Speaker 1: I'm Robert Evans, and this is not an episode of
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards, but it's running in UH plugged into
Speaker 1: Behind the Bastards. This is an episode of Katie uh in,
Speaker 1: Cody and I talking about the second set of Democratic
Speaker 1: debates as a prelude for our our election year podcast,
Speaker 1: which will be a fun weekly podcast about the worst
Speaker 1: year of all of our lives and with a title
Speaker 1: vaguely similar to that. So the title is still in flux,
Speaker 1: but it's going to be something like, that's gonna be
Speaker 1: really good. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be better
Speaker 1: than the year. It is going to be better than
Speaker 1: the year. Anyway, here's the podcast. I have been on
Speaker 1: a lot of planes. Robert literally got off a plane
Speaker 1: and then drove to the office to drop off a
Speaker 1: step and then drove to my house. And I don't
Speaker 1: know when was the last time you slept well other
Speaker 1: than my couch. Briefly, the last time I had a
Speaker 1: full night's sleep was in Iraq, So it's been it's
Speaker 1: been a minute. Um. I mean, I have so many
Speaker 1: questions about that, but that's not what we're here tonight.
Speaker 1: And we're here to talk about the debate politics. Yes, sweet,
Speaker 1: best kind of politics, sexy, moist, wiry, wristle, phil Well,
Speaker 1: I like, I'm okay with the word moist, but not
Speaker 1: when used in the sexual connotation. Like I think moist
Speaker 1: is a perfectly wonderful word to use when talking about
Speaker 1: cake cake chicken. Sure, but I think in the context
Speaker 1: of the other words I was saying, we were all
Speaker 1: picturing kind of Joe Biden's wattle. Sure, that was that
Speaker 1: what was in all's head when you said moist. I'm
Speaker 1: almost always no, it was yeah, Cody, you just got
Speaker 1: in last night, so you're also out of it. I'm
Speaker 1: I've been around the longest. I've been back for a
Speaker 1: few days, but I'm also out of it, so this
Speaker 1: will be fun. So, just like the front runner of
Speaker 1: Democratic Party, we have all been going for too long
Speaker 1: to properly do our jobs. Today. We haven't learned. We
Speaker 1: haven't learned a lesson from times past when it proved
Speaker 1: to be a bad idea to go too hard. We
Speaker 1: should have taken Elizabeth Warren up on her offer to
Speaker 1: host the I know that was a real real mistake.
Speaker 1: If we're lucky, she'll call in um like she does
Speaker 1: with her donor calls. But let's talk about the debates,
Speaker 1: you guys. That's what we're here, that's the magic that
Speaker 1: we're here to discuss. Um. Who did you come away
Speaker 1: from liking? Who surprised you all of that? I mean,
Speaker 1: Corey Booker had some great moments. Honestly, truly not a
Speaker 1: big Corey Booker fan, but he has some really solid
Speaker 1: He's a good he's a good debater. He surprised me tonight.
Speaker 1: I was really impressed with him all evening long. I was.
Speaker 1: I guess I wasn't. I mean, loved what jans Lee
Speaker 1: said about climate change. I'm glad he's doing what he's think.
Speaker 1: If he wasn't there, they wouldn't have talked about climate
Speaker 1: change nearly enough. In some cases, probably not at all.
Speaker 1: I think of all of the people on that stage,
Speaker 1: he might be the only one doing like a kind
Speaker 1: of noble thing, which is just like, well, I'm just
Speaker 1: going to get up there and shoutow about the planets. Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: A little more a more focused Mike Grivel. Yeah, like
Speaker 1: he knows that he's not winning. He's there to specifically
Speaker 1: talk about something, to talk about it well and hold
Speaker 1: for a position in the cabinet so we can actually
Speaker 1: do that work people to task, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I would love to see him in the cabinet um.
Speaker 1: But here's what I was frustrated by with the climate
Speaker 1: change conversations, and that would be the moderators. I mean,
Speaker 1: I would guess it was frustrated throughout the whole thing,
Speaker 1: but specifically with climate change. This is important, and you're
Speaker 1: up there interrupting people halfway through how they're actually explaining
Speaker 1: what they're planning to do. It makes me crazy. I think,
Speaker 1: in before the next election, if there are more elections,
Speaker 1: we need to have an election to decide who's going
Speaker 1: to moderate the future talking debates, because zero of the
Speaker 1: people they've brought forward to so far have been any
Speaker 1: good at it. Not very good, not very good. No. Um,
Speaker 1: really frustrating to watch. In general, it's not hard, no,
Speaker 1: just ask ask them questions and then if you have
Speaker 1: to re ask the question, which they did a few times,
Speaker 1: but also like I don't know, there are a few
Speaker 1: times more so last night I think tonight maybe of
Speaker 1: like I keep thinking of this moment where someone said
Speaker 1: something specific about Elizabeth Warren and she was like she
Speaker 1: literally raised her hand like She's like, I kind of please,
Speaker 1: I need to I need to like respond to that.
Speaker 1: That's not true. I need to respond. She kept saying that,
Speaker 1: and they would not let her do it. They did
Speaker 1: a couple of times, but yeah, no, I agree with
Speaker 1: you completely. It's frustrating, especially since it takes like a
Speaker 1: good fifteen minutes to even get the show started and there,
Speaker 1: and they always end fifteen minutes early, so it's not
Speaker 1: really a three hour debate. There's twenty two people. There's
Speaker 1: also go a lot to like, um, like, they'll go
Speaker 1: to Yang way too well, So I think it's frustrating
Speaker 1: when they go to people like Yang and like even
Speaker 1: Insley and they give them like fifteen seconds they really like,
Speaker 1: you can tell that they have way less time to
Speaker 1: even respond or or answer direct questions. Is that's frustrating to, like,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna have twenty people on stage, give them
Speaker 1: the time that they need, you know, Yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 1: do agree. Who else impressed you in a surprising way?
Speaker 1: In a surprising way? Well, okay, so let's talk about
Speaker 1: Marian Williamson. I mean, because I mean I tweeted about this.
Speaker 1: I don't think anybody thinks that I would vote for her.
