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Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you should know, a production of I

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Speaker 1: Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark,

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Speaker 1: and there's Charles w Chuck Bryant over there, and Jerry's

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Speaker 1: lingering somewhere out there, and this is the stuff you

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Speaker 1: should know. It's POGs. It's POGs. That's right. That's other

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Speaker 1: theme song. Way. Actually, I think it's a little more

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Speaker 1: extreme and in your face than that. Yeah. You know

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Speaker 1: who is a big pog enthusiast is friend of the show,

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Speaker 1: Jesse Thorne of the Maximum Fund Network. I did not

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Speaker 1: know that. I've heard him talk about it. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's he's the right age for that wheelhouse and uh,

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Speaker 1: I've heard him talk about it on Judge John Hodgman

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Speaker 1: and with great enthusiasm. And Mom always like, what are POGs?

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Speaker 1: I've never even heard of these? Because I'm an old Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean i'd heard the word before, but I had

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Speaker 1: no idea what really they were, what you did with

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Speaker 1: them or anything. Okay, so a little before your time too, then,

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Speaker 1: oh yeah, a lot after my time. I mean you

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Speaker 1: had to basically be ten eleven, maybe twelve, I'll give

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Speaker 1: you thirteen between and nine four very specific niche window.

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Speaker 1: But these things were so big that it's just like

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Speaker 1: if you were a kid in the nineties kind of thing,

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Speaker 1: like you played POGs, Like everybody was playing with POGs

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Speaker 1: for like two years, and it was kind of like

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Speaker 1: the definition of a flash in the Pan fad. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and we should think how stuffworks dot Com mental floss. Uh,

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Speaker 1: first we feast dot com. That was a good article.

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Speaker 1: It was pretty good. And then military dot Com for

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Speaker 1: a little cherry on top at the end. That's great.

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Speaker 1: We'd like to thank the military industrial Complex for the

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Speaker 1: cherry on top as a whole. So, Um, you're a

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Speaker 1: child of seventies. I'm a child the eighties. We had

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Speaker 1: our own thing. But again, this is a thing of

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Speaker 1: the nineties. And with POGs, um, it's like if you

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Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of a fad that was like

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Speaker 1: big when when we were young, and I really honestly

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Speaker 1: can't think of anything, not nothing akin to this. I mean,

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Speaker 1: like I want to say Nintendo maybe the original any yes,

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Speaker 1: but I would hardly call that a flash in the Pan,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, I mean, POGs to

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Speaker 1: me represent something different because they were they had two functions.

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Speaker 1: They functioned as kind of trading cards of sorts, but

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Speaker 1: it was also a game. Uh. And if you're listening

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Speaker 1: and frustrated already, we should say very quickly that POGs

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Speaker 1: these little circular discs, and we'll get into, you know,

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Speaker 1: the ins and outs of them, and this is our

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Speaker 1: one shot at explaining it right here. And there was

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Speaker 1: a played around them, which we will get into as well,

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Speaker 1: but they also functioned as things that kids would were

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Speaker 1: just obsessive about trading, like you have a a Pope

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Speaker 1: John Paul Park and I really want it, so I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna trade you my McDonald's pug and my I don't

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Speaker 1: even know what was popular in the nineties, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: that was probably be about it. There definitely were I've

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Speaker 1: seen pictures of them on the internet. Sure that means

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Speaker 1: trouble of photos shopping that, but I guess it's possible.

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Speaker 1: We should question everything we see on the internet, I guess.

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Speaker 1: And this also crosses over with The Simpsons because very

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Speaker 1: famously Millhouse traded Bart's soul away for a set of

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Speaker 1: POGs in one episode. That's right, and it comes full circle, Chuck,

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Speaker 1: because there were a lot of Simpsons POGs as well. Oh,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure can you name the character of um that

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Speaker 1: were on the POGs that Millhouse traded for? Do you know? Yes?

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Speaker 1: What alf h there were Alpha's back and pog form.

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Speaker 1: That's pretty funny. Yeah. So what I was trying to

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Speaker 1: went away very quickly. But the thing that makes them

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Speaker 1: interesting is not so much that there were some you know,

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Speaker 1: were actually based on a much older game, and that

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Speaker 1: that was actually based on a much older game as well,

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Speaker 1: recent iteration of this idea for a game that just

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Speaker 1: which I think make is a good distinction that makes

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Speaker 1: it kind of cooler and more interesting then Definitely your

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Speaker 1: average Furby or unless there were ancient Furbies that we

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Speaker 1: ancient Furbies. Those things were kind of nineties too, right,

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Speaker 1: we'll find something else. So we were talking about how POGs,

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Speaker 1: this game, these little discs that you you play with,

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Speaker 1: were based on a much older game. And uh, it

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Speaker 1: turns out that there was a person, a woman who

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Speaker 1: was a teacher and a guidance counselor in Hawaii at

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Speaker 1: um Way, a Lua elementary school in Oahu who in

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Speaker 1: to gather around children. I noticed that you guys are

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Speaker 1: playing a little rough on the playground. That dodgeball has

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Speaker 1: been coated with um tar and broken glass, and I'm

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Speaker 1: not very happy about that. I want you guys to

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Speaker 1: try something different. Let's try something that my grandparents used

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Speaker 1: little kid your age, and it's called milk caps. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna show you how to do it. And she introduced

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Speaker 1: would think it would be kind of snoozy, but I

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Speaker 1: think this demonstrates just how engrossing but also simple the

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Speaker 1: captured these school kids attention and then just spread like wildfires.

