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Speaker 1: Can't. I am six forty.

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Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: app Coming up after two point thirty, the US Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court is going to finally hear a case about cities

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Speaker 2: right a city's right to get people off the streets

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Speaker 2: who are camping. I think that's the euphemism all the

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Speaker 2: mental patients and drug addicts who sleep in tents and

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Speaker 2: public areas. There's been a confusing set of Appeals Court's decisions,

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Speaker 2: mostly misread by people in power, and finally the whole

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Speaker 2: mess is going to the US Supreme Court. We're going

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Speaker 2: to talk to Kent Schydecker, he's the legal director for

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Speaker 2: the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation to explain this case. There's

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Speaker 2: a lot of states and cities, and certainly Los Angeles

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Speaker 2: and San Francisco have an extreme interest in this because

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Speaker 2: there are courts that have and a lot of it's

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Speaker 2: the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals who have issued a

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Speaker 2: confusing set of decisions which I think which I think

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Speaker 2: a lot of these cities and states intentionally misread because

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Speaker 2: it gives them cover to continue their pro vagrant policies

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Speaker 2: to keep their cities filthy. We'll get to that coming

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Speaker 2: up after two thirty. Okay, Now onto Nathan Hackman. Nathan

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Speaker 2: Hochman's run of the leading candidates for La County District Attorney,

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Speaker 2: and he was holding a press conference today outside of

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Speaker 2: George Gascon's office demanding that Gascone get rid of Tiffany

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Speaker 2: black Now as his chief of staff. Nathan's going to

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Speaker 2: come on and explain why, Nathan, how are you very well?

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Speaker 3: John? Thanks for inviting me on.

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Speaker 1: Did you just have this press conference? Is an upcoming?

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Speaker 3: We just had it. It was right in front of

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Speaker 3: the Hall of Justice, George Gascon's office, and I demanded,

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Speaker 3: not just as a candidate for a District Attorney, but

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Speaker 3: as a citizen of La County, that he terminated Tiffany

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Speaker 3: Blacknell is chief of staff who took her first day

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Speaker 3: of office today. Because she is the most pro criminal,

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Speaker 3: anti police chief of staff the LA District Attorney's Office

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Speaker 3: has ever had.

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Speaker 2: She has written a number of incendiary things online. She

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Speaker 2: part of the Rodney King riots back in the early nineties.

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Speaker 3: And very true and she actually has written that is,

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Speaker 3: she's described the police as barbarians, an occupying army. She's

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Speaker 3: saying that the police are trained to kill us. You know, again,

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Speaker 3: when you want to send a message to your own prosecutors,

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Speaker 3: to law enforcement, and to the public that you're going

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Speaker 3: to be someone to prosecute crime, this is the opposite

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Speaker 3: of that message. And by the way, consistent with Gascon's

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Speaker 3: message that he's more interested in criminals rights than victims' rights.

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Speaker 2: It's interesting after three years of getting so much criticism

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Speaker 2: for his policies and he's weeks away from this election,

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Speaker 2: is primary election where he's not doing well in the polls.

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Speaker 2: I mean that he would stick a finger in everybody's

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Speaker 2: with Tiffany. Tiffany Blacknell, here is my chief of staff.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I mean that's outrageous nerve.

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Speaker 3: I mean, stick a finger is one way to describe it.

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Speaker 3: I viewed as a slap in the face. I mean,

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Speaker 3: imagine if your law enforcement, you're the police chief or

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Speaker 3: to work in Los Angeles, and not only is the

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Speaker 3: down on that message by putting someone who's never been

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Speaker 3: public defender her whole life, she's had these incendiary statements

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Speaker 3: There are barbarians, you know, they are an occupying army.

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Speaker 3: And this is the one. The person that he has

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Speaker 3: I'd say it was shocking. If not it was consistent

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Speaker 1: Does he have a political death wish here?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this really is the stupidest thing to do,

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Speaker 2: you know, six seven weeks before a primary election, when

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Speaker 2: he's got ten people running against him, you know, with you,

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Speaker 3: Again, if ever you could, you know, if George Gascon's

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Speaker 3: Boasting that he has saved violent and serious offenders over

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Speaker 3: ten thousand years of prison time, which the evidence in

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Speaker 1: He's great, way, way well to time out. I haven't

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Speaker 1: heard this one before.