Speaker 1: I do not consider her a serious candidate. I have
Speaker 1: great issues with things she's said and done in the past,
Speaker 1: but I did appreciate a lot of the stuff she
Speaker 1: set up there. Uh, the least important of which was
Speaker 1: her specifically saying like, I'm starting to think that some
Speaker 1: of you people on stage aren't actually Democrats. I was like, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was really important to say that someone actually said that. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, like, yeah, no, I think it is, So
Speaker 1: that's I I liked that. But you guys have been
Speaker 1: talking about some of the conversation online about Marian Williamson,
Speaker 1: so let's let's dig into that for a minute. I mean,
Speaker 1: our conversation started with me saying I wouldn't I could
Speaker 1: see her winning. Yeah, um, just because I couldn't see
Speaker 1: Trump winning, and kind of looked at him with the
Speaker 1: same sort of mirth that I was initially looking at
Speaker 1: Marian Williamson with. And I don't want to I hope
Speaker 1: that doesn't happen. She's not like pulling as well as
Speaker 1: he is, which he pointed out Katie, but like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he pulled really well early on. She's reaching out for
Speaker 1: the same like the the mirror mirror images of the
Speaker 1: parts of the of the liberal psyche that Trump was
Speaker 1: reaching out, you know, for the conservative psyche, Like on
Speaker 1: the right it's like outright fascism that he was pulling from,
Speaker 1: and on the left it's uh space wo or bullshit,
Speaker 1: which is like the left wing equivalent of the writes genocide. Right,
Speaker 1: She's like, she's got this populist, definite message, especially when
Speaker 1: she ends with I'm the only one that can bring
Speaker 1: that constant cryptic references to healthcare. She's not saying what
Speaker 1: you know, she thinks, Yeah, this is the big she's
Speaker 1: talking about, right, and just sort of positive thinking, and
Speaker 1: like there's you know, something can be said for the
Speaker 1: value of positive thinking, but that's not why we're hearing
Speaker 1: not much. And I there's so there and for it
Speaker 1: from what I gather most of her career, there is
Speaker 1: a grifting aspect to it. And part of being a
Speaker 1: grifter is that some of the stuff you say is
Speaker 1: really true, which is why it resonates so much. And
Speaker 1: that's why sometimes during the debate last night, I was like, fuck, yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: yeh here, yes, right, she's good sifter, but because what
Speaker 1: she's saying is true, but there's all this stuff around it.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you shouldn't be the president. So when
Speaker 1: I watched I had I had a similar I pivot
Speaker 1: to her because we're talking about James Lee and like,
Speaker 1: I kind of see her role on that stage is
Speaker 1: in a similar but very different you know, things that
Speaker 1: she's talking about and different things. But because I don't
Speaker 1: take her seriously as a candidate, I just am like
Speaker 1: appreciate somebody being up there and saying some stuff that
Speaker 1: you're like, yeah, well someone needed to say it. Anyone
Speaker 1: else was. She also talked about reparations, reparations of the
Speaker 1: election stuff, and also environmental justice and brought up there's
Speaker 1: something things that she brought up that no one else
Speaker 1: up and when so we're talking about the n r
Speaker 1: A and going back and forth about who has the
Speaker 1: worst standing with the n r A, and she says like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's well and good, but you know, money and politics,
Speaker 1: money from corporations is like the disease of this country,
Speaker 1: and how many of these people on stage have been
Speaker 1: taking money from corporations. I was like, fuck, man, yes,
Speaker 1: please more of that kind of conversation right now. We
Speaker 1: need people to be thinking about that, not that it's
Speaker 1: going to change right away. But like say that on
Speaker 1: national TV, if she didn't exist outside of the debates,
Speaker 1: she'd be in the upper candidates for me. Yeah, if
Speaker 1: she didn't, if the rest of her life wasn't a thing. Absolutely.
Speaker 1: There's also this sort of um movement around her that
Speaker 1: sort of started out ironic and it's sort of morphed
Speaker 1: into more genuine. Some of it is coming from and
Speaker 1: I was talking to this about this earlier with you,
Speaker 1: and I still don't know exactly what my problem is
Speaker 1: with it. But there's a lot of conservative pundits and
Speaker 1: like these sort of truly Republicans who are really into her,
Speaker 1: and it's partly ironic and it's partly genuine, but it's
Speaker 1: all horseship, and part of it seems like they're just
Speaker 1: trying to lift her up so they can sort of
Speaker 1: destroy the Democratic Party in the same way that Trump did.
Speaker 1: And part of it's like they some of her message
Speaker 1: I think does resonate with them because it's true, but
Speaker 1: ultimately they can't wait to vote for Donald Trump no
Speaker 1: matter what. Uh So, I just I it really bothers
Speaker 1: me that it's this mix of of irony and earnestness
Speaker 1: and just really bullshit trolling, and it's going to happen
Speaker 1: more and more. And I wanted to really bothers me.
Speaker 1: It's mostly it's mostly trolling. It mostly is rolling, but
Speaker 1: is there. And I think the primary person she's going
Speaker 1: to cannibalize votes from is Andrew yang Um because I
Speaker 1: think there's kind of the same candidate, like different shades
Speaker 1: of the same candidate. They're talking about the same kind
Speaker 1: of yeah yeah problems, like the deep rooted problems, and
Speaker 1: like Andrew yang Uh, like a lot of his early
Speaker 1: support was like a mix of kids wanting to just
Speaker 1: be able to like play video games and live on
Speaker 1: a thousand dollars a month and thinking the name yang
Speaker 1: was funny. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yang Gang, perfect to go.
Speaker 1: I'm on board Marian and her her ORB core. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the orb core. Yeah. So I don't know, but like
Speaker 1: what scares me about the ironic following is that it
Speaker 1: has become real before, which is why we have the
Speaker 1: president we have, and it's important to acknowledge it right now.
Speaker 1: All she has to do is stay this good at
Speaker 1: the Grift for six to seven months, and it's theoretically
Speaker 1: possible that she could pick up enough of a head
Speaker 1: of steam that there would be a point of no
Speaker 1: return at which we all find ourselves in the situation that,
Speaker 1: like the few sane Republicans found themselves inten I going like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, we can't stop this um And again
Speaker 1: she doesn't. She hasn't picked up yet. I doubt it's
Speaker 1: I just I'm so worried after two thousand sixteen that
Speaker 1: I won't say it's impossible. Yeah, but I think I
Speaker 1: see a lot of that, and I don't think there's
Speaker 1: a need to worry. I think it's good to have
Speaker 1: her there to say the things she that she's saying,
Speaker 1: because maybe some of the more legitimate cannics will pick
Speaker 1: it up and be like, oh, actually, oh yeah, she's right.
Speaker 1: I think that too now. But like Trump definitely was
Speaker 1: pulling way better, was way more popular beforehand, and that field,
Speaker 1: if you think about the Republican field in it was
Speaker 1: pretty abysmal. Like the other person was Ted Cruz, and
Speaker 1: we they're actually like viable candidate Jeb I ever got
Speaker 1: none of us, None of us have forgotten Jeb. We
Speaker 1: were frequently comparing candidates on stage to evening. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of Jebs. There's hicken Looper, Jeb Delayney Jeb with
Speaker 1: Michael Bennett. Michael Bennett, the guy whose name I forget
Speaker 1: every every time. The other guy it's not Michael Bennett,
Speaker 1: already forgot it. There's a nope. Yeah, the guy I
Speaker 1: don't know, you know, the guy there were too many
Speaker 1: white too many white people last night to keep track
Speaker 1: of good thing. He put his glasses on. I mean seriously,
Speaker 1: he put those glasses on to distinguish himself from all
Speaker 1: the other ways from them. They're like, there are actual
Speaker 1: candidates up there that people gravitate towards, uh way more
Speaker 1: than they would accidentally sort of because they're real, you know.
Speaker 1: All right, Well, I want to say right now my
Speaker 1: most important takeaway from the night, which is my realization
Speaker 1: that both Insley and Andrew Yang have the same rough
Speaker 1: silhouette of a human shaping. They're both shaped like thumbs.
