WEBVTT - The Second Democratic Debate: Too Many Jebs 0:00:04.920 --> 0:00:08.119 I'm Robert Evans, and this is not an episode of 0:00:08.160 --> 0:00:11.559 Behind the Bastards, but it's running in UH plugged into 0:00:11.600 --> 0:00:15.079 Behind the Bastards. This is an episode of Katie uh in, 0:00:15.240 --> 0:00:18.560 Cody and I talking about the second set of Democratic 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:23.400 debates as a prelude for our our election year podcast, 0:00:23.440 --> 0:00:27.640 which will be a fun weekly podcast about the worst 0:00:27.720 --> 0:00:30.160 year of all of our lives and with a title 0:00:30.720 --> 0:00:34.000 vaguely similar to that. So the title is still in flux, 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:35.560 but it's going to be something like, that's gonna be 0:00:35.640 --> 0:00:37.840 really good. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be better 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:39.879 than the year. It is going to be better than 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:45.320 the year. Anyway, here's the podcast. I have been on 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:48.479 a lot of planes. Robert literally got off a plane 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:51.680 and then drove to the office to drop off a 0:00:51.720 --> 0:00:54.400 step and then drove to my house. And I don't 0:00:54.400 --> 0:00:56.240 know when was the last time you slept well other 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:58.280 than my couch. Briefly, the last time I had a 0:00:58.280 --> 0:01:01.200 full night's sleep was in Iraq, So it's been it's 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.000 been a minute. Um. I mean, I have so many 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:07.000 questions about that, but that's not what we're here tonight. 0:01:07.040 --> 0:01:12.319 And we're here to talk about the debate politics. Yes, sweet, 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:20.440 best kind of politics, sexy, moist, wiry, wristle, phil Well, 0:01:20.560 --> 0:01:24.280 I like, I'm okay with the word moist, but not 0:01:24.360 --> 0:01:27.319 when used in the sexual connotation. Like I think moist 0:01:27.400 --> 0:01:29.880 is a perfectly wonderful word to use when talking about 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:34.000 cake cake chicken. Sure, but I think in the context 0:01:34.080 --> 0:01:36.240 of the other words I was saying, we were all 0:01:36.280 --> 0:01:39.959 picturing kind of Joe Biden's wattle. Sure, that was that 0:01:40.000 --> 0:01:42.319 what was in all's head when you said moist. I'm 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:47.280 almost always no, it was yeah, Cody, you just got 0:01:47.280 --> 0:01:52.040 in last night, so you're also out of it. I'm 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:53.920 I've been around the longest. I've been back for a 0:01:53.920 --> 0:01:55.920 few days, but I'm also out of it, so this 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:59.840 will be fun. So, just like the front runner of 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:04.120 Democratic Party, we have all been going for too long 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:09.240 to properly do our jobs. Today. We haven't learned. We 0:02:09.280 --> 0:02:13.120 haven't learned a lesson from times past when it proved 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:15.800 to be a bad idea to go too hard. We 0:02:15.840 --> 0:02:18.239 should have taken Elizabeth Warren up on her offer to 0:02:18.320 --> 0:02:21.720 host the I know that was a real real mistake. 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:28.280 If we're lucky, she'll call in um like she does 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:31.000 with her donor calls. But let's talk about the debates, 0:02:31.040 --> 0:02:33.520 you guys. That's what we're here, that's the magic that 0:02:33.560 --> 0:02:38.640 we're here to discuss. Um. Who did you come away 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.520 from liking? Who surprised you all of that? I mean, 0:02:41.560 --> 0:02:44.840 Corey Booker had some great moments. Honestly, truly not a 0:02:44.840 --> 0:02:47.000 big Corey Booker fan, but he has some really solid 0:02:47.080 --> 0:02:49.520 He's a good he's a good debater. He surprised me tonight. 