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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff to Blow Your Mind, a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Hey you welcome to Weird House Cinema.

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Speaker 3: This is Rob Lamb and this is Joe McCormick. And

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Speaker 3: today on Weird House Cinema we are going to be

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Speaker 3: talking about the nineteen eighty three Hong Kong martial arts

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Speaker 3: fantasy film Zoo Warriors from the Magic Mountain, directed by T.

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Speaker 3: Sue Hawk, And Oh my god, this movie is so much.

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Speaker 3: This is one of the most overwhelming films we have

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Speaker 3: ever watched for the show. And I've been wanting to

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Speaker 3: cover it for quite a while, or at least for

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Speaker 3: several months, because in sometime last year, I think it

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Speaker 3: was November of last year, we covered another movie by Soyhawk,

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Speaker 3: the nineteen seventy nine film The Butterfly Murders, which did

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Speaker 3: involve killer butterflies and also had just crazy intrigue, a

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Speaker 3: lot of like politics and backstabbing and assassins and cool characters,

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Speaker 3: you know, the Big Boss of the Gangs and the

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Speaker 3: Green Shadow and all these wonderful characters. I loved that movie.

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Speaker 3: But when I went to check that movie out at

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Speaker 3: Video Drome, I think they actually didn't have it, but

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Speaker 3: they told me about another movie by the same director.

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Speaker 3: They were like, oh, yeah, you should see Zoo Warriors.

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Speaker 3: That one's really good. And so ever since, it has

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Speaker 3: been on the list, and some further investigation online proved

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Speaker 3: that this movie has a reputation as an absolute banquet

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Speaker 3: of weirdness, just bursting with gonzo sorcery, shrieking demons, and

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Speaker 3: relentless exuberance. And now that I've seen it, I can say,

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Speaker 3: not only did it deliver on my expectations, it sort

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Speaker 3: of goes beyond. I found Zoo Warriors from the Magic

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Speaker 3: Mountain to be immensely pleasurable, frankly to the point of exhaustion,

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Speaker 3: like a kind of excess of pleasure that became pain,

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Speaker 3: And by the end, I was just like, what has

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is one of those movies that I maybe

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Speaker 2: should have watched in short installments. Sometimes I watch movies

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Speaker 2: like that sometimes because I'll watch a movie that's maybe

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Speaker 2: a little bit boring and I don't want to watch

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Speaker 2: it all in one setting because it would be impossible.

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Speaker 2: This one, it's it's the opposite. It's everything is just

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Speaker 2: so exciting and it just doesn't stop that you feel

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Speaker 2: like you almost need a breather between these action sequences

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Speaker 2: because the narrative itself doesn't necessarily provide those breathers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and other viewers I've read have commented about this

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Speaker 3: quality of the movie that it's absolutely wonderful, but by

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Speaker 3: the end it's like literally overwhelming. It's like too much

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Speaker 3: to take all at once. So I would just say

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Speaker 3: I do highly recommend Zoo Warriors from the Magic Mountain.

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Speaker 3: Once I was done watching it, I was like, I

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Speaker 3: must own a copy of this. I ordered a copy

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Speaker 3: to keep. But prepare thyself. Prepare thyself for more pinball

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Speaker 3: demons and eyebrow to tenta goles and bubble wrap hands

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Speaker 3: than you could have possibly imagined.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, this is there's high martial arts magic in

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Speaker 2: this film. I was looking around it. You know, this

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Speaker 2: is what different folks thought about it, and yeah, everyone

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Speaker 4: You know.

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Speaker 2: It was a huge hit, like a cross generational hit

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Speaker 2: is the kind of story we want to see, and

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Speaker 2: then new generations of film fans also got on board

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Speaker 2: like a vision of the future. It's high tech, special

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Speaker 2: effects cinema. And then you know, likewise, it quickly found

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Speaker 2: an audience outside of China as well. You know, for instance,

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Speaker 2: Michael Weldon in the Psychotronic Video Guide speaks highly of it,

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Speaker 3: A couple other things that I found really admirable about

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Speaker 3: The movie also, I think has a good heart, like

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Speaker 3: even though it is a film about war and demons

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Speaker 3: and supernatural combat, the moral Refrain is very much about

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Speaker 3: I were first talking about it off, Mike, you use

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree, And yeah, it is a film

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Speaker 2: it in terms of Hawk's other films, especially as earlier films,

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Speaker 2: and also comparing it dirrectly to The Butterfly Murders. The

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Speaker 2: Butterfly Murders is in many way very in many ways

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Speaker 2: by this film it seems like he has moved away

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Speaker 2: from some of the more controversial or confrontational elements of

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Speaker 2: his work, and in this movie he's crafting a film

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Speaker 2: that is funny, that is comforting, that is exciting, but yeah,

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Speaker 2: ultimately has a good heart and is not here to

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Speaker 3: Well, yeah, it at least has a I guess you

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Speaker 3: could say a semi happy ending, like it doesn't have

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Speaker 3: a bleak ending like Butterfly Murders where all the good

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Speaker 3: characters die. Yeah, not only do you remember Butterfly Murders

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Speaker 2: Yes in the face as our Yeah, yeah, it's that one, startling.

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Speaker 2: I still love Butterfly Murders. That's a great one. Well, Joe,

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Speaker 2: what is your elevator pitch? If we dare for Zoo

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Speaker 3: Well, the plot of Zoo Warriors is infamously difficult to

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Speaker 3: blood demon disciples all walk into a bar on a

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Speaker 2: That sounds about right. Well, let's go ahead and listen

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Speaker 2: to an English language trailer for this film.

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Speaker 4: Deep in the heart of every culture lives a legend

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Speaker 4: to destroy all mankind. But now the courage of one

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Speaker 4: with the power to bring about its destruction. Now restored

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Speaker 4: and remastered for the first time, Hong Kong Legends invite

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Speaker 4: you to experience the fantasy adventure which inspired a generation

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Speaker 4: Zoo Warriors from the Magic Mountain.

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Speaker 2: All right, it sounds exciting, but without the visuals you

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Speaker 2: only have like twenty percent maybe less of the spectacle here. Now,

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Speaker 2: if you were interested in watching Zoo Warriors before we

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Speaker 2: jump into it here, well, first of all, I do

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Speaker 2: want to stress there's more than one film that has

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Speaker 2: the title Zoo Warriors in it. There's more than one

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Speaker 2: Hawk film that is a Zoo Warrior film. We're talking

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Speaker 2: about the nineteen eighty three film to be clear. And

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Speaker 2: if you want to watch it, well we watch it

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Speaker 2: on the excellent twenty twenty three Blu Ray release from

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Speaker 2: Shout Factory. This is a Great Desk comes jam packed

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Speaker 2: with extras, some of which I'll be referring to, including

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Speaker 2: segments with Peter Koran and academics Victor Fan and Lynn Thing,

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Speaker 2: as well as an interview from twenty twenty with Hawk himself.

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Speaker 3: I didn't get a chance to get into the extras

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Speaker 3: but yeah, it looks like a lot of great stuff

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Speaker 3: I also I went for the Shout Factory one, but

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Speaker 3: there is I think the other version of this movie,

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Speaker 3: movie I think from two thousand and one, which I've

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Speaker 3: but it uses CGI, though I have so that on

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Speaker 3: one hand, you think two thousand and one CGI that

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Speaker 3: read some people saying very complimentary things about the movie

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Speaker 2: Well, that would make sense with Hawk, because he seems

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Speaker 2: than your average sort of scorpion king type usage. All right, well,

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Speaker 2: let's talk about the folks involved in this movie before

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Speaker 2: we have Choy Hawk here. If you have not set

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Speaker 2: and it looks kind of like Sue Hark. That might

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Speaker 2: but it's more like Choi Hawk. I've heard also sort

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Speaker 2: of a shoe hock, but Hawk will be the way

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Speaker 3: Referring to him, usually transliterated in English, most often as

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so he's a director here. Born in nineteen fifty

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Speaker 2: He studied film at Southern Methodist University and then at

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Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy seven. Now, we previously discussed Hawk in

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Speaker 2: The Butterfly Murders, which was his first attempt to breathe

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Speaker 3: I see a lot of commonality between these two movies,

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Speaker 3: even though they are very different in some ways. So

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Speaker 3: like The Butterfly Murderers is a much darker movie. I

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Speaker 3: think you could say that it's more focused, it's less

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Speaker 3: ambitious in some ways. But what's behind them is in

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Speaker 3: both cases what feels like just like a very steady

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Speaker 3: both cases it's just there's this kind of like really powerful,

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Speaker 3: relentless narrative drive, a lot of energy, no dullness, and

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Speaker 3: like incredible density of platam.

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Speaker 2: And definitely weirdness. Like I want to stress that this

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Speaker 2: isn't just a case of Hawk's work, especially as early

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Speaker 2: work being weird to westernize, only because I believe it

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Speaker 2: was Victor Fan and one of the extras on the

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Speaker 2: The screenwriter on the film is Chuck Hon Zetto, who

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Speaker 3: There are a lot of characters, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, So we have a master swordsman in this master

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Speaker 3: Oh Yeah. He's wearing a leather jacket with wide lapels

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Speaker 2: Another character we have, the Countess, played by Bridget Lynn.

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Speaker 3: Now this next actor you've got here, Rob, I'm very

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Speaker 3: We didn't realize it was the same actor, but he

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Speaker 3: So at this point you're probably thinking, Oh, that's got

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Speaker 2: No, I'm leaving out like whole central characters. I'm sure

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Speaker 3: Like our two main heroes basically.

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Speaker 2: but we also have these sort of lesser antagonists who

434
00:25:47,280 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: could easily be the big bad in any other Wushaw film.

435
00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: I'm thinking specifically of the Devil disciple Leader, which is

436
00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,640
Speaker 2: a super fun character in this Oh yes, there's some

437
00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 2: great sorceress actions scenes with this character and both, but

438
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: two different actors are credited as playing the role on

439
00:26:07,520 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 2: both databases that I was looking at. One is hark

440
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:13,160
Speaker 2: On Fung, who lived nineteen forty eight through twenty sixteen,

441
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:16,440
Speaker 2: and the other is Korey Jun born nineteen fifty one,

442
00:26:16,640 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 2: who we've talked about before on the show. I think

443
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,639
Speaker 2: maybe kore June is playing the action parts, like is

444
00:26:22,720 --> 00:26:25,360
Speaker 2: essentially the stunt actor here, but I'm not sure on that.

445
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:28,480
Speaker 2: Korey June had a bit part in The Oily Maniac

446
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:32,199
Speaker 2: and went on to have a really impressive career. Co

447
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:36,399
Speaker 2: directed The Transporter for Western audiences. I did two thousand

448
00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:39,440
Speaker 2: and six's doa Dead or Alive along with some really

449
00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 2: big Hong Kong films, and he was the stunt coordinator

450
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:43,320
Speaker 2: on this movie.

451
00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:44,679
Speaker 3: Okay.

452
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,320
Speaker 2: Fung, on the other hand, made a career out of

453
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:51,040
Speaker 2: playing bad guys. He appears in such films as Police Story,

454
00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:53,640
Speaker 2: It Man two and two thousand and four is Kung

455
00:26:53,680 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 2: Fu Hustle in a bit part. He's definitely the actor

456
00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 2: that we're looking at in most of the scenes where

457
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:02,440
Speaker 2: where you see the face of the Devil Disciple leader,

458
00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:03,160
Speaker 2: he's the.

459
00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 3: One who's like leading the Devil Disciple church service basically. Yeah,

460
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 3: you know, like the call and response sections where he

461
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:13,840
Speaker 3: is like, what do we do to nice people kill?

462
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: What do we do to people who help others kill?

463
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it's a funny character too. Yeah, but

464
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:24,320
Speaker 2: he gets to bust out some really cool like nightmare

465
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: lightning effects that are a whole lot of fun. Speaking

466
00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:30,840
Speaker 2: of effects, yeah, this is a big effects movie. It's

467
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:34,240
Speaker 2: just wall to wall after a while, and it certainly

468
00:27:34,240 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: involved multiple Hong Kong effects talents, but the film notably

469
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,000
Speaker 2: again makes use of Western effects specialists. Key here are

470
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,160
Speaker 2: Robert Blallack, who lived nineteen forty eight through twenty twenty two,

471
00:27:45,080 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 2: Peter Kuran, who's interviewed on the disc and then Chris Cassidy.

