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Speaker 1: Ron An Aian Ron, why don't you just treat the

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Speaker 1: symptom well? Because it's not that I don't treat the symptom,

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Speaker 1: but I look at the conditions, all right, the conditions

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Speaker 1: create the symptom.

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Speaker 2: Big cars lack one Massidravar.

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Speaker 1: The Car Doctor. Was that cap off when you took

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Speaker 1: it apart before we started?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the line was, there was a line to it.

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Speaker 2: It was broken.

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Speaker 1: It was open, all right, So where's that line now?

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Speaker 1: You just got to kind of hanging out in space?

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Speaker 2: No, I took it off because I couldn't find the

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Speaker 3: Welcome to the radio home of Ron Anian the Car Doctor.

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Speaker 3: Since nineteen ninety one. This is where car owners the

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Speaker 3: world overturned to for their definitive opinion on automotive repair.

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Speaker 3: If your mechanics giving you a busy signal, pick up

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Speaker 3: the phone and call in the garage doors.

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Speaker 1: Are open, but I am here to take your calls

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Speaker 1: at eight five, five, five, nine nine hund and now

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Speaker 1: running has anybody does anybody? Is anybody aware of the

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Speaker 1: AIM Act? The US AIM Act. I was reading about

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Speaker 1: this this week in the trades, the American Innovation and

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Speaker 1: Manufacturing Act. It gives the EPA authority to regulate refrigerants

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Speaker 1: that are being used in vehicle AC systems mobile AC systems.

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Speaker 1: And it's a concern I've got because I've been watching

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Speaker 1: this in the news. You know, we've seen in the

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Speaker 1: coming after our gas stove and you know, our our

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Speaker 1: other appliances that are in the house, dishwashers, they're changing

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Speaker 1: a lot of that, so they're coming out. The EPA

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Speaker 1: has now been given authority as going back to December

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Speaker 1: of twenty twenty that they're phasing down the availability of

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Speaker 1: refrigerants for mobile application and they're increasing the price. I

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Speaker 1: think next year, what are the numbers saying the second

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Speaker 1: next year we're going to see a forty percent reduction

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Speaker 1: in the manufacturing of available refrigerant one thirty four A.

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Speaker 1: So you're going to see the supply go down, you're

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Speaker 1: quick tip to make everybody aware that if you're thinking of,

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Speaker 1: you know, using one thirty four you may want to,

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Speaker 1: little bit but you know, your government hard at work,

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Speaker 1: so I don't know that that's all the answer is.

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Speaker 1: Because the bad side of this is, and I'm not

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Speaker 1: about hurting the environment, folks, but nobody out there is

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Speaker 1: saying what we're going to use in place of one

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Speaker 1: an obvious concern.

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 1: I love these mandates that come down from different places

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Speaker 1: here's how we're going to slow you down from using this.

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Speaker 1: Holy ken, I just want to fix cars. Let's go

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Speaker 1: over to Brian and do just that. Let's go talk

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Speaker 1: to Brian about his ninety nine Chevy Suburban and some

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Speaker 1: transmission issues. Brian, Welcome to the car doctor, sir. How

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Speaker 1: can I help?

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks for taking my phone call.

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Speaker 1: You're welcome.

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, I bought the car new in nineteen ninety eight,

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Speaker 4: so it is old. It has a little over four

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Speaker 4: hundred thousand miles on it now, and at three hundred

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Speaker 4: transmission rebuilding. So subsequent to the rebuild transmission, the drive

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Speaker 4: wasn't perfect. It seemed to search for a gear around

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Speaker 4: more recently it's now it you know, it's it's about

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Speaker 4: into I guess probably changing the second gear. I got

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Speaker 4: a kick in the pants, if you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: It about miles an hour, Sure it bangs and then

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Speaker 4: And then just last week it turned into a situation

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Speaker 4: overdrive or if that's even a thing anymore, or if

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Speaker 4: maybe the torque converter is trying to lock up and can't.

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Speaker 4: I don't know enough about the transmission to say, but

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Speaker 4: cost me about four thousand for the first rebuild, I

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Speaker 4: do love the car. I want to keep it, and

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Speaker 4: I'm not trying to kissel anyone out of their hard

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Speaker 4: Can can this transmission be rebuilt to a reliable transmission?