0:02:49.760 --> 0:02:52.760 I was really impressed with him all evening long. I was. 0:02:52.800 --> 0:02:55.880 I guess I wasn't. I mean, loved what jans Lee 0:02:56.200 --> 0:02:59.840 said about climate change. I'm glad he's doing what he's think. 0:02:59.880 --> 0:03:02.880 If he wasn't there, they wouldn't have talked about climate 0:03:02.919 --> 0:03:05.520 change nearly enough. In some cases, probably not at all. 0:03:05.840 --> 0:03:08.800 I think of all of the people on that stage, 0:03:08.840 --> 0:03:11.040 he might be the only one doing like a kind 0:03:11.080 --> 0:03:12.959 of noble thing, which is just like, well, I'm just 0:03:12.960 --> 0:03:16.760 going to get up there and shoutow about the planets. Yeah, absolutely, 0:03:17.440 --> 0:03:20.760 A little more a more focused Mike Grivel. Yeah, like 0:03:20.840 --> 0:03:24.519 he knows that he's not winning. He's there to specifically 0:03:24.560 --> 0:03:27.040 talk about something, to talk about it well and hold 0:03:27.080 --> 0:03:28.720 for a position in the cabinet so we can actually 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.040 do that work people to task, you know, like, yeah, 0:03:32.040 --> 0:03:34.160 I would love to see him in the cabinet um. 0:03:34.200 --> 0:03:38.120 But here's what I was frustrated by with the climate 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:40.360 change conversations, and that would be the moderators. I mean, 0:03:40.400 --> 0:03:43.040 I would guess it was frustrated throughout the whole thing, 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:47.000 but specifically with climate change. This is important, and you're 0:03:47.160 --> 0:03:51.200 up there interrupting people halfway through how they're actually explaining 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:54.200 what they're planning to do. It makes me crazy. I think, 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:58.640 in before the next election, if there are more elections, 0:03:58.720 --> 0:04:01.120 we need to have an election to decide who's going 0:04:01.160 --> 0:04:05.160 to moderate the future talking debates, because zero of the 0:04:05.200 --> 0:04:07.680 people they've brought forward to so far have been any 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.440 good at it. Not very good, not very good. No. Um, 0:04:10.440 --> 0:04:13.520 really frustrating to watch. In general, it's not hard, no, 0:04:14.280 --> 0:04:16.919 just ask ask them questions and then if you have 0:04:17.040 --> 0:04:19.479 to re ask the question, which they did a few times, 0:04:20.360 --> 0:04:22.280 but also like I don't know, there are a few 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:25.680 times more so last night I think tonight maybe of 0:04:26.279 --> 0:04:29.599 like I keep thinking of this moment where someone said 0:04:30.120 --> 0:04:33.240 something specific about Elizabeth Warren and she was like she 0:04:33.320 --> 0:04:36.200 literally raised her hand like She's like, I kind of please, 0:04:36.279 --> 0:04:38.360 I need to I need to like respond to that. 0:04:38.360 --> 0:04:40.200 That's not true. I need to respond. She kept saying that, 0:04:40.240 --> 0:04:41.960 and they would not let her do it. They did 0:04:41.960 --> 0:04:44.680 a couple of times, but yeah, no, I agree with 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:47.599 you completely. It's frustrating, especially since it takes like a 0:04:47.680 --> 0:04:51.599 good fifteen minutes to even get the show started and there, 0:04:51.640 --> 0:04:53.960 and they always end fifteen minutes early, so it's not 0:04:54.040 --> 0:04:57.039 really a three hour debate. There's twenty two people. There's 0:04:57.040 --> 0:05:00.719 also go a lot to like, um, like, they'll go 0:05:00.800 --> 0:05:05.920 to Yang way too well, So I think it's frustrating 0:05:05.920 --> 0:05:07.880 when they go to people like Yang and like even 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:12.400 Insley and they give them like fifteen seconds they really like, 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:15.880 you can tell that they have way less time to 0:05:16.000 --> 0:05:19.919 even respond or or answer direct questions. Is that's frustrating to, like, 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:22.400 if you're gonna have twenty people on stage, give them 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:25.640 the time that they need, you know, Yeah, yeah, I 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.720 do agree. Who else impressed you in a surprising way? 0:05:28.960 --> 0:05:31.720 In a surprising way? Well, okay, so let's talk about 0:05:31.720 --> 0:05:37.880 Marian Williamson. I mean, because I mean I tweeted about this. 