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Speaker 2: Today I am joined in the studio with the Victoria L. John.

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Speaker 1: I don't feel comfortable with having people work for free

441
00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:11,240
Speaker 1: unless we are like really really close friends. So I'm thankful,

442
00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,440
Speaker 1: Like on day of, I do have a select group

443
00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:15,199
Speaker 1: of friends where I'm like, hey, can you show up

444
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:16,959
Speaker 1: like two hours early and help me like hang up

445
00:20:16,960 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 1: posters and so I've had that, but really it's just

446
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,480
Speaker 1: about trying to plan as early as possible as a camp.

447
00:20:24,560 --> 00:20:26,879
Speaker 1: Like even right now, I'm already planning ahead for the

448
00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:30,040
Speaker 1: Salemon Day party next year. I actually just put out

449
00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:34,000
Speaker 1: a sticker. It says Mercuries and micro Braids, and it's

450
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:35,520
Speaker 1: Sailor Mercury with micro braids.

451
00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:38,960
Speaker 2: Oh my god, the way I need to be in

452
00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,480
Speaker 2: your world, girl, I need to see all this black

453
00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,919
Speaker 2: girl Sailor Moon content because.

454
00:20:44,880 --> 00:20:47,119
Speaker 3: That's the other thing with my podcast.

455
00:20:47,200 --> 00:20:50,719
Speaker 1: It's mainly black and brown women and that makes me

456
00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: so happy because it's like everyone on there is the

457
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:54,680
Speaker 1: same way.

458
00:20:54,680 --> 00:20:55,439
Speaker 3: They're like, I didn't know.

459
00:20:55,720 --> 00:20:57,399
Speaker 1: I had Sweetie on the show actually, and she was like,

460
00:20:57,400 --> 00:20:58,800
Speaker 1: I didn't know there were other black women at the

461
00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,200
Speaker 1: Sailor Moon, and I'm like, we're here here.

462
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,359
Speaker 2: Well, you know Liza when she did her birthday was

463
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:07,400
Speaker 2: it last year? I sent my brother that. By the way,

464
00:21:07,400 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 2: this little if you're watching on YouTube, I have my

465
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,399
Speaker 2: little This is my only I have two pieces of

466
00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,119
Speaker 2: Sailor Moon like merch paraphernalia, and that's one. My brother

467
00:21:18,200 --> 00:21:21,159
Speaker 2: went to Japan and brought that back for me, and

468
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 2: then I have I have this little like makeup kit

469
00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,840
Speaker 2: that I got, Yes, color pop, Yeah, I got this

470
00:21:28,000 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 2: in this clear and style at Alta, I think, and

471
00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:33,280
Speaker 2: I was like, these are not even all my colors,

472
00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:35,639
Speaker 2: but because obviously she's a white girl with blue eyes.

473
00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:39,760
Speaker 2: But but yeah, I got it really just to heal

474
00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:44,240
Speaker 2: myself because something about I mean obviously as a kid,

475
00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,440
Speaker 2: I was always hiding my love and obsession with Sailor

476
00:21:46,520 --> 00:21:50,480
Speaker 2: Moon and like not really feeling I could fully embrace it. Honestly,

477
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,040
Speaker 2: I wish I could go back and just tell my girl,

478
00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: just like, girl, just enjoy it. Where that bring that

479
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,680
Speaker 2: Sailor Moon wand to school and bring that Sailor Moon

480
00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 2: lunchbox and girl, just just just be yourself. But I

481
00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:04,960
Speaker 2: was so self conscious about anything that made me different,

482
00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:08,639
Speaker 2: and everything made me different where I grew up, and

483
00:22:08,680 --> 00:22:12,080
Speaker 2: so and also money, like we never really had money

484
00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 2: for a lot of stuff. So I would salivate over

485
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 2: the toys r rests, like you know, the insert that

486
00:22:18,600 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 2: would come in the paper, or if I ever got

487
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:22,720
Speaker 2: a chance to go in a toys r rust, I'd

488
00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:24,960
Speaker 2: go to the aisle and look at all the toys

489
00:22:25,000 --> 00:22:26,960
Speaker 2: and just like want them, but never felt like I

490
00:22:27,000 --> 00:22:29,440
Speaker 2: could and it's just so funny. Now I'm you know,

491
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,399
Speaker 2: I'm my big age now money. Mama's got the money,

492
00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 2: and it's nice to kind of treat myself once in

493
00:22:35,359 --> 00:22:39,280
Speaker 2: a while. That just something just for me to acknowledge

494
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:40,800
Speaker 2: this the little fangirl inside me.

495
00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I buy way too much merch Now it's become

496
00:22:44,560 --> 00:22:47,879
Speaker 1: a pros that you do. It's it's but now, and

497
00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 1: that's a problem. That the been the issue with the

498
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,080
Speaker 1: podcast now because I'm like, it's for the business.

499
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 2: Oh right, that's true.

