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Speaker 3: Draft opening night twenty twenty four, we'll go to Brian
Speaker 3: Sexton and Detroit in about five minutes from Draft Central
Speaker 3: to get the latest from downtown Detroit ahead of the
Speaker 3: draft Round one this evening. And then a little later
Speaker 3: about four thirty Bucket Brooks in Los Angeles joining us.
Speaker 3: We're on ten Toenexlam Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube JP
Speaker 3: Shadick with Jeff Logman and Tony Biselli. And here we
Speaker 3: are on this beautiful night inside EverBank Stadium ahead of
Speaker 3: the Duval Draft Party. Twenty twenty four. Should be an
Speaker 3: epic night, guys, Yeah, and I'm looking forward to it.
Speaker 3: You know, Look, the draft represents a lot of hope
Speaker 3: for every football team that there is tonight, all thirty
Speaker 3: two of them are hoping that they're going to be
Speaker 3: able to get better, and every team's feeling really good
Speaker 3: about themselves, will be even feeling better for the most
Speaker 3: part about themselves after tonight.
Speaker 2: What do you think, bo, Well, I think we got
Speaker 2: a great night. How about the West weather perfect?
Speaker 5: It's perfect, It's I got the stadium set up for
Speaker 5: the fans, and I think Jeff's right. I mean, this
Speaker 5: is the time of year where everyone is hopeful and
Speaker 5: you're trying to find that piece or multiple pieces that
Speaker 5: kind of help you improve over whatever you did last year,
Speaker 5: whether that's you know, trying to make the playoffs, trying
Speaker 5: to win a division, you know, whatever that goal or
Speaker 5: standard is. As a fan base, ultimately it's to win
Speaker 5: the whole dang thing. And this is a This is
Speaker 5: one of those things where this is one of those
Speaker 5: dates on the calendar you're like, oh, okay, it's about
Speaker 5: everyone can get excited. So during the season, you know,
Speaker 5: every weekend, only half the teams are excited at the
Speaker 5: end of the weekend, But tonight going in, everyone will
Speaker 5: be excited and then they'll be the handful of fan bases.
Speaker 5: It'll be booing with the pick, but most will think they.
Speaker 2: Got their guy.
Speaker 3: I remember he look, I got booed.
Speaker 2: I remember watching them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think everybody got booed from being a
Speaker 3: pick with New York Jets.
Speaker 2: But that's a that's a tradition. But you know, the.
Speaker 3: Perspective that we're given is kind of one from being
Speaker 3: a fan of the team and also, uh maybe a
Speaker 3: little bit of a look of somebody that's a little
Speaker 3: bit more of a fan of a team like me
Speaker 3: and Tony. But from the perspective of the players tonight
Speaker 3: is anxiety ridden, you know. I mean, you don't know
Speaker 3: where you're gonna go unless you're Caleb Williams or Jayalen
Speaker 3: Daniels or May. I mean, a lot of these guys
Speaker 3: have a pretty good idea that they're going to go
Speaker 3: at the top of the draft, but once you get
Speaker 3: past that, everybody else is like, I don't know what
Speaker 3: my future holds, and a lot of guys are also
Speaker 3: looking at I don't know if Tony did this, but
Speaker 3: I did. I mean I think everybody does at some
Speaker 3: point when you're a potential draft pick, is you're looking
Speaker 3: at what the financial future is gonna hold and you know,
Speaker 3: where am I going to be number one? And what
Speaker 3: are they going to ask me to do? And then
Speaker 3: what does the money look like on the slot that
Speaker 3: I'm gonna get picked? And that's you know, and there's
Speaker 3: a lot of fun involved in that. But there's a
Speaker 3: lot of anxiety.
Speaker 5: Yeah, there is anxiety, There's no doubt about it. And
Speaker 5: depending where you get picked, that anxiety can well.
Speaker 3: You didn't have much anxiety. It was quick.
Speaker 5: It was a quick anxiety. I was fourteen. I had
Speaker 5: a wait a little while. But even even the guys
Speaker 5: who you know, yes, the first round is tonight, but
Speaker 5: guys who are going to go in the second, third
Speaker 5: round and they're you know, some guys who are gonna
Speaker 5: end up in the second round are hoping that they're
Speaker 5: gonna get picked the night they'll be disappointed. Guys who
Speaker 5: thought maybe they were going to be a second round
Speaker 5: or get pulled up, you know, their excitement.
Speaker 2: But I think what it also represents is.
Speaker 5: The fulfillment of a bunch of guys dreams and the
Speaker 5: goals that they have set. I mean, I think all
Speaker 5: of us who play, or most of us who played
Speaker 5: in this game as a kid, you dreamed about doing it,
Speaker 5: and this is what you wanted to do, and you
Speaker 5: had success in high school. Then you go to college
Speaker 5: and you have success in college, and whether you're a
Speaker 5: first rounder or a mid rounder, you have a sense
Speaker 5: you're gonna get drafted. And this is the weekend where
Speaker 5: though all the hard work, the long journey to get
Speaker 5: there is kind of fulfilled and you wake up whether
Speaker 5: it's after tonight or after this weekend, like I am
Speaker 5: now an NFL player, and it starts a whole new journey.
Speaker 5: And I think that's also with this represents night on
Speaker 5: the player side.
Speaker 3: Now let's touch on this. We've got the whole hour
Speaker 3: here to get to the needs and what they could
Speaker 3: do at seventeen moves and possibility. But in general, Trent
Speaker 3: Balky and the person and el staff did a lot
Speaker 3: of work in free agency to fill some holes with
Speaker 3: some veteran players. Eric Armstead comes in, a defensive line,
Speaker 3: Mitch Morris just to name a couple couple of secondary players.
Speaker 3: So in your opinion, how does that set up the
Speaker 3: needs now for the Jaguars going into this draft. What
Speaker 3: are maybe one, two, and three. Well, I think for
Speaker 3: the most part, you did a good job in free
Speaker 3: agency of filling those holes, and I think every team
Speaker 3: wants to do that for the most part, is fill
Speaker 3: the holes that you have going into the draft so
Speaker 3: that you can end up picking the best available player.
Speaker 3: The one hole that the Jaguars did not plug I
Speaker 3: don't think in free agency was the defensive back spot.
Speaker 3: When I say defensive back, I'm talking about for the
Speaker 3: most part, corner. You know, this is a passing league,
Speaker 3: this is a nickel league, this is a dime league.
Speaker 3: You need as many corners as you possibly can. And
Speaker 3: you release Darius Williams and you replaced him with a
Speaker 3: guy from Baltimore. Okay, I understand that, But even last
Speaker 3: year with Darius Williams, you were searching for that guy
Speaker 3: to be the third sure thing and you really didn't
Speaker 3: have it, and it ended up being a whole bunch
Speaker 3: of different guys that played at some point. So I
Speaker 3: think that's probably the number one need that really jumps
Speaker 3: out as corner. And then Tony and I both kind
Speaker 3: of had the same opinion. We felt that this team
Speaker 3: needed to get better and more physical upfront with the
Speaker 3: offense and defensive lines. And I'll let Tony speak more
Speaker 3: to the defensive line. But I still think there's a
Speaker 3: glaring need for this football team on the defensive side,
Speaker 3: whether it's inside or outside. The more dogs that you
Speaker 3: can get to get after the quarterback, the better off
Speaker 3: that you're gonna be. And again, I don't care if
Speaker 3: it's edge or inside.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they addressed Nickel Savage. I mean, at
Speaker 5: the end of the day, yes, his position says safety,
Speaker 5: but if you go watch him at Green Bay, he
Speaker 5: was a nickel player. I mean that's really where he
Speaker 5: spent a bunch of his time, and that's more of
Speaker 5: his build as well. They need the outside corner. Jeff's
Speaker 5: right about that with Darius Williams and coming back, I
Speaker 5: still go back to if you look at this team
Speaker 5: last year, which where was the biggest void or where
Speaker 5: did they struggle the most? And in my opinion, that
Speaker 5: isn't being physical. I'm both lines of scrimmage and I'm
Speaker 5: going to focus on the offensive line because we could not.