Speaker 1: They're both thumb men. Incredibly important, and thank you for
Speaker 1: being brave enough to share that with us, for praising
Speaker 1: my bravery is going to be in the archives of America. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is for posterity, y'all. Um. I want to talk
Speaker 1: about some more about CNN, but specifically so last night.
Speaker 1: Obviously it was a gang up on Biden. But that
Speaker 1: was mostly tonight, That's what I mean, And that was
Speaker 1: mostly generated from people on stage coming not to look around,
Speaker 1: but last night, so many of the questions that came
Speaker 1: to the candidates were attacking Bernie moderators. The moderators, they
Speaker 1: were like, Elizabeth Warren, you're a capitalist. Does that make
Speaker 1: you a safer choice than Bernie? Or like, but do
Speaker 1: you think that America is ready for do you think
Speaker 1: that the idea of socialism makes people afraid of Sanders?
Speaker 1: You know, what do you think about Sanders? There's plan
Speaker 1: to go to all electric cars, and even tonight there
Speaker 1: was questions about Sanders and that made me so angry
Speaker 1: Bernie Brown now everybody, it's it's really interesting, like how
Speaker 1: one sided the aggression from the moderators was. It was
Speaker 1: it was like they really were just like going after
Speaker 1: and it's yeah, yeah, I'm glad people didn't seem to
Speaker 1: take the bait because it's not really super dangerous at
Speaker 1: the stage to alienate Bernie Sanders support. And they still
Speaker 1: they still like, you know, disagreed, and there were some
Speaker 1: some scuffles, but like the framing was really frustrating. Katie,
Speaker 1: I saw your tweet last year and I was like,
Speaker 1: oh man, even Katie's like really pissed about this, which
Speaker 1: like it's so it's so blatant, the bias there and
Speaker 1: the way they're framing the questions, and then they just
Speaker 1: do not want him to be the president. Uh yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit Warren too, but I think they feel
Speaker 1: like she's a little safer and well they straight up
Speaker 1: said that in the questions and exactly it's like like
Speaker 1: they have to be heard. They're picking questions that are
Speaker 1: shaping the narrative, like shaping how people are perceiving the candidate,
Speaker 1: and they know it. And it was wild Hutchers. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they seem straight up irritated and combat of the
Speaker 1: candidates millionaires. Everyone asking the questions, and every one of
Speaker 1: these debates is a millionairellionaires funded by billionaires. Yeah, it's that.
Speaker 1: This is one of the things that I think is
Speaker 1: maybe awry with the situation. I wonder if maybe we
Speaker 1: would have no problems with moderators if they just picked
Speaker 1: a bunch of like crusty middle class political journalists have
Speaker 1: been like fucking slinging shit, uh in the d C
Speaker 1: Press corps for the last ten years and like had
Speaker 1: them just get them like moderately drunk and then wired
Speaker 1: on speed and let them ask whatever questions come to
Speaker 1: mind for three hours. Yeah, I mean, yeah, it's uh
Speaker 1: the idea that they they're just like, yeah, you you,
Speaker 1: you guys, you guys can do it. You'll ask all
Speaker 1: the questions that are going to shape the nation and
Speaker 1: h everybody. I mean, there's been a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about this online. I was thinking about it last night.
Speaker 1: I mean even I think it was Warren started calling
Speaker 1: it out last night. Was how a lot of these
Speaker 1: questions were basically Republican talking points, and it really felt
Speaker 1: and I know that last night was supposed to be
Speaker 1: the liberal stage when because you had you know, Warren
Speaker 1: and there, but they were surrounded by a bunch of
Speaker 1: people that were being pulled even further to the right
Speaker 1: with them on stage, and it was very transparent that
Speaker 1: we've got these two very different parties up there on stage,
Speaker 1: and even the ads for it, even the ads the
Speaker 1: moderates go after the Yeah, it was just really it
Speaker 1: felt very very blatant in a way that it hadn't
Speaker 1: been before. But yes, this idea that like they are
Speaker 1: throwing conservative talking points, they're like kind of doing the
Speaker 1: work for people, Like I don't some of that's the
Speaker 1: Democratic Party. Some of that, yeah, some of it doesn't
Speaker 1: bother me. I don't mean all of them, but just
Speaker 1: every so often. Like the way they're framing this question
Speaker 1: is like leading into a different kind of narrative. I think, so,
Speaker 1: I think the man tonight so many of the people
Speaker 1: on stage used the phrase Republican talking point. Very frustrating,
Speaker 1: but that's because they got it from last night. They
Speaker 1: got it from because the big applause lives and it
Speaker 1: was a very it was very pointed specific example, uh,
Speaker 1: and it made sense in the context of the conversation,
Speaker 1: and then it caught on and then everyone's night. There
Speaker 1: are some arguments that were made a lot last night
Speaker 1: too that we're like, that's just something you would hear
Speaker 1: on a panel from Fox. Like there's one one of
Speaker 1: the guys again I can't remember his name, was like,
Speaker 1: why would you say you're gonna why do you say
Speaker 1: you're gonna pay for you know, I legal immigrants healthcare
Speaker 1: when there are people struggling to pay for their own.
Speaker 1: I was like, well, for all there, they won't be
Speaker 1: struggling for their own Like the framing of that is
Speaker 1: so on its face ridiculous and nonsense. You'd hear it
Speaker 1: on like a Fox newspantil. But there's some times when
Speaker 1: people are like, oh, the Republican talking points, that's Republican
Speaker 1: talking point. It's okay to ask questions in that way
Speaker 1: because they're going to have to they're going to be
Speaker 1: facing Donald Trump, they're gonna be facing like people on
Speaker 1: Fox News, like they're there. It's okay sometimes to phrase
Speaker 1: questions in that way to see how they would handle it.
Speaker 1: I completely agree. Yeah, that was the next thing out, Okay. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think tonight was like a little a little too
Speaker 1: much like don't ask me, Yeah, that's a Republican talking point. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I totally I hear that. Yeah. I think that whenever
Speaker 1: you're do a debate like this, though, where you've got
Speaker 1: you're splitting it up into two nights, the second night
Speaker 1: is always a partly go even if unconsciously going to
Speaker 1: be a response for the sure um and I think
Speaker 1: we've seen that with both debates, Like the first night
Speaker 1: you get a more genuine discussion of the issues, which
Speaker 1: this was not as much of it. This was an
Speaker 1: attack show. Tonight. I did love all of the Joe
Speaker 1: Biden all. We can talk about some of that. Some
Speaker 1: of you are What were your best Biden throwdown moments?
Speaker 1: I mean there's lots of other stuff I wanted to
Speaker 1: talk to. So easy on me at the beginning. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that was sad. Joe. You've been in this game, what
Speaker 1: fifty years? You know that's not how it works, right,
Speaker 1: you can. I think that my favorite was Castro's some
Speaker 1: of us learned from the past moment or whatever. That
Speaker 1: was real good. That was really good. It was good.
Speaker 1: H This isn't an attack on Joe. I mean it is,
Speaker 1: but it's not someone attacking him, but like the book
Speaker 1: ends of the very getting him saying go easy on me,
Speaker 1: and then the last thing he says is, uh, if
Speaker 1: you support me, go to Joe three oh three three oh,
Speaker 1: which is not a website. He meant to say, text Joe. Uh.