500
00:22:56,000 --> 00:23:03,200
Speaker 3: She can content, I can write it off on taxes.

501
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 3: I need it.

502
00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:08,280
Speaker 2: That's true. Well, I'm glad to hear that part of

503
00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 2: the business you have, like you know, the setting up

504
00:23:11,320 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: the LLC and getting the accountant and all that piece

505
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:16,280
Speaker 2: of it. Did that come naturally for you or was

506
00:23:16,320 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 2: that also a bit of a challenge.

507
00:23:19,680 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 1: Definitely a little bit of a learning curve, just because

508
00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 1: it was like the legal leads and taxes and trying

509
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:27,159
Speaker 1: to figure that out, make sure do anything's right. I

510
00:23:27,160 --> 00:23:30,240
Speaker 1: have another friend who has done it before, so I

511
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:31,600
Speaker 1: was like, how did you set up your LLC? She

512
00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 1: was like, here's the side I use, here's how I

513
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: did it. And I'm like, great, thank you, and it's

514
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 1: ink file for anyone who was listening. It was made

515
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:42,440
Speaker 1: the process super easy ink file dot com. But yeah,

516
00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: I think once I start, I decided I want to

517
00:23:45,080 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 1: start doing events. I was like, okay, I actually need

518
00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,800
Speaker 1: to make this an LLC. It's not just a podcast anymore.

519
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,520
Speaker 1: Like if I'm collecting money in these like large scales,

520
00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 1: has to has to be legit.

521
00:23:56,760 --> 00:23:58,760
Speaker 2: She's got to grow, she's got to get her big

522
00:23:58,800 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 2: girl business pants on.

523
00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:00,800
Speaker 3: Yeah.

524
00:24:00,840 --> 00:24:03,080
Speaker 1: Also I want to fly too, because people get particular

525
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,680
Speaker 1: about this. But like Sailor Rood, blonde hair, blue eyes,

526
00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:07,000
Speaker 1: but she's Japanese.

527
00:24:08,000 --> 00:24:11,000
Speaker 2: This is true, This is no, It's very true. I

528
00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 2: never thought of her as Japanese. You know what's weird.

529
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 2: When I was a kid, and this says again just

530
00:24:17,040 --> 00:24:19,080
Speaker 2: I was naive and I was a child, didn't know

531
00:24:19,320 --> 00:24:23,080
Speaker 2: because I'm seeing it a Canadian, right, I didn't even

532
00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 2: know what anime was. I vividly remember my older brother.

533
00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,560
Speaker 2: This feels like when you were told Santa Claus isn't

534
00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:31,959
Speaker 2: real and you're just like broken hearted. For me, that

535
00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 2: moment was my brother told me that Sailor Moon wasn't

536
00:24:34,640 --> 00:24:38,040
Speaker 2: even American and that she wasn't like a girl from

537
00:24:38,040 --> 00:24:41,639
Speaker 2: America that she was, that it was Japanese and that

538
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 2: this was like a voice of a Canadian. He's like

539
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:46,719
Speaker 2: trying to explain it to me, but I felt I

540
00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:52,119
Speaker 2: was like, no, it's not true, you know. And obviously

541
00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: since then I've like learned and stuff, but that was, yeah,

542
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,000
Speaker 2: thanks for pointing that out. And then as the older

543
00:24:58,040 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: I got, you know, I actually moved away from sale

544
00:25:00,200 --> 00:25:03,920
Speaker 2: Moon because I felt like same reason I moved away

545
00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:06,639
Speaker 2: from like my other childhood idols like the Ulsen Twins

546
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:11,119
Speaker 2: and Lizzie Maguire like girl any looking them, and it

547
00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 2: made me feel so shitty. I mean, for myself, I'll

548
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 2: speak for myself. I grew up always feeling like I

549
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,679
Speaker 2: was never gonna be as pretty as or look like,

550
00:25:19,800 --> 00:25:22,000
Speaker 2: or have hair like, or have a body type like

551
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,439
Speaker 2: these these idols of mine. And the more I started

552
00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 2: to like embrace my my body, my hair, my identity

553
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,280
Speaker 2: as a biracial black woman, and you know, just just

554
00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 2: start to fall in love with myself and with us,

555
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 2: I thought, in the process I got to push them away,

556
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 2: like let me just forget about like they're not for

557
00:25:42,520 --> 00:25:47,600
Speaker 2: us anyway. And that's something that I've I think I've

558
00:25:47,640 --> 00:25:51,919
Speaker 2: come around now, like I can embrace that that was

559
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:54,720
Speaker 2: It was a time, honey, you know it still is

560
00:25:54,720 --> 00:25:58,119
Speaker 2: a time and a way without thinking I need to

561
00:25:58,160 --> 00:25:59,879
Speaker 2: look that way, I need to be this way to

562
00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 2: considered pretty and to be powerful, that we do belong

563
00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,160
Speaker 2: and yeah in this space.