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Speaker 1: It's been put. Yeah, her name was She's got a

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Speaker 1: great name. Her name was Blossom Galbiso, fantastic name. And

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Speaker 1: this is like you said in and sadly she passed

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Speaker 1: she did. I've seen interviews with her, and um, there

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Speaker 1: of really nice. Oh, yes, last to live. It would

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Speaker 1: be really nice, actually, it would be. Yeah, she burned

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Speaker 1: more about this? And then? Yeah, I think we should

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Speaker 1: bottle of milk. They would use a cardboard cap to

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Speaker 1: and probably like you know, the latest day. It could

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Speaker 1: out of them, a game called milk caps, right, And

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Speaker 1: But they were playing with milk caps mainly. Uh. They're

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Speaker 1: these milk caps from Maui, the Leia Khala Dairy who um,

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Speaker 1: just fine. Sure, they did a great business. But then

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Speaker 1: they decided to make a new drink called Passion Orange

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Speaker 1: Guaba or Passion Fruit orange guava p o G. And

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Speaker 1: So those little caps, you know, that's where they got

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Speaker 1: the name. It was Passion food orange guaba. So they

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Speaker 1: became known as pog caps. And even though you know,

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Speaker 1: was sort of like the Kleenex, Like, everyone called him poggs,

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Speaker 1: But so this because it was a dairy, they were

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Speaker 1: and we don't. We drank so much pog we all

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Speaker 1: but we just can't drink anymore. Pog that's right. And

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Speaker 1: Stampac I don't think I named it. That was the

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Speaker 1: Canadian packaging company, Yes, yeah, which is still around today.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I looked him up. You can buy all

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Speaker 1: sorts of lids. I cannot find those cardboard Paul inserts

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Speaker 1: coffee lids, STAYM pack is your company to This episode,

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Speaker 1: by the way, is brought to you by Stampa. Uh.

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Speaker 1: Do they still have the pod juice? You can still

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Speaker 1: get that, right? I think it's like in a carton now. Yes, Um,

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Speaker 1: but you can make your own. It's just equal parts

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Speaker 1: passion fruit, quava, and orange. I've also seen that's best

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Speaker 1: It does, And now I'm seeing it's on a big

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Speaker 1: I think that's another company's because I saw that on

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Speaker 1: on and we'll get to this in a second, like

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00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 1: you're you're playing at school some but then the schools

426
00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 1: try and shut it down because it's very disruptive. So

427
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,080
Speaker 1: then you have to live in one of those great

428
00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: neighborhoods where there's thousands of houses and kids are just

429
00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,920
Speaker 1: all over the place. And you know, as I've said before,

430
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,200
Speaker 1: I grew up in the woods on two acres of

431
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 1: land with nary another child in sight except for my brother.

432
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,000
Speaker 1: So I think it kind of depended on that kind

433
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:50,360
Speaker 1: of after school trading in the cul De sact thing

434
00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 1: that I never got a piece of. No, you had

435
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,720
Speaker 1: to play POGs with dirt friend, the pile of dirt

436
00:24:55,760 --> 00:25:02,040
Speaker 1: you named your friend. I did have dirt friends. Funny.

437
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:04,920
Speaker 1: I wasn't trying to be funny. Okay, there is nothing

438
00:25:04,920 --> 00:25:08,679
Speaker 1: funny about that, chuck um mighty more from power rangements

439
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:11,800
Speaker 1: were another big one. Oh of course, I'm sure those. Yeah,

440
00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:14,000
Speaker 1: that was a big deal at the time, very huge.

441
00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,119
Speaker 1: And then like so yeah, if you if you wanted

442
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:18,520
Speaker 1: to brand the kids, this was a great opportunity to

443
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 1: do it. Now, legitimately you had to go through the

444
00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,720
Speaker 1: World Pog Federation because all these things were supposedly POGs,

445
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: and if you wanted to print your own pog it

446
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,560
Speaker 1: didn't matter who you were. You had to go license

447
00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:34,199
Speaker 1: the ability to do this from Alan Rapinski and the

448
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:38,720
Speaker 1: World Pog Federation. The problem is if you own the

449
00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: license the trademark to a little cardboard disc that anybody

450
00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: could make if they wanted to. Like, the technology is

451
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,480
Speaker 1: really easy and low hanging to make these kind of

452
00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 1: things that yes, it's going to be like a large

453
00:25:53,359 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: business like Taco Bell, who's just not going to be

454
00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:59,240
Speaker 1: bothered with a major lawsuit that will cost them more

455
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,080
Speaker 1: than it would to license the rights to make POGs

456
00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,480
Speaker 1: and give them out as like, you know, some promotional tool. Um.