Speaker 1: He left out, but also it's supposed to be joined
Speaker 1: and they just changed it to Joe uh with a tweet,
Speaker 1: but it's supposed to be joined. The first thing he
Speaker 1: says is go easy on me, and the last thing
Speaker 1: he says is just he's not he's not going easy
Speaker 1: on himself. I mean he I felt we were talking
Speaker 1: about this earlier. I felt bad for him in the
Speaker 1: way that like, yes, when you're watching the office, you
Speaker 1: cringe and you feel bad to a person on up
Speaker 1: there because he was I mean, he definitely had more
Speaker 1: like energy, I would say than the last but he
Speaker 1: was it wasn't yeah, but he was stuttering, he was
Speaker 1: all over the place. He was not responding, he was
Speaker 1: being I mean, watching the debate, I felt like his
Speaker 1: debate prep with a lot of him coming in and
Speaker 1: smiling and wasting time talking to his staffers and then
Speaker 1: being like, don't worry, guys, I got it, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like he's like, I've been doing this
Speaker 1: for thirty years. You know, I've lost many presidential elections.
Speaker 1: His um. I really wish if I'd been a little
Speaker 1: bit more coaching, I would have taken down a couple
Speaker 1: of his answers and tried to diagram the actual sentences
Speaker 1: he spoke, because they were almost always not quite nonsense,
Speaker 1: but like not sentences, not complete thoughts coming out of
Speaker 1: his head. Ye, like to the point where it was
Speaker 1: concerning to me, Yeah, right, you get it, but like
Speaker 1: they're not I get what you're trying to say, didn't
Speaker 1: properly say it does not have a poker face. Whenever
Speaker 1: somebody starts to talk to him in a way that
Speaker 1: was aggressive, you could just see his face fall. It
Speaker 1: was so sad. I'm so used to being respected because
Speaker 1: no one thought he was going to run again. I know,
Speaker 1: everybody was like, okay, well we can bear with him.
Speaker 1: It was like I always felt like his heart was
Speaker 1: breaking just a little bit every time someone started to
Speaker 1: beat him up. Um, I'm laughing about it. The other
Speaker 1: like him still yeah, he's still calling very well, it's unbearable. Uh.
Speaker 1: The other moment this is I actually I really liked
Speaker 1: the Gilip know was gabbered and Kamala When Gabbert was
Speaker 1: calling Kamala out on her record, which was really important,
Speaker 1: that was really bold, That was an important thing that
Speaker 1: need to be talked about. Kamala just sidestep that she
Speaker 1: only talked about She did not respond in any capacity.
Speaker 1: She had two opportunities and she did not, which should
Speaker 1: be enough to confirm that it's all true. You know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you can't directly address it, then there's reason. Um
Speaker 1: you guys, if you miss that rewatch it tearing into
Speaker 1: Kamala's terrible record as a prosecutor. Yeah, was a pretty
Speaker 1: sweet moment. Do you know much about it her background, Yeah,
Speaker 1: a little bit. I mean, just uh, she was the
Speaker 1: there was a lot of ugly stuff around, like trans
Speaker 1: people and like not allowing people to transition and stuff
Speaker 1: and and using prison labor like imprisoning uh parents for
Speaker 1: kids truancy. I think that she specifically talked, brought up
Speaker 1: tonight how she like blocked some evidence that would have
Speaker 1: saved a person from death row. Yeah, she was a
Speaker 1: really ugly like California as a state with a fucked
Speaker 1: up judicial system because there's forty million people here and
Speaker 1: she didn't make it less fucked up. So anyway, I
Speaker 1: I really, I mean, I'm not a fan. No, she's
Speaker 1: a monster, but I really appreciated that Ye took a
Speaker 1: trip to Syria paid for by essentially a fascist, like
Speaker 1: an actual fascist organization that was allied with the Assad
Speaker 1: regime uh, and met with Bashar al Assad, the greatest
Speaker 1: mass murder of our time, and then later in interviews
Speaker 1: refused to call him a war criminal after his many
Speaker 1: war crimes, and she visited after he had gassed She
Speaker 1: like sat down with this guy after he'd gassed thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of thousands of people to death. Um, she
Speaker 1: has some weird like Hindu nationalist fascist views of her own,
Speaker 1: and like the like she she played it well when
Speaker 1: she was like attacked for like the anti gay stuff
Speaker 1: in the first debate, like the whole I grew up
Speaker 1: and stuff, But like she came from a pretty gross
Speaker 1: evil cult background and she has not associated herself fully
Speaker 1: from it in her actual life. Um, there's some very
Speaker 1: concerning things about Tulsie Gabbard's background and beliefs, not the
Speaker 1: least of which is the fact that she was willing
Speaker 1: to let a fascist group take her to go hang
Speaker 1: with Bashar al Assad. I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 1: tell you guys what to do, but don't vote for her. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I'm not a big not a big tools Gabbard man,
Speaker 1: but she kind of nailed hitting Kamala Harris. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know she did a good job. No one else was.
Speaker 1: No one was going to go anywhere. Oh yeah, they
Speaker 1: didn't want to. They didn't want to touch touch that. Um,
Speaker 1: but someone had to. Yeah, it's it was a real
Speaker 1: one of those Onion article like the worst person you know,
Speaker 1: A great point I'm waiting for different not matchups, but like, uh,
Speaker 1: fewer people so more people can have converted Like that
Speaker 1: was great. I would like to see it was with
Speaker 1: Warren and Joe Biden talk to That's all I wanted.
Speaker 1: I was so mad. Although Joe Biden didn't need anybody
Speaker 1: else gaging up on him tonight. That pants like a
Speaker 1: fucking yeah. But I did really like um, I thought,
Speaker 1: even though it was definitely framed by CNN terribly because
Speaker 1: CNN sucks, uh like the progressives from the mutter It's
Speaker 1: and all that kind of garbage, But it was very
Speaker 1: cool to see Bernie and Elizabeth Warren up there together
Speaker 1: doing that. Like they weren't throwing each other under the body.
Speaker 1: They were backing each other up pretty well. There are
Speaker 1: a few moments where you can see them stare at
Speaker 1: each other and get like exchange looks like can you
Speaker 1: believe these people? And like it was clear that they
Speaker 1: had each other's backs um and gracefully responding so like
Speaker 1: at one point, I can't think of the specific example,
Speaker 1: but you know, a question to Elizabeth about like, well
Speaker 1: what about this element of Bernie's plan and her being like, no,
Speaker 1: that's not what it is this is what I voted for.
Speaker 1: I mean, she still made it about her, but like
Speaker 1: making it clear that like, no, we're on the same
Speaker 1: side here, and like, you're wrong, you're misinterpreting what we
Speaker 1: were saying. I want to talk about immigration stuff, immigrations,
Speaker 1: you love immigrations stuff, because that's a big topic in
Speaker 1: our country. In the debate, the candidates don't love immigration,
Speaker 1: and a love of the Democratic candidates don't love immigration.