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.200 I don't think anybody thinks that I would vote for her. 0:05:40.440 --> 0:05:44.000 I do not consider her a serious candidate. I have 0:05:44.520 --> 0:05:47.520 great issues with things she's said and done in the past, 0:05:47.880 --> 0:05:50.640 but I did appreciate a lot of the stuff she 0:05:50.720 --> 0:05:53.599 set up there. Uh, the least important of which was 0:05:53.640 --> 0:05:56.479 her specifically saying like, I'm starting to think that some 0:05:56.600 --> 0:06:00.240 of you people on stage aren't actually Democrats. I was like, yeah, yeah, 0:06:00.440 --> 0:06:02.520 it was really important to say that someone actually said that. Well, 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.400 I mean, like, yeah, no, I think it is, So 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:07.320 that's I I liked that. But you guys have been 0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:10.400 talking about some of the conversation online about Marian Williamson, 0:06:10.480 --> 0:06:12.560 so let's let's dig into that for a minute. I mean, 0:06:13.880 --> 0:06:16.840 our conversation started with me saying I wouldn't I could 0:06:16.880 --> 0:06:20.560 see her winning. Yeah, um, just because I couldn't see 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.279 Trump winning, and kind of looked at him with the 0:06:23.320 --> 0:06:25.760 same sort of mirth that I was initially looking at 0:06:25.800 --> 0:06:28.760 Marian Williamson with. And I don't want to I hope 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:31.200 that doesn't happen. She's not like pulling as well as 0:06:31.200 --> 0:06:33.640 he is, which he pointed out Katie, but like, yeah, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:38.120 he pulled really well early on. She's reaching out for 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.279 the same like the the mirror mirror images of the 0:06:42.360 --> 0:06:45.479 parts of the of the liberal psyche that Trump was 0:06:45.520 --> 0:06:49.400 reaching out, you know, for the conservative psyche, Like on 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.400 the right it's like outright fascism that he was pulling from, 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:57.080 and on the left it's uh space wo or bullshit, 0:06:57.600 --> 0:07:01.680 which is like the left wing equivalent of the writes genocide. Right, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:06.760 She's like, she's got this populist, definite message, especially when 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.120 she ends with I'm the only one that can bring 0:07:09.200 --> 0:07:15.360 that constant cryptic references to healthcare. She's not saying what 0:07:15.400 --> 0:07:18.160 you know, she thinks, Yeah, this is the big she's 0:07:18.200 --> 0:07:20.480 talking about, right, and just sort of positive thinking, and 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:22.720 like there's you know, something can be said for the 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:26.320 value of positive thinking, but that's not why we're hearing 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:30.840 not much. And I there's so there and for it 0:07:30.920 --> 0:07:33.400 from what I gather most of her career, there is 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:38.200 a grifting aspect to it. And part of being a 0:07:38.280 --> 0:07:41.040 grifter is that some of the stuff you say is 0:07:41.080 --> 0:07:44.320 really true, which is why it resonates so much. And 0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:48.600 that's why sometimes during the debate last night, I was like, fuck, yeah, yes, 0:07:48.880 --> 0:07:53.320 yeh here, yes, right, she's good sifter, but because what 0:07:53.440 --> 0:07:55.240 she's saying is true, but there's all this stuff around it. 