WEBVTT - Surviving Jeffrey Epstein feat. Lisa Phillips 0:00:00.120 --> 0:00:03.120 Atlanta. Guess what the good Moms are coming to your 0:00:03.200 --> 0:00:06.000 city on April twenty six. We're pulling up at the 0:00:06.080 --> 0:00:08.879 Black Effect Podcast Festival. 0:00:09.119 --> 0:00:11.319 That's right, We'll be hitting the stage with other hot 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:15.160 podcasts like R and B, Money, Trap Nerds, Naked Sports, 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:16.480 and Sarah Jakes. 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:18.640 And if you've ever been to a Good Mom's Bad 0:00:18.720 --> 0:00:22.680 Choices show, you know it gets real, real bad and 0:00:22.720 --> 0:00:25.040 we have some special guests. So I'm so excited to 0:00:25.079 --> 0:00:27.600 meet our Atlanta tribe. 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It's very informative, it's very honest, 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:58.160 and hopefully helpful. 0:00:58.560 --> 0:01:01.840 Once upon a time was a good old traditional housewife. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.959 Cod She cleaned and cared for her children and the 0:01:05.000 --> 0:01:08.039 man of the house, and of course she didn't talk back. 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.800 She was both obeat, hint and soft by nature. She 0:01:10.959 --> 0:01:13.880 was a good woman who always made good choice. 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.400 We're good Mom's bad choices too, single mom who said 0:01:18.440 --> 0:01:21.039 fuck the patriarchy, shared all their bad choices and found 0:01:21.040 --> 0:01:23.039 out they were so bad after all, we're experts. 0:01:23.080 --> 0:01:24.960 Overshares and your new besties. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:26.440 Sit back and enjoy the ride. 0:01:27.160 --> 0:01:27.520 I can. 0:01:30.920 --> 0:01:33.520 Welcome back to good Mom's bad choices. I'm Erica and 0:01:33.560 --> 0:01:39.120 I'm Mila. Happy Wednesday, Happy hump Day, y'all. How you doing, 0:01:39.520 --> 0:01:43.360 I'm pretty good. You look cute. Thanks, We're giving Tantrica 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.319 boss bitch. You know I had a client today. Did 0:01:46.319 --> 0:01:48.000 you wear this singer? Client? No? 0:01:48.160 --> 0:01:51.600 But feeling the energy because I put this on. I'm like, yeah, 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:54.560 I'm gonna put a blazer on. Yeah, I'm having a 0:01:54.560 --> 0:01:58.640 good week. I'm just you know, seasons are switching. I 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:00.600 had a good weekend with Luna. This weekend, we went 0:02:00.600 --> 0:02:02.600 to the We went to Alvin Ailey Ballet. It was 0:02:02.600 --> 0:02:03.160 her first time. 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:06.000 Yeah, I saw. I'm so mad. I like, when I 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:08.080 was looking online the tickets were so expensive they probably 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:09.600 didn't sell out and so we could just walk in. 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:11.880 No, what happened is I bought them online. I was 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:13.600 going I was gonna drop off to my mom because 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.240 I wanted her to experience it. And then I was like, 0:02:15.280 --> 0:02:17.320 let me just fucking go. And I found a ticket. 0:02:17.400 --> 0:02:18.880 It was it was too good to be true. It 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:22.000 was Orchestra for sixty eight dollars. And then I got 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:25.040 there and they're like, oh, stub Hub's been scamming people 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.160 all day, so we've been giving. We've been selling tickets 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:28.880 for twenty five dollars. So I'm like, she's like, you 0:02:28.880 --> 0:02:31.679 can just you can like dispute it, and I was like, fine, 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:33.920 I'll just buy the ticket twenty five dollars though, but 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.120 it was on the balcony. I saw everything as beautiful. 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:37.079 I was tired as fuck. 0:02:37.080 --> 0:02:37.240 Though. 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:39.600 We left like a park birthday party. They drove two 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:41.360 hours to get to. Then I went to the ballet. 