, you got yours one another. But one of

548
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: the guys said, you know that's the kid to play basketball.

549
00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,640
Speaker 4: Morning started high school. He recognized you. Yeah, and he's like, yeah, man,

550
00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 4: world up, you keep doing your thing. They balanced, no, no,

551
00:24:00,320 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 4: so so they did back in those days. If you

552
00:24:02,800 --> 00:24:06,160
Speaker 4: was an athlete, they was like, man, he could let him,

553
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:06,840
Speaker 4: you know, let him go.

554
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:07,240
Speaker 2: You know.

555
00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 4: But growing up in Inglewood, you know, it was it

556
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:12,200
Speaker 4: was that type of atmosphere that you had to deal with.

557
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: You know.

558
00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 4: So most of my boys, we all played sports, and

559
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,360
Speaker 4: we all thought, you know, this is our only way

560
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:20,080
Speaker 4: out of here. You know, it's basically getting the basketball, football,

561
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 4: baseball scholarship. Uh, you know, but we rolled deep just

562
00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:26,080
Speaker 4: to try to protect each other. But we were all

563
00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:28,520
Speaker 4: into the sports, so that's all he was into. So

564
00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,520
Speaker 4: I loved growing up in Inglewood because of the fact

565
00:24:31,560 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 4: that I had all my boys there as well.

566
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:36,719
Speaker 2: Who any other legendary athletes are so call athletes grow

567
00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:37,000
Speaker 2: up with.

568
00:24:37,040 --> 00:24:45,479
Speaker 4: You, Elden Campbell, Lisa Leslie. You know Jay Humphrey. Jay

569
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,199
Speaker 4: Humphrey was I was on sixth Avenue and on one

570
00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 4: hundred and fourth. He was on eighth Avenue. You know,

571
00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:52,639
Speaker 4: So we had some guys in the hood that you know,

572
00:24:52,720 --> 00:24:55,200
Speaker 4: they could ball, and yeah, you know, we all tried

573
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 4: to look out for each other.

574
00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,359
Speaker 3: You was eighteen years old in the Lakers draft and

575
00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,399
Speaker 3: Magic was the lake of people. What was what was

576
00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,160
Speaker 3: it like back then when they first drafted Magic?

577
00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:05,040
Speaker 2: Oh, it was crazy.

578
00:25:05,320 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 4: It was soon as soon as he got drafted, you know,

579
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,160
Speaker 4: the expectations in LA went went high, you know, because

580
00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 4: I think we were just a good team in LA

581
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 4: after that time, because Jerry West and all those guys

582
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:21,120
Speaker 4: that kind of left Will Chamberlain. You know, they won

583
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,240
Speaker 4: that one that one year in sixty nine or seventy

584
00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 4: two or something like that when they had the three

585
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 4: thirty three game winning streak and they just had a

586
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,719
Speaker 4: great team. But when Magic came back. It just when

587
00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 4: Magic got drafted, the excitement in LA became real again.

588
00:25:34,600 --> 00:25:37,120
Speaker 4: And like you said, Jack, I was at Arizona State.

589
00:25:37,840 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 4: You're watching them, you know, play at Michigan State against

590
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 4: Indiana State, which is still one of the most viewed

591
00:25:44,400 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 4: college games ever. Magic Johnson, Larry Bird right, And I

592
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 4: watched this guy and I was like, there's no way

593
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 4: in hell this guy is a point guard at six ' nine.

594
00:25:54,520 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: But I got to watch him and I was like,

595
00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: oh my god.

596
00:25:58,240 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: Nine.

597
00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:58,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

598
00:25:58,600 --> 00:26:00,720
Speaker 4: I was like, I've never seen seen nothing like that,

599
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 4: because back in our day six nine, you playing four,

600
00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,919
Speaker 4: you ain't bringing the ball up, You're playing down low somewhere, right.

601
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:10,800
Speaker 4: So he brought all the excitement back to LA. And

602
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:15,440
Speaker 4: then obviously his rookie year, the smile, the charisma and everything,

603
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 4: the people.

604
00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,280
Speaker 2: Just fell in love with him.

605
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking to ask you, you got your jersey retired,

606
00:26:21,040 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 3: number eleven retired and after thirty seven years, went back

607
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: and got your degree.

608
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, how they feel that was one of my biggest accomplishments,

609
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 4: you know, because I had promised my mom I would

610
00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 4: do that, you know, and I forgot all about it.

611
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 4: To be honest with you, I thought, you know, I

612
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 4: don't want championships that made a little money.

613
00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: You know.

614
00:26:39,960 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 4: My mom on her deathbed reminded me, Wow, She's like,

615
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:45,879
Speaker 4: you promised me you were gonna go back and get

616
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 4: your degree, and so.

617
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: I had to go ahead. I had to go do

618
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 2: it online. And did you actually go back to camp

619
00:26:51,040 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 2: to go online?

620
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 4: Because at that time, the you know, the pandemic had struck.

621
00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:57,080
Speaker 4: So I said, well, this is the perfect time to

622
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:57,320
Speaker 4: do it.

623
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: Yeah.

624
00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:01,560
Speaker 4: So I went back online classes that were zoom classes

625
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 4: that I had to take and everything, which was a

626
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: trip because the teachers would be.

627
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: Like, I'll be on the zoom class Jack. Teachers like

628
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 2: so you are you you Byron Scott? Yeah. I was

629
00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 2: like yes, yes, ma'am. Okay.

630
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 4: My husband would go crazy right now, but we got

631
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 4: a class to do, so we gonna do this class.

632
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 4: But yeah, I had promised my mom I was gonna

633
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,479
Speaker 4: do it. So thirty seven years later, went back got

634
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 4: my diploma. One of my proudest moments. Hopefully one day

635
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:28,960
Speaker 4: I get there.

636
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:30,920
Speaker 2: You could do it.

637
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:35,119
Speaker 1: You gotta start with high school and then college.

638
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 2: What she means, you know, I got my host, you

639
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,760
Speaker 2: got the ge. I don't know about the d I

640
00:27:40,840 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 2: got it real, I gotta you can do it, bro,

641
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:43,840
Speaker 2: you could do it, man.

642
00:27:44,160 --> 00:27:46,280
Speaker 1: I got a question, though, BB. Was it packed ten

643
00:27:46,400 --> 00:27:46,760
Speaker 1: back then?

644
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

645
00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,000
Speaker 4: It was pack eight PA when I when I signed

646
00:27:51,040 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 4: to come there Arizona State. They had just moved there

647
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,800
Speaker 4: a year or two prior to that, so it came

648
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:57,400
Speaker 4: to pack ten.

649
00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,080
Speaker 1: So but you're the baby face pretty boy back and

650
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,120
Speaker 1: I know Arizona State was cracking. And then we're also

651
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: getting obviously to the Laker lifestyle. But what was a

652
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,200
Speaker 1: su like back then? Because I remember U c l A.

653
00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: We went and I don't mean my disrespect, but we

654
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,200
Speaker 1: went in. The dude named Curtis Millich saw the little

655
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:14,960
Speaker 1: player but just looked like a gremlin. He had like

656
00:28:15,160 --> 00:28:18,040
Speaker 1: three bad ones. After the game, I'm like, damn, this

657
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: is what Arizona State is like? Like what was the

658
00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,200
Speaker 1: what was off the court life like? Back of Arizona State?

659
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,399
Speaker 2: It was fun. Let's just let's just keep it in

660
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 2: a good time, right, real good?

661
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 4: Yeah?

662
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,600
Speaker 1: I heard Arizona State was fun.

663
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,320
Speaker 2: Man. It was like seven seven girls every guy.

664
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, man, yeah, I got my seven plus somebody else's

665
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 4: a couple of other people.

666
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's just leave it a Yeah.

667
00:28:46,120 --> 00:28:48,120
Speaker 1: I just needed you to stand at as all I needed.

668
00:28:48,320 --> 00:28:51,680
Speaker 1: I had a good three years out there, nineteen eighty three,

669
00:28:51,880 --> 00:28:55,680
Speaker 1: fourth overall pick. But you're going down south a little

670
00:28:55,680 --> 00:29:00,160
Speaker 1: bit more to the to the San Diego Clippers. Your

671
00:29:00,200 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: thoughts with that before you find out you're traded to

672
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: the Lakers.

673
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: Initial thoughts was, I was happy, Number one, I'm in

674
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 4: the indo that first off, you know what I'm saying.

675
00:29:06,920 --> 00:29:08,520
Speaker 4: I was like, I just wanted to get to the NBA.

676
00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 4: That's that's the is I told players later on easy

677
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 4: party is getting drafted. The hardest part is staying in

678
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,600
Speaker 4: that league for ten, twelve, fifteen years, you know what

679
00:29:16,640 --> 00:29:19,680
Speaker 4: I'm saying. So being drafted by the Clippers, I was like, well,

680
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 4: you know, good thing is it's not too far from home.

681
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 4: You know, my mom and dad, my family didn't come

682
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,000
Speaker 4: down the same nigga and watch it me play. So

683
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:29,360
Speaker 4: my initial reaction was like, this is cool.

684
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 2: I'm good.

685
00:29:29,920 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: Okay. Had you been prior high school days or even

686
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: college days, been to the form to watch the game, Yeah, okay,

687
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: So what's the first time like as a Laker now

688
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:40,560
Speaker 1: stepping on that floor?

689
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:41,640
Speaker 2: Oh, it was.

690
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,280
Speaker 4: It was surreal because again, those were the situations I

691
00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:48,800
Speaker 4: dreamed about, you know, playing in the forum. But I

692
00:29:48,880 --> 00:29:52,040
Speaker 4: didn't know my first year. I thought four or five years.

693
00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:53,880
Speaker 4: My whole plan, to be honest with you, it was like,

694
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 4: I'm gonna get drafted by somebody else because the Lakers

695
00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:58,240
Speaker 4: can't drafted. They you know, they winning, so they're gonna

696
00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: be way down there at the twenty something your level.

697
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:04,560
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna be drafted in that team somewhere in there,

698
00:30:05,320 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 4: and I'm gonna play for this team, and then four

699
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:08,400
Speaker 4: years later, I'm gonna be with the Lakers.

700
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 2: That was your plan.

701
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 4: That was my plans, right, I'm gonnaigning with the Lakers

702
00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,760
Speaker 4: as a free agent, you know. So to get traded

703
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,480
Speaker 4: to the Lakers my rookie year and be able to

704
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,240
Speaker 4: put the uniform on and go out on the court,

705
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: I was like this, this is unbelievable, you know.