Speaker 1: Biden wants to cherry pick races, so that I'm that
Speaker 1: like that like breathed by and I was like, wait,
Speaker 1: did he just say cherry pick? Like different, that's what
Speaker 1: makes this strong unbelievable, bonkers and like anyone with a
Speaker 1: PhD gets an automatic green card. I am so frustrated
Speaker 1: and appalled by the amount of people on that stage
Speaker 1: that just said we need to just need a new
Speaker 1: new president in office and that all fix the kids
Speaker 1: in cages. Like you know, you're you're missing the entire point.
Speaker 1: You are not that stupid. The point of decriminalizing immigration
Speaker 1: or illegal immigration isn't Yes, it's about getting kids out
Speaker 1: of cages. Yes, it's about allowing people to come here
Speaker 1: seeking asylum, but it's about protecting their human rights and
Speaker 1: Castor did a great job talking about it. And also
Speaker 1: again and he did the last time, um hammering home
Speaker 1: that going that it's about sending a it's about creating
Speaker 1: programs that help UH make the countries that they're leaving
Speaker 1: safer and more productive. About I mean, did Biden really
Speaker 1: hit that one? Like well, credit Biden repeatedly mentioned giving
Speaker 1: money to these counts, but he said that that's what
Speaker 1: he did. He said, he said that we did give
Speaker 1: he was defending himself. We gave a lot of money.
Speaker 1: But like also, I don't like that's great. I want
Speaker 1: to know how that money is spent. It's not just
Speaker 1: about because we look at Puerto Rico. Obviously that's a
Speaker 1: part of our country technically although they can't vote for president,
Speaker 1: I don't have representation, but giving money and then it's
Speaker 1: mismanaged within that local government. So it's not just about that,
Speaker 1: unfortunately in my perspective, and I'm hoping that's not too naive,
Speaker 1: but like I need to hear people saying more specific
Speaker 1: So him saying we did a good job, we gave
Speaker 1: the money actually doesn't cut it for me. No, it
Speaker 1: doesn't cut it. But I'm glad that the I'm glad
Speaker 1: that even from Biden. Yeah, framing of we owe these
Speaker 1: countries something like that, that's that's a positive step. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I do agree with that. Um, but that was like
Speaker 1: when I was watching that's that was like like the idea, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the idea that like, well there's just to be a
Speaker 1: new president. Yeah, and that was like but what if?
Speaker 1: But who who after? Yeah? Well who was the president
Speaker 1: after that? What? What would they what would they do?
Speaker 1: That whole section of the debate where like everyone was
Speaker 1: trying to explain to Joe Biden why that was a
Speaker 1: bad idea I mentioned during reminded me of like arguments
Speaker 1: I've had with elderly family members at like Thanksgiving, where
Speaker 1: like all of the kids will try to be explaining
Speaker 1: something like marijuana or like like like like why why
Speaker 1: a reformed that every young person is behind? Like is
Speaker 1: a good idea to like an elderly uncle being like
Speaker 1: but what about this poorly thought out point? What about this? Yeah? No, no, no,
Speaker 1: you just do this? Yeah. Then I mentioned during the debate,
Speaker 1: I don't know if anyone ever touched on it, but like,
Speaker 1: has anyone said that they will not only like legalize marijuana,
Speaker 1: but also release everyone that's in prison for it. Nobody
Speaker 1: said release everyone that's There was a lot of talk
Speaker 1: about legalizing marijuana, but nobody was like, but in addition
Speaker 1: to that, like the people that are that have been
Speaker 1: sucked over in their life for this, Okay, waiting for that,
Speaker 1: it'll it'll happen. Yeah, waiting for Beta will write in
Speaker 1: on the skateboard. And I was about to say, we
Speaker 1: haven't mentioned Beto things. We're all very close to being
Speaker 1: done with Beto forever. So I already am bro Like
Speaker 1: my god, at this point, I don't even want that,
Speaker 1: but yeah, sure Runter said it. Maybe you'll win. He's
Speaker 1: he he might have lost it by now. Yeah, just
Speaker 1: because his campaign was so bad and it exposed him
Speaker 1: as so weak, such a callow youth. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: I truly, well, not truly, but part of me was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I hope he uses his closing statement into exit the race.
Speaker 1: Yeah I was. I was like, I could just see
Speaker 1: that happening right now. Similarly, I was I'm waiting for
Speaker 1: anyone on stage because like obviously a lot of people
Speaker 1: they're up there, like I'm just here for like maybe
Speaker 1: I'll get a cabinet position. I'll probably write a book
Speaker 1: next year about this whole thing. Maryanne Williams, Oh, for sure,
Speaker 1: that's what she's doing. But like waiting for someone be like,
Speaker 1: if I'm elected, I will abolish the presidency. Like in
Speaker 1: the context of that conversation was like, well, if the
Speaker 1: president changes, then everything will be good. It's like, well, no,
Speaker 1: maybe we just shouldn't have that. Sure, you know, I
Speaker 1: weren't they debating having three presidents or something when the
Speaker 1: Founding Fathers were framing the constition. Yeah, I think that's
Speaker 1: actually yeah, too bad that didn't happen. And they also
Speaker 1: what suggested, like re writing a constitution every seventeen years.
Speaker 1: So yep, no, no, Cody, don't you know everything they
Speaker 1: wrote back then is the way it has to be forever. Okay,
Speaker 1: that makes sense. That's that's what our Founding fathers and
Speaker 1: envisioned when they created a system that specifically included ways
Speaker 1: to alter the Constitution. Yeah, they were hellas, Like the
Speaker 1: things that I know about time the world, the world
Speaker 1: stays the same, and so the rules should say the same.
Speaker 1: And the thing that I know about the Founding Fathers
Speaker 1: is that they all agreed a dent on everything that
Speaker 1: they did. Really, they were all really good people, all
Speaker 1: really good people with the same attitudes towards the rights
Speaker 1: of human beings and who counted as a huge Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: I love that about them. I love that. I like how, yeah,
Speaker 1: how the best idea for a government was thought up
Speaker 1: years ago. We're done was thought up by people who
Speaker 1: didn't know how to make sure the water they drank
Speaker 1: didn't make them poop themselves, and who statistically a significant
Speaker 1: amount of these guys died from pooping themselves to death,
Speaker 1: Like what, we're probably least. There were a lot of
Speaker 1: dumb questions and both nights and Bernie thinks this, why
Speaker 1: is that insane? An evening I jotted down tonight. I
Speaker 1: don't know why. In hindsight, maybe it's not as dumb,
Speaker 1: but I rolled my eyes, like who's the best candidate
Speaker 1: to heal the racial divide in America? Because I don't
Speaker 1: think that a candidate, a single candidate can do that.
Speaker 1: I don't like. I mean, it just was like such
Speaker 1: an inane like, let's actually talk about something more specific
Speaker 1: than than something. How are you going to fix it all?