472
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:52,879
Speaker 2: All three of these individuals I believe worked on the

473
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,040
Speaker 2: original Star Wars and that's kind of like one of

474
00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 2: the main ends here, Like they were individuals who at

475
00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 2: the time we had been involved in and the biggest

476
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:09,480
Speaker 2: groundbreaking special effects movies that Hollywood was producing. Piles additional

477
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:13,840
Speaker 2: credits include the likes of Altered States and Wolfin Kuran

478
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,119
Speaker 2: also had worked again on Star Wars, but also just

479
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,200
Speaker 2: tons of famous practical effects movies such as Conan the Barbarian,

480
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 2: at least the first two RoboCop films, Grimlins, Critters two,

481
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 2: John Carpenter's The Thing, and much more. Cassidy worked on

482
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:34,119
Speaker 2: the first two Star Wars movies, Tron Freaked, Highlander two again,

483
00:28:34,200 --> 00:28:37,359
Speaker 2: just to name a few selections. And so some of

484
00:28:37,400 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 2: these I think most of them were more like consultants

485
00:28:41,640 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 2: from Afar, but at least one of them was on set.

486
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:47,600
Speaker 2: I think maybe Chriscasity was on set if I remember correctly.

487
00:28:48,080 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 2: So it was a matter of consulting, but also someone

488
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,720
Speaker 2: being there to practically show the Hong Kong team how

489
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 2: to do some of these effects and to help them

490
00:28:58,120 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 2: pull it off. For this movie.

491
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:04,200
Speaker 3: This movie is truly a feast for the eyes. And

492
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,840
Speaker 3: I think everything about it looks wonderful, not just the

493
00:29:07,840 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 3: special effects of the you know, animating the sorcery and

494
00:29:11,440 --> 00:29:14,160
Speaker 3: having people like walk on ceilings and fly around and

495
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 3: stuff that stuff. I do love the way that looks,

496
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 3: but everything looks great. I love the look of the sets,

497
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 3: both like the real location shots and the sets that

498
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 3: use like models and interior sets and set design there

499
00:29:27,960 --> 00:29:30,560
Speaker 3: of the temples and the palaces and all of that.

500
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 3: It's wonderful stuff. I love the costuming, especially like the

501
00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,440
Speaker 3: costuming of the armies, and the way that like the

502
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,600
Speaker 3: different colorful uniforms of the armies when they're clashing, really

503
00:29:42,720 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 3: enlivens what otherwise might be some of the duller action scenes.

504
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 3: It's just it's a great movie to look at in

505
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 3: every possible way.

506
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:55,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, absolutely. And the effects are I don't know

507
00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,840
Speaker 2: if this makes any sense, but so sometimes great effects

508
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 2: are you utilized very well to enhance a scene that

509
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: otherwise makes sense without those effects. But so many of

510
00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,560
Speaker 2: the effects sequences in this film are just like reality

511
00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 2: is transformed. You know, It's like you're just completely in

512
00:30:13,720 --> 00:30:18,200
Speaker 2: the matrix at any given moment, certainly for what felt

513
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: like two thirds of the picture, but in a way

514
00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:23,760
Speaker 2: that feels practical and grounded and you completely buy.

515
00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 3: Into yes, totally.

516
00:30:25,520 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 2: Now.

517
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:27,680
Speaker 3: One thing we haven't talked about yet that people do

518
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 3: bring up about this movie is the idea of Zoo

519
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 3: Warriors from the Magic Mountain being a major influence on

520
00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,560
Speaker 3: Big Trouble in Little China by John Carpenter.

521
00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:41,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, and I think you know, once you've seen

522
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:45,120
Speaker 2: both films, you see this connection. You can see that

523
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 2: the heightened martial arts sorcery that you see in Big

524
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:55,760
Speaker 2: Trouble in Little China does feel inspired by this film.

525
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 2: You know, Like this, like Big Trouble Little China is

526
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,080
Speaker 2: like a cocktail. It combines several different different elements, and

527
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 2: one of those elements is like the hard stuff from

528
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 2: this picture.

529
00:31:07,480 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 3: It's kind of Zoo Warriors meets Buckero Bonzai.

530
00:31:10,920 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly. And in those extras on the Shout

531
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 2: Factory disc Peter Karan mentions this a little bit. They

532
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 2: ask him, and it does seem like Carpenter and a

533
00:31:22,040 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 2: company were inspired by the visionary effects and use of

534
00:31:24,960 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 2: traditional Hong Kong stunts in this film, and it seems

535
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:30,480
Speaker 2: like they wanted to channel that energy and Big Trouble

536
00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: in Little China, and this may have included attempts to

537
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 2: recruit some of the same stuntmen, according to Koran, or

538
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: at least stunt men with expertise and some of the

539
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:42,080
Speaker 2: traditional Hong Kong fight techniques, like he mentioned specifically some

540
00:31:42,120 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 2: of the wire stuff. I don't think that that was

541
00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: necessarily an art form that people in the West were

542
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: able to imitate at that point, But I don't know

543
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 2: to what extent they fully pulled that off, because you

544
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 2: look at the credits and La born James Lou was

545
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 2: the fight choreographer and Big Trouble for instance, and I

546
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: think a lot of those guys that were stunt actors,

547
00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 2: you know, had sort of like La connections. But yeah,

548
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: you still you do see the possible influence of this

549
00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 2: film on Big Troubles, high magic and martial arts, though

550
00:32:14,240 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 2: to my eyes, not in a way that feels at

551
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 2: all like a rip off or anything. It's it's kind

552
00:32:18,720 --> 00:32:21,800
Speaker 2: of it's a lot like the way Hawk himself took

553
00:32:21,840 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: Hollywood's Hollywood effect techniques and made them his own for

554
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 2: this film, while John Carpenter and his crew took the

555
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 2: flavor of this kind of high wusha action and used

556
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 2: it in telling their own story.

557
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:35,720
Speaker 4: Yeah.

558
00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:37,800
Speaker 3: I mean the way that you can see a movie

559
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: and you're not going to copy the movie, but it

560
00:32:40,360 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 3: just sort of fills you with a kind of energy

561
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,479
Speaker 3: and you want to take that energy and make your

562
00:32:45,520 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 3: own version. And so I think a lot of filmmakers,

563
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 3: you know, I don't know, they saw Star Wars and

564
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,400
Speaker 3: it filled them with that kind of energy and they

565
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 3: wanted to go make their own thing. And I can

566
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,920
Speaker 3: totally see Zoo Warriors having that same kind of effect

567
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:02,640
Speaker 3: on people. It has just such an infectious, exuberant sense

568
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: of joy in storytelling and filmmaking. It's hard to imagine

569
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,920
Speaker 3: being a director in the eighties and seeing a movie

570
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 3: like this and not just feeling like pumped up to

571
00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 3: go make your own you know, to take that feeling

572
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 3: and go make something yourself.

573
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:20,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, And one more note. I just mentioned

574
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 2: really quickly here that the music is credited to Kwan Signal,

575
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,840
Speaker 2: who lived nineteen forty four through twenty eleven, Asia television

576
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 2: musical director with only a handful of credits. But I

577
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:32,840
Speaker 2: like the music in this film. There's one pitty that

578
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:34,960
Speaker 2: plays over and over again on the Blu Ray menu

579
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: that I kept coming back to, and it's it's nice

580
00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,480
Speaker 2: and sweeping and epic.

581
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I really like the music in it too.

582
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 3: All throughout I did notice there's one part in it

583
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 3: that either just is or sounds like Night on Bald Mountain.

584
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:50,600
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm talking about?

585
00:33:51,080 --> 00:33:53,320
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, now that you mention it, I do remember that.

586
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:56,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if that was just a incorporation of

587
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 3: Night on Bald Mountain into the score, or if it

588
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:00,719
Speaker 3: was something that was just kind of inspired by and

589
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 3: similar to it, and pay close enough attention, but it

590
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:05,600
Speaker 3: brings that kind of feeling of just like the demons

591
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:09,200
Speaker 3: are gathering on the mountaintop and looking down on the

592
00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 3: civilization and they are ready to strike.

593
00:34:22,000 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 2: Now, before we dive here into the story, I also

594
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:28,560
Speaker 2: want to mention really quickly, they didn't include like all

595
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,360
Speaker 2: of the questions that went along with the responses, But

596
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 2: Peter Karan on the interview segments on the Shop Factory

597
00:34:36,440 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: disc stresses three or four times that this movie does

598
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 2: have a story and points out that you might not

599
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,360
Speaker 2: catch it on your first viewing of the film, but

600
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 2: it's there and it's really good. He had a lot

601
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,200
Speaker 2: of great things to say about the production, but I

602
00:34:52,200 --> 00:34:54,000
Speaker 2: did find it funny that he stressed a few different

603
00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:55,919
Speaker 2: times that there is a story. There's a story here,

604
00:34:56,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 2: It's not just wall to wall eye melting special effects.

605
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:03,160
Speaker 3: This is a good disclaimer to insert at the beginning

606
00:35:03,200 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: of the place where we would normally do a full

607
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 3: plot breakdown. So if you've seen this movie, you will

608
00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:14,640
Speaker 3: understand trying to do a detailed plot recap may indeed

609
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:18,000
Speaker 3: drive a person mad. Current is right. It's not because

610
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 3: the movie doesn't have a story. It does. It's just

611
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:27,440
Speaker 3: that the movie is so thick with NonStop plot developments

612
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 3: and strange things that you would want to make note of.

613
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: If you were making notes normally on the plot of

614
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:36,920
Speaker 3: a movie, it's really almost impossible to keep up. So

615
00:35:37,320 --> 00:35:40,880
Speaker 3: I was watching it initially trying to make pretty detailed notes.

616
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,440
Speaker 3: At a certain point I just started getting overwhelmed. I

617
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 3: had to step back. And so part of what makes

618
00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:51,479
Speaker 3: this movie so pleasing is the same thing that makes

619
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,600
Speaker 3: it difficult to recap, that sort of relentless, enthusiastic drive

620
00:35:55,680 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 3: of the story toward new characters, strange new details and events.

621
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Speaker 3: So that is absolutely not a criticism of it. That

622
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:07,080
Speaker 3: is one of the things that's most wonderful about the film.

623
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,919
Speaker 3: But I think what this means is my notes about

624
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 3: the plot are going to have to be more detailed

625
00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 3: early on, and at a certain point we're gonna have

626
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:18,680
Speaker 3: to step back a bit and give a more zoomed

627
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:21,680
Speaker 3: out summary and maybe just focus on some individual things

628
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:24,400
Speaker 3: after that point that we want to talk about. But

629
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,200
Speaker 3: I do want to set the scene in detail. So

630
00:36:27,360 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 3: the first of all, after the beautiful Golden Harvest production

631
00:36:30,840 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: pre roll, which you know, it feels so good to see,

632
00:36:34,320 --> 00:36:38,040
Speaker 3: we get an opening voice over narration. It plays as

633
00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 3: the camera zooms through a model landscape of jagged, narrow

634
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: mountain peaks and bottomless canyons with lonely scrubby trees clinging

635
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,440
Speaker 3: to the rocks, and everything is just wrapped in a

636
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 3: cloak of fog, and the narrator says, Mount Chu was

637
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,600
Speaker 3: the collective name for the mountain chain in ancient Shoe

638
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 3: in western China. It is also the Sichuan of today.

639
00:37:01,800 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 3: Mount Hue was of great military and strategic importance in

640
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:09,120
Speaker 3: ancient China. As such, it was constantly in a state

641
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 3: of war, regardless of rain and dynasty. But in Chinese

642
00:37:13,200 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 3: legends and folklore. Mount Shoe was also a place of mystique,

643
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 3: for it harbored numerously exotic peaks and old temples from

644
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:24,880
Speaker 3: which many legends were born. This was where our story began.

645
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:29,200
Speaker 3: Then we see a sky boiling with columns of milky

646
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 3: gray smoke, and we get some hanzi flying out of

647
00:37:32,800 --> 00:37:36,000
Speaker 3: the smoke. It's sort of like these characters flying out

648
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,200
Speaker 3: of the smoke like space ships, and the characters are

649
00:37:39,520 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 3: Shoe and Mountain. And then there's the full title Zoo

650
00:37:43,080 --> 00:37:47,959
Speaker 3: Warriors from the Magic Mountain. Wonderfully dramatic credits, and again

651
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 3: they're set to this orchestral music that sounds like night

652
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:54,560
Speaker 3: on bald Mountain, so it's it's like, got your your

653
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 3: adrenaline is pumping. Post credits, we see a sunrise half

654
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 3: obscured by local clouds over the sea scape of breaking waves,

655
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 3: and the narration goes on. It says it was in

656
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 3: the fifth century, China has been suffering from decades of

657
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:12,920
Speaker 3: civil wars and unrest. And then we see soldiers mounted

658
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: on horseback galloping in formation across dunes of sand at

659
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 3: the beach, and further out on the shore there are

660
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 3: foot soldiers who are assembled in rows with pole arms

661
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 3: and banners flapping in the wind, and an officer on horseback.

662
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,200
Speaker 3: One of the two commanders of the army gathered on

663
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: the beach says, get me the scout immediately, so we

664
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 3: get a big entrance for the scout. And the scout

665
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 3: is one of our heroes, Deeming Chi, and we see

666
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,000
Speaker 3: him coming in doing horseback riding tricks. I'm not sure

667
00:38:42,040 --> 00:38:44,839
Speaker 3: why he's doing them, but they're great. So he's like

668
00:38:44,920 --> 00:38:48,759
Speaker 3: doing wirefu essentially, as he is just like coming to

669
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,279
Speaker 3: the generals to make a report, and he does a

670
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 3: leaping somersault off of his horse to address the commanders.

