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Speaker 1: But I knew the Warriors were in a little trouble

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Speaker 1: I've been on this for years. The quality of college

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Speaker 1: Like you watch Florida play a very good college basketball team,

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Speaker 1: and the ratings are good because of urgency. The NBA

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Speaker 1: quality is insane. But a three game first round, which

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Speaker 1: For historical symmetry, totally get it, but you don't need

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Speaker 1: I'm not losing sleep, but I thought tonight was a

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Speaker 2: It's so consistent over the years. I in my series

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Speaker 1: And he is really a physical I mean most young

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Speaker 2: what I mean by that is everything's on the table.

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Speaker 2: Because one of the things that Houston has is depth.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I kind of felt for it. I thought McHale

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Speaker 2: Right, I think that it's okay to change our opinion

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Speaker 2: based on new information. And what I mean by that

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Speaker 2: But he didn't show that superstar upside in that playoff run.

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Speaker 2: the high end scoring pop Colin. He had three straight

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Speaker 2: okay for us to be, Like Tatum is growing up

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Speaker 1: Now I think he is exactly how I feel.

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Speaker 2: seen so many examples of this in NBA history, the big,

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Speaker 2: strong athlete who plays hard just has a lot of

427
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Speaker 2: utility when it's a rock fight, when it's like super

428
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Speaker 2: super physical. During the regular season with the Lakers, there

429
00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 2: was just so much time where he was asked to

430
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Speaker 2: do more than he was capable of. But as this

431
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,640
Speaker 2: has shifted towards him being in a smaller role, he's

432
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Speaker 2: polished up his jump shooting. Like you mentioned earlier, like

433
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Speaker 2: he put in work behind the scenes. He understood, oh,

434
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Speaker 2: if I'm going to stay in this league, I'm going

435
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:12,840
Speaker 2: to need to be able to hit a corner three.

436
00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:14,760
Speaker 2: And so he's put in a lot of work behind

437
00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 2: the scenes. The second piece of it finding a fit

438
00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:20,359
Speaker 2: that works. So, for instance, Jokic, we've talked about this

439
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:23,440
Speaker 2: on the show before, inverts your spacing. He brings the

440
00:23:23,560 --> 00:23:26,480
Speaker 2: center away from the basket. That makes it so there's

441
00:23:26,560 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: fewer redwoods around the basket. And so Russ is Russ

442
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,280
Speaker 2: had a layup missing problem over the years, and he's

443
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 2: missing fewer layups in Denver because he's getting easier cuts

444
00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:39,520
Speaker 2: right around the rim. And so when you combine the

445
00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,520
Speaker 2: little bit of corner three point shooting, the ability to

446
00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 2: finish because of the lack of congestion under the rim

447
00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,680
Speaker 2: with the Yolkic team, and then you add to it

448
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:51,600
Speaker 2: just the way his physicality translates to the playoffs. He's

449
00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:54,399
Speaker 2: become a very useful player for the Nuggets now, like

450
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,200
Speaker 2: a flat out important player in the championship goals.

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Speaker 1: No question. And I know that isn't the be all

452
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:06,080
Speaker 1: end all, but there is something about when you turn

453
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 1: a television on and you come into the second quarter,

454
00:24:10,920 --> 00:24:14,399
Speaker 1: the players that add something you can usually spot in

455
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,119
Speaker 1: like two possessions, Like you're like, oh, you like to amend.

456
00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,560
Speaker 1: Thompson's a great example. You're like, shit, man, that dude

457
00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:28,280
Speaker 1: is physical. He's an intimidating presence. Obviously, great scores almost

458
00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:31,160
Speaker 1: all have that. Russell Westbrook jumps to the TV screen.

459
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,160
Speaker 1: He is just straight gin on the rocks. It's like, pow,

460
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: it hits you. It's who's this guy like cutting you?

461
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 1: Jimmy Butler's got that too. When he's really into it.