0:02:41.680 --> 0:02:44.080 But at the end we saw Angela Bassett and my 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:45.799 mom was like, and then I was like, and then 0:02:45.800 --> 0:02:48.960 she was like, and then we were all like, and 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:52.359 then here goes Linda. That's the girl from Wakanda. I 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:56.520 was like, girl, that's Tina Turner. I was like, look 0:02:56.560 --> 0:02:58.760 at the fucking age difference up in here talking about 0:02:58.760 --> 0:02:59.959 that's the lady from Wakanda. 0:03:00.040 --> 0:03:03.239 I mean, well, that's the beauty of her career. It's 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:06.839 spanned so many fucking years. She's been so many different. 0:03:06.639 --> 0:03:10.320 Characters, right, we're all star striking, like meaningful. 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:12.880 To different people at different stages in their life. Yeah, 0:03:12.919 --> 0:03:13.840 that was like pretty. 0:03:14.480 --> 0:03:17.560 I felt like I saw a black royalty. You did, 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:19.760 so that was like walt. Yeah, me and my mom 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:21.880 and Luna were all hype. 0:03:21.919 --> 0:03:22.920 So it was really cute. 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.720 And then yesterday we watched Mawana too, which wasn't as 0:03:27.720 --> 0:03:31.200 good because it's not as you know, Lynna Mmanuel Miranda 0:03:31.200 --> 0:03:32.920 didn't do the music. I only know that because Linda 0:03:32.960 --> 0:03:37.560 told me. And and then we rode eight mile eight 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:39.400 mile bike ride eight miles. 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.080 You and Luna, where the fuck did you go? Didn't 0:03:42.120 --> 0:03:48.120 Elle's house? So you drove, You rode there and rode back. Wow, 0:03:48.280 --> 0:03:50.360 it wasn't that bad. She was a bit proud of her. Yeah, 0:03:50.520 --> 0:03:51.800 she was like it's hot. 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:53.320 I was like, it's gonna get hotter, so you might 0:03:53.320 --> 0:03:53.640 as well. 0:03:54.240 --> 0:03:55.839 Did she like stop for waters and ice. 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.480 We stopped for one water and you know, I pumped 0:03:58.480 --> 0:04:00.920 her tire, poor thing. I think she was trying really hard, 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:03.120 but the fucking tire was a little flat. So I 0:04:03.160 --> 0:04:04.920 was like, I was like, is that better. She's like, yeah, 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:05.440 much better. 0:04:05.480 --> 0:04:09.440 I'm like, canm. I'm happy obstacles, You're like, get it together. 0:04:11.000 --> 0:04:13.600 Her first fucking ten mile ride. 0:04:13.200 --> 0:04:14.960 She's had a long one before. We were like in 0:04:15.000 --> 0:04:16.840 the street, like in the bike lane too. I'm like 0:04:17.000 --> 0:04:18.960 looking behind me, like, please, God, nothing happened to her. 0:04:19.160 --> 0:04:21.560 I'm fucking biking her eight miles. 0:04:21.800 --> 0:04:23.000 Oh my god. It was fun. 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:23.560 We had a good time. 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:26.919 Then we went to dinner and she told me secrets 0:04:26.920 --> 0:04:29.640 from her school and I was like, perfect group, best friends, 0:04:29.680 --> 0:04:30.359 tell me everything. 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:32.320 So we had a good We had a good weekend, 0:04:32.400 --> 0:04:36.080 so I'm happy. That's cool. How was your weekend? It 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:38.039 was good. We saw Cleo Soul so that was great. 0:04:38.040 --> 0:04:39.680 Oh yeah, we did that too. I had the weekend 0:04:39.680 --> 0:04:41.480 of the arts. Yeah that was great. 0:04:41.680 --> 0:04:44.479 And then what did I do the day after that 0:04:45.000 --> 0:04:47.120 birthday party? The birthday party? I drove two hours the 0:04:47.160 --> 0:04:49.839 birthday party, shout out to Nearland, Happy birthday, Julia, We 0:04:49.920 --> 0:04:52.520 love you. I lived for as fuck, so everywhere I 0:04:52.560 --> 0:04:55.800 go is going to be that. And then yesterday I 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:57.840 did something that I've been wanting to do and I'm 0:04:58.120 --> 0:05:00.360 happy to share that I finally did it. Me talk 0:05:00.400 --> 0:05:04.080 about this on our episode with Nicole Russell generational silence 0:05:04.720 --> 0:05:08.680 about interviewing my grandmother and my great aunt and my mom, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:11.920 and so I finally did it. How was it? It 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:15.719 was really good. I'm very drained today though, like I 