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Speaker 1: So tell me about the trans shop. These are great questions.

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Speaker 1: And let me tell you something, if you walked into

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Speaker 1: limit whether this trans can successfully be rebuilt. It sort

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Speaker 4: Yeah? The cellar that the guy, the main fellow who

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Speaker 4: rebuilds them. Back when they did the rebuild, I told him,

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Speaker 4: you know, hey, I want to keep this car on

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Speaker 4: the road and I'll pay whatever you think we need

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Speaker 4: to do. And I do trust him, and they said

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Speaker 4: the rebuilds himself because he's good at it and he

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Speaker 4: and that's why they don't order in or rebuild. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I trust them. It's a four L sixty transmission.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, and listen, don't don't don't apologize for the

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Speaker 1: did my trans at fifty five thousand, and you know,

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Speaker 1: So you know, here you are at forty five thousand

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Speaker 1: I think these guys are gonna want to stand behind

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Speaker 4: Two years ago, twelve years ago.

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Speaker 1: So you know, you're kind of on the fuzzy edge

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Speaker 1: My father said at I sat at the kitchen table

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Speaker 1: why are you going back? That job was five years ago.

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Speaker 1: And my father said, you know that you only get

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to want to, you know, take

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Speaker 1: here's what happened. Your Your argument, your argument in conversation

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot you could do unless you were

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Speaker 1: don't think that took place. You know what I'm saying.

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Speaker 1: You don't even change transfluid until fifty or sixty the

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Speaker 1: say to you, Hey, you know, Brian, we want to

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Speaker 1: And I don't think they would have. You know, listen,

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Speaker 1: It could be an accumulator spring that broke, you know.

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Speaker 1: It could be a problem with the torque converter. Our

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Speaker 1: the single biggest problem he faces, the single biggest problem

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Speaker 1: It's just a massive problem. So I would go back

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Speaker 1: can be rebuilt to a reliable standard. Clearly you should

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Speaker 1: get more than forty five thousand miles out of it.

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Speaker 1: Understand that when they rebuild an automatic transmission, they change

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Speaker 1: the wearable parts. They don't replace hard parts. Planetary's input

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Speaker 1: how easily you're not hard on the vehicle. You're not

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Speaker 1: an abusive driver. I'd venture to say, all right, I

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Speaker 1: automatic transmissions, you know, the car gets to one hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty, two hundred thousand, you owe it one. You know,

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Speaker 1: So you got three sixty. You got almost double what

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Speaker 4: I really do one more questions about the transmission. About

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Speaker 4: three thousand miles ago, it started shifting funny and it

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Speaker 4: wouldn't come out of like second gear, I think, And

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Speaker 4: it happened to be during work hours. So I drove

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Speaker 4: it over there and the fellow rebuilds and looked at it,

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Speaker 4: and he found that the transmission was overfilled, and he

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Speaker 4: asked me if I'd done anything to it. I said,

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Speaker 4: I don't remember adding any transmission fluid. I may have

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Speaker 4: replaced the radiator at one point there so that the chance

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Speaker 4: I could have put some in, but I think I

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Speaker 4: replaced it before he did the transmission. So he took

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Speaker 4: the transmission some fluid out and it went back to

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Speaker 4: driving the way it was. And while I've added no

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Speaker 4: more transmission fluid, it's again. I see now drive that

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Speaker 4: it's driving funny. When it's hot, it's got some foam

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Speaker 4: in the transmission fluid and it's high. Uh. I don't

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Speaker 4: know where it's coming from. It's magic.

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Speaker 1: I would I would ask to have The first thing

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Speaker 1: transfluid tested. Is it all? Is it pure transfluid? It

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Speaker 1: likely is. Usually if there's cross contamination from the radiator,

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Speaker 1: the transfluid will get this colored. Okay, if that's if

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Speaker 1: that's partly coolant and transmission fluid. They will discolor each

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Speaker 1: other very obviously, back and worth. But that's an interesting

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Speaker 1: that's an interesting question, and I would bring that up

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Speaker 1: to him again when you go back and talk to him.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, I think he's going to be a good

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Speaker 1: Car with a box of car with a box of

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Speaker 1: all right, let us know your advice. You're very welcome, Brian,

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Speaker 1: good luck. I'm running Any in the Car Doctor. We'll

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Speaker 2: Half done.

