WEBVTT - Sublime 0:00:15.476 --> 0:00:22.676 Pushkin. Thirty years ago, Sublime released the album that defined 0:00:22.716 --> 0:00:27.356 their career in Southern California's music scene for a generation. Now, 0:00:27.396 --> 0:00:29.756 the band is preparing to put out their fourth full length, 0:00:29.956 --> 0:00:32.716 and for the first time, Bradley Nole's son, Jacob Nole, 0:00:32.876 --> 0:00:36.796 is stepping in as lead singer. Bradley, Sublime's original frontman, 0:00:36.916 --> 0:00:39.156 died of a heroin overdose in ninety six, just a 0:00:39.196 --> 0:00:41.476 couple of months shy of that breakthrough album coming out. 0:00:42.356 --> 0:00:44.596 Jacob was still an infant then, but he grew up 0:00:44.596 --> 0:00:48.556 surrounded by the lasting influence of a band that blended ska, punk, reggae, 0:00:48.636 --> 0:00:51.556 and hip hop into a sound that dominated the nineties. 0:00:52.116 --> 0:00:55.356 In nineteen ninety seven, after Bradley's passing, bassist Eric Wilson 0:00:55.356 --> 0:00:58.676 and drummer Brad Gat launched Long Beach Dub All Stars 0:00:58.876 --> 0:01:01.836 and stayed active with different projects. In late twenty twenty three, 0:01:02.036 --> 0:01:04.076 they shared the stage with Jacob at a benefit for 0:01:04.156 --> 0:01:07.116 Bad Brand and singer Hr and the spark between them 0:01:07.436 --> 0:01:11.636 was immediate. Today's episode, I talked with Jacob, Budd and 0:01:11.676 --> 0:01:15.196 eventually Eric about how this new chapter of Sublime came together. 0:01:15.436 --> 0:01:17.916 We also revisited the band scrapy early days when they 0:01:17.956 --> 0:01:20.356 had to beg, borrow, and steal just to keep going, 0:01:20.876 --> 0:01:23.076 and we hear their memories of recording the self titled 0:01:23.076 --> 0:01:26.556 album at Willie Nelson's studio just outside of Austin, Texas. 0:01:29.156 --> 0:01:38.436 This is Broken Record, real musicians, real conversations. Here's my 0:01:38.516 --> 0:01:41.516 conversation with Bud God and Jacob Nol of Sublime, and 0:01:41.636 --> 0:01:44.596 later in the conversation, Eric Wilson joins us as well. 0:01:45.396 --> 0:01:47.716 A big thank you to inter Trend and Creative Class 0:01:47.716 --> 0:01:50.196 for allowing us to use the facilities in downtown Long 0:01:50.196 --> 0:01:52.796 Beach to record this. To watch the full video version 0:01:52.836 --> 0:01:58.076 of this episode, visit YouTube dot com slash Broken Record Podcast. Man, 0:01:58.116 --> 0:02:01.356 it's great to have you guys, third of the band. 0:02:02.196 --> 0:02:06.716 We have Eric here shortly, but Bud Jacob, thanks for 0:02:06.756 --> 0:02:07.516 doing this, y'all. 0:02:07.756 --> 0:02:08.836 Yeah, thanks for having us. 0:02:08.916 --> 0:02:11.756 Man stuck to be here, Man, Long Beach. It's I 0:02:11.796 --> 0:02:13.636 look like twenty minutes. This is super easy. 0:02:13.996 --> 0:02:16.076 I know we were talking beforehand like this is I 0:02:16.156 --> 0:02:18.356 live here as well, and it's like this is the 0:02:18.396 --> 0:02:20.476 first time though I've ever been able to record one 0:02:20.516 --> 0:02:21.876 of these episodes here. 0:02:22.156 --> 0:02:23.876 We bumped into each other the gym like a couple 0:02:23.916 --> 0:02:29.036 of weeks ago, gym super random. Yeah right, you manifested this. 0:02:29.076 --> 0:02:32.916 Moment's absolutely right, absolutely right. Long Beach is such a 0:02:32.956 --> 0:02:37.756 great place. You know. I was young though, when Sublime, 0:02:37.956 --> 0:02:41.076 like you young, you know, like in the nineties, So 0:02:41.516 --> 0:02:44.396 I was aware of Sublime, but didn't get to fully 0:02:44.836 --> 0:02:48.996 enjoy or soak in the culture of what Long Beach 0:02:49.076 --> 0:02:51.236 was like at that time. I would love to start 0:02:51.236 --> 0:02:53.676 with just with you, Bud, taking us back a bit 0:02:53.716 --> 0:02:55.596 about like what Long Beach was like when you guys 0:02:55.596 --> 0:02:56.476 were first starting out. 0:02:56.516 --> 0:02:59.756 Man, you know, Long Long Beach was crazy back then. 0:02:59.796 --> 0:03:02.156 I mean, you know, you could you could drive from 0:03:02.196 --> 0:03:04.916 one side of Long Beach to the other and hear 0:03:05.236 --> 0:03:08.556 twenty different styles of music, you know, as you're driving 0:03:08.556 --> 0:03:11.436 through the neighbor hoods. You know, it was truly a 0:03:11.476 --> 0:03:15.596 melting pot, you know, I mean, you know, different different, 0:03:15.676 --> 0:03:20.796 uh different lifestyles, you know, on on every block, you know, 0:03:20.876 --> 0:03:23.476 as you're going and and everybody all kind of you know, 0:03:23.596 --> 0:03:27.116 got along for the most part. You know, skaters, punks, 0:03:27.156 --> 0:03:31.956 you know, jocks, everybody pretty much got along. So but yeah, 0:03:31.956 --> 0:03:36.116 that was the nineties. Uh, we were it was hard 0:03:36.116 --> 0:03:39.436 for us to find shows in Hollywood, so we would 0:03:39.476 --> 0:03:42.316 play anywhere we could, and uh, you know started out 0:03:42.996 --> 0:03:47.556 in backyard parties and and uh little warehouses and stuff. 0:03:47.596 --> 0:03:48.636 You know, what were the. 0:03:48.556 --> 0:03:50.396 Places to play in Hollywood at that time? Like where 0:03:50.396 --> 0:03:52.116 were you trying to oh. 0:03:52.196 --> 0:03:57.356 Just like you know, the the Whiskey or the Marquis, 0:03:57.636 --> 0:03:59.156 some of those places. 0:03:58.796 --> 0:04:00.316 Couldn't they wouldn't let yall in there. 0:04:00.556 --> 0:04:03.236 Well, it was they didn't know where to put us. 0:04:03.276 --> 0:04:06.836 You know, the music was it was happening in Hollywood 0:04:06.836 --> 0:04:08.876 at the time was all you know, it was all 0:04:08.996 --> 0:04:11.516 right and roll. You know, it was hair metal, it 0:04:11.556 --> 0:04:15.036 was it was hard metal. You know, it was glam rock. 0:04:15.156 --> 0:04:17.716 You know, it's like you literally, if you didn't have 0:04:18.036 --> 0:04:21.956 like fifteen cans of aquin At and some some cover 0:04:22.276 --> 0:04:24.996 what do they call it foundation on your rider, then 0:04:25.276 --> 0:04:27.516 you know, we're not even to waste our times with 0:04:27.596 --> 0:04:33.076 these posers. We just you know, like where are we 0:04:33.116 --> 0:04:34.036 going to put these guys? 0:04:34.076 --> 0:04:36.396 You know, were you interested in that scene at all? 0:04:36.476 --> 0:04:40.676 Like punk sort of like a response to that almost 0:04:40.716 --> 0:04:42.156 huh yeah, yeah, it. 0:04:42.116 --> 0:04:43.916 Was like, oh yeah, you can put us with like 0:04:43.956 --> 0:04:46.636 the Chili Peppers or Fishbone or something like that. 0:04:46.756 --> 0:04:50.796 You know, did you go to like Fishbone shows. 0:04:50.836 --> 0:04:53.516 Absolutely. We used to go to Fenders Ballroom here in 0:04:53.556 --> 0:04:57.276 Long Beach and and we'd see the Chili Peppers and 0:04:57.276 --> 0:05:02.956 and suicidal tendencies and yeah, all kinds of stuff, that's right, man. Yeah, 0:05:02.996 --> 0:05:05.676 the Fenders was kind of closed by the time that 0:05:05.676 --> 0:05:07.716 that we started playing. I mean, we got a few 0:05:07.836 --> 0:05:10.476 shows in early, but it closed up early. There was 0:05:10.516 --> 0:05:13.636 other little clubs in Long BEA's like toe Jam and stuff, 0:05:13.636 --> 0:05:16.636 but it was basically just kind of like a warehouse, 0:05:16.716 --> 0:05:18.676 you know, it wasn't really a club with a good 0:05:18.716 --> 0:05:19.356 sound system. 0:05:19.596 --> 0:05:21.836 Did it feel distinct so? I mean obviously like Hot 0:05:21.836 --> 0:05:24.436 So Hollywood had like the like you said, like Motley 0:05:24.476 --> 0:05:27.636 Crue like glam thing going. Did Long Beach feel distinct 0:05:27.636 --> 0:05:29.436 from what was going on in Orange County too? What 0:05:29.636 --> 0:05:30.316 was it? 0:05:29.756 --> 0:05:34.276 It was a lot more similar to Orange County, you know. 0:05:34.396 --> 0:05:37.996 We uh, we played a couple of shows with no doubt, 0:05:38.076 --> 0:05:40.276 and we immediately found out, oh wow, you know, it's 0:05:40.276 --> 0:05:43.716 like your guys' fan base is the same as ours. 0:05:43.756 --> 0:05:46.076 You know, we're seeing Long Beach faces over here in 0:05:46.116 --> 0:05:48.116 these Orange County shows, and then when you guys are 0:05:48.276 --> 0:05:50.276 over here, you're seeing the same thing in Orange County 0:05:50.276 --> 0:05:53.356 faces at the Long Beach Show. So you know, why 0:05:53.356 --> 0:05:55.636 don't you guys call us when you have a show 0:05:55.676 --> 0:05:57.476 and we'll do the same. And so we kind of 0:05:57.516 --> 0:05:59.316 partnered up that way, and it was like, you know, 0:05:59.356 --> 0:06:02.316 whenever you know, we could, we we would, you know, 0:06:02.876 --> 0:06:05.396 work together. So kind of seemed to work out that way, 0:06:05.596 --> 0:06:08.036 and I think that was kind of like our solution 0:06:08.316 --> 0:06:10.876 you know, to HOLLYO, it is, okay, well let's let's 0:06:10.916 --> 0:06:13.636 move south. What a San Diego have to offer, you know, 0:06:13.876 --> 0:06:17.236 And then we started venturing, you know, down that way, 0:06:17.276 --> 0:06:18.796 and it was like, oh, wow, this is this is 0:06:18.836 --> 0:06:21.636 a whole different market down here, you know, this is 0:06:21.676 --> 0:06:23.396 this is great. Yeah. So we had you know, a 0:06:23.396 --> 0:06:26.716 whole a whole new uh set of schools and and 0:06:26.716 --> 0:06:29.476 and bars and and stuff to work off of and 0:06:29.516 --> 0:06:30.596 feed feed down there. 0:06:30.716 --> 0:06:33.436 So did it seem feasible going that route that you 0:06:33.476 --> 0:06:36.916 guys could like break like get signed or break into 0:06:36.916 --> 0:06:37.356 the industry. 0:06:37.356 --> 0:06:39.876 And you know, we were always just so hopeful. We were, 0:06:39.996 --> 0:06:42.076 you know, I mean, we we didn't know what we wanted, 0:06:42.556 --> 0:06:44.276 you know, we just know that we wanted to keep 0:06:44.276 --> 0:06:47.036 on playing music and what was the best way that 0:06:47.036 --> 0:06:51.116 we could do that. And so it seemed like, well, 0:06:51.396 --> 0:06:52.716 we need to get it, We need to get a 0:06:52.716 --> 0:06:54.756 record contract, you know. But then it was like, well 0:06:54.796 --> 0:06:57.836 it was impossible to do that. So we made our 0:06:57.836 --> 0:07:01.916 own recordings and sold them and touring around and so 0:07:01.996 --> 0:07:04.516 we were always trying to, you know, get to that 0:07:04.596 --> 0:07:07.276 next level. You know, it's like so hard to you know. Yeah, 0:07:07.316 --> 0:07:09.076 now we got CDs. What do we do with them? 0:07:09.236 --> 0:07:10.756 You know, we send them to k Rock. They won't 0:07:10.756 --> 0:07:13.156 play our music, you know, they think, uh Jed the 0:07:13.196 --> 0:07:16.156 Fish might have done one time, you know, way back 0:07:16.196 --> 0:07:19.236 when you know, hey, check out this song, you know, like. 0:07:18.876 --> 0:07:21.436 Job won't pay the bills like that, that that era 0:07:22.116 --> 0:07:22.996 or forty forty. 0:07:23.716 --> 0:07:27.836 Yeah, we'd sent them massive amounts of CDs back in 0:07:27.876 --> 0:07:31.636 the day. And I don't even think the ink was 0:07:31.716 --> 0:07:36.036 dry on the on the the Gasoline Alley contract, you 0:07:36.076 --> 0:07:38.956 know when we signed that and they were spinning date rape. 0:07:38.956 --> 0:07:40.476 You know, it was like I think as soon as 0:07:40.516 --> 0:07:43.236 we walked out the doors of the the office, you 0:07:43.276 --> 0:07:46.436 know there with mister Phillips, that's incredible. 0:07:46.516 --> 0:07:51.516 Yeah, so cool man, you got that's like your whole 0:07:51.676 --> 0:07:54.036 radio k Rocks. 