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:18.520 didn't I know, like I know that like I take 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:20.719 on people take on energy. But I was literally sitting 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:22.760 on the floor in the middle of all of them 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.000 as they're sharing and talking, and it was good. My 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.000 grandmother really came like I asked her, like when I started, 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:30.440 I opened up the space and was like, oh, this 0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:33.360 is a safe space. Please just be as honest as 0:05:33.360 --> 0:05:35.520 you can. And she was. She was very, very honest. 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.480 She shared things with me that I've never heard her 0:05:37.480 --> 0:05:40.920 say before, and it was just interesting, Like I had 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:42.960 I had spoken about this the other day that I 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.080 listened to this episode with mel Robbins and doctor Gabor 0:05:46.160 --> 0:05:50.160 and he was talking about epigenetics and all the childhood trauma, 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.679 and he was also talking about how siblings have different 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:56.080 experiences in the same household and a lot of times 0:05:56.080 --> 0:05:58.479 siblings are kind of discarded and being like, oh, yeah, 0:05:58.520 --> 0:06:01.320 like I don't you were raised by the same parents, 0:06:01.360 --> 0:06:04.039 Like what the fuck are you talking about? And this 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:08.400 was a prime example of being in the same household. Obviously, 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:11.119 my grandmother and my great aunt are nine years apart, 0:06:11.240 --> 0:06:14.719 so they definitely got differentis of they got different parents, 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:19.839 they had different experiences, and it was challenging for my aunt, 0:06:19.880 --> 0:06:22.080 who was younger than my grandmother, to hear my grandmother 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:24.680 talk about their father because that's not the experience that 0:06:24.720 --> 0:06:27.280 she had with her father. My grandmother had a very 0:06:27.320 --> 0:06:31.480 traumatic childhood with her dad, and my great aunt had 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.240 a really great experience with her dad. So interesting, So 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:37.560 I saw her getting emotional and like, you know, she said, 0:06:37.600 --> 0:06:39.120 like I don't want to sit here and defend him 0:06:39.160 --> 0:06:41.440 because I can't because that's not my experience. All I 0:06:41.480 --> 0:06:43.200 can say is like it breaks my heart that you've 0:06:43.640 --> 0:06:47.479 that you had that experience and that wasn't my experience. 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:50.440 But I do feel like this like urge to defend him, 0:06:50.520 --> 0:06:54.120 but I'm not going to. So it was it got heavy, 0:06:54.360 --> 0:06:57.479 It got heavy, and I realized I got to do more. 0:06:57.600 --> 0:06:59.360 Like there was we were sat there for three hours. 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.000 It was three hours and still and still like I 0:07:02.040 --> 0:07:03.800 feel like I got to like I didn't even get 0:07:03.839 --> 0:07:06.400 to like the like to meet of it. You know. 0:07:06.600 --> 0:07:08.520 It was like I was really trying to document their 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:13.760 journey from like New Mexico, Mexico to California, and like 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:17.600 also weave in like what was going on during those times. 0:07:17.800 --> 0:07:20.240 And I just I know now that like I need 0:07:20.280 --> 0:07:22.400 to sit with my grandmother one on one too and 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:24.160 talk to her, because it's a little bit different when 0:07:24.160 --> 0:07:27.000 you're sitting in front of your daughter and everybody's there. 