1 00:00:00,480 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: The Michael Berry Show. 2 00:00:02,440 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 2: In this Sunday Box podcast, you will hear the story 3 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 2: of Julie Hartman. Julie was a student at Harvard University 4 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 2: back in twenty eighteen. She found herself going along with 5 00:00:11,480 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 2: the leftist ideology that has invaded college campuses all over America. 6 00:00:16,120 --> 00:00:19,440 Speaker 2: Julie became shocked by the anti American sentiment and the 7 00:00:19,800 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 2: pro defund the police narrative being pushed among the professor's 8 00:00:23,680 --> 00:00:26,960 Speaker 2: classmates and of course, the media. In the summer of 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,960 Speaker 2: twenty twenty, Julie began seeking her own voice and became 10 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,720 Speaker 2: a force in the conservative movement. This Sunday we seek 11 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 2: to amplify the story of Julie Hartman. 12 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 3: Harvard did contribute hugely to my political awakening. There is 13 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 3: no doubt that that campus is hostile to conservative ideas. 14 00:00:48,720 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 3: My name is Julie Hartman and this is my story. 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 3: So I'm born and raised in Los Angeles, California. I'm 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 3: the youngest of three sisters. I was the loud, bombastic, 17 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:08,000 Speaker 3: energetic child that actually always wanted to be a talk 18 00:01:08,040 --> 00:01:08,560 Speaker 3: show host. 19 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: So I grew up. 20 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 3: In a pretty a political household. Although we didn't talk 21 00:01:13,080 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 3: about politics, they always talk to me about how lucky 22 00:01:16,800 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 3: I am to be an American. In particular, my dad 23 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 3: would always tell me, you know, you don't know what 24 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:25,880 Speaker 3: it's like to live in other countries. People have really 25 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:30,920 Speaker 3: bleak situations, just in a way that you can't imagine. 26 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,200 Speaker 3: So that was sort of the extent to which I 27 00:01:33,240 --> 00:01:34,880 Speaker 3: was introduced to politics. 28 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: I wrote in eighth grade in my diary that I. 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:39,679 Speaker 3: Wanted to go to Harvard, So I guess that was 30 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 3: the school. I wanted to go to, a university that 31 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 3: had the pedigree and the aroma of tradition that comes 32 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 3: with almost four hundred years old school. So I came 33 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,760 Speaker 3: into Harvard as a freshman, and growing up in Los 34 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 3: Angeles and attending liberal schools, I considered myself to be 35 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,280 Speaker 3: a liberal, so I just sort of agreed, even with 36 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 3: a lot of the ideas on campus. The summer of 37 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 3: twenty twenty was when my life completely changed. I was 38 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 3: sent home that March of twenty twenty due to the 39 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:22,559 Speaker 3: COVID lockdowns. I was lonely and depressed and feeling anxious. 40 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:28,160 Speaker 3: And in May of twenty twenty, when that video, that 41 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:31,800 Speaker 3: horrible video came out of George Floyd's death, I was 42 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:36,200 Speaker 3: just astounded by the crusade against law enforcement. 43 00:02:36,960 --> 00:02:39,639 Speaker 1: Everyone it seemed succumbed to. 44 00:02:40,320 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 3: These radical ideas that if you're white, then you are 45 00:02:42,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 3: inherently racist, and that we all have to engage in 46 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,640 Speaker 3: these maoist self criticism sessions for our privilege. And I 47 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 3: remember thinking, if this is the left, this is not 48 00:02:52,960 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 3: who I am. And so one night, I remember this 49 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,800 Speaker 3: night so vividly, I went on Google and I just 50 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:03,600 Speaker 3: typed in what do conservatives think about police? The first 51 00:03:03,600 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 3: thing that popped up was Prager You, And of course, 52 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 3: thanks to Praguer You, I was introduced to a thinker 53 00:03:10,600 --> 00:03:13,840 Speaker 3: called Dennis Prager. I like to say that Prager You 54 00:03:14,000 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 3: really introduced me to conservative ideas, but I think that 55 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 3: Dennis's book on America really solidified my conservatism. It is 56 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 3: crazy for me to say now, but prior to reading 57 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,560 Speaker 3: Dennis's book, I had never heard of the term eplerbus unham, 58 00:03:31,800 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 3: which is our national credo out of many one. And 59 