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Speaker 3: Draft opening night twenty twenty four, we'll go to Brian

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Speaker 3: Sexton and Detroit in about five minutes from Draft Central

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Speaker 3: to get the latest from downtown Detroit ahead of the

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Speaker 3: draft Round one this evening. And then a little later

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Speaker 3: about four thirty Bucket Brooks in Los Angeles joining us.

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Speaker 3: We're on ten Toenexlam Jaguars dot Com, Jaguars YouTube JP

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Speaker 3: Shadick with Jeff Logman and Tony Biselli. And here we

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Speaker 3: are on this beautiful night inside EverBank Stadium ahead of

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Speaker 3: the Duval Draft Party. Twenty twenty four. Should be an

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Speaker 3: epic night, guys, Yeah, and I'm looking forward to it.

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Speaker 3: You know, Look, the draft represents a lot of hope

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Speaker 3: for every football team that there is tonight, all thirty

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Speaker 3: two of them are hoping that they're going to be

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Speaker 3: able to get better, and every team's feeling really good

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Speaker 3: about themselves, will be even feeling better for the most

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Speaker 3: part about themselves after tonight.

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Speaker 2: What do you think, bo, Well, I think we got

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Speaker 2: a great night. How about the West weather perfect?

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Speaker 5: It's perfect, It's I got the stadium set up for

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Speaker 5: the fans, and I think Jeff's right. I mean, this

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Speaker 5: is the time of year where everyone is hopeful and

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Speaker 5: you're trying to find that piece or multiple pieces that

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Speaker 5: kind of help you improve over whatever you did last year,

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Speaker 5: whether that's you know, trying to make the playoffs, trying

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Speaker 5: to win a division, you know, whatever that goal or

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Speaker 5: standard is. As a fan base, ultimately it's to win

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Speaker 5: the whole dang thing. And this is a This is

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Speaker 5: one of those things where this is one of those

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Speaker 5: dates on the calendar you're like, oh, okay, it's about

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Speaker 5: everyone can get excited. So during the season, you know,

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Speaker 5: every weekend, only half the teams are excited at the

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Speaker 5: end of the weekend, But tonight going in, everyone will

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Speaker 5: be excited and then they'll be the handful of fan bases.

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Speaker 5: It'll be booing with the pick, but most will think they.

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Speaker 2: Got their guy.

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Speaker 3: I remember he look, I got booed.

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Speaker 2: I remember watching them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but I think everybody got booed from being a

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Speaker 3: pick with New York Jets.

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Speaker 2: But that's a that's a tradition. But you know, the.

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Speaker 3: Perspective that we're given is kind of one from being

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Speaker 3: bit more of a fan of a team like me

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Speaker 3: and Tony. But from the perspective of the players tonight

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Speaker 3: is anxiety ridden, you know. I mean, you don't know

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Speaker 3: where you're gonna go unless you're Caleb Williams or Jayalen

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Speaker 3: looking at I don't know if Tony did this, but

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Speaker 3: I did. I mean I think everybody does at some

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Speaker 3: point when you're a potential draft pick, is you're looking

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Speaker 3: at what the financial future is gonna hold and you know,

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Speaker 3: where am I going to be number one? And what

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Speaker 3: what does the money look like on the slot that

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna get picked? And that's you know, and there's

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Speaker 3: a lot of fun involved in that. But there's a

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Speaker 5: Yeah, there is anxiety, There's no doubt about it. And

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Speaker 5: depending where you get picked, that anxiety can well.

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Speaker 3: You didn't have much anxiety. It was quick.

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Speaker 5: It was a quick anxiety. I was fourteen. I had

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Speaker 5: a wait a little while. But even even the guys

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Speaker 2: But I think what it also represents is.

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Speaker 5: The fulfillment of a bunch of guys dreams and the

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Speaker 5: though all the hard work, the long journey to get

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Speaker 5: now an NFL player, and it starts a whole new journey.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's also with this represents night on

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Speaker 3: Now let's touch on this. We've got the whole hour

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Speaker 3: here to get to the needs and what they could

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Speaker 3: do at seventeen moves and possibility. But in general, Trent

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Speaker 3: of work in free agency to fill some holes with

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Speaker 3: So in your opinion, how does that set up the

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Speaker 3: the most part, you did a good job in free

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Speaker 3: The one hole that the Jaguars did not plug I

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Speaker 3: don't think in free agency was the defensive back spot.

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Speaker 3: When I say defensive back, I'm talking about for the

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Speaker 3: most part, corner. You know, this is a passing league,

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Speaker 3: this is a nickel league, this is a dime league.

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Speaker 3: You need as many corners as you possibly can. And

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Speaker 3: you release Darius Williams and you replaced him with a

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Speaker 3: to the defensive line. But I still think there's a

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Speaker 3: whether it's inside or outside. The more dogs that you

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I think they addressed Nickel Savage. I mean, at

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Speaker 5: but if you go watch him at Green Bay, he

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Speaker 5: right about that with Darius Williams and coming back, I

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Speaker 5: still go back to if you look at this team

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Speaker 5: last year, which where was the biggest void or where

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Speaker 5: going to focus on the offensive line because we could not.

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Speaker 5: We were one of the worst teams in third and short.

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Speaker 5: We were not very good in the goal line. Are

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Speaker 5: and we struggled to control line of scrimmage, especially against

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Speaker 3: Year, which there's a number of them in the division.

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Speaker 2: And there's a number of those in the division.

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Speaker 5: So if you look at that group, I like the

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Speaker 5: Mitch Morris the signing, and he's a veteran hard nos

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Speaker 5: guy who knows how to play the game. I think

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Speaker 5: that's a good addition in the center. But it's pretty

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Speaker 5: much this you know, usual character cast of characters. Besides that,

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Speaker 5: and we are not a big group of people as

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Speaker 5: far as offensive line goes. If you look across the league,

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Speaker 5: I don't think Trent and Doug will go in the

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Speaker 5: first round with an offensive linement. But I still think

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Speaker 5: over draft weekend that is a position group that you

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Speaker 5: have to build depth young guys, big physical guys on

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Speaker 5: agree with Jeff Eric Armstead, great signing, but all Eric

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Speaker 5: Armstad is also highly productive, very good player, but also

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Speaker 5: bit like Clay's game awesome because he's a top notch player.