457
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: But any like, anybody who's even remotely interested in the

458
00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:14,320
Speaker 1: knockoff market just doving head first into POGs, and the

459
00:26:14,359 --> 00:26:18,280
Speaker 1: market became saturated really fast, not just with Rapinski's officially

460
00:26:18,320 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: licensed POGs, there are plenty of those, but also just

461
00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:26,640
Speaker 1: knockoffs galore. Yeah. There there's a couple of staggering statistics here. Uh.

462
00:26:26,640 --> 00:26:30,359
Speaker 1: It says here in California alone, at one point, POGs

463
00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:34,159
Speaker 1: we're selling ten million dollars a week in one state

464
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:37,360
Speaker 1: and then uh and of course Jesse thorns from California,

465
00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:39,199
Speaker 1: so it may have been I mean, I know they

466
00:26:39,200 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: were nationwide and then worldwide, but I get the feeling

467
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: that California was a real pog hot spot. That's my

468
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:48,120
Speaker 1: impression as well. But in nineteen well, I guess there

469
00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 1: is pulp fiction year, um, three hundred and fifty million

470
00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:56,399
Speaker 1: POGs sold, so it was yeah, it was still going strong.

471
00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,919
Speaker 1: And ninety four yeah, yeah, so kids were trading gimp

472
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:07,160
Speaker 1: uh gift boggs. That's exactly one that say like I'm

473
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,360
Speaker 1: about to give medieval on. Yeah. So we we can

474
00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: conclude then, Chuck. Since they were still going strong in Blossom,

475
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,359
Speaker 1: Galbiso died. She did not have to see the end

476
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,720
Speaker 1: of the pog trend. She she went out on top,

477
00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,480
Speaker 1: look at that detective work. Isn't that great? And they

478
00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 1: buried her with a pog of the back of thing

479
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:31,440
Speaker 1: Raimes's head. That's right, with a band aid on it.

480
00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:36,359
Speaker 1: You want to take another break, sure quickly, that one

481
00:27:36,400 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: of plug. Since we're talking pulp fiction, I had Jack

482
00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:41,720
Speaker 1: O'Briens e guist on and we talked to pulp fiction

483
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,040
Speaker 1: and it's out in the world and it was a

484
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:47,360
Speaker 1: great discussion. So if you like pulp fiction and movie conversations,

485
00:27:47,560 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 1: check it out. And Jack O'Brien too. Jack's the best.

486
00:27:51,560 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Okay, so we're back. POGs have

487
00:28:11,760 --> 00:28:16,960
Speaker 1: burned bright. They've started to kind of fizzle though, right yeah,

488
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 1: And you know I kind of hinted at it. One

489
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:23,960
Speaker 1: of the reasons was that schools they had to clamp

490
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: down on the scene because there were fights over POGs.

491
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:31,679
Speaker 1: Because if you play, uh, if you played playing for keeps,

492
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: that meant and we'll go over the full I guess

493
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:36,480
Speaker 1: we kind of went over the game play. But should

494
00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,440
Speaker 1: we Yeah, you want to now? Yeah, I guess. So

495
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:41,400
Speaker 1: the first thing you decide is are you playing for

496
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: keeps or not? Playing for keeps means that you go

497
00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:47,640
Speaker 1: home with the POGs that you collect from your friends

498
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,280
Speaker 1: and you don't there's no gives these back ses, uh,

499
00:28:51,320 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 1: and those are those are serious games if you're ten

500
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 1: years old. You know, you know what's funny is you

501
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,240
Speaker 1: just used two terms used for marbles, which bears a

502
00:28:58,280 --> 00:29:00,880
Speaker 1: striking resemblance to POGs as well, or at least the

503
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:03,840
Speaker 1: way you play marbles and some of the rules involved. Yeah,

504
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,680
Speaker 1: because you collect these things as a kid, and you

505
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,400
Speaker 1: really if you have to give up that gimpo, Yeah,

506
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,959
Speaker 1: you're really upset that you've you've lost that thing. So

507
00:29:12,000 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: fights would break out and schools start to have to

508
00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:17,720
Speaker 1: clamp down and literally banned it in quite a few

509
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: countries at one point. Yeah, because I mean, also, this

510
00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: is a game of chance. We're going to tell you

511
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: how to play. In a second, it will become very

512
00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:30,000
Speaker 1: clear that's almost entirely luck. Um. And so it's gambling.