564
00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's a big thing in animate too,

565
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: where we because there's so few black people and anime,

566
00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:16,160
Speaker 1: because you know, Japan is homogenous country, so they're just

567
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:20,399
Speaker 1: mainly making Japanese characters that we try to find ourselves

568
00:26:20,440 --> 00:26:22,920
Speaker 1: in other characters, where like a lot of people will say,

569
00:26:22,920 --> 00:26:26,119
Speaker 1: like Piccolo from Dragon Ball Z is black, sale Pluto

570
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:27,879
Speaker 1: has a little bit of melanin, so they're like, oh,

571
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 1: she might be black, and it's like yeah, but no.

572
00:26:34,119 --> 00:26:37,119
Speaker 2: But yeah, characters in Sailor Moon, I can't even think, no,

573
00:26:37,480 --> 00:26:40,199
Speaker 2: there's not any. And then there's like the version that

574
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:44,000
Speaker 2: you see that's been like not just americanized, but like

575
00:26:44,040 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: you take away like some of the sexual identity, some

576
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,119
Speaker 2: of like the you know, some of the political kind

577
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,560
Speaker 2: of stuff that I did not even learn until again

578
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 2: I was older and could get on Google and get

579
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,440
Speaker 2: on fan fiction websites and write I write Sale Moon

580
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,640
Speaker 2: fan fiction. Perhaps perhaps, perhaps you'll never find it.

581
00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 3: Wait, what was the fan fiction about?

582
00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:08,120
Speaker 2: Really don't remember?

583
00:27:09,520 --> 00:27:13,160
Speaker 1: Who's your favorite character? Actually that's the real I really

584
00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:13,639
Speaker 1: need to know.

585
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: Like I've been yapping your ear off, you can ask

586
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:20,280
Speaker 2: you questions now. My favorite Sailor Moon character change is

587
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 2: obviously Serena Usagi, which I learned her name when I

588
00:27:24,920 --> 00:27:27,440
Speaker 2: got into the fanfic world. I learned a lot of

589
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: Japanese through my love. Yeah, so my favorite obviously was Serena.

590
00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:38,320
Speaker 2: And I would I would like go around ask, I

591
00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 2: would ask my sister, and I want to say, like

592
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:42,800
Speaker 2: one of my my only best friend. I'd be like,

593
00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 2: please call me a ditch, like call me. I wanted

594
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 2: to be her, but I was never her. I was

595
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,320
Speaker 2: like so nerdy, I was an Amy, and so Amy

596
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 2: became my favorite and probably still is. Although Ray has

597
00:27:54,400 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: a very special place in my heart, as does Jupiter.

598
00:27:57,760 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 2: It's hard so I would go on that order Amy, Ray, Jupiter,

599
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 2: especially Jupiter now because she's got the very like at

600
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,439
Speaker 2: least this is the I'm basing this off of what

601
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 2: I saw as as a kid in America. I still

602
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,959
Speaker 2: have not watched like I haven't watched the official you know,

603
00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:17,760
Speaker 2: maybe the more true to the original version stuff, But

604
00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 2: the character that she was portrayed as in the US

605
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 2: was very like she liked to cook, and she was

606
00:28:22,560 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 2: like very nurturing and like, I like Jupiter. What's her name, Makato?

607
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 1: Well, in the Japanese she's Makoto. In code English she's

608
00:28:31,920 --> 00:28:33,440
Speaker 1: Lda Lida.

609
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: Forgot her name, but I remember the Japanese. That's how

610
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:37,960
Speaker 2: you know, I'm a look at you.

611
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 3: It's funny. I was gonna.

612
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking Jupiter this whole time because you mentioned

613
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,959
Speaker 1: like cooking and plants, and I was like, oh, this

614
00:28:47,000 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: is giving Jupiter energy because she also likes gardening. So

615
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,960
Speaker 1: and I also feel like she's the unofficial black girl fave,

616
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,520
Speaker 1: like every black girl.

617
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 3: I know is like a Jupiter fan. For the most part,

618
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:58,440
Speaker 3: she was like.

619
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 2: A bad not every but also softens Pez. Yeah, it's interesting.

620
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,360
Speaker 2: I think the way that we love her, we love

621
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 2: the sailor sailor Moon in general. I think in anime

622
00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: or in storytelling in general, characters have to have very

623
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 2: strong personalities, and part of that is so we can

624
00:29:15,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: see a bit of ourselves but or identify or say

625
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: I'm the Amy I'm the Serena whoever, but I really

626
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 2: find pieces of them and Granma Leo, so you know,

627
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: I got some Mina, some Sailor Venas in me.