706
00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 2: So it was a dream come true.

707
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,120
Speaker 1: You go to the finals four times in your first

708
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: five seasons, Yeah, that's insane. Three and one record eighty four,

709
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: lose to Boston in seven, eighty five, beat Boston in

710
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: six eighty seven, beat Boston in six and then eighty

711
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 1: eight beat Pistons in seven. Some people never make it

712
00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: your first five years. You're in there four times, like

713
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:50,720
Speaker 1: what are you pinching yourself? Are you just going out

714
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: there and hooping every night? And just like we got

715
00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:54,120
Speaker 1: to continue to stack these titles.

716
00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:55,800
Speaker 4: I think it was a little bit of both, you know,

717
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,360
Speaker 4: Bob McAdoo, my rookie year, we lost, like you said,

718
00:30:59,400 --> 00:31:02,040
Speaker 4: to Boston, you know the game that they closed line,

719
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:05,480
Speaker 4: you know, Kurt Rampis, Kevin McHale took him out, changed

720
00:31:05,520 --> 00:31:07,680
Speaker 4: a whole complex. But no, not to cut you off.

721
00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 4: No one got even kicked out that right, No, it

722
00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 4: was just upo. You know, bench is cleared. Everybody go

723
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 4: back to the bench.

724
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,200
Speaker 2: You know. Rambow went after him, you know, and that's

725
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:20,000
Speaker 2: who pushed him.

726
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:21,880
Speaker 1: James pushed him.

727
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:23,360
Speaker 2: James and said, I don't know what the hell I

728
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:24,719
Speaker 2: was thinking. I just pushed him.

729
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 4: I shouldn't let him go, which he should have, you know,

730
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 4: and then you know, the game you know, starts back.

731
00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 4: But we forgot about the game. We we all of

732
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 4: a sudden started thinking about getting his ass back.

733
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 2: Mental you know, we want to get them back for.

734
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,680
Speaker 4: That physical you know, for the physical cality that they

735
00:31:38,760 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 4: played at that game at that time, the way he

736
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 4: took him out, we thought that was just a cheap shot.

737
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 4: So we really forgot about playing the game of basketball.

738
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 4: That's why I feel we lost that series. The next

739
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 4: year we came back and we was like, we're gonna

740
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:52,920
Speaker 4: play any style they want to play. If they want

741
00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 4: to play physical, we're gonna play that prepared. We were

742
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,080
Speaker 4: really prepared, you know, and so much that you know,

743
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,360
Speaker 4: at the end of that even middle of that series,

744
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 4: they were talking about how physical we were, and they

745
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 4: complaining that we're doing you know, we're having cheap shots

746
00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,120
Speaker 4: and all this shit right here. So it was, it

747
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:11,640
Speaker 4: was it was a changing of the guards in that sense.

748
00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 4: But the second that second year, my second year, we

749
00:32:16,520 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 4: win the championship in eighty five, and Bob McAdoo summed

750
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 4: it up perfect. In the locker room we're celebrating, he said,

751
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:23,680
Speaker 4: you a lucky motherfucker.

752
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:27,680
Speaker 2: You are lucky. I said, why you say that, dude?

753
00:32:28,040 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: You know how many years it took me to get

754
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 2: a champion, you.

755
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,440
Speaker 4: Know, because McAdoo was the leading scoring in the league

756
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: and everything, he was putting up numbers. You know how

757
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:38,720
Speaker 4: many years it took me to get a championship. Yo,

758
00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 4: ass get one in your second year and you've been

759
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,560
Speaker 4: to the finals too straight. And it hit me right

760
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 4: then that he's right, Hell yeah, I'm lucky because my

761
00:32:47,880 --> 00:32:51,440
Speaker 4: first two years, I'm in the finals. My next four years,

762
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: I'm in the finals three more times. And I realized

763
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 4: that that just doesn't happen to anybody. You know, you

764
00:32:58,640 --> 00:33:01,320
Speaker 4: got to be blessed and put in the situation they

765
00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:02,200
Speaker 4: even get there.

766
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,440
Speaker 2: And I was. I was there four out of five years,

767
00:33:05,680 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 2: you know, I was. I was like, like mcadu said,

768
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 2: I was blessed.

769
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:09,880
Speaker 1: I was.

770
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 2: I didn't take it for granted.

771
00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: Believe Larry Bird legendary player, but legendary ship talker. He

772
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:18,440
Speaker 1: talked to us about talk to us about Larry his

773
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:19,720
Speaker 1: game and his ship talking.

774
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,600
Speaker 4: Look, Larry Bird was first of all, I don't think

775
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,680
Speaker 4: we give him enough credit for how good he was,

776
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 4: for how great.

777
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 2: That that dude was. Man, Larry Bird was the real

778
00:33:29,320 --> 00:33:32,280
Speaker 2: ship people.

779
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 1: You know.

780
00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 4: You know in the story about him telling you know,

781
00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 4: Doug MO, you better put a black guy on me,

782
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 4: all that shit's true because he was like, you disrespected

783
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,400
Speaker 4: me putting a white guy on me. Ain't no white

784
00:33:41,440 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: guy can guard me, he better put a brother on me.

785
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 4: I mean, that's how he was. And then they couldn't

786
00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 4: do nothing with him. He said, only one the only

787
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: one that could was cool. He said the coop was

788
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: the only one that could really guard him. He called

789
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:57,000
Speaker 4: him the best defensive player's ever seen, right, and that's

790
00:33:57,240 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: that's that's big time. But Larry would talk mucho ship.

791
00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:02,560
Speaker 4: He tell you where he's going. You know, he catches

792
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: shooting and then you jump and he tells you, man,

793
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 4: you jump up, but you don't.

794
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 2: You that damn high.

795
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:08,800
Speaker 4: He was just the biggest trash talking that I that

796
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 4: I've ever seen. But I think in the thirty for

797
00:34:11,640 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 4: thirty I even said, I said, but I guess I

798
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,200
Speaker 4: ain't trash talking if you're backing it up right, fact,

799
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying. He's telling you what he

800
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,600
Speaker 4: gonna do, and he's doing it, So I guess, you know,

801
00:34:18,680 --> 00:34:20,719
Speaker 4: he's just it's just him being a prophet and telling

802
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:21,560
Speaker 4: you exactly what he's doing.

803
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 2: Do one he's gonna do it, you know.

804
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, Hey, Larry Bird was, uh, you know, one of

805
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:29,200
Speaker 4: the greatest players I've ever seen.

806
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:31,520
Speaker 1: Where is he in the hierarchy of the game because

807
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 1: I think he said, he's someone who gets looked over

808
00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,920
Speaker 1: for some reason, maybe because he is white, or maybe

809
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,839
Speaker 1: because he wasn't athletic, but he had all the game

810
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: in the world. Where is he at kind of in

811
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 1: the hierarchy on the all time list? Top ten team?

812
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,839
Speaker 4: Definitely top ten. You got to be in the top ten,

813
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 4: And I think, like you said, he's overlooked. I think,

814
00:34:51,640 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 4: you know, just like anything else, you know, time has

815
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,360
Speaker 4: a way in just getting the past, making people forget

816
00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:00,279
Speaker 4: about the past. And if you if you go and

817
00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: you ask guys, you know, I'm sixty now sixty three,

818
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 4: but if you go back twenty years now when I

819
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:08,560
Speaker 4: was forty, you asked guys about Larry Bird, they tell you, oh,

820
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 4: you know, and you know, brothers at the barbershop. Oh

821
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 4: that's a bad white boy. They give you cross. That's

822
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 4: the bad white boy right there.

823
00:35:16,440 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 2: Right.

824
00:35:17,239 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: So if you go way back, he probably would be

825
00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 4: in the top ten. But I think right now today's

826
00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 4: game and today's world, the way we're talking about your

827
00:35:25,280 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 4: players right now, definitely top ten.

828
00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: Where did your so Coop said that high socks and

829
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,560
Speaker 1: wrist bands came from his grandmother of not really being

830
00:35:34,560 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 1: able to see him when he finally got to play

831
00:35:36,160 --> 00:35:37,439
Speaker 1: in the high school game of the week.

832
00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:39,040
Speaker 2: I mean, who's that damn black?

833
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,120
Speaker 4: I was thinking the same thing. If he whatever colored

834
00:35:44,200 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 4: uniform he got on, how can you not see him?

835
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:50,000
Speaker 4: I know the games are at night, but damn they're

836
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 4: still in the building. That's pretty lit up, you know

837
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:52,399
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

838
00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:54,919
Speaker 5: So gold uniform and you got to put on white

839
00:35:55,000 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 5: to be seen. That's crazy cool, that's good. I asked

840
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 5: him the same thing. You wasn't black enough that you

841
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 5: didn't stand out at the first place. Understanding, but okay.

842
00:36:07,520 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 1: Where'd your biker shorts come come into play?

843
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 4: Biker shorts came into play because I just thought the

844
00:36:12,960 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 4: damn shorts were just too damn small.

845
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 2: I was like, you'll be seeing my ass cheeks up.

846
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: I mean, these things just too small.

847
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:21,759
Speaker 4: So I just started I decided to wear the bike

848
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 4: cheeks the bike shorts because I asked Gary B. I said,

849
00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:26,759
Speaker 4: do we got you know, purple and gold? He was like, no,

850
00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:28,960
Speaker 4: we only got blue. I was like, well, I'm gonna

851
00:36:29,000 --> 00:36:31,600
Speaker 4: wear these, you know, instead of the jock give me these.

852
00:36:31,600 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 4: I'm gonna wear these. Put my you know, put my

853
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:35,280
Speaker 4: shorts on us because these shorts just too damn small.

854
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,680
Speaker 4: Became and start for a minute, and I had the risk.

855
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: I had no idea, and I had my wristband right here,

856
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 4: and people after, why you wear the wristband right there?

857
00:36:45,000 --> 00:36:47,080
Speaker 4: I said, well, most of the time I would wear

858
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 4: it there just to kind of wipe my face off

859
00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 4: from sweat.

860
00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I said.

861
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:51,880
Speaker 4: It wasn't like I was trying to make a you know,

862
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,440
Speaker 4: trying to be stylish and none there something white but

863
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:57,959
Speaker 4: the but the biker shorts.

864
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,919
Speaker 2: I was like, man, these shorts are too damn small.

865
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 2: I need something to you know.

866
00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,439
Speaker 1: Motherfuckers that during that era starting to wear the biker

867
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: shorts with nothing no shorts on top.

868
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:07,960
Speaker 2: Who did that?