Speaker 5: We were one of the worst teams in third and short.
Speaker 5: We were not very good in the goal line. Are
Speaker 5: your arts per carry? Dwindled as the year went on
Speaker 5: and we struggled to control line of scrimmage, especially against
Speaker 5: some of the more physical teams we played in the
Speaker 5: back half of the.
Speaker 3: Year, which there's a number of them in the division.
Speaker 2: And there's a number of those in the division.
Speaker 5: So if you look at that group, I like the
Speaker 5: Mitch Morris the signing, and he's a veteran hard nos
Speaker 5: guy who knows how to play the game. I think
Speaker 5: that's a good addition in the center. But it's pretty
Speaker 5: much this you know, usual character cast of characters. Besides that,
Speaker 5: and we are not a big group of people as
Speaker 5: far as offensive line goes. If you look across the league,
Speaker 5: and I think that's your start in five and so
Speaker 5: I don't think Trent and Doug will go in the
Speaker 5: first round with an offensive linement. But I still think
Speaker 5: over draft weekend that is a position group that you
Speaker 5: have to build depth young guys, big physical guys on
Speaker 5: the offensive line as well as the defense line. I
Speaker 5: agree with Jeff Eric Armstead, great signing, but all Eric
Speaker 5: Armstad is also highly productive, very good player, but also
Speaker 5: coming off injuries and getting up there and getting an
Speaker 5: age and so you know, how long can he perform
Speaker 5: at the level I hope for a long time and
Speaker 5: if we can get you know, three years a little
Speaker 5: bit like Clay's game awesome because he's a top notch player.
Speaker 3: But still, I'm not shutting any bodies. I'm not shutting
Speaker 3: the door on offensive line.
Speaker 2: Though in round one. Yeah, in round one, you're not.
Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not. We'll come back to that in
Speaker 3: just a little bit.
Speaker 2: By the way, I like it. Yeah, I'm with you.
Speaker 3: I'm always with me.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I just don't think that's where they're
Speaker 2: gonna go.
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Speaker 1: Let's go to.
Speaker 3: Downtown Detroit, Michigan. Brian Sexton is standing by at Draft
Speaker 3: Central and it's been a long time coming for the
Speaker 3: city of Detroit. Brian, good afternoon.
Speaker 1: Hey how are you guys.
Speaker 6: Let me tell you, obviously this is a town that's
Speaker 6: very proud of the Lions. The last couple of seasons,
Speaker 6: and everywhere you look there's a sea of Lion blue.
Speaker 6: I'll let you guess what most Lions fans have said
Speaker 6: to us and our crew when they've seen the Jaguar logo, right,
Speaker 6: thanks for Hutchinson. They're a little sparse, spicy, they have
Speaker 6: a lot to say. So it's a kaleidoscope of NFL
Speaker 6: fans here the Draft. It left New York after the
Speaker 6: twenty fourteen season and went to Chicago and Philly and
Speaker 6: Dallas and Nashville, and you guys know, it's become an
Speaker 6: epic event. I mean, fans just flooding from all over
Speaker 6: the country. It feels sort of like a mini Super
Speaker 6: Bowl week in terms of the events and the people
Speaker 6: in the places.
Speaker 1: This place is going to be hopping tonight.
Speaker 2: Brian.
Speaker 3: It looks like the weather in Detroit is just custom
Speaker 3: made for a little outdoor event in the Draft. It
Speaker 3: looks like everybody is light jacket and the weather and
Speaker 3: everything else looks to be good, and the skies are blue.
Speaker 6: Listen, the NFL yesterday was worrying about it because it
Speaker 6: was forty degrees with a wind chill that felt like thirty,
Speaker 6: and it was as gray as could be. It felt
Speaker 6: exactly like you'd expect the Upper Midwest to be in
Speaker 6: late April, and of course, with the draft going to
Speaker 6: Green Bay next year, it wasn't looking too good. This
Speaker 6: is a Chamber of Commerce day, as folks have filed in,
Speaker 6: and I have to tell you we were at the
Speaker 6: player event yesterday with the prospects, a lot of national
Speaker 6: media there, and all the talk here is is that
Speaker 6: the Jaguars are going to get a shot at one
Speaker 6: of those two corners.
Speaker 1: There's two teams to.
Speaker 6: Watch, Philadelphia, which currently is behind the Jaguars, and the Colts,
Speaker 6: which currently are two spots in front of the Jaguars.
Speaker 1: Just depending on.
Speaker 6: How the board rolls out with quarterbacks, if Michael Pennix
Speaker 6: goes in the top fifteen picks, it's likely that one
Speaker 6: of these two kids, either Quinyan Mitchell or Terry and
Speaker 6: Arnold will be sitting there at seventeen if that's the
Speaker 6: angle the Jaguars want to go.
Speaker 1: I had the chance to talk to both of them yesterday.
Speaker 6: They're impressive young men, both Floridians, by the way, Terry
Speaker 6: and Arnold from Saint John Paul the Second High School
Speaker 6: in Tallahassee and Mitchell from Williston, Florida, about twenty miles
Speaker 6: south of Gainesville.
Speaker 1: So both of them are eager to come home.
Speaker 6: Both of them possessed the sort of qualities that can
Speaker 6: play press even if neither one of them played press
Speaker 6: predominantly in college, and they're thought to be the top
Speaker 6: two corners right behind them, there's a surge right now
Speaker 6: for Cooper to Jean who is one of those Swiss
Speaker 6: army knife guys, and he ran faster than both of
Speaker 6: the Alabama cornerbacks at the combined. And then Nate Wiggins
Speaker 6: from Clemson, who I was told yesterday is a guy
Speaker 6: that probably finds his way into the bottom of the
Speaker 6: first round even though he's only one hundred and seventy
Speaker 6: five pounds. He's got blazing speed, ran a four point
Speaker 6: two eight, and most NFL teams think he's guy that
Speaker 6: can recover if he gets beat off the line of scrimmage.
Speaker 6: So all the conversation here regarding the Jaguars and everything
Speaker 6: between about fifteen and twenty.
Speaker 2: Has been cornered Brian.
Speaker 5: Every draft weekend there's a buzz or there's a story developing,
Speaker 5: Guys falling rising.
Speaker 2: What are you hearing in Detroit?
Speaker 5: Any big news come in over the last twenty four
Speaker 5: to forty eight.
Speaker 6: Hours, Really, Tony, the story has been the quarterbacks. You
Speaker 6: figure there's four that are taken near the top ten.
