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Speaker 1: What is up everybody? Welcome to Move the Sticks, presented

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Speaker 1: by Castro Ledge, DJ and Bucky. Back with you and

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Speaker 1: Buck Man. We've had a lot going on between free

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Speaker 1: agency pro days. It's been a busy time here for

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Speaker 1: we have got a big show coming up today, A

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Speaker 1: Buckey is gonna have a one on one conversation with

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Speaker 1: Tray Sermon, very talent Ohio State running back, to talk

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Speaker 1: about his journey. We're going to look at pro days

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Speaker 1: with Jabril Cox, a linebacker who has had quite a

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Speaker 1: start with what's going on in free agency. We've seen

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Speaker 1: usc and telennoah funga very gifted safety. They're one of

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Speaker 1: the best defensive players in the pack twelve this past season.

432
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Speaker 1: Always around the football, he's he's best when he's near

433
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Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. You see him as a blitzer.

434
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Speaker 1: You see him get his hands on these tips and

435
00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 1: overthrows repeatedly just very instinctive and outstanding football player. But

436
00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:42,080
Speaker 1: he has had some injuries. He has had some shoulder issues,

437
00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:44,480
Speaker 1: and the question with him is is what is his speed?

438
00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 1: Can he hold up back there in the deep half

439
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Speaker 1: or in the deep middle. You want to see how

440
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Speaker 1: fast now athletic he is from that standpoint with the testing,

441
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Speaker 1: So we'll keep an eye on that one buck. And

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Speaker 1: that's the the USC Pro Day which is coming up

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Speaker 1: soon March at eleven a m. Eastern and we're gonna

444
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Speaker 1: have that for you right here on NFL Network. Checkout

445
00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,239
Speaker 1: him with his teammates Alman Ross st Brown, a very

446
00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,440
Speaker 1: gifted wide receiver, Elijah Vera Tucker some have as the

447
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,720
Speaker 1: number one guard in the entire draft class. I believe

448
00:21:13,800 --> 00:21:17,199
Speaker 1: a top fifteen pick. Again, that's March. Hang with us

449
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:23,560
Speaker 1: here at NFL Network, eleven a m Eastern. Right now,

450
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Speaker 1: it's time for be prepared, presented by a castro Ledge,

451
00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,359
Speaker 1: and let's take a look here at Bucky's top five

452
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Speaker 1: linebackers as we had towards the NFL Draft. Feel surprise

453
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Speaker 1: their chat sarat sticking with his North Carolina tar heel

454
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Speaker 1: there at number five. You all the way up to

455
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Speaker 1: the top of the list, and you've got Micah Parsons

456
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: should be a top ten pick in the upcoming draft

457
00:21:41,280 --> 00:21:43,840
Speaker 1: at a Penn State, but number four right there from

458
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Speaker 1: l s U. Jabril Cox one of the more intriguing

459
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Speaker 1: players in the entire draft class, and Bucky had a

460
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Speaker 1: chance to catch up second and seven picked off. Stepping

461
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Speaker 1: in front of it is Jabril Cox. Jabril Cox, who's

462
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Speaker 1: really distingusing so he if I taking two shots. It's

463
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Speaker 1: been a long journey for you going from North Dakota

464
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Speaker 1: State to l s U. Let's talk about that journey.

465
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Speaker 1: How did you make your way to l s U

466
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Speaker 1: after a standout career in North Dakota stet right coming

467
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Speaker 1: out of high school. I was really under recruited at

468
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Speaker 1: North Dakota State. They offered me later in my senior season,

469
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 1: took a visit there. I felt like it was the

470
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Speaker 1: right fit and on the amount of championships and the

471
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Speaker 1: just the culture of the program that they have their

472
00:22:29,040 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 1: racial In my first year and then after that, I

473
00:22:32,080 --> 00:22:34,440
Speaker 1: won three national championships in a row and then continue

474
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Speaker 1: to thrive in that program. You know, let's talk about that,

475
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Speaker 1: because I don't know if the program gets enough like

476
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Speaker 1: national attention in terms of the culture and the expectations.

477
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Speaker 1: What what is it like to play for a team

478
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Speaker 1: that is always in the national championship Like, how how

479
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Speaker 1: do you got how did you keep it going when

480
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:53,440
Speaker 1: you were there? After we've won one, the next time

481
00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:55,399
Speaker 1: we're in the weight room, we don't even think about

482
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Speaker 1: the championships or anything that we did in the past season.