869
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: A lot of Yeah though, come on, man, yeah, everyone

870
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: was wearing but they had they had the straight there

871
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,080
Speaker 1: was no shorts on top, like the biker shorts was

872
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:19,799
Speaker 1: in and like the mid I remember when I was little,

873
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 1: like mid to late eighties, Like, motherfuckers are just wearing

874
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: biker shorts no shorts over the town.

875
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 2: Crazy.

876
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, but they say, there's two things that never lie,

877
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: numbers and biker shorts.

878
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:36,719
Speaker 2: So you wed it.

879
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:41,239
Speaker 4: With biker shorts, I said, baby, you should not not

880
00:37:41,400 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 4: you should not have these own, but okay, you do.

881
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:44,239
Speaker 2: Your back up.

882
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 3: I see a lot of y'all walking around here with

883
00:37:46,400 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 3: bodies on looking like restlers.

884
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 2: Look, shouldn't have moaned some of y'all shouldn't have them.

885
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: It ain't got nobody who told us yesterday about Magic

886
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: leader ship ultimate leader. But like your pregame ritual was

887
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 1: with the music and kind of quizzing guys and what

888
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:06,839
Speaker 1: their habits are.

889
00:38:08,080 --> 00:38:09,320
Speaker 2: Add to that, like what what what?

890
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:13,240
Speaker 1: What was that environment like with him and if anyone

891
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,400
Speaker 1: else you know, had a prominent voice as well as

892
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,480
Speaker 1: far as leadership and kind of just steering the ship

893
00:38:17,520 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: of those teams.

894
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was. It was crazy.

895
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 4: Our team was so cool because we knew Magic was

896
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 4: the leader. Captain Kareem he was the captain, you know,

897
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:28,839
Speaker 4: but we knew Magic was our leader, but we had

898
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 4: you know, Coop was kind of our emotional leader, you

899
00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. Coop was our guy that you know,

900
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,960
Speaker 4: just kind of jumped around and just tried to get

901
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 4: everybody going. And the great thing about Magic being the leader,

902
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 4: Magic had no problem with everybody jumping on him when

903
00:38:41,840 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 4: he messed up.

904
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 2: You know, I think that's That's how you are a

905
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:47,640
Speaker 2: great leader. True sign of a leader that you you know, hey,

906
00:38:47,760 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 2: you you you accept the responsibility as well. You know,

907
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 2: you talk.

908
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 4: One of these leaders are sitting there saying, you know,

909
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 4: he messed up. But when somebody tried to tell you

910
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:57,280
Speaker 4: you messed up, you looking at them like they're crazy.

911
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 3: You know.

912
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 2: He never had that type of problem.

913
00:38:59,640 --> 00:39:01,759
Speaker 4: So we we would always and we were the three

914
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 4: Musketeers meet him and Coop, you know, so I would

915
00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 4: be the one normally would jump on Buck Buck come on,

916
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:08,920
Speaker 4: God damn it, let's go you right, be you right,

917
00:39:08,960 --> 00:39:10,360
Speaker 4: come on, come on? You know I mean that that

918
00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,520
Speaker 4: was that we held each other accountable. Uh, but we

919
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:14,759
Speaker 4: also pumped each other up.

920
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:16,800
Speaker 2: Man. You know, we wasn't a group of guys that

921
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 2: the talk shit to other teams when we played.

922
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 4: We just played. We talked shit to each other, you know,

923
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 4: to get us scoring against the other team. Maxwell Vernion, Maxwell.

924
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,799
Speaker 2: Who I love. That's my dude, right, Mad Max? Mad Max.

925
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 2: He was guarding Magic in Houston. He's like, I don't

926
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: need no damn help. I got his ass.

927
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:33,000
Speaker 5: You know.

928
00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 2: So we was like, okay, so we get to the

929
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 2: third quarter and Magic doing what he's doing.

930
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 4: He just you know, getting everybody involved, and now we

931
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,200
Speaker 4: want to post him up against Max going into the

932
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: fourth quarter, and uh, we start posting him up, you know,

933
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,239
Speaker 4: and we talked and ship to Max, I say, hey, Buck,

934
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 4: he said, he got your ass. Okay, okay, b okay,

935
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:54,320
Speaker 4: throwing it to him in the post. He starts scoring,

936
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:57,200
Speaker 4: right Max, heymn, y'all need to come.

937
00:39:57,120 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 2: Down there and help. That's sixth Nights, you know.

938
00:40:02,600 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 4: The first time Magic turned around, no no, no, but

939
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 4: you said you don't need no help, right, And that

940
00:40:07,960 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 4: was just our team, you know, so.

941
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:10,719
Speaker 2: We just kept pumping him up. He's like he can

942
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 2: guard you, Buck, he said. So.

943
00:40:12,560 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 4: I mean, we just really had a group of guys

944
00:40:15,160 --> 00:40:17,160
Speaker 4: and if Cap says something, it was like if hunting

945
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 4: it was long man. If he said let's go get

946
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,920
Speaker 4: that at man, we was like Cap ready. So we

947
00:40:23,080 --> 00:40:25,240
Speaker 4: just kind of kept each other accountable. But our leadership,

948
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: you know, the main guy was Magic, and he was

949
00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,719
Speaker 4: such a great leader because he was you know, he

950
00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: was a guy that was tough on you, but he

951
00:40:32,120 --> 00:40:33,879
Speaker 4: also showed you nothing but love.

952
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 2: You know, he wanted you to do.

953
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:37,839
Speaker 1: What And I also heard him tell say one time

954
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,400
Speaker 1: in one of his speed, Like he knew, like you

955
00:40:39,440 --> 00:40:41,359
Speaker 1: can't talk to everybody the same way. He knew how

956
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 1: to talk and push buttons with everybody on the team.

957
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: Yeah.

958
00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was like I said he was. He was

959
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,279
Speaker 4: a coach on the floor, you know what I'm saying.

960
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 4: He knew, he knew all of us. You know, if

961
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 4: we went four or five times down the floor, he

962
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 4: would be like, oh no, I got to get beat

963
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 4: the ball this time. You know, we've been hitting James,

964
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: been hitting Cap And he was one of those guys

965
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:01,640
Speaker 4: that like, I get mine, you know when I want

966
00:41:01,640 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 4: to Matt, you could have average thirty, easy, you could

967
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,480
Speaker 4: average thirty. But he knew that that wasn't the best

968
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 4: thing for the team, right. You know, so we knew,

969
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 4: Like you said, he knew the posts of everybody on

970
00:41:12,360 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 4: our team.

971
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,000
Speaker 1: What are some of the difficulties because we've seen it.

972
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't know about your era, but I've seen it

973
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 1: in my era. Guys that come to LA and can't

974
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:24,239
Speaker 1: necessarily handle the pressure of the lights in l A

975
00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,279
Speaker 1: and and people talk like that, Hey that's a myth.

976
00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 2: It's real, It's really what is it?

977
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: What is this?

978
00:41:30,480 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 2: It's the LA lifestyle?

979
00:41:32,120 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 4: You know, you come here and you got you got money,

980
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 4: you on the Lakers, so you got everybody tugging at you.

981
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 4: You know, women, dudes are tugging at you for business

982
00:41:41,000 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 4: deals and this and that and the other.

983
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 2: Uh. It is not a myth, it is it's a lifestyle.

984
00:41:45,520 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 2: It's something that happens here in l A a lot.

985
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 3: Uh.

986
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 2: We used to love for teams to come here and

987
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: have to, you know, play us on a.

988
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: Friday, and they got here Wednesday, Thursday, so we know

989
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 4: when they come to the game's gone dog and then

990
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 4: we're gonna get up and down the floor. So yeah,

991
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 4: it's just it's and you notice Matt and Jack, it's

992
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 4: a mindset when you come to l A. If you

993
00:42:08,239 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 4: if you've never been to l A for uh extended

994
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:13,880
Speaker 4: period of time, and you're a guy from the country,

995
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:15,719
Speaker 4: and all of a sudden, these women are in the lobby, the.

996
00:42:16,360 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: Dog, it's hard to resist.

997
00:42:18,440 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 4: And magic he was sending women, That's what I heard,

998
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,360
Speaker 4: was sending women to the damn hotel.

999
00:42:23,520 --> 00:42:25,760
Speaker 1: The women's in the lobby and then sent to the hotel.

1000
00:42:26,080 --> 00:42:29,279
Speaker 4: That wasn't a joke, right, No, dominic Wiggins, He's like, hey,

1001
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:30,919
Speaker 4: Dominicque I got got a couple of friends.

1002
00:42:30,920 --> 00:42:31,360
Speaker 2: They gonna come.

1003
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 4: He told us about that women. Yeah, until they star players. Right,

1004
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:39,160
Speaker 4: So y'all, man, it wasn't it just just how we

1005
00:42:39,280 --> 00:42:40,279
Speaker 4: rolled in l a back in the.

1006
00:42:43,800 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: Right, No, no cell phone cameras and.

1007
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 2: You had to be there, Yeah, you had to be

1008
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:53,600
Speaker 2: there live and memoricks. Baby, it's straight up like that.

1009
00:42:55,040 --> 00:42:57,200
Speaker 1: Why do you feel you got a chance to play

1010
00:42:57,200 --> 00:42:59,400
Speaker 1: with Cap? And I think also he's another person thin

1011
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:01,680
Speaker 1: gets over in the hierarchy of the game. Why do

1012
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,760
Speaker 1: you think no one else has been able to develop

1013
00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 1: or mimic because it's a mimic and copycat league. You know,

1014
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: we saw Kobe emulate might a tee to a t.

1015
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: Why no one ever tried to emulate arguably the most

1016
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:16,080
Speaker 1: unstoppable shot ever created.

1017
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 4: You know what I heard matter is that it wasn't

1018
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 4: a cool shot. It didn't look Okay, I said it

1019
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: didn't look cool.

1020
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:28,160
Speaker 2: Scored thirty eight thousand points. Why does it have to

1021
00:43:28,200 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 2: look cool?

1022
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:32,359
Speaker 4: And nobody could stop it he either missed or made

1023
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:34,800
Speaker 4: You could do about it. Yeah, it wasn't like you

1024
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:37,120
Speaker 4: could your block it and all that. I mean, I

1025
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:39,200
Speaker 4: think in all the years that I played with him

1026
00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 4: all the years that I watched him play before I

1027
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 4: got to lead, I saw one person blocking maybe two,

1028
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 4: and I think Ralph Sampson was one.

1029
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,239
Speaker 2: But it's weak side. It wasn't a guy on the ball,

1030
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: you know what I'm.