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Speaker 2: He's actually bragging that he saved ten thousand years worth

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Speaker 3: Correct, over ten thousand years of prison time has not

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Speaker 3: gone to violent and serious offenders because he won't bring

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Speaker 3: that is a badge of honor for him. And what's

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Speaker 3: iron ironical is that ironic is that it would be

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Speaker 3: a badge of shame for a district attorney that's supposed

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Speaker 3: does not get it.

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Speaker 2: How does having Tiffany Blackneil as his chief of staff?

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Speaker 2: How do you think can you explain how that would

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Speaker 2: affect prosecutions cases of the behavior of the deputy das well.

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Speaker 3: Again, she has a very loud say in the policies

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Speaker 3: While Tiffany Blacknail is sort of cracking the whip on

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Speaker 3: those nine hundred plus prosecutors. And again it's shocking that

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Speaker 3: Gascon's reliance on people who have no experience because he

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Speaker 2: As you've been campaigning, meeting a lot of people, appearing

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Speaker 2: what kind of sense do you get on how the

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Speaker 2: What do you think the general understanding of this race

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Speaker 3: I think that the general understanding is that the public

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Speaker 3: finally gets it that the DA's position is very important

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Speaker 3: and crucial for their own safety, the safety of themselves,

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Speaker 3: across the political spectrum. It's not risk Republicans, it's Democrats

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Speaker 3: that have been generously supporting my campaign. In fact, we've

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Speaker 3: seeing a groundswell of anger and support that is going

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Speaker 3: to ride George Gascon out of office, starting first in

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Speaker 3: the March twenty twenty four primaries, and then if he

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Speaker 3: when I beat him. Our polling shows if that election

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Speaker 3: was today, I would beat him by fifteen to twenty points.

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Speaker 2: All right, well, I wish you a lot of luck,

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Speaker 2: and we'll certainly talk again before before election day in

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Speaker 2: March for the primary. Give out your information if people

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Speaker 2: on to access your website to read more about you,

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Speaker 2: to donate the campaign.

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Speaker 1: What is that website?

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Speaker 3: Sure, the website is Nathan Hawkman natchan Hocchman dot com.

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Speaker 2: And John, thank you very much for having me on anytime.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on, Nathan, appreciate it. Talk with

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Speaker 2: you again soon. That's Nathan Hockman, And if you don't

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Speaker 2: know his background, he is a former federal prosecutor, an

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Speaker 2: City Ethics Commission, and he has been polling well in

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Speaker 2: this race to replace Gascon. Others have as well, and

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Speaker 2: will certainly be highlighting other candidates. But you know, he

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Speaker 2: made the case today against Tiffany black Now, who is

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Speaker 2: Gascone is a disaster. Tiffany Blackmail is a disaster, and

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Speaker 2: it's really a shame that we all have to live

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Speaker 2: through this. But that's why you got to pay attention.

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Speaker 2: You got to vote. You got to get up on

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Speaker 2: election day in the first week, first Tuesday in March,

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Speaker 2: and you got to vote against Gascon. You know, we

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Speaker 2: could change this. There's fourteen thousand cases that he is

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Speaker 2: not prosecuted intentionally, fourteen thousand sitting in the system. And

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Speaker 2: this I hadn't heard before, where Nathan Hockman said he's

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Speaker 2: bragging that he has saved ten thousand hours of prison

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Speaker 2: time for felony prisoners by withholding charges against them that

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Speaker 2: and he's bragging about it. So we're beyond debating this.

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Speaker 2: There's no more conversations to have. It's impossible to converse

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Speaker 2: with these people. They simply have to be removed. Gascone

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Speaker 2: has to be removed and forced to take Tiffany Blackneil

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Speaker 2: with him. She is a piece of work. She is

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Speaker 2: about is I've never seen such a public cop hater

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Speaker 2: in me. Go look at her social media. Holy mackerel.

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Speaker 2: You know, another cluster b situation. More coming up.

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Speaker 4: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM

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Speaker 4: six forty.