513
00:29:30,040 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: There's you know, if you're playing for chips and these things,

514
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 1: are you're playing for POGs? I mean, and these things

515
00:29:34,640 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 1: are coveted. Um. Yeah, little little kids don't necessarily deal

516
00:29:39,760 --> 00:29:44,000
Speaker 1: with loss like that, especially sudden, unexpected loss that they

517
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: hadn't really anticipated the consequences of. Um. And yeah, you

518
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: can get and fight to accuse people of stealing. It's

519
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 1: it was. POGs became problematic very quickly. But this was

520
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:58,479
Speaker 1: also during the same era where Bart Simpson, you know,

521
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: touting that he was an under achiever, got t shirts

522
00:30:02,320 --> 00:30:06,480
Speaker 1: of Bart Simpson banned in schools. So schools were seemingly

523
00:30:06,480 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 1: a little stricter back then in the early nineties than

524
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 1: they are today, although I can't say that they are today.

525
00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 1: It just seems strict now in retrospect. Yeah, I think

526
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 1: that's right. Um, And I'm gonna stop the people from

527
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,800
Speaker 1: emailing you right now. Do you a favor, my friend,

528
00:30:22,720 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: because you said that it's basically luck and I guarantee

529
00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:30,160
Speaker 1: you there are some thirty something to early forty something

530
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: Paul enthusiasts they're really mad at you right now that

531
00:30:34,040 --> 00:30:38,040
Speaker 1: had their POG technique down that they claim was like

532
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 1: superior to their friends and that there was skill involved. Well,

533
00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: I appreciate emails. You're saving me a bunch of time

534
00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:50,600
Speaker 1: replying to all those emails saying you are wrong, wrong, wrong,

535
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 1: because yeah, it is luck. So yeah, so let's talk

536
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,239
Speaker 1: about how to play this right. So, um, when you

537
00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,760
Speaker 1: play pog, you need basically a flat surface and a

538
00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,000
Speaker 1: bunch of POGs. You need at least one other person,

539
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 1: and from what I was reading on the internet, it

540
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,240
Speaker 1: seemed that that was usually how many people were in

541
00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: a pog match. There's two on one right, each person

542
00:31:12,000 --> 00:31:15,440
Speaker 1: puts up the same number of POGs, and apparently the

543
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 1: ideal stack of POGs is twelve. So each person is

544
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:23,440
Speaker 1: ponying up six POGs. Whether you coveted or not, I

545
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:25,840
Speaker 1: don't know. That's only if you want to follow the

546
00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: unofficial Pog and Cat Player's Handbook written by Jason Page exactly,

547
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: who probably knows what he's talking about, at least more

548
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:34,440
Speaker 1: than I do. So I'm going with his number. So

549
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: you form a stack of POGs and um, you get

550
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: what your hands on. What's called a slammer up. You

551
00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: got to say that part? Oh thanks man. So yeah,

552
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 1: if you look at a pog on one side, is

553
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,719
Speaker 1: basically what you like is the design on the other

554
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:52,239
Speaker 1: side through the blank or there's minimal design on it.

555
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,719
Speaker 1: It's very clear that there's one side that's like the

556
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,720
Speaker 1: face and you said their face up or down. You

557
00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,880
Speaker 1: put him face up. So you've got your stack with

558
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:03,920
Speaker 1: Bill Clinton on top and the other stack with the

559
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 1: gamp on top, going head to head, and that is

560
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: how you start the game. Oh is it okay? So

561
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: my understanding was that they were all in one stack.

562
00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: Oh no, no no, no, yeah, yeah, sorry chee okay, okay,

563
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: people are so mad at me right now. So then

564
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:18,320
Speaker 1: so they put them up against each other. Then you'd

565
00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 1: stack them on like all all on one. Yeah, okay,

566
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: so you've got a stack of twelve POGs. We should

567
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 1: probably edit and reduce this whole thing. I think this

568
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 1: is good. And then you take a slammer, and slammer

569
00:32:29,640 --> 00:32:32,920
Speaker 1: is basically a pog shaped object that it's almost like

570
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: a mini hockey puck. It's made of um, heavier material

571
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:41,480
Speaker 1: than pog than like cardboard, so it's like um like glass,

572
00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:44,200
Speaker 1: like a heavy glass kind of thing, or rubber or

573
00:32:44,280 --> 00:32:46,479
Speaker 1: metal or something like that. I wonder if there are

574
00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: restrictions on that. No, this is a free f all.

