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Speaker 2: It was the month of April nineteen ninety eight and

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Speaker 2: in the south of Belgium. It's an area where people

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Speaker 2: come to get away and enjoy the fruits of nature.

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Speaker 2: With hiking trails along flowing streams leading from one flowery

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Speaker 2: village to the next. It seems like a very strange

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Speaker 2: place to hold Belgium's most hated criminal, but his original

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Speaker 2: arrest was linked to the disappearance of Letitia Dalas from

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Speaker 2: the nearby village of Bertrie, and neuf Chateau had jurisdiction

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Speaker 2: over the case. It had been almost two years since

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Speaker 2: the true's arrest and there was a new investigating judge

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Speaker 2: named Jacques l'anlois in charge of the case, as the

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Speaker 2: previous Judge Jean Marc Conrad had been removed. Judge Langlois,

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Speaker 2: as well as the king's prosecutor Boulais, and police officers

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Speaker 2: were toiling away in Enouf Chateau investigating the case and

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Speaker 2: busy at work in enauf Chateau preparing his defense. Like

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Speaker 2: all defendants, de True had the right to consult a

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Speaker 2: file relative to his case. On the twenty third of

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Speaker 2: April nineteen ninety eight, the True was in the Justice

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Speaker 2: it couldn't be kept all in one place. A file

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Speaker 2: to True was looking for was on a different floor,

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Speaker 2: so one of the gendarmes guarding him left him with

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Speaker 2: from another repository. D True was unhandcuffed so he could

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Speaker 2: He bolted out the door and flew down the inside stairs,

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Speaker 2: Without hesitation, he pointed the gun straight at the prosecutor's

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Speaker 2: Now he had wheels and was speeding out of nef

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Speaker 2: achieved the impossible. Belgium's most notorious criminal had escaped.

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Speaker 3: Psychobat is somebody who understands emotions.

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Speaker 4: And I told them it is very exceptional that somebody

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Speaker 4: abducts two children at the same time. To be theen

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Speaker 4: of it in nineteen eighty six, but my god, it

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Speaker 5: I think Belgium was a paralyzed for perverts in those days.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to La Monstra. I'm your host. Matt Graves a

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Speaker 2: stupid vas.

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Speaker 1: I love Texuntian for a position.

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget the day the true escaped. It was

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Speaker 2: one of those historic moments for Belgium where everyone remembers

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Speaker 2: holding their breath. How could this be the country's most

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Speaker 2: All of Belgium's police forces were immediately deployed, and both

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Speaker 2: It had now been over an hour and the search

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Speaker 4: What can I say? I mean, at this point people

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Speaker 4: Are you kidding me? The one guy in the whole

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Speaker 2: While the public was rightly outraged, it was the victims'

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Speaker 5: But that day, for the first time in more any year,

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Speaker 5: it was we heard the voice of Michelle Bourle on

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Speaker 5: after the True escaped, saying that he could confirm that

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Speaker 5: what to think about it, But a lot of journalists

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Speaker 5: there were theories that Gean Darmerie would have liked very

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Speaker 5: much open fire on Market. True, nobody would have complained,

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Speaker 2: Meanwhile, Da Trux was trying to make himself lost in

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Speaker 2: immediately called it in. It wasn't long before he was

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Speaker 2: ended as quickly as it started, and after three hours

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Speaker 2: to draw a line under this embarrassing episode. When things

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Speaker 2: settled down after d'tru's escape and capture, everyone turned to Noufchateau.