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Speaker 2: Coming up at two point thirty, we are going to

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Speaker 2: talk with Kent Scheidegger. He's the legal director of the

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Speaker 2: Criminal Justice Legal Foundation. He has filed a brief as

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Speaker 2: court decision. It's actually there's been several court decisions that

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Speaker 2: has made it so, they say, very difficult for cities

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Speaker 2: in public areas like sidewalks, rhodes parks. The US Supreme

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Speaker 2: Court has agreed to hear it appeal. Los Angeles and

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Speaker 2: San Francisco and San Diego also wants this ruling overturned.

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Speaker 2: It was in twenty nineteenth Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals

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Speaker 2: another case which was the City of Grant's Pass versus Johnson.

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Speaker 2: So hopefully everyone rational in this world is hoping the

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court will overturn these appeals Court decisions. Kent Sidegger,

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Speaker 2: the legal director, is going to explain the details.

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Speaker 1: This is important. This could have a.

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Speaker 2: Real impact on all the mental patients and drug addicts

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Speaker 2: running around in the streets making life unpleasant for us.

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Speaker 1: That's just after the two thirty news.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this briefly the other day, and now

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Speaker 2: there's a video and I've just seen screenshots of it.

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Speaker 2: This is not something that maybeybe It's out there.

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Speaker 1: I don't know yet.

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Speaker 2: It's about the guy who has found dead inside the

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Speaker 2: engine of that Delta plane in Utah.

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Speaker 1: Remember that story.

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Speaker 2: They have a lot of detail now on how he

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Speaker 2: ended up inside the engine. His name was Kyler Effinger,

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Speaker 2: thirty years old of Park City. This happened on New

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Speaker 2: Year's Day. He climbed into the turbine of the aircraft.

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Speaker 2: It was sitting on the Salt Lake City Airport awaiting takeoff.

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Speaker 2: There was one hundred people on board, so they've first

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Speaker 2: We're going to talk with Ken Scheidegger from he's the

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Speaker 2: Two hundred and eighty square feet. That's it, two hundred

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Speaker 2: Supreme Court announced this week it's going to hear an

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Speaker 2: right now. How are you, Kent?

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Speaker 6: Very good? Thank you?

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Speaker 2: Can you explains as easily as possible for people who

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Speaker 6: Well, there's an old case by the US Supreme Court

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Speaker 6: And that violates that old case, which is pretty absurd

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Speaker 6: because you know, criminal law generally involves some act, and

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Speaker 2: Right, they were being arrested for the act of sleeping

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Speaker 6: That's correct.

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Speaker 1: And did the cities.

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Speaker 6: Well, there's a lot of variation, but you know, it

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Speaker 2: The court put any restrictions on sleeping in public? Didn't

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Speaker 2: Well that's what I remember, because I had this argument

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Speaker 6: So I thought that the Grant's Pass case. But I mean,

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Speaker 2: So the only way for the city to respond to

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Speaker 2: You something from another direction because it is part of

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Speaker 6: Why that's part of the debate over what's the proper

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Speaker 2: Right, So you're taking issue with the whole premise that

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Speaker 6: Naturally not an Eighth Amendment case. I mean, the old

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Speaker 2: What about people who are not in their right mind.

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Speaker 2: Right at least they have a shot to talk to them.

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Speaker 6: Unless they are so far gone that they're considered a

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Speaker 6: danger to themselves or to others. That's the standard that

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Speaker 6: was laid down many years ago, and that in itself

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Speaker 6: is a controversy and a related one that maybe we

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Speaker 6: went too far in that, and that people who were

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Speaker 6: just in need of help and unable to rationally decide

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Speaker 6: whether to accept it should also become within the involuntary commitment.

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Speaker 2: Is it unreasonable to expect the Supreme Court with its

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Speaker 2: current makeup to throw out the Court of Appeals decision?

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Speaker 6: Oh No, I think it's quite reasonable to expect it.

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Speaker 6: I was surprised and they didn't take the Boise case

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Speaker 6: a couple of years ago, but now they've taken it up.

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Speaker 6: But the Ninth Circuit is out by itself. None of

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Speaker 6: the other circuits have gone that way, and I think

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Speaker 6: there's a strong chance this decision will is that right.