0:07:27.200 --> 0:07:30.280 So I feel really inspired to continue the conversation. My 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:35.080 grandmother was like, please don't share this on the TV screens. No, Graham, 0:07:35.240 --> 0:07:37.440 not the TV on the TV screen does She's like, 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:42.320 this is yesterday's conversation. Was so stupid and silly. Say that, yeah, 0:07:42.400 --> 0:07:43.720 it's so stupid. I don't know why you want to 0:07:43.720 --> 0:07:45.880 know any of that stuff, but just don't share it 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:47.920 on the TV screens, okay. And I was like, I'm 0:07:47.920 --> 0:07:50.920 not going to share it, Tony. I'll only share it 0:07:50.920 --> 0:07:52.960 with your permission. And I don't really have a desire 0:07:53.000 --> 0:07:55.840 to share it. I really just did this for my family. Yeah. 0:07:56.080 --> 0:07:58.840 So anyway, this morning I woke up. I was bitch. 0:07:58.880 --> 0:08:00.160 I was so tired. I tried to wake up like 0:08:00.200 --> 0:08:03.360 four times and I could not. So this morning I 0:08:03.400 --> 0:08:05.080 finally got to the shower I saged. I was like, 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:07.280 maybe I need a sage something mother fucking energy off 0:08:07.280 --> 0:08:10.680 of me. That didn't work, but I feel I'm here, 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:14.360 I'm sitting in our in our seat, and I feel better. 0:08:14.440 --> 0:08:15.880 At least you did it. I did it. 0:08:15.880 --> 0:08:18.160 It's recorded, you can always reference it back. You can 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.120 keep doing it and make it easier the second time. 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:21.040 Yeah, I have. 0:08:21.040 --> 0:08:22.640 One great aunt left. I'm like, do I need to 0:08:22.680 --> 0:08:24.920 go to Philly and like this one she's Jehovah. I 0:08:24.920 --> 0:08:26.560 don't know how open she's going to be. I feel 0:08:26.560 --> 0:08:27.480 like all the Jehovah's are cool. 0:08:27.520 --> 0:08:29.800 I'd be surprised how much people are waiting to share. 0:08:29.960 --> 0:08:33.120 Okay, thanks, Yeah, so now I feel I didn't even 0:08:33.160 --> 0:08:35.680 think about her as an option, but she's like my 0:08:35.760 --> 0:08:39.600 last oldest living relative. So I have to so thank 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.920 you for the inspiration and I'm glad that you did it. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:46.599 Yeah, it's important. Well anyway, you guys, we have a 0:08:46.600 --> 0:08:49.600 special guest here today. I'm really excited because this month, 0:08:49.640 --> 0:08:52.760 if you didn't know, a sexual assault awareness and prevention month. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.400 And I met this beautiful woman that say next to 0:08:56.480 --> 0:09:01.080 me a few years ago at the Model Experience. Shout 0:09:01.080 --> 0:09:03.320 out to Ashley Runway and I was hosting a panel 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.520 and we connected and I've been watching her journey over 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:08.920 the last six months and I'm so inspired by you. 0:09:09.600 --> 0:09:11.720 So I want to welcome to the show. Lisa J. Phillips, 0:09:11.720 --> 0:09:15.080 who is the host of From now On podcast, which 0:09:15.120 --> 0:09:20.240 is a podcast that shares the shares people that have 0:09:20.320 --> 0:09:24.480 been victims of sexual assault within the entertainment industry and 0:09:24.520 --> 0:09:29.360 the arts and the creator in film, TV, sports, Welcome 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:29.840 to the show. 0:09:30.080 --> 0:09:30.920 Thank you so much. 0:09:31.120 --> 0:09:32.200 Yeah, thank you for coming. 0:09:32.240 --> 0:09:33.199 Super excited to be here. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:38.880 So I was super inspired by just the work that 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:41.679 you've been doing. It's been I've been seeing all the 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.679 clips on Instagram and you're really going there, like with 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:48.120 a lot of with your story, which we'll get into, 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.199 and just all the people that are sharing and speaking 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:55.960 out about their these horrible experiences that they've had, and 0:09:56.000 --> 0:09:59.760 I think that so many women and people have not 0:09:59.840 --> 0:10:03.240 just in the entertainment industry, but just in the wind 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:07.160 just living and existing. So yeah, can you give us 0:10:07.200 --> 0:10:09.400 like a little bit of insight and to like your 0:10:09.480 --> 0:10:12.240 journey to the podcast. I know that you had a 0:10:12.240 --> 0:10:16.400 whole career before being a podcaster as a model and 0:10:17.080 --> 0:10:20.439 an agent. I think or is that what you're doing. Okay, 0:10:21.080 --> 0:10:23.200 so yeah, maybe tell us a little bit about your 0:10:23.240 --> 0:10:26.439 journey into your podcast. 