628
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: Yes, luxdo mask is a Leo, which I always find

629
00:29:32,960 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: what Salor Moon's love interests are Leo's, which I find

630
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: is so funny since my favorite is Sailor Moon. Also

631
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:43,520
Speaker 1: so Serena Zoggi whicheverone. I use all three interchangeably. But

632
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: as I've been doing the podcast and hearing people's reasonings

633
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 1: for their favorites, I'm like, oh wait, that's a good point. Like,

634
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: oh wait, that's a good point too. I'm like, maybe

635
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,239
Speaker 1: they're my favorite, or maybe I like them second. And

636
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: now I'm just like I can make a case for

637
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 1: anybody because they're all like I said, they're also distinct

638
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 1: and different and can really find people you identify with

639
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,280
Speaker 1: or characters you identify with, but also you can pull

640
00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: pieces from everyone. Because as much as I love Sailor Moon, like,

641
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:10,040
Speaker 1: I'm also very nerdy, so I'm like, I'm also Sailor

642
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: Mercury a little bit too.

643
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:14,440
Speaker 2: She was just so helpless until she became Sailor Moon.

644
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 2: You know, like that's but she's also like a child.

645
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 2: She was fourteen and on top of the age gap,

646
00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 2: but the inappropriateness of that. But yeah, yeah, it was

647
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:28,000
Speaker 2: a lot of problematic stuff for the show. I loved Ray.

648
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 2: She was fiery and sassy and like fosty and like

649
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 2: I definitely got I have a piece of myself, like

650
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,560
Speaker 2: a piece of me and all of them, I feel like,

651
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 2: or vice versa.

652
00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:39,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, I feel like that's that's how it goes.

653
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: And then like typically on my podcast, like I talk

654
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,720
Speaker 1: about like I want you heard about me, and like

655
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Speaker 1: why I started my brand, but I want to know

656
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Speaker 1: a little bit about you and why I started Brown Ambition.

657
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Speaker 2: So it was long ten ten long years ago. Just

658
00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 2: seems like, how have I been doing anything for ten years?

659
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Speaker 2: I'm only twenty four right what time I started Brown

660
00:31:01,920 --> 00:31:04,040
Speaker 2: Ambition in twenty fifteen. At the time, I was at

661
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:08,200
Speaker 2: Yahoo Finance personal finance correspondent and writer, So every day

662
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:12,880
Speaker 2: I was writing articles very focused on millennial audience, how

663
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,800
Speaker 2: you know, how to get their finances in order, covering

664
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Speaker 2: the news as related to personal finance. So if there

665
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Speaker 2: was a new piece of legislation paths that could impact

666
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: homeowners or you know, retirees, or whatever, I would write

667
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 2: a story about it. When I was at Yahoo Finance.

668
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 2: I at the time, I was so grateful to have

669
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Speaker 2: a job in general, because I studied journalism in school

670
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Speaker 2: and I was I consider myself a writer first and foremost,

671
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 2: but writing jobs full time are hard to come by.

672
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 2: I grew up in Georgia and I had managed to

673
00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,000
Speaker 2: get my way to New York. But I had had

674
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Speaker 2: some fit I had some like stops and starts with

675
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 2: my career in New York. I got hired at a magazine,

676
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 2: I got laid off, took a pay cut, and got

677
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Speaker 2: a job somewhere. I really did not enjoy myself. I

678
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:00,800
Speaker 2: wasn't getting to write at all, and then and clawed

679
00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: my way back into a writer position. And the way

680
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: that I did that is by finding personal finance and

681
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:10,600
Speaker 2: by really claiming it as my niche and embracing it.

682
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:13,320
Speaker 2: And as I was raised by a single mom, so

683
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 2: financial independence was always important to me, and so I

684
00:32:16,320 --> 00:32:19,440
Speaker 2: really looked at my job as having a cheat code

685
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:23,560
Speaker 2: for financial independence. Like my job is to talk to

686
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Speaker 2: experts all the time who want to talk to me

687
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:28,880
Speaker 2: for free. I don't got to pay nobody, and I

688
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:32,760
Speaker 2: can then share that advice. Yeah, got free the top

689
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: experts from like all these big investment banks and CEOs

690
00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,840
Speaker 2: and their financial advisors and all that stuff. And I

691
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it, and as I was learning so much more.

692
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Speaker 2: At that point, I was three four years into my

693
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 2: career in personal finance. Cereal had come out the podcast,

694
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 2: and a friend of mine was launching a personal finance

695
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 2: podcast of her own. And at the time I knew

696
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: as a writer, I was only going to make it

697
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 2: so far my career, at least, I felt that way.

698
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,760
Speaker 2: I felt like the industry was continuing to evolve. You know,

699
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 2: print in general was still around, but a shadow of

700
00:33:11,160 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: its former self. And cut my company, Yahoo was investing

701
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 2: a ton into video, and I already was pushing myself

702
00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:22,560
Speaker 2: to do more videos. I launched a I pitched a

703
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 2: sixty second minute long video series that I did for them,

704
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:29,720
Speaker 2: and I was really pushing myself to get in front

705
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 2: of a camera. It was so hard. It was very uncomfortable,

706
00:33:33,640 --> 00:33:37,040
Speaker 2: deeply introverted, extremely shy, low self esteem, like no, that

707
00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: girl does not want to be on camera. But I

708
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:43,320
Speaker 2: made myself and then so for me, creating a podcast

709
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,600
Speaker 2: felt like a continuation of my career strategy, which was

710
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: to try to come up with new reasons to be

711
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 2: on the cutting edge or like be on the forefront

712
00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 2: of what storytelling methods were hot at the time. So

713
00:33:57,360 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: I pitched my podcast the same way I pitched the

714
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Speaker 2: Money Minute video series, and Yahoo's executive producer was like, no, no, no,

715
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,879
Speaker 2: we're not doing that. I think because they could see

716
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,080
Speaker 2: a place. They already were doing video, so they could

717
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:16,920
Speaker 2: easily see a way to fit in my video series.