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Speaker 2: What's more fun than listening to Ron and Any and

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Speaker 1: Right? Eight five five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

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Speaker 1: Aaron from South Carolina twenty one five to fifty fan

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Speaker 1: clutch circuit problem. Aaron, Welcome to the Car Doctor, sir.

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Speaker 1: I was talking about you in a previous hour. How

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Speaker 2: Hey, it happening. Thanks tacking my call. Tom. Yeah, twenty

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Speaker 1: That you're looking at by those that you're looking at

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Speaker 2: Correct, correct, Yeah, there's actually an engine temperature gauge on

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Speaker 1: Gotcha, okay, And those were.

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Speaker 2: Within a few degrees of two hundred, like it was

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Speaker 2: So it was up to temperature, but it wasn't over.

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Speaker 1: Temperature, all right, So go ahead.

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Speaker 2: I brought it in the deal ship and the guys

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Speaker 2: And then it got worse. So I brought it in again,

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Speaker 1: Okay, here's your argument, here's your argument. You're ready. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: this problem started six months ago. Yeah, it's under warranty

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Speaker 1: as far as I'm concerned.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I brought it in and like this, we

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Speaker 2: something weird. So you guys got to get some technicians

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Speaker 2: to look at it more than just you know, scanning

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Speaker 2: it in this one hundred and thirty six miles past

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Speaker 2: the warrant, no thirty six thousand mile bumper to bumper,

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Speaker 2: and they tried to tell me, oh, that's not covered

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Speaker 2: do you have absolutely?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I listen, and you know they can. What you're

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Speaker 1: know you want to start that conversation because that's nonsense.

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Speaker 1: Do you have do you have receipts showing that they've

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Speaker 1: been working on it since I'm going to guess and

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is like my father said, you only

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Speaker 1: get one chance to annoy a customer, and they're going

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 1: You know how much was that? How much was that

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Speaker 2: That was both well fifty thousand dollars before we put

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Speaker 2: the thirty six thousand dollars worth of equipment onto it.

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Speaker 1: Okay, so it's one hundred thousand dollars vehicle in my mind.

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Speaker 2: Just about yeah, and it's tone about a eighty thousand

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Speaker 1: Right, So listen, I'm gonna play Devil's advocate. How do

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Speaker 2: Well, I know that the fan clutch we've also got

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Speaker 2: it has a six speed rather than ten speed. Right,

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Speaker 2: But that fan clutch only comes on when I'm actually

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Speaker 2: But when the engine rpm gets up there to you know,

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Speaker 1: So you know when it comes on, you know it's on.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, you can't. I mean it's seventy miles

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Speaker 2: You know, it's not doing anything. But you know I

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Speaker 1: So here's the question I've got. That's an electrical viscous

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Speaker 2: Right, I believe it is. And it's about the size

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's huge, right. I wonder what would happen. If

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but isn't doesn't It doesn't the clutch. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's a sensor involved here because they have to know

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Speaker 1: there's a there's a fan speed sensor that's part of

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Speaker 1: if you were to unplug this with the clutch mechanically

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Speaker 1: lock on, because the failure is in the viscous coupling

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Speaker 1: of the clutch itself. Stay where you are, Aaron. When

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Speaker 1: we come back, we'll finish up with you and get

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Speaker 1: after this. Don't go away motorcycle clocome back running in

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Speaker 1: the carduct. Let's get back to Aaron Airon. You're still there, sir,

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Speaker 1: I am, yes, sir, thank you. So if they're saying

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Speaker 1: it's a bad fan clutch, right, the Ford dealer said

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Speaker 1: it's a bad fan.

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Speaker 2: Clutch, that's what they're saying.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, you know, my conversation with them would be, well,

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Speaker 1: since it's an electrically stimulated clutch, all right to turn one.

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Speaker 1: Are they saying that it's not turning off that that

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Speaker 1: that it's mechanically failed and just coming on whenever it wants.

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Speaker 1: My understanding of electro viscous clutch couplings is they apply power,

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Speaker 1: and that will allow fluid to flow or not flow

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Speaker 2: Right, Yeah, that was my and I was just hoping

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Speaker 2: these you know, whether that sensor that's turning it on

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Speaker 2: I don't know if the air conditioning. You know, if

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Speaker 2: it's something in one of the condensers that requires that

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Speaker 1: Right, you know what you're thinking, right, what's the input

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Speaker 1: that's calling for that? You're absolutely thinking correctly, Mike. One

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Speaker 1: of my questions in my head is they've got a

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Speaker 1: faster fans turning. How do they know that's accurate?