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:57.840 It's like, well, you shouldn't be the president. So when 0:07:57.840 --> 0:08:02.400 I watched I had I had a similar I pivot 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:04.040 to her because we're talking about James Lee and like, 0:08:04.080 --> 0:08:05.800 I kind of see her role on that stage is 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:08.480 in a similar but very different you know, things that 0:08:08.520 --> 0:08:10.720 she's talking about and different things. But because I don't 0:08:10.720 --> 0:08:12.760 take her seriously as a candidate, I just am like 0:08:12.800 --> 0:08:15.040 appreciate somebody being up there and saying some stuff that 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:17.200 you're like, yeah, well someone needed to say it. Anyone 0:08:17.240 --> 0:08:20.840 else was. She also talked about reparations, reparations of the 0:08:20.840 --> 0:08:28.800 election stuff, and also environmental justice and brought up there's 0:08:29.000 --> 0:08:30.960 something things that she brought up that no one else 0:08:31.960 --> 0:08:34.120 up and when so we're talking about the n r 0:08:34.160 --> 0:08:36.959 A and going back and forth about who has the 0:08:37.040 --> 0:08:40.680 worst standing with the n r A, and she says like, yeah, 0:08:40.760 --> 0:08:43.760 that's well and good, but you know, money and politics, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.400 money from corporations is like the disease of this country, 0:08:46.559 --> 0:08:48.960 and how many of these people on stage have been 0:08:49.000 --> 0:08:52.600 taking money from corporations. I was like, fuck, man, yes, 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:55.120 please more of that kind of conversation right now. We 0:08:55.200 --> 0:08:57.000 need people to be thinking about that, not that it's 0:08:57.000 --> 0:09:00.040 going to change right away. But like say that on 0:09:00.200 --> 0:09:03.600 national TV, if she didn't exist outside of the debates, 0:09:03.960 --> 0:09:10.080 she'd be in the upper candidates for me. Yeah, if 0:09:10.160 --> 0:09:13.199 she didn't, if the rest of her life wasn't a thing. Absolutely. 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:17.360 There's also this sort of um movement around her that 0:09:17.600 --> 0:09:21.320 sort of started out ironic and it's sort of morphed 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:26.000 into more genuine. Some of it is coming from and 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.319 I was talking to this about this earlier with you, 0:09:28.400 --> 0:09:30.480 and I still don't know exactly what my problem is 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:32.520 with it. But there's a lot of conservative pundits and 0:09:32.640 --> 0:09:38.400 like these sort of truly Republicans who are really into her, 0:09:39.280 --> 0:09:43.880 and it's partly ironic and it's partly genuine, but it's 0:09:44.000 --> 0:09:47.800 all horseship, and part of it seems like they're just 0:09:48.080 --> 0:09:49.920 trying to lift her up so they can sort of 0:09:50.040 --> 0:09:52.880 destroy the Democratic Party in the same way that Trump did. 0:09:53.480 --> 0:09:56.560 And part of it's like they some of her message 0:09:56.559 --> 0:10:00.280 I think does resonate with them because it's true, but 0:10:00.520 --> 0:10:03.559 ultimately they can't wait to vote for Donald Trump no 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:07.480 matter what. Uh So, I just I it really bothers 0:10:07.559 --> 0:10:11.800 me that it's this mix of of irony and earnestness 0:10:11.960 --> 0:10:16.920 and just really bullshit trolling, and it's going to happen 0:10:16.960 --> 0:10:19.240 more and more. And I wanted to really bothers me. 0:10:19.640 --> 0:10:23.079 It's mostly it's mostly trolling. It mostly is rolling, but 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:27.280 is there. And I think the primary person she's going 0:10:27.360 --> 0:10:31.040 to cannibalize votes from is Andrew yang Um because I 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:34.680 think there's kind of the same candidate, like different shades 0:10:34.720 --> 0:10:36.520 of the same candidate. They're talking about the same kind 0:10:36.559 --> 0:10:40.120 of yeah yeah problems, like the deep rooted problems, and 0:10:40.200 --> 0:10:43.320 like Andrew yang Uh, like a lot of his early 0:10:43.400 --> 0:10:46.400 support was like a mix of kids wanting to just 0:10:46.520 --> 0:10:48.719 be able to like play video games and live on 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:51.520 a thousand dollars a month and thinking the name yang 0:10:51.679 --> 0:10:55.800 was funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yang Gang, perfect to go. 0:10:56.080 --> 0:10:59.160 I'm on board Marian and her her ORB core. Yeah, 0:10:59.200 --> 0:11:02.520 the orb core. Yeah. So I don't know, but like 0:11:02.679 --> 0:11:06.559 what scares me about the ironic following is that it 0:11:07.400 --> 0:11:10.079 has become real before, which is why we have the 0:11:10.160 --> 0:11:12.800 president we have, and it's important to acknowledge it right now. 