718
00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: No one had done a podcast yet, and there was

719
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:23,240
Speaker 2: no infrastructure for it. They didn't understand how to monetize

720
00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 2: a podcast, so it was a business decision like, we

721
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 2: don't know how to monetize this. You're not bringing us

722
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Speaker 2: a monetization plan. So it's a no, And thank goodness

723
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:35,839
Speaker 2: they did because I did it anyway. Yeah, well, yeah,

724
00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,200
Speaker 2: I did it anyway. And the great thing about that

725
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:41,560
Speaker 2: is I own it completely, So no one's ever been

726
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:44,320
Speaker 2: able to no matter how many times I've switched jobs,

727
00:34:44,320 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: it's been my IP or my former co host and

728
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 2: I are IP together, and then when she left the

729
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:51,919
Speaker 2: show at the end of last year, I got full

730
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Speaker 2: ownership and so it's my baby.

731
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Speaker 1: That is the great thing where because I also went

732
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:03,799
Speaker 1: to started as a journalist and like okay, ended up

733
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Speaker 1: switching careers because of the same reasons, Like it just

734
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: felt so inconsistent and like the industry was just like

735
00:35:12,520 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: always laying people off and it was just like this

736
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,440
Speaker 1: is and it's hard to get full time work or

737
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: health insurance. So that's kind of what one of the

738
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Speaker 1: reasons why I switched into comms and nonprofit work. But

739
00:35:24,120 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think one thing about like having the podcast,

740
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Speaker 1: it's like, no matter where I go, like it's with

741
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,040
Speaker 1: me and I can take it with me and I

742
00:35:30,040 --> 00:35:31,880
Speaker 1: don't have to worry about anyone saying like we're shutting

743
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: down your show, or we don't want to do this anymore,

744
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 1: or you know, you're leaving, but we're keeping the name.

745
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 3: So that is that is nice.

746
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 2: Have you worried or have you have you tried monetizing

747
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,399
Speaker 2: it yet or do you see it as a way

748
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 2: to feed your other businesses, which is driving the revenue

749
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Speaker 2: that you want.

750
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Speaker 1: I definitely with the podcast, I wanted to monetize it

751
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 1: at first but was struggling to And then even though

752
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,560
Speaker 1: this wasn't the sole reason I started doing events, it

753
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:04,840
Speaker 1: kind of helped fund the podcast will now like the

754
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 1: events cover all of my podcast bills, and then I

755
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 1: can also reinvest that money into new events and ideas.

756
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 2: That's it all. Yeah, and then you're gonna add a

757
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: book to that circle. And it's like, yes, it's all

758
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 2: together same, So.

759
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 3: It's really exciting. So I'm like, oh, this is actually

760
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:24,560
Speaker 3: kind of working out.

761
00:36:24,600 --> 00:36:27,880
Speaker 1: So I'm like, maybe I couldn't monetize, but I and

762
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 1: I have like I've had two ads and overall, but

763
00:36:31,200 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: not like consistent monetization and nothing like super huge, but

764
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:39,040
Speaker 1: but I yeah, I love that the events now are

765
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 1: like funding everything. And then it's like adding the books

766
00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:43,920
Speaker 1: and then you know, I'm sure I'll have other ideas

767
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: in the future, and now I'm producing other things, and so.

768
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:47,560
Speaker 2: It's what is the book an event?

769
00:36:47,640 --> 00:36:52,239
Speaker 1: And then I have a comic book. It's a hip

770
00:36:52,239 --> 00:36:55,800
Speaker 1: hop inspired magical girls series, and it's about a rapper

771
00:36:55,960 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: and her entourage or her DJ, her choreographer, her team

772
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,959
Speaker 1: what is it called them, her tour manager, and her

773
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 1: makeup artists. They're all magical girls. They're going on the

774
00:37:09,280 --> 00:37:12,320
Speaker 1: rappers first tour together and they keep running across these monsters.

775
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: They don't know why, and they all have to fight

776
00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:16,640
Speaker 1: them as they you know, go through the store and

777
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:18,239
Speaker 1: forgot why these monsters keep popping up.

778
00:37:18,680 --> 00:37:21,480
Speaker 2: Oh okay, I didn't even know the magical girl thing

779
00:37:21,600 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 2: was like a genre unto itself, but I love that. Yeah,

780
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:27,879
Speaker 2: because you were listing off the names of magical Girl

781
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 2: series and like we need a current one, right, like we.