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Speaker 2: Is there?

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Speaker 1: I always look at a car in a situation as

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Speaker 1: they clean their room? How many time you tell your

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Speaker 4: Clean?

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Speaker 1: You go upstairs, it's still a mess because you have

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Speaker 1: to go look. There has to be a cause and

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Speaker 1: effect and a response. You know, clean your room, you go, look,

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Speaker 1: the room's a mess. Turn the fan on. You should

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Speaker 1: be able to look at that is the fan on?

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 1: What speed?

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Speaker 2: Is it?

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Speaker 1: Three hundred rpm? How do we know it's three hundred rpm? Right?

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Speaker 3: Is what I was?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's you're right.

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Speaker 2: When I told them that in the in the first

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Speaker 2: I don't think they actually checked me that. So they

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Speaker 2: just checked for any you know, and check engine like

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Speaker 2: second time is exactly the same thing, but no further diagnostics.

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Speaker 2: And I say, Okay, that's not going to cut it.

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Speaker 2: You've got to go a little deeper than that. So

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Speaker 2: rescheduled for this last drop off, and then I dropped

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Speaker 2: it off. And when they called me back, he said

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Speaker 2: it's a fan clutch and it's not under warranty because

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Speaker 2: it's one hundred and thirty six miles out, and I

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Speaker 2: I had to contain myself from getting a little bit uncouth.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, yeah, and you know what, and you shouldn't

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Speaker 1: have to, all right, you're really you really shouldn't have to.

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Speaker 2: So, especially since it was the exact same service tech

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Speaker 1: Press right, so you know, and then and then your

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Speaker 1: argument's going to be and how much is this clutch? Seven?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, then your question is going to be

437
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: and when this doesn't fix it, then what.

438
00:22:23,840 --> 00:22:26,440
Speaker 2: That? That was my questions, like if you're gonna throw

439
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:29,160
Speaker 2: a fan clutch on it without actually having done because

440
00:22:29,160 --> 00:22:30,880
Speaker 2: they did put a computer on it and said, oh yeah,

441
00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 2: it did come on, because like, well what caused it

442
00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:36,080
Speaker 2: to come on? And they didn't have an answer for that,

443
00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:39,520
Speaker 2: so they just saw that it did come on and

444
00:22:39,560 --> 00:22:41,600
Speaker 2: that I said, Okay, that's a fan clutch. And I

445
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,520
Speaker 2: was like, well, if that is the case then and

446
00:22:45,600 --> 00:22:47,720
Speaker 2: it doesn't fix it, you throw that at it. We're

447
00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 2: still have an issue and you're still going to have

448
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,280
Speaker 2: to go fix it. But yeah, it's and like I said,

449
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 2: it's I I've looked online. I haven't found anybody else

450
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,400
Speaker 2: having the same issue. But it's kind of annoying because

451
00:22:58,400 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 2: I do cross country trips with the try right driving

452
00:23:01,080 --> 00:23:04,720
Speaker 2: out to San Francisco, La Port towns in Washington hauling

453
00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,720
Speaker 2: oversized boats and stuff, and the damn thing being stuck

454
00:23:08,760 --> 00:23:11,400
Speaker 2: on all the time when anytime you're over sixty miles

455
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:13,760
Speaker 2: an hours. We bit frustrating.

456
00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:15,600
Speaker 1: And it wasn't It wasn't like that when it was

457
00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 1: new for the longest time.

458
00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 2: Correct, No, you know, it just started acting. We we

459
00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 2: bought the truck in the fall of twenty twenty one,

460
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,359
Speaker 2: brand new, and we didn't get any of the parts

461
00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: to build the body of the winch and all the

462
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,040
Speaker 2: rest of bad stuff, the hydraulic system, and we didn't

463
00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 2: get the boat out of the truck in our possession

464
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: until July, and then last summer we ran it all

465
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 2: summer in the fall hauling season, did a long distanceship

466
00:23:41,800 --> 00:23:45,760
Speaker 2: support towns in Washington with a thirty three foot last winter,

467
00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,320
Speaker 2: and then brand the spring launch season. So I figured

468
00:23:49,320 --> 00:23:51,159
Speaker 2: the summertime, when it's a little bit quiet, when all

469
00:23:51,200 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 2: the boats are in the water, we'd send it into

470
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:55,280
Speaker 2: the dealership and they get it figured out. And that's

471
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,080
Speaker 2: why I told them the first two times.