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Speaker 3: But still, I'm not shutting any bodies. I'm not shutting

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Speaker 2: Though in round one. Yeah, in round one, you're not.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not. We'll come back to that in

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Speaker 3: just a little bit.

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Speaker 2: By the way, I like it. Yeah, I'm with you.

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Speaker 3: I'm always with me.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you. I just don't think that's where they're

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Speaker 1: Let's go to.

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Speaker 3: Downtown Detroit, Michigan. Brian Sexton is standing by at Draft

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Speaker 3: Central and it's been a long time coming for the

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Speaker 3: city of Detroit. Brian, good afternoon.

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Speaker 1: Hey how are you guys.

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Speaker 6: Let me tell you, obviously this is a town that's

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Speaker 6: very proud of the Lions. The last couple of seasons,

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Speaker 6: and everywhere you look there's a sea of Lion blue.

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Speaker 6: I'll let you guess what most Lions fans have said

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Speaker 6: to us and our crew when they've seen the Jaguar logo, right,

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Speaker 6: thanks for Hutchinson. They're a little sparse, spicy, they have

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Speaker 6: a lot to say. So it's a kaleidoscope of NFL

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Speaker 6: fans here the Draft. It left New York after the

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Speaker 6: twenty fourteen season and went to Chicago and Philly and

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Speaker 6: Dallas and Nashville, and you guys know, it's become an

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Speaker 6: epic event. I mean, fans just flooding from all over

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Speaker 6: the country. It feels sort of like a mini Super

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Speaker 6: Bowl week in terms of the events and the people

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Speaker 1: This place is going to be hopping tonight.

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Speaker 2: Brian.

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Speaker 3: It looks like the weather in Detroit is just custom

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Speaker 3: made for a little outdoor event in the Draft. It

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Speaker 3: looks like everybody is light jacket and the weather and

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Speaker 3: everything else looks to be good, and the skies are blue.

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Speaker 6: Listen, the NFL yesterday was worrying about it because it

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Speaker 5: Every draft weekend there's a buzz or there's a story developing,

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Speaker 1: Who is not going to get drafted tonight.

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Speaker 6: And by the way, it's interesting there's only thirteen players here.

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Speaker 1: It's gonna be a little light tonight.

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Speaker 3: Well.

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Speaker 2: You talk about being miserable.

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Speaker 3: That's not the fear anymore.

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Speaker 2: Do you think it's the money? It's the money you

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Speaker 3: And I'm being totally honest here. Okay, you're putting on

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Speaker 3: They have never paid the players in the past. They've

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Speaker 2: Yeah, did you get paid? No, but pay the guys.

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Speaker 3: Love them, love law too. Of course you do, and

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Speaker 6: Off of their contracts. And Tony listen and Jeff, you

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Speaker 3: And he's a guard.

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Speaker 5: Well, I don't care that phone other kid. That's the

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Speaker 6: He's got a thirty four inch arm, seventy seven inch

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Speaker 6: He won the Morris Award and Tony who gets the

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Speaker 2: Every year best offensive lineman in the PAC twelve.

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Speaker 2: Well, I did, Brian to your point.

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Speaker 3: I led you to that one.

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Speaker 3: to be the exception, all bet're of.

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Speaker 5: The only way I trade up is if there's a

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Speaker 5: guy that you think is an all Pro type player, Like,

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Speaker 5: for instance, if you hadn't need a big need for

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Speaker 5: an offensive tackle and you felt like Alt from Notre

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Speaker 5: Dame was a future you know, multiple time Pro bowler,

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Speaker 5: All Pro type player, Okay, you go trade up for

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Speaker 5: a premium position, which left tackle is or a premium

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Speaker 5: pass rusher that you think is gonna be you know

447
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Speaker 5: Nick Boso or you know Garrett or something like that.

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Speaker 5: But those are rarities, like you have to really be

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Speaker 5: in the right position, and don't we always think that

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Speaker 5: when you draft them. No, but there's certain guys. You know,

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Speaker 5: there's certain guys.

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Speaker 3: That but it's a percentage game.

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Speaker 2: But that's that's what I'm saying. That is the exception.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like obviously franchise quarterback would be one as well,

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Speaker 5: But most of the time, the difference between like.

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Speaker 2: This this is a good wide receiver class. You know, the.

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Speaker 5: Difference between Harrison and the third or fourth neighbors and

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Speaker 5: you know the kid from Washington Doonza. I'm not saying

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Speaker 5: one someone's gonna be better than the others, but is

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Speaker 5: your betting and you're projecting looking forward if you can

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Speaker 5: get the third rated guy where you said, is it

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Speaker 5: worth jumping up to go get that first rate of guy?

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Speaker 3: Great point, you know, I mean that's the that's for me.

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Speaker 3: The draft. Get as many picks as you possibly can,

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Speaker 3: especially because it's not a science. It is not a science,

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Speaker 3: and it's it's a percentage ga. I mean, I remember

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Speaker 3: a few years back, Chris Poullian was working with the

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Speaker 3: Jaguars in the role of assistant general manager at one point,

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Speaker 3: and his dad, Hall of famer Bill Pollion, and Bill

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Speaker 3: Poullion essentially built two franchises and took them to Super Bowls,

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Speaker 3: the Buffalo Bills and then the Indianapolis Colts with the

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Speaker 3: Panthers before that, and the Carolina Panthers. I mean, this

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Speaker 3: is Hall of Fame guy, Hall of Fame executive, Hall

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Speaker 3: of fame guy, super nice guy. And i'mber masking Bill,

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Speaker 3: I said, Bill, I said, with the draft, I said,

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Speaker 3: if there was one thing that you would teach a

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Speaker 3: young guy to really learn and accept about the draft,

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Speaker 3: he said, you know, they've got to learn to accept

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Speaker 3: number one, that it's a percentage game, because if you

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Speaker 3: really believe kind of that mindset. Oh, this guy's a

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Speaker 3: Hall of Famer pro bowler. Da da da da da.

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Speaker 3: He said, you know the chances it's a percentage chance

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Speaker 3: because you know, you're trying to forecast a player into

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Speaker 3: a league that he has not played in. So he said,

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Speaker 3: you got to be careful there, He said, So you

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Speaker 3: have to understand that it's a percentages game, and then

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Speaker 3: you also have to be willing to admit a mistake

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Speaker 3: so that you don't continue to make mistakes by propping

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Speaker 3: up a pick that you've had in the past. And

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Speaker 3: so I thought it was very revealing.

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Speaker 2: Jeff.