483
00:22:58,280 --> 00:23:01,080
Speaker 1: We always moved forward and we embraced the target. That's

484
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Speaker 1: something that we said throughout my years. There is embracing

485
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Speaker 1: target and just enjoy the journey that you're going on.

486
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Speaker 1: A lot of guys there are work ethic is just unmatched.

487
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Speaker 1: Uh you know, we're under recruited guys. So we're coming

488
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Speaker 1: in just wanting to prove. And the people that are

489
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Speaker 1: buising pride something that we like to say, is buising pride,

490
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Speaker 1: you really understand it as long as you go through

491
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Speaker 1: the through nd issue for four or five years that

492
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Speaker 1: you're there, it's funny. So I'm a I'm gonna ask

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Speaker 1: you one more question about North Dakota State because there's

494
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Speaker 1: a lot of fascination about the quarterback that is coming

495
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,400
Speaker 1: out from their trade lance like the chet sweet lance

496
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Speaker 1: up the middle, angring through a cross midfield tra tackle

497
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Speaker 1: circle trade in the up the fields haven't been his teammate.

498
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Speaker 1: What is he like as a leader and a player? Yeah,

499
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Speaker 1: he's very special. Um, coming in, I knew right away

500
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Speaker 1: his leadership skills were there. And it's also his work

501
00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,159
Speaker 1: ethic just coming in seeing how he just wants to

502
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Speaker 1: compete and he's had some great guys to learn under

503
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:11,840
Speaker 1: Eastern Stack one who plays for the Chargers, He's learned

504
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Speaker 1: under him and just try he he just always willing

505
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Speaker 1: to grow and just his physical traits are there and

506
00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:21,800
Speaker 1: also mentally he's prepared for the next step. Okay, so

507
00:24:21,840 --> 00:24:24,399
Speaker 1: you went through national titles, you didn't make your way

508
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Speaker 1: to Batten Rouge. You joined l s U. They're coming

509
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Speaker 1: off a national championship. What was that like jumping into

510
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Speaker 1: a program that is just coming off a national championship

511
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Speaker 1: even though you had had all that individual and team

512
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Speaker 1: success in North Dakota State. What was it like at

513
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Speaker 1: l s U? Right? It was? It was exciting for me. Uh,

514
00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 1: it was something it was a new challenge that I

515
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Speaker 1: wanted to take on. Going in, I didn't know what takespect,

516
00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:50,639
Speaker 1: especially with it being uh during a pandemic and we

517
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: didn't know if a season was gonna happen or not,

518
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 1: but just going in, I was ready to compete and

519
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:59,240
Speaker 1: just help get myself better as a players as a whole,

520
00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,639
Speaker 1: and just my time in bad and rouleage. I wouldn't

521
00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 1: trade it for the world, and I think it was

522
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,399
Speaker 1: for the best of me. Yeah, and thinking about it

523
00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 1: being for the best. When I've talked to people about

524
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: your experience down that you talk about the natural leadership

525
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 1: ability that you displayed and being able to kind of

526
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Speaker 1: jump right in and being a guy that can be Um,

527
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Speaker 1: I take charge. Guy. What was it like earning the

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Speaker 1: respect of your teammates, your new teammates down an l

529
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Speaker 1: s U. It was something that when coming in, I

530
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Speaker 1: wanted to show guys by leading by example, putting in

531
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Speaker 1: the work, putting in the time, let them know that

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00:25:31,880 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: I'm coming in uh strictly on business. So uh when

533
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Speaker 1: it's time for me to say something, A lot of

534
00:25:37,280 --> 00:25:40,399
Speaker 1: guys have my respect and uh they trusted me throughout

535
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Speaker 1: the season and it's something that I take an honor

536
00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,959
Speaker 1: with being an older guy on the team and just

537
00:25:45,119 --> 00:25:48,040
Speaker 1: teaching the young talented guys, uh, the way of how

538
00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 1: to be a college football player would have been some

539
00:25:50,040 --> 00:25:51,720
Speaker 1: of the things that you wanted to show scouts and

540
00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 1: evaluate is along the way, I wanted to show them

541
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Speaker 1: my versatility, how I'm able to cover while also playing

542
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 1: in the box and getting out blocks and just making