782
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 1: Like they're similar as that would mean. I mean there's

783
00:37:37,120 --> 00:37:41,560
Speaker 1: been like independent ones, especially comic books, but not nothing

784
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:42,479
Speaker 1: animated yet.

785
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,080
Speaker 3: There was one that went viral earlier this year.

786
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Speaker 1: It's called Please Please, I Don't Want to Be a

787
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,840
Speaker 1: Magical Girl. Super cute. It's about this girl who doesn't

788
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: want to be a magical girl. So she like it's

789
00:37:52,480 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 1: like her nine to five and she's just like, fine,

790
00:37:54,880 --> 00:37:58,400
Speaker 1: I'll transform, let's do this. And then her friend is like,

791
00:37:58,480 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 1: oh my god, this is so cool. I wish I

792
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:02,360
Speaker 1: was a magic a girl. She's like, girl, this is

793
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: just my I just clock in and clock out, like

794
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: I'm just here so I don't get fired. And so

795
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 1: it's really cute. She the creator, I think her name

796
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: is Keana. She posted a short video clip of the

797
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: first episode and it went viral, like it got like

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00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,400
Speaker 1: a million views, on YouTube. I'm sure she is getting

799
00:38:18,680 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: I hope she's getting inundated with like a bunch of deals.

800
00:38:21,840 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 1: But she's working on episode two now, she said on Twitter.

801
00:38:24,080 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 1: And so that's really exciting.

802
00:38:25,760 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 3: And so there's that with a brown girl.

803
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,800
Speaker 1: And then there's a bunch in a bunch of comics

804
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 1: for sure, and like independent comics, it might as well

805
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,720
Speaker 1: be an independent comic.

806
00:38:35,000 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: Actually, I'm so excited for you.

807
00:38:38,840 --> 00:38:41,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so I have I have an artist, Asia full More.

808
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,919
Speaker 1: We worked on the pitch package together and so either

809
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 1: planning to pitch it to a company or kickstart it.

810
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:49,960
Speaker 1: And that's where the process is right now, trying to

811
00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,719
Speaker 1: decide between the two. And actually again on community, I

812
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,360
Speaker 1: have a meeting with one of my friends who's a

813
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,800
Speaker 1: comic book writer on Monday because I need her advice

814
00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,040
Speaker 1: to see what should I do because I'm split between

815
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:01,880
Speaker 1: the two decisions.

816
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 2: Ooh, okay, well, I'm I mean, I'm just as a fan,

817
00:39:05,320 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 2: I'm just like, ooh, I'm curious which where you're gonna go.

818
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,960
Speaker 2: Either way, I'm sure you'll make the right choice. And

819
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: it doesn't have to be like the final one. You

820
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 2: can do it one way and the next time do

821
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 2: it the other and you know, right be how it

822
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 2: goes from there. Okay, now I want you said you

823
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Speaker 2: have some like rapid fire.

824
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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah yeah, fun question into it, yes, okay, fun

825
00:39:23,120 --> 00:39:27,759
Speaker 1: stuff absolutely. Okay. So as a financial expert, who do

826
00:39:27,880 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: you think which sale sent you do you think would

827
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: be the best financial planner or advisor?

828
00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 2: So you may expect me to say Mercury because she's

829
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:39,120
Speaker 2: our girl with advisor and she's always doing her calculations.

830
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 2: But I think the person who's gonna stop you from

831
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Speaker 2: buying crypto and doing dumb shit with your money is Ray.

832
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:47,640
Speaker 2: So I think albody works back of house. Ray is

833
00:39:47,680 --> 00:39:51,000
Speaker 2: front of house like she is, you know, calling the shots.

834
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Speaker 3: So I go Ray, I love that.

835
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Speaker 1: Yeah, No, I think that is that makes so much

836
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Speaker 1: sense because you need both. You definitely need someone because

837
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:04,279
Speaker 1: Ray may not have the uh temperament to like sit

838
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:06,600
Speaker 1: down with computer to like crunch in the numbers. But

839
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,440
Speaker 1: she's gonna be like, don't fall for that crypt.

840
00:40:09,120 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 2: And he's gonna be talking too high level. You're gonna

841
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: tune out. You know. Ray's gonna tell you in a

842
00:40:13,440 --> 00:40:17,439
Speaker 2: way that you can understand. Girls, don't put the cryptove down.

843
00:40:17,640 --> 00:40:19,680
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, you don't need bitcoin. Have

844
00:40:19,719 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 2: you seen your credit card statement? That's what you need?

845
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 2: From Ray?

846
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 3: Yes, I like this a lot. I like this a lot.

847
00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 1: Another thing too is take just Jen in general? What

848
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 1: else do you stand? So like, I'm sure a lot

849
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: of people know you for finance. We're talking about sailor

850
00:40:33,719 --> 00:40:36,160
Speaker 1: Moon now, but like what else? I also say, like,

851
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,280
Speaker 1: I'm a Beyonce fan, and I also love Boyme's World.