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Speaker 5: The second comment you made, I think is the difference

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Speaker 5: between average and great gyms. I think great front office

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Speaker 5: leaders have the confidence, conviction, and just the overall ability

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Speaker 5: to admit mistakes. Humility, I think is the right word

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Speaker 5: to admit a mistake, not double down and move on.

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Speaker 5: And I think a lot of times where you see

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Speaker 5: the teams kind of getting this cycle of you know,

499
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Speaker 5: like a hamster on the wheel not really making any progress,

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Speaker 5: is unwilling to admit a mistake. It's like, oh, let's

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Speaker 5: move on. I don't care where I drafted that guy.

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Speaker 5: I don't care how that makes me. Look, we have

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Speaker 5: to get better there and let's go move on.

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Speaker 3: Prime example of that is San Francisco at the quarterback position,

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Speaker 3: a great a few years right. It's a great example,

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Speaker 3: and I think they're the perfect example of a team

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Speaker 3: that's that's doing things the right way and willing to

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Speaker 3: admit mistakes. You know, you compare their situation at quarterback

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Speaker 3: with the Jaguars situation a few years ago where you

510
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Speaker 3: had Blake Bortles and love Blake, but you ended up

511
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Speaker 3: passing up on franchise quarterbacks and drafts because you wanted

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Speaker 3: to prop Blake Bortles up, and then once you released him,

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Speaker 3: then you brought in Nick Foles and then you thought

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Speaker 3: Gardner Minshew was gonna be the guy. I mean, so

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Speaker 3: you ended up kind of losing opportunities on a Lamar

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Speaker 3: Jackson and Patrick Mahomes for this franchise that you know,

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Speaker 3: if you understood that the draft was a percentage is

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Speaker 3: game and you could understand what was staring.

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Speaker 5: You up and understand you made a mistake, okay, And

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Speaker 5: it's okay because it's everyone makes I had an owner

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Speaker 5: I was talking to an owner this year and I

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Speaker 5: won't say which one, but he said, listen, I'm less

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Speaker 5: worried about if my gym and coach cut a high

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Speaker 5: pick as long as they're going to the playoffs and

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Speaker 5: compete in the super Bowl. Because the draft it's a

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Speaker 5: it's a crapshoot. It's like, you get some right, you

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Speaker 5: get some wrong. The best of them do.

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Speaker 3: Now, the percentages are higher the higher the pick is.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and if you understand that, you're good plenty ahead.

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Speaker 3: a packed house. You'll be on the field tonight and

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Speaker 3: and plenty of special guest coming up this evening on stage, Tony,

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Speaker 3: I think you'll be out there right.

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Speaker 5: I'll be on stage quite a few times tonight, yes,

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Speaker 5: talking to Doug Peterson.

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Speaker 2: And then we got a couple legends up there.

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Speaker 5: I think Leam Cercy, Paul Pols, Leslie yeh, and Josh

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Speaker 5: Goby so kay and I will be doing a little

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Speaker 5: round table.

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Speaker 3: Tooby's like down that list a little bit, like I'm kidding.

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Speaker 5: Gooby be all time leader, best kicker in Jaguars history,

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Speaker 5: all time point leader.

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Speaker 3: Scoby was third place in the Baselli Golf Tournament the

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Speaker 3: other way. Yeah you know who was second place? You? Yeah?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but cheat that's right.

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Speaker 5: First, Well, it's because he had a bunch of ringers

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Speaker 5: on his team.

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Speaker 2: I gave him a good team.

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Speaker 3: I made Bertie put some last two holes to get

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Speaker 3: us in the second strokes.

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Speaker 2: Did you do anything to get the ball on the green?

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Speaker 3: I did one time, one time to get into it

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Speaker 3: right now, but I contributed.

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Speaker 2: Nobody shot true.

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Speaker 3: I just wanted to say I beat Scoby. That was

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Speaker 3: pretty good one. By the way, it was fair the

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Speaker 3: one on one he would crush. It wasn't one on one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it was team golf we won.

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Speaker 3: Josh Gooby is the best golfer that wore the teal

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Speaker 3: in black?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yes, yeah.

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Speaker 3: Probably so. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Christian Kirk's pretty good right now. Okay, and Kirk is

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Speaker 5: a good player, very good player. But Scoby he shot

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Speaker 5: like sixty four. Come on, like he's a good like

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Speaker 5: he's a legitimate stick.

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Speaker 3: I used to do that, you know.

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Speaker 2: And yeah right, but he did it on eighteen holes,

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Speaker 2: not not.

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Speaker 3: Oh, let's go to Los Angeles, California. Welcome in NFL

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Speaker 3: network analysts, Jaguars media analysts, and our good friend Bucky Brooks.

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Speaker 3: It is finally here, Bucky, at long last, all your

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Speaker 3: mock drafts, all your position rankings, all that can go

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Speaker 3: out the window starting tonight at eight o'clock. Good evening.

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Speaker 4: What's up, guys, how's everything?

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Speaker 7: I'm Bucky excited to we're doing all these mid drafts

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Speaker 7: and see where we're gonna get.

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Speaker 5: Bucky, how many mock drafts did you do leading up

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Speaker 5: to tonight?

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Speaker 7: I did four, and it was really really challenging to

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Speaker 7: kind of put the names in order to guess and speculate.

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Speaker 7: And even now hear in your conversation about the offensive tackles,

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Speaker 7: I think it's really interesting to see what teams are

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Speaker 7: going to decide because the two strongest positions in the

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Speaker 7: draft are offensive tackle and wide receiver. And normally when

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Speaker 7: that happens, the demand supply and demand, you typically go

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Speaker 7: to the premium position, which would be offensive tackles.

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Speaker 4: So I would expect the offensive tackles to fly off

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Speaker 4: the board first.

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Speaker 7: Then the wide receivers will probably fall into the second

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Speaker 7: round where we see a bunch of wide receivers go.

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Speaker 7: I don't think you'll see as many wide receivers go

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Speaker 7: as many.

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Speaker 3: Speculating, Bucky, everybody seems to think that Joe Allt is

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Speaker 3: the best tackle, and after watching some of these guys,

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Speaker 3: I would agree, give me your next best two offensive

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Speaker 3: tackles that are in this draft.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 7: You know, like it's so interesting because it kind of

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Speaker 7: depends on what you're looking for. If you won't like

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Speaker 7: the bully on the block, like to least Longer from

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Speaker 7: Oregon State is one of those that kind of fits

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Speaker 7: the kid from Washington that you guys we're talking about.