472
00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,960
Speaker 1: So here's what I wanted each Here's what I want

473
00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 1: you to do, all right, because we can go on

474
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: about this all day. Not that I don't like talking

475
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: to you, but you know, ask them if are you guys,

476
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:09,720
Speaker 1: You got to ask them, are you saying this is

477
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 1: electrical or mechanical? If it's If it's electrical, then are

478
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 1: they saying that the electrical component of the viscus coupling

479
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:22,560
Speaker 1: has failed or that it's being told electrically to do

480
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,560
Speaker 1: something that's not right. And if they say it's mechanical,

481
00:24:26,840 --> 00:24:29,760
Speaker 1: well then you should be able to unplug that and

482
00:24:29,840 --> 00:24:35,119
Speaker 1: have it do it right. Okay, yeah, you know, is

483
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:40,120
Speaker 1: this a mechanical failure? And you know is that the problem?

484
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 4: You know?

485
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:42,600
Speaker 1: And then I want to know about the fan speed

486
00:24:42,600 --> 00:24:44,840
Speaker 1: if it if it doesn't have the ability to look

487
00:24:44,840 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: at fan speed and tell whether or not fan speed

488
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,679
Speaker 1: is correct for what it's doing, And then how do

489
00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:51,520
Speaker 1: we know the fan speed is actually right? You know?

490
00:24:51,640 --> 00:24:54,639
Speaker 1: They if they want to see four hundred revolutions per

491
00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: minute and the fan speed sensors reading too, they're going

492
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: to run it longer and leave it on right yep,

493
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:05,880
Speaker 1: So how are they gonna and listen, they can get

494
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,120
Speaker 1: all these answers from Ford Tech.

495
00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 2: Support, and so I think that uh I did last

496
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:15,440
Speaker 2: time I was in, I did call Ford Tech and

497
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: they did give me a case number, a ticket, a

498
00:25:19,720 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 2: case number, and I gave it to them when but

499
00:25:22,520 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 2: they got the lady that I talked said this is

500
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,000
Speaker 2: going to be done through the dealership Tech service. So

501
00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:31,199
Speaker 2: I gave the dealership to Tech the case number and

502
00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,920
Speaker 2: they said that they you know, but like I said,

503
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 2: when I when they called me to tell me that

504
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: they were replacing the fan clutches. When they told me

505
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:40,479
Speaker 2: that they weren't going to cover it under they were

506
00:25:40,480 --> 00:25:43,200
Speaker 2: only going to cover seventy percent because it was past Wharton,

507
00:25:43,960 --> 00:25:44,600
Speaker 2: they said, So.

508
00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,800
Speaker 1: They listen, listen to me, all right, and then we're

509
00:25:46,800 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: gonna go want When you call them and you talk

510
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: to Ford Tech Support Number one, you tell them you

511
00:25:51,680 --> 00:25:53,560
Speaker 1: talk to me. Not that that'll mean a whole lot,

512
00:25:53,600 --> 00:25:55,359
Speaker 1: but say, listen, I've been calling into this guy on

513
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: the radio. This is at the national level now because

514
00:25:57,760 --> 00:25:59,600
Speaker 1: I know every one of our listeners. It's still tuned

515
00:25:59,640 --> 00:26:01,400
Speaker 1: in once and how this turns out, you can tell

516
00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,000
Speaker 1: them that, all right. They seem to respond to that

517
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: when I explained that to him with my wife's explore.

518
00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:08,240
Speaker 1: Of course I was the one telling them, so you know,

519
00:26:08,280 --> 00:26:10,080
Speaker 1: I hate to play that card, but sometimes you get

520
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 1: so annoyed at their stupidity. The second thing I want

521
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:15,160
Speaker 1: you to ask them is I spend ninety thousand dollars

522
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:16,960
Speaker 1: on this truck. What do you think the likelihood is

523
00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:19,400
Speaker 1: that I'm going to buy another one when I've got

524
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,200
Speaker 1: a problem like this, where the problem happened under warranty

525
00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:24,200
Speaker 1: and it took you guys how many months and how

526
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,560
Speaker 1: many thousands of miles to figure it out? And now

527
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: it's my problem.