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Speaker 2: The investigating judge, Jacques l'anois, had the unenviable task of

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Speaker 2: of a grand jury, ultimately deciding if their sufficient evidence

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Speaker 2: of guilt to warrant a trial. He or she wields

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Speaker 2: considerable powers, including the issuing of warrants, seizing of evidence,

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Speaker 2: and whether or not to take the case forward. In

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Speaker 2: the end, an investigating judge really determines who is being

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Speaker 2: charged in the overall shape of the trial. It took

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Speaker 2: no less than seven years since the arrest of de

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Speaker 2: True to bring the case forward. For the families of

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Speaker 2: have felt like an eternity. Eventually, Belgian's trial of the

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Speaker 2: It was March two thousand and four at the Court

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Speaker 2: of the Seas in the city of Arlon in Belgium,

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Speaker 2: the first day of the biggest trial in the history

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Speaker 2: of this country. A large field close to the courthouse

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Speaker 2: fourteen civil parties, fifteen lawyers, twenty four jurors, over four

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Speaker 2: The four defendants were seated in a specially constructed bulletproof

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Speaker 2: a broadcast journalist from the French TV channel France Du

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Speaker 2: named Jasmino Farber, who was dispatched to Belgium to cover

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Speaker 6: So this was a really big, big case for us

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Speaker 6: We were really shocked about what happened at this time,

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Speaker 6: strive to avoid simplistic narratives in my work. For example,

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Speaker 6: famous serial killers in France, Guigeorge and Patris Aleg and

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Speaker 6: they raped and killed women. The facts were terrifying. However,

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Speaker 6: I never found an ounce of humanity, nor in the attitude,

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Speaker 6: neither in his eyes. Quite the contrary. This strengthened opinion

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Speaker 6: markdut who told the jury he was the victim. It

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Speaker 6: said that he protected the little girls from a terrible danger.

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Speaker 6: But what is more terrible that happened to his victims.

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Speaker 6: We had to listen to him till like you feel sick.

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Speaker 6: He never second guest himself or showed any form of

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Speaker 6: like an intellectual, very proud of himself, with his little glasses,

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Speaker 6: he sued his little notes. I remember when he talked

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Speaker 6: about his childhood, he said that he had no ice

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Speaker 6: cream during terrible summer holidays. Imagine what it feels for

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Speaker 6: are dreaming or making a nightmare. So that's the memories

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Speaker 6: I have of this guy behind this window, very quiet

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Speaker 6: and very calm. And even you know that he fell

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Speaker 6: asleep the first day of the trial. So that was

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Speaker 6: really crazy. And really I was struck by the dignity

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Speaker 6: of the parents and the families. Really you had to

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Speaker 6: keep your calm because he was just unbearable. It's simple, Sve.

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Speaker 6: This span is the first time in my life, and

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Speaker 6: I made many trials. The first time in my life,

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Speaker 6: I say, Okay, you can't change this guy. And maybe

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Speaker 6: it's the picture of the monster.

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Speaker 2: When the trial finally kicked off, there was, however, an

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Speaker 2: important absence. Gino and Karine Rousseau, the mother and father

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Speaker 8: Today, victims, parents and members of the jury were given

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Speaker 6: I just can't anymore. I was sick, really, I really

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Speaker 2: non believers. The schism became so entrenched that it divided friendships, families,

431
00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 2: and even changed the course of careers of police, journalists

432
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Speaker 2: and magistrates. The lawyers of Letitia de Les took the

433
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Speaker 2: lead in making the case against Nahoul and therefore opening

434
00:30:06,000 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 2: the door to a possible wider network. The charge they

435
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Speaker 2: needed to prove was that Nihool was involved with the

436
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: kidnapping of Letitia de Les. They started by reminding the

437
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 2: court that shortly after being arrested, De True's accomplice, michel

438
00:30:20,640 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: Le Lievre, said that both Nihoul and de Trux wanted

439
00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 2: him to get involved with their human trafficking scheme. The

440
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:31,120
Speaker 2: plan had been to bring young women from Slovakia to Belgium,

441
00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 2: where Nihool would place them in prostitution networks. From there.