671
00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:57,920
Speaker 2: Now, this actor is Val Jung, who is born in

672
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 2: nineteen fifty seven, and his other film include The Prodigal

673
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 2: Sun from eighty one, Shanghai Nun from two thousand. I

674
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 2: think it just has a small part in that Righting

675
00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:11,600
Speaker 2: Wrongs from eighty six, and Project A from nineteen eighty three.

676
00:39:12,239 --> 00:39:14,640
Speaker 3: It's an ensemble story in the end, but he is

677
00:39:14,719 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 3: I think the closest thing to a single protagonist the

678
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 3: story has. He's our good hearted youngster who is constantly

679
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:26,080
Speaker 3: exhorting the distractable other characters to like, shape up and

680
00:39:26,120 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 3: try to do something good, to make a difference in

681
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:28,720
Speaker 3: the world.

682
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and we can relate to him. You know, this

683
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 2: is not a guy who knows a bunch of crazy magic,

684
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: or at least not yet.

685
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,920
Speaker 3: He can do some writing tricks though, Yes. So the scout,

686
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: the two commanders, and the troops on the beach, they

687
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:45,040
Speaker 3: all have blue uniforms and blue flags, so these are

688
00:39:45,080 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: representatives of the Blue Army. They make it pretty easy

689
00:39:48,680 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 3: to follow the politics here because each army is color coded.

690
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,359
Speaker 3: There are at least two other forces we learn about here,

691
00:39:55,239 --> 00:39:58,279
Speaker 3: the Red Army and not that Red Army, just a

692
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,240
Speaker 3: fifth century army with red un and also the Yellow Army.

693
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,840
Speaker 3: So when deeming Chi arrives before the officers, they demand

694
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,719
Speaker 3: to know what he has learned of the position of

695
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,400
Speaker 3: the Yellow Army, and he says they have been routed

696
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 3: in battle, and the surviving remnants of the Yellow troops

697
00:40:14,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 3: are hiding down at Sanzan Creek. And so the left

698
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:20,799
Speaker 3: commander of the Blue Army says, that's wonderful, we will

699
00:40:20,840 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 3: attack by water and finish them off. But the scout says, well,

700
00:40:25,080 --> 00:40:28,839
Speaker 3: they're already wounded and disorganized and if the Blue army

701
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:32,799
Speaker 3: attacks Sanzan Creek, the civilians living around the creek will

702
00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,160
Speaker 3: be harmed. And then the commander on the right says,

703
00:40:35,200 --> 00:40:37,799
Speaker 3: then we will go after them on land. The left

704
00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 3: commander says, the land route meanders and is too dangerous.

705
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 3: Deeming Chi, lead the attack by water. The right commander says, no,

706
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:47,319
Speaker 3: the waters take too long and will give the enemy

707
00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 3: an opportunity to retreat. Lead the attack by land. So

708
00:40:51,239 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 3: the left commander and the right commander argue back and forth,

709
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 3: and instead of coming to an agreement between themselves, they

710
00:40:57,760 --> 00:41:01,439
Speaker 3: each give deeming Chi contradictory orders and threaten to kill

711
00:41:01,480 --> 00:41:04,560
Speaker 3: him if he does not obey. Uh. I didn't realize

712
00:41:04,600 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 3: upon first viewing, but this is really going to be

713
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: in keeping with one of the themes that that carries

714
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,440
Speaker 3: throughout the movie is the sort of like, uh, the

715
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:17,400
Speaker 3: the fractiousness and bickering that prevents useful things from happening.

716
00:41:18,000 --> 00:41:20,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it's it's ultimately it's a great way to

717
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,080
Speaker 2: start the film because again we have the the absurdity

718
00:41:23,239 --> 00:41:26,279
Speaker 2: of these these brightly colored armies. Like if you haven't

719
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 2: seen it, you might be wondering how yellow, how red?

720
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:33,439
Speaker 2: I just power rangers. Yeah, think of that, like, that's

721
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:37,360
Speaker 2: that's it's it's a ridiculous level of colored coordination here.

722
00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 2: And then you know, to be put in this absurd scenario, Yeah,

723
00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:44,279
Speaker 2: I mean the real world is is goofy and frustrating

724
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: and uh and it's in a way we see more

725
00:41:47,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 2: sense in the world of magical fantasy.

726
00:41:50,640 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 3: That's right. So he first tries to say that he

727
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,319
Speaker 3: will follow both orders. They say this is insubordination and

728
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: he must die. Then he says he will follow neither order.

729
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,879
Speaker 3: They also say this is this is even worse in subordination,

730
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 3: and they order their troops to kill him, and a

731
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 3: fight breaks out. So all of the soldiers are trying

732
00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:11,600
Speaker 3: to kill Deeming Chi and it leads to this thrilling

733
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 3: chase scene. He manages to fight off a bunch of

734
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:19,000
Speaker 3: armed infantry with spears, then he leaps over the cavalry

735
00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:22,520
Speaker 3: to escape on horseback. Eventually, he jumps from his horse

736
00:42:22,520 --> 00:42:26,400
Speaker 3: and hides in the tall grass until he so he

737
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 3: like crawls away through the grass and he comes across

738
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: a fishing boat piloted by a whimsical old man, and

739
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:37,040
Speaker 3: here he meets the Red Army soldier aka Chubby played

740
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 3: by Samo Hung, and they start to fight for control

741
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: of the boat. So like he orders the old man

742
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,560
Speaker 3: to you know, take him away to safety. But this

743
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,040
Speaker 3: Red Army soldier, who I think is also a deserter

744
00:42:48,160 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 3: from his army, he's got a he's got a sword

745
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:55,640
Speaker 3: at the boat pilot's back and and he's like, no, this.

746
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: Is my boat.

747
00:42:56,160 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 3: Go find your own boat. So they they've initial start fighting.

748
00:43:01,600 --> 00:43:02,120
Speaker 4: They know.

749
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,600
Speaker 3: One of them says, your army killed four generations of

750
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:07,000
Speaker 3: my ancestors, and the other one says, well, your army

751
00:43:07,080 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 3: killed five generations of mine. And they attack and attack

752
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:14,240
Speaker 3: and attack until the Yellow Army shows up and starts

753
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 3: firing arrows at both of them, and they have to

754
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,000
Speaker 3: escape by diving into the water.

755
00:43:21,120 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: It's an hilarious sequence though, but also deceptive because at

756
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 2: this point in the film, you're like, I can follow this.

757
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 2: This is going to be sensible, it's nice, it's color coded.

758
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: Nothing could possibly confuse me. That feeling will not last.

759
00:43:37,160 --> 00:43:41,360
Speaker 3: Right, So later, after swimming away to escape, we catch

760
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,040
Speaker 3: up with the Red Army soldier and Deeming Chi and

761
00:43:44,080 --> 00:43:47,280
Speaker 3: they're camping together on a rocky shore. They're still wary

762
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:50,640
Speaker 3: of one another, and at one moment, Red Army soldier

763
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 3: raises his sword, but it is only to tell Deeming

764
00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:57,160
Speaker 3: Chi that he should not worry because he's tired of fighting.

765
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,360
Speaker 3: He wipes his sword on the bottom of his boot

766
00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:03,800
Speaker 3: and leaves camp on his own. Only Deeming Chi notices

767
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 3: that Samo Hung has left his water goard behind, so

768
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 3: Deeming Chi picks it up and runs after him to

769
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,920
Speaker 3: give it back to him, But Samo Hung gets spooked

770
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 3: and thinks Steaming Chi is coming to kill him, and

771
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 3: he's like, I don't want to fight, and he runs.

772
00:44:17,880 --> 00:44:20,840
Speaker 3: He tries to flee until he finally realizes what has happened,

773
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 3: and they sort of have a laugh over it, and

774
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,080
Speaker 3: Deeming Chi tells him, you are so big but such

775
00:44:26,080 --> 00:44:29,560
Speaker 3: a timid cat, and the Red Army soldier says, hey,

776
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,400
Speaker 3: we just met. I didn't know if you're a good

777
00:44:31,480 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 3: guy or a bad guy. This theme will come back also,

778
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:37,920
Speaker 3: but they they sort of become fast friends, like they

779
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:41,120
Speaker 3: discover that they grew up in neighboring villages and they

780
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,840
Speaker 3: lament that they've been sucked into these wars where neighbors

781
00:44:44,880 --> 00:44:48,240
Speaker 3: are forced to kill each other for no discernible reason.

782
00:44:48,760 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 3: But while they're in the middle of bonding like this.

783
00:44:50,680 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 3: Suddenly they're caught in the middle of a battlefield. The

784
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 3: Green Army and the Orange Army I think, appear over

785
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,440
Speaker 3: the hillsides to fight one another, and they're both trying

786
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:03,600
Speaker 3: to fight Deeming Chi and Sam Mahan.

787
00:45:04,000 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, more combat. Hilarity ensues and we get even though

788
00:45:08,120 --> 00:45:12,480
Speaker 2: we're gonna have like blistering magical martial arts later on

789
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,840
Speaker 2: in the picture, the martial arts sequences here are still

790
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,960
Speaker 2: just amazing and so fast and well executed, a real

791
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 2: joy to watch.

792
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:24,920
Speaker 3: And really funny. Like they're trying to they're trying to

793
00:45:25,080 --> 00:45:28,600
Speaker 3: pretend to fight one another to blend in, but Sam

794
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,560
Speaker 3: w Hung is like, hey, don't fight so hard, take

795
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:31,439
Speaker 3: it easy.

796
00:45:32,000 --> 00:45:33,960
Speaker 2: And then they played dead for a little bet. But

797
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: then there are other enemy soldiers that are trying to

798
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:38,680
Speaker 2: do the same thing, and they're like, hey, what you

799
00:45:38,680 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 2: guys are playing dead too, And then they all jump

800
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:41,879
Speaker 2: up and fight each other some more.

801
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:45,920
Speaker 3: Yeah. Uh, So they end up escaping once again, pursued

802
00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,000
Speaker 3: by multiple armies. They get backed up against a cliff

803
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,439
Speaker 3: and they've got this great bond of friendship. Now. Uh,

804
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: Deeming Chi is accidentally pushed off the cliff, but survives

805
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: by clinging devines on the way down, and the Red

806
00:45:59,320 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 3: Army soldier is caught as Samahung gets a sword to

807
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: his neck, and we don't know what happens to him next.

808
00:46:13,360 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 3: So now on his own once again, deeming Chi, he's

809
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:20,160
Speaker 3: down on the beach below. He wanders around and stumbles

810
00:46:20,239 --> 00:46:23,919
Speaker 3: into a hidden cave just as a storm is breaking out.

811
00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 3: And the cave has a temple inside. It's got these

812
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:31,799
Speaker 3: old statues and it seems disused, may be forgotten for

813
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 3: many many years. And he makes camp inside the temple,

814
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 3: but he's not alone. There is murmuring coming from these

815
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 3: giant vessels in the temple, and in the darkness there

816
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 3: are lids that pop off to reveal some kind of entity.

817
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,719
Speaker 3: I've seen these described on the internet as vampires. I

818
00:46:51,760 --> 00:46:54,799
Speaker 3: don't know what the queue that they are vampires is,

819
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 3: but they are. They're great. There's some kind of monster

820
00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 3: that's like a flying martial arts ghost Jahua with crystal

821
00:47:03,960 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: blue eyes.

822
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I got a send. I thought of them as

823
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 2: kind of like shadow ghosts, you know, some sort of

824
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:09,800
Speaker 2: a shade.

825
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 3: I mentioned Jahwa because they've got they're wearing these like

826
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,239
Speaker 3: robes with hoods, but their faces are almost kind of

827
00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,920
Speaker 3: mummy like they're they're sort of covered in uh in

828
00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,200
Speaker 3: strips of fabric like they're wrapped or something. And they yeah,

829
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:28,040
Speaker 3: they have these glowing crystal blue eyes the hoods on,

830
00:47:28,640 --> 00:47:32,040
Speaker 3: and they fly, fly around and attack with magic. They

831
00:47:32,040 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 3: can like send fines out to attack de Minchi and stuff.

832
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 3: And just when dimon Chi thinks he is done for

833
00:47:38,440 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 3: suddenly he has saved. A blazing figure dressed in white

834
00:47:42,760 --> 00:47:45,920
Speaker 3: robes enters the fracas and beats up the ghosts. And

835
00:47:46,000 --> 00:47:49,840
Speaker 3: this new figure seems to have all kinds of powers.