Speaker 6: And then does the kid from Washington Pennix Junior. Is
Speaker 6: he the guy that goes? And the story is he's
Speaker 6: probably gonna go thirteen to the Raiders who don't want
Speaker 6: to miss a chance. They don't want to get cute
Speaker 6: and back up into the first round and take a
Speaker 6: chance on losing him. There's three teams that everybody's looking
Speaker 6: at to see if they might make noise and move
Speaker 6: up at quarterback, and those are the Giants are one,
Speaker 6: the Minnesota Vikings are two, and then the third team
Speaker 6: is the Denver Brown Goes. All of them are in
Speaker 6: the quarterback market. They're really the ones that are the
Speaker 6: tipping points. But we've been to these drafts where there
Speaker 6: are players who have fallen hard on draft night, and
Speaker 6: there's no story brewing, at least not at this point
Speaker 6: about somebody.
Speaker 1: Who is not going to get drafted tonight.
Speaker 6: And by the way, it's interesting there's only thirteen players here.
Speaker 6: The number has dropped the last couple of years post
Speaker 6: COVID but it's only thirteen, which is a really low
Speaker 6: number for a league that's used to having a full
Speaker 6: stage and players walking across and embracing the commissioner.
Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little light tonight.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 5: Part of the reason for that is I remember when
Speaker 5: I was, you know, got invited to New York before
Speaker 5: I knew I was gonna pick. My biggest fear was
Speaker 5: and I think guys watched the draft and they see
Speaker 5: guys sitting there camera on them sliding out of the
Speaker 5: first round.
Speaker 2: You talk about being miserable.
Speaker 3: That's not the fear anymore.
Speaker 2: Do you think it's the money? It's the money you
Speaker 2: think they're getting paid to go other places?
Speaker 3: And I'm being totally honest here. Okay, you're putting on
Speaker 3: Brian and you probably would agree with me. The NFL
Speaker 3: is putting on one heck of a production that's generating
Speaker 3: great TV ratings and attracting these first round pick players
Speaker 3: or trying to attract them to the event in Detroit.
Speaker 3: They have never paid the players in the past. They've
Speaker 3: just paid for their expenses in not first class airfare.
Speaker 3: Why would you not go ahead and pay the players
Speaker 3: to be there at an event like this to even
Speaker 3: generate bigger TV ratings. I don't quite get it. They
Speaker 3: gave me first class tickets, Yes, you got a good agent.
Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get paid? No, but pay the guys.
Speaker 3: Pay the guys. But the biggest story of the draft,
Speaker 3: in Brian, you hit it right on the head. It's
Speaker 3: going to be the quarterback situation. And that's really good
Speaker 3: for the Jaguars because if all of a sudden, at
Speaker 3: seventeen they've had six quarterbacks to get drafted ahead of them,
Speaker 3: that's going to push a boatload of talent down to
Speaker 3: them where they're going to have the pick of the litter. Now,
Speaker 3: whether it's six or five or whatever that number is,
Speaker 3: the fact is is that it will be at least four.
Speaker 3: In my p could be six, which would give the
Speaker 3: Jaguars a lot of options at seventeen. Well, the key.
Speaker 6: Player there is Pennix going to the Raiders, because if
Speaker 6: he goes there at thirteen, it means one of those
Speaker 6: corners is likely to slide through or probably both because
Speaker 6: there is a huge swell for the edge rusher. Latu
Speaker 6: from UCLA another guy that I spent some time with yesterday.
Speaker 6: Huge personality, a great story overcoming the neck injury, and
Speaker 6: you know, talking to Charles Davis yesterday says clearly the
Speaker 6: best pass rusher with the most moves in the draft.
Speaker 3: Love them, love law too. Of course you do, and
Speaker 3: we've heard that for weeks on this program. Final thought, Ry,
Speaker 3: what do you think tonight? What do you want tonight?
Speaker 1: Well, I want an offensive lineman. You know you've got
Speaker 1: two tacks.
Speaker 6: Off of their contracts. And Tony listen and Jeff, you
Speaker 6: look at these drafts very carefully. This is the best
Speaker 6: offensive line draft, at least at the top, that I've
Speaker 6: seen in my thirty years covering the draft. There are
Speaker 6: at least ten guys that belong in the first round.
Speaker 6: And it doesn't matter whether you're talking about tackle or
Speaker 6: guard or center. I love the kid from Washington, Troy
Speaker 6: Oh not to I think I've got that right.
Speaker 1: I had to say it really slow.
Speaker 6: He's got a guy you talk about, guy with tremendous
Speaker 6: ability to play all over. I had one guy in
Speaker 6: Dallas tell me that he believes he's Zack Martin. Well,
Speaker 6: you were alluding to the fact that last year at
Speaker 6: the point of attack, we were so ineffective at converting
Speaker 6: third down. In short, who doesn't need Zack Martin. I
Speaker 6: would love to see that kid show up in Jacksonville.
Speaker 6: But it just looks like the convergence of need and
Speaker 6: value is going to be a corner.
Speaker 3: And he's a guard.
Speaker 5: Well, I don't care that phone other kid. That's the
Speaker 5: type of guy good who moves people. He's a big board.
Speaker 3: Doesn't have the length for a tackle though, but he's athlete.
Speaker 7: Why.
Speaker 5: He's a tough dude. And Brian, I'm with you whether
Speaker 5: it's the tackle.
Speaker 6: He's got a thirty four inch arm, seventy seven inch
Speaker 6: wing span. He no, I think he's got enough link
Speaker 6: to play. But but my here's here's what I know.
Speaker 6: He won the Morris Award and Tony who gets the
Speaker 6: Morris Award.
Speaker 2: Every year best offensive lineman in the PAC twelve.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that he was the last winner of it up here.
Speaker 2: Well, I did, Brian to your point.
Speaker 3: I led you to that one.
Speaker 2: But it works perfect. I go. I'm with Brian. This
Speaker 2: is a big bands game.
Speaker 5: You can have all the skills and I'm not saying
Speaker 5: we don't need corner and everything else like this, but
Speaker 5: this is one thing I know. If you control the
Speaker 5: liner scrimmers on offense, boy, the receivers are better, the
Speaker 5: running backs better, your quarterbacks better, and if you can
Speaker 5: control the liner scrimmers on defense hit the quarterback, those
Speaker 5: corners get really.
Speaker 3: Good, really good. Hi, Brian, thanks for the reporting from Detroit.
Speaker 3: We'll talk to you in a pre draft show at
Speaker 3: seven thirty a little bit later tonight. Thanks very much.
Speaker 3: Brian Sexton joining us from Draft Central and Detroit, Michigan.
Speaker 3: Plenty ahead, we'll come back and discuss Trent Balke's trade
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Speaker 3: He brooks in about ten minutes or so from Los Angeles.
Speaker 3: You've seen his name all over NFL network with his
Speaker 3: top five position rankings and mock drafts, and we'll get
Speaker 3: his final thoughts ahead of this draft in about ten
Speaker 3: minutes time we mentioned it going into the break. So
Speaker 3: Trim Balky, of course has been the general manager in
Speaker 3: San Francisco and now in Jacksonville. He took over the
Speaker 3: twenty ten San Francisco draft very late in the process.