852
00:40:38,800 --> 00:40:40,760
Speaker 1: It's not behind me, but I just love boy Mee's World.

853
00:40:40,760 --> 00:40:43,880
Speaker 2: I've seen them, I've seen the I can't find that album.

854
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: I don't know why. I didn't really know Vinyls. We're

855
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,160
Speaker 2: covering a thing again, but I can't find the Renaissance

856
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 2: silver Horse album. Where is it? What else do I

857
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:55,439
Speaker 2: would definitely Beyonce Stan. I'm a real dough chi Stan. Now.

858
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,880
Speaker 2: I love getting to watch I mean, I know I'm

859
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: not I'm not a day one day. Oh she's saying

860
00:41:00,560 --> 00:41:02,760
Speaker 2: I don't know about her mixtapes or none of that stuff.

861
00:41:03,040 --> 00:41:05,920
Speaker 2: I've only knew her from Alligator Bites, never heal and

862
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 2: I am. I mean like, there's only a few concerts

863
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 2: that are performances that I will rewatch like it's like

864
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 2: a tick or something and her Grammy's performance from earlier

865
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 2: this year. Oh my god, I just got a fast

866
00:41:20,120 --> 00:41:22,920
Speaker 2: forward through Ben's and Boone and that sequin jumpsuit doing

867
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 2: backflips just to get to Tochi. I'm like, oh no,

868
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,360
Speaker 2: if I got to the dude with the big with

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Speaker 2: the bald head and the tat face, tats, I went

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00:41:30,280 --> 00:41:31,759
Speaker 2: too far. And if I you know, if I'm mo

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00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 2: on Benson, I gotta keep going. It's so good. And

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00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,240
Speaker 2: I just I just got a ticket to her Atlanta

873
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:40,160
Speaker 2: show for her tour, so I'll be in I'll be

874
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: in Atlanta in October for that because for some reason,

875
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: she's not in New York. Rude.

876
00:41:44,960 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was surprised at that.

877
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: I was going to go to Boston, but I decided

878
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,879
Speaker 1: against it because I did see her for a tour

879
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: last year.

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00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 3: And so I was like, all right, I've seen her

881
00:41:52,719 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 3: and I need to see her. But I really want to.

882
00:41:55,480 --> 00:41:57,359
Speaker 2: I just think it's gonna be an epic show. I'm

883
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 2: so excited. And other than that, yes, stand my children

884
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: and I stand gardening. Gardening is my oasis, my meditation,

885
00:42:07,320 --> 00:42:10,239
Speaker 2: my therapy. I just yeah, I love it.

886
00:42:11,640 --> 00:42:14,040
Speaker 1: But yes, I always like to ask that question on

887
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,800
Speaker 1: my show, just because I feel like so many people

888
00:42:15,840 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 1: know us for one thing, but we love a lot

889
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: of things, and then we contain multitudes and also so

890
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: typically like I don't know if you remember, but on

891
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: the original English dub, at the end of every episode

892
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,840
Speaker 1: there was like a PSA or sailor moviegase, Sailor Moon says,

893
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 1: and if you like do your homework or don't like

894
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 1: be means of people? So what with your sailor, Moon says,

895
00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: piece so sailor Mandy says.

896
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 2: Sailor Mandy says, your net worth is your network, and

897
00:42:47,160 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 2: just negotiate, Just do it. You got to negotiate.

898
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:55,680
Speaker 3: That good perfect and you can do the if you want.

899
00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:59,640
Speaker 2: But says, bitch, don't play negotiate.

900
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,439
Speaker 3: That's perfect. That's the Ray Moon.

901
00:43:03,880 --> 00:43:07,719
Speaker 2: Mandy Moon. I'm very basic. I love alliteration. Mandy Moon says,

902
00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:11,080
Speaker 2: literation's amazing. Negotiate and if you don't know how, listen

903
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:11,720
Speaker 2: to brown ambition.

904
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:15,760
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, yes, yes, Oh my god, that's so perfect.

905
00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: And I need that too, because again, as an introverted

906
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,319
Speaker 1: person who also like has social anxiety and all these

907
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 1: things like doing a business and being like, oh, I

908
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,759
Speaker 1: need to negotiate and I'm like, oh, I don't want to,

909
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: Like I don't I'm a people pleaser. This goes against this,

910
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:32,759
Speaker 1: but it's like, no, I need to because I need

911
00:43:32,800 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 1: to be a businesswoman. I need to put my business

912
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: woman hat on.

913
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:36,919
Speaker 2: So true.

914
00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:37,759
Speaker 3: I needed to hear that.