543
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,440
Speaker 1: plays a just being a versatile player. That's something that

544
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,240
Speaker 1: is really needed in this game and it's something that

545
00:26:07,280 --> 00:26:09,720
Speaker 1: I can bring to it. And thinking about that when

546
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: when you look at the NFL game, there are a

547
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,280
Speaker 1: lot of linebackers now that we're seeing make plays, and

548
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 1: most of those guys are very athletic and active. They're

549
00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 1: sell on the sideline chasers. When you look at your game,

550
00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: how does your game fit at the next level, I

551
00:26:21,400 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: think if it's perfect, it's something that a modern linebacker

552
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 1: would need, being able to stop the run, play the run,

553
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,400
Speaker 1: and also if you have like a Travis Kelsey out

554
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: in the slide, cover him or also a quick running

555
00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:36,200
Speaker 1: back out the backfield, cover them. So I can also

556
00:26:36,240 --> 00:26:38,399
Speaker 1: blitz to the quarterback if you need me. Just in

557
00:26:38,520 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 1: every asset of the game is needed. I think that's

558
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:42,960
Speaker 1: where my game takes me, all right. So we want

559
00:26:42,960 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 1: to have a little fun with you right now, because

560
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,040
Speaker 1: you're all business, You're seriously ready, we go all the

561
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:50,600
Speaker 1: way back through your career, high school, even your college career.

562
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:55,320
Speaker 1: What is the best play, the greatest play that you've

563
00:26:55,320 --> 00:26:58,440
Speaker 1: ever made? My coming out party against Youngstown State, UH

564
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 1: coach Bo Polini. We were in over time and I

565
00:27:01,359 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: got a sack on third down for a loss of

566
00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,119
Speaker 1: about eight which then led them to Mr Field go

567
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:10,040
Speaker 1: and we went and we win the game. That's right

568
00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 1: there when I knew that I was made for college

569
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 1: football and I canna play with the big dogs. Oh,

570
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 1: you definitely are a big dog man. We're excited UH

571
00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 1: to continue to watch you on your journey. We can't

572
00:27:20,040 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 1: wait to see where you go on draft day. Thanks

573
00:27:22,359 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: so much for joining the Mood of six podcasts. Yes, sir,

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00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:28,439
Speaker 1: thank you, I appreciated. Hey, nice work there, Buck. It

575
00:27:28,560 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 1: was very cool listening to Jabril Cox when I watched

576
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,520
Speaker 1: him as a player. He's in my top fifty for

577
00:27:33,520 --> 00:27:36,400
Speaker 1: a reason. This guy is a versatile second level defender.

578
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:38,600
Speaker 1: He can mirror tight ends and coverage. They can use

579
00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 1: him to rush a little bit off the edge. There's

580
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:42,720
Speaker 1: only one thing you'd like to see a little bit

581
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:45,080
Speaker 1: of improvement. There is when he's lined up inside the box,

582
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: maybe at times a little bit late to key and diagnose,

583
00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: But that's nitpicking there, Buck look is nitpicking. But he's

584
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:53,720
Speaker 1: a big time player. But DJ we got a little time.

585
00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 1: Poppy has some tape so you can break down what

586
00:27:56,600 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: he is. Look, I go back to North Dakota State

587
00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:00,440
Speaker 1: and then show you some of the as he did

588
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: there when he was detached right, get him away from

589
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:04,879
Speaker 1: the light from the box, and I think he sees

590
00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:07,480
Speaker 1: things clearly. You see him look at him close down

591
00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,159
Speaker 1: and make plays behind the line of scrimmage. He has

592
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,399
Speaker 1: a lot of experience out there. How about his ability

593
00:28:12,440 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: to get underneath a block and make a big hit

594
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:17,800
Speaker 1: here out on the perimeter as well, his ability to

595
00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,280
Speaker 1: function and space. Did a little bit of that there

596
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: at l s U as well. And now we can

597
00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,240
Speaker 1: see him trigger downhill, look at the burst when he

598
00:28:25,280 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: wants to close, see it, diagnose it, and go when

599
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:32,320
Speaker 1: he's got clear sightlines. We watch him in coverage very

600
00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:34,840
Speaker 1: comfortable as his zone droppers. Gets your eyes on the

601
00:28:34,920 --> 00:28:37,879
Speaker 1: quarterback and make plays on the football. And finally, the

602
00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 1: athletic ability to be able to flip your hips, drive

603
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:42,560
Speaker 1: on the football, pick it off, go ahead and take

604
00:28:42,600 --> 00:28:44,880
Speaker 1: it back to let's finish this thing up and get

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00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:46,840
Speaker 1: your way into the end zone here. Buck He's a

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00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: he's a fun player to study. He is absolutely a

607
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: fun player to study. He's one of those new school

608
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:55,200
Speaker 1: linebackers that we're seeing dominate the league. I guy that

609
00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:56,800
Speaker 1: is off the ball but has the ability to make

610
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of different plays in a variety of ways.