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Speaker 2: No other appeals court went along with this because obviously

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Speaker 2: the homeless situation in the West is far worse than

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Speaker 2: the other parts of the country, from Seattle to San

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Speaker 2: Francisco to Los Angeles to San Diego. You don't see

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Speaker 2: this kind of stuff in New York and Boston and Washington.

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Speaker 1: They got their problems, But it's.

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Speaker 6: Part because it doesn't get as cold on the California

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Speaker 6: coast or in the Central Valley as it does in Boston.

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Speaker 6: That's part of it. But another part is the laxity

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Speaker 6: of government, in part because of this ruling and in

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Speaker 6: part because some of our cities are just very badly

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Speaker 6: run by people who don't know what they're doing right.

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Speaker 2: This really affected California, Alaska, Washington, Montana, Idaho, Oregon, Nevada, Arizona,

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Speaker 2: and Hawaii, just those nine states.

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Speaker 6: Correct, that's the Ninth Circuit.

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Speaker 2: Yes, all right, Kent Scheidegger, thank you for coming on.

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Speaker 2: And he helps understand.

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Speaker 1: This and he's the.

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Speaker 2: Legal director for the Criminal Justice Legal Foundation. It is

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Speaker 2: good news that the Supreme Court has accepted this, this

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Speaker 2: pair of cases, and maybe they'll reverse these decisions and

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Speaker 2: then the cities will no longer have an excuse not

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Speaker 2: to remove all the vagrants, drug addicts, and crazy people

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Speaker 2: that are littering the public spaces. Deborah mark is, Oh,

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Speaker 2: coming up, just this promo is worth tuning in. We're

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Speaker 2: going to talk about the professor, his wife cooking vegan food,

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Speaker 2: and two porn stars. Oh that's exciting, all in one story.

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Speaker 5: Wow, that's the tease.

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Speaker 1: You'll be amused by this.

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Speaker 4: I'm sure you're listening to John Cobelt on demand from

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Speaker 4: KFI AM six forty.

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Speaker 2: John Cobelt Show KFI AM six forty Live everywhere on

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Speaker 2: the iHeartRadio app. We are going to what did I

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Speaker 2: say we were going to do a three o'clock He.

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Speaker 5: Said something about vegan That's all.

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Speaker 1: That's coming up next. Oh, I know.

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Speaker 2: I just made a big mess here three o'clock we're

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Speaker 2: going to have Katie Grimes from in californiaglobe dot com

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Speaker 2: because in Sacramento they have a tiny apartment project that's

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Speaker 2: opening up. They spent four hundred seventy eight thousand dollars

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Speaker 2: per unit. These tiny homes are two hundred and eighty

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Speaker 2: square feet four hundred and seventy eight thousand dollars. That's

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Speaker 2: the big project that the mayor's really proud of. It's

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Speaker 2: hard to believe. Here's the story better professor, his wife,

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Speaker 2: vegan cooking and porn stars. Now, you know, I think

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Speaker 2: that that vegan people are a little occasionally unbalanced.

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Speaker 5: Occasionally.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. There's a professor at the University of Wisconsin Lacrosse.

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Speaker 2: He's actually the chance His name is Joe gal g Ow.

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Speaker 2: Joe Gal has a wife named Carmen, and they're vegans,

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Speaker 2: and they like to make and post videos spotlighting vegan recipes,

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Speaker 2: Like you're in the kitchen with Joe and Carmen and

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Speaker 2: they show you how to make vegan food.

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Speaker 5: What's wrong with that?

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Speaker 1: Well, then they invite porn.

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Speaker 2: Stars to appear as guests and they help prepare the

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Speaker 2: vegan recipes naked. Well, you know, after preparing the vegan recipes,

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Speaker 2: it's followed by more explicit videos.

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Speaker 1: They have a law. They have an only fans account.

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Speaker 5: So are you saying that vegan food turns people on?

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Speaker 1: Apparently?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it makes them very sexually active, like they've got

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Speaker 2: They've got a They show a clip from Well the

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Speaker 2: professor and his wife are tasting vegan pizza after having

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Speaker 2: sex with the porn star guest.

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Speaker 5: Oh they Oh my gosh, so they're having sex?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Did I not make that clear?

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Speaker 5: I don't think so.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 5: I thought they were just guests and the porn stars

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Speaker 5: were having sex with each other. I didn't know that

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Speaker 5: the cooks.