0:07:54.196 --> 0:07:57.916 I mean, they totally supported us. They they we loved 0:07:57.996 --> 0:07:59.956 k Rock. You know, it's like we we would go 0:08:00.036 --> 0:08:03.756 down to Loveline and and some of those shows and 0:08:03.796 --> 0:08:07.396 stuff that was that was always a real treat, real 0:08:07.436 --> 0:08:08.276 blast for us. 0:08:08.396 --> 0:08:10.796 How did hip hop enter the equation too? So, like 0:08:10.836 --> 0:08:12.916 you know, there's like the punk scene, there's like the 0:08:12.996 --> 0:08:15.836 SKA thing. How did hip hop enter the equation for 0:08:15.836 --> 0:08:16.956 for Sublime. 0:08:16.916 --> 0:08:19.716 Well, you know, it was it was just it was 0:08:19.756 --> 0:08:21.596 happening at the time, and like I said, you know, 0:08:21.676 --> 0:08:23.956 as you drive across town, you know, it's like you're 0:08:23.996 --> 0:08:27.156 over here and you know you're hearing you're hearing you know, 0:08:27.316 --> 0:08:31.236 n w A or or you know, Wu Tang or whatever. 0:08:31.316 --> 0:08:33.036 And it was like man, you know, so we started 0:08:33.116 --> 0:08:35.396 searching this stuff out. We're down there at the reggae 0:08:35.476 --> 0:08:37.756 record store and they got hip hop records over here, 0:08:37.996 --> 0:08:39.836 and so we're listening to this. You know, it's like, 0:08:40.316 --> 0:08:43.636 oh wow, who's this? You know, uh BDP but you 0:08:43.716 --> 0:08:46.636 down productions, Oh wow, this is dope, you know, And 0:08:46.676 --> 0:08:50.036 it was just like instant, you know. I took a 0:08:50.036 --> 0:08:53.836 little hiatus for a while, and Marshall came in and 0:08:53.836 --> 0:08:57.396 and and started playing drums and he was DJ too, 0:08:57.636 --> 0:09:01.116 and so he brought that element of hip hop into 0:09:01.356 --> 0:09:04.276 the group at that time too as well. Although we 0:09:04.396 --> 0:09:08.356 had that influence, you know, like just Ice and so 0:09:09.316 --> 0:09:11.756 it was there from from the beginning, but it just 0:09:11.876 --> 0:09:15.196 wasn't We didn't. It was like him know it, did 0:09:15.276 --> 0:09:17.316 him know how to do it? Yeah? You know, yeah, 0:09:17.356 --> 0:09:19.876 so it it took some learning. You know. 0:09:20.036 --> 0:09:20.796 It's incredible. 0:09:20.796 --> 0:09:20.956 Man. 0:09:21.036 --> 0:09:22.356 I don't know if you feel this way, like going 0:09:22.356 --> 0:09:25.596 back and listening to the records, the original handful of 0:09:25.636 --> 0:09:29.476 records is it's there are very few groups that did 0:09:29.556 --> 0:09:32.116 like the reggae scot thing or like the mixing of 0:09:32.196 --> 0:09:35.676 rock and hip hop thing as authentically as a blind 0:09:35.756 --> 0:09:37.476 Like it didn't feel like a put on. It didn't 0:09:37.516 --> 0:09:40.036 feel like just trying to go for something that like 0:09:41.236 --> 0:09:43.796 it was just it really felt like authentic to you guys. 0:09:43.836 --> 0:09:46.076 And just hearing you've mentioned like those like you know, 0:09:46.116 --> 0:09:48.396 obviously BDP because of the Karas one, we would know that, 0:09:48.396 --> 0:09:50.996 but like just Ice and like, you guys were really 0:09:51.076 --> 0:09:55.316 plugged in to wrap into hip hop. Like you it's like, 0:09:55.556 --> 0:09:58.956 so it seems like you guys were really digging for 0:09:59.036 --> 0:09:59.796 those records. 0:09:59.876 --> 0:10:02.916 Actually yeah, yeah, I mean the nineties it was just exploding. 0:10:02.956 --> 0:10:05.156 I mean, hip hop was was amazing. I mean, it 0:10:05.196 --> 0:10:08.036 was just like this whole brand new sound, but it 0:10:08.076 --> 0:10:11.116 was so familiar to you know, R and B, you know, 0:10:11.276 --> 0:10:14.676 jazz and blues and and stuff, so it was it 0:10:14.716 --> 0:10:16.756 was familiar, yet it was all brand new, and it 0:10:16.836 --> 0:10:20.756 was just like this whole new way of making music, 0:10:20.996 --> 0:10:25.356 you know, using already created music and so like kind 0:10:25.356 --> 0:10:27.556 of fit into our kind of thing where you know, 0:10:27.596 --> 0:10:30.476 it was big borrow and steel to get that feeling, 0:10:30.556 --> 0:10:33.836 you know, we needed that that that groove, you know, 0:10:34.396 --> 0:10:36.876 and so how do we get there? Well, we're gonna 0:10:37.156 --> 0:10:39.956 We're gonna make it by you know, listening to some 0:10:40.036 --> 0:10:44.596 of our favorite musicians and you know, imitating and you know, 0:10:44.676 --> 0:10:47.316 I mean life imitates art, Art imitates life. 0:10:47.516 --> 0:10:50.596 Is that that you have to do? Doing time came about? 0:10:51.236 --> 0:10:53.996 Because that's a really weird That was a really weird 0:10:53.996 --> 0:10:55.196 thing to take a bite of it. 0:10:55.436 --> 0:10:57.436 Yeah, like who thinking to do that? 0:10:58.396 --> 0:11:01.156 Was? That was Marshall Goodman there you know, I'm going 0:11:01.236 --> 0:11:03.436 to give that where that is because that was that 0:11:03.516 --> 0:11:08.036 was Marshall. Marshall brought that that track in and and 0:11:08.156 --> 0:11:10.836 him and Brad worked on that one together like solid. 0:11:10.956 --> 0:11:13.996 So when you when you heard the idea or like 0:11:14.076 --> 0:11:16.076 I was just like, oh man, this is amazing. 0:11:16.236 --> 0:11:16.916 You're into it. 0:11:18.156 --> 0:11:19.836 I was like, oh, this is dope. I mean it 0:11:19.916 --> 0:11:23.636 was like, you know, Janis Joplin, you know, Billy fucking 0:11:23.716 --> 0:11:25.556 you know, just I mean all of them, you know, 0:11:25.596 --> 0:11:28.996 the greatest people that, you know, our greatest artists have 0:11:29.076 --> 0:11:32.876 all redone that song, you know, and homage it's it's 0:11:32.916 --> 0:11:37.316 a beautiful song. Yeah, the chord structure is pretty pretty magical. 0:11:37.396 --> 0:11:39.276 So it seems like you guys, though, brought it back. 0:11:39.396 --> 0:11:42.356 Similar way Frank Ocean has sort of brought that standard 0:11:42.596 --> 0:11:44.756 Moon River kind of back in the popular consciousness. I 0:11:44.756 --> 0:11:47.196 feel like Sablon did that with with with Summer Time. 0:11:47.196 --> 0:11:49.956 I mean, Gershwin is Gershwin, you know. But you guys 0:11:49.996 --> 0:11:52.676 really did an incredible version. It really lives on through 0:11:52.876 --> 0:11:54.636 through you guys in the Lana del Rey doing it 0:11:54.636 --> 0:11:55.116 and whatnot. 0:11:55.196 --> 0:11:58.076 But yeah, it's like a testament too. It stands to like, 0:11:58.756 --> 0:12:03.076 I don't know, the collaborative, you know, nature of that 0:12:03.196 --> 0:12:04.956 era and all the stuff you guys were doing, the 0:12:04.996 --> 0:12:07.236 fact that you know, you take that little part and 0:12:07.276 --> 0:12:10.556 then from there of all this whole totally different song 0:12:10.636 --> 0:12:13.356 that could have never existed without all the stuff that 0:12:13.356 --> 0:12:16.156 came before it, So it's like so inspiring to hear 0:12:16.316 --> 0:12:19.076 like the evolution and what you guys were getting down 0:12:19.076 --> 0:12:21.556 into and how the stuff comes about, like and I 0:12:21.556 --> 0:12:24.076 think that's what makes music like that stand the test 0:12:24.076 --> 0:12:26.196 of times. People can see that it's like genuine you know, 0:12:26.316 --> 0:12:27.796 they were just like having so much fun. 0:12:28.196 --> 0:12:30.116 Yeah, man, what was? 0:12:31.316 --> 0:12:33.116 It just blows my mind here, And I love hearing 0:12:33.156 --> 0:12:33.996 about the history. 0:12:34.836 --> 0:12:36.836 What was growing up in Long Beach Like for you man, 0:12:36.876 --> 0:12:39.676 being Bradley knowles On, that had to be kind of heavy. 0:12:39.876 --> 0:12:43.796 Yes, I was born here and then then me and 0:12:43.876 --> 0:12:47.196 my mom moved to Hawaii and so I lived there 0:12:47.196 --> 0:12:49.796 for a couple of years, and then we moved to 0:12:49.796 --> 0:12:51.636 San Diego where I'd go to school and I'd stay 0:12:51.636 --> 0:12:54.116 there until I was seventeen and I moved back up here. 0:12:54.396 --> 0:12:57.796 But from you know, six to seventeen, the summertimes, I'd 0:12:57.796 --> 0:12:59.836 spend all the summer times here in Long Beach. So 0:12:59.836 --> 0:13:01.676 I would go to like Junior Lifeguards and I'd kick 0:13:01.676 --> 0:13:02.756 at my grandparents' house. 0:13:02.916 --> 0:13:05.036 That's passage here, Yeah, man. 0:13:04.956 --> 0:13:07.476 Junior Guards was. I was great looking back on it, 0:13:07.516 --> 0:13:09.516 but at the time, like I love doing the fun 0:13:09.556 --> 0:13:11.516 stuff like jumping off the boats, and stuff. But you 0:13:11.676 --> 0:13:13.196 what they usually do is you get there at nine 0:13:13.196 --> 0:13:15.276 am and then they're like, all right, start running. You're 0:13:16.276 --> 0:13:19.316 all right somewhere around the boot Oh I got it's 0:13:19.396 --> 0:13:21.436 fucked up, dude. It's like a kid work camp. 0:13:21.956 --> 0:13:22.156 Yeah. 0:13:22.156 --> 0:13:23.716 You start see you see like like like you know, 0:13:23.756 --> 0:13:25.756 like nine year old kids running like it's like like 0:13:25.876 --> 0:13:26.436 boot camp. 0:13:26.516 --> 0:13:29.036 Or you get out at like noon and then you're 0:13:29.076 --> 0:13:31.396 just like, please, can we go get a hamburg or something. 0:13:31.956 --> 0:13:32.956 He's just so hungry. 0:13:33.716 --> 0:13:33.836 Uh. 0:13:33.876 --> 0:13:35.316 But it was good man. 0:13:35.436 --> 0:13:35.716 You know. 0:13:37.156 --> 0:13:39.356 A lot of what Bud was saying stayed true. You know, 0:13:39.396 --> 0:13:41.676 there was so much uh. But me and my friends 0:13:41.676 --> 0:13:45.436 always saw you know, a lot of different genres of 0:13:45.556 --> 0:13:48.476 music and people and just this big, cool melting pot 0:13:48.596 --> 0:13:51.476 and there was cool stuff happening. But we were like 0:13:51.596 --> 0:13:53.556 keenly aware in our like I would say, like high 0:13:53.556 --> 0:13:56.356 school age that we started to take notice like, oh man, 0:13:56.396 --> 0:13:58.636 it feels like we're on the other side of like 0:13:58.636 --> 0:14:01.036 an era, like kind of how Hunter s Thompson if 0:14:01.036 --> 0:14:03.156 you ever you know how he's talking about, like in 0:14:03.436 --> 0:14:05.516 Fear and Loathing, It's like you could see the high 0:14:05.596 --> 0:14:07.956 watermark where the wave almost broke the wall. It's like 0:14:08.436 --> 0:14:10.116 it feels like we're this whole other era now where 0:14:10.116 --> 0:14:12.556 where people consume music differently, Like people don't didn't go 0:14:12.596 --> 0:14:14.236 outside as much, you know what I mean, they weren't 0:14:14.276 --> 0:14:17.356 out having having fun like that, which is a bummer. 0:14:17.396 --> 0:14:19.076 You know, there was definitely like a period where it 0:14:19.076 --> 0:14:22.356 felt like it was maybe harder for stuff to happen. 0:14:22.396 --> 0:14:25.356 But I think we're starting to see it happen again. 0:14:25.396 --> 0:14:28.116 You know, things go in waves and in cycles and 0:14:28.116 --> 0:14:31.636 and people's attention spans. They'll get over even the things 0:14:31.676 --> 0:14:35.116 that are distracting them from going outside and having authentic experiences. 0:14:35.556 --> 0:14:38.116 So the people that I see at our shows nowadays, 0:14:38.676 --> 0:14:42.516 I mean, they're they're hungry and craving that that experience again. 0:14:42.596 --> 0:14:44.196 So it's kind of you know, we kind of came 0:14:44.236 --> 0:14:45.556 back together at like the perfect time. 0:14:45.596 --> 0:14:47.436 It feels like, yeah, right at the time when it 0:14:47.436 --> 0:14:50.196 feels like people were wanting that authenticity that you know, 0:14:50.316 --> 0:14:54.556 you guys really brought, you know, were you did you? 0:14:54.636 --> 0:14:56.876 But so I mean obviously what you're saying, in high school, 0:14:57.076 --> 0:14:59.676 a lot a lot of kids were maybe into things 0:14:59.716 --> 0:15:01.996 other than music, but you were you a music had 0:15:02.036 --> 0:15:02.436 grown up. 0:15:02.596 --> 0:15:04.956 Yeah, yeah, for sure, And even if they were into music. 