611
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 1: Talent at prospect, someone's gonna get a go, no doubt. Well,

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00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:06,080
Speaker 1: there you have it. That was be prepared presented by

613
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Speaker 1: Castro Ledge. We're coming up next Tuesday in Tuscaloosa, Alabama.

614
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:14,080
Speaker 1: All eyes are gonna be on the Crimson Tide and

615
00:29:14,120 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 1: their plethora of star players Davante Smith, Mac Jones, Patrick

616
00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 1: certain the second. They're all going to be participating in

617
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 1: that Alabama Pro Day Tuesday, March you can see at

618
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 1: twelve pm Eastern right here on NFL Network. Well, one

619
00:29:28,240 --> 00:29:31,080
Speaker 1: of the teams Alabama was able to best last year

620
00:29:31,080 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: inside the SEC with Georgia, and they had their pro

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00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 1: day down there in Athens, and Bucket was quite a

622
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: show led by Mr Eric Stokes ripping off the mid

623
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Speaker 1: four to forty. Yeah, look a very impressive performance. You're

624
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,200
Speaker 1: talking about ripping off a four to forty. I think

625
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: when you see his athleticism, his explosiveness, combined with what

626
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: you've watched on tape, you really begin to really like

627
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,080
Speaker 1: the player. And I think a player like that who

628
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:58,400
Speaker 1: is versatile, dynamic, explosive and has the ability to give

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00:29:58,400 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: you special teams contributions is a hot commodity. He is

630
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: going to be a hot name to follow as we

631
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,960
Speaker 1: get closer to the draft. Yeah, you've got Tyson Campbell

632
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: other corner there ended up running a four three eight,

633
00:30:09,320 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 1: which is incredible at his size, and you don't hear

634
00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: anything about it because of the four to five that

635
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:17,320
Speaker 1: Stokes ripped off. We've talked about him as a little

636
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:19,640
Speaker 1: bit as a player. To me, when I watched him buck,

637
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:22,720
Speaker 1: I saw the I saw the speed play. I saw

638
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: him be able to locate and play the ball, which

639
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,120
Speaker 1: was impressive, a little bit of a tightness I thought

640
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: in some of his movement. I'd give Campbell the edge

641
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 1: in the movement department, but Campbell didn't find the football

642
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: as well as Stokes. So to me, they're not perfect corners,

643
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: but they're height, weight, speed guys that they always go

644
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:40,720
Speaker 1: in the second round, right, I mean, that's where these

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Speaker 1: guys are gonna end up. Well, that's where they're going

646
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Speaker 1: to go, Djum. When we think about Day two, Day

647
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Speaker 1: two is for the slightly imperfect, you know, slight slight

648
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Speaker 1: imperfections in their game and their technique. You talk about

649
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,680
Speaker 1: Campbell being a guy that look is probably smoother and

650
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,040
Speaker 1: more fluid when it comes to certain movements, but he

651
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: doesn't have the ability to find the ball. Stokes is

652
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,959
Speaker 1: a little stiffer, more explosive, and has better ball skills.

653
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: And so it comes down to style the play. How

654
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: do you want to play on the perimeter. But both

655
00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: guys should definitely be gone within the top one hundred.

656
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Speaker 1: I think both of these guys have an opportunity to

657
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Speaker 1: be started very very early in their careers. All right, Well,

658
00:31:17,320 --> 00:31:20,200
Speaker 1: the headliner at the Georgia Pro Day was Zzo Gilari,

659
00:31:20,440 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 1: edge rusher there who had a really nice day, ended

660
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: up testing in the low four sixes. His arms are

661
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: thirty four and change, which is which is outstanding. Buck

662
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: a really really talented player who I thought really helped

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Speaker 1: himself at this pro day and you see him moving here.