0:10:27.480 --> 0:10:29.640 Well you just said it. You were like, you know, 0:10:30.120 --> 0:10:32.560 people just want to share. You'd be surprised of how 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:34.480 much people want to share when she was talking about 0:10:34.480 --> 0:10:39.040 your grandmother. And that's what I found, is that people 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:42.560 connect over sharing those stories. And so, like you said, 0:10:42.559 --> 0:10:44.800 I was in the fashion business since I was a teenager, 0:10:45.240 --> 0:10:47.760 travel all around the world and loved it, and I 0:10:47.760 --> 0:10:50.480 felt like I built myself up to a certain level 0:10:50.840 --> 0:10:52.719 as an agent and then a manager and opened my 0:10:52.760 --> 0:10:55.600 own business and all that stuff, and I'm just like, 0:10:56.120 --> 0:10:58.520 I just want to do something that just means something 0:10:58.640 --> 0:11:02.520 that's something that his career ageous and brave, and just 0:11:02.520 --> 0:11:04.520 something where I can just step out of this person 0:11:04.520 --> 0:11:07.120 who I've been and just become somebody a lot more 0:11:07.160 --> 0:11:09.960 powerful because I knew it was in me and I 0:11:09.960 --> 0:11:12.960 had this story that I've been telling little bits by bits, 0:11:14.600 --> 0:11:16.640 and then everyone's doing podcasting now, so I was like, 0:11:16.679 --> 0:11:18.120 I just want to do a podcast. That's the way 0:11:18.120 --> 0:11:21.040 I want to start sharing my story. But I felt 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:25.319 like I needed to share in a way that felt 0:11:25.320 --> 0:11:29.000 comfortable and I felt supported with another survivor to share 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:32.960 as well. So I started this podcast where it's called Fromenolon, 0:11:33.600 --> 0:11:38.680 where I share my story, but I also open up conversations, 0:11:39.000 --> 0:11:43.400 deeper conversations about other survivors abuse and assaults that have 0:11:43.440 --> 0:11:47.679 happened to them on their way of building their careers 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:51.880 or you know, ambitious women, they come up against powerful 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:56.040 men and a lot of times, you know, we are 0:11:56.040 --> 0:12:01.280 in situations where it's compromising and and you know, assaults 0:12:01.280 --> 0:12:03.120 happen or abuse and then. 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:08.120 Feel powerless and just and so for our audience, so 0:12:08.160 --> 0:12:11.679 that you guys know Lisa, she is a survivor of 0:12:11.840 --> 0:12:17.840 Jeffrey Epstein. And you know, Jeffrey committed suicide in twenty nineteen, 0:12:18.200 --> 0:12:21.200 I think in suicide or whatever. Yeah, suicide is that 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:22.960 is Do you not believe that he committed suicide? 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:27.120 You believe somebody killed him in prison? 0:12:27.600 --> 0:12:30.240 Yeah, I mean that's what I believe. Yeah, sure, just 0:12:30.280 --> 0:12:30.760 what I think. 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:33.680 I mean, he probably had a lot of people's secrets 0:12:33.760 --> 0:12:37.360 on his oh right, right on his Yeah. 0:12:36.840 --> 0:12:38.920 And there was the whole basis of Jeffrey was that 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.920 he was recording everything on powerful people, so you knew 0:12:42.920 --> 0:12:43.640 everyone's secrets. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.080 What a cynical little crazy fuck? 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.640 How did it all start? Like I because I think 0:12:50.920 --> 0:12:54.480 some people think like it's sexual assault is like one way. 0:12:54.679 --> 0:12:58.520 I know, it's very layered and it's nuanced. So how 0:12:58.559 --> 0:13:03.800 what was your journey into this, this situation with Jeffrey Epstein. 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:06.480 Well, I just think like nowadays, like people are learning 0:13:06.480 --> 0:13:09.679 about assault because everyone's talking about it on a podcasts 0:13:09.760 --> 0:13:12.360 or being educated more so. I mean we're talking about 0:13:12.360 --> 0:13:15.000 twenty years ago now, you know when this happened. So 0:13:15.800 --> 0:13:18.400 I didn't know anything about this type of abuse or 0:13:18.440 --> 0:13:21.520 even what to look out for. I was naive and 0:13:21.559 --> 0:13:23.360 just thought everyone was so I want to help you out. 0:13:23.400 --> 0:13:26.160 Of course they want to help me out, and I 0:13:26.240 --> 0:13:30.720 just didn't know. You know, when you're younger, who do 0:13:30.760 --> 0:13:31.240 you trust? 