442
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:40,280
Speaker 2: Letitia's lawyers drilled into the hard to ignore circumstantial evidence,

443
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,760
Speaker 2: namely the frenzy of phone calls between Nihoul, De True,

444
00:30:44,880 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: and l Lievre on the days leading up to of

445
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 2: and just after Letitia's disappearance, the quote payment of fifteen

446
00:30:53,600 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 2: thousand dollars worth of ecstasy pills from Nihoul to l

447
00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 2: Lieva and De True on the day after the kidnapping,

448
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 2: and the testimony from Letitia herself that just after being kidnapped,

449
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: she overheard a telephone conversation between the True and a

450
00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 2: certain Jean Michel where de True had said quote it worked.

451
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,960
Speaker 2: Remember that Michel Nihoul was often also referred to as

452
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Speaker 2: Jean Michel. You'll recall that after the True and Nihoule

453
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Speaker 2: were arrested back in nineteen ninety six, there was a

454
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Speaker 2: public call for any other witnesses to come forward with information.

455
00:31:29,800 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 2: The people who came forward were called the ex witnesses

456
00:31:32,800 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: to protect their identities X one, x two, x three,

457
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:40,400
Speaker 2: and so forth. In the last episode, we covered the

458
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:44,400
Speaker 2: shocking testimony of one of these ex witnesses named Regina Louf,

459
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 2: concerning Nihoul's direct involvement with her abuse as a child.

460
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Speaker 5: I remember Jean Michel nut as a very cruel man.

461
00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:56,800
Speaker 5: He abused children in a very sadistic way sometimes during

462
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Speaker 5: these parties.

463
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Speaker 2: Regina Loof was not called to testify the trial because

464
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Speaker 2: the investigation of her and other so called ex witnesses

465
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 2: was suddenly shut down back in nineteen ninety eight. Rudy Hoskins,

466
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Speaker 2: one of the gen Darmes who worked on the team

467
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: investigating Regina loose testimony, explain to me how this played out.

468
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Speaker 3: And at a certain point in time they started accusing

469
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 3: of of being suggestive and stuff like that. Wish was

470
00:32:24,760 --> 00:32:27,800
Speaker 3: for me, not the case. It was fact based. And

471
00:32:27,840 --> 00:32:32,160
Speaker 3: also the interviews everything was on tape. Everything was written

472
00:32:32,240 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 3: down literally because we had people just writing every word

473
00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 3: literally down. So for us there was no suggestivity. Was

474
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 3: just asking questions and getting answered and putting it on paper.

475
00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,680
Speaker 3: And then at a certain point in time they started

476
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:48,760
Speaker 3: accusing us. We were like suspended, and then they came

477
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 3: with why they called it proof. We called it like forgery,

478
00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 3: and they changed to words and then we said, hey, guys,

479
00:32:56,480 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 3: this is not good. What are they doing because this

480
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,480
Speaker 3: is not what we have written. And we still have

481
00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 3: that copy that's not the same and that is the

482
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Speaker 3: one we signed, but that's not what we wrote. And

483
00:33:07,920 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 3: there are more of them.

484
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Speaker 2: Remember, Rudy Hoskins and his team were originally brought in

485
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: to investigate Regina Loof and other ex witnesses at the

486
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Speaker 2: request of Judge Conrad. When Judge Conrad was removed from

487
00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: the case, a new judge named Jean Claude van Espen

488
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:26,920
Speaker 2: was put in charge of the ex witnesses, and he

489
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,120
Speaker 2: quickly moved to shut down the investigation.

490
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Speaker 3: We wrote like a memo to the judge to Valestment

491
00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 3: to say, okay, that's what we sent to Now we

492
00:33:36,480 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 3: see this against us, what's happening? Tell us we want

493
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:41,800
Speaker 3: to see you, we won't talk to you, and you

494
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:45,480
Speaker 3: refuse to see us anymore. Because Vanestment was a financial

495
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,600
Speaker 3: judge and we used to work with him a lot.