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Speaker 1: I thought to me, some of the stiffness you saw

665
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,320
Speaker 1: on tape, it wasn't as pronounced in the workout. I

666
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: thought he looked pretty good. Yeah, he did look really good.

667
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,000
Speaker 1: You worry about when you watch him on tape. He's

668
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: kind of a one trick pony wins with speed, a

669
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Speaker 1: little swhite move coming around the edge, a different rip

670
00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 1: that is the go to desk his fastball. And so

671
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Speaker 1: you wanted does he have anything does he have the

672
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Speaker 1: athleticism to be able to change it up and had

673
00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:56,720
Speaker 1: to work out? You saw he certainly is athletic enough

674
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Speaker 1: to add some tools, to add some pitches to the repertoire,

675
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,800
Speaker 1: and so that is encouraging. And in a draft where

676
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Speaker 1: you don't have many front line, high end pass rushers,

677
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 1: his workout combined with the stuff that he's shown on

678
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: tape and moves them up the charts. Well, you mentioned

679
00:32:11,880 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: the draft and the edge rushers. Let's take a look

680
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Speaker 1: here at your top five ad dressers in the class. Again,

681
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Speaker 1: you can go to NFL dot com slash Bucky Brooks

682
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Speaker 1: or NFL dot com slash top five. You can see

683
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Speaker 1: all these lists here. But looking at this list of

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Speaker 1: names here Buck starting with Gregory Rousseau and Jalen Phillips

685
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,520
Speaker 1: up there at the top. I feel like we've talked

686
00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: a lot about Rousseau. Uh, why don't you tell me

687
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 1: a little better? And Burriett showed me a little bit

688
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,920
Speaker 1: about Jalen Phillips and what you liked about him. Love

689
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 1: Jalen Phillips game because he's a technician. He has some

690
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,200
Speaker 1: of that Karate kid and I know you like that reference.

691
00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 1: Mr Me with his hand skills quick against the run,

692
00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 1: does a great job of chasing it down from behind.

693
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:50,320
Speaker 1: His hands are polished, effective. He plays the game like

694
00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 1: a bit but it's more than that. Is how stout

695
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,720
Speaker 1: he is. Did you see him taking on the puller

696
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: stones him also disrupts the play, blows up the running game.

697
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: But it's not only that. His athleticism and ability to

698
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: play in space. Not an a plus guy that plays

699
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 1: in space, but active and instinctive. Does a great job

700
00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,440
Speaker 1: in DJ. We can talk about the motor, particularly win

701
00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: us to pass for us, doesn't give up on the play,

702
00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:15,560
Speaker 1: chases it down. This is what you want to see

703
00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: from a high end playmaker, someone that plays or it,

704
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 1: has technical skills and is also a relentless competitor. Jayleen

705
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: Phillips shows a lot of impressive tools and traits on tape. Yeah,

706
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 1: he is very talented, the former U c l A

707
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:31,600
Speaker 1: football player who is really just blossom there at Miami.

708
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 1: Yet I want to get to one of the more

709
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: fascinating edge rushers who was on your board there, and

710
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Speaker 1: that's Jason o a h edge rusher for Penn State.

711
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Speaker 1: Because as I show you the video, keep in mind

712
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 1: this year he did not have a sack. A lot

713
00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 1: of pressures, but not a lot of production. This is

714
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:46,720
Speaker 1: what you see though, when you study him over the

715
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,720
Speaker 1: period of his career, you see the speed to win

716
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: right now off the edge. Can you shorten that corner?

717
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,200
Speaker 1: Can you get a soft edge? That's exactly what he does.

718
00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:56,560
Speaker 1: Look at him work on the edge of the tackle

719
00:33:56,640 --> 00:33:59,600
Speaker 1: there from Michigan State. That was from the previous year.

720
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:03,400
Speaker 1: Close finish, knocked the ball out. He flashes some of

721
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 1: the power we talked about being heavy on contact. You

722
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: see flashes of that is he dumps the Iowa tackle there,

723
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:11,280
Speaker 1: but it was Aleric Jackson put him on the ground.