Speaker 1: How are you going to fix two and fifty years
Speaker 1: of institutionalized races, and although I think Marianne has the
Speaker 1: best discussion of yeah yeah she reparations being taught, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what, and the environmental justice. I think you're like
Speaker 1: because my next question was like, this is done, But
Speaker 1: who do you guys think? I was like, um, so
Speaker 1: she was intersectional feminist and I'm not gonna you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think, like you know, Center Booker and Harris
Speaker 1: that like should have the responsibility to this. If I'm
Speaker 1: like the president, I'll explain to all the white women
Speaker 1: why they have privilege. I was like, are you saying
Speaker 1: that you should do it because you're well, she's saying
Speaker 1: like she doesn't want. Well, what she was actually saying,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, becau's what she's saying. She's being intersecual.
Speaker 1: She's saying, like white women, it's our job to like also, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I get it. But like just it seemed like framed
Speaker 1: like I'll do it. I'll talk to us like I
Speaker 1: got this. Ya had two or three really good answers
Speaker 1: prepared that she was really comfortable with that she delivered well,
Speaker 1: and everything else, even if the meat of what she
Speaker 1: was saying was good, was very awkward. I think just
Speaker 1: because she's not a good think on her feet. She's not.
Speaker 1: She's not like Corey Booker. I don't think I had
Speaker 1: everything tried out ahead of time. I think he's just
Speaker 1: got one of those kind of brains. Yeah, he's very
Speaker 1: good at really impressed me tonight. Yeah, Carla was very
Speaker 1: low energy to night. She seems very low energy. Harrison,
Speaker 1: low energy Harrison and sleepy, sleepy, sleepy Michael Bennett. He
Speaker 1: dead looks sleepy. What the fun? Why is Michael Benn?
Speaker 1: I want to spend a hot second talking about Steve Bullock,
Speaker 1: because that's the guy I was thinking, that's the fourth jobs.
Speaker 1: He is, you know, he is um young Bradley Whitford
Speaker 1: and get out like there's something everything about him, the
Speaker 1: way he talks, he's got his rows. He knew he
Speaker 1: made the fundraise. He was a full quarter of the
Speaker 1: candidates in these two nights were jeb Oh yeah, it's um.
Speaker 1: He was more entertaining than Jeb Um, but only because
Speaker 1: he's so laughful. He looks like I can see him
Speaker 1: in the eighties. I can see him being that little
Speaker 1: punk and his pull up his face, his face is
Speaker 1: Bullock and Bennett. Well, that's why Bullock. It sounds like
Speaker 1: a fucking cop drama that would have gotten canceled nine
Speaker 1: episodes in. Um, and we haven't talked about Warren at all.
Speaker 1: Here's the thing about a right, show me his picture,
Speaker 1: because I have forgotten that motherfucker's face, the bullet Bennett.
Speaker 1: I remember, Oh that's Bullet Bennett's the one who looks
Speaker 1: like a like a Charles Schultz Raw. Yeah, yeah, he
Speaker 1: looks like it. Then it looks like from kind of
Speaker 1: bunk pool. Then it looks like Charlie Brown all grown up. Um,
Speaker 1: it looks like Charlie Brown who never got over Snoopy's
Speaker 1: death and hasn't been able to pet another dog since
Speaker 1: Snoopy died. Well, yeah, all dogs go to heaven of course.
Speaker 1: Um yeah, we could lose. We could lose the JEBS.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't want to lose Insley. Um, which I think
Speaker 1: I think he's he was sort of lumped in with
Speaker 1: the JEBS first, get no, but I think he has
Speaker 1: a legitimately noble mission of shouting at about climate change.
Speaker 1: Man like he's actually like he's engaging to listen to,
Speaker 1: Like he's a good speaker. I wouldn't put him in
Speaker 1: the class of job for many reasons. I had some
Speaker 1: good stuff to say about white nationalism and the threats there,
Speaker 1: and which as the governor of Washington, he fucking off. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he should probably be a little familiar with that. I
Speaker 1: thought Mike Gravel got enough donors to be on the stage.
Speaker 1: I believe he did. What happened. I was going to say,
Speaker 1: like a bottle of rum happened. Mill just didn't pick
Speaker 1: up drink the teens. And I know it wouldn't be
Speaker 1: a cell phone ringing. It would be an old school
Speaker 1: pages the side of a desk, buzzing until it fell
Speaker 1: into the trap by pager. I well, I just want
Speaker 1: to paging the Pentagon papers. I was like, we didn't
Speaker 1: quite finish. I want to just bring up real quick
Speaker 1: something that I about selar rights stuff that Biden's whole
Speaker 1: defense of his civil rights record was basically like, well
Speaker 1: Obama hired me an Obama, Obama was black. It was literally,
Speaker 1: I have a black friend and he's the was shocking.
Speaker 1: I was like, that's what you have to say, Broma,
Speaker 1: So maybe he is the one that's best suited to
Speaker 1: heal our racially have a black friend, didn't someone say
Speaker 1: like Biden why do you always take credit for the
Speaker 1: Obama thing? And rejected that, like the Obama things you
Speaker 1: don't like. Someone said that, right, yeah, unless you said
Speaker 1: it as something that it's not. I believe it might
Speaker 1: have been. My guide is saying Corey Booker said it,
Speaker 1: but I don't know if it was. Mia is so smart.
Speaker 1: We haven't talked at all about Elizabeth Warren tonight. We
Speaker 1: also haven't talked about Booker's brother, carry Booker weird looking. Okay,
Speaker 1: now I've got a Google carry Book looks like a
Speaker 1: photo negative of his brother, and it's unsettling. Um, is
Speaker 1: he running for president? No? Okay, it's just oh that's
Speaker 1: to me, like, um, what is it Steph Curry and
Speaker 1: Steph Carry? You know, like Steph Curry's brother has the
Speaker 1: same name as him. Um, sorry, but yeah, Elizabeth Warren.
Speaker 1: But let's talk about Elizabeth Warren. She did great. She
Speaker 1: did great. She always does great, you guys, very earnest
Speaker 1: in coachingly melted. She's also so good for swooning right now,
Speaker 1: her and Bernie just like I can saying things that
Speaker 1: were accurate. I mean, like, that was so nice to see.
Speaker 1: I know people are like worried about like if you
Speaker 1: go too far left, and I'm honor with the independence,
Speaker 1: I really like fascist, Like, are you gonna tell me
Speaker 1: we can't elect Elizabeth Warren, who in any sane country
Speaker 1: would be like a slightly left of center Yes, yeah, yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's it's nonsense, and the way it's framed is very,
Speaker 1: very frustrating. But they're just so good together. Yeah. I
Speaker 1: want to see them run a presidential campaign, and I
Speaker 1: don't care who's in whose VP. Bernie would be VP.
Speaker 1: I think I think Bernie would definitely choose her as
Speaker 1: his VP. I don't know if Elieth Warren would pick him.
Speaker 1: I think she would probably be pressured by the Democratic
Speaker 1: Party to pick somebody else. I want Warren Bernie. I'm
Speaker 1: I'm fine either way as long as long as one
Speaker 1: of them is the presidential nominee. Like, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I'd be fought with Castro as a presidential nominee and
Speaker 1: fucking Sanders or Warren as his VP. Two Like maybe
Speaker 1: that's the smarter play, oh for me would be I
Speaker 1: could see Astro being VP. I don't see him as president.