0:15:04.996 --> 0:15:06.716 It was just sort of different, like you would go 0:15:06.796 --> 0:15:09.596 out to shows and stuff like that, but were kind 0:15:09.596 --> 0:15:12.716 of putting there in their boxes, you know what I mean, Like, uh, 0:15:12.756 --> 0:15:15.676 it almost felt like going to a show was was 0:15:15.716 --> 0:15:17.356 sort of like it wasn't just something you did. It 0:15:17.396 --> 0:15:19.396 was like this weird relic of the past kind of thing, 0:15:19.516 --> 0:15:21.236 like you know, like, oh, look, I went to a show. 0:15:21.316 --> 0:15:23.596 Like it's like yeah, and no, I don't think anyone 0:15:23.636 --> 0:15:25.156 thought about it like that, or even we did at 0:15:25.156 --> 0:15:29.476 the time. But I mean, the internet just takes up 0:15:29.516 --> 0:15:33.036 a lot of your time and energy and imagination unfortunately. 0:15:33.236 --> 0:15:36.916 Like and uh, and I think now we're seeing it 0:15:36.956 --> 0:15:38.876 to be not so much of a bad thing. There's 0:15:38.916 --> 0:15:41.796 ways to utilize that creatively. But when I was coming up, 0:15:41.796 --> 0:15:44.076 I mean, I was obviously a fan of all the 0:15:44.156 --> 0:15:46.156 music my mom showed me, which of course was all 0:15:46.196 --> 0:15:48.476 the same stuff the guys were listening to. So I 0:15:48.596 --> 0:15:50.836 ended up being influenced by those same artists and stuff, 0:15:50.956 --> 0:15:53.596 you know, like men and Men, butthole surfers and Johnny 0:15:53.596 --> 0:15:56.156 Osbourne and you know a bunch of cool hip hop 0:15:56.156 --> 0:15:56.636 stuff too. 0:15:57.276 --> 0:15:59.116 But your mom was feeding you that stuff. 0:15:59.196 --> 0:16:01.596 Yeah, yeah, but uh, and not so much like homework, 0:16:01.676 --> 0:16:03.396 sit down and listen to this that would come later, 0:16:03.436 --> 0:16:05.116 Like Miguel would tell me to do my homeworks, like 0:16:05.156 --> 0:16:06.916 you need to listen to these records, otherwise you won't 0:16:06.996 --> 0:16:07.796 understand music. 0:16:08.636 --> 0:16:11.516 I was like said, Miguel's the dude who like big 0:16:11.556 --> 0:16:14.596 part of Sublime's history. Obviously recorded your first recorded some 0:16:14.676 --> 0:16:15.396 of your first recordings. 0:16:15.436 --> 0:16:16.236 It's not very first. 0:16:16.276 --> 0:16:18.036 We still see him all the time. He's our buddy. Yeah, 0:16:18.036 --> 0:16:22.236 he's I'm really grateful for that for sure. And but 0:16:22.276 --> 0:16:24.396 at the time, I think what made me really excited 0:16:24.836 --> 0:16:30.556 was like Queens of the Stone Age, tool masted on. 0:16:30.676 --> 0:16:34.076 These were all I mean, coincidentally, I get maybe or 0:16:34.196 --> 0:16:36.716 not coincidentally, but just matter of factly, they were just 0:16:36.756 --> 0:16:39.916 bands that were releasing music. And you know, two thousand 0:16:39.956 --> 0:16:42.356 and two, two thousand and six, nine ten, you know 0:16:42.396 --> 0:16:45.756 they they had. That was what my friends liked growing up, 0:16:45.796 --> 0:16:48.916 and it's what we were enthusiastic about. And sure we 0:16:48.996 --> 0:16:50.276 go out to a show every now and again, but 0:16:50.276 --> 0:16:53.076 it didn't feel like belonging to a scene. I think, 0:16:53.196 --> 0:16:55.916 like how when we look back and view the scenes 0:16:55.916 --> 0:16:58.196 and clicks of like the nineties, you know, those the 0:16:58.236 --> 0:17:00.996 way that people were starting to consume music was changing 0:17:01.036 --> 0:17:01.596 like a little bit. 0:17:01.636 --> 0:17:03.716 See that's that's the weird that is. That's that's what 0:17:03.756 --> 0:17:05.396 I was trying to get at. Is where you put 0:17:05.396 --> 0:17:09.316 so succinctly is like the nineties, eighties nine, I mean 0:17:09.356 --> 0:17:13.356 like kind of like most of you know, the twentieth century, 0:17:13.476 --> 0:17:16.756 like music was really segmented into like and scenes were 0:17:16.756 --> 0:17:18.876 segmented as the punk kids and the rock and the 0:17:18.916 --> 0:17:22.276 Glans and the ring you know, like or whatever. And 0:17:23.396 --> 0:17:25.796 I don't know how you guys managed to like escape 0:17:25.836 --> 0:17:28.756 that trap of just being like, you know, like it's 0:17:28.796 --> 0:17:30.476 it's really wild that you guys because. 0:17:30.236 --> 0:17:31.676 We liked it all. I mean, you know, it's like 0:17:31.756 --> 0:17:35.076 sometimes I think one of the best quotes that I 0:17:35.076 --> 0:17:37.676 can take from Brad was, you know, what, what kind 0:17:37.676 --> 0:17:41.796 of music do you like? Good music? Yeah? You know, 0:17:41.836 --> 0:17:45.036 if it's good, if it makes you feel something mad, sad, glad, 0:17:45.076 --> 0:17:48.036 angry or afraid, you know, then then it's doing its job. 0:17:48.156 --> 0:17:50.276 It made you feel, you know, So yeah, you know 0:17:50.316 --> 0:17:52.836 it's good music. It's good music, doesn't matter what kind 0:17:52.916 --> 0:17:54.956 or style it is. Yeah. 0:17:55.036 --> 0:17:58.676 Yeah, when did you When did you start h ingesting 0:17:59.796 --> 0:18:02.316 the work of Bud and Eric and your dad I. 0:18:02.316 --> 0:18:04.076 Mean, you know, it was definitely always present when I 0:18:04.156 --> 0:18:06.356 was a kid. You know, my mom was always playing 0:18:06.396 --> 0:18:09.236 it and stuff and h But I think when I got. 0:18:09.156 --> 0:18:10.756 Remember the first starry But do you remember the first time, 0:18:10.796 --> 0:18:12.156 like you do you remember like the first time your 0:18:12.196 --> 0:18:13.276 Mom's like, hey, that's your. 0:18:13.876 --> 0:18:15.796 Oh no, because it was happening since I was in 0:18:15.836 --> 0:18:18.756 the cradle, you know what I mean, it was so uh, 0:18:18.836 --> 0:18:20.836 it just seeped into my life. I always had known. 0:18:20.876 --> 0:18:23.076 I couldn't even think back or point to a time 0:18:23.756 --> 0:18:25.316 like it's kind of a little bit a tear jerker. 0:18:25.316 --> 0:18:27.596 But I remember being very little, maybe like two or three, 0:18:27.636 --> 0:18:30.116 like over in Hawaii, and like my mom's saying saying 0:18:30.116 --> 0:18:31.996 that your dad is alive. He's alive in your heart, 0:18:32.156 --> 0:18:34.476 you know, And so that was kind of a cool way. 0:18:34.516 --> 0:18:36.716 I always had felt that she said he was alive 0:18:36.756 --> 0:18:39.316 in the music and stuff. So that always tied this 0:18:39.556 --> 0:18:42.516 huge emotional component to the songs and the work. But 0:18:43.356 --> 0:18:45.116 you know, like most kids, though, I mean that since 0:18:45.156 --> 0:18:46.676 it was so emotional, it kind of just was in 0:18:46.716 --> 0:18:49.676 the background. I never gave too much crazy thought to 0:18:49.716 --> 0:18:52.636 it until like my teenage years. I think everybody's teenage years. 0:18:52.956 --> 0:18:56.516 Music is such an important, such an important tool because 0:18:56.596 --> 0:19:00.476 you know who doesn't have a weird you know, teenage saga. 0:19:00.556 --> 0:19:02.796 You know that when you're that age, everything's so intense 0:19:02.836 --> 0:19:05.436 and crazy that if you if you have music that 0:19:05.476 --> 0:19:06.956 can make you feel like, oh maybe I'm not the 0:19:06.996 --> 0:19:09.036 only one who thinks this way, like or any kind 0:19:09.036 --> 0:19:11.756 of art, that's your escape, right, So I was. I 0:19:11.796 --> 0:19:15.396 was at that point like learning and interacting with all 0:19:15.396 --> 0:19:18.876 these different sounds and artists, and of course just naturally 0:19:18.916 --> 0:19:21.516 because Sublime's dope and awesome, Like I would listen to 0:19:21.556 --> 0:19:23.836 it like any other fifteen year old smoking we would 0:19:23.876 --> 0:19:26.076 do you know what I mean, And you could do it. 0:19:26.036 --> 0:19:27.596 Like objectively and just be like, yeah, this is just 0:19:27.676 --> 0:19:29.676 great to smoke weed too, Yeah, I remember. 0:19:29.716 --> 0:19:31.556 I mean I definitely listened to all the records I 0:19:31.636 --> 0:19:34.036 was taught by, like my older friends, Like if they 0:19:34.076 --> 0:19:36.236 caught you listening to because in our in our day 0:19:36.276 --> 0:19:38.436 and age was like the iTunes era and LimeWire live 0:19:38.436 --> 0:19:40.956 wire stuff, and if you listen to just singles, they 0:19:40.956 --> 0:19:43.276 would like shame you ruthlessly, like what you can't just 0:19:43.276 --> 0:19:44.756 listen to a single, You gotta listen to a whole 0:19:44.756 --> 0:19:46.996 record or the song won't make sense, dude, Like come on, 0:19:47.156 --> 0:19:49.716 like okay, okay, I'll listen, but but then you'd find 0:19:49.716 --> 0:19:51.516 your favorites and you'd put you'd make your own little 0:19:51.516 --> 0:19:54.796 playlists or whatever. And Uh, for me, I'd always listen 0:19:54.876 --> 0:20:00.236 to pawn Shop, uh Boss DJ. And I'm trying to remember. 0:20:00.676 --> 0:20:03.036 There was definitely a few more. Uh definitely All You 0:20:03.076 --> 0:20:06.676 Need That still one of my favorites. Uh, but I 0:20:06.716 --> 0:20:09.716 don't know. It just it just fit very perfect into 0:20:10.516 --> 0:20:13.996 the teenage experience, I guess, or the youthful experience. And 0:20:14.036 --> 0:20:15.876 I think that's why we see so many of our 0:20:15.916 --> 0:20:18.476 fans still to this day are all ages. 0:20:18.796 --> 0:20:19.116 Yeah. 0:20:19.236 --> 0:20:22.036 Yeah, did you? I mean over the years, I mean 0:20:22.076 --> 0:20:24.796 you kept playing music, you kept going you and Eric, 0:20:25.516 --> 0:20:29.716 did you did you recognize that like it's successive generations 0:20:29.716 --> 0:20:32.636 a teenagers kept having that same experience with your music. 0:20:33.036 --> 0:20:35.316 Yeah, it was wild. I was just like, man, this 0:20:35.436 --> 0:20:37.356 is like the gift that just keeps on giving. It's 0:20:37.396 --> 0:20:40.436 just like it's it's never ending, you know, this is 0:20:40.476 --> 0:20:43.556 this is an awesome ride that we're on here. You know, 0:20:43.716 --> 0:20:46.956 there's all these other bands that have kind of you know, 0:20:47.076 --> 0:20:51.356 taken to our sound and and it's started its own 0:20:51.516 --> 0:20:55.756 you know, kind of little sub genre of music and 0:20:55.756 --> 0:20:57.476 in a way, and it was just like it was 0:20:57.516 --> 0:21:00.036 like wow. You know, at first, I was it was 0:21:00.116 --> 0:21:03.076 kind of you know angering you know, it's like we 0:21:03.116 --> 0:21:06.036 didn't get to do that, you know, and and it's 0:21:06.036 --> 0:21:09.076 like you know, right, your own style, you know, do 0:21:09.196 --> 0:21:12.876 something ridge and you know. But then it was like wow, 0:21:12.956 --> 0:21:16.196 these people they really truly like loved our band, and 0:21:16.436 --> 0:21:18.556 you know, it's like just like what we were doing. 0:21:18.956 --> 0:21:21.876 You know, imitation is a purest form of flattery, and 0:21:21.916 --> 0:21:26.876 it was like wow, man, whoa, this is even greater 0:21:27.036 --> 0:21:30.076 awesome feeling. You know, It's like, holy cow, It's like 0:21:30.116 --> 0:21:33.676 what did we do? Wow? Yeah, it was a trip. 0:21:33.836 --> 0:21:36.556 There was a part of you that maybe initially saw 0:21:36.596 --> 0:21:40.316 other people doing a version of Sublime. 0:21:41.396 --> 0:21:42.996 Lie. You know, it's like, man, that was part of it. 0:21:43.036 --> 0:21:45.076 You know, we're on this We're on this magic carpet 0:21:45.156 --> 0:21:48.636 ride where you know, ten thousand feet in the air 0:21:48.676 --> 0:21:50.836 and then the carpet gets ripped out from underneath us. 0:21:50.836 --> 0:21:53.076 You know, we we were just on that launching pad. 0:21:53.116 --> 0:21:55.476 All this stuff that we were working for, those childhood 0:21:55.556 --> 0:21:58.836 dreams when me and Eric were in the coliseum watching 0:21:58.996 --> 0:22:01.076 you know, the clash and the who going. 