724
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Speaker 1: You see that in in a couple of games throughout

725
00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: his career where you say, Okay, this guy's got some

726
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:18,840
Speaker 1: strength for somebody who's going to rip off a ridiculous

727
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 1: forty time he does flash a little bit of that power,

728
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 1: but again it's it's a lot of disruption versus production,

729
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,840
Speaker 1: which makes his evaluation a little bit tricky. Buck, I know,

730
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:32,880
Speaker 1: don't confuse activity with achievement because you just don't see

731
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: the production. I will say, if you're a defensive line

732
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: coach or defensive coordinator, you love the athleticism and depending

733
00:34:38,880 --> 00:34:42,040
Speaker 1: upon the skill level, meaning the teaching level of the

734
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Speaker 1: defensive line coach, you may take a chance on him

735
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: because it is hard to find guys who are built

736
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: like that, who can run like that, jump over to

737
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 1: all buildings. He's a superhero as an athlete. Now can

738
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: you make him a dominant football player? Now you have

739
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 1: got a lot to work with. Whoever ends up getting

740
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: Jason Oway gonna have a chance to really build up

741
00:35:00,680 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 1: a fantastic football player. Not there yet but very well

742
00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:07,439
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Speaker 1: cloudy future for one former All Pro running back. I

752
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:38,719
Speaker 1: mentioned Levy on Bell. Is he even going to get

753
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:43,120
Speaker 1: a job this offseason? Is his career over? I mean,

754
00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:46,200
Speaker 1: what a stunning downfall. Uh. If that's the case. He

755
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 1: was on a Hall of Fame trajectory before he got

756
00:35:48,400 --> 00:35:51,799
Speaker 1: into his squabbles with Pittsburgh, I think it could be

757
00:35:51,920 --> 00:35:54,839
Speaker 1: over unless he's going to take like a minimum deal

758
00:35:54,880 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 1: and compete for a spot in camp. That's that's kind

759
00:35:57,280 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: of where you no major injury, sat out the year

760
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: over contract issues, came back with the Jets, got a

761
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,319
Speaker 1: nice deal, wasn't nearly the same player. They thought maybe

762
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:10,399
Speaker 1: getting him out of the Adam Gates offense, send him

763
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 1: to the Chiefs would spark him. Did not. And it's

764
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,640
Speaker 1: just it's one of those Really it's a head scratcher

765
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: because I think he's now and it's it's almost like

766
00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 1: the the the elite football and his body just disappeared.

767
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: And for those wondering why Dan handis is able to

768
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:29,239
Speaker 1: sound so great. It's hydration. You can see it there

769
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:31,239
Speaker 1: in the clip. You get us stay hydrated. Uh, if

770
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Speaker 1: you're gonna sound that beautiful on the podcast, that's Dan's trick.

771
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: I just let the let the secret out there, all right, Buck,

772
00:36:37,239 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: We put out the hashtag asked mts on Twitter. Hit

773
00:36:40,320 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: us up with some questions, and we have got some

774
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 1: good ones to tackle here. Uh so what do you say?

775
00:36:44,760 --> 00:36:47,439
Speaker 1: We get started here with the first one which comes

776
00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: from the coffee sipper, great name love that which non

777
00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:54,280
Speaker 1: first round wide receiver and running back, Well teams wish

778
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: they had taken in the first round. I'll give you

779
00:36:56,800 --> 00:36:59,879
Speaker 1: that one. Oh that's a good one. I will say

780
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:04,000
Speaker 1: Rashide Bateman is the wide receiver out of Minnesota, running

781
00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: back out of Minnesota. The running back will be the

782
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 1: guy that we've talked about, Trey s Hermon. I think

783
00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,480
Speaker 1: Trey Sermon is going to be an outstanding pro just

784
00:37:10,520 --> 00:37:12,640
Speaker 1: based on how physical and tough he is, Plus he

785
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 1: has soft hands. I'm gonna I'm gonna say I'm gonna

786
00:37:15,560 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: go with Javonte Williams and Michael Carter, both those North

787
00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:20,520
Speaker 1: Carolina backs which you didn't take, which is surprising. I

788
00:37:20,520 --> 00:37:22,400
Speaker 1: think both those are gonna be in really good players.

789
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,600
Speaker 1: All right, let's get to the next question here, this one.