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Speaker 4: He's probably one of the more versatile ones.

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Speaker 7: Can play anywhere on the line, can play outside or inside.

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Speaker 4: He gives you kind of what you want.

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Speaker 7: Olufashanu is probably the most talented of them all, but

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Speaker 7: he also has maybe the most development to do to be.

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Speaker 4: An elite premier left tackle.

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Speaker 7: JC Latham is a natural right tackle who's a Mala

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Speaker 7: brother at the point of attack. And then Amarius Memes

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Speaker 7: is just a junkyard dog. I mean, he is big,

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Speaker 7: he's physical, but he's only played like eight or nine

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Speaker 7: games in college, so you don't know where he's going

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Speaker 7: to be when he gets to the big boy league.

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Speaker 4: Look, it's a very talented class.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the last two guys that you mentioned, Latham and Memes.

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Speaker 3: Watching the film on those guys, and I know that

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Speaker 3: Mems hasn't played very much and you had to watch

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Speaker 3: a lot of film to actually see him play, But

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Speaker 3: watching those two guys, they just make the position look

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Speaker 3: effortless like this guy used to do buck In. And

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Speaker 3: the crazy thing is is that they were right tackles.

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Speaker 3: But I mean I still see those guys as being

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Speaker 3: premier talents. I mean, if the Jaguars are looking to

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Speaker 3: trade down one of those two guys, I would love

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Speaker 3: to see them until Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So here's the thing.

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Speaker 7: I don't know if you're gonna be able to trade

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Speaker 7: down and hope that one of those guys get to you,

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Speaker 7: because where the Jaguars are at, there's a bit of

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Speaker 7: it in Ali where you can see teams that go

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Speaker 7: Pittsburgh can take a tackle at twenty. Miami is gonna

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Speaker 7: take an offensive line and it's probably gonna be a center,

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Speaker 7: but you just never know it's gonna They have to

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Speaker 7: fix their offensive line. So you have to be careful

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Speaker 7: if you're Jacksonville trying to be cute and not just

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Speaker 7: taking a player that is right there sitting in front

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Speaker 7: of you. The guys that you mentioned JC Latham and

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Speaker 7: Marius Mams, they could be there, but there's some conversation

656
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:42,120
Speaker 7: that jac Latham could be a ten pick. You know,

657
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:44,800
Speaker 7: we just don't know because but the tackle class, it's

658
00:31:44,840 --> 00:31:45,920
Speaker 7: like going to the ice cream shop.

659
00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 4: And trying to figure out which flavor you like, but.

660
00:31:50,360 --> 00:31:54,680
Speaker 5: Unworthy Bucky just sticking on the tackles just for a

661
00:31:54,680 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 5: little bit longer. You know, a guy like all Ready Made,

662
00:31:59,120 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 5: I mean films, you know, size all the things you want.

663
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:07,200
Speaker 5: Premiere program played against top talent. Which of the guys, though,

664
00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 5: do you think has the most upside? Because just because

665
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,440
Speaker 5: that individual played at a high level in college, as

666
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 5: you know, sometimes those guys are capped out and they'll

667
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,080
Speaker 5: be good pros. And I'm sure all It's gonna be

668
00:32:18,160 --> 00:32:19,840
Speaker 5: very good pro and I'm not saying he is capped

669
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,960
Speaker 5: out at all. But who of the girl, as you

670
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 5: just mentioned, who's the flyer that you might take and say,

671
00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 5: because this guy has extreme upside.

672
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,120
Speaker 4: So if we're talking about upside, normally the upside is due.

673
00:32:31,000 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 7: To their athleticism, right, they're super athletic, but maybe they

674
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 7: haven't put all the skills together when it comes to performance,

675
00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 7: I would say that it would be either Memes or Fashanu,

676
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 7: and then you can throw in Lathan because they all

677
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:47,080
Speaker 7: are still kind of figuring it out while dominating people

678
00:32:47,120 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 7: with their sheer talent.

679
00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: Maybe Memes just because Mems only has.

680
00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 7: Like eight or nine Games of film and he is

681
00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,280
Speaker 7: huge and you know he played at a winning program.

682
00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,720
Speaker 7: If you know anything about Georgia, they talk about BLO Tuesdays.

683
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 7: But he put the pads on and basically let the

684
00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 7: ones play against the ones all day. I think he

685
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:09,600
Speaker 7: has the ability to get really, really better as he

686
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 7: gains more.

687
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:11,800
Speaker 4: Experience, and the rest are really going to help him

688
00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 4: at the next level.

689
00:33:12,920 --> 00:33:16,240
Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks with us from Los Angeles, California, NFL Network

690
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:19,760
Speaker 3: Jaguars media analysts. Let's flip it around now, Bucky to

691
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 3: the cornerback position. This is one that has been mocked

692
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,360
Speaker 3: to the Jaguars, I think more than any other in

693
00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 3: this first round, at seventeenth or overall. Is that I

694
00:33:28,280 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 3: know in your mocks at least you've had that position.

695
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 3: There is that still the feel for you? And what

696
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 3: kind of window can you can you find at seventeen, two, three,

697
00:33:38,360 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: four guys that could be there?

698
00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 7: Well, look, I mean a lot of it really just

699
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 7: depends on what do the Jaguars want to do.

700
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 4: What do they prioritize.

701
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 7: Do they prioritize get in the defense of the snub

702
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 7: where the defense can be a top ten defense, or

703
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:55,480
Speaker 7: do they want to put all their chips in and

704
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:57,680
Speaker 7: go say, hey, we're going to have an elite offense

705
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 7: and we're going to outscore people and then play defense

706
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,760
Speaker 7: always with the lead. I would say that if they

707
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 7: go cornerback Terran Arnold is gonna be sitting there right

708
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 7: in their face at seventeen.

709
00:34:09,080 --> 00:34:11,680
Speaker 4: The thing about Arnold is Arnold is versatile.

710
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,319
Speaker 7: He can play outside, he can play inside high IQ

711
00:34:14,600 --> 00:34:17,480
Speaker 7: player does a really good job of being nose to

712
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 7: nose in press coverage. But he can play off and

713
00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 7: I think when you hear Ryan Nelson talk about how

714
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 7: he wants to play and how they want to play,

715
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 7: they want to look.