0:22:01.556 --> 0:22:03.556 We're gonna be up there someday. 0:22:03.396 --> 0:22:05.436 You know, when we're this big. It was like all 0:22:05.516 --> 0:22:12.516 that stuff was like, yeah, we're finally yeah, yeah, damn, 0:22:12.636 --> 0:22:14.716 you know. And it wasn't a soft landing. You know, 0:22:14.756 --> 0:22:18.076 a lot of drugs and alcohol came into play and 0:22:18.076 --> 0:22:21.476 and uh, you know, pushing the feelings away, and there 0:22:21.556 --> 0:22:25.396 was a lot of emotional damage, you know, internally to 0:22:25.956 --> 0:22:30.516 you know, ourselves and others around us. And typically the 0:22:30.556 --> 0:22:33.196 ones we love the most to seem to catch a 0:22:33.236 --> 0:22:35.196 lot of the flat because they're right there hugging you 0:22:35.236 --> 0:22:38.916 went your bomb explodes, you know. Yeah, So it's yeah, man, 0:22:39.476 --> 0:22:43.356 been a lot of uh, a lot of uh, you know, 0:22:43.556 --> 0:22:45.716 reparations along the way, you know. 0:22:45.876 --> 0:22:48.556 Son, It's one of the heaviest stories because like you 0:22:48.556 --> 0:22:53.236 could point to some people in music history that you know, 0:22:55.516 --> 0:22:58.836 like maybe like Otis Redding, you know, maybe a Randy 0:22:58.876 --> 0:23:00.916 Roads just thinking about Ozzie's just passed Randy Roads, who 0:23:00.956 --> 0:23:04.396 was just like you know, they kind of you know, 0:23:04.596 --> 0:23:07.916 gone too soon. But it's like the riots really like 0:23:09.356 --> 0:23:12.116 it's never happened, and the way that it uniquely happened 0:23:12.116 --> 0:23:13.316 to you guys, losing it. 0:23:13.236 --> 0:23:17.036 Is totally unique story completely from start to finish, from 0:23:17.076 --> 0:23:20.436 from high school to present day. You know, from eighty 0:23:20.516 --> 0:23:23.836 nine to twenty five, there's nothing quite exactly like the 0:23:23.916 --> 0:23:27.676 story of Sublime, and it's it's stayed pretty like underground 0:23:27.676 --> 0:23:29.276 in a cool way, you know what I mean. It's big, 0:23:29.356 --> 0:23:31.116 obviously bigger than anybody ever thought it'd be. 0:23:31.156 --> 0:23:34.876 But it's obviously very big, but it's it's a countercultural thing. 0:23:35.076 --> 0:23:38.476 It's almost like its own subgenre. Not subgenre you trying 0:23:38.476 --> 0:23:39.396 to say, is that I. 0:23:39.396 --> 0:23:40.956 Was going to figure out too. It's like a subgenre 0:23:41.076 --> 0:23:43.196 that gets just a culture. Maybe it's a subculture that 0:23:43.276 --> 0:23:46.836 gets adopted kind of everywhere around everyone has their own 0:23:46.836 --> 0:23:48.756 little personal experience. I mean, like it's just it was 0:23:48.796 --> 0:23:50.956 so funny to hear you explain your teenage years with it, 0:23:50.956 --> 0:23:52.716 because it was like the same thing with my teenage 0:23:52.796 --> 0:23:55.396 years of like people smoking joints and listening to like, 0:23:55.436 --> 0:23:57.236 you know, ruka or like what you know. It's like 0:23:57.276 --> 0:23:59.996 that was like what we did, and then that's how 0:24:00.036 --> 0:24:02.516 and then going back and then finding like Barrington Levy 0:24:02.596 --> 0:24:04.956 or find you know, like just like how hip hop 0:24:05.036 --> 0:24:07.676 helped me go back and find new records, like you know, 0:24:07.756 --> 0:24:10.396 sublime help me go back and really rediscover what was 0:24:10.436 --> 0:24:13.636 going on in Jamaica and the islands. And then it's 0:24:13.676 --> 0:24:16.036 covering people like Gershwin and you're like it's a whole 0:24:16.116 --> 0:24:19.396 musical education. And then like you know, digging deeper into 0:24:19.436 --> 0:24:22.996 caras One, you know, like it's like that was what 0:24:22.996 --> 0:24:26.196 what you guys did. But yeah, but it's just it's 0:24:26.236 --> 0:24:30.476 just unfathomable that you guys were right there with this 0:24:30.676 --> 0:24:32.836 album with the self title Low and it just sounds 0:24:32.916 --> 0:24:38.236 like as perfect as any album that's ever classic record. 0:24:38.556 --> 0:24:42.436 That was like the sound that we were attempting to 0:24:42.516 --> 0:24:47.436 achieve from the beginning. You know when when we when 0:24:47.516 --> 0:24:54.556 we had the rough tracks done in in uh at 0:24:54.556 --> 0:24:58.516 Willie's place there and they had the rough at it, 0:24:58.516 --> 0:25:01.956 it was like, that's it. This is the sound that 0:25:01.996 --> 0:25:04.756 we had been trying to make this entire time, you know, 0:25:05.516 --> 0:25:07.956 from John Won't Pay the Bills all the way through. 0:25:08.116 --> 0:25:10.396 You know what were you guys going for on Robin 0:25:10.476 --> 0:25:10.796 the Hood? 0:25:13.116 --> 0:25:16.196 So that sounds like a funny story there. Well, we 0:25:16.196 --> 0:25:19.756 were talking with Brett Gurwitz, uh, mister Brett from from 0:25:19.836 --> 0:25:25.076 Bad Religion and and uh yeah he had had uh 0:25:25.596 --> 0:25:29.036 expressed some interests and signing us to Epitaph Records, and 0:25:29.116 --> 0:25:32.876 so he said, well, come on down to the studio. 0:25:33.076 --> 0:25:37.156 Donelle is going to record you guys and just just uh, 0:25:37.276 --> 0:25:39.916 you know, have some fun, you know, do what you 0:25:39.956 --> 0:25:43.236 guys do. And so we go down to the studio 0:25:43.676 --> 0:25:47.036 expecting to see mister Brett there and everything, and he's like, oh, 0:25:47.076 --> 0:25:49.356 well he's he's in Uh, he's in New York. He's 0:25:49.356 --> 0:25:52.356 signing a deal with Atlantic for Bad Religion right now, 0:25:52.436 --> 0:25:54.196 so he's not going to be able to be here. 0:25:54.236 --> 0:25:56.796 So we stayed there, we knocked out a bunch of tracks, 0:25:57.236 --> 0:26:01.436 and the engineer went to go get some food pick up, 0:26:01.436 --> 0:26:04.676 food delivery or something like that, and so we hit 0:26:04.796 --> 0:26:07.716 rewind on the tape machine, boxed up the two inch 0:26:07.796 --> 0:26:10.236 tape and took it with us left to nose. Have 0:26:10.316 --> 0:26:14.556 mister Brett call us when he returns. And uh, you know, 0:26:14.636 --> 0:26:18.276 Brett was pretty upset, you know, he'd just given us 0:26:18.316 --> 0:26:20.436 all this time. And I was like, well, Brett, this 0:26:20.516 --> 0:26:23.916 is our this is our intellectual property. You know, we 0:26:24.236 --> 0:26:26.316 owe you for the tape. Okay, you said you were 0:26:26.316 --> 0:26:28.596 giving us the recording time, but we owe you the 0:26:28.596 --> 0:26:32.796 two hundred fifty bucks for the for the tape. You 0:26:32.836 --> 0:26:34.636 want to sign us, we can go see it all 0:26:34.676 --> 0:26:40.196 This later's got lost in the shuffle, and so now 0:26:40.236 --> 0:26:42.636 here we got this. We have half a record, well, 0:26:43.036 --> 0:26:45.236 probably a full record if we looked at it like 0:26:45.236 --> 0:26:47.396 a regular band, but we like to fill up all 0:26:47.436 --> 0:26:51.316 the plastic on the CD. So we had half a 0:26:51.356 --> 0:26:54.156 record in material. What are we going to do with it? Well, 0:26:54.196 --> 0:26:58.596 we have to make another record. So it was demo 0:26:58.716 --> 0:27:03.116 days and we had some friends that had found this 0:27:03.276 --> 0:27:06.836 community down in South County that had some homes that 0:27:06.876 --> 0:27:11.436 were damaged and and so you know, it was it 0:27:11.516 --> 0:27:15.636 was free, free studio time. We set up our equipment 0:27:15.676 --> 0:27:24.556 and in the abandoned homes and squatted away living rooms across. Yeah, 0:27:24.636 --> 0:27:28.716 you know, Kathy Cornwall's living room was part part of it. Yeah, 0:27:28.756 --> 0:27:31.236 there was a couple of other people who donated the 0:27:31.236 --> 0:27:33.876 their rooms and and but yeah, a lot, a lot 0:27:33.876 --> 0:27:37.156 of uh, a lot of debauchery went into that album. 0:27:37.236 --> 0:27:39.476 That's why it's called Robin the Hood because we were 0:27:39.756 --> 0:27:40.596 stealing time. 0:27:44.476 --> 0:27:48.316 That's insane. We'll be back with more from Jacob and 0:27:48.356 --> 0:27:55.076 Bud of Sublime after the break. So you had the 0:27:55.356 --> 0:27:57.556 I mean the stolen but not really stolen because to 0:27:57.596 --> 0:28:00.636 your point, was your actual property those dates. It was 0:28:00.676 --> 0:28:01.436 from epitaph. 0:28:01.476 --> 0:28:04.476 It was, yeah, eccentrically borrowed. 0:28:06.036 --> 0:28:09.036 Yeah, repurposed and recommandeered. 0:28:10.916 --> 0:28:12.516 Have you heard that? Have you heard the story before? 0:28:12.516 --> 0:28:14.356 You were bits and pieces, but hearing it all together 0:28:14.516 --> 0:28:16.276 is just like, blow my mind every time. 0:28:16.916 --> 0:28:18.436 That's so crazy. 0:28:18.756 --> 0:28:21.476 You just don't hear like stories like that anymore. 0:28:21.476 --> 0:28:23.716 Man, it's not too late. You guys can steal. You 0:28:23.716 --> 0:28:25.996 guys have from tapes, you can steal from these sessions. 0:28:25.996 --> 0:28:28.676 You guys, let's go right. 0:28:28.556 --> 0:28:29.156 Now, let's. 0:28:31.116 --> 0:28:33.676 Let's go to John Joseph. 0:28:34.076 --> 0:28:35.436 So when you guys put that together, I mean just 0:28:35.476 --> 0:28:37.996 to get back and obviously well we'll start talking about 0:28:38.676 --> 0:28:40.996 Sonatas and the new stuff, but it's just it's we 0:28:41.116 --> 0:28:43.636 got both two generations of the band going here. So 0:28:43.676 --> 0:28:47.556 it's just it's it's like an embarrassment of riches. But 0:28:47.636 --> 0:28:49.596 you know, the self title album and it's like this 0:28:49.676 --> 0:28:51.996 perfect sound and even you said it's the sound you 0:28:52.076 --> 0:28:56.916 heard Robin Hood was definitely the exact opposite of that. 0:28:57.076 --> 0:28:58.476 But you guys knew that putting it out. 0:28:58.516 --> 0:29:02.396 You just wanted to experimental album, you know, at the time, 0:29:02.716 --> 0:29:05.076 you know, you had albums like Paul's Boutique coming out. 0:29:05.156 --> 0:29:07.596 You know, I was gonna mention all of this, you know, 0:29:07.716 --> 0:29:10.836 really great wild stuff, and so you know, we're we're 0:29:10.876 --> 0:29:13.956 pushing the limits with the hip hop and you know 0:29:14.436 --> 0:29:19.236 element and in our music and really trying to find 0:29:19.276 --> 0:29:22.636 that next sound, you know. And and so, like I said, 0:29:22.676 --> 0:29:25.076 we had we had this half of an album that 0:29:25.236 --> 0:29:28.836 was you know, it was professionally recorded, and then the 0:29:28.916 --> 0:29:33.156 other half was not so professionally recorded. And then we 0:29:33.196 --> 0:29:35.476 all put it together and produced it on our own. 0:29:35.716 --> 0:29:38.636 You know. That was Miguel and Brad and you know 0:29:38.876 --> 0:29:41.556 mine and Eric's two cents in there when needed. So 0:29:41.956 --> 0:29:44.116 you know, it was, uh, that's how we put that 0:29:44.156 --> 0:29:45.756 album together. And it was like all right, now we 0:29:45.836 --> 0:29:47.596 got something new, let's get it out there, you know. 0:29:47.636 --> 0:29:50.636 And it was we always looked at at our records 0:29:50.676 --> 0:29:53.396 like a finished product, a piece of art, but it 0:29:53.516 --> 0:29:56.116 was also a business card. You know, this is what 0:29:56.196 --> 0:29:58.076 we're going to hand people. This is going to get 0:29:58.076 --> 0:30:00.716 their attention, you know. And so it was like we 0:30:00.796 --> 0:30:02.756 got something new to pass out, we have something new 0:30:02.756 --> 0:30:04.876 to sell. Well, it was just putting gas in the 0:30:04.916 --> 0:30:06.596 vand so we can get to the next show. 0:30:07.716 --> 0:30:10.516 What was the reception when you're passing that around fifty 0:30:10.516 --> 0:30:12.076 to fifty people? 