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.120 All she has to do is stay this good at 0:11:16.160 --> 0:11:20.640 the Grift for six to seven months, and it's theoretically 0:11:20.720 --> 0:11:22.760 possible that she could pick up enough of a head 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:24.959 of steam that there would be a point of no 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.079 return at which we all find ourselves in the situation that, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:32.079 like the few sane Republicans found themselves inten I going like, 0:11:32.200 --> 0:11:36.080 oh my god, we can't stop this um And again 0:11:36.320 --> 0:11:39.880 she doesn't. She hasn't picked up yet. I doubt it's 0:11:40.559 --> 0:11:43.040 I just I'm so worried after two thousand sixteen that 0:11:43.120 --> 0:11:46.559 I won't say it's impossible. Yeah, but I think I 0:11:47.200 --> 0:11:49.960 see a lot of that, and I don't think there's 0:11:50.200 --> 0:11:51.599 a need to worry. I think it's good to have 0:11:51.679 --> 0:11:53.440 her there to say the things she that she's saying, 0:11:53.440 --> 0:11:56.040 because maybe some of the more legitimate cannics will pick 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:57.600 it up and be like, oh, actually, oh yeah, she's right. 0:11:57.840 --> 0:12:01.280 I think that too now. But like Trump definitely was 0:12:01.320 --> 0:12:05.640 pulling way better, was way more popular beforehand, and that field, 0:12:05.720 --> 0:12:10.360 if you think about the Republican field in it was 0:12:10.400 --> 0:12:14.679 pretty abysmal. Like the other person was Ted Cruz, and 0:12:14.880 --> 0:12:19.480 we they're actually like viable candidate Jeb I ever got 0:12:20.440 --> 0:12:23.199 none of us, None of us have forgotten Jeb. We 0:12:23.280 --> 0:12:28.679 were frequently comparing candidates on stage to evening. There's a 0:12:28.720 --> 0:12:33.760 lot of Jebs. There's hicken Looper, Jeb Delayney Jeb with 0:12:33.880 --> 0:12:37.600 Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett, the guy whose name I forget 0:12:37.720 --> 0:12:40.160 every every time. The other guy it's not Michael Bennett, 0:12:40.160 --> 0:12:44.319 already forgot it. There's a nope. Yeah, the guy I 0:12:44.360 --> 0:12:46.520 don't know, you know, the guy there were too many 0:12:46.559 --> 0:12:48.840 white too many white people last night to keep track 0:12:48.920 --> 0:12:52.520 of good thing. He put his glasses on. I mean seriously, 0:12:52.640 --> 0:12:55.080 he put those glasses on to distinguish himself from all 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:57.280 the other ways from them. They're like, there are actual 0:12:57.360 --> 0:13:01.400 candidates up there that people gravitate towards, uh way more 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:06.079 than they would accidentally sort of because they're real, you know. 0:13:06.320 --> 0:13:08.199 All right, Well, I want to say right now my 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.480 most important takeaway from the night, which is my realization 0:13:11.720 --> 0:13:15.800 that both Insley and Andrew Yang have the same rough 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:20.160 silhouette of a human shaping. They're both shaped like thumbs. 0:13:20.200 --> 0:13:23.040 They're both thumb men. Incredibly important, and thank you for 0:13:23.160 --> 0:13:26.439 being brave enough to share that with us, for praising 0:13:26.520 --> 0:13:30.880 my bravery is going to be in the archives of America. Yeah, 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.040 this is for posterity, y'all. Um. I want to talk 0:13:34.080 --> 0:13:37.720 about some more about CNN, but specifically so last night. 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:40.800 Obviously it was a gang up on Biden. But that 0:13:40.960 --> 0:13:43.559 was mostly tonight, That's what I mean, And that was 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:47.920 mostly generated from people on stage coming not to look around, 0:13:48.000 --> 0:13:51.840 but last night, so many of the questions that came 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:58.679 to the candidates were attacking Bernie moderators. The moderators, they 0:13:58.720 --> 0:14:04.080 were like, Elizabeth Warren, you're a capitalist. Does that make 0:14:04.160 --> 0:14:07.599 you a safer choice than Bernie? Or like, but do 0:14:07.679 --> 0:14:10.719 you think that America is ready for do you think 0:14:10.800 --> 0:14:13.520 that the idea of socialism makes people afraid of Sanders? 