716
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 4: They said nothing cheap and nothing deep.

717
00:34:27,800 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 7: So they want to take away the layups, meaning don't

718
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 7: want to give up the bubble screens and the quick

719
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 7: routes that you give up when you normally back off

720
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:35,239
Speaker 7: of wide receivers.

721
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 4: But then you want to have.

722
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 7: Enough awareness to make sure that you always play top down,

723
00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 7: very similar to how Arnold was asked to play in Alabama.

724
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: I think he'll be fine there. Nate Wiggins is the

725
00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:47,120
Speaker 4: next one that likely come off the board.

726
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:51,319
Speaker 7: Nate Wiggins is fast, He's ran for see you at

727
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:54,439
Speaker 7: the combine He's super athletic, easy mover when it comes

728
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,560
Speaker 7: to turns and transitions. The one thing about Nate Wiggins

729
00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 7: is Nate Wiggins isn't a super physical guy, and he's

730
00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,920
Speaker 7: not a great tackler. And I think in our league now,

731
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 7: if you can't tackle, you're gonna have a hard time

732
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 7: being able to stay on the field because you become

733
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:09,279
Speaker 7: a bit of a liability.

734
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,240
Speaker 4: Can he become a better tackler.

735
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:14,799
Speaker 7: Maybe sometimes peer pressure can kind of make guys kind

736
00:35:14,840 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 7: of stick their nose in, But I don't know.

737
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 4: But he's super talented.

738
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,200
Speaker 7: He's one of the best athletes that you will find

739
00:35:20,239 --> 00:35:22,680
Speaker 7: on the field. This guy has the potential to be

740
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 7: a lockdown corner on the perimeter. The other names that

741
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 7: we'll mention, Koley McKinstry is intriguing. He and Arnold obviously

742
00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,560
Speaker 7: play in the same system. He was to cast me out.

743
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 7: Arnold have passed him this year.

744
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 4: Based on play, But Koley McKinstry is a really good player.

745
00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 4: High IQ can play a.

746
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:42,879
Speaker 7: Bunch of different techniques, understands how to play the game

747
00:35:42,920 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 7: the right way, and all those guys are gonna be

748
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 7: good teammates. And then the last one and maybe one

749
00:35:47,200 --> 00:35:49,319
Speaker 7: of the guys that is really intriguing to me is

750
00:35:49,360 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 7: Cooper Dejene from Iowa. The reason Cooper Degene is intriguing

751
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,839
Speaker 7: is because everyone's gonna try and kick him inside and say, oh,

752
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 7: he's a nickel, he's a safety in those things. But

753
00:35:57,920 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 7: if you really dig down and do the research, this

754
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 7: is the premier track athlete when he was in high

755
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 7: school that Iowa. He has played outside and played really

756
00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 7: really well. Super smart, very active, and productive. Also gives

757
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 7: you something in the return game if you need it.

758
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,719
Speaker 7: This is the Swiss Army knife that everyone kind of

759
00:36:16,760 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 7: wants in that defensive lineup. Is just are you willing

760
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:21,800
Speaker 7: to pull a trigger and do you have a plan

761
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 7: to get him on.

762
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,200
Speaker 4: The field and allow him to do all the special

763
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:24,920
Speaker 4: things that he can do.

764
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, And the hard part I think with some of

765
00:36:28,160 --> 00:36:31,400
Speaker 3: these top corners that you're talking about is that not

766
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 3: a lot of them played pressman. And you know, every

767
00:36:35,120 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 3: coach in the National Football League wants to have a

768
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,640
Speaker 3: corner that can play press man. You know, that's the

769
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 3: way that you can end up doing other things on

770
00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: the other side to be a little bit more creative.

771
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:49,759
Speaker 3: And I would totally agree with you Bucky about Wiggins

772
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 3: about he's not very physical at the point, and I'm

773
00:36:52,160 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 3: a big believer that you can't coach physicality. So I

774
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,200
Speaker 3: don't know if he's a good fit. But it's going

775
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 3: to be interesting to see because it's we talked about

776
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,359
Speaker 3: the draft and everything is a percentage game, and it's

777
00:37:04,400 --> 00:37:08,120
Speaker 3: forecasting and it's kind of projecting. Man this corner position,

778
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,600
Speaker 3: there's a lot of projecting going on just because of

779
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 3: the style of play that these top corners played in college.

780
00:37:14,800 --> 00:37:18,200
Speaker 7: So because of that, we talked about playing the percentages. Jeff,

781
00:37:18,200 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 7: I think this is a year where you have to

782
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,120
Speaker 7: double down in a position. This is a year where

783
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 7: you may need to take two. And let's be honest,

784
00:37:25,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 7: I'm a judge the draft. I'm a great to draft

785
00:37:28,080 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 7: based on the first three rounds because those are the

786
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,839
Speaker 7: guys that typically comprise your team. Anything that you get

787
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 7: four through seven is bonus. So to me, given how

788
00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:38,879
Speaker 7: the style of play is going to be drafted different

789
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:40,560
Speaker 7: than it's been in the past, I think you need

790
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 7: to invest in the position and kind of get two

791
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:45,239
Speaker 7: of them. And so we just talked about those four

792
00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 7: at the top. Maybe in the second or the third round,

793
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 7: you have to begin to think about some other names.

794
00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,279
Speaker 7: So if we're talking about in the second round, Max

795
00:37:53,280 --> 00:37:56,880
Speaker 7: Milton from Rutgers is someone that's of interest. Kamari Lassiter

796
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 7: from Georgia is another player that could kind of be

797
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 7: in that. If you're talking about a pure nickel corner,

798
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:06,360
Speaker 7: Mikey Sanstril from Michigan is in play.

799
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 4: In the third round. You can hear names like TJ. Tampa.

800
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 7: You can hear Ronaldo Green from Florida State. So there's

801
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:15,719
Speaker 7: some guys that can come in and play. But I

802
00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 7: don't think the Jaguars can mess around and think that

803
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 7: they're gonna solve their issue by getting a guy in

804
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 7: the fifth, sixth, or seventh round. I think you have

805
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 7: to really invest in position if you're gonna play as

806
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:28,719
Speaker 7: much pressman coverage that the defensive coordinator Ryan Nilson has

807
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,320
Speaker 7: been talking about.

808
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:32,439
Speaker 5: Buck, you talked about doubling down on a position group.