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 3: Dennis's book, as corny as it may sound, made me 60 00:03:39,360 --> 00:03:43,440 Speaker 3: feel so unbelievably grateful that I had the good fortune 61 00:03:43,480 --> 00:03:46,160 Speaker 3: to be born as an American. And I finished the 62 00:03:46,200 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 3: book feeling an enormous sense of responsibility to protect and 63 00:03:51,680 --> 00:03:58,040 Speaker 3: defend this extraordinary and delicately calibrated system that we have. 64 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 3: Then I started, of course, listening to Dennis's radio show 65 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: and consuming a lot of his content. I just decided 66 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,120 Speaker 3: to email him, and I remember sitting on the couch 67 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: writing this email, just thanking him. 68 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:13,200 Speaker 1: For his influence on my thinking. 69 00:04:14,080 --> 00:04:17,120 Speaker 3: And of course I thought, oh, he's never going to 70 00:04:17,200 --> 00:04:19,920 Speaker 3: read this, let alone respond. I did put in this 71 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:23,320 Speaker 3: subject line, though, I played up the Harvard thing. I wrote, 72 00:04:23,520 --> 00:04:26,480 Speaker 3: Harvard student turns conservative, so I thought maybe I had 73 00:04:26,520 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 3: a chance of him clicking on it. And miraculously he 74 00:04:29,480 --> 00:04:32,919 Speaker 3: saw the email and he in three days responded to 75 00:04:32,960 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 3: me and he said, Julie, you mentioned that. 76 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:36,760 Speaker 1: You're from Los Angeles. 77 00:04:36,800 --> 00:04:39,840 Speaker 3: Would you want to come in sometime and sit in 78 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:41,480 Speaker 3: and just watch me for an hour? 79 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 1: So I said, of course. That next week I meet him. 80 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: I'm sitting there as he's recording during commercial breaks. We're 81 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: chit chatting and we really hit it off, and he 82 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:55,480 Speaker 3: turns to me and he goes, you know, Julie, your 83 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 3: story is really fascinating and I think that my listeners 84 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 3: might like to hear it. Would you want to be 85 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 3: on air? Sometime, and I thought that he was referring 86 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: to a week later. So I said, sure, we can 87 00:05:06,720 --> 00:05:09,320 Speaker 3: find a time. I'll schedule it and I'll never forget. 88 00:05:09,360 --> 00:05:11,000 Speaker 3: He rolled up his sleeve and he looked at his 89 00:05:11,040 --> 00:05:13,960 Speaker 3: watch and he goes, actually, we're back on air in 90 00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 3: two minutes. 91 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,400 Speaker 1: Would you want to go on now? So I did. 92 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: The next morning, I. 93 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:22,799 Speaker 3: Wake up and a video of that appearance was posted 94 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:27,800 Speaker 3: on YouTube, and within I think about a day, it 95 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 3: got ten thousand views. And it was just so jarring 96 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 3: for me to sit there and see my face and 97 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:38,719 Speaker 3: see people commenting, And of course the video circulated around 98 00:05:38,800 --> 00:05:43,279 Speaker 3: Harvard and that sort of launched me into the most 99 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 3: painful two weeks of my life. I had several close 100 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 3: friends of mine give me a really hard time for 101 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:57,160 Speaker 3: going onto Dennis's show. It sounds so silly to say now, 102 00:05:57,200 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 3: but at the time it really felt catash straphic going 103 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:05,240 Speaker 3: public with my conservatism. I remember thinking, oh my gosh, 104 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 3: people are going to google me, They're going to see 105 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 3: this video. I'm never going to get hired, no one's 106 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:13,039 Speaker 3: ever going to be my friend, I'm never going to 107 00:06:13,040 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 3: get married. When many of the closest people in my 108 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 3: life were telling me that I had truly done something 109 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,360 Speaker 3: bigoted and wrong by going on this platform. It meant 110 00:06:24,360 --> 00:06:26,880 Speaker 3: something to me because I care about those people. They 111 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 3: didn't take issue with what I said. They took issue 112 00:06:30,520 --> 00:06:34,920 Speaker 3: with the fact that I said that I appreciated Dennis 113 00:06:34,920 --> 00:06:37,760 Speaker 3: Prager's work and that I talked with him. But of 114 00:06:37,760 --> 00:06:42,040 Speaker 3: course that's just their Pavlovian response. Anything that is conservative 115 00:06:42,160 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 3: must be big at it. There's no other way to 116 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:48,040 Speaker 3: think of it. Harvard did contribute hugely to my political 117 00:06:48,080 --> 00:06:52,960 Speaker 3: awakening because there is no doubt that that campus is 118 00:06:53,920 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 3: hostile to conservative ideas, and Dennis was so gracious during 119 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:03,520 Speaker 3: that time of my life to call me and lend 120 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:06,120 Speaker 3: a hand of support. Let me tell you, if you 121 00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:08,479 Speaker 3: want to know who your real friends are, you should 122 00:07:08,480 --> 00:07:10,720 Speaker 3: go on the Dennis Breaker Show and Avid go public. 