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:34.439 You can trust? Yeah? And then you meet like a wealthy, 0:13:34.520 --> 0:13:39.720 powerful man who's charming and nice and listens and thoughtful. 0:13:39.880 --> 0:13:42.319 And I think that's like a lot of the grooming 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:44.640 that happens where it's confusing for people, where they're like, wait, 0:13:45.440 --> 0:13:48.720 did I participate in this? Like is it my fault? 0:13:49.440 --> 0:13:51.920 Like I think I was reading I was reading some 0:13:51.960 --> 0:13:56.439 stats on sexual assault and I was actually fucking astonished. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:57.400 Oh yeah, you'll be shocked. 0:13:57.400 --> 0:13:59.080 And I want to just read through some of this 0:13:59.120 --> 0:14:02.920 stuff for our audience before we get into this, because 0:14:03.480 --> 0:14:06.480 I had no idea some of these stats. One in 0:14:06.559 --> 0:14:09.120 five women and one in seventy one men will be 0:14:09.200 --> 0:14:10.600 raped at some point in their lives. 0:14:10.840 --> 0:14:15.080 One in five compared to one in seventy WHOA, Yeah. 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.880 Eighty one percent of women and forty three percent of 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.120 men report experiencing some sort of sexual harassment during their lifetime. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:24.080 And like we were talking about this, I was like, 0:14:24.120 --> 0:14:27.000 eighty one seems low. Yeah, Actually, I feel like ninety 0:14:27.160 --> 0:14:31.760 nine point nine percent of women, approximately one in three 0:14:31.800 --> 0:14:34.520 women and one in six men have experienced some sort 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.800 of sexual violence other than rape. And this is the 0:14:37.840 --> 0:14:41.120 stuff that really was crazy is around sixty eight percent 0:14:41.160 --> 0:14:44.960 of sexual assaults are not reported to law enforcement, and 0:14:45.120 --> 0:14:48.880 ninety eight percent of rapists will never spend a jail, 0:14:49.080 --> 0:14:53.360 a day in jail or prison, like ninety eight percent. 0:14:54.120 --> 0:14:55.760 Well, most of them get away with it because they 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.520 don't report it, and there's so much shame around it. 0:14:58.880 --> 0:15:00.600 First of all, you don't report it, and you have 0:15:00.600 --> 0:15:02.400 to do it pretty quickly after to do the rape kit, 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:05.240 and a lot of times, you know, you just have 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.760 so much shame. Most people report it or start talking 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:14.160 about it six or seven years later, Right, that's the average, Wow, 0:15:14.200 --> 0:15:17.040 many years later, And it's usually because you hear someone 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:20.080 else's story or you watch, like, you know, a TV 0:15:20.160 --> 0:15:22.320 show and you see like the similar dialogue. Wait a second, 0:15:22.320 --> 0:15:22.880 that happened to me? 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:25.200 Right, you have to almost like see it played out 0:15:25.240 --> 0:15:28.080 to understand that it's actually experienced that well. 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:30.160 I mean, I knew what happened to me, you know, 0:15:30.680 --> 0:15:33.240 in twenty twenty, sorry, in two thousand. I knew what 0:15:33.280 --> 0:15:35.320 happened to me. I was aware of it, but you 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:38.040 have shame, you suppress it, you don't know who to 0:15:38.040 --> 0:15:40.800 talk to about it. And it wasn't until you know, 0:15:40.920 --> 0:15:44.280 women started speaking out about Jeffrey Epstein that I felt 0:15:44.480 --> 0:15:46.360 comfortablely be like, okay, what is second, that's what happened 0:15:46.360 --> 0:15:49.360 to me, and then wanting to reach out to them 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.360 and talk about it and see where our stories kind 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:55.320 of lined up. And you know, all the stories accord 0:15:55.680 --> 0:15:58.040 with this guy were all the same, whether you were 0:15:58.120 --> 0:15:58.760 underage or not. 0:15:59.040 --> 0:16:01.200 And the gay and they were in this in these 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:03.480 stats that were saying that most assault happens between the 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.040 ages of eighteen and thirty four, how old were you 0:16:06.120 --> 0:16:08.840 when eighteen thirty four? How old were you when you 0:16:08.880 --> 0:16:10.560 started when this started happening to you? 0:16:11.800 --> 0:16:14.240 Twenty twenty one, twenty. 