462
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Speaker 1: It's like, dude, who is Like when you're a pro

463
00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,440
Speaker 1: athlete and can kind of intimidate other pro athletes and

464
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Speaker 1: it's a man's got it. Butler's got it. Russell's got it. No,

465
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Speaker 1: and you know, it's funny watching Westbrook. I'm thinking, could

466
00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:57,679
Speaker 1: he have always shot threes like this? He's now shooting

467
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,439
Speaker 1: him because he's probably a little less you know. I mean,

468
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,200
Speaker 1: everybody comes down a little bit athletically, and he was

469
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,200
Speaker 1: so hyper athletic. But it is amazing to me to

470
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Speaker 1: watch him shoot threes. I don't know if the shooting

471
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:15,320
Speaker 1: style has changed, but last night, I'm like, it looked smooth,

472
00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,520
Speaker 1: it looked confident and comfortable.

473
00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,879
Speaker 2: He's more compact, there's less wasted motion. He's getting good

474
00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 2: energy transfer, like it's straight up and down, there's no hitch.

475
00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 2: I think. I think taking more corner threes has been

476
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Speaker 2: really big for him because it just takes that little

477
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:34,399
Speaker 2: extra bit of distance off. But it's at the end

478
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 2: of the day, it's work. It's repetition. I mean Aaron Gordon,

479
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:39,280
Speaker 2: Aaron Gordon is now like a legitimately good three point shooter.

480
00:25:39,359 --> 00:25:41,000
Speaker 2: You want to know how he built a gym at

481
00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: his house and he shot hundreds and hundreds and hundreds

482
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 2: and hundreds and hundreds of shots for years and years

483
00:25:45,640 --> 00:25:47,399
Speaker 2: and to turn himself into this kind of player and

484
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:51,520
Speaker 2: not Aaron Gordon has now transformed himself into a player

485
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Speaker 2: that kind of changes the future of the Nuggets because

486
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Speaker 2: of his ability to shoot the three really really well.

487
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Speaker 2: One last thing I wanted to say, the Russell Westbrook thing,

488
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 2: which I think is fascinating, Like the James Harden juxtaposition

489
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:06,159
Speaker 2: is crazy to me because you know, there there is

490
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,440
Speaker 2: like levels to competitive fire, right, Like, Like I'm not

491
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,720
Speaker 2: gonna sit here and say James Harden wasn't playing hard

492
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:14,920
Speaker 2: because you know, he was guarding Jokic for parts of

493
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Speaker 2: the game. He was a big part of the way

494
00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 2: their defensive scheme was set up to keep zoobots on

495
00:26:19,400 --> 00:26:22,720
Speaker 2: the back line. But like there was such a palpable

496
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:25,720
Speaker 2: difference in intensity except Westbrook aside for a second, look

497
00:26:25,760 --> 00:26:28,720
Speaker 2: at Jokic yelling and screaming. Look at the way he

498
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 2: acted in game two when his team fell apart, when

499
00:26:31,119 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: he made a scene on the sideline, ripping those guys

500
00:26:33,960 --> 00:26:36,240
Speaker 2: a new one. There's a level of it. He's screaming

501
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 2: at the right, there's like a light in his eyes.

502
00:26:38,440 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: It's it's hard to explain, like an intensity in his

503
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 2: eyes as a competitor in that game, and James Harden

504
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:47,720
Speaker 2: looked half asleep, and and it's it's weird. Because like

505
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 2: I think part of it stems from the way that

506
00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,240
Speaker 2: over the course of a series, coaches start to scout

507
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 2: out your pet actions, they found the coverage that works

508
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,680
Speaker 2: best at that point in the series. The one defender

509
00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,440
Speaker 2: in this case, Christian Brown, has been eye to eye

510
00:27:03,520 --> 00:27:05,880
Speaker 2: with James Harden so many times now in this series

511
00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:07,480
Speaker 2: that he's starting to pick up on some of his

512
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 2: tips and the way that he likes to set up

513
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:11,760
Speaker 2: his moves. And you start sitting on that same left

514
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,320
Speaker 2: to right crossover, right to left crossover a bunch of times,