0:30:12.396 --> 0:30:15.236 Some people loved it, some people hated it. You know, 0:30:15.916 --> 0:30:18.436 I couldn't understand, Raleigh, what the fuck did you put 0:30:18.436 --> 0:30:20.916 that guy on the album for? It's like, you don't 0:30:20.956 --> 0:30:23.516 get it, Okay. 0:30:22.956 --> 0:30:26.436 This one doesn't get it? 0:30:26.556 --> 0:30:33.236 Fifty fifty description of that record, Like it's it's pretty abrasive. 0:30:33.276 --> 0:30:36.476 It's like, you know, it's definitely you know, like if 0:30:36.476 --> 0:30:38.116 you hear that, you're gonna get it, or you're just. 0:30:38.316 --> 0:30:41.556 Like, yeah, you know, it's for the seasoned listener. 0:30:42.636 --> 0:30:52.996 Odds are good, but the goods are odd so good. 0:30:53.076 --> 0:30:55.916 So then once you finally get out to Willie's place 0:30:56.636 --> 0:31:00.036 and outside of Willie Nelson, outside of Austin, just outside 0:31:00.036 --> 0:31:02.356 of Austin, Texas, and you guys are recording and self titled, 0:31:03.436 --> 0:31:05.156 did you just like, was it an accident that you 0:31:05.196 --> 0:31:05.876 got that sound? 0:31:05.916 --> 0:31:05.996 Like? 0:31:06.036 --> 0:31:08.796 Did it just I mean, I'd assume not, but like. 0:31:09.196 --> 0:31:11.516 You know, it was just the years and years of 0:31:11.956 --> 0:31:16.796 working together, you know, playing playing shows out on the road, 0:31:17.316 --> 0:31:21.396 you know, I mean there there's times when you know, 0:31:21.756 --> 0:31:23.836 Eric and I were lockstep from from a Jump, and 0:31:23.876 --> 0:31:26.796 I think that's partly because you know, being trained by 0:31:26.836 --> 0:31:29.116 his father and stuff, both of us. 0:31:29.156 --> 0:31:31.276 So so father was a drummer, right, His. 0:31:31.516 --> 0:31:35.236 Father was a drummer and also played piano and vibes 0:31:35.236 --> 0:31:40.796 and stuff too. But but you know, being playing shows 0:31:40.836 --> 0:31:44.116 out on the road, you know, for for as long 0:31:44.156 --> 0:31:47.516 as we did, we developed like this kind of third 0:31:47.556 --> 0:31:50.836 eye between us. You know, we all knew what we 0:31:50.836 --> 0:31:53.276 were going to do. When you know, it's like all 0:31:53.276 --> 0:31:55.756 it took was just like Brad turning around and looking 0:31:55.796 --> 0:31:58.916 at me and going like watch this hold on, you know, 0:31:58.956 --> 0:32:00.476 and I was like I knew a change was coming, 0:32:00.516 --> 0:32:02.276 and I was like, I know what he's gonna do. 0:32:02.716 --> 0:32:05.596 I remember the music we were listening to on the way here, 0:32:05.996 --> 0:32:09.116 you know. Yeah, and so so you know, things would 0:32:09.236 --> 0:32:11.676 change up and we had improvised it, and you know, 0:32:11.796 --> 0:32:15.436 it was it was just developing that that musicianship you know, 0:32:15.916 --> 0:32:19.916 really played into the recording. And you know a lot 0:32:19.956 --> 0:32:23.276 of times we were you know, the other recordings, we 0:32:23.276 --> 0:32:25.756 were pressed for time and money, you know, because it 0:32:25.796 --> 0:32:28.396 costs money to be in the studio, and we didn't 0:32:28.436 --> 0:32:32.196 go into the studio without a purpose. You know, there 0:32:32.276 --> 0:32:35.036 was we had ten or fifteen songs and we're going 0:32:35.116 --> 0:32:37.036 to bust out as many as we can. And we 0:32:37.116 --> 0:32:39.236 went in there bing bang bing bang bing bang boom, 0:32:39.516 --> 0:32:41.676 you know, because it was costing us money and we 0:32:41.676 --> 0:32:44.596 were broke. So we're going out to Willie's place and 0:32:44.636 --> 0:32:47.156 the record company's paying for it. And I remember flying 0:32:47.196 --> 0:32:49.836 out there asking Eric what the fuck are we gonna do? 0:32:50.196 --> 0:32:53.556 We got maybe two or three songs, you know, I mean, 0:32:53.956 --> 0:32:56.436 and he's like, I don't know, but we're figuring out 0:32:56.476 --> 0:32:57.636 when we get there. 0:32:57.516 --> 0:32:57.756 You know. 0:32:59.156 --> 0:33:02.196 So uh, you know, every day it was just something new, 0:33:02.516 --> 0:33:06.756 and it was part of that that jam, that improv 0:33:07.396 --> 0:33:10.156 kind of feel, you know, and it was just it 0:33:10.276 --> 0:33:12.116 was just wild, you know, and just things came to 0:33:12.196 --> 0:33:15.156 us every day, and some days nothing came to us. 0:33:15.396 --> 0:33:17.396 We'd sit there and try as hard as we could, 0:33:17.596 --> 0:33:19.276 and Paul would be like, why don't you guys go 0:33:19.356 --> 0:33:20.516 play golf or something. 0:33:22.596 --> 0:33:23.996 They actually had that set up there. 0:33:24.356 --> 0:33:27.476 There was a little golf Willie's studio was a it 0:33:27.556 --> 0:33:29.716 was on a golf course. It was a it was 0:33:29.756 --> 0:33:33.676 an old golf club. It was a country club, and 0:33:33.916 --> 0:33:36.476 the country club for the golf course was the actual studio, 0:33:36.836 --> 0:33:39.396 and there was homes around the golf course. And I 0:33:39.396 --> 0:33:43.196 think that like all of the touring families lived out there, 0:33:43.276 --> 0:33:45.196 you know, so all of his roadies and such, you know, 0:33:45.196 --> 0:33:47.476 they all kind of add their their community out there. 0:33:47.516 --> 0:33:50.156 It was Willie World, you know, it was pretty really 0:33:50.156 --> 0:33:50.796 cool thing, you. 0:33:50.716 --> 0:33:53.356 Know, was any of Willie's Like, like, so Willie's some 0:33:53.396 --> 0:33:56.676 of Willie's entourage must have been around to see, right, Yeah, 0:33:56.796 --> 0:33:58.596 yeah you meet you got to meet him. 0:33:58.596 --> 0:33:59.996 You didn't get to meet Willie. He was out on 0:34:00.036 --> 0:34:02.636 the road at the time, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. 0:34:02.676 --> 0:34:04.556 So a lot of that was jamming. You guys got 0:34:04.596 --> 0:34:08.916 in hit record, see what happens, and then you would 0:34:08.916 --> 0:34:11.196 just shape it from there, like yeah, listen back to 0:34:11.236 --> 0:34:12.236 the tay here something. 0:34:12.276 --> 0:34:12.556 Okay. 0:34:12.596 --> 0:34:16.676 So, for instance, caress me down. I had an electronic 0:34:16.756 --> 0:34:18.916 drum kit. I think it was a Rolling TD seven 0:34:19.476 --> 0:34:23.076 and there was this one pre programmed drum kit on 0:34:23.116 --> 0:34:26.636 there that had like reverse cymbals and drums, and I'm 0:34:26.676 --> 0:34:28.836 just messing around with it. I got like the headphones on, 0:34:28.916 --> 0:34:31.556 you know, and and I'm just playing around on this thing. 0:34:31.596 --> 0:34:33.436 And then and I didn't realize that it was in 0:34:33.476 --> 0:34:35.596 the monitors too, and Brad was like, wait, wait, wait, 0:34:35.716 --> 0:34:38.196 play that again, play that again, you know, And that 0:34:38.396 --> 0:34:42.116 was like the first part for Caress Me Down, and 0:34:42.156 --> 0:34:43.836 that's how that and he was like I got something, 0:34:43.876 --> 0:34:46.556 I got something, and he just grabbed a microphone. Paul 0:34:46.636 --> 0:34:49.756 hit play and record and it was the drums and 0:34:49.796 --> 0:34:52.436 Brad and Brad was like kind of directing me as 0:34:52.476 --> 0:34:55.716 he's singing lyrics, you know, And so the scratch lyrics 0:34:55.756 --> 0:34:57.676 on there, I'm sure he'd be like, no, bring it down, 0:34:57.676 --> 0:35:01.196 bring it down, okay, you know. So it's it was 0:35:01.236 --> 0:35:04.636 pretty cool, like wild, like on the spot, like live creation. 0:35:05.156 --> 0:35:07.276 You do that, and then he might he might be scratching, 0:35:07.996 --> 0:35:12.036 he might redo it, read it. Yeah, that's pretty insane though, Yeah, 0:35:12.196 --> 0:35:14.436 that's pretty nuts. How much of that I mean? You 0:35:14.476 --> 0:35:17.796 can't like obviously, like the sound of en Sonata, which 0:35:17.836 --> 0:35:20.516 is like the first fully original song that you guys 0:35:20.556 --> 0:35:24.756 have done with with with Jacob, it sounds like a 0:35:24.796 --> 0:35:28.116 bit like logically what you would think comes next after 0:35:28.156 --> 0:35:32.756 that album, But you can't recreate the magic that might 0:35:32.756 --> 0:35:35.196 have happened at Willie's studio, no, totally. So how do 0:35:35.196 --> 0:35:36.836 you guys think about going in the studio once you 0:35:36.876 --> 0:35:38.316 decide to do this together? 0:35:38.396 --> 0:35:40.756 Like basically everything Bud said, I kind of wanted that 0:35:40.916 --> 0:35:43.196 to be the case too, and so yeah, it's kind 0:35:43.196 --> 0:35:45.956 of exactly the vibe. I mean, there was some basic 0:35:46.036 --> 0:35:48.516 ideas here and there from various sources, and then we 0:35:48.716 --> 0:35:50.356 just go in there and jam it out. And that's 0:35:50.436 --> 0:35:53.396 exactly what you're hearing on this recording and Sonata and 0:35:53.396 --> 0:35:55.676 all the recordings of the record, like and same thing 0:35:55.716 --> 0:35:57.316 we had, like the mike and me and John would 0:35:57.316 --> 0:35:59.276 be us into the drum doing the or Bud doing 0:35:59.276 --> 0:36:01.876 the drum takes and uh, Eric on bass are on 0:36:01.956 --> 0:36:05.276 the keys and uh, I mean that's just like how 0:36:05.436 --> 0:36:07.436 good music is made, you know. And we're smiling the 0:36:07.476 --> 0:36:09.916 whole time. And then we break for lunch and go 0:36:09.956 --> 0:36:12.596 take a little walk sunny Sampedro and it was just 0:36:12.636 --> 0:36:15.076 like such a cool experience there for a couple of weeks, 0:36:15.116 --> 0:36:16.996 I think, and they're like, yeah, how. 0:36:16.836 --> 0:36:19.276 Many songs do you guys recorded in Pedro for the 0:36:19.356 --> 0:36:20.196 for the news shoot? 0:36:20.876 --> 0:36:23.156 It was like sixteen or something. 0:36:23.356 --> 0:36:26.516 I think about sixteen we did, and we did even 0:36:26.556 --> 0:36:28.716 more if you count the jams, because sometimes he just 0:36:28.756 --> 0:36:30.236 turned it on to be like all right, start jamming. 0:36:31.796 --> 0:36:33.796 You guys must say like what did you guys. First jam. 0:36:35.556 --> 0:36:37.836 Honestly, the very very first time was it was it 0:36:37.956 --> 0:36:39.116 Doug's birthday party. 0:36:39.116 --> 0:36:44.676 That's right. Yeah, we have a common employer. We both 0:36:44.676 --> 0:36:46.996 worked at Billings Hardware growing up in Long Beach. 0:36:46.876 --> 0:36:48.516 Right down the street from here on Second Street. 0:36:51.276 --> 0:36:51.996 Shoutout Doug. 0:36:52.036 --> 0:36:55.596 Doug had his fiftieth birthday party and he had invited me. 0:36:56.236 --> 0:36:59.756 Doug got me into jeeping. He's he's really big and 0:37:01.236 --> 0:37:05.236 driving jeeps off roading. Yeah, yeah, cool enough, you're good. 0:37:06.196 --> 0:37:08.076 And uh so he was like, yeah, We're having a 0:37:08.116 --> 0:37:10.116 little party out of my house in the desert and 0:37:10.156 --> 0:37:12.676 I have a bunch of jeeps out there, and you know, like, oh, 0:37:13.156 --> 0:37:16.796 cave in and cave exploring. Because he's a spilunker. He's actually 0:37:16.836 --> 0:37:18.556 an underground cartographer. 0:37:18.716 --> 0:37:20.116 Dude. I don't know how he does that. That stuff 0:37:20.156 --> 0:37:21.956 gives me nightmares, Like I brave. 0:37:22.236 --> 0:37:26.436 He like maps, like underground cave systems for foreign governments 0:37:26.476 --> 0:37:28.476 and stuff too. It's on the side what. 0:37:28.756 --> 0:37:34.396 Yeah, draining cartography. It's nuts, dude, and it's dangerous if 0:37:34.436 --> 0:37:36.196 you have you're the first dude in the cave mapping 0:37:36.236 --> 0:37:36.476 it out. 0:37:36.836 --> 0:37:38.436 It was one thing to be like adventures, like I'm 0:37:38.436 --> 0:37:39.956 going to just go for it and try it out, 0:37:39.956 --> 0:37:41.596 and like that's like a hobby. But to do that 0:37:41.636 --> 0:37:42.396 for form got. 0:37:42.316 --> 0:37:49.756 Like carry's canary in his pocket, see that sweety bird. Yeah. 0:37:49.796 --> 0:37:52.476 So it went out to his fiftieth birthday and he 0:37:52.476 --> 0:37:53.796 said there was going to be a band out there. 