Speaker 3: The GM was out, he had to move in. He
Speaker 3: actually made the picks in twenty ten there became the
Speaker 3: GM officially I think right after maybe a week before
Speaker 3: the draft. So he was involved from twenty ten to
Speaker 3: twenty sixteen in San Francisco and of course twenty one
Speaker 3: through twenty three and this year in Jacksonville. Four times
Speaker 3: Balky has traded up involving first round picks twenty ten,
Speaker 3: twenty thirteen, twenty sixteen with San fan and twenty two
Speaker 3: with the Jaguars that was up from the second round
Speaker 3: to get Devin Lloyd. Three times. He's traded down involving
Speaker 3: first round picks. Twenty fifteen traded two spots down to
Speaker 3: get Eric Armstead of all people, and then last year
Speaker 3: did it twice in the first round and ended up
Speaker 3: with Anton Harrison. Twenty seven total end draft trades in
Speaker 3: his career as a general manager in ten previous drafts,
Speaker 3: so especially on Day's two and three. He's not afraid
Speaker 3: to move if the value's there. Well, and the lesson
Speaker 3: to be learned, because you know there's some names associated
Speaker 3: with those trades, whether it be upper down, is that
Speaker 3: when he traded up, he didn't do so good if
Speaker 3: you look at the value. Anthony Davis was an offensive
Speaker 3: tackle that didn't last very long in the National Football League.
Speaker 3: Eric Reid defensive back was okay, yeah, I was a
Speaker 3: good player, but I mean to trade up from thirty
Speaker 3: one to eighteen, that's an expensive price to pay and
Speaker 3: I don't think that was the value. And then Joshua Garnett,
Speaker 3: you know, you know who he.
Speaker 2: Is, no clue.
Speaker 3: I don't either. But then you look at the trade downs,
Speaker 3: which is Eric Armstead, great pick, great pick, and then
Speaker 3: Anton Harrison, I think a really good player, you know.
Speaker 3: So the lesson there is and he said this at
Speaker 3: the draft press conference. He said that, look, the analytics
Speaker 3: will tell you that the value is not there if
Speaker 3: you're trying to trade up, and so, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: you don't look to trade up ever, in my opinion,
Speaker 3: unless you're trying to get a franchise quarterback. That's got
Speaker 3: to be the exception, all bet're of.
Speaker 5: The only way I trade up is if there's a
Speaker 5: guy that you think is an all Pro type player, Like,
Speaker 5: for instance, if you hadn't need a big need for
Speaker 5: an offensive tackle and you felt like Alt from Notre
Speaker 5: Dame was a future you know, multiple time Pro bowler,
Speaker 5: All Pro type player, Okay, you go trade up for
Speaker 5: a premium position, which left tackle is or a premium
Speaker 5: pass rusher that you think is gonna be you know
Speaker 5: Nick Boso or you know Garrett or something like that.
Speaker 5: But those are rarities, like you have to really be
Speaker 5: in the right position, and don't we always think that
Speaker 5: when you draft them. No, but there's certain guys. You know,
Speaker 5: there's certain guys.
Speaker 3: That but it's a percentage game.
Speaker 2: But that's that's what I'm saying. That is the exception.
Speaker 5: Yeah, like obviously franchise quarterback would be one as well,
Speaker 5: But most of the time, the difference between like.
Speaker 2: This this is a good wide receiver class. You know, the.
Speaker 5: Difference between Harrison and the third or fourth neighbors and
Speaker 5: you know the kid from Washington Doonza. I'm not saying
Speaker 5: one someone's gonna be better than the others, but is
Speaker 5: your betting and you're projecting looking forward if you can
Speaker 5: get the third rated guy where you said, is it
Speaker 5: worth jumping up to go get that first rate of guy?
Speaker 3: Great point, you know, I mean that's the that's for me.
Speaker 3: The draft. Get as many picks as you possibly can,
Speaker 3: especially because it's not a science. It is not a science,
Speaker 3: and it's it's a percentage ga. I mean, I remember
Speaker 3: a few years back, Chris Poullian was working with the
Speaker 3: Jaguars in the role of assistant general manager at one point,
Speaker 3: and his dad, Hall of famer Bill Pollion, and Bill
Speaker 3: Poullion essentially built two franchises and took them to Super Bowls,
Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills and then the Indianapolis Colts with the
Speaker 3: Panthers before that, and the Carolina Panthers. I mean, this
Speaker 3: is Hall of Fame guy, Hall of Fame executive, Hall
Speaker 3: of fame guy, super nice guy. And i'mber masking Bill,
Speaker 3: I said, Bill, I said, with the draft, I said,
Speaker 3: if there was one thing that you would teach a
Speaker 3: young guy to really learn and accept about the draft,
Speaker 3: he said, you know, they've got to learn to accept
Speaker 3: number one, that it's a percentage game, because if you
Speaker 3: really believe kind of that mindset. Oh, this guy's a
Speaker 3: Hall of Famer pro bowler. Da da da da da.
Speaker 3: He said, you know the chances it's a percentage chance
Speaker 3: because you know, you're trying to forecast a player into
Speaker 3: a league that he has not played in. So he said,
Speaker 3: you got to be careful there, He said, So you
Speaker 3: have to understand that it's a percentages game, and then
Speaker 3: you also have to be willing to admit a mistake
Speaker 3: so that you don't continue to make mistakes by propping
Speaker 3: up a pick that you've had in the past. And
Speaker 3: so I thought it was very revealing.
Speaker 2: Jeff.
Speaker 5: The second comment you made, I think is the difference
Speaker 5: between average and great gyms. I think great front office
Speaker 5: leaders have the confidence, conviction, and just the overall ability
Speaker 5: to admit mistakes. Humility, I think is the right word
Speaker 5: to admit a mistake, not double down and move on.
Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times where you see
Speaker 5: the teams kind of getting this cycle of you know,
Speaker 5: like a hamster on the wheel not really making any progress,
Speaker 5: is unwilling to admit a mistake. It's like, oh, let's
Speaker 5: move on. I don't care where I drafted that guy.
Speaker 5: I don't care how that makes me. Look, we have
Speaker 5: to get better there and let's go move on.
Speaker 3: Prime example of that is San Francisco at the quarterback position,
Speaker 3: a great a few years right. It's a great example,
Speaker 3: and I think they're the perfect example of a team
Speaker 3: that's that's doing things the right way and willing to
Speaker 3: admit mistakes. You know, you compare their situation at quarterback
Speaker 3: with the Jaguars situation a few years ago where you
Speaker 3: had Blake Bortles and love Blake, but you ended up
Speaker 3: passing up on franchise quarterbacks and drafts because you wanted
Speaker 3: to prop Blake Bortles up, and then once you released him,
Speaker 3: then you brought in Nick Foles and then you thought
Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew was gonna be the guy. I mean, so
Speaker 3: you ended up kind of losing opportunities on a Lamar
Speaker 3: Jackson and Patrick Mahomes for this franchise that you know,
Speaker 3: if you understood that the draft was a percentage is
Speaker 3: game and you could understand what was staring.
Speaker 5: You up and understand you made a mistake, okay, And
Speaker 5: it's okay because it's everyone makes I had an owner
Speaker 5: I was talking to an owner this year and I
Speaker 5: won't say which one, but he said, listen, I'm less
Speaker 5: worried about if my gym and coach cut a high
Speaker 5: pick as long as they're going to the playoffs and
Speaker 5: compete in the super Bowl. Because the draft it's a
Speaker 5: it's a crapshoot. It's like, you get some right, you
Speaker 5: get some wrong. The best of them do.
Speaker 3: Now, the percentages are higher the higher the pick is.