Speaker 1: I think he might be a fucking hell of a
Speaker 1: barn stormer. I don't know that he's gotten the chance
Speaker 1: to like do that yet. Um, but I think he
Speaker 1: might have the potential to run that kind of a campaign.
Speaker 1: And even though he's more of a moderate, I don't
Speaker 1: know like that. That's not my suggestion or hope, but
Speaker 1: I could see him being a really solid presidential king.
Speaker 1: I get behind Castro for sure. Um, I do. He
Speaker 1: does speak well. And again I well, I said this
Speaker 1: to you guys are there. I don't want to vote for.
Speaker 1: I don't want Kamala to be the president. Obviously I was,
Speaker 1: but I do really don't want. I do think it
Speaker 1: would be so fun to see her prosecute Donald Trump
Speaker 1: on a debate, to see her shouting at him at
Speaker 1: a bus station when they're both like trapped on a
Speaker 1: fil would yeah, and somebody films it on a cell
Speaker 1: phone like that? That's what I want, Or I guess,
Speaker 1: get someone in there that brings him in front of
Speaker 1: Congress as she question him in that forum. That's what
Speaker 1: you want to see. You want to see the impeachment, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I don't want to see her stopped after three minutes.
Speaker 1: I want to see her be allowed to do it
Speaker 1: very good at a job that I wish didn't exist,
Speaker 1: and that shouldn't be the president. Yeah, yeah, that shouldn't
Speaker 1: be the pipeline, the prosecutor to president pipeline. Well, are
Speaker 1: there any other one of the things that you guys
Speaker 1: did you want to talk about your takeaways from the
Speaker 1: last couple of nights, Which one is Klobuchar. She's the
Speaker 1: one that either looks like your mom's friend who was
Speaker 1: trying to be cool but you didn't really want to
Speaker 1: be around, or like maybe your freshman English teacher brown
Speaker 1: here description she's a little too young to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: brand does description, but English teachers. She she reminds me
Speaker 1: of a senior ap English teacher, right. She she is
Speaker 1: the person who would like walk you through the scarlet
Speaker 1: letter and then you're and when you don't turn something
Speaker 1: in on time, she'd be like, I'm just so disappointed
Speaker 1: in you, and you'd feel bad, and you would feel
Speaker 1: but also that I still wouldn't read Nathaniel Hawthorne. Now
Speaker 1: you wouldn't. And then you see her over summer at
Speaker 1: like a liquor store and you're like, fuck, that's sad,
Speaker 1: and she's just buying one enormous bottle of vodka. Yeah, oh,
Speaker 1: I was going to say like rose, but sure vodka. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: I think she's the hard drinking kind of English teacher
Speaker 1: at night. Put it played in the coconut and makes
Speaker 1: it all up. And now you know it was written
Speaker 1: about Kristen gillibrand presidential nominee. Um real quick to speak.
Speaker 1: You mentioned we're mentioning teachers talking about teachers, and I
Speaker 1: don't want to pass this by because I she she
Speaker 1: said it in passing during the bait was with Warren
Speaker 1: was talking about how um, she always wanted to be
Speaker 1: a teacher. Um, and I just I just want only
Speaker 1: teachers and nurses to be yeah, the country, like teachers,
Speaker 1: nurses and er doctors. Yeah they're just like I think
Speaker 1: a lot of R doctors have a drug problem. That's fine,
Speaker 1: the f d R was drunk the whole of World
Speaker 1: War Two. You know. She obviously worked with like special
Speaker 1: needs kids and stuff. But I just want teachers to
Speaker 1: run for president and to be president. And that's like
Speaker 1: you hear that, teachers that are listening. It's one of
Speaker 1: the reasons I really really like her is because she
Speaker 1: has that vibe and she has that drive, and that's
Speaker 1: where a lot of her well, her compassion comes from.
Speaker 1: And a lot of also her effectiveness because teachers know
Speaker 1: how to explain things, and so she can make a
Speaker 1: case and like make very good. They know how to
Speaker 1: explain things, and then they habitually look at things from
Speaker 1: other people's perspective. Uh, not because they consider every perspective
Speaker 1: equally valid, but because they're trying to understand where those
Speaker 1: people are coming from in order to win fluid. They
Speaker 1: know how to listen to actually listen. Yeah, um uh,
Speaker 1: And I think she's using those skills really well. And
Speaker 1: I just had another thought that it's gone, it's lost.
Speaker 1: I've had too much for us. So we haven't talked
Speaker 1: about Oh yeah, we didn't talk about him. He had
Speaker 1: a good moment, but I forgot what it was because
Speaker 1: I haven't slept in days. Uh. It wasn't the one
Speaker 1: where he said you want to combat veteran grilling. You
Speaker 1: don't come on a few moments like that from a
Speaker 1: bunch of different candidates who were like, if you nominate me,
Speaker 1: I can say this to Donald Trump on the debate stage,
Speaker 1: like anyone can say that to him. You don't need
Speaker 1: to be like I was in people a day on
Speaker 1: Twitter say that to him. It's never made. It's like
Speaker 1: everybody's like, I need to have that came with one
Speaker 1: prepared sound bite of what they would say to Donald Trump,
Speaker 1: just to remind everybody that we're not Donald Trump. We
Speaker 1: know that. Oh deals with the warrant thing. She also
Speaker 1: values children so much, and like it's why one of
Speaker 1: her main things is like the childcare and like guaranteed
Speaker 1: childcare and and precane all that stuff. And it's the
Speaker 1: kind of thing where it's like, any of course, if you,
Speaker 1: if you treat every child equally and give every single
Speaker 1: child the opportunity that they need to thrive, then your
Speaker 1: society in general will be so much better a few
Speaker 1: years later because of what you've done for every single child.
Speaker 1: And she understands that and I love her for it. Yes,
Speaker 1: But anyway, Pete, Oh, you know what, Actually this I
Speaker 1: just remembered. The worst answer I think of the debates
Speaker 1: was actually one of castros Um, And because he's a
Speaker 1: smooth talker, it kind of slid past. No one hit
Speaker 1: him on it. But it was when he was talking
Speaker 1: about Flint and he was like, when I was the
Speaker 1: director of Health and Human Services or when I was
Speaker 1: the director of hut UM, I uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: we dealt with that, and then he kind of pivots
Speaker 1: to the fact that like it's still not dealt with,
Speaker 1: but like he didn't direct like it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: that that that was on you, like and then I
Speaker 1: was I was also there six weeks ago. I was like,
Speaker 1: and was it good? Why don't you fill in the blanks?
Speaker 1: What did you do? What happened there? There's a lot
Speaker 1: of glossing over yea. It was he's very like, he's
Speaker 1: very smooth, but it was also like, yeah, you really
Speaker 1: are someone I should be angry at over that. Last night,
Speaker 1: the question about Flint was that it's still a problem.