809
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:35,359
Speaker 5: What's your thoughts on it? And I'm gonna go back

810
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,080
Speaker 5: to where we started this on the offensive line, because

811
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 5: I think we all talked about last year that this

812
00:38:39,760 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 5: Jaguar offensive line had to get bigger, get more physical

813
00:38:42,680 --> 00:38:44,560
Speaker 5: if they wanted to play the style that they were

814
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:48,240
Speaker 5: trying to play last year. This is a deep draft

815
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 5: at the offensive line. Is this a year that if

816
00:38:50,760 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 5: you really wanted to go remake and rebuild that offensive line,

817
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,040
Speaker 5: that you could in the first three rounds with this

818
00:38:58,000 --> 00:38:58,960
Speaker 5: offensive line class.

819
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,080
Speaker 7: Yes, but you got to be committed to doing it

820
00:39:02,120 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 7: and you have to be willing to take the slings

821
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,920
Speaker 7: and arrows that may come from the people that are saying, oh,

822
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,399
Speaker 7: you need to get a wide receiver early.

823
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 4: Oh, we need to get this.

824
00:39:08,719 --> 00:39:10,319
Speaker 7: If you're going to be a team that really wants

825
00:39:10,360 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 7: to play and control the line of scrimmage, you got

826
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,200
Speaker 7: invested in and you got invest in it every year.

827
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:17,759
Speaker 7: And so if it's an offensive tackle in the first round,

828
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,200
Speaker 7: it's coming back getting the guard in the second round, then.

829
00:39:21,080 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 4: You do that.

830
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 7: It really depends on how the Jaguars view the strength

831
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,840
Speaker 7: of their team and how they want the strength of

832
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 7: the team to be. Meaning do you want to be

833
00:39:29,560 --> 00:39:31,680
Speaker 7: an offensive team do you want to be a defensive team?

834
00:39:31,680 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 7: Because if there's an offensive team, then you load up

835
00:39:33,480 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 7: on offense. You make sure that sixteen has everything that

836
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,480
Speaker 7: he needs. He's protected in the passing game, you can

837
00:39:38,560 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 7: run the football effectively, and you have enough weapons on

838
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 7: the outside to allow him to do his thing.

839
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 4: And there's nothing wrong with that. We've seen teams do it.

840
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,000
Speaker 4: You guys were talking about billpollon bi.

841
00:39:46,920 --> 00:39:51,880
Speaker 7: Opoleon, two Super Bowl contenders in Buffalo and Indianapolis playing

842
00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,440
Speaker 7: that way. It really is about the commitment that the

843
00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:57,560
Speaker 7: team has to make and this is who we are,

844
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 7: this is going to be, and then the draft picks

845
00:39:59,360 --> 00:40:00,520
Speaker 7: have to follow that philosopher.

846
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,399
Speaker 3: All right, Bucky sold the wide receiver position. Not many

847
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 3: people believe that that would be the seventeenth overall pick,

848
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 3: but you never know. If you were pick ain't at seventeen.

849
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 3: Give me a couple names that may be available that

850
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 3: you would be interested in.

851
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 7: I'm be honest with you, Like I know people talk

852
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:19,640
Speaker 7: about the wide receiver position at seventeen. The only guy

853
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 7: that I would be comfortable taking would be Brian Thomas

854
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,000
Speaker 7: Junior from LSU. The rest of the wide receivers that

855
00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,759
Speaker 7: we're talking about, ad Mitchell's, Xavier Worthy, Xavier lok Get,

856
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 7: anybody that we put in there. To me, they're more

857
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 7: top of the second round type talents, which is fine,

858
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 7: But what that means is those guys are solid starters.

859
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 4: But I don't.

860
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 7: Anticipate them being superstars at seventeen. Brian Thomas, to me,

861
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 7: is the only one. If it's not one of the

862
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 7: big three, then it has to be him. And I

863
00:40:47,080 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 7: would say the difference between Brian Thomas and some of

864
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 7: those other guys big.

865
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 4: Fast and physical, super talented.

866
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:55,000
Speaker 7: When you talk to the LSU coaches, they say, Man,

867
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 7: he's as gifted of wide receiver as we've seen come

868
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,120
Speaker 7: through these doors. Last year, the light came on and

869
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 7: he played to his talents, and so you've got to

870
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,720
Speaker 7: continue to be on him to maximize.

871
00:41:05,080 --> 00:41:08,320
Speaker 4: The talent that he has. But he's a guy that's worthy.

872
00:41:08,520 --> 00:41:10,839
Speaker 7: If you really ask me whether the sweet spot should be,

873
00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 7: it should be offensive tackle or corner. At seventeen, your

874
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Speaker 7: wide receiver should come in the second round. When you're

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Speaker 7: picking forty eight, I think forty eight is going to

876
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Speaker 7: put you in a position to get the players that

877
00:41:22,719 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 7: I think are best fits for what they have.

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00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 4: Ricky Piarsoll would be really intriguing to me. Roman Wilson

879
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 4: would be really intriguing to me.

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00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 7: And I'm saying this based on what was lacking I

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00:41:34,719 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 7: guess last year in terms of like where did it

882
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:39,120
Speaker 7: go wrong when we had all the injuries. I think

883
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Speaker 7: Doug Peterson has made a concerted effort to say I

884
00:41:43,120 --> 00:41:47,560
Speaker 7: want professional high AQ players that can be interchangeable and

885
00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 7: when it comes to playing multiple spots, that are reliable, dependable,

886
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Speaker 7: and consistent. And so to me, Ricky pearsoll fits the bill.

887
00:41:54,280 --> 00:41:57,080
Speaker 7: Lat mcconacky if he's there, he fits the bill. You

888
00:41:57,160 --> 00:42:00,160
Speaker 7: want someone that when you call the play, all the

889
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 7: things are gonna be a lot depend they can be

890
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 7: exactly where they need to be so the quarterback can

891
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 7: have the trust to let the ball go. So to me,

892
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 7: it has to be that they don't need a high

893
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 7: end number one. They need consistent, reliable pass catches that

894
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Speaker 7: can get open and be exactly where they need to be.

895
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Speaker 4: Each and every down.

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Speaker 3: And love Lat McConkie, the Georgia wide receiver. And the

897
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Speaker 3: one position we really haven't mentioned because we kind of

898
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Speaker 3: started this show about this team getting more physical on

899
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Speaker 3: the offensive and defensive lines, Buckey the defensive tackle position.