836
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,879
Speaker 3: So he can fly, he can he can act at

837
00:47:53,920 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 3: super speed, He has telekinesis. He can order his swords

838
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 3: to fly out of their scabbards on his back and

839
00:48:01,080 --> 00:48:04,279
Speaker 3: zoom through the air at a target by shouting unsheath.

840
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:06,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

841
00:48:06,840 --> 00:48:08,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is the point in the film where the

842
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 2: action escalates, but like one thousandfold, because suddenly we have

843
00:48:15,400 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 2: like magical effects on both sides of any given battle.

844
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 3: So this new figure manages to sort of deactivate all

845
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: of the ghosts or the vampires whatever they are. The

846
00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:29,279
Speaker 3: flying Jawas and deeming Chi chases after the hero who

847
00:48:29,280 --> 00:48:33,080
Speaker 3: saved him, and we learned that this is Master ding Yan,

848
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 3: a man dressed in white robes. He's wearing the black

849
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 3: hat I think of a scholar, like he's supposed to

850
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 3: be dressed as a scholar. He's got the two swords

851
00:48:41,520 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 3: on his back, so he's like a wandering master swordsman, scholar.

852
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:50,360
Speaker 3: And Deeming Chi kneels at the feet of the master

853
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 3: and says, my savior, please don't go so soon. He explains,

854
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,239
Speaker 3: He's like, surely you must know that the world is

855
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 3: plagued with war and destruction. With your great martial arts

856
00:49:01,160 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 3: and abilities, you can put a stop to all this mayhem.

857
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 3: So Deeming Chi is like, finally, it's you know, the

858
00:49:07,239 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 3: world is all messed up. It doesn't make sense. But

859
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 3: here's a guy, here's a hero who does good, and

860
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 3: he has the power to fix it. So you can

861
00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 3: fix it. Will you fix it? He says. Wars and

862
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:21,080
Speaker 3: unrest are perpetual through the history of man. Quote, but

863
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 3: the troubles were all caused by men who kill each

864
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:27,520
Speaker 3: other and have no respect for human lives whatsoever. There's

865
00:49:27,600 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 3: nothing we can change. You should go into seclusion in

866
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:33,120
Speaker 3: the mountains while you can still tell right from wrong.

867
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:36,840
Speaker 3: So ding Yan firmly refuses as the call. He's like,

868
00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:38,800
Speaker 3: there's nothing we can do to make the world better.

869
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:41,439
Speaker 3: It's not going to change. Just give up, go try

870
00:49:41,480 --> 00:49:45,200
Speaker 3: to hide and survive. But deeming Chi is not convinced.

871
00:49:45,239 --> 00:49:47,279
Speaker 3: He says to the Master, please do not give up.

872
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: If everyone can give their best, peace will come. And

873
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 3: by the way, while there's talking here, like wind is

874
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 3: howling around them, there's lightning striking in the distance, and

875
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,760
Speaker 3: there still seems to be like an aura of evil

876
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,160
Speaker 3: man in the air. It's not like everything is fine now.

877
00:50:02,640 --> 00:50:05,680
Speaker 3: And so Dingyan says, oh, so you're lecturing me now,

878
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 3: I'm afraid this is just not your time. If you

879
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 3: do not leave now, you will become one of them,

880
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 3: referring to the Jahwua things. And now they look like

881
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 3: they're sort of tangled up in vines now, and they

882
00:50:17,640 --> 00:50:21,520
Speaker 3: look very scarecrow like, just these ghastly bodies wrapped up

883
00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:24,759
Speaker 3: in vines like insects and a spider's web. And the

884
00:50:24,800 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 3: Master disappears, but deeming Chi he keeps holding out hope.

885
00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 3: He runs around looking for him and shouting hero and

886
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:38,000
Speaker 3: he chases out onto this beautifully gloomy landscape with a

887
00:50:38,040 --> 00:50:42,560
Speaker 3: pathway leading into a shallow canyon between masses of what

888
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 3: looked like jagged volcanic rocks, and everything is covered in

889
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 3: green moss. The sky is overcast. It sort of reminds

890
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:52,360
Speaker 3: me of some places in Iceland. It's just like a

891
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 3: very beautiful location. And we can hear deeming Chi's inner

892
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 3: monologue in which he says, all legendary heroes come and

893
00:50:59,239 --> 00:51:03,359
Speaker 3: go in mysterior ways. He's testing me. Now, fine, I'll

894
00:51:03,360 --> 00:51:06,680
Speaker 3: wait for him here. So deeming Chi sits on a

895
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 3: rock and waits, and we see the moon rise behind

896
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:12,640
Speaker 3: the clouds in the gray sky, but at night, signs

897
00:51:12,640 --> 00:51:15,919
Speaker 3: of evil return. There are red lights flashing through the air,

898
00:51:16,520 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 3: sort of like fiery spirits on the breeze, and Deeming

899
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: Chi stumbles into a cavern where the floor is littered

900
00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:28,560
Speaker 3: with human skulls, and he does, indeed here run into

901
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: the wandering hero once again. So Dingyan says he believes

902
00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:37,399
Speaker 3: it is foolish that dieming Chi waited for him. He says,

903
00:51:37,400 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 3: if you stay around here, hell is waiting for you.

904
00:51:40,600 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 3: And deeming Chi asks if the skulls on the floor

905
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: mean this place was once a battlefield, But Master ding

906
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 3: Yan says no, all the skulls here bear the sign

907
00:51:50,239 --> 00:51:55,040
Speaker 3: of the Evil Disciples. So he explains that these are

908
00:51:55,080 --> 00:51:59,920
Speaker 3: the bones of virgins sacrificed so that the Evil Disciples

909
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 3: could develop their magic. And at first deeming Chi expresses

910
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 3: relief that he himself is a virgin, but Master Dingyan says, no,

911
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:09,840
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if you are or not. That evil

912
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 3: Disciples will kill you either way. So dieming Chi says

913
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 3: at this point, he's like, I want to be your student, Dingyan.

914
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,319
Speaker 3: You know, let me you be my master, teach me

915
00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,839
Speaker 3: to have powers like you. And Dingyan tries to refuse this.

916
00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:27,279
Speaker 3: He says he works alone, he doesn't take students, but

917
00:52:27,320 --> 00:52:30,520
Speaker 3: the young scout is very persistent and they argue until

918
00:52:30,640 --> 00:52:35,640
Speaker 3: they are suddenly attacked by blood crows. These are red

919
00:52:35,760 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 3: and white sort of fiery birds that fly out fly

920
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 3: out of the sky and attack them, and deeming Chi

921
00:52:43,000 --> 00:52:45,120
Speaker 3: tries to fight them off with his sword, but they

922
00:52:45,200 --> 00:52:46,240
Speaker 3: melt his sword.

923
00:52:46,800 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, these are like really, I thought of them as

924
00:52:48,520 --> 00:52:49,800
Speaker 2: like kind of laser birds.

925
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,040
Speaker 3: So Dingyan does come back once again. He reappears to

926
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: fight the blood crows, but suddenly, while they're in the

927
00:52:56,239 --> 00:53:01,560
Speaker 3: middle of fighting, these monsters, the blood Crows are shattered

928
00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 3: in mid air by what looks like a flying circular

929
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: saw blade. Huh, well, the circular blade was thrown by

930
00:53:09,600 --> 00:53:12,920
Speaker 3: a new character whom we see standing nearby on a

931
00:53:13,000 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 3: rocky promontory framed by a gigantic moon in the background.

932
00:53:18,280 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 3: And here we are about to meet a couple of

933
00:53:19,960 --> 00:53:22,200
Speaker 3: other major characters that will be with us for the

934
00:53:22,200 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 3: rest of the movie. A powerful Buddhist monk from Kunlun

935
00:53:26,480 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 3: named SiO Yu played by Damian Lao and his young

936
00:53:31,080 --> 00:53:36,880
Speaker 3: apprentice Yijin played by Mang Hoi. Their introduction is extremely cool.

937
00:53:37,000 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 3: They also possess powers of airborne sorcery and where what

938
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:45,239
Speaker 3: they're wearing what looked like hats made out of pumpkin hemispheres,

939
00:53:45,280 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 3: like if you cut a pumpkin in half, horizontally hollowed

940
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 3: it out, and put it on your head. I love

941
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:51,920
Speaker 3: these hats.

942
00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:55,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, they got some great fashion going on here,

943
00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:58,479
Speaker 2: and yeah, all sorts of crazy additional magical martial arts

944
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,359
Speaker 2: powers are at into the right.

945
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:05,480
Speaker 3: So when we first see them flying the saw blade

946
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:09,520
Speaker 3: frisbees they throw seem to like lock on the tops

947
00:54:09,560 --> 00:54:12,719
Speaker 3: of their pumpkin hats to form a thrust engine that

948
00:54:12,880 --> 00:54:16,360
Speaker 3: works like helicopter blades, except it's like this solid sharp

949
00:54:16,440 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 3: edge disc. This connects, by the way, one of the

950
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:25,239
Speaker 3: many examples of magic that feels like technology in this movie. Yeah,

951
00:54:25,239 --> 00:54:27,880
Speaker 3: but when deeming Chi first sees these guys, he's like,

952
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:31,160
Speaker 3: he doesn't know that they're friends yet. He's like, oh, no, devils,

953
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 3: but Dingyan says, no, no, they are the good guys.

954
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: So the two monks they can also Oh man, another

955
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 3: thing they do I'd forgotten about until I was looking

956
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:42,600
Speaker 3: at this the second time. They can sort of lock

957
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:45,839
Speaker 3: onto one another and form a sort of like two

958
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:49,759
Speaker 3: monk mech thing, and they glide across the ground like

959
00:54:49,800 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: a vehicle with treads, but it's the monk sort of

960
00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:55,360
Speaker 3: riding the apprentice as he glides.

961
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, now, Rob, maybe.

962
00:54:57,680 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 3: You can help me with if you know any more

963
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 3: about the story that I caught. It seems ding Yan

964
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:06,440
Speaker 3: and the monk shall you know one another? Somehow? I

965
00:55:06,440 --> 00:55:09,360
Speaker 3: think they say they haven't met in ten years, but

966
00:55:09,520 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 3: the monk has been summoned here by someone they both know.

967
00:55:13,040 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 3: This would be Cheng Mai or Long Brows, to help

968
00:55:17,120 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 3: face a great evil. Did you understand that both he

969
00:55:21,160 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: and ding Yen were summoned here for the same purpose

970
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:24,839
Speaker 3: by longbrows.

971
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,560
Speaker 2: That was That was the sense I got of it. Yeah, okay,

972
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 2: they were both summoned here to deal with this problem.

973
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: But you know it's like they're different, they represent different pursuits,

974
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,640
Speaker 2: so they they rub each other the wrong way.

975
00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 3: That's right. So exactly, ding Yan says, hey, we should

976
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:47,680
Speaker 3: join forces. But z how you scoffs at this? He says,

977
00:55:47,760 --> 00:55:51,040
Speaker 3: monks are merciful and liberate people, yet the Blood Devil

978
00:55:51,120 --> 00:55:55,040
Speaker 3: has become rampant. And the monk says he's been searching

979
00:55:55,080 --> 00:55:57,759
Speaker 3: for disciples of the Blood Devil for three years. They

980
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:01,279
Speaker 3: finally tracked them here and says, you go your way,

981
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: I'll go mine, and then they both In fact, there

982
00:56:06,239 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 3: are many times in this movie where characters say things

983
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:11,879
Speaker 3: in unison at each other, and this case is one

984
00:56:11,880 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 3: of those where the scholar and the monk yelled at

985
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 3: each other stay out of my affairs. And again this

986
00:56:19,360 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 3: touches on this theme of failure to unify or focus

987
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:25,840
Speaker 3: in the face of a problem, just endless, pointless fractiousness

988
00:56:25,840 --> 00:56:26,560
Speaker 3: and digression.

989
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's almost like Sussian at times. You know, it's

990
00:56:32,480 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 2: there's this energy of absurdity throughout the entire film.

991
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:36,759
Speaker 4: I love it.

992
00:56:37,120 --> 00:56:40,919
Speaker 3: I was actually wondering if. I don't know for sure,

993
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 3: but this felt like something bigger than just these two

994
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,799
Speaker 3: characters in the movie. I was wondering if this might

995
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:52,719
Speaker 3: be a version of some kind of conflict between cultural

996
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 3: archetypes as understood in Chinese storytelling. Closest analogy I could

997
00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,160
Speaker 3: come up with was like jocks versus nerves words, but

998
00:57:01,280 --> 00:57:03,880
Speaker 3: this would be like the scholar versus the monk. It

999
00:57:03,960 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 3: seems like it's not just that these two characters dislike

1000
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,960
Speaker 3: one another and bicker, but they sort of have a

1001
00:57:11,120 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 3: framing of one another as the type of character they are.