1031
00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 1: Saying, almost like, hey, who's upstairs? Oh the wind? Oh okay,

1032
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,320
Speaker 1: I thought we had some I thought we had some

1033
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:55,919
Speaker 1: cush ups.

1034
00:43:57,960 --> 00:44:00,200
Speaker 4: So I only saw one guy block it, and that

1035
00:44:00,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 4: was from the week side. But you couldn't do nothing

1036
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 4: with that shot. So for guys not to even try

1037
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 4: that shot, it's just amazing to me, you know, because

1038
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 4: I had a guy practice.

1039
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 2: And again, I'm my first year of coaching.

1040
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,839
Speaker 4: I'm thirty six, thirty seven, thirty eight, probably my third year, Jack,

1041
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 4: you probably was gone. We had a seven foot African

1042
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:21,080
Speaker 4: kid in Jersey that we're trying to do it, you know,

1043
00:44:21,160 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 4: trying to bring him into development.

1044
00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: So some uh you know I'm talking. I can't remember

1045
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 2: his name though, yeah, yeah, I got yeah.

1046
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 4: And so he was like, I block any shot. I

1047
00:44:33,880 --> 00:44:36,239
Speaker 4: was like, I said, I tell you what, I'm six four,

1048
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 4: you can't block my sky And I shot this shot

1049
00:44:39,600 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 4: about ten times in practice on it. He couldn't block it. Yeah,

1050
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,799
Speaker 4: And I said, I'm six four. That's why I don't

1051
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 4: understand why it was a shot that wasn't duplicated like

1052
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 4: you said over the years. But from what I heard,

1053
00:44:50,080 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 4: gods were like, it's got a cool shot.

1054
00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 3: It's a young kid that's coming up in the G

1055
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 3: League and he played for the Okay see a little

1056
00:44:58,440 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 3: bit too.

1057
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:00,680
Speaker 2: He he plays it.

1058
00:45:00,840 --> 00:45:05,399
Speaker 3: He shoots it every game and it's effective. Like short guy,

1059
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 3: but he got a little running hook. But that's his

1060
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 3: that's his go to Jack.

1061
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 2: You can't block it, can't do nothing. It's effective. To bro,

1062
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: you can't.

1063
00:45:13,040 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 1: I think you get your arm bar out over the top.

1064
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 3: So just imagine being seven foot and having that right

1065
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 3: we tamp with seven to women that you you need

1066
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 3: to get block it.

1067
00:45:23,360 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 2: Women need to get there.

1068
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,000
Speaker 1: I know a dude in the hood named hook Shot Mike.

1069
00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:26,319
Speaker 2: Who was.

1070
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: That shot Mike Hooks Yeah, Fresno, Yeah, hook shot And

1071
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:36,200
Speaker 1: he had a Jerry cur And you couldn't block Iteah

1072
00:45:36,239 --> 00:45:38,040
Speaker 1: to Jerry Crow, go back real quick dealing. There was

1073
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:42,760
Speaker 1: something else I wanted to Obviously, we lost a legend

1074
00:45:43,080 --> 00:45:45,560
Speaker 1: in the game. And and and Jerry rest rest in peace.

1075
00:45:46,040 --> 00:45:48,280
Speaker 1: Coop told us yesterday you were one of Jerry's kids

1076
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 1: with him, speak to his influence on the game and

1077
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:55,440
Speaker 1: his knowledge of the game and emotional speaking about speaking about.

1078
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:56,440
Speaker 2: Jerry was.

1079
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:02,720
Speaker 4: The best general man. You're the best assessment of talent

1080
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 4: that I've ever seen. And Jerry and I had multiple

1081
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 4: conversations about basketball.

1082
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 2: Jerry.

1083
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 4: I always called Jerry my basketball dad because every decision

1084
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: I made when it came to coach, and I called Jerry,

1085
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,279
Speaker 4: you know, and Logo would call me right back and

1086
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:19,880
Speaker 4: I would tell him I just got an offer to

1087
00:46:19,920 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 4: coach this team. Jersey was the first, and he got

1088
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:25,600
Speaker 4: me the assistant coaching job of Sacramento.

1089
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 2: You know.

1090
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 4: He called uh, Jeff Petrie and Rick Adelman. He said,

1091
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 4: I heard you guys looking for a coach. Byron Byron Scott.

1092
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,320
Speaker 4: I think would be a really good assistant coach for

1093
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 4: you guys. He wanted to get me with with Phil

1094
00:46:38,400 --> 00:46:42,200
Speaker 4: Jackson's on the bench with the Lakers, and Phil was like,

1095
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 4: I got my own crew, you know. So Jerry was like,

1096
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,440
Speaker 4: I want you to come in and be a sister GM.

1097
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:48,880
Speaker 4: I said, I'm not a suit guy. You know, I

1098
00:46:48,920 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 4: got to be on that floor, you know. So he

1099
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,880
Speaker 4: made the call to Sacramento. I got that job, and

1100
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,800
Speaker 4: then when I got offered the New Jersey job, I

1101
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,919
Speaker 4: called Jerry. I said, Logo, what do you think about

1102
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:03,759
Speaker 4: the Jersey? And you called him logo? Yeah, I said

1103
00:47:03,800 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 4: what do you think about New Jersey? And I ran

1104
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 4: down the players. We talked for like an hour and

1105
00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 4: a half. He said, I think that'd be a good job.

1106
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,400
Speaker 4: I think you could help them, And the same thing

1107
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,600
Speaker 4: with New Orleans Cleveland. I called him about every job

1108
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 4: ever got, you know, so uh you talking about somebody

1109
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,560
Speaker 4: that was very instrumental in my development as a basketball

1110
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 4: player and as a man. I saw how he treated

1111
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 4: other players with nothing but respect. But he had no

1112
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,920
Speaker 4: fear with anybody. He came to the locker room one

1113
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:30,759
Speaker 4: game after we played somebody. We played and we won

1114
00:47:30,840 --> 00:47:33,000
Speaker 4: the game, but Magic didn't play well, and which is

1115
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 4: a rarity, you know, when he don't play, you know well,

1116
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,200
Speaker 4: and Jerry said, you played, like shit, what's going on

1117
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 4: with you?

1118
00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:39,840
Speaker 2: You know?

1119
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:43,319
Speaker 4: Magic just kind of looked and just kind of walked away.

1120
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,080
Speaker 4: But he didn't, you know, Jerry West, he's a logo.

1121
00:47:45,120 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 4: He didn't care. So you talk about somebody know that,

1122
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 4: you know. He brought Coop he made the trade for me,

1123
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,040
Speaker 4: you know, he made the trade for Cap. He got

1124
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,200
Speaker 4: your magic, I mean everybody. He brought that team together,

1125
00:47:57,520 --> 00:48:03,279
Speaker 4: you know, so we're unfortunately for us, we lost an icon.

1126
00:48:03,800 --> 00:48:04,040
Speaker 2: Still.

1127
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 4: I think the only the only person inducted into the

1128
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 4: Hall of Fame as a player a GM and he's

1129
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 4: at like two, two or three times he's been inducted

1130
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:15,920
Speaker 4: and he's the only one ever, you know.

1131
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:19,000
Speaker 2: So he you know, he was something special.

1132
00:48:19,080 --> 00:48:19,200
Speaker 1: Man.

1133
00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:21,680
Speaker 3: You came into the league eighty four in the same

1134
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 3: year David Stern came in as a commissioner. Around that time,

1135
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 3: James Worthy said the league was too black and too

1136
00:48:29,200 --> 00:48:32,239
Speaker 3: drug infested. Can't talk about that. When you came in

1137
00:48:32,239 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 3: the league, How was it?

1138
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was.

1139
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 4: It was crazy back then because cocaine was running rapid,

1140
00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:37,439
Speaker 4: you know in the NBA.

1141
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 2: Back drug.

1142
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:43,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's a hell of a drug, is right, obviously,

1143
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 4: because it's you. It ruled a whole lot of your

1144
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 4: brothers lives, man, and you know, it just goes to

1145
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:52,439
Speaker 4: show you get money. Sometimes that money is the worst drug,

1146
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 4: you know, because some guys they misuse it, you know

1147
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 4: what I'm saying.

1148
00:48:55,880 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 2: So it was running rapid.

1149
00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,640
Speaker 4: I don't think the part, you know, because the black

1150
00:49:01,800 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 4: I mean, the players that we had was just brothers

1151
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 4: that can just ball. What David Stern did come and

1152
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:10,480
Speaker 4: do is he brought Uh. He solidified the league as

1153
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:13,960
Speaker 4: far as a brand, you know, he made it marketable,

1154
00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 4: you know, because I know when he got to the league,

1155
00:49:16,000 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 4: there was four teams making money, you know, five years

1156
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,960
Speaker 4: later and then obviously I still give Magic and Bird

1157
00:49:23,560 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 4: all the due respect because when they came into the

1158
00:49:25,680 --> 00:49:29,200
Speaker 4: league and he took off, you know, it was watchable again.

1159
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:31,000
Speaker 4: You know, the games wouldn't take the lay. I don't

1160
00:49:31,000 --> 00:49:33,200
Speaker 4: even know if you remember that, because I remember in college,

1161
00:49:33,239 --> 00:49:34,080
Speaker 4: I'm watching tape the.

1162
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: Lay games, championship championship games, not regularly.

1163
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:40,400
Speaker 4: I mean I'm watching games in my dorm at eleven

1164
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,319
Speaker 4: o'clock at night of the finals. You know, when those

1165
00:49:43,360 --> 00:49:45,399
Speaker 4: two guys got to the NBA, it changed the whole

1166
00:49:45,400 --> 00:49:46,399
Speaker 4: complexity of the league.

1167
00:49:46,920 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 2: Every team started making money, you know.

1168
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 4: And and David, as tough as he was as a commissioner,

1169
00:49:52,800 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 4: he was still fair, you know, and he wanted to play.

1170
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: He wanted it for the players to do well. You know.

1171
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:01,239
Speaker 2: So I love that.

1172
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 4: I love that about you know, David stern that he

1173
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 4: was all about the league and the players as well.

1174
00:50:05,840 --> 00:50:10,359
Speaker 1: He found a way to market individuals the right way

1175
00:50:10,520 --> 00:50:14,440
Speaker 1: within a team sport without making it making any division.

1176
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:16,320
Speaker 1: Like he knew he had to get some stars. And

1177
00:50:16,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: as you said, as you know, pushing the pushing, you know,

1178
00:50:20,560 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: m j or Exkin me pushing Larry and Magic. And

1179
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: then along came Michael understanding that hey we had this

1180
00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: is a team sport one thousand percent, but we can

1181
00:50:29,120 --> 00:50:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, shine a light on stars within that concept.