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Speaker 3: In this draft, when you look at the top two guys,

901
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:33,360
Speaker 3: one in Illinois the other at Texas, they're good football players,

902
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:37,320
Speaker 3: but they don't have a lot of length. That's gotta

903
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,279
Speaker 3: I think affect them in this draft, doesn't it.

904
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Speaker 4: No.

905
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:42,879
Speaker 7: I think Brian Murphy's gonna go within the top ten.

906
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,040
Speaker 7: I think the sweet spot for him might be eight

907
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 7: to the Atlanta Falcons. Johnny Newton could be sitting there

908
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:50,640
Speaker 7: because he can go anywhere in their first round range.

909
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Speaker 7: He could be there for us at seventeen. He could

910
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Speaker 7: go later in the bottom.

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00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,000
Speaker 4: Of the first round. And then there's a bit of

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00:42:57,040 --> 00:43:00,279
Speaker 4: a drop off. And so the defensive tackle position.

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Speaker 7: Is one that you really have to have like an

914
00:43:02,920 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 7: eye on when.

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Speaker 4: The run goes on.

916
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 7: Like those defensive players just saying this year, maybe only

917
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:10,960
Speaker 7: eleven or twelve defensive players going the first round. So

918
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Speaker 7: somewhere in the second round is gonna flip and there's

919
00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 7: going to be a run on defensive players. Two guys

920
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:19,840
Speaker 7: to watch if you're talking about Jacksonville Brydon Fist from Florida.

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Speaker 4: State by way of Western Michigan.

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00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:26,320
Speaker 7: Look active, high motive player, physical athletic, look man. He

923
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 7: is an all day sucker. The motor runs hot from

924
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 7: the beginning of your game to the end of game.

925
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Speaker 7: You love that part of it. Brandon Dorleas from Oregon

926
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Speaker 7: another player that can come inside, physical, super athletic on tape.

927
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Speaker 7: You see those guys run to the ball, they hustle,

928
00:43:41,120 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 7: they play at a high level. To me, those are

929
00:43:43,400 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 7: the guys because it's a huge drop off when it

930
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Speaker 7: comes to defensive tackles. Maybe four or five guys that

931
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 7: you feel really good about after that you kind of

932
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:55,200
Speaker 7: throwing darts. They are edge rushers that are available, but

933
00:43:55,360 --> 00:43:59,279
Speaker 7: some of those guys are more situational players, not guys

934
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Speaker 7: that I will say are every down guys that are

935
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Speaker 7: gonna be stars outside of the top three. Day when

936
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Speaker 7: we talked about Dallas Turner, Leatu Latu and Jared Vers

937
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Speaker 7: from Florida State.

938
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Speaker 3: Bucky Brooks, NFL Network, Jaguars Media fifteen seconds. Bucky, what

939
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 3: is your pick?

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Speaker 4: They gonna take one to Corners.

941
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 7: I think it'd end up being tearing on or to

942
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Speaker 7: the Quinna and Mitchell one of those guys if they're available.

943
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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot, Bucky joining us from Lost Yeah, Bucky

944
00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:27,000
Speaker 3: Brooks from Los Angeles. We're back with our final thoughts

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Speaker 1: J P.

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Speaker 3: Shadwick with Jefflagoman Hall of Famer Tony Boselli the twenty

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Speaker 3: twenty four NFL Draft. We're closing in about three hours

952
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,839
Speaker 3: and seven minutes until they at least started, and then

953
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Speaker 3: probably another ten minutes until the pick, and then I

954
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Speaker 3: guess the Jags will pick. What ten o'clock issue.

955
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if everyone takes ten minutes, which they

956
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:07,520
Speaker 5: never all take ten minutes, it's one hundred and seventy minutes,

957
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:10,600
Speaker 5: So it's almost two hours and forty five minutes after

958
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Speaker 5: it starts.

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00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,360
Speaker 2: So if that's the case, we'll be closer to eleven. Yeah,

960
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 2: if you do the mask.

961
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 5: But usually there's always a couple of teams that you

962
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:19,920
Speaker 5: know are quick on the draw, and you go, it

963
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 5: goes quicker.

964
00:45:21,360 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 3: I hope there's a few teams that are quick on

965
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 3: the draw.

966
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 2: I hope sixteen teams are quick on the draw.

967
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:28,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, but you remember, go back to the day back

968
00:45:28,719 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 3: when they gave him more time than the team. It

969
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:34,720
Speaker 3: was and it was painfully slow, and then finally because

970
00:45:34,760 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 3: of TV, they said, all look we got to make

971
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 3: this thing move along a little bit. I think they

972
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 3: could even make it move along a little bit better

973
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:41,160
Speaker 3: and shorten.

974
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Speaker 2: They make it like seven minutes or yeah, yeah, make

975
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:44,439
Speaker 2: it seven minutes.

976
00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 3: I remember good number.

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00:45:45,680 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 5: I remember the at the draft in ninety five that

978
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 5: you said I did not have to wait very long,

979
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 5: which you're correct, only second pick, but going in was

980
00:45:53,480 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 5: the first pick by the way carrier Collins John Carteret's right.

981
00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 5: But going into the half, Tom had told me, you know,

982
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,719
Speaker 5: three weeks before, it's like, we're picking you. They called

983
00:46:03,719 --> 00:46:07,279
Speaker 5: me night before, I mean, unless the Bengals picked me

984
00:46:07,360 --> 00:46:10,400
Speaker 5: instead of Caujohn. I was going to Jacksonville, and I

985
00:46:10,440 --> 00:46:13,080
Speaker 5: thought that's what I thought. So John gets picked in

986
00:46:13,160 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 5: like two minutes, I'm like, okay, good, it's me done.

987
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:21,919
Speaker 5: Tom waited eleven and a half minutes before he picked

988
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 5: up the phone to call me and say it's a pick.

989
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,960
Speaker 5: I'm like, what were you waiting for? Like I thought

990
00:46:25,960 --> 00:46:27,840
Speaker 5: this was a done deal. And to this day he

991
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:30,320
Speaker 5: just he just enjoyed the fact that I had to

992
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 5: sit there for that long he wait. I think he

993
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,919
Speaker 5: did it just on purpose, just to well. I think

994
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 5: he used Jeff. I think he used Jeff's strategy marketing strategy.

995
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 5: Remember every year, all the time on the clock, and

996
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,919
Speaker 5: Jeff says the same thing, like selling.