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:16.480 You know, what do you think about Sanders? There's plan 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:19.120 to go to all electric cars, and even tonight there 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:23.800 was questions about Sanders and that made me so angry 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:28.680 Bernie Brown now everybody, it's it's really interesting, like how 0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.920 one sided the aggression from the moderators was. It was 0:14:33.680 --> 0:14:37.480 it was like they really were just like going after 0:14:40.440 --> 0:14:44.360 and it's yeah, yeah, I'm glad people didn't seem to 0:14:44.400 --> 0:14:47.920 take the bait because it's not really super dangerous at 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:51.760 the stage to alienate Bernie Sanders support. And they still 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:54.360 they still like, you know, disagreed, and there were some 0:14:54.600 --> 0:15:00.280 some scuffles, but like the framing was really frustrating. Katie, 0:15:00.280 --> 0:15:02.200 I saw your tweet last year and I was like, 0:15:02.320 --> 0:15:05.240 oh man, even Katie's like really pissed about this, which 0:15:05.480 --> 0:15:09.120 like it's so it's so blatant, the bias there and 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.120 the way they're framing the questions, and then they just 0:15:11.400 --> 0:15:14.120 do not want him to be the president. Uh yeah, 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:16.120 a little bit Warren too, but I think they feel 0:15:16.160 --> 0:15:18.800 like she's a little safer and well they straight up 0:15:18.880 --> 0:15:21.680 said that in the questions and exactly it's like like 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.920 they have to be heard. They're picking questions that are 0:15:26.040 --> 0:15:29.880 shaping the narrative, like shaping how people are perceiving the candidate, 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:33.320 and they know it. And it was wild Hutchers. Yeah, 0:15:33.320 --> 0:15:35.960 and they seem straight up irritated and combat of the 0:15:36.040 --> 0:15:40.760 candidates millionaires. Everyone asking the questions, and every one of 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:46.000 these debates is a millionairellionaires funded by billionaires. Yeah, it's that. 0:15:46.800 --> 0:15:48.280 This is one of the things that I think is 0:15:48.360 --> 0:15:53.080 maybe awry with the situation. I wonder if maybe we 0:15:53.160 --> 0:15:55.800 would have no problems with moderators if they just picked 0:15:55.840 --> 0:16:00.040 a bunch of like crusty middle class political journalists have 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.960 been like fucking slinging shit, uh in the d C 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:06.440 Press corps for the last ten years and like had 0:16:06.520 --> 0:16:10.840 them just get them like moderately drunk and then wired 0:16:10.880 --> 0:16:13.360 on speed and let them ask whatever questions come to 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:17.440 mind for three hours. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's uh 0:16:18.160 --> 0:16:20.680 the idea that they they're just like, yeah, you you, 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:23.240 you guys, you guys can do it. You'll ask all 0:16:23.280 --> 0:16:25.480 the questions that are going to shape the nation and 0:16:25.800 --> 0:16:28.000 h everybody. I mean, there's been a lot of talk 0:16:28.000 --> 0:16:30.240 about this online. I was thinking about it last night. 