Speaker 3: That's right, and if you understand that, you're good plenty ahead.
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Speaker 3: I think you'll be out there right.
Speaker 5: I'll be on stage quite a few times tonight, yes,
Speaker 5: talking to Doug Peterson.
Speaker 2: And then we got a couple legends up there.
Speaker 5: I think Leam Cercy, Paul Pols, Leslie yeh, and Josh
Speaker 5: Goby so kay and I will be doing a little
Speaker 5: round table.
Speaker 3: Tooby's like down that list a little bit, like I'm kidding.
Speaker 5: Gooby be all time leader, best kicker in Jaguars history,
Speaker 5: all time point leader.
Speaker 3: Scoby was third place in the Baselli Golf Tournament the
Speaker 3: other way. Yeah you know who was second place? You? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Yeah, but cheat that's right.
Speaker 5: First, Well, it's because he had a bunch of ringers
Speaker 5: on his team.
Speaker 2: I gave him a good team.
Speaker 3: I made Bertie put some last two holes to get
Speaker 3: us in the second strokes.
Speaker 2: Did you do anything to get the ball on the green?
Speaker 3: I did one time, one time to get into it
Speaker 3: right now, but I contributed.
Speaker 2: Nobody shot true.
Speaker 3: I just wanted to say I beat Scoby. That was
Speaker 3: pretty good one. By the way, it was fair the
Speaker 3: one on one he would crush. It wasn't one on one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was team golf we won.
Speaker 3: Josh Gooby is the best golfer that wore the teal
Speaker 3: in black?
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.
Speaker 3: Probably so. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Christian Kirk's pretty good right now. Okay, and Kirk is
Speaker 5: a good player, very good player. But Scoby he shot
Speaker 5: like sixty four. Come on, like he's a good like
Speaker 5: he's a legitimate stick.
Speaker 3: I used to do that, you know.
Speaker 2: And yeah right, but he did it on eighteen holes,
Speaker 2: not not.
Speaker 3: Oh, let's go to Los Angeles, California. Welcome in NFL
Speaker 3: network analysts, Jaguars media analysts, and our good friend Bucky Brooks.
Speaker 3: It is finally here, Bucky, at long last, all your
Speaker 3: mock drafts, all your position rankings, all that can go
Speaker 3: out the window starting tonight at eight o'clock. Good evening.
Speaker 4: What's up, guys, how's everything?
Speaker 7: I'm Bucky excited to we're doing all these mid drafts
Speaker 7: and see where we're gonna get.
Speaker 5: Bucky, how many mock drafts did you do leading up
Speaker 5: to tonight?
Speaker 7: I did four, and it was really really challenging to
Speaker 7: kind of put the names in order to guess and speculate.
Speaker 7: And even now hear in your conversation about the offensive tackles,
Speaker 7: I think it's really interesting to see what teams are
Speaker 7: going to decide because the two strongest positions in the
Speaker 7: draft are offensive tackle and wide receiver. And normally when
Speaker 7: that happens, the demand supply and demand, you typically go
Speaker 7: to the premium position, which would be offensive tackles.
Speaker 4: So I would expect the offensive tackles to fly off
Speaker 4: the board first.
Speaker 7: Then the wide receivers will probably fall into the second
Speaker 7: round where we see a bunch of wide receivers go.
Speaker 7: I don't think you'll see as many wide receivers go
Speaker 7: as many.
Speaker 3: Speculating, Bucky, everybody seems to think that Joe Allt is
Speaker 3: the best tackle, and after watching some of these guys,
Speaker 3: I would agree, give me your next best two offensive
Speaker 3: tackles that are in this draft.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 7: You know, like it's so interesting because it kind of
Speaker 7: depends on what you're looking for. If you won't like
Speaker 7: the bully on the block, like to least Longer from
Speaker 7: Oregon State is one of those that kind of fits
Speaker 7: the kid from Washington that you guys we're talking about.
Speaker 4: He's probably one of the more versatile ones.
Speaker 7: Can play anywhere on the line, can play outside or inside.
Speaker 4: He gives you kind of what you want.
Speaker 7: Olufashanu is probably the most talented of them all, but
Speaker 7: he also has maybe the most development to do to be.
Speaker 4: An elite premier left tackle.
Speaker 7: JC Latham is a natural right tackle who's a Mala
Speaker 7: brother at the point of attack. And then Amarius Memes
Speaker 7: is just a junkyard dog. I mean, he is big,
Speaker 7: he's physical, but he's only played like eight or nine
Speaker 7: games in college, so you don't know where he's going
Speaker 7: to be when he gets to the big boy league.
Speaker 4: Look, it's a very talented class.
Speaker 3: Yeah, the last two guys that you mentioned, Latham and Memes.
Speaker 3: Watching the film on those guys, and I know that
Speaker 3: Mems hasn't played very much and you had to watch
Speaker 3: a lot of film to actually see him play, But
Speaker 3: watching those two guys, they just make the position look
Speaker 3: effortless like this guy used to do buck In. And
Speaker 3: the crazy thing is is that they were right tackles.
Speaker 3: But I mean I still see those guys as being
Speaker 3: premier talents. I mean, if the Jaguars are looking to
Speaker 3: trade down one of those two guys, I would love
Speaker 3: to see them until Yeah.
Speaker 4: So here's the thing.
Speaker 7: I don't know if you're gonna be able to trade
Speaker 7: down and hope that one of those guys get to you,
Speaker 7: because where the Jaguars are at, there's a bit of
Speaker 7: it in Ali where you can see teams that go
Speaker 7: Pittsburgh can take a tackle at twenty. Miami is gonna
Speaker 7: take an offensive line and it's probably gonna be a center,
Speaker 7: but you just never know it's gonna They have to
Speaker 7: fix their offensive line. So you have to be careful
Speaker 7: if you're Jacksonville trying to be cute and not just
Speaker 7: taking a player that is right there sitting in front
Speaker 7: of you. The guys that you mentioned JC Latham and
Speaker 7: Marius Mams, they could be there, but there's some conversation
Speaker 7: that jac Latham could be a ten pick. You know,
Speaker 7: we just don't know because but the tackle class, it's
Speaker 7: like going to the ice cream shop.
Speaker 4: And trying to figure out which flavor you like, but.
Speaker 5: Unworthy Bucky just sticking on the tackles just for a
Speaker 5: little bit longer. You know, a guy like all Ready Made,
Speaker 5: I mean films, you know, size all the things you want.
Speaker 5: Premiere program played against top talent. Which of the guys, though,
Speaker 5: do you think has the most upside? Because just because
Speaker 5: that individual played at a high level in college, as
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes those guys are capped out and they'll
Speaker 5: be good pros. And I'm sure all It's gonna be
Speaker 5: very good pro and I'm not saying he is capped
Speaker 5: out at all. But who of the girl, as you
Speaker 5: just mentioned, who's the flyer that you might take and say,
Speaker 5: because this guy has extreme upside.
Speaker 4: So if we're talking about upside, normally the upside is due.
Speaker 7: To their athleticism, right, they're super athletic, but maybe they
Speaker 7: haven't put all the skills together when it comes to performance,
Speaker 7: I would say that it would be either Memes or Fashanu,
Speaker 7: and then you can throw in Lathan because they all
Speaker 7: are still kind of figuring it out while dominating people
Speaker 7: with their sheer talent.