0:37:53.796 --> 0:37:56.476 He's like, oh yeah, probably a Z man will probably 0:37:56.476 --> 0:37:58.636 be out here or something like that. He was, And 0:37:59.556 --> 0:38:02.236 I show up and Jake was out there with his band, 0:38:02.556 --> 0:38:03.476 like a right. 0:38:03.556 --> 0:38:05.516 We were playing some punk tunes or whatever. It was 0:38:05.636 --> 0:38:08.796 very early in my in my musical learning. I think 0:38:08.796 --> 0:38:12.196 I was like eighteen, what year like maybe? Oh man, 0:38:12.276 --> 0:38:15.556 if I was eighteen, no, no, this would have been 0:38:15.556 --> 0:38:18.196 more like twenty fifteen maybe. 0:38:18.276 --> 0:38:21.596 Yeah, all right, right fourteen maybe yeah, right around there. 0:38:23.036 --> 0:38:25.276 So you saw Jacob out there with his band. 0:38:25.436 --> 0:38:27.676 Yeah, he just jumped up on the drums and played 0:38:27.716 --> 0:38:28.316 a couple of songs. 0:38:28.556 --> 0:38:30.036 Yeah, just kicked it. It was fun. 0:38:30.116 --> 0:38:30.676 Yeah. 0:38:30.716 --> 0:38:33.636 And then the next day we did some caving and uh, 0:38:34.116 --> 0:38:37.716 very very light because you know, because Doug's a real deal. 0:38:37.996 --> 0:38:39.876 And then I totally blew it. I'm taking I had 0:38:39.876 --> 0:38:42.196 think I had a Forerunner at No, it wasn't a 0:38:42.196 --> 0:38:44.236 four runner. It was an FJ Cruiser. And I got 0:38:44.236 --> 0:38:48.516 it caught in the dirt, and then Bud and Doug 0:38:48.596 --> 0:38:50.236 came in and winched it out of the out of 0:38:50.276 --> 0:38:50.956 the sand. 0:38:51.436 --> 0:38:53.636 Got him unstuck. Oh yeah, oh, put. 0:38:53.516 --> 0:38:56.516 A bunch of brush underneath the tire and stuff and 0:38:56.716 --> 0:38:57.436 got unstuck. 0:38:57.916 --> 0:39:00.636 I was about to ask, was Eric there that day? 0:39:00.556 --> 0:39:01.076 He washed it? 0:39:01.236 --> 0:39:04.676 Was not there that day. But he's from Doug too. 0:39:06.596 --> 0:39:07.836 Eric's Eric's good friends. 0:39:07.636 --> 0:39:10.396 With Dun from from as On Billions. 0:39:11.676 --> 0:39:12.716 Talking about Doug Billions. 0:39:12.956 --> 0:39:15.156 Yeah, yeah, Doug Buildings. 0:39:15.476 --> 0:39:19.916 Set you up here with the great to meet you man. 0:39:19.956 --> 0:39:20.436 How's you going? 0:39:21.996 --> 0:39:25.356 When Eric still lived down here when I started working there, 0:39:25.356 --> 0:39:27.036 he would still come into the shop all the time. 0:39:27.516 --> 0:39:31.076 Yeah, when did you guys? When did you guys first jam? 0:39:31.156 --> 0:39:31.876 Then with Eric? 0:39:32.556 --> 0:39:34.836 Yeah, all three of us together kind of same thing. 0:39:35.076 --> 0:39:36.836 So me and Bud, you know, we see each other's show, 0:39:36.916 --> 0:39:39.356 jam a little bit. Me and Eric, we saw each 0:39:39.356 --> 0:39:41.036 other the show would hop up, jam a little bit 0:39:41.076 --> 0:39:42.996 that happened like with his band, spray aling and stuff. 0:39:43.356 --> 0:39:45.276 And then the three of us jam for the very 0:39:45.356 --> 0:39:48.676 first time to prepare for the hr benefit show, to 0:39:48.716 --> 0:39:52.596 see if we dug it and it made sense? H yeah, 0:39:53.116 --> 0:39:56.876 and uh, the terogram tetragram ballroom. 0:39:57.956 --> 0:40:01.596 Yeah yeah, and like what was uh, how did it 0:40:01.636 --> 0:40:04.996 feel like to do like actual, dude, it was cool 0:40:05.676 --> 0:40:07.436 show these songs. 0:40:09.236 --> 0:40:11.676 Yeah, I definitely felt right. There was a lot of 0:40:11.676 --> 0:40:16.356 healing going on in the room that night all definitely. Yeah, yeah, 0:40:16.436 --> 0:40:18.556 yeah it was. It was a pretty magical moment. 0:40:19.716 --> 0:40:21.756 My favorite is when I pick like some old obscure 0:40:21.756 --> 0:40:23.596 favorite that I love, and they'll look at each other like, man, 0:40:23.596 --> 0:40:25.516 I don't think I've played that for like twenty five years. 0:40:28.356 --> 0:40:31.276 They wrote it, so they remember it perfectly. At least 0:40:31.276 --> 0:40:32.196 to me, it sounds perfect. 0:40:32.316 --> 0:40:34.476 Yeah you are you? What's the process of learning the songs? 0:40:34.476 --> 0:40:35.876 Like are you do? I mean I imagine you can 0:40:35.916 --> 0:40:37.556 get most of them, but then to do occasionally have 0:40:37.596 --> 0:40:38.396 to ask them like. 0:40:38.476 --> 0:40:40.396 Yeah, well, you know, I've been invited to be uh, 0:40:40.556 --> 0:40:42.916 I've been invited to projects before to sing or to 0:40:42.916 --> 0:40:45.556 fill in and stuff for pre established materials. So I 0:40:45.596 --> 0:40:47.396 just go in and just try to listen all the material, 0:40:48.116 --> 0:40:50.276 watch a bunch of live sets the best of my ability, 0:40:50.316 --> 0:40:53.316 And then there have been some parts when I'm like, wait, 0:40:53.396 --> 0:40:55.276 it does it here on this recording? But is that 0:40:55.316 --> 0:40:56.876 how you guys? Did it live? So you know, there's 0:40:56.956 --> 0:40:59.556 sometimes there's differences about how we want to portray things, 0:40:59.716 --> 0:41:02.276 or sometimes just just cuz we'll switch things up a 0:41:02.316 --> 0:41:02.716 little bit. 0:41:03.076 --> 0:41:03.276 Yeah. 0:41:03.396 --> 0:41:07.076 Yeah, has your voice always sounded similar to your dads, 0:41:07.076 --> 0:41:09.236 like that close to your dads when you sing, or. 0:41:09.436 --> 0:41:11.356 I mean in the same way that like sometimes kids 0:41:11.396 --> 0:41:12.876 look like their parents and stuff like that. I think 0:41:12.916 --> 0:41:15.716 there's definitely like similarities, and people definitely tell me they 0:41:15.716 --> 0:41:18.516 hear it. I hear it more more times than others. 0:41:18.556 --> 0:41:22.316 But I mean, you can't, you know, you can't go 0:41:22.396 --> 0:41:24.556 and try to emulate something you're not all the time, 0:41:24.636 --> 0:41:26.396 Like I would try to get it as close as 0:41:26.396 --> 0:41:29.116 I can. Yeah, I'm never trying to insert my own 0:41:29.196 --> 0:41:32.756 interpretation of the material because that doesn't seem like if anything, 0:41:32.796 --> 0:41:34.796 I'm trying to be like, Okay, let's see how this 0:41:34.876 --> 0:41:38.356 type of singer my dad would would approach things and 0:41:38.396 --> 0:41:40.276 how he would deliver things and when to use vibroad 0:41:40.316 --> 0:41:42.836 and when not to. And I was much worse at it. 0:41:42.836 --> 0:41:44.356 I think a year ago when we started, I think 0:41:44.356 --> 0:41:46.276 it was still, you know, fun show for people to 0:41:46.276 --> 0:41:49.236 co see. But all the time I'm trying to improve, 0:41:49.596 --> 0:41:52.596 And so recently I actually started listening to the iso vocals. 0:41:52.756 --> 0:41:55.196 There's people up there who put it on YouTube where 0:41:55.196 --> 0:41:59.076 they isolate you know, drums based vocals, and so that 0:41:59.156 --> 0:42:02.836 helps a lot for me to hear hear the inflections 0:42:02.836 --> 0:42:05.316 and where things are supposed to go. But ultimately, you know, 0:42:05.356 --> 0:42:07.276 no plans to survive contact with the enemy. You know, 0:42:07.356 --> 0:42:09.796 when we're up there playing, it's all about just having 0:42:09.796 --> 0:42:11.596 fun and chaos. Yeah, that's all just to prepare. 0:42:13.116 --> 0:42:19.676 Well, Na's break and we'll be back with Sublime. But 0:42:19.716 --> 0:42:21.476 the studying has got to be a trip because like 0:42:21.596 --> 0:42:24.436 Bradley made some really weird choices. Like see, I don't 0:42:24.436 --> 0:42:26.196 know if there were conscious choices. It might have just 0:42:26.236 --> 0:42:28.116 been who he was and just come naturally. 0:42:28.156 --> 0:42:31.396 But like this is so cool, man, Like it's so cool. 0:42:31.596 --> 0:42:34.036 There's some parts where like musically, I'm like what were 0:42:34.076 --> 0:42:36.556 they thinking? Like no, who comes up with it? It's 0:42:36.596 --> 0:42:41.036 so rad just certain progressions or like, I don't know, 0:42:41.116 --> 0:42:42.596 it just it had the vibe of like kind of 0:42:42.596 --> 0:42:44.436 like budd was. We were talking earlier about like a 0:42:44.476 --> 0:42:47.076 self titled record and you guys just like nailing that 0:42:47.196 --> 0:42:50.276 sound you've been working up towards for so many years. 0:42:50.996 --> 0:42:53.156 And I think a big part of that component correct 0:42:53.156 --> 0:42:54.436 me I from wrong. But it's just like you know, 0:42:55.076 --> 0:42:57.956 just that that jam element and just almost turning your 0:42:57.996 --> 0:42:58.676 brain off, you know. 0:42:58.956 --> 0:42:59.436 Yeah. 0:42:59.516 --> 0:43:01.236 Yeah, so that's helped a lot for sure. 0:43:01.356 --> 0:43:05.236 Yeah, for you, Like the healing part of it, was 0:43:04.996 --> 0:43:07.876 that expected or did that feel? Was that a surprise? 0:43:08.156 --> 0:43:13.276 Just how right it felt? And so the weight of it, 0:43:13.316 --> 0:43:14.916 the gravity of it, the healing of it. 0:43:16.676 --> 0:43:19.356 Yeah, I guess no one expects something intense to happen, 0:43:21.116 --> 0:43:23.636 but uh, yeah, it felt right and it continues to. 0:43:24.476 --> 0:43:25.716 Yeah for sure. 0:43:26.756 --> 0:43:30.196 Was there a part of you that felt before green 0:43:30.276 --> 0:43:32.236 to do it, before doing it, that felt like maybe 0:43:32.276 --> 0:43:34.796 like maybe it's just too much, maybe it's too for me? 0:43:34.876 --> 0:43:37.756 Yeah, because I didn't want to like you know, it's 0:43:37.156 --> 0:43:40.356 it's it's tricky because I think especially fans, you know, 0:43:40.396 --> 0:43:44.356 they they get attached to what the fuck the band is? 0:43:44.396 --> 0:43:44.556 You know? 0:43:44.636 --> 0:43:47.436 That was that was real? So that's it, you know 0:43:47.476 --> 0:43:50.156 what I mean. I'm no surrogate or replacement or whatever. 0:43:50.196 --> 0:43:52.596 I think it's fun for people to see and we 0:43:52.636 --> 0:43:55.036 love jamming and writing music and continue that's what the 0:43:55.036 --> 0:43:57.916 three of us know how to do and work like families, 0:43:57.916 --> 0:43:59.476 so it makes sense for us. Can you to do it. 0:43:59.516 --> 0:44:01.956 But for a while, like understandably, I was like, well, 0:44:01.956 --> 0:44:04.516 I don't want to feel like I'm you know, replacing 0:44:04.676 --> 0:44:08.476 or stepping out of line or whatever or misutilizing uh 0:44:08.596 --> 0:44:11.676 you know, legs up or any any of that stuff. 0:44:11.676 --> 0:44:14.036 So all that factored in for sure, and still does. 0:44:14.276 --> 0:44:15.996 But at the end of the day, it's like, you know, 0:44:16.116 --> 0:44:18.356 we're not fucking caring cancer here, We're making rock music. 0:44:18.356 --> 0:44:19.276 We're having fun. 0:44:19.396 --> 0:44:20.996 Yeah, But I think I think that it's the way 0:44:20.996 --> 0:44:22.716 that we approached it. You know. It was like we 0:44:23.116 --> 0:44:26.556 did this, you know, for for you know, a friend. 0:44:26.596 --> 0:44:30.276 It was a benefit show, and yeah, that's that's where 0:44:30.316 --> 0:44:32.356 where it was. It wasn't like we're going to put 0:44:32.396 --> 0:44:34.876 this together. We're going to go do this, We're going 0:44:34.956 --> 0:44:37.516 on tour and we're going to make a record. Okay, 0:44:37.636 --> 0:44:38.156 get ready. 