123 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 3: That was actually such a blessing for me because it 124 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 3: showed me who really should be in my. 125 00:07:16,560 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: Life and who shouldn't be. 126 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 3: And just like other college campuses, if you dare to 127 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 3: speak conservative ideas, you can count on the fact that 128 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,120 Speaker 3: you are going to be called certain names. 129 00:07:27,440 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 1: And I'm so much happier now that I'm. 130 00:07:31,080 --> 00:07:35,320 Speaker 3: Public and open about this because it's who I am. 131 00:07:35,720 --> 00:07:38,400 Speaker 3: Dennis and I launched a show of our own called 132 00:07:38,440 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 3: Dennis and Julie that started out of my senior year 133 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 3: dorm room. So talk about being public everyone on. 134 00:07:44,680 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 1: Campus and knew that I was doing that. 135 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,320 Speaker 3: And at the end of senior year, I actually gave 136 00:07:50,520 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 3: a speech at the Memorial Chapel as part of their 137 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 3: Senior Speech program, where I talked about the anti Americanism 138 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 3: campus and how we have allowed these corrosive, destructive ideas 139 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:10,679 Speaker 3: to take hold and all of us just remain silent, 140 00:08:11,440 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 3: like they aren't insane. I talked about how the Orgon 141 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 3: Department of Education has asserted that finding one right answer 142 00:08:17,680 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 3: in math is white supremacist, and we remain silent. The 143 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 3: American Medical Association is stated that they want to remove 144 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:28,200 Speaker 3: gender from birth certificates, and we remain silent. Black Lives 145 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,920 Speaker 3: Matter founders have embezzled millions and millions of dollars of 146 00:08:33,160 --> 00:08:35,920 Speaker 3: donation money to buy mansions in Los Angeles, and we 147 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:39,640 Speaker 3: remain silent. And I said, we should not lie to 148 00:08:39,760 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 3: ourselves or to others. That a large reason that we 149 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:46,599 Speaker 3: remain silent is that we see personal and professional advantages 150 00:08:46,600 --> 00:08:48,079 Speaker 3: in doing so, and. 151 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:48,840 Speaker 1: That's what it is. 152 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 3: I actually think that a lot of people know the 153 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:56,000 Speaker 3: direction that this country is going in is insane, but 154 00:08:56,920 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 3: they don't want to take a stand. And I completely 155 00:09:02,280 --> 00:09:04,760 Speaker 3: understand why there are many people who are afraid to 156 00:09:04,800 --> 00:09:09,720 Speaker 3: speak out. There is a lot of discrimination against conservatives nowadays, 157 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 3: and not just against conservatives, but people who, even in 158 00:09:13,520 --> 00:09:17,440 Speaker 3: a small way, may be sympathetic to conservative values. It's 159 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:21,200 Speaker 3: real many people cannot talk about what they really believe 160 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 3: because they would get fired from their jobs and they 161 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:23,840 Speaker 3: have to put. 162 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: Food on the table. 163 00:09:24,800 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 3: What I would say, though, especially to younger people who 164 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,240 Speaker 3: may not be in that position, who have their professional 165 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 3: lives ahead of them, I think that we are truly 166 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:38,640 Speaker 3: in a dire moment. If people do not speak out, 167 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 3: we will lose this country. And I think that we 168 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,840 Speaker 3: are way closer to losing this country than we think. 169 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 1: We have no choice. We have to speak up now. 170 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 3: I am so much happier now in my life, after 171 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:56,520 Speaker 3: I've made this whole public conservative career of mine. I 172 00:09:56,720 --> 00:10:01,360 Speaker 3: found such an incredible value system that has become so 173 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 3: integral to my worldview, and I think has made me 174 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:08,679 Speaker 3: a better, more principled person. Because conservatism is about conserving 175 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:11,839 Speaker 3: something that is the principles of the American founding. It 176 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 3: requires you to identify your values and your principles and 177 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 3: stick to them in life. 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