1002
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 3: Like the monk I think calls the swordsman bookworm, and

1003
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,680
Speaker 3: you know the monk is the impetuous man. I don't

1004
00:57:22,680 --> 00:57:24,400
Speaker 3: know if you know anything about that. Rob If like

1005
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:26,440
Speaker 3: scholar versus monk is a thing.

1006
00:57:26,600 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 2: Well, it might be something particular to the novel that

1007
00:57:30,040 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: I'm not familiar with. But I mean, also, in general,

1008
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 2: I guess you're dealing with essentially a secular versus spiritual

1009
00:57:35,920 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 2: kind of a rivalry here. And then also, I mean,

1010
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 2: there are plenty of there are different periods in Chinese

1011
00:57:42,880 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 2: history where you might see the persecution of say, Buddhist monks,

1012
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:51,160
Speaker 2: you might see the persecution of scholars. It just depends

1013
00:57:51,160 --> 00:57:55,600
Speaker 2: on what particular time and place you're looking at, So

1014
00:57:57,120 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 2: it might be just something more general, like, you know,

1015
00:57:59,320 --> 00:58:02,760
Speaker 2: one is more secular and one is more spiritual, but

1016
00:58:02,840 --> 00:58:05,240
Speaker 2: they both can do magical things.

1017
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 3: Yes, they have kind of similar powers. And despite their bickering,

1018
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:13,760
Speaker 3: all four of them decide to go into the nearby

1019
00:58:13,800 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 3: temple to investigate the source of the wicked magic that

1020
00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:20,919
Speaker 3: lingers on the mountain side. And as they enter, Deeming Cheek,

1021
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 3: it's more chances to marvel at the powers of his

1022
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:28,080
Speaker 3: new I don't know allies, or some uncooperative allies. They

1023
00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:30,200
Speaker 3: can not only fly, but they can run on the

1024
00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 3: ceiling as if it were the floor. That's cool. And

1025
00:58:33,600 --> 00:58:36,400
Speaker 3: they continue bickering once they get into the temple. But

1026
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,720
Speaker 3: uh oh, here comes some magic. A few things to mention.

1027
00:58:39,840 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 3: First of all, I love this temple set. There is

1028
00:58:42,680 --> 00:58:46,280
Speaker 3: like a giant statue of a figure. I don't know

1029
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 3: if this is understood to be a specific person. It's

1030
00:58:49,000 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 3: not a Buddha, it's some kind of I don't know,

1031
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:53,400
Speaker 3: Emperor looking sort of figure.

1032
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, they don't really establish who this is, you know,

1033
00:58:56,880 --> 00:58:59,640
Speaker 2: it could have been a mythical emperor, it could be

1034
00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 2: some of the Chinese immortal of note, but it is

1035
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:03,480
Speaker 2: very impressive.

1036
00:59:04,000 --> 00:59:06,840
Speaker 3: And then the Evil Disciples pop out. They say that,

1037
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,200
Speaker 3: oh I love them. They come out with these flags,

1038
00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: kind of like the soldiers all have their flags. This

1039
00:59:13,120 --> 00:59:16,360
Speaker 3: is like a new faction almost, but they're not colorful

1040
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 3: like the soldiers. These are in a very cold black

1041
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,320
Speaker 3: and white uniform and they have black and white flags,

1042
00:59:23,800 --> 00:59:26,920
Speaker 3: and they say the Devil's Protector welcomes you. But then

1043
00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:29,479
Speaker 3: they also say who are you? How dare you come here?

1044
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 3: And looking on from the rafters, deemon Chi asks Yijien,

1045
00:59:35,120 --> 00:59:37,919
Speaker 3: the apprentice of the monk. He says who are they?

1046
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,960
Speaker 3: And Yijen says they're the bad guys. Didn't you know that?

1047
00:59:42,480 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: Yeah? And oh yeah, I just I love their style.

1048
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,840
Speaker 2: Like these guys are just absolute whosha evil. You know.

1049
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:55,200
Speaker 2: They have some sort of trisha la or trident emblem

1050
00:59:55,280 --> 00:59:58,400
Speaker 2: that is on their all their foreheads and on their iconography,

1051
00:59:58,440 --> 01:00:00,720
Speaker 2: the same emblem that's carved into the the skulls of

1052
01:00:00,760 --> 01:00:04,680
Speaker 2: the dead virgins, and like that, the leader of the

1053
01:00:05,040 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 2: Devil crew here is just fabulous and he has he

1054
01:00:08,280 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: has like some sort of nightmare lightning effects that he's

1055
01:00:10,840 --> 01:00:15,560
Speaker 2: using against his adversaries. H so evil, so glorious.

1056
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:19,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, So Dingyan explains that they're here to punish the

1057
01:00:19,640 --> 01:00:23,760
Speaker 3: Devil and the leader of the Evil Disciples. This is

1058
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 3: the part where he does that like call and response

1059
01:00:25,960 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 3: chant where he's like, we kill those who punish the Devil,

1060
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,560
Speaker 3: and then all of the disciples yell kill kill. He says,

1061
01:00:32,600 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: we kill those who are righteous, kill, we kill those

1062
01:00:35,560 --> 01:00:38,720
Speaker 3: who liberate lives, kill, and they do that with a

1063
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: few other things. And then d ming Gi wonders who

1064
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,360
Speaker 3: do they not kill? And he explains the blood demon

1065
01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:49,680
Speaker 3: rep says, those who obey, we spare. But the monk says,

1066
01:00:49,720 --> 01:00:52,800
Speaker 3: you know, no sense talking to these guys. They're not

1067
01:00:52,840 --> 01:00:55,800
Speaker 3: going to be talked out of being Evil Disciples. A

1068
01:00:55,880 --> 01:01:00,120
Speaker 3: fight is inevitable, and who boy is it ever? So

1069
01:01:00,400 --> 01:01:05,439
Speaker 3: begin now one of the wildest battle scenes I've ever seen.

1070
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 3: So the battle with the Evil Disciples is absolutely nuts.

1071
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 3: There is monk telekinesis of giant bells hanging in the temple,

1072
01:01:14,800 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 3: like flinging them with blue waves of force. Projection magic.

1073
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,080
Speaker 3: There's a lot more walking on the ceiling, barfing jets

1074
01:01:22,120 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 3: of flame. There are some parts of this fight that

1075
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 3: have themes of pinball with the demons, like bouncing repeatedly

1076
01:01:28,960 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 3: as if against bumpers and a pinball machine. They use

1077
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 3: the flying circular saws some more. They also use the

1078
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:39,040
Speaker 3: flying circular saws as a vehicle, like as a surfboard

1079
01:01:39,120 --> 01:01:43,000
Speaker 3: for deemon Chi to ride on. There's lightning coming out

1080
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 3: of everything. There's one part where the monk wields a

1081
01:01:45,520 --> 01:01:48,280
Speaker 3: giant flaming pillar as a club, and this is like

1082
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 3: a you know, not like club size. It's a pillar

1083
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 3: that would be way too big for a person to

1084
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 3: actually hold. There's fire versus water magic. There's demon lightning

1085
01:01:57,600 --> 01:02:01,120
Speaker 3: backpacks blasting against a flying sin and sword that ding

1086
01:02:01,200 --> 01:02:05,480
Speaker 3: Yan sends out. It's just everything, it's it's it's nuts.

1087
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:09,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And we're not even what We're not even halfway

1088
01:02:09,760 --> 01:02:11,800
Speaker 2: through the film at this point, like when we're already

1089
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:17,320
Speaker 2: just having fight sequences just so blistering that they would

1090
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:20,880
Speaker 2: be the climax of many another film, right.

1091
01:02:20,960 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 3: So at the end, it seems our heroes must retreat.

1092
01:02:23,720 --> 01:02:27,000
Speaker 3: They're sort of driven out of the temple, deeming Chi

1093
01:02:27,120 --> 01:02:30,400
Speaker 3: is apologizing for it. I think he's I don't fully

1094
01:02:30,400 --> 01:02:32,800
Speaker 3: recall exactly what the issue was, but it seems like

1095
01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:35,280
Speaker 3: it's sort of his fault that they have to escape

1096
01:02:35,320 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 3: the temple like he was in danger. And afterwards the

1097
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 3: bickering starts up once again. The Ding Yan and see

1098
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,840
Speaker 3: how You. They're arguing about whose fault it was, and

1099
01:02:46,880 --> 01:02:49,600
Speaker 3: see how You says seeing you is never a blessing.

1100
01:02:49,680 --> 01:02:53,280
Speaker 3: Maybe we never meet again. And they say that they

1101
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,560
Speaker 3: sort of hate each other. They're going to go separate ways.

1102
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:59,800
Speaker 3: And despite the fact that the masters here hate each other,

1103
01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,520
Speaker 3: the two young pupils seem to bond a bit, like

1104
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,760
Speaker 3: Yi Jen says to deeming Chi, take care soldier boys,

1105
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:09,200
Speaker 3: see around. You know he seems nice.

1106
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:11,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, I mean in a way, they're like two

1107
01:03:11,520 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 2: siblings with bickering parents here.

1108
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:17,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. So they go their separate ways, and then also

1109
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,520
Speaker 3: Master ding tries to leave deeming Chi behind once again,

1110
01:03:22,160 --> 01:03:25,880
Speaker 3: so he's alone on this cursed mountain, and deeming Chi's

1111
01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 3: wandering around calling out to his master in the wind, saying,

1112
01:03:29,520 --> 01:03:31,520
Speaker 3: what's the use of having all this power if you

1113
01:03:31,600 --> 01:03:34,240
Speaker 3: won't use it to protect people? You're a coward no

1114
01:03:34,360 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: wonder Evil is rampant, and Dee says that he sort

1115
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:40,880
Speaker 3: of resolves. He says he'll fight the evil on his

1116
01:03:40,920 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 3: own if he has to. Then suddenly all three of

1117
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 3: the flying Warriors return to the side of Deeming Chi

1118
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 3: at once. At first, he seems kind of happy, like, oh,

1119
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:53,000
Speaker 3: did they come back? A We're gonna work together to

1120
01:03:53,040 --> 01:03:56,000
Speaker 3: fight evil now, But it seems they were maybe driven

1121
01:03:56,160 --> 01:03:59,880
Speaker 3: back because he and the rocks started erupting with river

1122
01:04:00,160 --> 01:04:03,080
Speaker 3: of blood, and then the blood Geysers all begin to

1123
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:07,080
Speaker 3: intertwine and weave into a giant bodily form. So that's

1124
01:04:07,080 --> 01:04:10,600
Speaker 3: probably not good. And I love the design of the

1125
01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:13,240
Speaker 3: monster that we see birthed here, because you might expect

1126
01:04:13,560 --> 01:04:17,280
Speaker 3: it's going to be a giant towering, you know, blood

1127
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:21,000
Speaker 3: fountain type of monster, but instead, all of the stuff

1128
01:04:21,040 --> 01:04:24,000
Speaker 3: that the blood Geysers spit out sort of comes together

1129
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 3: to form fabric. It becomes a loose sail or sheet

1130
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:33,000
Speaker 3: floating on the wind, and then the sheet coalesces around

1131
01:04:33,000 --> 01:04:36,160
Speaker 3: an invisible form, kind of like a ghost covered in

1132
01:04:36,240 --> 01:04:38,960
Speaker 3: you know, classic ghost costume, a body covered in a

1133
01:04:39,000 --> 01:04:42,400
Speaker 3: sheet but bathed in red light, and it is so

1134
01:04:42,720 --> 01:04:45,480
Speaker 3: cursed and looks so wrong, and I love it.

1135
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is not what I was expecting either, but

1136
01:04:48,280 --> 01:04:50,400
Speaker 2: it's tremendous. I mean, on one level, this is another

1137
01:04:50,400 --> 01:04:52,520
Speaker 2: effect that it does make me think about the fact

1138
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:56,480
Speaker 2: that we're watching these movies in higher quality than perhaps

1139
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 2: was intended. There are some moments earlier in the film

1140
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,240
Speaker 2: where we you know, we see the wires a little

1141
01:05:00,240 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 2: bit more than I'm assuming you would have been able

1142
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 2: to see on the screen, so I feel like we

1143
01:05:04,280 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 2: also have to keep that kind of thing in mind.

1144
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:09,080
Speaker 2: But it's just that this creature just looks bonkers.

1145
01:05:09,120 --> 01:05:09,280
Speaker 4: You know.

1146
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:12,080
Speaker 2: It is like it's blood, but it of course is

1147
01:05:12,120 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 2: clearly fabric, but it's blood made fabric. It just it

1148
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 2: exists in its own reality.