575
00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: Man Pog was a free fall, which is why the

576
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,160
Speaker 1: parents just didn't get it. You know why they couldn't

577
00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: stand it. You could so you could bring in like

578
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,120
Speaker 1: an iron slammer. I think so I saw that somewhere

579
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:02,160
Speaker 1: that that it was frowned upon among players because the

580
00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 1: metal would often dent at least the top pog, and

581
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 1: if that was your pog, you might be like, man,

582
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: that was what you do in my po right. Other

583
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 1: than that, I don't think that there were restrictions on

584
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: although you know, I'm sure informally there were a N

585
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 1: and zipper. But you you would take the slammer and

586
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,720
Speaker 1: you would toss it down. Now here's the part where

587
00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: you're referring to earlier that people were going to email

588
00:33:25,080 --> 00:33:28,840
Speaker 1: in about, because it does take some technique to slam

589
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 1: this thing down. Because if you miss, or if you

590
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: if you actually don't move the stack at all, that's

591
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: your turn. The other person gets their turn next. Um,

592
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:40,280
Speaker 1: So it does take some technique to hit the stack

593
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: in the first place, but then also to scatter him

594
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: in a certain way, right, And it's the scattering that's

595
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: the most important part of playing pog. Yeah, and you

596
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: know what, I know we're gonna get emails. I guarantee you.

597
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:54,320
Speaker 1: This is a game that had regional variations. It's just

598
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 1: got to be. It's one of those kids games where

599
00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 1: one playground might play it slightly different than another their

600
00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: playground as far as the rules go, absolutely, and that's

601
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stand by that because I know we're gonna

602
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,600
Speaker 1: get people that are going to contradict one another and

603
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:10,840
Speaker 1: say that their version was like how they played it

604
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: was the right way. But until I read that book

605
00:34:13,840 --> 00:34:17,239
Speaker 1: by Jason Page, which I'm never gonna do. Oh, I

606
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 1: don't know, maybe somebody will mail it to you. So, yeah,

607
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,760
Speaker 1: you slam this thing down and these, uh, this stack

608
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:26,359
Speaker 1: of POGs, if you hit it right, is gonna kind

609
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:31,000
Speaker 1: of scatter everywhere, like you said, And then some of

610
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,520
Speaker 1: them will have flipped over with the face side down.

611
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: Some will remain face side up, and that is sort

612
00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: of the key to the whole game. Yes, So the

613
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,040
Speaker 1: ones you've the ones that have landed face side up,

614
00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:45,960
Speaker 1: you get to keep. If it was your turn. Now,

615
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: those might be your buddies POGs, they might be your POGs,

616
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. Then you take the ones that are

617
00:34:51,960 --> 00:34:55,480
Speaker 1: still face side however they were stacked up, I think

618
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:57,879
Speaker 1: you're saying, and then you put them back into another stack,

619
00:34:57,920 --> 00:34:59,759
Speaker 1: and now it's the other player's turn, and you keep

620
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:03,239
Speaker 1: going back and forth until all of the POGs have

621
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: been turned over and kept. And however many POGs you

622
00:35:07,080 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 1: turned over, that's how many you get to keep. And

623
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 1: you know, again whether it's your POGs or the other

624
00:35:12,160 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: person's POGs. Ideally it's everybody's pots. And then there was

625
00:35:15,440 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: another there's another variation I saw that seems to have

626
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 1: been pretty widespread. It was the poison pog. And these

627
00:35:22,480 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: were usually like kind of a Memento moriy kind of thing,

628
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: like scary skulls on fire and you know, like an

629
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: eight ball kind of thing um, and it would say

630
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 1: poison pog and the poison pog if you put one

631
00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: of those in the stack, if you flip that one over,

632
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:40,840
Speaker 1: then you got all the all the POGs in that

633
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 1: stack on that one turn. Okay, I didn't see that.

634
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 1: And this is another frustration, because I went to some

635
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 1: YouTube videos of like gameplay videos, and I saw several

636
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:55,280
Speaker 1: that had described the game played differently than the others,

637
00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 1: which leads me to think that there were variations. Because

638
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: I saw one person say that you get to keep

639
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:04,319
Speaker 1: the POGs that are faced down, and that flies in

640
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 1: the face of everything I had heard from everyone else, right, Yeah,

641
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 1: and I think it just it's flipping it over from

642
00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,440
Speaker 1: the way it was before. I don't think it actually matters,

643
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: but but yes, you would want to you keep the

644
00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,560
Speaker 1: ones that you flip over, whether now they're face up

645
00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:22,400
Speaker 1: or down. Who cares, right? And then I saw another

646
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 1: where they said that you stack them every other one

647
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: is face up or down. But I didn't see that

648
00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: verified anywhere else either, So yeah, I didn't run into

649
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,839
Speaker 1: that one. Yeah, I just you know, people should say

650
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 1: like these were Michigan rules, you know, or something, right,

651
00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: So you know that slammer the heavier object that you

652
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:45,279
Speaker 1: throw onto the pog stack. Um, you can make them

653
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 1: out of all sorts of things, and they have different

654
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: They often had different like imagery on them as well.

