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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Stephan

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Speaker 1: never told your production of I Heart Radio. Okay, so

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Speaker 1: I have a question for you. What is it? Uh?

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Speaker 1: It kind of has nothing to do with what we're

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Speaker 1: going to talk about, however, somewhat related. Um, what is

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Speaker 1: your best memory of college? Oh? My best memory of college? Well,

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Speaker 1: if it has to be on campus, because I did

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Speaker 1: get to travel a lot to college. I got to

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Speaker 1: because I had to intern every summer in different countries,

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Speaker 1: so that was probably my favorite. Um, and particularly when

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Speaker 1: I was in China, that was probably my absolute favorite.

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Speaker 1: But on campus, UM, I had a my one of

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Speaker 1: my best friends who we met at college, Katie. Um.

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Speaker 1: We had a standing date on Fridays where we'd go

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Speaker 1: to Laporea and I would always get the the and

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Speaker 1: and then I would go We would go to Atlanta Station,

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Speaker 1: which was a movie theater is still there, uh, near

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Speaker 1: could see movies for like three bucks and we would

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Speaker 1: go see it. I mean it could have been we

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Speaker 1: saw every every resident evil like not good movies, Samantha. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I loved it. Um. As you can probably tell

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Speaker 1: from that story, I did not party hard in college.

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Speaker 1: Georgia Tech is not a school that allows for that.

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Speaker 1: But then I also I planned this event, this really

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Speaker 1: I had to fight with the university president. Um, it

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Speaker 1: was in the paper. I'm proud of it. Yeah. Nice.

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Speaker 1: So you also were on some committees and did a

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Speaker 1: lot of events, and funnily enough, Georgia Tech does is

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Speaker 1: a huge Earth Day celebration. Um. I want a microwave

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Speaker 1: at it that I still use. Uh. But I helped

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Speaker 1: I went on to work for that well, it's confusing

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Speaker 1: And then I went on to work for them, and

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Speaker 1: here I am there it is. Yeah, I'm trying to

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Speaker 1: think of my memories. See ruled every one about questions

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Speaker 1: you asked, Samantha, is no that you have to know

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Speaker 1: your own answer. Yeah, I don't because I wasn't a

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Speaker 1: of those because we don't do it now, and it

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Speaker 1: really wasn't on any committees. I think I was really boring.

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Speaker 1: I was very religious, so I did those types of

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Speaker 1: interesting that I I wonder what would happen today I

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Speaker 1: So today we're not necessarily talking about college per se,

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Speaker 1: including reversing of the trans bathroom law and the elimination

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Speaker 1: to look at how more likely marginalized youth were targeted

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Speaker 1: for severe disciplinary actions in the schools. Yeah, so what

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Speaker 1: nine implemented by DeVos, but there are several factors to

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Speaker 1: Biden has promised a big change with education and many

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Speaker 1: And just to put in there, no, your Title nine

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