1182
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: And that was a concept that I don't think a

1183
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,120
Speaker 1: lot of leagues still have or understand now.

1184
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 4: He was, he was ahead of his time. David understood

1185
00:50:41,200 --> 00:50:44,120
Speaker 4: the value of marketing certain guys because it's gonna bring

1186
00:50:44,160 --> 00:50:46,759
Speaker 4: attention to not only those guys into the league, but

1187
00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 4: to the teams as well. And I think, you again,

1188
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,600
Speaker 4: you got to, you know, take your hat off to

1189
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 4: him because he was a visionary as well.

1190
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:56,359
Speaker 2: He taught about your overseas.

1191
00:50:56,400 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 4: You know, bringing the game, making the game global, you know,

1192
00:50:59,280 --> 00:51:02,040
Speaker 4: so you know, he did an unbelievable job of getting

1193
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:04,480
Speaker 4: this lead to where it is today. And Adam Silver,

1194
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:06,960
Speaker 4: who I love, I think, is taking it. He's going

1195
00:51:07,040 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 4: to take it to the next level. He was a

1196
00:51:08,440 --> 00:51:11,440
Speaker 4: perfect guy, but it put in a bad situation when

1197
00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 4: he took it over.

1198
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:15,439
Speaker 1: I was on that coperate team he had to fire

1199
00:51:15,480 --> 00:51:17,640
Speaker 1: old board get out to lay. But I also think,

1200
00:51:18,480 --> 00:51:19,960
Speaker 1: with all the respect because I think he's done a

1201
00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 1: great job, I think he also has a problem on

1202
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: his hands, like how do you how do you clean

1203
00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:25,919
Speaker 1: this game? How do you get this game enjoyable again

1204
00:51:25,960 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: and then make it the game that the world loves.

1205
00:51:27,840 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 4: Absolutely, it's no doubt about it that he has a

1206
00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 4: problem on his sad and he has his work cutout.

1207
00:51:32,080 --> 00:51:34,279
Speaker 4: Like I said, when you get viewership down this much,

1208
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 4: you know, there's there's a there's a serious issue that

1209
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 4: you got to deal with, you know, and it starts

1210
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 4: with the players, you know. So we got to figure

1211
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 4: out a way to get this game back to where

1212
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 4: the viewers love watching it again, you know, because right

1213
00:51:47,200 --> 00:51:48,160
Speaker 4: now it's not attractive.

1214
00:51:48,160 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 3: It's not Edge of the cy basketball. No, it's not basketball.

1215
00:51:51,520 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 3: I mean we as players ex players. How many how

1216
00:51:54,200 --> 00:51:54,800
Speaker 3: many games.

1217
00:51:54,640 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 2: Do you go to? Jack? How many games you go?

1218
00:51:56,080 --> 00:51:57,520
Speaker 1: I don't really go to games, but I used to

1219
00:51:57,600 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: consistently watch games. I've probably watched forty games thirty five.

1220
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:02,920
Speaker 1: I've watched two games this year.

1221
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:08,120
Speaker 4: Jack, I've gone to two games, and I'll probably go

1222
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:11,919
Speaker 4: to eight to ten more because number one, my wife

1223
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:13,960
Speaker 4: likes going to the games, you know, so I'll go

1224
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,279
Speaker 4: to the games, but I do not watch an NBA

1225
00:52:16,320 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 4: game until the playoffs.

1226
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 2: I watched Collage, well women's basketball, that's all I want. Yeah,

1227
00:52:20,280 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 2: now I will watch that because they played because they

1228
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 2: played the right way. You know what I'm saying. They

1229
00:52:24,200 --> 00:52:27,640
Speaker 2: played the right way. So the NBA got a major

1230
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 2: problem on their heads as far as that's concerned.

1231
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:31,200
Speaker 4: And most of the time, I won't watch the playoffs

1232
00:52:31,280 --> 00:52:33,320
Speaker 4: until they get to the you know, conference finals, in

1233
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 4: the finals when it so that's when it gets interesting.

1234
00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 4: So they got, you know, a major problem. Adam is

1235
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:41,960
Speaker 4: a guy who I feel is in is in the

1236
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:43,879
Speaker 4: right seat and the right guy to take it over

1237
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,680
Speaker 4: and get it back on track.

1238
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 3: But it's gonna take some time. Yep, agreed, battlely MJ.

1239
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:51,319
Speaker 3: What was that like you told you told the story

1240
00:52:51,360 --> 00:52:55,160
Speaker 3: before about say m I may say B fifty to.

1241
00:52:58,760 --> 00:52:59,040
Speaker 2: Just like that.

1242
00:52:59,320 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 4: It was it was most of that, but I would

1243
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,560
Speaker 4: look look he was he was coming off a bus

1244
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,080
Speaker 4: and I had hurt my ankle two games prior to something,

1245
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 4: and uh, he gets off the bus and he said,

1246
00:53:10,920 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 4: be what's up.

1247
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: I said, what's up? MJ said, I heard drink playing

1248
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,560
Speaker 2: to night. I said, nah.

1249
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:19,919
Speaker 4: He said, what's wrong? I said, my ankle. He said, damn,

1250
00:53:20,120 --> 00:53:23,399
Speaker 4: who gonna guard me? I said, Anthony Peeler. He said

1251
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:24,520
Speaker 4: that rookie fifty.

1252
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: This was exact.

1253
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 4: I said, you're gonna give me fifties. I was gonna

1254
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 4: give you fifty, but now he said I'm gonna give

1255
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,440
Speaker 4: him fifty. Then I was like, damn. So I come

1256
00:53:36,520 --> 00:53:38,960
Speaker 4: to the arena and I said, Anthony, let me just

1257
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:41,200
Speaker 4: give you some advice on playing MJ. I said, first

1258
00:53:41,200 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 4: of all, don't be all physical like you always trying

1259
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:44,960
Speaker 4: to be in rough with the guy Sai, because he

1260
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 4: gonna take that shit personal. I said, give me space.

1261
00:53:48,040 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 4: Make him shot jump shots all night. They challenge you,

1262
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 4: I said, and if they go in this, you know

1263
00:53:52,520 --> 00:53:54,560
Speaker 4: that's that's that's the bottom line. But if you get

1264
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,759
Speaker 4: up on him, now you're getting to the bucket. He

1265
00:53:56,840 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 4: getting to the free throw line. I said, he already

1266
00:53:59,080 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 4: said getting fifty.

1267
00:53:59,840 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 2: I got him.

1268
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 4: I got him be I said, oh okay, So every

1269
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:05,279
Speaker 4: time m J scored, he looked over the bitch at

1270
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,480
Speaker 4: me because I was just sitting there like this, right,

1271
00:54:07,600 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 4: he had fifty folk and missed the wide open dunk.

1272
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,719
Speaker 2: You know, had a breakaway dunk. Yeah, yeah, I.

1273
00:54:15,760 --> 00:54:18,520
Speaker 4: Heard that game and he did it like was nothing.

1274
00:54:18,560 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 4: Looked at me every time I said nasty. The dude

1275
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 4: was a man playing against boards.

1276
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:25,160
Speaker 2: Damn there.

1277
00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:27,000
Speaker 4: I mean, he was one of those guys. You know,

1278
00:54:27,040 --> 00:54:29,240
Speaker 4: I didn't fear anybody, but when I play against himself,

1279
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,040
Speaker 4: I ain't pissing him.

1280
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: Off, you know what I mean?

1281
00:54:32,840 --> 00:54:34,239
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's the only guy I was. I would look

1282
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:35,480
Speaker 4: at it. I ain't gonna piss him off. He hit

1283
00:54:35,480 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 4: a shot and be a good shot shot him. I said,

1284
00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 4: I ain't pissing him off because I've seen him go

1285
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 4: for forty fifty like it ain't nothing. Because the guys,

1286
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,120
Speaker 4: you know, being being aggressive or trying to be overly

1287
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 4: physical with him.

1288
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: I said, I ain't pissing him off.

1289
00:54:49,160 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 4: Everybody else I don't give a ship but him, black Jesus,

1290
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:53,960
Speaker 4: I ain't messing with him like that.

1291
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:57,040
Speaker 1: Who else was? Who else was problems during that era

1292
00:54:57,400 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: in the two guard spot that we might not think of.

1293
00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: I mean Obviously Dominique was tough. Yeah, but who else

1294
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 1: at that time?

1295
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 4: You know a name that a lot of people don't remember, probably,

1296
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,240
Speaker 4: but a Rolando black Man. Orlando black Man. I played

1297
00:55:10,239 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 4: against Orlando my sophomore year when we played when Arizona

1298
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 4: State we went to Kansas played Kansas State, right, and

1299
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 4: just all American guard. My coach is like, you're gonna

1300
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:25,000
Speaker 4: get a taste of a real two guard that's an

1301
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:26,800
Speaker 4: All American and we're gonna see how you you know,

1302
00:55:26,880 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 4: how you have this? That dude ate me up though,

1303
00:55:29,280 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 4: I was like, damn. So when I get to the Lakers,

1304
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:33,920
Speaker 4: I get to play against him when he was Dallas.

1305
00:55:34,239 --> 00:55:36,160
Speaker 4: You know, I already had mad respect because I saw

1306
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:38,839
Speaker 4: him play and played against him. But now I've seen

1307
00:55:38,920 --> 00:55:41,439
Speaker 4: him in the NBA. You know, the next couple of years,

1308
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 4: Orlando Blackman would get buckets. He had game and he

1309
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:48,680
Speaker 4: was a good dude, very competitive, but he was tough man.

1310
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:51,160
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, he was married to Jenny Jones

1311
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:53,320
Speaker 1: to Talk the talk show host for a while. You

1312
00:55:53,440 --> 00:55:56,520
Speaker 1: remember Jenny Jones that, right? I remember Jones? Yeah, I

1313
00:55:56,560 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 1: think that I'm not mistaken. All I know is he

1314
00:55:58,440 --> 00:56:01,360
Speaker 1: was a problem that he was a problem.

1315
00:56:03,480 --> 00:56:06,800
Speaker 3: You were critical about JJ Riddick, and when I've read it,

1316
00:56:06,960 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 3: I understand what you meant about it. I don't think

1317
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:10,760
Speaker 3: it was critical, But you said JJ has no coaching

1318
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 3: experience whatsoever, which at the time he didn't, and it

1319
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:15,359
Speaker 3: is hard jumping in that seat for the first time

1320
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 3: as a head coach. I agree with you said, I

1321
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 3: know what you meant by that, especially being black. JJ black,

1322
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:24,080
Speaker 3: so it's it's a tough, tough job, and really even

1323
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:26,600
Speaker 3: tougher for guys who have never had any coaching experience.