655
00:36:50,840 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 1: But I saw one. I saw this in multiple places.

656
00:36:53,320 --> 00:36:55,319
Speaker 1: There was an O. J. Simpson one where it had

657
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:59,360
Speaker 1: a picture of Jimpson's behind behind bars, so he was

658
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 1: in the slam so he was on the slammer as well.

659
00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: That must have been a legendary slammer, because I did.

660
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: I saw that in a couple of plays. Slammer. I

661
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:12,239
Speaker 1: wonder if he got a piece of that. I don't

662
00:37:12,239 --> 00:37:14,880
Speaker 1: think so, man, And I don't think he's legally allowed

663
00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:18,120
Speaker 1: to keep it even if he did. And then one

664
00:37:18,160 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: day he would break into a hotel room and steal

665
00:37:20,000 --> 00:37:22,680
Speaker 1: those slammers. That's where I'd give you the slammers. Get

666
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:25,800
Speaker 1: him back, man. I saw a documentary on that robbery.

667
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:30,319
Speaker 1: It was nuts. Oh really, yeah, I guess it was no, no, no,

668
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 1: I'm sorry it was that. Um what was that like

669
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:37,520
Speaker 1: five part series on O J and the murders and

670
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: everything that did it? I don't remember. I know it

671
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 1: was just a documentary, I think, yeah, but the documentary series,

672
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: but yeah, they covered that robbery too, and it was

673
00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:53,800
Speaker 1: just just so casual and dumb and so casually dumb too,

674
00:37:53,880 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 1: you know, it really wasn't. So let's see. I think

675
00:38:00,800 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 1: we've explained how to play POGs about as thoroughly as

676
00:38:03,440 --> 00:38:06,560
Speaker 1: you possibly can, don't you think, So let's talk about

677
00:38:06,600 --> 00:38:10,000
Speaker 1: how they finally fizzled out. Well, you know, like I

678
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:12,680
Speaker 1: said earlier that I think the banning on the playgrounds

679
00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,440
Speaker 1: and then the banning or or at school, and then um,

680
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 1: I think the US, Canada, Sweden, Iceland, Germany, the UK

681
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: and Australia all banned these pieces in schools, and so

682
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: that's gonna put a damper on something. If you're stuck

683
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: at dumb school all day and you can't have your

684
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: POGs and you're just limited to the hours between three

685
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,640
Speaker 1: and six when mom and dad call you back to

686
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: eat dinner. Okay, on the one hand, but I also

687
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: saw a contemporary piece of journalism in the interviewed the

688
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: founder of um Trove USA, which was a big pog

689
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:52,479
Speaker 1: maker at the time, and uh, he speculated that those

690
00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: school bands actually increased pog sales and pro that, but

691
00:38:58,760 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: also probably prolonged interest because if kids have been free

692
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: to play these all the time, they would have lost

693
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: interest that much, that much faster. I mean, I think

694
00:39:07,520 --> 00:39:11,399
Speaker 1: ultimately that's what happened. It's it's like any or It's

695
00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:15,399
Speaker 1: like many kid fads that it just it becomes not cool.

696
00:39:15,440 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: You age out of it a little bit, and maybe

697
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:21,440
Speaker 1: the kids below you weren't interested, and it just goes away.

698
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't I don't think there's a smoking

699
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:30,359
Speaker 1: gun here to you besides o j um. Uh. Yeah,

700
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,799
Speaker 1: I would say, oh j is probably the culprit for

701
00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:38,160
Speaker 1: why bogs went away. Yeah, I think they said in

702
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:45,279
Speaker 1: Boys Life Magazine. In the issue of Boys Life Magazine,

703
00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:48,360
Speaker 1: they basically said it was it was done and not

704
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: cool anymore. So, yeah, they compared it to things like, um,

705
00:39:52,480 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: what's that one where you chase a hoop with a stick? Yeah,

706
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: like that, and playing marbles and all these old time

707
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 1: he's fads. They included pog among them already. Boys I said,

708
00:40:05,600 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: then it probably meant it went out by exactly, it

709
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:12,040
Speaker 1: was super out by then. So we kind of mentioned

710
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: Chuck that Holla Kala dairy um did not really benefit

711
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: from this, and they did financially, I'm sure cut of

712
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 1: all of that hundreds of millions of dollars that was

713
00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 1: flowing to the World Pog Federation for a couple of

714
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 1: years definitely boosted their annual revenue, I'm sure. But if you,

715
00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:34,399
Speaker 1: you know, talk to most people and say what does

716
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,560
Speaker 1: what does paug actually mean, they probably couldn't tell you.