528
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:34,320
Speaker 2: Right Yeah, And that twenty twelve with the six seven

529
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,840
Speaker 2: in it at one hundred and forty thousand miles, that

530
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:39,879
Speaker 2: the bosh CP four fuel pump craft the bed and

531
00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 2: did twelve thousand dollars worth of damage to the fuel system.

532
00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: So you got to you gotta tell them I'm on

533
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:47,960
Speaker 1: some sketch. Well, you know, you got to tell them. Look,

534
00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,560
Speaker 1: if Toyota ever builds this truck, you guys are in trouble.

535
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,679
Speaker 1: So I gotta go aeron. Let us know how you

536
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:55,840
Speaker 1: make out. Buddy, all right, I'll.

537
00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 2: Give you a jingle back if we get stuff figured out.

538
00:26:58,000 --> 00:26:59,040
Speaker 2: I appreciate the time.

539
00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:01,640
Speaker 1: Oh, any time, buddy, anytime, Good luck. I'm running any

540
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:19,120
Speaker 1: in the car doctor. We're back right after this. Hey,

541
00:27:19,200 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: rolling along, running any of the car doctor at eighty

542
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 1: five to five five six zero nine nine zero zero.

543
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: Let's go to Tom in Delaware. Tom, welcome aboard, sir,

544
00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:26,640
Speaker 1: How can I help?

545
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:26,960
Speaker 3: Hey?

546
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,960
Speaker 5: Thank you very much, Rod, sir. I'm kind of a

547
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:35,280
Speaker 5: definition of an old shade tree mechanic. I've tried, I've

548
00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:40,639
Speaker 5: probably worked on over twenty different car types in sixty years.

549
00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:44,520
Speaker 5: I recently bought my first brand new pickup truck for

550
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,040
Speaker 5: twenty twenty three F one fifty. I was shocked to

551
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 5: find they didn't even give you an owner's manual for it.

552
00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 5: But there is an a thousand page electronic manual on

553
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,719
Speaker 5: the LCD screen which is the only source of the

554
00:27:59,720 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 5: infra on that car that I was given with it.

555
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:07,320
Speaker 5: So I started going with my computers and looking online

556
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:11,120
Speaker 5: to see if I could obtain a shop repair manual

557
00:28:11,160 --> 00:28:15,640
Speaker 5: for that car. So far, I haven't been very successful

558
00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 5: in the old days. Prior to computers. I either worked

559
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:23,320
Speaker 5: with things like Chilten's or Haynes or you know, half

560
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:27,000
Speaker 5: a dozen other varieties of different repair manuals for various

561
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 5: car types. But I was astounded to find so much

562
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:36,280
Speaker 5: information condensed in the F one fifties LCD screen, over

563
00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 5: a thousand pages. It included every model of the F

564
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:43,000
Speaker 5: one fifty, including the Raptor and the Lightning and everything else.

565
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,760
Speaker 5: So I haven't even been able to find out yet

566
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 5: what is the oil change frequency recommended for that car?

567
00:28:49,360 --> 00:28:55,440
Speaker 5: So far? Do you have any source or aware of

568
00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 5: any source where somebody like me could get a cost

569
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 5: effective shop repair manual and wiring diagrams for that vehicle.

570
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: Okay, let's back up. Are you looking for an owner's

571
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:07,760
Speaker 1: manual or a shop manual or both?

572
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 5: Well, I was looking for both the owner's manuals, just

573
00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 5: to figure out, you know, how to drive the car,

574
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 5: what all the switch physicians were, what the you know,

575
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 5: the generic information that anybody would want. But I was

576
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 5: looking like my poor Vet. When I bought my two

577
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 5: thousand and seven. Poor Vet, I got the Chevrolet Shop

578
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:30,360
Speaker 5: Repair Manuals, which is the whole bookshelf of everything you

579
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:34,080
Speaker 5: need to know, which is what I wanted. And I

580
00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:36,240
Speaker 5: was trying to look for the same thing for this

581
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,760
Speaker 5: Ford f one fifty and the only thing I could

582
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 5: find was a factory manuals dot com that you had

583
00:29:46,360 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 5: to I was still trying to interpret and decipher what

584
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:54,120
Speaker 5: they and what the different users felt about the manuals

585
00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,000
Speaker 5: they got from them. And again, it's not like in

586
00:29:57,080 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 5: the old days. You could go to the OEM in

587
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 5: the back of your MO owner's manual and fine, here's

588
00:30:02,600 --> 00:30:06,040
Speaker 5: how to contact forward to get an OEM.