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Speaker 2: Were the cooks and the porn stars have after making

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Speaker 2: the vegan Does.

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Speaker 5: This make you think anything different about vegans? I mean,

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Speaker 5: you know, you like to talk about sex all the time.

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Speaker 2: I'm not on the sofa with two porn stars.

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Speaker 1: What's going on in your house? Not that?

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Speaker 2: So Joe and Carmen. They call themselves the Passionate Plant

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Speaker 2: Powered Couple. Okay, okay. They post videos on their account

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Speaker 2: called Sexy Happy Couple. So they start with preparing the

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Speaker 2: vegan recipes. Then the adult film stars come to the

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Speaker 2: kitchen and everybody makes the food. They eat the food

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Speaker 2: and then the whole group passed sex together, and now

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Speaker 2: he has been suspended from his school. Apparently didn't go

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Speaker 2: over well with thee at the head of the university.

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Speaker 2: You know, he's upset. He goes, I think we have

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Speaker 2: people on the board that say they're for free speech,

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Speaker 2: but really they aren't. I don't know how they're going

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Speaker 2: to explain this. He's threatening to sue. They've put goal

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Speaker 2: unpaid administrative leave. He was going to retire as chancellor

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Speaker 2: at the end of the school year and then come

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Speaker 2: back as a teacher, and the gal is saying he's

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Speaker 2: going to be filing a lawsuit. So what happens is

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Speaker 2: is after you watch the recipe with the porn stars,

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Speaker 2: the account tells users to go to their only fans

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Speaker 2: page for explicit scenes, and you see and I don't

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Speaker 2: know if the food's involved in those scenes, doesn't say.

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Speaker 5: Doesn't say what kind of vegan recipes.

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Speaker 2: These could be multipurpose vegetables that they use. Now he's

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Speaker 2: also upset because some they've been abandoned by some of

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Speaker 2: their friends.

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Speaker 5: Well, I mean, if their friends aren't into that kind

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Speaker 5: of thing.

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Speaker 1: The professor.

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Speaker 2: The professor says he and his wife have spent around

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Speaker 2: one hundred thousand dollars on holidays indulging their passions.

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Speaker 5: Vegan food's expensive, and then you grow that with some

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Speaker 5: porn stars.

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Speaker 2: I guess I guess they have to pay the porn stars, right, sure,

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Speaker 2: you know those girls don't do it for free.

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Speaker 1: I mean Carmen.

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Speaker 2: The wife said that her mom was not super excited

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Speaker 2: at hearing this story. The family reaction is a challenge

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Speaker 2: some of the adult film stars they've had. For example,

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Speaker 2: they had a man and a woman, Danny Mountain and

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Speaker 2: me and m Culva. They had Lauren Phillips on one day.

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Speaker 2: I don't know these people. No, no, okay, you haven't

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Speaker 2: watched any vegan porn show.

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Speaker 6: No I have.

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Speaker 5: That is just not my thing. I'll watched vegan recipes

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Speaker 5: without the porn.

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Speaker 2: Lauren Phillips was flirting with a gown, his wife telling

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Speaker 2: the couple they were delicious.

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Speaker 1: Enough of this.

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Speaker 5: Yah, thanks John that and now you're going to do

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Speaker 5: the news.

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Speaker 1: What'd you bring for lunch?

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Speaker 5: Right now? I'm eating some.

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Speaker 2: Chips chips, Okay, yeah, that's a sexy food. They are

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Speaker 2: spending four hundred and seventy eight four hundred seventy eight

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars per unit in Sacramento on tiny homes for vagrants. Seriously,

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Speaker 2: that's and and the mayor of Sacramento, Darryl Steinberg, is,

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Speaker 2: We're very proud of this. We are going to talk

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Speaker 2: to Katie Grimes from californiaglobe dot com, who's done a

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Speaker 2: story exposing all the details the massive amount of money

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Speaker 2: they have spent on these tiny homes. So Katie Grimes

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Speaker 2: is next. Deborah Mark is live in the KFI twenty

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Speaker 2: four hour newsroom. Hey, you've been listening to the John

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Speaker 2: Cobalt Show podcast. You can always hear the show live

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Speaker 2: on KFI Am six forty from one to four pm

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