1149
01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: I love it. I love this monster. Also, it commandeers

1150
01:05:21,320 --> 01:05:24,240
Speaker 3: all of their weapons, so it's like biting master ding

1151
01:05:24,400 --> 01:05:28,440
Speaker 3: sword and the monkst circular blades. It's got those in

1152
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:31,200
Speaker 3: its hands, and then those things catch on fire and melt,

1153
01:05:31,840 --> 01:05:35,560
Speaker 3: and there's more sorcery fighting. Like our allies try to

1154
01:05:35,640 --> 01:05:39,800
Speaker 3: use magic weapons against the ghost, but it sort of

1155
01:05:39,840 --> 01:05:43,360
Speaker 3: like absorbs the weapons and takes control of them. They

1156
01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:47,520
Speaker 3: are clearly outmatched, and they make a tactical retreat, and

1157
01:05:47,920 --> 01:05:51,400
Speaker 3: somehow in this fight, the monk seems to have been injured,

1158
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 3: not just physically but magically. An enchanted illness now grips

1159
01:05:57,120 --> 01:06:00,520
Speaker 3: him and ding Yan this is the where he does

1160
01:06:00,560 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 3: the I transfer energy into you scene. This happens several

1161
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 3: times in the movie where he has to save somebody

1162
01:06:06,840 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 3: who's been sort of grazed by evil magic by transferring

1163
01:06:11,000 --> 01:06:12,520
Speaker 3: energy into them.

1164
01:06:12,920 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is this is the less extreme version, right,

1165
01:06:16,440 --> 01:06:21,000
Speaker 2: this is the non Kronenberg this sequence in which he

1166
01:06:21,240 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 2: transfers energy.

1167
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:25,000
Speaker 3: But the monk doesn't want energy transferred into him, so

1168
01:06:25,200 --> 01:06:29,000
Speaker 3: he's like. The monk is like, okay, I've got the

1169
01:06:29,080 --> 01:06:33,280
Speaker 3: illness now, and he tries to like bash his own

1170
01:06:33,360 --> 01:06:36,520
Speaker 3: head into rocks. I guess to destroy himself to stop

1171
01:06:36,560 --> 01:06:39,840
Speaker 3: the evil from taking hold. But ding Yen is like, no,

1172
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:42,800
Speaker 3: I will save you, and he's like gripping him and

1173
01:06:42,840 --> 01:06:46,840
Speaker 3: he's sending magic into his body. And then Yijen is

1174
01:06:46,880 --> 01:06:50,240
Speaker 3: being given contradictory orders, just like deeming Chi was by

1175
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 3: his commanders early on, Like ding Yen is saying like

1176
01:06:54,240 --> 01:06:56,560
Speaker 3: go away, you know, stand guard while I save him,

1177
01:06:56,880 --> 01:06:59,000
Speaker 3: and the monk is saying like stop him right now.

1178
01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:04,320
Speaker 3: So yeah, so that's happening. So the young pupils are

1179
01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:06,720
Speaker 3: sent out to guard the mountain pass while ding Yan

1180
01:07:07,000 --> 01:07:11,240
Speaker 3: saves the monk's life. Deeming Chi here is somehow he

1181
01:07:11,520 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 3: ends up on his own and he is confronted by

1182
01:07:14,000 --> 01:07:17,080
Speaker 3: the blood demon once again. He tries to stand up

1183
01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:18,920
Speaker 3: to it for a moment, but then he gets afrayed.

1184
01:07:18,960 --> 01:07:21,400
Speaker 3: He runs away in terror, and then he this is

1185
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:25,640
Speaker 3: so weird. He starts throwing rocks at the monster, but

1186
01:07:25,760 --> 01:07:29,680
Speaker 3: somehow one of these rocks as he throws it, transforms

1187
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,080
Speaker 3: into a human body, and it's the body of a

1188
01:07:33,120 --> 01:07:38,160
Speaker 3: wizard dressed in white robes. And the wizard temporarily drives

1189
01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,760
Speaker 3: off the monster. And then Deeming Chi is like, what's

1190
01:07:41,800 --> 01:07:45,240
Speaker 3: going on? And he goes up to a hole in

1191
01:07:45,320 --> 01:07:48,720
Speaker 3: a rock on the cliff face of the mountain, and

1192
01:07:48,760 --> 01:07:53,000
Speaker 3: then white hairs shoot out of the hole and graft

1193
01:07:53,080 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 3: onto his eyebrows and become part of his eyebrows, and

1194
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,320
Speaker 3: he's like, what's going on? And then the rock that

1195
01:07:59,440 --> 01:08:02,280
Speaker 3: has these like white hair strands coming out of it says,

1196
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,760
Speaker 3: I'm Chang Mee, the founder of the a May School,

1197
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,960
Speaker 3: and some like d somehow pulls him out of the rock.

1198
01:08:09,640 --> 01:08:13,240
Speaker 3: This is cheg me long brows, our sagacious old wizard

1199
01:08:13,600 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 3: played by sam O Hung. He's in a white robe

1200
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 3: with a hood. He's got a long mustache and beard,

1201
01:08:19,240 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 3: long gray white eyebrows, and the eyebrows are like prehensile,

1202
01:08:23,920 --> 01:08:26,640
Speaker 3: They're like tentacles. They can grab hold of things, and

1203
01:08:26,720 --> 01:08:31,160
Speaker 3: they're they're grafting on to Deeming Chi's face. And meanwhile,

1204
01:08:31,240 --> 01:08:33,559
Speaker 3: this is happening. D is like, are you a good guy?

1205
01:08:33,760 --> 01:08:36,240
Speaker 3: And he says, of course, bad guys don't wear white

1206
01:08:36,280 --> 01:08:36,559
Speaker 3: like this.

1207
01:08:37,360 --> 01:08:39,720
Speaker 2: I love it. The theme just carries on through the

1208
01:08:39,760 --> 01:08:40,280
Speaker 2: whole film.

1209
01:08:40,560 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 3: So what is going on with his beard being stuck

1210
01:08:43,120 --> 01:08:44,760
Speaker 3: on Deeming Chi. I don't know.

1211
01:08:45,520 --> 01:08:47,599
Speaker 2: In general, though, I think, you know, like the basic

1212
01:08:47,680 --> 01:08:50,960
Speaker 2: idea is that he's old and wise, and it's kind

1213
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:53,320
Speaker 2: of like the idea of like some of these mythical

1214
01:08:53,400 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 2: Chinese immortals that we've discussed in the show before, where

1215
01:08:56,080 --> 01:08:59,680
Speaker 2: some of the attributes of old age become transformative and

1216
01:08:59,800 --> 01:09:03,880
Speaker 2: like take on the nature of superpower. So like, yeah,

1217
01:09:04,080 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 2: old guys their eyebrows grow out, become bushy and long,

1218
01:09:09,720 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: and so for a powerful wizard like this, of course

1219
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:16,599
Speaker 2: that is an advantage. Of course, that is in itself

1220
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:26,600
Speaker 2: a power that he's able to exploit to fight evil.

1221
01:09:26,720 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 3: So the blood demon appears again in the form of

1222
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:33,839
Speaker 3: Saou the monk, and then says, the so called righteous

1223
01:09:33,880 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 3: people are vulnerable to my attack. I have wounded this monk.

1224
01:09:38,000 --> 01:09:40,680
Speaker 3: The venom will reach his heart in ten days, then

1225
01:09:40,720 --> 01:09:44,080
Speaker 3: I will possess him. You can't defeat the devil. And

1226
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 3: he looks very evil with like you know, pink light

1227
01:09:46,680 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 3: behind him, But long browse is crafty. He intervenes, and

1228
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,880
Speaker 3: he launches his eyebrow tentacles out at the demon and

1229
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:57,040
Speaker 3: ensnares the demon. And we see it like the demon's

1230
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:59,080
Speaker 3: trying to fly away, and it's in the form of

1231
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 3: this like glowing orange coal up in the sky, but

1232
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 3: the eyebrows have it. The eyebrows grab it and pull

1233
01:10:05,200 --> 01:10:09,200
Speaker 3: it down. And then the glowing red coal of the demon,

1234
01:10:09,360 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 3: which the wizard says is its soul a symbols a

1235
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:16,920
Speaker 3: body made of virgin skulls around itself, becoming a kind

1236
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:22,080
Speaker 3: of skull asteroid floating in the air, tethered by Chegmei's eyebrows.

1237
01:10:23,320 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this is easily point in the picture where

1238
01:10:26,160 --> 01:10:28,759
Speaker 2: you might wonder if you just lost your mind entirely,

1239
01:10:28,840 --> 01:10:31,639
Speaker 2: but no, you're like, we're only ten minutes. Unto the film,

1240
01:10:31,680 --> 01:10:32,439
Speaker 2: at this point.

1241
01:10:33,240 --> 01:10:39,240
Speaker 3: We're like thirty minutes. But so eventually the Blood Demon

1242
01:10:39,280 --> 01:10:42,800
Speaker 3: comes down, takes root as this formation that looks kind

1243
01:10:42,800 --> 01:10:45,640
Speaker 3: of like a vertical reef made of skulls, with a

1244
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 3: little windows that show it glowing pink inside, and then

1245
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,160
Speaker 3: eventually hundreds of horns come and stick out of the

1246
01:10:52,160 --> 01:10:57,839
Speaker 3: little windows, and Chang May manages to subdue this form

1247
01:10:58,040 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 3: of the Blood Demon with a common of his eyebrows

1248
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:05,800
Speaker 3: and a magical sky mirror, but the Wizard says that

1249
01:11:05,880 --> 01:11:08,800
Speaker 3: even the sky mirror cannot destroy it. And here, this

1250
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,640
Speaker 3: far into the movie, I think we finally sort of

1251
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:16,920
Speaker 3: get our main quest of the story assigned. Yes, so

1252
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,760
Speaker 3: Longbrowse says that he will be able to contain the

1253
01:11:19,840 --> 01:11:23,559
Speaker 3: demon for exactly forty nine days, but after that, when

1254
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,479
Speaker 3: the Big Dipper begins to shift, the sky mirror will

1255
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:29,720
Speaker 3: lose its power, and at that point it will be

1256
01:11:29,800 --> 01:11:32,800
Speaker 3: up to Deeming Chi to take over, and d says me.

1257
01:11:33,360 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 3: The Wizard says, the young inherit the earth, but Cheng

1258
01:11:37,040 --> 01:11:40,120
Speaker 3: Me says, hey, don't worry, there are magical weapons you

1259
01:11:40,160 --> 01:11:43,800
Speaker 3: can use to accomplish this. There are two sacred swords

1260
01:11:44,000 --> 01:11:46,599
Speaker 3: of a May. One is purple and one is green.

1261
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: E Chi took them eighteen years ago, took them to

1262
01:11:50,600 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 3: practice in solitude on a mountaintop. They can destroy the

1263
01:11:54,160 --> 01:11:57,120
Speaker 3: Blood Devil once and for all. Lee has them up

1264
01:11:57,120 --> 01:11:59,600
Speaker 3: on Blade Peak. D You've got to go there and

1265
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,880
Speaker 3: get the swords at once, and Cheng Mei finally says,

1266
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:06,600
Speaker 3: if this aggression is complete, the Blood Devil will be unstoppable.

1267
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,400
Speaker 2: Bam, we have our core quest here. What are we

1268
01:12:09,439 --> 01:12:11,320
Speaker 2: trying to do? We got to get the two swords

1269
01:12:11,680 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 2: so we can defeat this blood dimon threat that is

1270
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:18,320
Speaker 2: held temporarily and checked by a wizard's eyebrows.

1271
01:12:18,760 --> 01:12:21,920
Speaker 3: That's right in the sky Mer in the sky Marr, Yes, yes,

1272
01:12:22,320 --> 01:12:24,240
Speaker 3: So I think this is the point where maybe it's

1273
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,800
Speaker 3: better to zoom out and discuss the rest of the

1274
01:12:26,840 --> 01:12:30,120
Speaker 3: plot in broader strokes, because again, it would take it

1275
01:12:30,120 --> 01:12:32,439
Speaker 3: would be impossible to try to keep up this level

1276
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 3: of detail. So one major diversion that happens after this

1277
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:39,840
Speaker 3: sort of quest has been assigned, And I guess the

1278
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,320
Speaker 3: first thing that happens after this is the journey to

1279
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 3: the Heavenly Fortress to cure the curse of the blood devil,

1280
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:50,240
Speaker 3: which actually happens multiple times. Yeah, but you recalled that

1281
01:12:50,280 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 3: the monk is cursed like his skin turned silver, and

1282
01:12:54,120 --> 01:12:56,360
Speaker 3: if the venom reaches his heart in ten days, he

1283
01:12:56,400 --> 01:12:59,679
Speaker 3: will die. First thing he tries to do, the monk

1284
01:12:59,720 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 3: tries to do his transfer control of his brotherhood to

1285
01:13:02,600 --> 01:13:05,840
Speaker 3: his apprentice Yesen, and then kill himself by ramming his

1286
01:13:05,840 --> 01:13:08,439
Speaker 3: head into a rock, but his allies prevent him from

1287
01:13:08,439 --> 01:13:11,799
Speaker 3: doing this, so eventually he is taken to the Heavenly

1288
01:13:11,920 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 3: Fortress to be cured by the magical countess there. Oh

1289
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:18,360
Speaker 3: before we get that, should we talk about the fish

1290
01:13:18,400 --> 01:13:24,120
Speaker 3: scene with Yugen. Oh yeah, super goofy but also genuinely funny.