915
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:40,400
Speaker 2: Oh anytime, Yeah, you teach me how to throw a

916
00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 2: party for myself, I can teach you how to negotiate

917
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: with them, vendors, them, event spaces, whatever you need with

918
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:51,040
Speaker 2: your contractors. Yes, yes, I'm so proud of change. I'm

919
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 2: so proud of us for being like introverted social you know,

920
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 2: anxiety queens, but still pushing ourselves out of our comfort

921
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,479
Speaker 2: zone because we believe and when we have to say

922
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,560
Speaker 2: and we believe, it's worth getting over that to do it.

923
00:44:03,600 --> 00:44:09,480
Speaker 2: And I'm just proud of us. Oh yay for our

924
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:14,640
Speaker 2: inner child who would not believe, right, would not believe.

925
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:15,400
Speaker 3: Look at us.

926
00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:17,600
Speaker 2: Did we keep on my inner child's like, did we

927
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:18,560
Speaker 2: keep the lunchbox?

928
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:18,799
Speaker 1: No?

929
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 2: Boom, I'm sorry we got rid of it, but it's

930
00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:23,000
Speaker 2: right here.

931
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 3: It's in our hearts. The lunchbox is in our hearts.

932
00:44:26,719 --> 00:44:29,319
Speaker 2: Well, Victoria, thank you. I can't thank you enough for

933
00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,279
Speaker 2: coming on the show. I'm so glad that you came

934
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,439
Speaker 2: up and said hello when you did. And if that's

935
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: you when you see me out in the wild, please

936
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:41,479
Speaker 2: say hello and I will do the same. NBA fam,

937
00:44:41,520 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 2: I hope you go check out sale Moon Fan Club

938
00:44:44,400 --> 00:44:46,680
Speaker 2: and even more like, where can people find out about

939
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 2: your events? We need to get on that mailing list?

940
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 2: How are we staying in the now?

941
00:44:51,719 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: So you can sign up for the mailing list on

942
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: sale munfanclub dot com.

943
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 3: That's a podcast site.

944
00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:59,040
Speaker 1: You can also follow me at or the Mooney's Club

945
00:44:59,040 --> 00:45:02,680
Speaker 1: at Mooney's Club on Twitter and Mooney's Underscore Club on Instagram.

946
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:05,480
Speaker 2: You're gonna put all of that information in the show notes.

947
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 2: Y'all can go check out your work.

948
00:45:07,960 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 3: Where can my fans find you?

949
00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,719
Speaker 2: Brown and Bish, thank you? I forgot We're dual. We're

950
00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:16,919
Speaker 2: Taming Brown Ambition podcast. Please listen. We come out three

951
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 2: times a week. And if you enjoyed this conversation with

952
00:45:20,480 --> 00:45:23,000
Speaker 2: me and Victoria, that's exactly how I do every show.

953
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 2: It is not your it is not the Amy Sailor

954
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 2: Mercury version of a career and finance show. It is

955
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: Giving Ray, it is Giving Sailor Venus it's giving Serena.

956
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 2: We're having fun. Okay, Amy's invited, but we say her

957
00:45:38,400 --> 00:45:43,560
Speaker 2: over there, like Amy, the girls are not ready for calculus. Okay.

958
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 2: It's really meant to be a fun chat show. And

959
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 2: so we do the main show on Wednesdays, the Brown Table,

960
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 2: which is me with a couple of panelists. We're chatting

961
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:57,000
Speaker 2: about the days, the week's news and headlines, if it

962
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,960
Speaker 2: applies to women of color and our wallets are career

963
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 2: or our lives in general. We're talking about it, and

964
00:46:02,640 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 2: then we do question and answer on Friday, so you

965
00:46:05,200 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 2: can actually submit a question get an answer on the show.

966
00:46:07,960 --> 00:46:11,000
Speaker 2: And then Sunday, like this episode is wash Day Woo Saw,

967
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,440
Speaker 2: So on Sunday, I usually pick a fabulous queen and

968
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:18,200
Speaker 2: we chitchat about their careers and how they made it

969
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 2: to wherever there are and how they're getting to where

970
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 2: they want to go, and it's just a nice it's

971
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 2: a nice Woo Saw moments. Why I call it wash

972
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,640
Speaker 2: Day Woo Saw. Like we're doing our deep condition, we're

973
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 2: cleaning the house, we're kind of getting set for the

974
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 2: week ahead, and you want something to listen to, and

975
00:46:31,920 --> 00:46:34,239
Speaker 2: it's kind of the perfect companion for that, so I

976
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 2: hope you'll check me out there. You can also follow

977
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: me personally at Mandy Money m A N d I

978
00:46:40,200 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 2: Money on Instagram and everywhere else but yeah, Brown Ambitions,

979
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:44,840
Speaker 2: Where is that?

980
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 3: Guys?

981
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,360
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, definitely check out Mandy y'all. And it was

982
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:51,920
Speaker 1: still great recording with you as well.

983
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:56,440
Speaker 2: We did it, We cope produced, We did pick come

984
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 2: up to you all right, all right, moonies and okay

985
00:46:59,400 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 2: okaba fam. We'll see y'all next time. Bye,