1324
00:56:27,040 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 3: The reason why I understood that is because I've seen

1325
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 3: so many black coaches get putting shit situations and expect

1326
00:56:34,960 --> 00:56:38,919
Speaker 3: to save teams and they get fired. But I've seen

1327
00:56:39,000 --> 00:56:42,799
Speaker 3: white coaches be in that same position, don't ship teams

1328
00:56:42,840 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 3: and lose and still keep their job, and they're allowed

1329
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,839
Speaker 3: to go through that phase where they learning that's learned

1330
00:56:47,880 --> 00:56:49,839
Speaker 3: to become a great coach, and they can stay keeping

1331
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 3: their jobs. Blacks don't have the experience. So when you

1332
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:54,600
Speaker 3: said that about JJ, I understand what you meant because

1333
00:56:54,600 --> 00:56:57,960
Speaker 3: he going into the Lakers, that's a that's a big

1334
00:56:58,080 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 3: job right there, one of the biggest jobs to have,

1335
00:57:00,160 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: then you're going there the first time.

1336
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 2: You never had no coaching experience.

1337
00:57:03,560 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 3: You have to be worried about JJ at some point

1338
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,000
Speaker 3: if you especially boy like guys, guess that's our homeboy.

1339
00:57:08,120 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 3: So I was worried for him too, because even though

1340
00:57:10,480 --> 00:57:13,719
Speaker 3: he has a basketball IQ, you've never coached. And every

1341
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 3: time I talk to somebody about coaching that's played with

1342
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:17,840
Speaker 3: us that's older than us.

1343
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:20,240
Speaker 2: Man, Coaching is a hard ass job. We take a

1344
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:20,880
Speaker 2: lot of time.

1345
00:57:21,240 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: So I understood that because you talk about what what

1346
00:57:23,720 --> 00:57:26,080
Speaker 3: you were thinking when you said that pretty.

1347
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:27,959
Speaker 4: Much just what you said. I've been in that seat,

1348
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:32,320
Speaker 4: you know, hottest seat in sports. I've been in that

1349
00:57:32,400 --> 00:57:34,760
Speaker 4: seat numerous of the times. And like you said, i've

1350
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 4: been I've been in that seat where I've been put

1351
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:38,200
Speaker 4: in a situations where I know i got a team

1352
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,280
Speaker 4: that ain't got crap. Yeah you know, and they expect

1353
00:57:41,360 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 4: you to make, you know, make something happen without the talent,

1354
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:46,960
Speaker 4: and they don't give you that time.

1355
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:47,800
Speaker 2: To do it to develop it.

1356
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:48,040
Speaker 4: Right.

1357
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:49,680
Speaker 2: I've been in that situation a few times.

1358
00:57:49,800 --> 00:57:52,520
Speaker 4: Right, So what I'm saying about JJ is that, listen,

1359
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 4: you have no coach at least I went to Sacramento

1360
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:56,919
Speaker 4: for two years as assistant coach.

1361
00:57:57,400 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 2: You have no coaching experience whatsoever.

1362
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 4: You're sitting in the hotes seat in the NBA because

1363
00:58:02,040 --> 00:58:04,760
Speaker 4: that's the Lakers, right the hot to see in the NBA.

1364
00:58:05,320 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 4: So this ain't gonna be a bet of roses. It's

1365
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:10,240
Speaker 4: gonna be tough, it's gonna be hard, and he's gonna

1366
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 4: learn on the way. But what I also said was

1367
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 4: that good thing he's got Nate McMillan, Scottie Brooks, some

1368
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 4: assistant coaches who have that coach experience experience. So now

1369
00:58:22,960 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 4: the biggest thing with him is now you got to

1370
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:27,760
Speaker 4: listen to those guys, you know, give him that respect

1371
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,200
Speaker 4: of being there and doing that. And you know, we

1372
00:58:31,360 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 4: all have our own philosophies on how the game should

1373
00:58:33,720 --> 00:58:36,720
Speaker 4: be played and how we want to utilize certain players,

1374
00:58:37,800 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 4: but you have to also be able to when you're

1375
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:40,520
Speaker 4: in that city, you have to be able to make

1376
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 4: adjustments on the fly sometimes, you know, and sometimes that

1377
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:45,160
Speaker 4: shit ain't gonna be going like you wrote ridded down

1378
00:58:45,200 --> 00:58:47,200
Speaker 4: on the board, you know, And when it don't go

1379
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:49,000
Speaker 4: that way, that's when it really finds out if you

1380
00:58:49,040 --> 00:58:51,360
Speaker 4: can coach or not, because if you can't make those

1381
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:52,360
Speaker 4: adjustments right away.

1382
00:58:53,840 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: You're in trouble. You're in trouble. But like you said,

1383
00:58:57,280 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: I wasn't being negative towards J. J L any thing

1384
00:59:00,320 --> 00:59:00,480
Speaker 2: like that.

1385
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:03,640
Speaker 4: I'm just saying I'm just stating the audience, which is

1386
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:06,600
Speaker 4: the fact that he had no coaching experience. But like they,

1387
00:59:06,800 --> 00:59:08,360
Speaker 4: like I said, when he got the job, well, the

1388
00:59:08,440 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 4: good thing is he got some guys who have experience.

1389
00:59:10,720 --> 00:59:12,760
Speaker 4: Now if he listens to those guys, then he'll be

1390
00:59:12,920 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 4: just fine. Normally, truth sounds like hate to people who

1391
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 4: hate the truth. Look, look, I don'et been there, done that. Yeah,

1392
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 4: I don't have great life. Ain't no reason no hate

1393
00:59:24,000 --> 00:59:25,720
Speaker 4: on nobody. You know what I'm saying. I'm at that

1394
00:59:25,840 --> 00:59:27,920
Speaker 4: age right now where I'm like, look, I'm I'm at

1395
00:59:28,400 --> 00:59:29,560
Speaker 4: I'm at peace with myself.

1396
00:59:29,600 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 2: I'm people, I'm golfing, you know what I'm saying.

1397
00:59:33,360 --> 00:59:35,600
Speaker 4: But I'm gonna speak Yeah, I play golf two three

1398
00:59:35,640 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 4: times a week, having a good time. I'm gonna speak

1399
00:59:37,960 --> 00:59:40,640
Speaker 4: my mind because that's all I know. I'm gonna be honest,

1400
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,840
Speaker 4: but I'm not. I'm not, you know, putting down nobody

1401
00:59:43,880 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 4: or anything like that. Because the guy got a job

1402
00:59:45,800 --> 00:59:47,960
Speaker 4: and all that. I'm like, look, bro, do what you do.

1403
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 4: I wish you all of less because for you, yeah,

1404
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,280
Speaker 4: I've been there, done that. Before we get you out

1405
00:59:54,280 --> 00:59:57,520
Speaker 4: of here. You had young Kobe as a teammate, and

1406
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:02,080
Speaker 4: Kobe at the end talk to us about that journey

1407
01:00:02,200 --> 01:00:05,440
Speaker 4: as a mentor brother to him early on and then

1408
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,040
Speaker 4: catching him at the end of his career as as coach.

1409
01:00:08,560 --> 01:00:11,440
Speaker 4: You know what, Matt, I had the pleasure of seeing

1410
01:00:11,480 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 4: the maturation of Kobe Bryant that that that, you know,

1411
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 4: it hurts me and it it makes me happy in

1412
01:00:23,080 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 4: the same way, if you know what I mean. You

1413
01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying because I remember that like it

1414
01:00:27,240 --> 01:00:30,880
Speaker 4: was yesterday and I was doing this special type of

1415
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 4: thing for ESPN Entertainment and Andy Thompson y'all know Andy,

1416
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 4: Michael Thompson's brother. He wanted to have a day with

1417
01:00:38,680 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 4: me of going around with Kobe and Shaq and then

1418
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 4: d Fish and just spend the day just talking about

1419
01:00:46,920 --> 01:00:48,320
Speaker 4: basketball and life in general.

1420
01:00:48,440 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 1: Right.

1421
01:00:48,680 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 4: So this was one of those days where we're just

1422
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:54,439
Speaker 4: done with practice, I'm all miked up, and I said

1423
01:00:54,480 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 4: show Boat, you know, that's what our nickname was for

1424
01:00:56,480 --> 01:00:57,920
Speaker 4: him at that time. Show bowt come in here, man,

1425
01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 4: I said, this is my main man. Because we would

1426
01:00:59,640 --> 01:01:01,760
Speaker 4: sit on the bench together, we would sit on the

1427
01:01:01,840 --> 01:01:04,640
Speaker 4: bus together. And the thing that was so different about

1428
01:01:04,680 --> 01:01:06,840
Speaker 4: him at eighteen that he would be sitting there asking

1429
01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 4: you every damn question about basketball, you know, you know,

1430
01:01:11,200 --> 01:01:14,000
Speaker 4: you know, just you know, how was it guarding this guy?

1431
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:16,480
Speaker 4: You know, how was it guarding this And we would

1432
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:17,560
Speaker 4: just talk basketball.

1433
01:01:17,720 --> 01:01:17,880
Speaker 2: Right.

1434
01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,760
Speaker 4: And so after like a month and a half or

1435
01:01:21,840 --> 01:01:24,600
Speaker 4: so of practicing and everything, and he would just he

1436
01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 4: would go hard in practice. He would be there two

1437
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 4: hours before practice shooting. You know, I came to the

1438
01:01:30,840 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 4: gym and I would be going there early. I got

1439
01:01:33,000 --> 01:01:34,800
Speaker 4: to get my treatment. You know, I'm thirty six years old.

1440
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 4: I gotta get my treatment, get loosen up and get

1441
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 4: warmed and get ready for practice. He out there shooting

1442
01:01:39,320 --> 01:01:40,959
Speaker 4: and they ain't even got the lights on at the farm.

1443
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 4: I was like, Gary, tell them, motherfuckers to put the

1444
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 4: lights on, you know, like you know, if he gonna

1445
01:01:45,120 --> 01:01:46,400
Speaker 4: be out there, tell them to put the lights on

1446
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 4: so that they start putting the lights on.

1447
01:01:48,520 --> 01:01:48,640
Speaker 2: Right.

1448
01:01:49,360 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 4: But sitting with him and being with him his rookie

1449
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,320
Speaker 4: year and watching how how much he wanted.