0:16:30.320 --> 0:16:32.760 I mean even I think it was Warren started calling 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:34.600 it out last night. Was how a lot of these 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:37.640 questions were basically Republican talking points, and it really felt 0:16:37.680 --> 0:16:39.400 and I know that last night was supposed to be 0:16:39.880 --> 0:16:44.240 the liberal stage when because you had you know, Warren 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.840 and there, but they were surrounded by a bunch of 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:51.640 people that were being pulled even further to the right 0:16:52.120 --> 0:16:54.480 with them on stage, and it was very transparent that 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.000 we've got these two very different parties up there on stage, 0:16:57.320 --> 0:17:00.080 and even the ads for it, even the ads the 0:17:00.160 --> 0:17:04.159 moderates go after the Yeah, it was just really it 0:17:04.280 --> 0:17:06.399 felt very very blatant in a way that it hadn't 0:17:06.440 --> 0:17:09.879 been before. But yes, this idea that like they are 0:17:10.040 --> 0:17:12.840 throwing conservative talking points, they're like kind of doing the 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:15.879 work for people, Like I don't some of that's the 0:17:15.960 --> 0:17:19.080 Democratic Party. Some of that, yeah, some of it doesn't 0:17:19.160 --> 0:17:20.840 bother me. I don't mean all of them, but just 0:17:20.920 --> 0:17:23.600 every so often. Like the way they're framing this question 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:26.560 is like leading into a different kind of narrative. I think, so, 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.080 I think the man tonight so many of the people 0:17:30.160 --> 0:17:33.280 on stage used the phrase Republican talking point. Very frustrating, 0:17:33.480 --> 0:17:35.119 but that's because they got it from last night. They 0:17:35.119 --> 0:17:38.760 got it from because the big applause lives and it 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.919 was a very it was very pointed specific example, uh, 0:17:43.040 --> 0:17:45.719 and it made sense in the context of the conversation, 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:48.359 and then it caught on and then everyone's night. There 0:17:48.400 --> 0:17:50.479 are some arguments that were made a lot last night 0:17:50.520 --> 0:17:52.520 too that we're like, that's just something you would hear 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.600 on a panel from Fox. Like there's one one of 0:17:55.640 --> 0:17:58.720 the guys again I can't remember his name, was like, 0:17:59.040 --> 0:18:01.120 why would you say you're gonna why do you say 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:03.800 you're gonna pay for you know, I legal immigrants healthcare 0:18:03.960 --> 0:18:05.680 when there are people struggling to pay for their own. 0:18:05.880 --> 0:18:07.840 I was like, well, for all there, they won't be 0:18:07.840 --> 0:18:10.560 struggling for their own Like the framing of that is 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:13.359 so on its face ridiculous and nonsense. You'd hear it 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:17.440 on like a Fox newspantil. But there's some times when 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.040 people are like, oh, the Republican talking points, that's Republican 0:18:20.080 --> 0:18:22.880 talking point. It's okay to ask questions in that way 0:18:23.520 --> 0:18:26.080 because they're going to have to they're going to be 0:18:26.440 --> 0:18:29.560 facing Donald Trump, they're gonna be facing like people on 0:18:29.640 --> 0:18:34.200 Fox News, like they're there. It's okay sometimes to phrase 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.720 questions in that way to see how they would handle it. 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:41.040 I completely agree. Yeah, that was the next thing out, Okay. Yeah, 0:18:41.040 --> 0:18:43.159 I think tonight was like a little a little too 0:18:43.240 --> 0:18:47.080 much like don't ask me, Yeah, that's a Republican talking point. Yeah, yeah, 0:18:47.280 --> 0:18:51.200 I totally I hear that. Yeah. I think that whenever 0:18:51.320 --> 0:18:53.359 you're do a debate like this, though, where you've got 0:18:53.680 --> 0:18:56.040 you're splitting it up into two nights, the second night 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.399 is always a partly go even if unconsciously going to 0:18:59.440 --> 0:19:01.919 be a response for the sure um and I think 0:19:01.960 --> 0:19:04.800 we've seen that with both debates, Like the first night 0:19:05.480 --> 0:19:09.359 you get a more genuine discussion of the issues, which 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:18.040 this was not as much of it. This was an 0:19:18.040 --> 0:19:21.920 attack show. Tonight. I did love all of the Joe 0:19:21.960 --> 0:19:24.320 Biden all. We can talk about some of that. Some 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:27.080 of you are What were your best Biden throwdown moments? 