717
00:40:38,000 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: And so in that respect, a lot of the articles

718
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: that I think both of us have seen about this

719
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: have pointed out quite rightly that you know that the

720
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 1: dairy really missed an opportunity to become like legendary or

721
00:40:49,719 --> 00:40:52,239
Speaker 1: become a part of the trend, and they were very

722
00:40:52,320 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: quickly separated. Poggs became their own thing in isolation with

723
00:40:57,840 --> 00:41:01,200
Speaker 1: with no boost whatsoever to the dairy. Now there's kind

724
00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 1: of like this kind of retro nod to it that

725
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,880
Speaker 1: that enough time has passed, enough people have written and

726
00:41:05,920 --> 00:41:08,399
Speaker 1: talked about it, that the dairy has been identified as

727
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 1: the source of of POGs originally, but it didn't happen

728
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,240
Speaker 1: at the time, and in this kind of retrospective about

729
00:41:15,280 --> 00:41:17,560
Speaker 1: it is not really probably going to help the dairy

730
00:41:17,640 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 1: very much. It was just sad, yeah, and you know

731
00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: why because they were a dairy, right, Like in this

732
00:41:24,040 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 1: one article that they spoke with this creative director at

733
00:41:27,520 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: a New York ad agency that was like, you know,

734
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:31,279
Speaker 1: this is why you really need to pay attention to

735
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 1: what your consumers doing with your brand, Like if they

736
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,000
Speaker 1: have off brand uses going on, you need to know

737
00:41:36,040 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: about to capitalize on it. And look at McDonald's and

738
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: like they're the perfect company with this stuff. And it's

739
00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 1: just like, man, they were a dairy that in Hawaii.

740
00:41:44,000 --> 00:41:46,719
Speaker 1: It didn't they didn't. They weren't paying attention to that,

741
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,799
Speaker 1: and they shouldn't have been expected to. I don't think sure, no, no,

742
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,680
Speaker 1: and certainly not. And I think also it's one of

743
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,439
Speaker 1: those things where the only way that they possibly could

744
00:41:54,480 --> 00:41:58,120
Speaker 1: have capitalized as if they had taken the gamble that

745
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,640
Speaker 1: this is going to be an enormous bad which would

746
00:42:00,640 --> 00:42:03,439
Speaker 1: take a tremendous amount of foresight, and then also would

747
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:05,560
Speaker 1: have had to have hired like a publicist like the

748
00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: guy that was um interviewed or quoted in that article.

749
00:42:09,880 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: Like they would have had to have figured it out,

750
00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: and then they could have possibly bungled it. It It would

751
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,759
Speaker 1: have been a big, a big deal. But also, yeah,

752
00:42:16,880 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: they're they're like you said, they're just they're a dairy

753
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,319
Speaker 1: and and that's not the way that they're thinking. But yeah,

754
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: and in hindsight, it's very easy to blame him. But regardless,

755
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: I mean it is it is a little sad that

756
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 1: they got kind of left behind, but I don't think

757
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,759
Speaker 1: that they were any like worse for the wear from

758
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: not having been on the pog crest along with the

759
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:39,480
Speaker 1: little caps a little mill. Uh, should we go to

760
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,760
Speaker 1: our cherry on top here at the end. Yeah, thanks

761
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 1: to the U. S. Military for this cherry on top. Again. Yeah,

762
00:42:45,360 --> 00:42:47,719
Speaker 1: this is interesting because I had no idea about this,

763
00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,040
Speaker 1: and uh, I should talk to my brother in law

764
00:42:50,080 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 1: because he's certainly been stationed overseas. But um, so, the

765
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: Army and Air Force exchange service stores. These are you know,

766
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 1: let's say, if the military is a seas in the

767
00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: Middle East or whatever, they're in Afghanistan and they set

768
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:08,000
Speaker 1: up these sort of temporary on base stores. They started

769
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:13,799
Speaker 1: issuing POGs, these little cardboard coins in November two thousand one.

770
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,919
Speaker 1: Because they were lighter than metal coins, you could ship

771
00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 1: them a lot cheaper overseas, and it was supposed to

772
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: be like a temporary thing, and you know, it said

773
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,560
Speaker 1: how much it was worth, basically, but then they started

774
00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:29,200
Speaker 1: having uh, pictures on it and and comic book characters

775
00:43:29,200 --> 00:43:33,360
Speaker 1: and NASCAR drivers and stuff like that. People just can't resist. No,

776
00:43:34,160 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: But they were essentially POGs, and you know, I don't

777
00:43:36,080 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 1: see anything that they actually played the game, but they

778
00:43:38,840 --> 00:43:43,640
Speaker 1: functioned as currency for American service people in Afghanistan since

779
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 1: two thousand one until just recently. Yeah, and then this

780
00:43:47,520 --> 00:43:51,359
Speaker 1: um was it military dot com article, Yeah, where they

781
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,800
Speaker 1: were basically you know, they interviewed a few people who

782
00:43:54,239 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: seemed a little like ver Clemp that these things are

783
00:43:56,840 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: phased out, because they were like this kind of weird