1450
01:01:57,000 --> 01:01:57,640
Speaker 2: It, you know.

1451
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 4: And even in that conversation there I said with him,

1452
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:01,840
Speaker 4: I said, you know, what do you want to accomplish

1453
01:02:01,880 --> 01:02:03,000
Speaker 4: in this league? Said, I want to be one of

1454
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,160
Speaker 4: the greatest ever. And he didn't. It wasn't like he

1455
01:02:06,240 --> 01:02:08,000
Speaker 4: said it and he didn't believe it. He was just

1456
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:11,360
Speaker 4: saying it for the cameras. He was dead serious, you know.

1457
01:02:11,440 --> 01:02:12,600
Speaker 4: And I looked at him, I was like, Oh, it

1458
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,640
Speaker 4: will be because I'm seeing him every day.

1459
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: It will work. Yeah, I see your work ethic. You

1460
01:02:17,440 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 2: got the talent.

1461
01:02:18,720 --> 01:02:21,760
Speaker 4: Now all you need is experience, you know, knowing when

1462
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 4: to take a game over, knowing when to you know,

1463
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 4: defer to somebody else, you know, which he never was

1464
01:02:25,880 --> 01:02:26,959
Speaker 4: gonna do anywhere.

1465
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 2: Companies like I didn't defer to nobody, you know. But

1466
01:02:29,760 --> 01:02:31,680
Speaker 2: that was him, you know, that was him.

1467
01:02:31,800 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 4: He had a he had an inner confidence about himself

1468
01:02:35,520 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 4: that there was nothing he couldn't do on that basketball court,

1469
01:02:38,800 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 4: and you had to love that. And then having him

1470
01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:43,960
Speaker 4: the last two years. I tell I've told a lot

1471
01:02:44,000 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 4: of people this. It was my last two years of

1472
01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,360
Speaker 4: coaching and it was two of my most fun years.

1473
01:02:49,080 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 4: And the team wasn't that terrible. We were terrible. We

1474
01:02:52,440 --> 01:02:55,400
Speaker 4: had you know, Jordan Clarkson who was young, you know,

1475
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,520
Speaker 4: Julius Brand who was young. But I knew they were

1476
01:02:57,560 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 4: gonna be good, but they were young, you know. And

1477
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:01,960
Speaker 4: then we had a bunch of other bets that they

1478
01:03:02,000 --> 01:03:04,880
Speaker 4: didn't give a shit no more, you know. And so

1479
01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 4: my job, as I told Cove, I said, look, my

1480
01:03:08,840 --> 01:03:10,480
Speaker 4: job really, because we ain't gonna win a lot of games,

1481
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,560
Speaker 4: my job really is to get you to Game eighty

1482
01:03:12,640 --> 01:03:17,160
Speaker 4: two in your twentieth season, relatively healthy, so you can

1483
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:18,520
Speaker 4: go out the way you want to go out.

1484
01:03:19,320 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 2: I said.

1485
01:03:19,680 --> 01:03:22,080
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna cut your minutes. I'm gonna tell you

1486
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:24,480
Speaker 4: what days that you don't need to even be here

1487
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 4: for practice. I'm gonna tell you there's some games that

1488
01:03:26,600 --> 01:03:28,080
Speaker 4: I just need you to show up at the arena.

1489
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:29,800
Speaker 4: I don't need you for shoot around. Well'm gonna do

1490
01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:32,080
Speaker 4: shoot around with you. You know what I'm saying. You

1491
01:03:32,560 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 4: went through everything as far as coverages, what you need

1492
01:03:36,000 --> 01:03:37,840
Speaker 4: to be here. Just come to the game, look at

1493
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:40,280
Speaker 4: the board, how we guarden certain things, and we go

1494
01:03:40,400 --> 01:03:43,320
Speaker 4: from there. So it was it was the last two

1495
01:03:43,400 --> 01:03:46,680
Speaker 4: years of us reconnecting too, you know, and we had

1496
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 4: so much fun just reconnecting, talking each other. He would

1497
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,840
Speaker 4: call me at five, six in the morning, and I said.

1498
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:52,040
Speaker 2: Don't do that.

1499
01:03:53,240 --> 01:03:54,919
Speaker 4: I said, I'm just getting up at six. You calling

1500
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:57,280
Speaker 4: me a five You fucking up my sleep. Let me

1501
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,240
Speaker 4: get that last hour in because I'm gonna be up

1502
01:03:59,240 --> 01:04:02,040
Speaker 4: all night, so doing this and this, and so we

1503
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:04,240
Speaker 4: were talk at six in the morning, you know, about

1504
01:04:04,240 --> 01:04:06,680
Speaker 4: what we're gonna do at practice that day, or about

1505
01:04:06,720 --> 01:04:09,040
Speaker 4: how we're getting ready for this game, about and it

1506
01:04:09,160 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 4: was just it was just great that we reconnected. And

1507
01:04:12,200 --> 01:04:16,200
Speaker 4: he was the first person that I told, besides my

1508
01:04:16,800 --> 01:04:18,800
Speaker 4: son and a couple of other family members, that my

1509
01:04:18,920 --> 01:04:21,960
Speaker 4: mom had passed. He was the first person I told

1510
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,200
Speaker 4: because we were in the locker room together and I

1511
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:26,800
Speaker 4: was like, I don't even know why I'm here. I

1512
01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:28,520
Speaker 4: just lost my mom. But I know my mom she

1513
01:04:28,560 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 4: would want me to be here. And Cole came in

1514
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:33,440
Speaker 4: and gave me a big hug and everything. Then I

1515
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 4: had to go out and you know, deal with the media,

1516
01:04:37,040 --> 01:04:39,000
Speaker 4: and they had found out and I said, don't ask

1517
01:04:39,080 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 4: me no questions about you want to talk basketball, Let's

1518
01:04:41,960 --> 01:04:44,960
Speaker 4: talk basketball. Anybody asked me a question about my personal life.

1519
01:04:45,560 --> 01:04:47,480
Speaker 4: This interviews over us of course the media, so what

1520
01:04:47,560 --> 01:04:50,760
Speaker 4: do you I'm out, you know, but it was it

1521
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,680
Speaker 4: was two of the best years for me as a

1522
01:04:53,840 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 4: coach to spend with him, you know, in his last

1523
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 4: two years, and that reconnect, the reconnection that we had

1524
01:05:02,560 --> 01:05:04,000
Speaker 4: was even better than I thought it would be.

1525
01:05:04,480 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: Sixty last game. Who goes out with sixty is last game?

1526
01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:09,560
Speaker 2: Kobe? Hey, man, yeah, Kobe.

1527
01:05:10,040 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 4: And if you remember how that game started, he was like,

1528
01:05:13,360 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 4: oh for five Yeah, he couldn't throw it in the ocean.

1529
01:05:15,760 --> 01:05:17,840
Speaker 4: And I'm standing there, going, this is not the way

1530
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:20,360
Speaker 4: I want this in for him. You know, he gets

1531
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:25,000
Speaker 4: filed hits, a couple of free throws, basket gets big

1532
01:05:25,040 --> 01:05:28,080
Speaker 4: as the ocean, you know. And I remember the last

1533
01:05:29,480 --> 01:05:31,680
Speaker 4: the last quarter, because even at halftime we came in.

1534
01:05:31,760 --> 01:05:33,920
Speaker 4: I said, he ain't coming out. I said, I gave

1535
01:05:34,000 --> 01:05:36,680
Speaker 4: him six minutes arrest first half. I said, but this

1536
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 4: second half, I ain't taken him out. I said, he's

1537
01:05:38,760 --> 01:05:40,160
Speaker 4: gonna have to play the rest of this game, right,

1538
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:44,200
Speaker 4: And five six minutes left in the game, I said,

1539
01:05:44,240 --> 01:05:46,960
Speaker 4: you know, KB, you got five six more minutes left

1540
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:49,120
Speaker 4: in that body. And man, I'm talking about you, talking

1541
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:52,560
Speaker 4: about the dude that was tired He was like, yeah,

1542
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:56,240
Speaker 4: and you know him his will yeah, yea, his mental

1543
01:05:56,440 --> 01:05:59,880
Speaker 4: his mental capacity to understand that the moment this is it.

1544
01:06:00,040 --> 01:06:04,080
Speaker 4: It was something I'll never forget.

1545
01:06:04,760 --> 01:06:09,360
Speaker 1: Rest in Peaks, quick hitters. First thing to come to mind.

1546
01:06:09,560 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 3: Let us know, craziest image you could share from the

1547
01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 3: Forum Club.

1548
01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,480
Speaker 1: And we did and we didn't ask you. Hey, we

1549
01:06:20,560 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: didn't ask you no foreign questions because Coop said you

1550
01:06:22,720 --> 01:06:25,280
Speaker 1: were married at that time. We didn't want to do.

1551
01:06:25,600 --> 01:06:26,560
Speaker 1: But they got to give us something.

1552
01:06:26,640 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 4: The craziest image that I remember from the Forum Club, uh,

1553
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 4: where they had a bathroom up there and somebody was

1554
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 4: bent over in there and I'm gonna just leave. That

1555
01:06:37,760 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 4: was like the craziest Oh my bad, So I'm gonna

1556
01:06:41,400 --> 01:06:42,080
Speaker 4: leave that one at that.

1557
01:06:45,520 --> 01:06:48,800
Speaker 1: The Forum Club, we had something like it, but it

1558
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:53,919
Speaker 1: wasn't to that extent what down down below wasn't down there.

1559
01:06:55,720 --> 01:06:59,960
Speaker 2: Something like it where they were sucking down there. It was.

1560
01:07:00,360 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: There was a lot of doing that. There's a lot

1561
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:03,240
Speaker 2: of going on.

1562
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,960
Speaker 1: You are doing that, Iron Scott's Laker all time, starting fire,

1563
01:07:11,040 --> 01:07:18,520
Speaker 1: It's gonna be oh, Magic Johnson, Kobe Bryant, Uh, somebody,

1564
01:07:18,520 --> 01:07:19,720
Speaker 1: you gotta leave somebody.

1565
01:07:19,880 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 4: Kareem and Wilt and Shack. Oh my god, I gotta

1566
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:24,919
Speaker 4: go with cap. I'm gonna go with cap.

1567
01:07:25,960 --> 01:07:26,080
Speaker 2: Uh.

1568
01:07:28,160 --> 01:07:33,840
Speaker 4: I'm gonna say James Worthing, Elgie Baylor, James put James

1569
01:07:33,880 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 4: at the power forward and bringing Elgin at the small.