Speaker 4: Maybe Memes just because Mems only has.
Speaker 7: Like eight or nine Games of film and he is
Speaker 7: huge and you know he played at a winning program.
Speaker 7: If you know anything about Georgia, they talk about BLO Tuesdays.
Speaker 7: But he put the pads on and basically let the
Speaker 7: ones play against the ones all day. I think he
Speaker 7: has the ability to get really, really better as he
Speaker 7: gains more.
Speaker 4: Experience, and the rest are really going to help him
Speaker 4: at the next level.
Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks with us from Los Angeles, California, NFL Network
Speaker 3: Jaguars media analysts. Let's flip it around now, Bucky to
Speaker 3: the cornerback position. This is one that has been mocked
Speaker 3: to the Jaguars, I think more than any other in
Speaker 3: this first round, at seventeenth or overall. Is that I
Speaker 3: know in your mocks at least you've had that position.
Speaker 3: There is that still the feel for you? And what
Speaker 3: kind of window can you can you find at seventeen, two, three,
Speaker 3: four guys that could be there?
Speaker 7: Well, look, I mean a lot of it really just
Speaker 7: depends on what do the Jaguars want to do.
Speaker 4: What do they prioritize.
Speaker 7: Do they prioritize get in the defense of the snub
Speaker 7: where the defense can be a top ten defense, or
Speaker 7: do they want to put all their chips in and
Speaker 7: go say, hey, we're going to have an elite offense
Speaker 7: and we're going to outscore people and then play defense
Speaker 7: always with the lead. I would say that if they
Speaker 7: go cornerback Terran Arnold is gonna be sitting there right
Speaker 7: in their face at seventeen.
Speaker 4: The thing about Arnold is Arnold is versatile.
Speaker 7: He can play outside, he can play inside high IQ
Speaker 7: player does a really good job of being nose to
Speaker 7: nose in press coverage. But he can play off and
Speaker 7: I think when you hear Ryan Nelson talk about how
Speaker 7: he wants to play and how they want to play,
Speaker 7: they want to look.
Speaker 4: They said nothing cheap and nothing deep.
Speaker 7: So they want to take away the layups, meaning don't
Speaker 7: want to give up the bubble screens and the quick
Speaker 7: routes that you give up when you normally back off
Speaker 7: of wide receivers.
Speaker 4: But then you want to have.
Speaker 7: Enough awareness to make sure that you always play top down,
Speaker 7: very similar to how Arnold was asked to play in Alabama.
Speaker 4: I think he'll be fine there. Nate Wiggins is the
Speaker 4: next one that likely come off the board.
Speaker 7: Nate Wiggins is fast, He's ran for see you at
Speaker 7: the combine He's super athletic, easy mover when it comes
Speaker 7: to turns and transitions. The one thing about Nate Wiggins
Speaker 7: is Nate Wiggins isn't a super physical guy, and he's
Speaker 7: not a great tackler. And I think in our league now,
Speaker 7: if you can't tackle, you're gonna have a hard time
Speaker 7: being able to stay on the field because you become
Speaker 7: a bit of a liability.
Speaker 4: Can he become a better tackler.
Speaker 7: Maybe sometimes peer pressure can kind of make guys kind
Speaker 7: of stick their nose in, But I don't know.
Speaker 4: But he's super talented.
Speaker 7: He's one of the best athletes that you will find
Speaker 7: on the field. This guy has the potential to be
Speaker 7: a lockdown corner on the perimeter. The other names that
Speaker 7: we'll mention, Koley McKinstry is intriguing. He and Arnold obviously
Speaker 7: play in the same system. He was to cast me out.
Speaker 7: Arnold have passed him this year.
Speaker 4: Based on play, But Koley McKinstry is a really good player.
Speaker 4: High IQ can play a.
Speaker 7: Bunch of different techniques, understands how to play the game
Speaker 7: the right way, and all those guys are gonna be
Speaker 7: good teammates. And then the last one and maybe one
Speaker 7: of the guys that is really intriguing to me is
Speaker 7: Cooper Dejene from Iowa. The reason Cooper Degene is intriguing
Speaker 7: is because everyone's gonna try and kick him inside and say, oh,
Speaker 7: he's a nickel, he's a safety in those things. But
Speaker 7: if you really dig down and do the research, this
Speaker 7: is the premier track athlete when he was in high
Speaker 7: school that Iowa. He has played outside and played really
Speaker 7: really well. Super smart, very active, and productive. Also gives
Speaker 7: you something in the return game if you need it.
Speaker 7: This is the Swiss Army knife that everyone kind of
Speaker 7: wants in that defensive lineup. Is just are you willing
Speaker 7: to pull a trigger and do you have a plan
Speaker 7: to get him on.
Speaker 4: The field and allow him to do all the special
Speaker 4: things that he can do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the hard part I think with some of
Speaker 3: these top corners that you're talking about is that not
Speaker 3: a lot of them played pressman. And you know, every
Speaker 3: coach in the National Football League wants to have a
Speaker 3: corner that can play press man. You know, that's the
Speaker 3: way that you can end up doing other things on
Speaker 3: the other side to be a little bit more creative.
Speaker 3: And I would totally agree with you Bucky about Wiggins
Speaker 3: about he's not very physical at the point, and I'm
Speaker 3: a big believer that you can't coach physicality. So I
Speaker 3: don't know if he's a good fit. But it's going
Speaker 3: to be interesting to see because it's we talked about
Speaker 3: the draft and everything is a percentage game, and it's
Speaker 3: forecasting and it's kind of projecting. Man this corner position,
Speaker 3: there's a lot of projecting going on just because of
Speaker 3: the style of play that these top corners played in college.
Speaker 7: So because of that, we talked about playing the percentages. Jeff,
Speaker 7: I think this is a year where you have to
Speaker 7: double down in a position. This is a year where
Speaker 7: you may need to take two. And let's be honest,
Speaker 7: I'm a judge the draft. I'm a great to draft
Speaker 7: based on the first three rounds because those are the
Speaker 7: guys that typically comprise your team. Anything that you get
Speaker 7: four through seven is bonus. So to me, given how
Speaker 7: the style of play is going to be drafted different
Speaker 7: than it's been in the past, I think you need
Speaker 7: to invest in the position and kind of get two
Speaker 7: of them. And so we just talked about those four
Speaker 7: at the top. Maybe in the second or the third round,
Speaker 7: you have to begin to think about some other names.
Speaker 7: So if we're talking about in the second round, Max
Speaker 7: Milton from Rutgers is someone that's of interest. Kamari Lassiter
Speaker 7: from Georgia is another player that could kind of be
Speaker 7: in that. If you're talking about a pure nickel corner,
Speaker 7: Mikey Sanstril from Michigan is in play.
Speaker 4: In the third round. You can hear names like TJ. Tampa.
Speaker 7: You can hear Ronaldo Green from Florida State. So there's
Speaker 7: some guys that can come in and play. But I
Speaker 7: don't think the Jaguars can mess around and think that
Speaker 7: they're gonna solve their issue by getting a guy in
Speaker 7: the fifth, sixth, or seventh round. I think you have
Speaker 7: to really invest in position if you're gonna play as
Speaker 7: much pressman coverage that the defensive coordinator Ryan Nilson has
Speaker 7: been talking about.
Speaker 5: Buck, you talked about doubling down on a position group.