589
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: Right you would, right, you would write to Helm h

590
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: Elm or whoever was making the books at the time. Yeah,

591
00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: they don't do that the car companies. The car companies

592
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: don't offer printed shop manuals anymore. You're either gonna go online.

593
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna go look at all Data and look at

594
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: an All Data DIY subscription or Mitchell and look at

595
00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:25,560
Speaker 1: Mitchell DIY subscription, and they vary in price anywhere from

596
00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: thirty five to eighty bucks for the year, and it

597
00:30:28,320 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: just becomes part of the process. It's and the reason

598
00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,720
Speaker 1: they do that, Tom is it's just the sheer volume

599
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: of information, you know, it's it's not it's not the

600
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 1: service manual procedures that you know changes it and sometimes

601
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: they do, but it's the amount of bulletins that get

602
00:30:45,280 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 1: published per vehicle because of the amount of electronics that

603
00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,440
Speaker 1: are on vehicles today and the need to you know,

604
00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: update software or change software, or change a diagnostic routine

605
00:30:56,040 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: because once it's been out in the world for two years,

606
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,840
Speaker 1: they find out they had a bad run of XYZ

607
00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:04,640
Speaker 1: part and they need to change how they approach the

608
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: overall repair. I haven't seen a printed shop manual, frou.

609
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,320
Speaker 1: I haven't used the printed shop manual in the better

610
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: part of twenty years. Unless somebody's bringing me something along.

611
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,080
Speaker 5: Well, I was looking for the equivalent and an else

612
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 5: or a DVD or something like that, realizing they didn't

613
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 5: want to send you two hundred pounds worth of books.

614
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,720
Speaker 1: Right, and they don't offer that anymore. They don't do

615
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 1: that anymore. It's like you can't even it's hard to

616
00:31:30,480 --> 00:31:32,720
Speaker 1: buy a laptop now with a DVD player in it

617
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: for that simple reason because everything is online, you know,

618
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: and this is this is technology. I'm kind of stunned

619
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,200
Speaker 1: to hear the part about the shop manual. I get

620
00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: the owner's manual in the vehicle. That to me is annoying.

621
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,160
Speaker 5: There's no yeah. For instance, if you want to drive

622
00:31:49,200 --> 00:31:51,000
Speaker 5: a car, and so you buy a brand new car

623
00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,400
Speaker 5: you haven't bought one in five to ten years, even

624
00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 5: five years, and you get in and you're just trying

625
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 5: to find all the right switches and all the electronics

626
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 5: now that they into the car for all kinds of

627
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: safety reasons that can really screw you up. And then

628
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 5: all the inner I found with this F one fifty

629
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:14,960
Speaker 5: it's an extended cab with the short doors in the back.

630
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,520
Speaker 5: I pulled the seats out of it like I did

631
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 5: in my twenty seventeen Toyota Hybrid or Highlander. And as

632
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:26,280
Speaker 5: soon as I pulled the seats out, all the electronics

633
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,280
Speaker 5: on the safety features with the seat belts in the

634
00:32:29,320 --> 00:32:34,040
Speaker 5: back seat kept getting me warning. So I went and

635
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:36,040
Speaker 5: I went, and I stopped at a four dealership and

636
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,200
Speaker 5: I said, Hey, what's gives with this? So the guys

637
00:32:38,200 --> 00:32:42,479
Speaker 5: couldn't even explain it. So I just figured, well, okay,

638
00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,400
Speaker 5: I got to put all the seat belt wiring back in.