0:44:38.236 --> 0:44:39.116 Yeah, there was no plan. 0:44:39.156 --> 0:44:41.076 It wasn't it wasn't like that, and you know, and 0:44:41.116 --> 0:44:43.556 so it was like, you know, there for me, there 0:44:43.636 --> 0:44:46.396 was thoughts, you know, because you know, I mean, you know, 0:44:46.436 --> 0:44:49.556 we tried to do this before with Rome, you know, 0:44:49.876 --> 0:44:52.916 and and uh, you know, at the time, it seemed 0:44:52.956 --> 0:44:54.756 like the right thing to do, but then after I 0:44:54.796 --> 0:44:57.356 got into it, a couple of years later, it just 0:44:57.516 --> 0:44:59.796 it wasn't right for me. It didn't feel right for me, 0:44:59.916 --> 0:45:02.956 and so I had to step back. And then so 0:45:03.076 --> 0:45:06.996 when we were approached, you know, to do this thing, 0:45:07.276 --> 0:45:11.356 you know, it was like, well, okay, it's just a 0:45:11.756 --> 0:45:14.876 one off kind of thing, you know, and so it 0:45:14.916 --> 0:45:17.996 was like, you know, talk about it, you know with 0:45:18.076 --> 0:45:19.996 other friends, were like, you know, you guys could probably 0:45:20.036 --> 0:45:22.996 really do this, and it's like, well, you know, like 0:45:23.156 --> 0:45:25.276 Eric said, let's see if we can even jam together. 0:45:25.636 --> 0:45:28.076 You know, yeah, they start there, yeah, you know, and 0:45:28.116 --> 0:45:31.436 then so once it once it kind of happened, you know, 0:45:31.556 --> 0:45:35.236 at that show, it was just like the feeling, you know, 0:45:35.276 --> 0:45:39.716 it was so incredibly real and felt so right that 0:45:39.796 --> 0:45:43.556 it was like, yeah, this is this is what needs 0:45:43.596 --> 0:45:44.036 to happen. 0:45:44.556 --> 0:45:46.796 And it did kind of snowball naturally, like it was 0:45:46.876 --> 0:45:49.356 just that show and we jammed out and practiced for that. 0:45:49.396 --> 0:45:52.036 And then it's like our buddy Joe's friend with Paul Toillette, 0:45:52.036 --> 0:45:54.236 and he's just a big you know, skopunk fan, you know, 0:45:54.436 --> 0:45:56.436 in that year, he had like no doubt and stuff. 0:45:56.476 --> 0:45:58.036 So he's like, oh, why do you guys do this? 0:45:58.076 --> 0:46:00.356 Coello Paul who puts on Coachello. Yeah, he started out 0:46:00.356 --> 0:46:01.516 as like a just a punk promoter. 0:46:02.676 --> 0:46:05.196 So it's just one thing after another kind of led 0:46:05.676 --> 0:46:08.196 lead fell in together, and I remember it was so 0:46:08.476 --> 0:46:10.156 like not thought. Like one time we were jamming and 0:46:10.196 --> 0:46:11.436 I was like, you know, I'll be honest, like I'm 0:46:11.436 --> 0:46:13.556 not I don't see myself as much a guitar player 0:46:13.596 --> 0:46:15.636 like my dad shredded, like Jimmy Hendrix is just not 0:46:15.676 --> 0:46:18.516 My fourte can be serviceable here and there, but I'm like, 0:46:18.796 --> 0:46:20.356 who should we get to is like a Shredder? And 0:46:20.356 --> 0:46:22.556 then Eric's like, I think he's just like called Trey 0:46:22.596 --> 0:46:24.436 and he was like, hey, Trey, Derek, do you want 0:46:24.436 --> 0:46:28.036 to come play with them? It's just like so natural, 0:46:28.076 --> 0:46:30.836 And I was like we got some tracks and DJ stuff. 0:46:30.836 --> 0:46:32.516 And then I just called Dougie because I see him 0:46:32.516 --> 0:46:34.076 all the time at Ho Dads. When I go down 0:46:34.116 --> 0:46:36.916 to San Diego, which he still works at that Who Dads, 0:46:38.076 --> 0:46:40.596 he still curls up burgers really yeah, because he's just 0:46:40.596 --> 0:46:43.436 that's his Dougie man. He rocks and the five of 0:46:43.516 --> 0:46:45.916 us all go up there and play. And then you know, 0:46:45.956 --> 0:46:47.596 I got a bunch of friends who were young musicians, 0:46:47.596 --> 0:46:49.076 and I'm always trying to hook up and stuff. So 0:46:49.156 --> 0:46:51.396 my buddies A and O, who's just an insanely gifted 0:46:51.436 --> 0:46:53.356 guitar player, I'm always like, dude, you play the song, 0:46:53.476 --> 0:46:55.236 I hand him my guitar is my guitar tech. And 0:46:55.276 --> 0:46:57.796 it's just or if our buddy Gobbo's in town, he's 0:46:57.836 --> 0:47:00.476 you know, fluent Spanish speaker, I'm like, they'll probably rather 0:47:00.556 --> 0:47:02.796 listen to you do that part, you know what I mean. Like, 0:47:03.676 --> 0:47:06.036 and so it's just that's like the fun of it, dude. 0:47:06.076 --> 0:47:08.396 Like I grew up actually listened to a lot of 0:47:08.476 --> 0:47:11.236 the og Long Beach Dub stuff too. My mom it's 0:47:11.276 --> 0:47:13.756 always said it's like our favorite band. So like to me, 0:47:13.796 --> 0:47:16.236 it was just this fun collaborative like I don't know, 0:47:16.276 --> 0:47:19.236 everyone's just just adding in their part and stuff like that. 0:47:19.276 --> 0:47:21.716 So that's always been an element that's made these this 0:47:21.796 --> 0:47:23.356 last year really exciting and fun to me. 0:47:23.916 --> 0:47:26.316 Yeah, that that that spirit comes through because like you know, 0:47:26.356 --> 0:47:28.356 when the song got sent to me and I put 0:47:28.356 --> 0:47:30.396 it on, I was like, before I put it on, 0:47:30.476 --> 0:47:32.676 I was little like you alow like, oh man, like 0:47:32.756 --> 0:47:34.596 its gonna be you just hope it's good because you're like, 0:47:34.636 --> 0:47:36.236 oh man, like it's like otherwise it might be a 0:47:36.276 --> 0:47:39.396 little awkward. It's like and you put on you like 0:47:39.476 --> 0:47:41.036 not and it's like not just that, it's good, it's 0:47:41.036 --> 0:47:43.596 like the spirit the original, Like I saying like that. 0:47:43.636 --> 0:47:47.276 The there's just a vibe to it that feels very 0:47:47.276 --> 0:47:50.756 authentic and natural and it feels quite frankly, it feels 0:47:50.756 --> 0:47:51.876 like a lot like Long Beach too. 0:47:51.916 --> 0:47:53.996 You know, we actually switched. The first few songs were 0:47:54.036 --> 0:47:56.956 glam metal. We were gonna make a huge shift and 0:47:57.156 --> 0:47:59.836 see we got this great foundation hook up with this 0:47:59.956 --> 0:48:00.676 makeup company. 0:48:01.236 --> 0:48:03.676 Metal with show tunes, with. 0:48:03.756 --> 0:48:04.876 Show tunes combined. 0:48:05.116 --> 0:48:07.676 Is that's what we did with the rock and reggae. 0:48:07.716 --> 0:48:11.316 But it's you know, it's show tunes and and butt rock. 0:48:11.556 --> 0:48:14.636 But yeah, and we're just gonna merge these two genres. 0:48:15.156 --> 0:48:16.516 I would have love I would have loved to I 0:48:16.556 --> 0:48:20.676 would like to hear those I'd like to hear those tapes. 0:48:21.916 --> 0:48:23.676 But I know, I know the feeling to talk about you, 0:48:23.676 --> 0:48:26.516 you're never sure when people you know beloved bands from 0:48:26.556 --> 0:48:28.916 another era, it's like, oh, here's some more music. It's 0:48:29.116 --> 0:48:31.836 always kind of a coin toss. But so far, the 0:48:31.956 --> 0:48:34.596 reaction from all our fans and from new fans too. 0:48:34.596 --> 0:48:36.676 We're getting new fans now from It's just it's been 0:48:36.716 --> 0:48:37.316 so cool, dude. 0:48:37.396 --> 0:48:41.716 Yeah, how many how many songs are on the new 0:48:42.036 --> 0:48:42.596 the new album? 0:48:42.596 --> 0:48:44.756 Well, we're still piecing it all together. But like but said, 0:48:44.756 --> 0:48:47.436 I think we did like sixteen tracks and then maybe 0:48:47.436 --> 0:48:50.396 we'll do some interludes in there and then some jams 0:48:50.436 --> 0:48:52.756 and stuff. It'll probably like probably like an eighteen track record. 0:48:52.956 --> 0:48:54.636 And is Travis Barker and volved. 0:48:55.196 --> 0:48:57.676 No, me, me and my buddy did some writing sessions 0:48:57.676 --> 0:49:00.556 with him. But the songs that we did, which are 0:49:00.556 --> 0:49:03.516 really cool, they're just they were made separately from what 0:49:03.556 --> 0:49:06.436 we did over in Sam Pedro. So I think in 0:49:06.476 --> 0:49:07.956 the future be cool to get all three of us 0:49:07.996 --> 0:49:09.716 over there. At first, it was just like write and 0:49:09.716 --> 0:49:12.476 get some ideas. So if the three of us went in, 0:49:12.556 --> 0:49:15.076 I think that's what makes it like actual sublime. You know, 0:49:15.116 --> 0:49:18.276 we would have to all do it together. But Travl's cool, man, 0:49:18.596 --> 0:49:20.036 I mean, it was this a epitaph situation. 0:49:20.156 --> 0:49:20.796 You just went to try. 0:49:21.116 --> 0:49:23.556 No, actually, I think took some stuff up and just 0:49:23.596 --> 0:49:26.196 friends of friends who were just like, yeah, they want 0:49:26.196 --> 0:49:27.676 to do this, they want to link up and so, 0:49:28.116 --> 0:49:29.716 but it was very informal you know, it's not like 0:49:29.756 --> 0:49:33.716 there's a contract sign. It was mainly just hanging out. Yeah, yeah, no. 0:49:33.676 --> 0:49:35.436 And it feels it feels I mean, it's just like 0:49:35.476 --> 0:49:39.596 two from like the outsider perspective, the fan perspective, the 0:49:39.636 --> 0:49:41.596 thing that seems so cool about it too, and then 0:49:41.596 --> 0:49:44.476 why I'm so happy also that it works and that 0:49:44.516 --> 0:49:46.316 it all came together so organically. It's like, you know, 0:49:46.476 --> 0:49:49.156 like to a point earlier, like getting the rug pulled 0:49:49.156 --> 0:49:51.316 out from under you guys, the way that you did, 0:49:51.876 --> 0:49:53.556 and then and then for you too, man, like you know, 0:49:53.676 --> 0:49:57.596 like just you know, kind of in a more profound way, 0:49:57.636 --> 0:49:58.996 you know, losing your pop. 0:49:58.996 --> 0:50:01.316 So no, yeah, we were talking earlier about how this 0:50:01.476 --> 0:50:05.196 whole history of Sublime is is so unique and truly 0:50:05.196 --> 0:50:07.596 what we're doing right now is is interesting because you 0:50:07.756 --> 0:50:13.396 have this perspective from multiple generations about how music is 0:50:13.436 --> 0:50:15.476 involved in people's lives. I feel like, sort of like 0:50:15.516 --> 0:50:18.156 the little thesis statement for this whole discussion here, you 0:50:18.156 --> 0:50:19.516 know what I mean, or just some some stuff for 0:50:19.516 --> 0:50:21.236 people to chew on out there, I guess, is how 0:50:21.276 --> 0:50:25.956 we you know, how we absorb music, how we consume it, 0:50:25.996 --> 0:50:28.636 and then how we use it to affect other people's 0:50:28.636 --> 0:50:30.956 lives and stuff like that, And like we've been saying too, 0:50:30.996 --> 0:50:33.916 when you come out to the shows, all generations are 0:50:34.236 --> 0:50:38.276 present in attendance and smiling and having fun and creating 0:50:38.276 --> 0:50:42.156 those new memories. So yeah, I think the unique perspectives 0:50:42.196 --> 0:50:44.796 that we all bring to the table is super present 0:50:44.836 --> 0:50:46.716 in the record and in our performances. 0:50:46.876 --> 0:50:49.636 Yeah, do you guys, do you guys think about Bradley 0:50:49.716 --> 0:50:51.276 much when you're playing with Jacob? 0:50:51.396 --> 0:50:58.676 Like, yeah, yeah, it's a feeling. 0:50:59.356 --> 0:51:03.436 Yeah, for sure. It's good evidence because I was always 0:51:03.436 --> 0:51:05.516 thought my dad was like the Maleman because my beard's red. 0:51:09.156 --> 0:51:10.196 It's definitive proof. 0:51:10.276 --> 0:51:11.636 Told my grandpa the other day, He's like, well, I 0:51:11.636 --> 0:51:12.676 guess we finally got proof. 0:51:15.596 --> 0:51:17.596 How is your family? Is your family happy you're doing it? 0:51:17.596 --> 0:51:17.876 Are they? 0:51:18.036 --> 0:51:18.316 Are they? 0:51:18.396 --> 0:51:19.556 Is it totally dude? 0:51:19.636 --> 0:51:22.876 Yeah, No, they're so happy. Like it's you know, they 0:51:22.916 --> 0:51:25.476 all grew up cruising over to my grandparents. It's just 0:51:25.516 --> 0:51:26.836 like like you said, it's like healing. 