496
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Speaker 3: We were his preferred team, he was or preferred judge,

497
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Speaker 3: and at a certain point he didn't want to work

498
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 3: with us anymore. He didn't believe us anymore and he

499
00:33:57,080 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 3: didn't want to receive us anymore. And also van Espin

500
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:02,479
Speaker 3: he was also the judge on the Championet case in

501
00:34:02,560 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: eighty four when he was a young judge right, which

502
00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,960
Speaker 3: was also a bit a bit worrying.

503
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Speaker 2: So the new judge van Espin was the original judge

504
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 2: who oversaw the horrific Champignier case in the eighties that

505
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 2: Rudy and his team were now reinvestigating, which meant the

506
00:34:19,520 --> 00:34:22,759
Speaker 2: judge would have to overturn his previous decisions and have

507
00:34:22,880 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: his judgment question if the new investigation were to yield results.

508
00:34:26,719 --> 00:34:30,600
Speaker 2: This was a clear conflict of interest. There's another important

509
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 2: detail about Judge van Espin that Rudy and his team

510
00:34:33,680 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: didn't know at the time that he had a connection

511
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: with Michelle Nihoul. He and his ex wife reportedly had

512
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: been friends with Nihoul, and van Espin had represented Niehool's

513
00:34:44,719 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: wife as a young lawyer, and his sister was the

514
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:49,840
Speaker 2: godmother of one of Nihoul's children.

515
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Speaker 5: And then it.

516
00:34:52,520 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 3: Started getting worse, and so we were suspended to We

517
00:34:55,360 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 3: were put in a room without any cases anymore, without

518
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:01,959
Speaker 3: any work and h We asked ourselves every day, why

519
00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:06,480
Speaker 3: what did we do wrong? We also got discilinary proceedings

520
00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 3: against us. Everything they could.

521
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:12,879
Speaker 2: They did they could. Why do you think they were

522
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 2: doing that?

523
00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: That's a good question. We still ask ourselves that question.

524
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 3: That we came too close. Probably were there some things

525
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:22,840
Speaker 3: that they didn't want us to dig up? Probably? Was

526
00:35:22,880 --> 00:35:25,040
Speaker 3: it all through what he was seeing? Probably not? Was

527
00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 3: it all through that the other axes were saying? Probably not?

528
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 3: But some things were right. But what things that happened

529
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 3: in that that pier were so strange. I still remember

530
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:41,880
Speaker 3: driving home every evening and asking myself, are we followed

531
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: or not? I slept my gun on my pillow every night. Really,

532
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,680
Speaker 3: what the fuck did we do wrong? We just did

533
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,560
Speaker 3: or work, We checked facts and how we like the

534
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 3: criminals of Belgium.

535
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Speaker 2: All charges against Root and his team were eventually dropped

536
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:01,759
Speaker 2: and they were completely clear any wrongdoing. But after the

537
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 2: case was shut down, Regina Loof was almost totally discredited

538
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 2: as an unstable fantasist who made the whole story up.

539
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: The majority of Belgium press aligned with the police in

540
00:36:13,120 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: judicial hierarchy to declare that Regina Loof was making it

541
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:20,360
Speaker 2: all up. In an interview on Belgium's national TV channel,

542
00:36:20,560 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 2: Regina's parents were portrayed as a sweet old couple who

543
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,280
Speaker 2: were shocked and ashamed about the delusions of their phantasist daughter.

544
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 2: They completely denied her claims that she was abused as

545
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 2: a child by a family friend, despite actually having admitted

546
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,760
Speaker 2: that this was true to police and that they knowingly

547
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:43,120
Speaker 2: allowed the abuse to continue for several years. According to

548
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,759
Speaker 2: the psychologist who led the council of five psychiatrists to

549
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 2: assess Regina on order of the judiciary, it was determined

550
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,840
Speaker 2: that Loof had certainly suffered severe and prolonged sexual abuse

551
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 2: in her childhood, and that her testimony should be considered

552
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:02,400
Speaker 2: as credible. The shocking facts were reported by a small

553
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:05,320
Speaker 2: group of plucky journalists at the time. However, it was

554
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,440
Speaker 2: too late. The media cycle had moved on, The case

555
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 2: was closed and Regina Aloof was not invited to testify

556
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: at the trial in two thousand and four. Her testimony

557
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 2: may not have been needed to convict the True, but

558
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: she was another link that connected Michel Nihul to a

559
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 2: wider conspiracy. On June twenty second, two thousand and four,

560
00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:28,799
Speaker 2: the verdict came in.