997
00:46:46,560 --> 00:46:48,359
Speaker 2: If he was a good GM, he'd be like, we're

998
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:50,680
Speaker 2: taking all ten minutes. Our logo is going to be

999
00:46:50,760 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 2: on the free exposure.

1000
00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:54,480
Speaker 3: We're selling jerseys, selling Jersey's b By the way, do

1001
00:46:54,480 --> 00:46:56,759
Speaker 3: you know what I'm responsible for the Jaguars drafting him?

1002
00:46:56,800 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 3: Are you really? I am? I can't wait to hear this.

1003
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,279
Speaker 5: Do you want to hear the story they were I'll

1004
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,719
Speaker 5: tell you real quick. They're either going to take a

1005
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 5: tackle in the draft, which they did in a free

1006
00:47:07,040 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 5: agent d n or get it would have been, or

1007
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 5: a free agent tackle which had been his teammate Griswold,

1008
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,919
Speaker 5: and then take a defensive end, probably been Kevin Carter.

1009
00:47:20,120 --> 00:47:20,880
Speaker 3: Kevin Carter.

1010
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,520
Speaker 5: With the pick and they chose that this is left

1011
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 5: or so you're stuck with us.

1012
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: Jeff and I might be the opposite.

1013
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:34,799
Speaker 5: They might have decided they were taking me and then

1014
00:47:34,840 --> 00:47:37,200
Speaker 5: they went after Jeff and free agency, so I might

1015
00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:40,080
Speaker 5: be responding.

1016
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:45,400
Speaker 3: Strike. By the way, Criswell just went into the Graceland

1017
00:47:45,440 --> 00:47:48,360
Speaker 3: College Hall of Fame. Uh, I mean, how many people

1018
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 3: do you know that played at Graceland and played in

1019
00:47:50,280 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 3: the NFL and had a successful one.

1020
00:47:52,640 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 2: He was a good player.

1021
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: He just didn't like playing Bruce Smith, who did not many.

1022
00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:00,839
Speaker 3: Tony did not many did a couple of minutes left.

1023
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:01,959
Speaker 2: What's your pick?

1024
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 3: You know, look, I don't like to make predictions. Pick

1025
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 3: a really good player. Come on, a really good player.

1026
00:48:09,200 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: Come on, do you want me to do it?

1027
00:48:10,360 --> 00:48:11,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Tony please.

1028
00:48:11,560 --> 00:48:13,040
Speaker 2: I would pick an offensive lineman.

1029
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 5: I think they pick a corner, and one of the

1030
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:16,759
Speaker 5: corners that Bucky said, you know.

1031
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 3: Mitchell.

1032
00:48:19,880 --> 00:48:22,960
Speaker 5: Arnold, Arnold's I mean, one of those guys they're gonna take.

1033
00:48:23,000 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 5: I think that's where they go. I think that's where

1034
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:27,880
Speaker 5: all the smoke is right now. I think there is

1035
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:30,919
Speaker 5: fire there. I would take an offensive lineman. I would

1036
00:48:30,920 --> 00:48:33,040
Speaker 5: actually this would be the draft because of the depth

1037
00:48:33,080 --> 00:48:35,600
Speaker 5: and the talent. I would double down on that position.

1038
00:48:35,719 --> 00:48:39,000
Speaker 5: I would build a world class offensive line.

1039
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 2: In front of Trevor.

1040
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:42,600
Speaker 3: Lawrence, I don't I don't have anything against what he says,

1041
00:48:42,640 --> 00:48:44,240
Speaker 3: and that's.

1042
00:48:44,080 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 5: Not taking away anything in the group of guys here,

1043
00:48:45,840 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 5: but it is what it is. I mean, where we

1044
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 5: are as an organization, and especially if you're about to

1045
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 5: resign or extend the quarterback.

1046
00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:55,920
Speaker 2: At some point you're paying fifty million bucks, go build

1047
00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 2: that line.

1048
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 3: And here's why I have a hard time saying, Okay,

1049
00:48:58,520 --> 00:49:00,840
Speaker 3: here's who I'm gonna pick. I mean, they're they're picking

1050
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 3: at seventeen. They're not picking at one, two or three.

1051
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:07,320
Speaker 3: I mean, who's available, you know, I mean it is

1052
00:49:07,320 --> 00:49:09,399
Speaker 3: is a lot to there, which you know I love him?

1053
00:49:10,160 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 3: Would I love him?

1054
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:12,839
Speaker 2: I Mean?

1055
00:49:12,880 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 3: The only thing that he's got a negative wise is

1056
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:19,239
Speaker 3: that he had a neck issue. But he's one of

1057
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,200
Speaker 3: the best pass rushers that I've watched in the last

1058
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 3: couple of years.

1059
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1060
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:25,239
Speaker 5: I watched him because my son Law played against him

1061
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 5: last year and he's a good.

1062
00:49:28,239 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 3: He makes it look effortless good. He's better than Verse

1063
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,879
Speaker 3: and better than Dallas Turner and Alabama, who, by the way,

1064
00:49:36,000 --> 00:49:37,960
Speaker 3: doesn't have a lot of size to him, but he's

1065
00:49:37,960 --> 00:49:42,680
Speaker 3: out first physical guy, really physical and loved the guy

1066
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 3: Fisk that Bucky was talking about, by the way, round

1067
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:47,880
Speaker 3: go back and watch some Florida State film. Look for

1068
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 3: number fifty five. That guy can play really and play

1069
00:49:51,680 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 3: play well. The one guy I think that's going to

1070
00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:56,959
Speaker 3: drop in this draft is the Flonga tackle from Oregon State.

1071
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,360
Speaker 3: I don't believe he's got the feat to play or

1072
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: to be drafted. Real high gates open tonight at EverBank

1073
00:50:02,239 --> 00:50:05,279
Speaker 3: Stadium seven o'clock. The end. Stadium show begins with Ky

1074
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Speaker 3: Stevens about seven point fifteen seven point thirty pre draft

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Speaker 3: show on Jaguars dot Com and jags YouTube. Thanks to

1076
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Speaker 3: our entire crew in the studio out here on set

1077
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Speaker 3: as well to the stadium for Tony Boselli, Jeff Logoman,

1078
00:50:18,800 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 3: Ryan Sexton, and Bucky Brooks. I'm JP Shadick. Thank you

1079
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Speaker 3: for listening. It's Jaguars Happy Hour presented by the Saint

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