1570
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:43,240
Speaker 3: For he's just six man, Jerry West. Yeah, logo, now yeah,

1571
01:07:44,720 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 3: I said that, now you you Yeah, No, No, I don't.

1572
01:07:48,560 --> 01:07:49,600
Speaker 3: I don't could being nice.

1573
01:07:49,720 --> 01:07:53,600
Speaker 4: He you know, he got one championship, he's been there

1574
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:57,240
Speaker 4: with four years now, sat year, Saturn. Well if he

1575
01:07:57,280 --> 01:07:59,960
Speaker 4: can get to ten, if he can get to ten years,

1576
01:08:00,160 --> 01:08:02,240
Speaker 4: then I would say, and he can get another another

1577
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,120
Speaker 4: another ring. Yeah, you know what I'm saying. He deserves

1578
01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 4: statue right now. You got to be ten at least

1579
01:08:08,200 --> 01:08:10,680
Speaker 4: ten years. I mean, Lakers standards are different, man. You

1580
01:08:11,000 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 4: can't look at it. Look at the statues that they

1581
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:18,080
Speaker 4: have right now. Everybody's been there ten plus with easy, Yeah,

1582
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:21,240
Speaker 4: to multiple championship in that uniform, in that uniform, in

1583
01:08:21,320 --> 01:08:22,560
Speaker 4: the purple and gold. I don't give you ship what

1584
01:08:22,640 --> 01:08:25,960
Speaker 4: you did in maroon and gold and white and blue

1585
01:08:26,000 --> 01:08:27,880
Speaker 4: and all that. It don't matter what what did you

1586
01:08:28,000 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 4: do when you were with purple and gold? If you

1587
01:08:30,840 --> 01:08:33,439
Speaker 4: got two or three rings. Okay, now we talk if

1588
01:08:33,439 --> 01:08:35,679
Speaker 4: you've been in the league ten plus, now we're talking,

1589
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:39,880
Speaker 4: but not the lead the Lakers. I mean we made

1590
01:08:39,880 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 4: it known to Maurice, Maurice Lucas God, God bless him,

1591
01:08:43,280 --> 01:08:47,080
Speaker 4: rest his soul. We had him from Phoenix and at

1592
01:08:47,120 --> 01:08:50,080
Speaker 4: that time we were flying you know, American Airlines Delta

1593
01:08:50,160 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 4: whatever is available, right, and they had eight first class seats.

1594
01:08:53,840 --> 01:08:55,400
Speaker 4: He was like, I've been this league twelve years, but

1595
01:08:55,479 --> 01:08:58,479
Speaker 4: you ain't been with the Lakers, dog, And that's how

1596
01:08:58,520 --> 01:09:01,439
Speaker 4: we talked you this your first ship with the last dog,

1597
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:07,000
Speaker 4: so cool, magic Kareem. We get the first class, start

1598
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 4: your ass in the back. And he was pissed and

1599
01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:16,280
Speaker 4: we was like, school to be pissed, but you.

1600
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 2: Ain't been with the Lakers twelve years in this league.

1601
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 4: So that's how we rolled over him. So you know,

1602
01:09:23,040 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 4: seven years, he's done great. I mean, obviously he's one

1603
01:09:25,800 --> 01:09:27,600
Speaker 4: of the greatest separate it's no doubt about that. But

1604
01:09:28,439 --> 01:09:30,880
Speaker 4: when when you come to Lakers standards, he got to

1605
01:09:30,920 --> 01:09:33,519
Speaker 4: be here three more years and and get another chip

1606
01:09:34,400 --> 01:09:35,719
Speaker 4: to be to have a statue.

1607
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 2: I agree. Child crush was that who was your childhood crush?

1608
01:09:41,760 --> 01:09:47,880
Speaker 4: Childhooush childhood crush. Wow, Pam Greer back in the day,

1609
01:09:48,080 --> 01:09:54,640
Speaker 4: n man, that was my childhood crush. And then it

1610
01:09:54,800 --> 01:09:56,840
Speaker 4: really crushed me when I when I saw Cap with her,

1611
01:09:56,840 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 4: I said, I'd be damned. Karine was like, yo, yeah

1612
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 4: that's my girl.

1613
01:10:02,000 --> 01:10:07,040
Speaker 2: Was like so yeah, Pam, Grid was crushed.

1614
01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:15,000
Speaker 1: One album with no skips, one album with no skips

1615
01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:18,960
Speaker 1: or record or record with no skips.

1616
01:10:21,400 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 2: Ah, that's a tough one. See, I'm such a huge

1617
01:10:25,640 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: brother man.

1618
01:10:28,160 --> 01:10:32,800
Speaker 4: Who was talking about Frankie listening to Bely Yeah, I mean,

1619
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:37,960
Speaker 4: you know, I'm good. I'm gonna just got brother guilty pleasure,

1620
01:10:38,800 --> 01:10:46,240
Speaker 4: guilty pleasure besides golf, No guilty pleasure. Guilty pleasures. Apple

1621
01:10:46,320 --> 01:10:50,040
Speaker 4: pile of mold for me an apple pie. That's my

1622
01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:53,439
Speaker 4: that's my I can't do it often, but that's my

1623
01:10:53,560 --> 01:10:54,320
Speaker 4: guilty pleasure.

1624
01:10:55,200 --> 01:10:57,519
Speaker 3: If you could see one guest on our show, who

1625
01:10:57,560 --> 01:10:59,840
Speaker 3: would it be? But you have to help us get

1626
01:10:59,880 --> 01:11:03,439
Speaker 3: your answer on the show one guest on your show?

1627
01:11:03,520 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 3: Who would it be? Because I love y'all guests. I

1628
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 3: saw I saw the Magic Man on here you know

1629
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 3: ship you know what would be big game? James was

1630
01:11:12,240 --> 01:11:15,040
Speaker 3: a good one. I know, big game. But Larry Bird.

1631
01:11:15,479 --> 01:11:18,679
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, we're trying to contact with him. I would

1632
01:11:18,760 --> 01:11:21,800
Speaker 2: love to see Larry Bird on because he don't talk.

1633
01:11:22,360 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 1: Talk just talk to us one time, l B, that's

1634
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: Larry Bird.

1635
01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,360
Speaker 4: Would be great. I don't know if he does podcast

1636
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,200
Speaker 4: and everything, but I would love to see Larry.

1637
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 2: I made the connection Good said he's going to come

1638
01:11:31,520 --> 01:11:31,920
Speaker 2: on the show.

1639
01:11:32,000 --> 01:11:33,920
Speaker 3: He wasn't ready when we wanted to do it and

1640
01:11:34,560 --> 01:11:37,599
Speaker 3: All Star time last time, but he said he's definitely

1641
01:11:37,600 --> 01:11:37,960
Speaker 3: gonna do it.

1642
01:11:38,040 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 2: So I'm excited. Matter fact, I love to see that. Well.

1643
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:43,920
Speaker 1: By Man, we appreciate you again. I grew up being

1644
01:11:43,920 --> 01:11:45,840
Speaker 1: a huge fan and getting to know you over the

1645
01:11:45,920 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: years as a coach and a man that's been dope,

1646
01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 1: getting to play golf with you. Man, So keep being great,

1647
01:11:50,920 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: keep uh man, just keep being you.

1648
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:55,240
Speaker 2: I will appreciate.

1649
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:56,439
Speaker 1: Like I said, I got to come see wife and

1650
01:11:56,439 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: get get my skin together, so tell her me on

1651
01:11:58,560 --> 01:11:58,800
Speaker 1: the way.

1652
01:11:58,960 --> 01:12:01,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I would tell. And also I'm I'm gonna

1653
01:12:01,160 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 4: bring something for y'all. Uh, I'm gonna get some. I'm

1654
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:06,679
Speaker 4: just you gotta tell me where the son because I gotta.

1655
01:12:06,720 --> 01:12:09,519
Speaker 4: I got a cannabis company in New Jersey. Oh yeah,

1656
01:12:09,560 --> 01:12:11,479
Speaker 4: we'll send you my two.

1657
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 2: I gotta, I gotta. I want to send y'all something real.

1658
01:12:13,720 --> 01:12:16,439
Speaker 1: Quick too before your show and where where they can

1659
01:12:16,520 --> 01:12:18,040
Speaker 1: find it. You got a show now, so talk about

1660
01:12:18,040 --> 01:12:18,360
Speaker 1: your show.

1661
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 4: Oh my show, Byron Scott's Fast Break, that's my podcast.

1662
01:12:21,400 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 4: I gotta get y'all on there too, man, y'all gotta

1663
01:12:23,160 --> 01:12:25,439
Speaker 4: come help you out and bring it. Been on for

1664
01:12:25,520 --> 01:12:27,840
Speaker 4: three three months and you can get into streaming on

1665
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,639
Speaker 4: YouTube and everything, but Byron Scots Fast Breaking. It's been

1666
01:12:30,880 --> 01:12:33,400
Speaker 4: a lot of fun doing that. And like I said,

1667
01:12:33,600 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 4: I love watching y'all show though.

1668
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:37,560
Speaker 3: And shout out. Shout out to his son too. I

1669
01:12:37,680 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 3: was basically with his son Tom. We was the same

1670
01:12:40,640 --> 01:12:44,439
Speaker 3: age and grew up basically grew up together and now

1671
01:12:44,479 --> 01:12:46,439
Speaker 3: we're still doing bench together with the Big three.

1672
01:12:46,520 --> 01:12:48,800
Speaker 2: So shout out his son. That's my boy. I'm a Scott,

1673
01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 2: my boy.

1674
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:51,080
Speaker 1: We gotta get for you, man. We got our little

1675
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,280
Speaker 1: coffee table book and some some knick knacks and Patty

1676
01:12:53,360 --> 01:12:54,200
Speaker 1: Wax and some merch.

1677
01:12:54,320 --> 01:12:57,160
Speaker 2: So yeah you go, brother, Thank you brother. I appreciate y'all.

1678
01:12:57,560 --> 01:13:00,519
Speaker 1: Shout out to our partner, Draft Kings the Crown, it's yours.

1679
01:13:00,800 --> 01:13:03,200
Speaker 1: That's a rap man Byron Scott. You can catch this

1680
01:13:03,320 --> 01:13:05,719
Speaker 1: on the Draft Kings Network and all the Smoke productions

1681
01:13:05,760 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: you too. We'll see y'all next week.

1682
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:14,800
Speaker 2: Paz m hm mm hmmm

1683
01:13:25,080 --> 01:13:25,599
Speaker 1: Mm hmmm,