790
00:37:25,120 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: How concerned are teams with Devonte Smith's weight, which, by

791
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:31,279
Speaker 1: the way, we don't know, we're looking forward to seeing

792
00:37:31,280 --> 00:37:33,879
Speaker 1: at the Alabama Pro Day. Yeah, I think it has

793
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: to be a concern. When you go back DJ and

794
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: you look at UH top ten picks. The last few

795
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: little wide receivers that have been taken have struggled John

796
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,120
Speaker 1: Ross and Tavon Austin, respectively. I worry about just his

797
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,440
Speaker 1: ability to hold up against the physical rigors on the outside.

798
00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: Talented player and if you have a gifted schemer, yes

799
00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: you can create opportunities for him, but I do worry

800
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,359
Speaker 1: about his ability to hold up on the outside. See.

801
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,359
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna impact how well he does

802
00:37:59,440 --> 00:38:01,319
Speaker 1: at the next level, but I do think it could

803
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:04,279
Speaker 1: impact where he gets picked, because traditionally we just don't

804
00:38:04,320 --> 00:38:06,960
Speaker 1: see guys that don't have all the measurables go in

805
00:38:06,960 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: the top ten. It just doesn't happen very oft Now

806
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: he could be the exception. He's an outstanding player. Reminds

807
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: me a lot of Isaac Bruce um Keena McCardell somewhere

808
00:38:14,920 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: you know very well, similar skill sets. That doesn't necessarily

809
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,320
Speaker 1: have anything to do with how he's gonna do with

810
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 1: the next level with the weight, but I do think

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Speaker 1: it could cause him maybe to drop a little bit

812
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: in the draft. All right, here's the next one. Let's

813
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,440
Speaker 1: keep it rolling here. This one I thought was interesting.

814
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Speaker 1: Who is the Russell Wilson of this draft? No one

815
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 1: wants to know. I would say maybe Killing mon from

816
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,640
Speaker 1: Texas and m the Senior Bowl m v P has

817
00:38:35,680 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: certainly caught the buzz. And we think about the number

818
00:38:38,200 --> 00:38:40,840
Speaker 1: of games that he played playing in Jimbo Fisher's offense.

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Speaker 1: He certainly appears to be well prepared for the next level.

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00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:46,080
Speaker 1: He could be someone that kind of does not necessarily

821
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: what Russell Wilson does, but look at what Jalen Hurst

822
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: was able to do in Philadelphia. Kellen Mona might be

823
00:38:50,239 --> 00:38:52,200
Speaker 1: the next guy to come from nowhere to be a

824
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Speaker 1: starting quarterback. I like that one. I'm gonna try and

825
00:38:54,520 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: squeeze one more in here. This is from morph great

826
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Speaker 1: name morph. Uh d you see any version of the

827
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Speaker 1: half where the Chiefs move up. I'll take this one

828
00:39:02,320 --> 00:39:04,600
Speaker 1: buck to me. Yeah, absolutely, they could be aggressive here

829
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Speaker 1: if they were to see an offensive linemen. It's been

830
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,680
Speaker 1: an offensive line off season for them. They just brought

831
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:11,520
Speaker 1: over Kyle Long to go on to come in with

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00:39:11,600 --> 00:39:14,239
Speaker 1: Joe Tuoney. I wouldn't be surprised if if they had

833
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 1: a guy they liked, especially at tackle, if they moved up. Yeah, DJ,

834
00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 1: I think offensive tackle that is the sweet spot, not

835
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: only where the Chiefs are picking, but where all of

836
00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,439
Speaker 1: the tackles tend to fall. I think you could see

837
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: the mover from the bottom to not quite the mid

838
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: but is somewhere in the twenties to find an offensive

839
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:31,799
Speaker 1: tackle that they really really like. Now there you go.

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00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:34,240
Speaker 1: There's a good bunch of questions there. Nice job. Everybody's

841
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: submitting those questions on hashtag ask mts. Will keep that

842
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 1: rolling next week, Buck, how excited are you get back

843
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: in the body shop next week? Took a week off

844
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Speaker 1: the body shop. We want to give free agency they're doing.

845
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Speaker 1: We're back in the body shop next week. I'm excited

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Speaker 1: to get back in the body shop and see what

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Speaker 1: I can do, because anyone who knows me knows I

848
00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: don't normally get up on the cars to fix them.

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Speaker 1: That's not idea. Yeah, we're coming back next week. It's

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Speaker 1: gonna be the Miami Dolphins were putting them in the

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Speaker 1: body shop. See if we can't fix that franchise with

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Speaker 1: what they could do in the upcoming draft, that's gonna

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