0:16:14.040 --> 0:16:17.200 Twenty two, that twenty or twenty one years old? Yes, okay, 0:16:17.720 --> 0:16:19.480 And I was reading you know, when I was reading 0:16:19.640 --> 0:16:24.600 your your story about how you met him, which was 0:16:24.640 --> 0:16:26.320 I think you guys you were you had to shoot 0:16:26.320 --> 0:16:28.560 in the Virgin Islands and then a friend of yours 0:16:28.560 --> 0:16:31.280 invited you to his private island or something, or his 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:32.200 island he was renting. 0:16:32.280 --> 0:16:34.200 Yeah, well, that's so crazy about it because most people 0:16:34.200 --> 0:16:38.960 who were invited into Jeffrey Epstein's web were through Gallaine Maxwell, 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:42.040 the underage girls in Florida, or you knew him or 0:16:42.080 --> 0:16:45.160 introduced through another friend. That's just the way he operated. 0:16:45.160 --> 0:16:47.520 And was like, oh, hey, your first friend, you know, 0:16:47.520 --> 0:16:49.640 I was a mentor of mine, Come meet him. But 0:16:49.760 --> 0:16:51.840 I was just on a photo shoot in the islands, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:54.080 right I was just minding my own business and a 0:16:54.160 --> 0:16:57.080 photo shoot. And the other young model was like, hey, 0:16:57.120 --> 0:16:58.520 we have a day off. I have a friend who 0:16:58.520 --> 0:17:01.440 owns an island right here. Do you want to go? 0:17:02.080 --> 0:17:04.240 And I'm thinking, well, I just want to get away 0:17:04.240 --> 0:17:06.040 from the photographer of them want to shoot with right, 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:09.440 because he's the photographer, was also like creeping into my 0:17:09.480 --> 0:17:11.639 bed at night, you know, and I was just like 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:14.520 so freaked out. And he was a younger, like hot photographer, 0:17:14.560 --> 0:17:17.280 but it wasn't it was still right. And so when 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.680 she invited me, I was like, yeah, I want to 0:17:18.680 --> 0:17:23.320 get away from him, not knowing that another predator's. 0:17:22.880 --> 0:17:25.440 Out to a whole other, whole. 0:17:25.080 --> 0:17:28.800 Different type of predator. So yeah, and we just took 0:17:28.800 --> 0:17:32.159 a boat over to his island and just thought I 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.159 was just meeting like this wealthy guy who kind of 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.760 just kept to himself and you know, played in the pool. 0:17:38.320 --> 0:17:40.320 But I observed some things when I was on the 0:17:40.359 --> 0:17:44.080 island that probably wasn't supposed to see, and he introduced 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:47.119 me to someone who just had walked up, who later 0:17:47.320 --> 0:17:51.680 ended up being these young girls were saying this man 0:17:51.760 --> 0:17:52.680 had assaulted them. 0:17:52.840 --> 0:17:56.119 You know, they said that during the at the island, 0:17:56.160 --> 0:17:57.320 they told you this. 0:17:57.280 --> 0:18:01.560 Well, he's part of royalty in England, so you know, 0:18:01.760 --> 0:18:04.479 I just saw some things that had happened. And then 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:07.880 later on when I when I got home, he relentlessly 0:18:07.920 --> 0:18:10.159 called me over and over and over, and I, in 0:18:10.240 --> 0:18:12.359 hindsight think that the reason why he did was because 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.640 I saw things and he wanted to kind of keep 0:18:14.640 --> 0:18:15.440 me in his orbit. 0:18:15.359 --> 0:18:17.879 To make sure you were good, Like good, did the 0:18:17.960 --> 0:18:19.720 girls that you the other girls that you saw there, 0:18:19.800 --> 0:18:21.600 or did they were like obviously young? 0:18:21.680 --> 0:18:23.240 Were You're like, god, they look even younger than me. 0:18:23.600 --> 0:18:24.800 Well, no, because I was young. 0:18:24.840 --> 0:18:26.560 Yeah, so you're like, I'm so mature, And. 0:18:26.520 --> 0:18:28.160 Do we ever do we ever say old? Are you elder? 0:18:28.359 --> 0:18:30.399 I just assume we're all young, right, So I just 0:18:30.480 --> 0:18:33.000 assumed they were around the same age as me. Yeah, 0:18:33.040 --> 0:18:35.000 I didn't know at the time, or even if I 0:18:35.000 --> 0:18:36.520 had asked them. Thember was a while ago. Maybe they 0:18:36.520 --> 0:18:38.639 said they were older. I don't know, but I didn't 0:18:38.920 --> 0:18:42.200 know they were or fifteen, six or seventeen at that time. 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:45.640 I mean, I think all girls are kind of like young. 0:18:45.680 --> 0:18:49.120 First of all, we're like we're groomed by society at 0:18:49.359 --> 0:18:52.520