0:51:26.876 --> 0:51:27.036 You know. 0:51:27.036 --> 0:51:29.836 They're my grandpa, doesn't you know. He's he's very very 0:51:29.836 --> 0:51:32.036 old now, so he just kind of chills on his 0:51:32.116 --> 0:51:34.676 patio these days, and he's just very mellow and chilled 0:51:34.676 --> 0:51:37.236 out and stuff, but he hears about it, and then 0:51:37.236 --> 0:51:40.156 my grandma sees like all our faces in the newspaper 0:51:40.196 --> 0:51:43.156 and stuff, and they just see us doing good and thriving. 0:51:43.236 --> 0:51:45.236 So I think for them it's a it's a special 0:51:45.276 --> 0:51:46.116 experience for sure. 0:51:46.356 --> 0:51:49.796 Yeah, yeah, what was for you guys? I was always 0:51:49.876 --> 0:51:52.396 used what was like when the album came out and 0:51:52.436 --> 0:51:54.756 with such a success the Sublime album, we kind of 0:51:54.796 --> 0:51:57.876 had to go sell the record still, which is kind 0:51:57.876 --> 0:52:01.196 of crazy and deal with the label and you now. 0:52:01.276 --> 0:52:04.036 It was like a bittersweet because you know, yeah, there's 0:52:04.036 --> 0:52:07.796 a wold bunch of albums, but we just lost our 0:52:08.556 --> 0:52:11.276 just friendly business partner alone. 0:52:12.396 --> 0:52:12.596 Yeah. 0:52:12.676 --> 0:52:17.156 I remember we uh turned down a interview on the 0:52:17.196 --> 0:52:20.396 Howard Stern Show right after, So there was there was 0:52:20.396 --> 0:52:23.276 a lot of press, you know, and stuff like you said, 0:52:23.356 --> 0:52:26.116 you know, I have to sell the record and and 0:52:26.156 --> 0:52:29.316 so interviews and and things like that, but we had 0:52:29.316 --> 0:52:31.836 to kind of be selective. At first, it was like, oh, yeah, 0:52:31.876 --> 0:52:33.876 we're going to talk about this, this stuff is real, 0:52:33.916 --> 0:52:37.276 But then we started realizing that certain people were just 0:52:39.156 --> 0:52:44.236 using our our emotional torment to better their personal situation. 0:52:44.876 --> 0:52:47.236 So it was like, all right, well, we definitely don't 0:52:47.276 --> 0:52:51.436 want to go on the Stren Show. I hit below 0:52:51.556 --> 0:53:01.556 the Belt, he might get hit back home. Arn. So yeah, 0:53:01.796 --> 0:53:04.796 we uh but yeah it was you know, it was wild, 0:53:04.836 --> 0:53:06.836 but we you know, we took our We took our time. 0:53:06.916 --> 0:53:09.716 You know. The record label wanted us to to find 0:53:10.036 --> 0:53:12.916 a fill in, you know, and immediately it was just 0:53:13.116 --> 0:53:19.636 shut down. And it's along came the Long Beast of 0:53:19.756 --> 0:53:22.756 All Stars, which was a group of our friends. You know. 0:53:22.836 --> 0:53:26.796 It was Opie, our artists that Drew the Sun, and 0:53:26.956 --> 0:53:31.716 Marshall Goodman, Miguel you know, and other other neighborhood friends. 0:53:31.796 --> 0:53:34.556 Jack Manus, He's sang Rivers of Babylon, you know, he 0:53:34.676 --> 0:53:36.556 was always around. I went to school with them to 0:53:36.836 --> 0:53:39.196 so you know, it was just a group of neighborhood friends. 0:53:39.196 --> 0:53:41.876 Once again, just keeping true to our roots and sticking, 0:53:42.076 --> 0:53:43.436 you know, to our recipe. 0:53:43.476 --> 0:53:43.636 You know. 0:53:43.876 --> 0:53:47.156 But we uh, we realized that that the record label 0:53:47.236 --> 0:53:50.756 had the rights of first refusal to our next project. 0:53:50.796 --> 0:53:51.636 That's what I was wondering. 0:53:51.716 --> 0:53:54.956 Yeah, so Eric and I all of a sudden we 0:53:54.956 --> 0:53:58.916 weren't seeing it. Well. We found we had an attorney 0:53:58.996 --> 0:54:02.396 look into the contract and found that the record label 0:54:02.476 --> 0:54:05.876 had to provide a recording. They had to pay for 0:54:05.916 --> 0:54:09.116 the recording for us, and so all of a, Sudd 0:54:09.156 --> 0:54:11.356 and Eric and I were no longer seeing eye to 0:54:11.436 --> 0:54:14.396 eye creatively. So we had two different projects that we 0:54:14.396 --> 0:54:16.356 were going to present to them because they had to 0:54:16.396 --> 0:54:19.796 provide each one of us individually with a recording. So 0:54:19.876 --> 0:54:23.796 we recorded our first punk rock band, Juice Bros. And 0:54:23.876 --> 0:54:26.796 put out a vinyl record on that, because we knew 0:54:26.796 --> 0:54:28.036 they weren't going to accept that. 0:54:28.756 --> 0:54:29.956 Yeah yeah, yeah, no one. 0:54:31.076 --> 0:54:33.076 So we're just trying to get out of our contract. 0:54:33.156 --> 0:54:35.956 So we basically handed them two shoe boxes full of 0:54:35.996 --> 0:54:41.196 dog shit and said, and uh, but we got we 0:54:41.236 --> 0:54:43.756 got two solid recordings out of that, or two of 0:54:43.756 --> 0:54:46.836 our side projects that we had worked on, and then 0:54:46.876 --> 0:54:49.596 we were free to do the longbie stub All Stars. 0:54:49.636 --> 0:54:52.596 And that turned out to be a real treat as well, 0:54:52.636 --> 0:54:56.716 because now here after, you know, the record comes out 0:54:56.796 --> 0:54:59.956 and we're now having to share publishing with all these 0:54:59.956 --> 0:55:03.276 great Jamaican artists, you know, like Half Pint, Barrington, Lee Vy, 0:55:03.836 --> 0:55:10.436 you know, and amongst others. The way we approached paying 0:55:10.476 --> 0:55:13.596 that that debt back was by recording songs for them. 0:55:13.716 --> 0:55:16.036 So we got to go into the studio and record 0:55:16.116 --> 0:55:20.036 with pipes and bread from Whaling Souls with Barrington with 0:55:20.316 --> 0:55:23.436 Half Pint, you know, they came out on tour with us, 0:55:23.796 --> 0:55:27.916 so you know, it was just it was it was 0:55:27.996 --> 0:55:32.316 amazing gift being able to play with our mentors, you know, 0:55:32.836 --> 0:55:36.396 and record with them. So it was just you know, 0:55:36.516 --> 0:55:39.036 and once again an amazing experience. I don't I don't 0:55:39.036 --> 0:55:42.556 know any other band that they has shared those kinds 0:55:42.556 --> 0:55:45.676 of experiences on the way that we have. 0:55:45.876 --> 0:55:47.556 Yeah, they had to be surreal to get to play 0:55:47.596 --> 0:55:49.476 with like the Actually, I mean I was asking it too, 0:55:49.516 --> 0:55:52.156 like to be able to share a stage with those guys. 0:55:51.916 --> 0:55:53.596 Right, you know what I mean, turn back to clocks. 0:55:53.596 --> 0:55:56.036 It could have been Bob Marley, you know, like holy. 0:55:56.396 --> 0:55:59.476 Yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, like you know, I guess 0:55:59.476 --> 0:56:01.796 maybe the closest would be like the Stones, you know, 0:56:01.796 --> 0:56:03.796 getting to play like Muddy Waters or something, you know, 0:56:03.916 --> 0:56:05.676 like bearn to be like a Half Pint. It's like 0:56:05.716 --> 0:56:09.676 your guys is you know, yeah, Howling Wolf and Waters 0:56:09.756 --> 0:56:11.956 or whatever, you know, and uh and Long Beach of 0:56:11.956 --> 0:56:14.556 All Stars had such a great run. You guys had 0:56:14.596 --> 0:56:16.836 an incredible run. You know, people loved going out and 0:56:16.836 --> 0:56:18.796 it was such a cool. It was just it was 0:56:18.916 --> 0:56:22.996 it was you know, getting to you know, bringing the 0:56:22.996 --> 0:56:27.316 whole sublime sort of the larger family together was Ah. 0:56:27.876 --> 0:56:32.316 It seemed like that was kept people fans going for 0:56:32.316 --> 0:56:33.636 for a long time. You know. 0:56:34.196 --> 0:56:37.036 It was a good way for us to heal too 0:56:37.196 --> 0:56:38.036 at the same time. 0:56:38.436 --> 0:56:41.596 Yeah, so you guys are doing warped tow tomorrow. 0:56:41.916 --> 0:56:46.236 Yeah, warped to her bright and early. We're excited. Six am, 0:56:46.636 --> 0:56:49.796 six am set, six am set, yep, yep. Because you 0:56:49.876 --> 0:56:52.476 know once Kevin, you know Limon, he still likes to 0:56:52.516 --> 0:56:54.796 mess with the set times on the board. So the 0:56:54.876 --> 0:56:56.716 rumor is he's gonna put us right at six am 0:56:56.716 --> 0:56:58.796 before doors open. It's like Hendricks, that would stock you 0:56:58.796 --> 0:57:02.276 guys just gonna should probably just start staying up now, 0:57:02.356 --> 0:57:06.196 you know, drop acid now you time Actually, if you 0:57:06.276 --> 0:57:09.156 time it, that's perfect. You'll be plateauing by their first. 0:57:09.356 --> 0:57:10.836 Yeah, but he got to open with you go now 0:57:10.836 --> 0:57:12.196 you gotta think about that because you got a whole 0:57:12.636 --> 0:57:17.716 whole crowd of people. Plats on. Man, Well, it's so 0:57:17.756 --> 0:57:20.436 great to meet you guys, and it's like a great 0:57:20.436 --> 0:57:20.876 talk dude. 0:57:20.916 --> 0:57:21.716 This is fun as hell. 0:57:21.756 --> 0:57:21.916 Man. 0:57:22.196 --> 0:57:24.996 Yeah, it's stoked. I'm stoke. We're all here in LBC. 0:57:24.916 --> 0:57:27.116 And it's a real honor man, you know, because it's 0:57:27.116 --> 0:57:28.516 like you guys are, like I said, we like you 0:57:28.556 --> 0:57:30.236 mentioned the top. We work at the same gym. I 0:57:30.276 --> 0:57:30.996 go outside. 0:57:31.116 --> 0:57:31.796 How low cool is this? 0:57:31.876 --> 0:57:33.836 It's so cool to see a blind wall. I see, 0:57:33.956 --> 0:57:36.116 I see you guys up there with Bradley and lou 0:57:36.196 --> 0:57:36.796 Dog and Dude. 0:57:36.796 --> 0:57:38.396 I was parked out in front of their earlier day 0:57:38.396 --> 0:57:40.956 because I had to do this this phone interview or whatever. 0:57:41.676 --> 0:57:44.996 I'm on the camera and he was talking about He's like, oh, yeah, 0:57:44.996 --> 0:57:46.516 I really like this one picture of you and your dad. 0:57:46.556 --> 0:57:48.116 I'm like, oh you do. And I just like drove home, 0:57:48.316 --> 0:57:51.996 like hear it is it's my Floyd's barber shop. Yeah yeah, 0:57:52.036 --> 0:57:53.716 And he's like, no way, it's so cool. Yeah, it's 0:57:53.716 --> 0:57:56.116 everywhere you look here. Man, it feels nice. It's home. 0:57:56.276 --> 0:57:57.876 Are you gonna keep your other band because you have 0:57:57.916 --> 0:58:00.316 other you guys, you know, other projects going. Are you gonna, Oh. 0:58:00.316 --> 0:58:02.796 Yeah, we all got time to do the various projects 0:58:02.836 --> 0:58:04.916 that we do in the side and stuff like that. 0:58:05.836 --> 0:58:06.116 Yeah. 0:58:06.196 --> 0:58:09.356 Yeah, we're still active. And I think it's very much 0:58:09.356 --> 0:58:13.076 adjacent to and inspired by, uh, that amazing era in 0:58:13.116 --> 0:58:15.596 the nineties Sublime and all the contemporaries and just the 0:58:15.636 --> 0:58:17.996 spirit of musicians that like to mix together genres that 0:58:18.036 --> 0:58:20.516 seem like they don't mix. Yeah, you know, maybe not 0:58:20.596 --> 0:58:22.516 glam metal and show tunes, but you never know it. 0:58:22.996 --> 0:58:24.196 You're a man out there. 0:58:24.116 --> 0:58:26.196 That's mixing those genres. And you got a cool demo. 0:58:26.316 --> 0:58:27.636 Send it, bro, We want to hear it. 0:58:27.796 --> 0:58:32.156 Release the glam metal, show tunes tapes and the Juice Boys. Yes, yes, 0:58:32.756 --> 0:58:37.036 the contract. That's what the people want. Man. Yeah, well, great, great, great, 0:58:37.036 --> 0:58:38.556 talk to you guys man, Good luck tomorrow, and you 0:58:38.596 --> 0:58:39.836 can't wait to listen to the rest album. 0:58:39.956 --> 0:58:41.516 I Care time to be cool Man. 0:58:46.036 --> 0:58:47.996 In the episode description, you'll find a link to a 0:58:48.076 --> 0:58:50.476 playlist of our favorite Sublime tracks. Be sure to check 0:58:50.516 --> 0:58:53.276 out YouTube dot com flash Broken Record podcast to see 0:58:53.316 --> 0:58:56.116 all of our video interviews, and be sure to follow 0:58:56.196 --> 0:58:58.836 us on Instagram at the Broken Record pot. You can 0:58:58.836 --> 0:59:01.876 follow us on Twitter at broken Record. Broken Record is 0:59:01.876 --> 0:59:04.116 produced and edited by Leah Rose with the marketing help 0:59:04.116 --> 0:59:07.636 from Eric Sandler and Jordan McMillan. 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