Speaker 5: What's your thoughts on it? And I'm gonna go back
Speaker 5: to where we started this on the offensive line, because
Speaker 5: I think we all talked about last year that this
Speaker 5: Jaguar offensive line had to get bigger, get more physical
Speaker 5: if they wanted to play the style that they were
Speaker 5: trying to play last year. This is a deep draft
Speaker 5: at the offensive line. Is this a year that if
Speaker 5: you really wanted to go remake and rebuild that offensive line,
Speaker 5: that you could in the first three rounds with this
Speaker 5: offensive line class.
Speaker 7: Yes, but you got to be committed to doing it
Speaker 7: and you have to be willing to take the slings
Speaker 7: and arrows that may come from the people that are saying, oh,
Speaker 7: you need to get a wide receiver early.
Speaker 4: Oh, we need to get this.
Speaker 7: If you're going to be a team that really wants
Speaker 7: to play and control the line of scrimmage, you got
Speaker 7: invested in and you got invest in it every year.
Speaker 7: And so if it's an offensive tackle in the first round,
Speaker 7: it's coming back getting the guard in the second round, then.
Speaker 4: You do that.
Speaker 7: It really depends on how the Jaguars view the strength
Speaker 7: of their team and how they want the strength of
Speaker 7: the team to be. Meaning do you want to be
Speaker 7: an offensive team do you want to be a defensive team?
Speaker 7: Because if there's an offensive team, then you load up
Speaker 7: on offense. You make sure that sixteen has everything that
Speaker 7: he needs. He's protected in the passing game, you can
Speaker 7: run the football effectively, and you have enough weapons on
Speaker 7: the outside to allow him to do his thing.
Speaker 4: And there's nothing wrong with that. We've seen teams do it.
Speaker 4: You guys were talking about billpollon bi.
Speaker 7: Opoleon, two Super Bowl contenders in Buffalo and Indianapolis playing
Speaker 7: that way. It really is about the commitment that the
Speaker 7: team has to make and this is who we are,
Speaker 7: this is going to be, and then the draft picks
Speaker 7: have to follow that philosopher.
Speaker 3: All right, Bucky sold the wide receiver position. Not many
Speaker 3: people believe that that would be the seventeenth overall pick,
Speaker 3: but you never know. If you were pick ain't at seventeen.
Speaker 3: Give me a couple names that may be available that
Speaker 3: you would be interested in.
Speaker 7: I'm be honest with you, Like I know people talk
Speaker 7: about the wide receiver position at seventeen. The only guy
Speaker 7: that I would be comfortable taking would be Brian Thomas
Speaker 7: Junior from LSU. The rest of the wide receivers that
Speaker 7: we're talking about, ad Mitchell's, Xavier Worthy, Xavier lok Get,
Speaker 7: anybody that we put in there. To me, they're more
Speaker 7: top of the second round type talents, which is fine,
Speaker 7: But what that means is those guys are solid starters.
Speaker 4: But I don't.
Speaker 7: Anticipate them being superstars at seventeen. Brian Thomas, to me,
Speaker 7: is the only one. If it's not one of the
Speaker 7: big three, then it has to be him. And I
Speaker 7: would say the difference between Brian Thomas and some of
Speaker 7: those other guys big.
Speaker 4: Fast and physical, super talented.
Speaker 7: When you talk to the LSU coaches, they say, Man,
Speaker 7: he's as gifted of wide receiver as we've seen come
Speaker 7: through these doors. Last year, the light came on and
Speaker 7: he played to his talents, and so you've got to
Speaker 7: continue to be on him to maximize.
Speaker 4: The talent that he has. But he's a guy that's worthy.
Speaker 7: If you really ask me whether the sweet spot should be,
Speaker 7: it should be offensive tackle or corner. At seventeen, your
Speaker 7: wide receiver should come in the second round. When you're
Speaker 7: picking forty eight, I think forty eight is going to
Speaker 7: put you in a position to get the players that
Speaker 7: I think are best fits for what they have.
Speaker 4: Ricky Piarsoll would be really intriguing to me. Roman Wilson
Speaker 4: would be really intriguing to me.
Speaker 7: And I'm saying this based on what was lacking I
Speaker 7: guess last year in terms of like where did it
Speaker 7: go wrong when we had all the injuries. I think
Speaker 7: Doug Peterson has made a concerted effort to say I
Speaker 7: want professional high AQ players that can be interchangeable and
Speaker 7: when it comes to playing multiple spots, that are reliable, dependable,
Speaker 7: and consistent. And so to me, Ricky pearsoll fits the bill.
Speaker 7: Lat mcconacky if he's there, he fits the bill. You
Speaker 7: want someone that when you call the play, all the
Speaker 7: things are gonna be a lot depend they can be
Speaker 7: exactly where they need to be so the quarterback can
Speaker 7: have the trust to let the ball go. So to me,
Speaker 7: it has to be that they don't need a high
Speaker 7: end number one. They need consistent, reliable pass catches that
Speaker 7: can get open and be exactly where they need to be.
Speaker 4: Each and every down.
Speaker 3: And love Lat McConkie, the Georgia wide receiver. And the
Speaker 3: one position we really haven't mentioned because we kind of
Speaker 3: started this show about this team getting more physical on
Speaker 3: the offensive and defensive lines, Buckey the defensive tackle position.
Speaker 3: In this draft, when you look at the top two guys,
Speaker 3: one in Illinois the other at Texas, they're good football players,
Speaker 3: but they don't have a lot of length. That's gotta
Speaker 3: I think affect them in this draft, doesn't it.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 7: I think Brian Murphy's gonna go within the top ten.
Speaker 7: I think the sweet spot for him might be eight
Speaker 7: to the Atlanta Falcons. Johnny Newton could be sitting there
Speaker 7: because he can go anywhere in their first round range.
Speaker 7: He could be there for us at seventeen. He could
Speaker 7: go later in the bottom.
Speaker 4: Of the first round. And then there's a bit of
Speaker 4: a drop off. And so the defensive tackle position.
Speaker 7: Is one that you really have to have like an
Speaker 7: eye on when.
Speaker 4: The run goes on.
Speaker 7: Like those defensive players just saying this year, maybe only
Speaker 7: eleven or twelve defensive players going the first round. So
Speaker 7: somewhere in the second round is gonna flip and there's
Speaker 7: going to be a run on defensive players. Two guys
Speaker 7: to watch if you're talking about Jacksonville Brydon Fist from Florida.
Speaker 4: State by way of Western Michigan.
Speaker 7: Look active, high motive player, physical athletic, look man. He
Speaker 7: is an all day sucker. The motor runs hot from
Speaker 7: the beginning of your game to the end of game.
Speaker 7: You love that part of it. Brandon Dorleas from Oregon
Speaker 7: another player that can come inside, physical, super athletic on tape.
Speaker 7: You see those guys run to the ball, they hustle,
Speaker 7: they play at a high level. To me, those are
Speaker 7: the guys because it's a huge drop off when it
Speaker 7: comes to defensive tackles. Maybe four or five guys that
Speaker 7: you feel really good about after that you kind of
Speaker 7: throwing darts. They are edge rushers that are available, but
Speaker 7: some of those guys are more situational players, not guys
Speaker 7: that I will say are every down guys that are
Speaker 7: gonna be stars outside of the top three. Day when
Speaker 7: we talked about Dallas Turner, Leatu Latu and Jared Vers
Speaker 7: from Florida State.
Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks, NFL Network, Jaguars Media fifteen seconds. Bucky, what
Speaker 3: is your pick?
Speaker 4: They gonna take one to Corners.
Speaker 7: I think it'd end up being tearing on or to
Speaker 7: the Quinna and Mitchell one of those guys if they're available.
Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Bucky joining us from Lost Yeah, Bucky
Speaker 3: Brooks from Los Angeles. We're back with our final thoughts
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Speaker 1: J P.
Speaker 3: Shadwick with Jefflagoman Hall of Famer Tony Boselli the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four NFL Draft. We're closing in about three hours
Speaker 3: and seven minutes until they at least started, and then
Speaker 3: probably another ten minutes until the pick, and then I
Speaker 3: guess the Jags will pick. What ten o'clock issue.
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if everyone takes ten minutes, which they
Speaker 5: never all take ten minutes, it's one hundred and seventy minutes,
Speaker 5: So it's almost two hours and forty five minutes after
Speaker 5: it starts.
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, we'll be closer to eleven. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if you do the mask.
Speaker 5: But usually there's always a couple of teams that you
Speaker 5: know are quick on the draw, and you go, it
Speaker 5: goes quicker.
Speaker 3: I hope there's a few teams that are quick on
Speaker 3: the draw.
Speaker 2: I hope sixteen teams are quick on the draw.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you remember, go back to the day back
Speaker 3: when they gave him more time than the team. It
Speaker 3: was and it was painfully slow, and then finally because
Speaker 3: of TV, they said, all look we got to make
Speaker 3: this thing move along a little bit. I think they
Speaker 3: could even make it move along a little bit better
Speaker 3: and shorten.
Speaker 2: They make it like seven minutes or yeah, yeah, make
Speaker 2: it seven minutes.
Speaker 3: I remember good number.
Speaker 5: I remember the at the draft in ninety five that
Speaker 5: you said I did not have to wait very long,
Speaker 5: which you're correct, only second pick, but going in was
Speaker 5: the first pick by the way carrier Collins John Carteret's right.
Speaker 5: But going into the half, Tom had told me, you know,
Speaker 5: three weeks before, it's like, we're picking you. They called
Speaker 5: me night before, I mean, unless the Bengals picked me
Speaker 5: instead of Caujohn. I was going to Jacksonville, and I
Speaker 5: thought that's what I thought. So John gets picked in
Speaker 5: like two minutes, I'm like, okay, good, it's me done.
Speaker 5: Tom waited eleven and a half minutes before he picked
Speaker 5: up the phone to call me and say it's a pick.
Speaker 5: I'm like, what were you waiting for? Like I thought
Speaker 5: this was a done deal. And to this day he
Speaker 5: just he just enjoyed the fact that I had to
Speaker 5: sit there for that long he wait. I think he
Speaker 5: did it just on purpose, just to well. I think
Speaker 5: he used Jeff. I think he used Jeff's strategy marketing strategy.
Speaker 5: Remember every year, all the time on the clock, and
Speaker 5: Jeff says the same thing, like selling.
Speaker 2: If he was a good GM, he'd be like, we're
Speaker 2: taking all ten minutes. Our logo is going to be
Speaker 2: on the free exposure.
Speaker 3: We're selling jerseys, selling Jersey's b By the way, do
Speaker 3: you know what I'm responsible for the Jaguars drafting him?
Speaker 3: Are you really? I am? I can't wait to hear this.
Speaker 5: Do you want to hear the story they were I'll
Speaker 5: tell you real quick. They're either going to take a
Speaker 5: tackle in the draft, which they did in a free
Speaker 5: agent d n or get it would have been, or
Speaker 5: a free agent tackle which had been his teammate Griswold,
Speaker 5: and then take a defensive end, probably been Kevin Carter.
Speaker 3: Kevin Carter.
Speaker 5: With the pick and they chose that this is left
Speaker 5: or so you're stuck with us.
Speaker 2: Jeff and I might be the opposite.
Speaker 5: They might have decided they were taking me and then
Speaker 5: they went after Jeff and free agency, so I might
Speaker 5: be responding.
Speaker 3: Strike. By the way, Criswell just went into the Graceland
Speaker 3: College Hall of Fame. Uh, I mean, how many people
Speaker 3: do you know that played at Graceland and played in
Speaker 3: the NFL and had a successful one.
Speaker 2: He was a good player.
Speaker 3: He just didn't like playing Bruce Smith, who did not many.
Speaker 3: Tony did not many did a couple of minutes left.
Speaker 2: What's your pick?
Speaker 3: You know, look, I don't like to make predictions. Pick
Speaker 3: a really good player. Come on, a really good player.
Speaker 2: Come on, do you want me to do it?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony please.
Speaker 2: I would pick an offensive lineman.
Speaker 5: I think they pick a corner, and one of the
Speaker 5: corners that Bucky said, you know.
Speaker 3: Mitchell.
Speaker 5: Arnold, Arnold's I mean, one of those guys they're gonna take.
Speaker 5: I think that's where they go. I think that's where
Speaker 5: all the smoke is right now. I think there is
Speaker 5: fire there. I would take an offensive lineman. I would
Speaker 5: actually this would be the draft because of the depth
Speaker 5: and the talent. I would double down on that position.
Speaker 5: I would build a world class offensive line.
Speaker 2: In front of Trevor.
Speaker 3: Lawrence, I don't I don't have anything against what he says,
Speaker 3: and that's.
Speaker 5: Not taking away anything in the group of guys here,
Speaker 5: but it is what it is. I mean, where we
Speaker 5: are as an organization, and especially if you're about to
Speaker 5: resign or extend the quarterback.
Speaker 2: At some point you're paying fifty million bucks, go build
Speaker 2: that line.
Speaker 3: And here's why I have a hard time saying, Okay,
Speaker 3: here's who I'm gonna pick. I mean, they're they're picking
Speaker 3: at seventeen. They're not picking at one, two or three.
Speaker 3: I mean, who's available, you know, I mean it is
Speaker 3: is a lot to there, which you know I love him?
Speaker 3: Would I love him?
Speaker 2: I Mean?
Speaker 3: The only thing that he's got a negative wise is
Speaker 3: that he had a neck issue. But he's one of
Speaker 3: the best pass rushers that I've watched in the last
Speaker 3: couple of years.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I watched him because my son Law played against him
Speaker 5: last year and he's a good.
Speaker 3: He makes it look effortless good. He's better than Verse
Speaker 3: and better than Dallas Turner and Alabama, who, by the way,
Speaker 3: doesn't have a lot of size to him, but he's
Speaker 3: out first physical guy, really physical and loved the guy
Speaker 3: Fisk that Bucky was talking about, by the way, round
Speaker 3: go back and watch some Florida State film. Look for
Speaker 3: number fifty five. That guy can play really and play
Speaker 3: play well. The one guy I think that's going to
Speaker 3: drop in this draft is the Flonga tackle from Oregon State.
Speaker 3: I don't believe he's got the feat to play or
Speaker 3: to be drafted. Real high gates open tonight at EverBank
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Speaker 3: our entire crew in the studio out here on set
Speaker 3: as well to the stadium for Tony Boselli, Jeff Logoman,
Speaker 3: Ryan Sexton, and Bucky Brooks. I'm JP Shadick. Thank you
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