561
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Speaker 7: The most reviled man in Belgium, Mark du True, was

562
00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:38,760
Speaker 7: convicted of kidnapping and holding six hostage, and of torturing

563
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Speaker 7: and killing four of them. The twelve member during an

564
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 7: army base for fear an attempt would be made on

565
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Speaker 7: his life.

566
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Speaker 3: Had sat through three months.

567
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 7: Of evidence horrific details which will stay with them. It

568
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 7: had taken just three days to consider two hundred and

569
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 7: forty three counts against the True and against his ex

570
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 7: wife and two other alleged accomplices.

571
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Speaker 2: Finally, the truce fate was known. He was sentenced to

572
00:38:03,200 --> 00:38:07,280
Speaker 2: the maximum life in prison. His wife, Michelle Martin, received

573
00:38:07,320 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: thirty years and l'alevre got twenty five years. The crux

574
00:38:12,239 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: of the case now centered on Michel Niho. The jury

575
00:38:16,000 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 2: convicted him of drug charges related to the ecstasy trafficking,

576
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: but they got stuck on the question of his involvement

577
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 2: with the disappearance of Letitia de Les. Douglas Daconic takes

578
00:38:26,600 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: us back to this key moment.

579
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Speaker 5: Mainly the verdict in Belgium starts with guilty, yes or no.

580
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Speaker 5: And it's not just guilty of one crime.

581
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Speaker 1: No.

582
00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 5: He divides the question in like hundreds of sub questions,

583
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 5: and we were there with your list and your number,

584
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 5: and it was number one, yes, yes, yes, number two yes,

585
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 5: yes yes, for maybe an hour that just went on

586
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 5: and at a certain moment to reach the moment where

587
00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 5: he had the accusation against Michelle Niull being part of

588
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,880
Speaker 5: kittapping of Letitia del that was like the main point,

589
00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 5: but there it was five seven. That means that jurors

590
00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 5: don't want to take a decision. Theoretically they have voted

591
00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 5: and seven have set guilty, five accept none guilty, And

592
00:39:09,440 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 5: in that case it's the president of the trial who

593
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 5: must answer the question does he follow the majority or not?

594
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,320
Speaker 2: So despite the seven to five guilty vote. The president

595
00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 2: of the trial made the final call and decided that

596
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,160
Speaker 2: there wasn't enough evidence to convict the whole of involvement

597
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 2: with the disappearance of Letitia d Llas. It's incredible how

598
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Speaker 2: closely who was to being convicted.

599
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Speaker 5: But just a few weeks earlier you had the lawyer

600
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Speaker 5: of Michellalevren. He was very close to the defense of

601
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,400
Speaker 5: Michelle mule and during the trial I had the impression

602
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:44,560
Speaker 5: that he was working for Michelle Yulee, not for Lievre.

603
00:39:45,120 --> 00:39:48,480
Speaker 5: And so what happens at a certain moment. There's a

604
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 5: guy it was during number five. He was a butcher

605
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 5: from a village near Arlons and he asked the question,

606
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Speaker 5: but is the lawyer of Lalievre said in his question,

607
00:40:00,600 --> 00:40:04,600
Speaker 5: he has used this word, which means that he already

608
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 5: has an opinion about the guilt of my client. And

609
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 5: in that case, if you do that as a juror,

610
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Speaker 5: they sent you away us as reporters. He didn't say

611
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Speaker 5: that word. He didn't. I know these jurors as well,

612
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 5: was saying, well, what's happening here, and he's just inventing

613
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Speaker 5: because they were warned not to ask leading questions but

614
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Speaker 5: this guy is during number five, he starts panicking and

615
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Speaker 5: he takes his hands makes the form of a gun.