Speaker 1: Is that it's still fucked up and you didn't do
Speaker 1: your job. Julian, It's frustrating how many people stepped sidestep
Speaker 1: to questions and just notch it. And there's no moderators
Speaker 1: never never press anybody ever. So often they would press
Speaker 1: somebody on something, but again the moderators aren't journalists, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: but that's what you want. Ye can even get an
Speaker 1: answer and be like, well, actually, as a journalist, I'm
Speaker 1: aware that you're lying or like that you're not including
Speaker 1: the full context or something. Everybody should have like a big,
Speaker 1: long half hour chunk of time with a journalist and
Speaker 1: the journalist the journalist should get to throw two tomatoes
Speaker 1: like the hard green ones. Yeah, every time they lie,
Speaker 1: whenever they choose. That'd be so satisfying. Politics be so
Speaker 1: much better we have. He's he's a contender. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a contender in a way. I think that he's
Speaker 1: going to end up governor. Three of us are not
Speaker 1: particularly enthralled by him. I guess the reason I keep
Speaker 1: bringing him up is that I have a couple of
Speaker 1: friends who are not normally very politically engaged, who find
Speaker 1: him incredibly charismatic and inspiring. And I don't get that either.
Speaker 1: But I know that he has had an impact on
Speaker 1: some people and that his rhetoric is appreciated by them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't connect with that, but I do
Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, I don't have strong feelings about the
Speaker 1: guy one way or the other. I think he seems
Speaker 1: lovely that I'd love to have him as a friend,
Speaker 1: but he's not quite my politics. Yea, I guess the
Speaker 1: vibe I get great Mayor. Yeah, Also, mayor is kind
Speaker 1: of a low rung job. It is wild to jump
Speaker 1: from that governor makes sense. Yeah, I can't remember what
Speaker 1: it was. He did have a couple of moments last
Speaker 1: night that were good, um, but I can't remember what
Speaker 1: they were specifically, And you think that I'd have written
Speaker 1: it down, but I didn't. I believe he again was
Speaker 1: confronted with talking about, you know, racial issues during the
Speaker 1: police cos and things like that. He's not great at
Speaker 1: actually like addressing it, not even just head on, but
Speaker 1: in general at all. He's sort of side steps it
Speaker 1: a lot, and it's like, you know, we all we
Speaker 1: got problems. Well, that reminds me to talk about de
Speaker 1: Blasio in that moment that way. The protesters, Yeah, yeah, yeah, chanting.
Speaker 1: I heard that during during Biden. I believe they were
Speaker 1: chanting the like three million, three million deportations. What they
Speaker 1: were chanting for Biden, uh, for de Blasio and also
Speaker 1: Booker for some reason was a fire Pentaleo. Yeah, they
Speaker 1: started chanting that during but they started chanting that during Bookers.
Speaker 1: They well they the first time you could hear it
Speaker 1: faintly was and then they really went a whole hog
Speaker 1: for Booker for some reason, but then kept saying Eric
Speaker 1: Gardner really bothered me, like you've got you've got to
Speaker 1: have that name written in front of you man and
Speaker 1: a city burned, because like, how can you not have
Speaker 1: that down? Yeah, that's nuts, um, But what was the
Speaker 1: Blasio's response to that? It was basically like, oh, it's
Speaker 1: the Justice depart federal the Federal Justice Department got in
Speaker 1: his way or like was slowing it down. He didn't answer,
Speaker 1: He didn't answer why isn't he But I believe it
Speaker 1: was Gillibrand who said I would have fired that cop,
Speaker 1: And I like, I like that straightforward. Those are I mean,
Speaker 1: those are usually the best answers, Like even when um,
Speaker 1: to Joe Biden's credit, Uh, I forget what the exact
Speaker 1: question was. If it was Insley, I think asking about it, um,
Speaker 1: and then Joe was like yes, and then then they're like,
Speaker 1: I didn't Yes, it was getting rid of a stop
Speaker 1: these coal Um ye yes, yeah, great. Those are the
Speaker 1: like And that's what I love about Insley being up there.
Speaker 1: He just made Joe Biden commit on stage in front
Speaker 1: of everybody that that's something he would do. Yeah. I think,
Speaker 1: um like justified his run for president with that moment.
Speaker 1: Is nothing else. Who do you want to see gone
Speaker 1: before the next debate Williamson Yang, Yeah, Beto, I don't mind.
Speaker 1: So like I don't know, it's it's it's frustrating because
Speaker 1: like the Williamson's and like Yang, the things they're talking about,
Speaker 1: I think our issues that are important to talk about,
Speaker 1: and if they're not there, no one is. I think
Speaker 1: we've gotten all we can get out of them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the other toxicity. And then it's like, Okay, at
Speaker 1: this point, we're risking getting into something dangerous happening. We're
Speaker 1: going to get the political equivalent of toxic shock syndrome
Speaker 1: if we let them there. So like, here's a pitch though,
Speaker 1: So like those are these are people who are like
Speaker 1: every time you speak, you're saying something that's important that
Speaker 1: people need to hear. So what if they moderate want
Speaker 1: of the debates instead. That's a cool idea. If the
Speaker 1: people that aren't in the so like Williamson, will be
Speaker 1: a moderate and Yang a moderate and they can bring
Speaker 1: up these topics that are important and sort of engage
Speaker 1: with the act like the candidates. I'm imagining Williamson grilling
Speaker 1: Joe Biden on the medicinal uses of crystals. Oh god,
Speaker 1: that'd be great for everybody. What a wholesome time. That
Speaker 1: would be. What a bad time for him, that would be.
Speaker 1: So we've we've qualified a number of candidates as Jeb's
Speaker 1: and I think we're all in agreement that Beto is
Speaker 1: not a Jeb, but is on the hierarchy of candidates.
Speaker 1: Is Beto above a Jeb or below a Jeb based
Speaker 1: on his inherent worth as as a candidate? Do we
Speaker 1: do we in our heads qualify him as above sub
Speaker 1: Jeb or or I think I think he's subjects. I
Speaker 1: think he's a Jeb. Yeah, I'm so I am so
Speaker 1: thrilled that we all agree on this that there's not
Speaker 1: even any tension here. Subjeb no exclamation point after beato.
Speaker 1: Subjeb is such a funny way to describe some real
Speaker 1: I hope we can turn Jeb's name into like a
Speaker 1: bye word for a lame politics. Oh we are, it's
Speaker 1: already taken off. Yeah, by the time this a we've
Speaker 1: already got, We've already got merch in the pipeline. He
Speaker 1: really jebbed it. Yeah, alright, guys, thank you so much
Speaker 1: for joining us, listening to us talk. You know what,
Speaker 1: you know, that's what podcasts are. Last last time, I gave.
Speaker 1: Last time, I gave the wrong email addresses and I
Speaker 1: had to get two email addresses. But here's where we're
Speaker 1: setting you. I know I biffed it, biden it. It's
Speaker 1: worst year tips at gmail dot com? Is that better
Speaker 1: or worse than a bunch of jebs bidening around the
Speaker 1: rails have gone off of this? Where's your tips at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com if you want to send us questions
Speaker 1: or thoughts for our upcoming show, which we're definitely doing.
Speaker 1: It's true once we get some sleep, and remember, be
Speaker 1: a jeb, not a beato. At least at least be
Speaker 1: a jet. Alright, no one wants to be a jet
Speaker 1: at least please be a jef. You don't need No
Speaker 1: patos are