639
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,440
Speaker 5: For instance, my Highlander that was twenty seventeen, I was

640
00:32:49,480 --> 00:32:52,680
Speaker 5: able to take all the back seats out, disconnect all

641
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 5: the wiring, tuck come under the carpets, and use it

642
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 5: as a two seat vehicle as a truck basically, and

643
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,200
Speaker 5: then no problems. When he did that to the Ford,

644
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,640
Speaker 5: I found out you had to reconnect all the electronic

645
00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,000
Speaker 5: wiring and the seat belts in the back seat or

646
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:13,600
Speaker 5: you would have constant alarms going off that the back

647
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 5: seat belts weren't functional.

648
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:18,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're gonna and you're gonna, Tom guy, you're gonna

649
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: find that the newer vehicles all do that, and that's

650
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:25,080
Speaker 1: and that's the issue. So and it all has to

651
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: do with ads and all the safety controls and all

652
00:33:27,280 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 1: the safety features. I would take a look at all data.

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Speaker 1: I would take a look at Mitchell. Perhaps they're going

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Speaker 1: to find your shop manual online as far as the

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Speaker 1: owner's manual, I would suggest, and I'm sure you've already

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Speaker 1: done this, go back to the dealer and ask them

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Speaker 1: is there a source for an owner's manual on DVD

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Speaker 1: or a way to download it off lines? So at

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Speaker 1: least you have a PDF of the shop manual. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: times are a change, and I agree with you. There's

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Speaker 1: nothing like being able to sit at the kitchen table

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Speaker 1: with a cup of coffee and read through the owner's

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Speaker 1: manual on how something operates. Let us know if you

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Speaker 1: find something. Tom, I'm curious, and I'm sure everybody else is,

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Speaker 1: and I wish you luck. I'm running Indy in the

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Speaker 1: car Doctor. We're back right this put back Ron named

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Speaker 1: the car Doctor. Let's let's wind things down with this.

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Speaker 1: An email from Alan Allen's writes, my wife's friend Andrew,

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Speaker 1: she has a twenty thirteen Jeep Patriot two Leader with

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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty thousand miles, was given an estimate

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Speaker 1: for this engine. She was told that air was getting

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00:34:27,600 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: into the engine I told her more info is needed, codes,

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Speaker 1: et cetera. She said she has not been driving with

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Speaker 1: the heat on, or she has been driving with the

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Speaker 1: heat on to keep it from overheating. The engine will

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Speaker 1: be a reman with a three year warranty. Not sure

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Speaker 1: about mileage, your thoughts. And it was a forty one

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Speaker 1: hundred dollars engine. Now I don't know if that's forty

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Speaker 1: one hundred dollars parts in labor Allen or if that's

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Speaker 1: forty one hundred dollars labor Jeep Patriots a little bit

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Speaker 1: involved doing an engine on, but you know, and then

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Speaker 1: where's the engine coming from it? Is it a reputable

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Speaker 1: national rebuilder? What if she's traveling with it? Can she

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Speaker 1: still get its service if she breaks down? And you

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Speaker 1: know she's getting it done in New York State, it

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Speaker 1: looks like if she breaks down in California, is there

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Speaker 1: a warranty going to be a national coverage thing or

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Speaker 1: just what I mean? The alternative if it turns out

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Speaker 1: to be a head gasket is why not put a

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Speaker 1: bottle a kcal ultimate in it. KCl ultimate is rated

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Speaker 1: for head gaskets. It's got a third more cooling seal

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Speaker 1: are in it, we know how good KCAL is here.

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Speaker 1: We talk about it all the time. Matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: we had a customer come into the shop this week,

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Speaker 1: a new guy with a two thousand and one four

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Speaker 1: Taurus with a head gasket issue. He was told by

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Speaker 1: another shop and he was getting prices on engines. I

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Speaker 1: told him to put a bottle a KCAL Ultimate in it.

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Speaker 1: He's coming back next week for the front endwork because

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Speaker 1: CaCl Ultimate fixed his head gasket problem for a whole

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Speaker 1: lot less than having to replace the engine on a

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Speaker 1: twenty year old vehicle. So perhaps you should try that.

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Speaker 1: You'll find it at kcal dot com. Let me know

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Speaker 1: if you need more, But I think that would take

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Speaker 1: some preliminary good first steps. Till the next time, I'm

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Speaker 1: ronning Andy and the guard Doctor reminding all of you

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Speaker 1: good mechanics aren't expensive, they're priceless. See you, s