616
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Speaker 2: So juring Number five made the sign of a gun

617
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Speaker 2: with his hand in a way to say, shoot me now,

618
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Speaker 2: which was an obvious no note in the world of

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Speaker 2: jury behavior.

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Speaker 5: That was the point when he had to be sent away,

621
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Speaker 5: not because of the words he used, because of his

622
00:40:44,600 --> 00:40:49,239
Speaker 5: stupid reaction. And afterwards, after the five seven verdict, all

623
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Speaker 5: these jurors were in the bar where we as journalists

624
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:57,120
Speaker 5: had spent four months having lunch drinking beers. So he

625
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 5: approached them and he said, hi, oh a. We said,

626
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,319
Speaker 5: we are allowed to talk to jewelers, but everybody knows

627
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:05,280
Speaker 5: it happens, and they all said the same thing. Nil

628
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 5: has been saved by sending away number five because number thirteen,

629
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Speaker 5: who replaced him, she was the one. She hadn't followed

630
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:16,879
Speaker 5: the trial that much to her vote that decided that

631
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:21,600
Speaker 5: Michel Jule did not kidnap more than one jewelers said

632
00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 5: the butcher would have been there, it would have been

633
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 5: eight four, and eight four is guilty.

634
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Speaker 2: By the skin of his teeth. Nihul avoided being convicted

635
00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:33,799
Speaker 2: of involvement with the kidnappings, thus officially closing the door

636
00:41:33,920 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 2: on the question of a wider network. By throwing out

637
00:41:38,160 --> 00:41:42,080
Speaker 2: the testimony of ex witnesses not presenting the theory involving

638
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 2: the red Ford Fiesta, and the unwillingness to explore additional

639
00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:50,359
Speaker 2: DNA testing on over five thousand hairs, the judiciary sent

640
00:41:50,440 --> 00:41:53,359
Speaker 2: a clear message they had no interest in finding out

641
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: who else may have been involved next time on the Monstra.

642
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 2: While the trial may have brought some closure, the aftermath

643
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 2: offers more pain as accomplices one by one walk free

644
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,720
Speaker 2: and Mark de True makes his plan to join them.

645
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Speaker 2: Episode eleven will be released on November eighth, followed by

646
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Speaker 2: the season finale on November fifteenth. Stay Tuned le Monstra

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Speaker 2: is a production of Tenderfoot TV and iHeart Radio, hosted

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Speaker 2: and executive produced by me Matt Graves, produced by Thomas

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Speaker 2: Resimont of Bubble Sound. Donald Albright and Payne Lindsay are

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Speaker 2: executive producers on the behalf of Tenderfoot TV with producer

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Speaker 2: Makeup and Vanity Set. Matt Frederick and Alex Williams are

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Speaker 2: executive producers on the behalf of iHeartRadio with producer Trevor Young.

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Speaker 2: Original music by Jay Ragsdale. Sound design by Cooper Skinner

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Speaker 2: and Thomas Resimont, mixed and mastered by Cooper Skinner. Cover

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Speaker 2: design by Tree Trever Eiler. La Monstra includes archival audio

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Speaker 2: from SONYMA, RTBF Archives and CNN Archives. Special thanks to

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Speaker 2: Backmedia and Marketing Station sixteen, Jean Savigna, and the teams

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Speaker 2: at iHeartRadio and tenderfoot TV. Find us on social media

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Speaker 2: at Monster Underscore pod. For more podcasts from iHeartRadio or

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Speaker 2: Tenderfoot TV, visit the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever

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Speaker 2: you listen to your favorite shows,