1291
01:13:24,479 --> 01:13:27,439
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because the monks here are vegetarians, and there

1292
01:13:27,439 --> 01:13:31,880
Speaker 2: are several jokes made at their expense about this, especially

1293
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:36,080
Speaker 2: with their younger monk. Here. It is were we're to

1294
01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,280
Speaker 2: learn that, yes, he was a vegetarian, but he desperately

1295
01:13:39,320 --> 01:13:42,240
Speaker 2: wants to eat fish meat, as anyone who looks at

1296
01:13:42,240 --> 01:13:43,559
Speaker 2: a live fish will do.

1297
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 3: Apparently he really wants fish deeming Gee catches a fish,

1298
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:51,599
Speaker 3: grills it, he's eating it, and and Yjen is looking

1299
01:13:51,640 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 3: at it, and he's like, want to bite and I

1300
01:13:54,600 --> 01:13:56,760
Speaker 3: think he's in the middle of maybe he's about to

1301
01:13:56,760 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 3: eat some when they get attacked by a by a

1302
01:14:01,240 --> 01:14:03,760
Speaker 3: figure that looks like Ding Yan, but it's not him.

1303
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 3: It's like the Blood Devil in disguise. The Blood Devil

1304
01:14:06,880 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 3: keeps attacking them while they're on the road in disguise,

1305
01:14:09,800 --> 01:14:12,519
Speaker 3: taking on the form of others. Here it's Master Ding.

1306
01:14:13,160 --> 01:14:15,439
Speaker 3: After that it attacks them in the form of this

1307
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 3: intimidating witch dressed all in red and her head comes

1308
01:14:19,560 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 3: off and they're They're like, what's going on there? So

1309
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,839
Speaker 3: eventually they they fight off the Blood Devil in this attack.

1310
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:30,720
Speaker 3: But then Master Ding comes up to Yzen and he's like,

1311
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,519
Speaker 3: you know, why is your robe smoking? And it's because

1312
01:14:33,560 --> 01:14:35,720
Speaker 3: he has the grilled fish hidden in there and he

1313
01:14:35,760 --> 01:14:38,559
Speaker 3: has clearly eaten much of its flesh. Yeah, but he

1314
01:14:38,600 --> 01:14:40,519
Speaker 3: tries to say, I was going to set it free

1315
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,360
Speaker 3: and be merciful, but it's like a fully fully eaten

1316
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:43,960
Speaker 3: dead fish.

1317
01:14:44,040 --> 01:14:46,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, like cartoon level of like the fish bones and

1318
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:48,400
Speaker 2: the fish hit. It's great.

1319
01:14:48,960 --> 01:14:52,080
Speaker 3: Later there are scenes at the Heavenly Fortress. I want

1320
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:54,400
Speaker 3: to say, all of the sets in this movie are awesome.

1321
01:14:54,720 --> 01:14:57,440
Speaker 3: But these are particularly gorgeous.

1322
01:14:58,200 --> 01:15:00,759
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this, this whole this main that the Heavenly

1323
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:05,639
Speaker 2: Fortress is just amazing to behold, Like the statues that are,

1324
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: you know, important set pieces in some of the fights

1325
01:15:08,439 --> 01:15:12,360
Speaker 2: that ensue tremendous. Has these three elephants that end up

1326
01:15:12,360 --> 01:15:13,920
Speaker 2: being moved around a lot.

1327
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:17,920
Speaker 3: It's great in like a romantic fight scene between ding

1328
01:15:17,960 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: Yen and the Countess. They're like riding these elephants around

1329
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 3: like bumper cars.

1330
01:15:22,360 --> 01:15:22,599
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1331
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:26,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, the romantic fight scene is a key trope I

1332
01:15:26,520 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 2: think in a lot of these Hong Kong action films.

1333
01:15:29,280 --> 01:15:32,879
Speaker 3: So anyway, Heavenly Fortress is controlled by a mystical countess

1334
01:15:32,920 --> 01:15:37,240
Speaker 3: who is protected by a large retinue of female bodyguards.

1335
01:15:37,840 --> 01:15:40,439
Speaker 3: And the servants here at the castle tell our heroes

1336
01:15:40,479 --> 01:15:43,120
Speaker 3: that they cannot help the monk. Only the Countess can

1337
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:46,720
Speaker 3: heal him, but she cannot be disturbed in her seclusion.

1338
01:15:46,800 --> 01:15:49,040
Speaker 3: She will only come out to heal heal the monk

1339
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:51,600
Speaker 3: if it is her destiny or if it is his destiny.

1340
01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 3: I guess it would be both of their destinies. And

1341
01:15:54,880 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 3: there's some kind of thing I didn't fully understand where

1342
01:15:57,120 --> 01:16:01,000
Speaker 3: there's like a sacred flame in a brazier and if

1343
01:16:00,800 --> 01:16:04,760
Speaker 3: the like the flame, if it continues burning. This has

1344
01:16:04,760 --> 01:16:07,439
Speaker 3: something to do with the timing of when the countess

1345
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:10,400
Speaker 3: will come out, and Dingyan tries to keep the thing burning.

1346
01:16:10,560 --> 01:16:13,320
Speaker 3: It's like an ice flame. Dingyen says, even if it

1347
01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:16,280
Speaker 3: SAPs my energy, I will keep it burning. But the

1348
01:16:16,680 --> 01:16:19,520
Speaker 3: head of the servant says, everything is governed by destiny

1349
01:16:20,120 --> 01:16:23,519
Speaker 3: until the doors behind which the Countess is hiding open,

1350
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,519
Speaker 3: and then we get some more magical tentacles. Instead of

1351
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,200
Speaker 3: eyebrow tentacles, this time it's scarf tentacles. Like, so the

1352
01:16:30,240 --> 01:16:34,360
Speaker 3: countess has a scarf that flies out, and they like

1353
01:16:34,880 --> 01:16:36,200
Speaker 3: ensnares people with magic.

1354
01:16:37,040 --> 01:16:39,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, well there's a lot of flying scarfs in this sequence.

1355
01:16:39,760 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 3: The countess is extremely cool. So Yizhen and deeming Chi

1356
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,640
Speaker 3: are first at first terrified because they see her and

1357
01:16:46,640 --> 01:16:49,400
Speaker 3: they're like, hey, that's the witch that attacked us at

1358
01:16:49,439 --> 01:16:52,240
Speaker 3: the river. But of course we know it was not her,

1359
01:16:52,400 --> 01:16:55,559
Speaker 3: it was the blood devil stealing her form. But still

1360
01:16:55,600 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 3: the young guys they don't know any better. They're like,

1361
01:16:57,960 --> 01:16:59,880
Speaker 3: she's a witch and a fight breaks out.

1362
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 2: Uh.

1363
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:03,640
Speaker 3: There a bunch of weird stuff happens here. At one

1364
01:17:03,640 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: point the Countess gives ding Yen bubble wrap hands.

1365
01:17:08,320 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 2: It does kind of look like bubble in this scene.

1366
01:17:11,320 --> 01:17:12,040
Speaker 3: I think it's ice.

1367
01:17:12,439 --> 01:17:15,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, the ice effect looks the practical ice effect

1368
01:17:16,000 --> 01:17:18,360
Speaker 2: does look a lot better in some of the subsequent scenes,

1369
01:17:18,400 --> 01:17:21,679
Speaker 2: but maybe it was a tiny bit lacking at least

1370
01:17:21,960 --> 01:17:23,160
Speaker 2: in this film quality.

1371
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:26,840
Speaker 3: At this point, I'm not complaining. I love the bubble

1372
01:17:26,920 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 3: rap hands.

1373
01:17:27,960 --> 01:17:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but but I just want to stress it looks

1374
01:17:30,320 --> 01:17:33,040
Speaker 2: less far less like bubble wrap in subsequent scenes.

1375
01:17:33,439 --> 01:17:36,439
Speaker 3: Right, because she also ends up freezing. Uh, I think

1376
01:17:36,479 --> 01:17:40,639
Speaker 3: Ey's in and uh like sort of ice skating across

1377
01:17:40,720 --> 01:17:41,840
Speaker 3: the room on him.

1378
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of ice magic that goes on.

1379
01:17:44,600 --> 01:17:46,840
Speaker 3: Yeah. Also in the fight, this is the part where

1380
01:17:46,880 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 3: deeming Chi gets magically wounded, and here ding Yen must

1381
01:17:50,200 --> 01:17:53,160
Speaker 3: once again transfer energy into him to save his life.

1382
01:17:53,640 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 3: But in this version, he's like inflating deeming Chi like

1383
01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:00,559
Speaker 3: a balloon with magic, so he makes like parts of

1384
01:18:00,600 --> 01:18:03,559
Speaker 3: his body puff up and poke out of his skin.

1385
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:05,600
Speaker 3: They've got like a prost you know, They've got his

1386
01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:08,799
Speaker 3: head coming out of a prosthetic body to make this happen,

1387
01:18:08,880 --> 01:18:12,120
Speaker 3: and like parts of his shoulders puff up like balloons.

1388
01:18:12,160 --> 01:18:15,560
Speaker 3: There's one part where his head puffs up and the

1389
01:18:15,800 --> 01:18:16,599
Speaker 3: effects are great.

1390
01:18:16,840 --> 01:18:18,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean this is where he gets a little

1391
01:18:18,439 --> 01:18:20,719
Speaker 2: bit body herd. Not in the way that it actually

1392
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:24,040
Speaker 2: feels horrific, but it is that level of like fleshy

1393
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:27,920
Speaker 2: surrealism that brings to mind, actually brings to mind to

1394
01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 2: drawing to connect it to one of the films we

1395
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:32,800
Speaker 2: mentioned earlier, but altered states. It's like that kind of

1396
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:33,320
Speaker 2: a feeling.

1397
01:18:33,680 --> 01:18:35,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, And it.

1398
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:38,080
Speaker 2: Also seems like a sequence that may have inspired some

1399
01:18:38,120 --> 01:18:41,840
Speaker 2: of the effects in Big Trouble Little China, concerning the

1400
01:18:41,880 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 2: one of the three storms, Thunder, whose main superpower is

1401
01:18:45,840 --> 01:18:48,280
Speaker 2: that he when he gets mad, he inflates himself like

1402
01:18:48,320 --> 01:18:48,799
Speaker 2: a balloon.

1403
01:18:49,240 --> 01:18:52,519
Speaker 3: That's right, I thought of exactly. That's in comparison. Yeah,

1404
01:18:52,600 --> 01:18:54,200
Speaker 3: I wondered if this inspired that.

1405
01:18:54,800 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And again, like in Carpenter's film, they go in

1406
01:18:57,800 --> 01:19:00,880
Speaker 2: an entirely different direction with it, but you know, you

1407
01:19:00,920 --> 01:19:04,520
Speaker 2: can still see the connection between these these two effects.

1408
01:19:04,640 --> 01:19:07,599
Speaker 2: What if we did something like this but instead did

1409
01:19:07,640 --> 01:19:08,120
Speaker 2: it this way.

1410
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:13,360
Speaker 3: But by transferring some of his power into deming Chi,

1411
01:19:13,600 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 3: he makes deming Chi increasingly formidable, Like he gives him

1412
01:19:17,200 --> 01:19:21,200
Speaker 3: sort of like some magic juice. So deming Chee's stock

1413
01:19:21,640 --> 01:19:26,040
Speaker 3: as a great sorcery warrior is rising. And after this,

1414
01:19:26,720 --> 01:19:29,640
Speaker 3: there's a moment where the partially possessed monk tries to

1415
01:19:29,720 --> 01:19:33,080
Speaker 3: attack Dingy in then the Countess like flies out of

1416
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 3: her room again. She shoots sub zero magic at him,

1417
01:19:36,479 --> 01:19:39,599
Speaker 3: freezes him into an ice block, and then ice skates

1418
01:19:39,600 --> 01:19:40,800
Speaker 3: on him across the room.

1419
01:19:41,160 --> 01:19:44,439
Speaker 2: Now, when he's attacking, is this the sequence where there

1420
01:19:44,520 --> 01:19:48,519
Speaker 2: keep like pinpoints of light keep springing up across his body.

1421
01:19:49,320 --> 01:19:50,000
Speaker 3: I don't remember.

1422
01:19:50,240 --> 01:19:52,519
Speaker 2: Like he's almost as if he's being shot by a

1423
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 2: magical machine gun off screen. This is a recurring effect

1424
01:19:57,040 --> 01:19:59,240
Speaker 2: in this film that I'm not entirely sure how they

1425
01:19:59,240 --> 01:20:01,760
Speaker 2: did it, but it looks amazing, and like a lot

1426
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 2: of the magical effects in this film, it also just

1427
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:09,240
Speaker 2: feels like you are witnessing something that is indeed connected

1428
01:20:09,240 --> 01:20:12,800
Speaker 2: to some sort of very rich and complex magical reality

1429
01:20:13,320 --> 01:20:18,439
Speaker 2: that you can only barely understand. Like it's the right

1430
01:20:18,560 --> 01:20:21,280
Speaker 2: kind of confusion to have when engaging in some sort

1431
01:20:21,320 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 2: of a magical realm, you know.