784
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:02,759
Speaker 1: little part of their their tour that had that you

785
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:05,080
Speaker 1: just wouldn't find anywhere else in the world. And the

786
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:09,240
Speaker 1: whole reason the military adopted POGs overseas, at least an Afghanistan,

787
00:44:09,640 --> 00:44:12,800
Speaker 1: is because it's just so much easier to chip um

788
00:44:12,840 --> 00:44:17,320
Speaker 1: to ship them and to chip in. Using them requires

789
00:44:17,360 --> 00:44:19,960
Speaker 1: less effort to toss them into the pot. But the

790
00:44:20,600 --> 00:44:22,720
Speaker 1: like if you I think a hundred dollars and quarters,

791
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 1: I saw ways almost six pounds and a hundred dollars

792
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: in these little POGs. Ways, you know, a fraction of that.

793
00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 1: So just in shipping costs alone, it made sense. But

794
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: apparently these these pog coins worm their ways into the

795
00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:43,000
Speaker 1: hearts of the U. S. Soldiers in Afghanistan. I love it. Yeah, well,

796
00:44:43,040 --> 00:44:47,560
Speaker 1: so long POGs, and so long the to the military

797
00:44:47,600 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: reincarnation of POGs. There are no POGs anywhere now in

798
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: the world at all. If you want to know more

799
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,760
Speaker 1: about POGs, just start looking them up on the internet

800
00:44:57,880 --> 00:44:59,800
Speaker 1: and see what you think. And since I said that's

801
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:06,600
Speaker 1: for a listener mail, I'm gonna call this slime Mold enthusiasts.

802
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:10,760
Speaker 1: And it's not from you. I know there's a fellow

803
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:14,640
Speaker 1: slime Old Enthusiasts I'm one of them. Do now, Hey, guys,

804
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: loved your slime Old episode. To figure it, I should

805
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,400
Speaker 1: crawl out from under the leaf litter and get in touch. Uh.

806
00:45:20,920 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: It's pretty good, Huh. I got slime Olds about ten

807
00:45:23,960 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: years ago for a kid's lecture and started giving it

808
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: away so other people could play with these funky, chilled

809
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:31,840
Speaker 1: out beings without having to fork over hard to earn cash.

810
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 1: You can drive them out on paper, cut them into

811
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 1: portions and pop them in the post, which makes things

812
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Speaker 1: very easy. Things kind of snowball quickly. I've now posted

813
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Speaker 1: it to this means mailed for our American listeners. Very nice.

814
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,479
Speaker 1: I've now posted it to around twenty five countries. RAND

815
00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 1: stands at the UK's biggest science fair, giving out thousands

816
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817
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:59,600
Speaker 1: about to go to Milan for an art exhibition. I

818
00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: am been selectively breeding them. That's very awesome. He calls

819
00:46:04,760 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: them his pets. He said they're they're much better travel

820
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:09,880
Speaker 1: than I am. He said, they're fantastic things for children

821
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,319
Speaker 1: and adults to play with. Giving it a selection of

822
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: different foods, seeing what will go for as as a

823
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824
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Speaker 1: like some guys? Yes, please, they're easy to keep the

825
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: same deal as everyone else. It's free and uh there's

826
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:29,400
Speaker 1: a there's a website here. I don't know if this

827
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Speaker 1: is just for us or if it's for everyone. Well

828
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Speaker 1: let's say it and then um we can edit it

829
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Speaker 1: out if if he's like, no, please don't really say that. Okay,

830
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Speaker 1: it's either you're either gonna hear a long beep. Okay,

831
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Speaker 1: that censorship www dot tiny u r l dot com

832
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:54,200
Speaker 1: slash slime manifesto and this has instructions in the backstory.

833
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: I bet that's for everyone. The only thing you got wrong,

834
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,799
Speaker 1: Chuck is that it's www period. Oh yeah, that's right,

835
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 1: and we get mad at pet ants. Are you taking

836
00:47:08,360 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: a passive aggressive shot at me right now? No, it's

837
00:47:10,920 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: it's fully aggressive. Thanks to everyone on your team for

838
00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: your brilliant episodes. My job as a microscopist means I'm

839
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 1: usually alone in the dark. Your podcast goes along way

840
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 1: to keeping me sane ish cheers. That is from Ian

841
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842
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,720
Speaker 1: accidentally tasted uh fist a room several times. It's easy

843
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 1: to do when a half square meter of it is

844
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 1: hungry and gets loose in your bag. It tastes like

845
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Speaker 1: Thank you for this. Yeah, and this is one of

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Speaker 1: or your body now that you've eaten it. That's right. Well, um.

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Speaker 1: Good luck to Ian surviving the slime Old tasting encounter.

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Speaker 1: I hope that you live long enough to send us

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Speaker 1: upon that for sure, for sure. Thanks again, Ian, And

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