0:19:27.560 --> 0:19:28.879 I mean there's lots of other stuff I wanted to 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:32.840 talk to. So easy on me at the beginning. Yeah, 0:19:32.920 --> 0:19:36.639 that was sad. Joe. You've been in this game, what 0:19:36.960 --> 0:19:40.280 fifty years? You know that's not how it works, right, 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:45.040 you can. I think that my favorite was Castro's some 0:19:45.160 --> 0:19:48.159 of us learned from the past moment or whatever. That 0:19:48.359 --> 0:19:51.400 was real good. That was really good. It was good. 0:19:51.600 --> 0:19:56.040 H This isn't an attack on Joe. I mean it is, 0:19:56.200 --> 0:19:58.760 but it's not someone attacking him, but like the book 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.080 ends of the very getting him saying go easy on me, 0:20:02.440 --> 0:20:05.399 and then the last thing he says is, uh, if 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:07.919 you support me, go to Joe three oh three three oh, 0:20:09.080 --> 0:20:13.360 which is not a website. He meant to say, text Joe. Uh. 0:20:13.560 --> 0:20:18.760 He left out, but also it's supposed to be joined 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.639 and they just changed it to Joe uh with a tweet, 0:20:21.640 --> 0:20:25.040 but it's supposed to be joined. The first thing he 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.600 says is go easy on me, and the last thing 0:20:27.680 --> 0:20:30.160 he says is just he's not he's not going easy 0:20:30.200 --> 0:20:33.040 on himself. I mean he I felt we were talking 0:20:33.080 --> 0:20:35.840 about this earlier. I felt bad for him in the 0:20:35.920 --> 0:20:38.080 way that like, yes, when you're watching the office, you 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:40.119 cringe and you feel bad to a person on up 0:20:40.119 --> 0:20:43.040 there because he was I mean, he definitely had more 0:20:43.160 --> 0:20:47.200 like energy, I would say than the last but he 0:20:47.400 --> 0:20:52.159 was it wasn't yeah, but he was stuttering, he was 0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.480 all over the place. He was not responding, he was 0:20:55.560 --> 0:20:58.960 being I mean, watching the debate, I felt like his 0:20:59.080 --> 0:21:01.480 debate prep with a lot of him coming in and 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.000 smiling and wasting time talking to his staffers and then 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:07.080 being like, don't worry, guys, I got it, you know 0:21:07.119 --> 0:21:08.920 what I mean. Like he's like, I've been doing this 0:21:09.000 --> 0:21:13.400 for thirty years. You know, I've lost many presidential elections. 0:21:14.160 --> 0:21:17.320 His um. I really wish if I'd been a little 0:21:17.359 --> 0:21:19.400 bit more coaching, I would have taken down a couple 0:21:19.440 --> 0:21:22.160 of his answers and tried to diagram the actual sentences 0:21:22.200 --> 0:21:26.240 he spoke, because they were almost always not quite nonsense, 0:21:26.359 --> 0:21:31.359 but like not sentences, not complete thoughts coming out of 0:21:31.440 --> 0:21:33.600 his head. Ye, like to the point where it was 0:21:34.040 --> 0:21:39.200 concerning to me, Yeah, right, you get it, but like 0:21:39.600 --> 0:21:42.120 they're not I get what you're trying to say, didn't 0:21:42.280 --> 0:21:45.520 properly say it does not have a poker face. Whenever 0:21:45.680 --> 0:21:47.639 somebody starts to talk to him in a way that 0:21:47.680 --> 0:21:50.480 was aggressive, you could just see his face fall. It 0:21:50.600 --> 0:21:54.280 was so sad. I'm so used to being respected because 0:21:54.280 --> 0:21:56.440 no one thought he was going to run again. I know, 0:21:56.760 --> 0:21:58.800 everybody was like, okay, well we can bear with him. 0:22:00.080 --> 0:22:02.399 It was like I always felt like his heart was 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:04.800 breaking just a little bit every time someone started to 0:22:04.840 --> 0:22:09.400 beat him up. Um, I'm laughing about it. The other 0:22:11.560 --> 0:22:15.199 like him still yeah, he's still calling very well, it's unbearable. Uh. 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.080 The other moment this is I actually I really liked 0:22:18.560 --> 0:22:23.480 the Gilip know was gabbered and Kamala When Gabbert was 0:22:23.880 --> 0:22:27.600