1432
01:20:23,640 --> 01:20:24,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah.

1433
01:20:24,400 --> 01:20:27,280
Speaker 3: So eventually the Countess does take the monk into the

1434
01:20:27,320 --> 01:20:30,920
Speaker 3: chamber to heal him, and she sort of like pumps

1435
01:20:31,000 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 3: magic into him and telekinetically is moving these Buddhist statues

1436
01:20:35,080 --> 01:20:36,840
Speaker 3: around in the room that seems to be part of

1437
01:20:36,880 --> 01:20:40,639
Speaker 3: the healing process, and the Countess eventually cures the monk,

1438
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,200
Speaker 3: but in doing so suffers magical injury and collapses into

1439
01:20:44,240 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 3: Dingyan's arms, and they sort of have a moment. She

1440
01:20:47,520 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 3: wakes up and sort of slaps him, but it's also

1441
01:20:49,680 --> 01:20:53,040
Speaker 3: clear that they are destined to be in love. Meanwhile,

1442
01:20:53,080 --> 01:20:55,800
Speaker 3: there's other stuff going on where the two young heroes

1443
01:20:56,080 --> 01:20:58,200
Speaker 3: are like trying to get into the chamber, and there's

1444
01:20:58,200 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 3: a bunch of goofy jokes about like their ants keep

1445
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:05,559
Speaker 3: falling down in front of the female warriors, and then yeah,

1446
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,120
Speaker 3: and then they try to like escape from the female

1447
01:21:08,160 --> 01:21:11,920
Speaker 3: warriors by going through a hole in the hallway that

1448
01:21:12,000 --> 01:21:16,559
Speaker 3: goes out to a magical underwater world, but Yijen can't swim,

1449
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:19,519
Speaker 3: so they have to come back, and then they end

1450
01:21:19,600 --> 01:21:22,559
Speaker 3: up being sort of like caught and disciplined by the

1451
01:21:22,600 --> 01:21:26,960
Speaker 3: Countess's bodyguards, including the main bodyguard here I think Moo Song,

1452
01:21:27,120 --> 01:21:30,680
Speaker 3: who is played by Moon Lee, who they use like

1453
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:33,679
Speaker 3: flying swords to cut off all of Yijen and deeming

1454
01:21:33,800 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 3: cheese clothes, and then they're like standing there naked being

1455
01:21:37,040 --> 01:21:39,720
Speaker 3: mocked by the bodyguards, and she's like, I'm going to

1456
01:21:39,760 --> 01:21:43,640
Speaker 3: tell your masters on you, and they're like, Yijen at

1457
01:21:43,720 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 3: least does not want the master to know about his

1458
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:48,559
Speaker 3: shameful conduct. So I don't know, there's all that kind

1459
01:21:48,560 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 3: of silliness going on, but Moosong will eventually sort of

1460
01:21:51,840 --> 01:21:55,240
Speaker 3: join our heroes and become one of the one of

1461
01:21:55,280 --> 01:21:56,160
Speaker 3: the main heroes.

1462
01:21:56,960 --> 01:21:59,479
Speaker 2: I want to throw in at Moonlee was also in

1463
01:21:59,560 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 2: Mister Van Empire. A lot of connective tissue between these

1464
01:22:02,400 --> 01:22:03,679
Speaker 2: two films, it turns out.

1465
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 3: And later after this there's that that like romantic fight

1466
01:22:07,960 --> 01:22:10,759
Speaker 3: scene with Dingyan and the Countess where they're like riding

1467
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:15,360
Speaker 3: the elephants around the elephant statues around in the room.

1468
01:22:15,479 --> 01:22:18,360
Speaker 3: Oh man, I so I'm running out of steam to

1469
01:22:18,400 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 3: recap your no.

1470
01:22:20,200 --> 01:22:22,200
Speaker 2: No, I mean, that's that's how you feel with this film,

1471
01:22:22,280 --> 01:22:25,800
Speaker 2: Like it's like you watch the most amazing now not

1472
01:22:25,840 --> 01:22:28,800
Speaker 2: all even necessarily like a fight scene, concertainly like the

1473
01:22:28,880 --> 01:22:32,320
Speaker 2: romantic fight sequence. You have the choreography element to it,

1474
01:22:32,600 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 2: and then you have like the various levels of you know,

1475
01:22:35,479 --> 01:22:38,760
Speaker 2: of wire stunts that are involved and bits of the

1476
01:22:38,800 --> 01:22:42,960
Speaker 2: set moving around it. Yeah, it's just like you you

1477
01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:45,800
Speaker 2: make it through that sequence and it's just overwhelming, and

1478
01:22:45,840 --> 01:22:49,599
Speaker 2: then it gets even more overwhelming in the next sequence.

1479
01:22:49,680 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 2: Like the movie still successfully builds up towards its finale,

1480
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:56,559
Speaker 2: and by the time you get to the finale, it

1481
01:22:56,760 --> 01:23:00,879
Speaker 2: is just otherworldly, and it's just it's it's a take.

1482
01:23:00,720 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 3: In so so a couple of very broad strokes about

1483
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:06,960
Speaker 3: things that will happen later. We know eventually our heroes

1484
01:23:06,960 --> 01:23:10,719
Speaker 3: will make the progress towards towards the Blade of Heaven Peak.

1485
01:23:11,680 --> 01:23:14,400
Speaker 3: They'll go up there, they will attain the swords, they

1486
01:23:14,439 --> 01:23:17,160
Speaker 3: will meet the guy who's chained to the Big Ball

1487
01:23:17,200 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 3: who we talked about earlier. There's going to be a

1488
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 3: conflict with the Blood Demon. There's going to be a

1489
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,960
Speaker 3: lot of our young heroes sort of like ascending and

1490
01:23:25,000 --> 01:23:28,520
Speaker 3: taking over the mantle from the older their older counterparts,

1491
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:31,760
Speaker 3: and you sort of have you know, the older counterparts

1492
01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,720
Speaker 3: sort of exist on three levels. There's like ding Yan

1493
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:39,400
Speaker 3: and Deeming Chi, there's the Monk and his apprentice, and

1494
01:23:39,439 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 3: there's the Countess and Moussong, and so the younger ones

1495
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:49,479
Speaker 3: will sort of ascend and take over responsibilities, and there's

1496
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 3: going to be a lot of like flying through the

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Speaker 3: astral plane to battle the demon in the end, and

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Speaker 3: again just visually amazing fight sequences towards the end. Oh god,

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Speaker 3: what details do you want to zoom in on?

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Speaker 2: Rob Oh? I want to zoom in on the fact

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Speaker 2: that we finally get the two swords to battle the

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01:24:07,880 --> 01:24:10,599
Speaker 2: Big Bad with like ten minutes remaining. This is one

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Speaker 2: of those movies where I'm like, really, you got we

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Speaker 2: got ten minutes to pull this off. These swords better

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01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:19,360
Speaker 2: be amazing. Fortunately, the swords are amazing do incredible things,

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Speaker 2: Like there's this whole bit about how to wield the swords.

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Speaker 2: They have to be of one mind. Like it gets

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01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 2: very trippy and weird, not only in visual presentation but

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Speaker 2: also in just like the information that you're having to absorb,

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Speaker 2: and I, you know, at this point in the film,

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Speaker 2: I also realized I should have probably just done the

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Speaker 2: English dub on this so that I'm not reading everything

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Speaker 2: at the same time. As as Karan pointed out in

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Speaker 2: his extra on the Shout disc, it's like, anyway you

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Speaker 2: watch this movie, you're watching it dubbed. You either watching

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Speaker 2: it dubbed into Mandarin, watching it dubbed into Cantonese, or

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Speaker 2: you're watching it dubbed into English, you know, so you

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01:24:56,960 --> 01:24:59,479
Speaker 2: can you could get into an argument over what's the

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Speaker 2: most I vocal track. But I don't know. By the

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Speaker 2: end of it, I was like, I don't know if

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Speaker 2: I need to read anything. There's just so much going

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Speaker 2: on on the screen. I should just be absorbing it

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Speaker 2: that way.

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Speaker 3: I agree, this is the next time I watch it,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to watch it with the English dub. I

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Speaker 3: watched it with subtitles, and I kind of regret it.

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Speaker 3: I just want to be able to look at what's happening,

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Speaker 3: and I'll listen for the dialogue.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, it's incredible flying swords, Swords that multiply,

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Speaker 2: swords that have to be wielded by individuals whose mind

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Speaker 2: has been forged together via psycho spiritual magical powers. Absolutely crazy.

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Speaker 3: They have to go back to the Countess and get

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Speaker 3: cured again because ding Yen also gets cursed. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: so that happens twice. Oh and then we Samuel Hong

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Speaker 3: Kong comes back as the Red Soldier at the end

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Speaker 3: because they like come back down to Earth and there's

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Speaker 3: a battle going on, and it's like, oh, there's my

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Speaker 3: old friend sam O Hung. Yeah, and they reconcile.

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Speaker 2: Oh and Samo Hung is fighting another warrior. I believe

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Speaker 2: the warrior is in blue. And this is our director.

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Speaker 2: This is Hawk in a nice little director's cameo, locked

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Speaker 2: in mortal combat with Samo Yo Semo Hunk. It's it's

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01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 2: it's it's tremendous, but also a complete what is happening

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Speaker 2: kind of ending. It just suddenly stops, almost as if

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01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:29,840
Speaker 2: there's just no more energy for this film to continue

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Speaker 2: happening in front of our eyes.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like, is this the conclusion or is it

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Speaker 3: just like this is as much as you could do. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and it was a lot.

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Speaker 2: And in the end, is evil defeated? Is? I guess

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Speaker 2: evils defeated? But the world seems to still be possessed

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Speaker 2: by battle and strife. So I guess we kind of

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01:26:50,280 --> 01:26:51,760
Speaker 2: knew from the outset that we weren't going to be

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Speaker 2: able to cure the world of that. But the blood

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01:26:57,439 --> 01:26:59,760
Speaker 2: Demon is defeated, so at least we have that going

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Speaker 2: for Yes.

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Speaker 3: Order of priorities, blood Demon is the worst thing, and

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01:27:03,840 --> 01:27:05,640
Speaker 3: then you stop the strife after that.

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01:27:06,080 --> 01:27:09,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just glad they found time to defeat it again,

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01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:11,960
Speaker 2: not until the last ten minutes of the picture did

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01:27:11,960 --> 01:27:15,920
Speaker 2: they actually have everything together enough to go after the

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Speaker 2: big bat. Not criticism, that's just how it ended up

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Speaker 2: being structured.

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Speaker 3: Okay, there is much more to say about this movie,

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Speaker 3: but I cannot do it. I cannot say more.

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01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:30,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, Zoo Warriors. Yeah, this is one that I think

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01:27:31,240 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 2: invites multiple viewings to fully digest everything that's happening, and

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Speaker 2: men also invites just multiple conversations. You can have a

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01:27:38,840 --> 01:27:42,559
Speaker 2: whole conversation about any given sequence in this picture. It's

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01:27:42,600 --> 01:27:44,840
Speaker 2: almost too much. It's almost too much movie to talk

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Speaker 2: about in a weird house. I feel like if we

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01:27:47,400 --> 01:27:50,479
Speaker 2: come back to Hawk's filmography, maybe we should do We're

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01:27:50,520 --> 01:27:53,160
Speaker 2: Going to Eat You. I feel like that might be okay,

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Speaker 2: you know, venture into the horror comedy, zombie comedy kind

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01:27:57,960 --> 01:27:59,599
Speaker 2: of area here.

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Speaker 3: I am gamed to do any movies by this man.

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Speaker 2: All Right, we'll go ahead and close it out here,

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Speaker 2: but we'd love to hear from you out there, if

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Speaker 2: you have thoughts on Zoo Warriors, if you have thoughts

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Speaker 2: on other films by the director, other films featuring some

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Speaker 2: of the actors we've talked about here, Because I know

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Speaker 2: some of you out there are probably more experienced with

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Speaker 2: Wisha and Hong Kong cinema than we are, and if

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Speaker 2: that's the case, you know right in share your expertise

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Speaker 2: and your love with us. We would love to hear

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Speaker 2: from you. As usual, will remind you that Stuff to

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Speaker 2: Blow Your Mind is primarily a science podcast with core

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Speaker 2: movie here on Weird House Cinema. And if you want

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Speaker 2: to see a complete list of all the movies we've

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Speaker 2: which is a great website for chronicling the films that

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