515
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 2: it starts to take on a resemblance for you, and

516
00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:18,879
Speaker 2: you can start to pick up on those cues and

517
00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 2: be ahead of things. And it's always right around this time, Colin,

518
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 2: right around game five, game six, and a coin flip

519
00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:28,280
Speaker 2: type of series that you see as things get really

520
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: hard for Harden, he kind of just like relaxes and

521
00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,040
Speaker 2: with Jokich he goes four to thirteen last night, But

522
00:27:35,080 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 2: he's the best player on the floor because he's just

523
00:27:36,800 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 2: super intense and he's hyper focused on every advantage on

524
00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 2: every possession because he knows what it takes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like Steven Adams, isn't it his class But

526
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: the other night I'm watching Steven Adams for Hueston. I'm

527
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 1: like christ these the most consistent player, Like He's just

528
00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:54,360
Speaker 1: I think, and I love players like that. Now it's

529
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Speaker 1: who gave us an electrifying performance in the Nuggets Game

532
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:06,439
Speaker 1: five win over the Clippers. Wow. Knock down eight threes,

533
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:10,000
Speaker 1: dropped forty three points. What a second half, His highest

534
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,560
Speaker 1: total since the Disney World pandemic bubble. If Jamal Murray

535
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: continued to shoot like this, he and Jokic and the

536
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 1: Nuggets could be on their way to hoisting another Larry

537
00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: O'Brien trophy. So what is it that sets apart these

538
00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:24,760
Speaker 1: power players from the rest? Bottom line, it's their attention

539
00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,040
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540
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Speaker 1: you love about the Ultimate Driving Machine electrified. It's not

542
00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: just scoring. By the way, before we close this out,

543
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: because we're going to both go watch the Laker game.

544
00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,480
Speaker 1: We got into this discussion today. The Mavericks shouldn't have

545
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: traded Luca but and Jack Lowe was talking about this

546
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 1: on the Ringer is that I would never trade Mahomes,

547
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,200
Speaker 1: Alan Lamar Jackson, but I would now take a call

548
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,200
Speaker 1: on Joe Burrow because of two major injuries. I would

549
00:29:05,280 --> 00:29:08,320
Speaker 1: take a call. I'm not looking to trade him. I

550
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: would take a call on Jalen Hurts, who I still

551
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: think small and okay in the pocket. But there are players,

552
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: you know, like Lebron in his prime got you guaranteed finals.

553
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: MJ got you guaranteed titles. Kareem got you titles. In

554
00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 1: Luca's prime, he guarantees you buckets and those are great.

555
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,280
Speaker 1: But there is a difference between the Lebron and his prime,

556
00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,960
Speaker 1: and I think now he'll be in better shape next year.

557
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 1: The Lakers won the trade. I'm not in any way

558
00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:44,680
Speaker 1: insinuating they didn't crush it, but I think this little

559
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: peak at Luca. Let's face it, when he's on your team,

560
00:29:50,400 --> 00:29:52,480
Speaker 1: you just watch him more. Even if you love the NBA,

561
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 1: you watch him more. Can you look at him now

562
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 1: and you watch as much NBA as anybody, But is

563
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 1: there a part of you, even ten percent that goes

564
00:30:01,800 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: I get Houston, I get Dallas and Nico taking the call.

565
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:11,600
Speaker 2: So just because there is a reason to do something

566
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: doesn't mean it's reason enough. And like I see the

567
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Speaker 2: reason like they call it. I'm I'm I don't. I

568
00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 2: don't want to be overly critical of Luca here, because

569
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: it is tough to come into a team right in

570
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: the middle of the season and to do all of

571
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: the things that he's being asked to do. But let

572
00:30:26,240 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 2: me just pause it, like, let me just present it

573
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:33,080
Speaker 2: like this. If Luca outplays ant do the Lakers win

574
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:41,640
Speaker 2: the series? Let me let me give you one more.

575
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Speaker 1: Literally, the last game at was like six of seven

576
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 1: against him. So I think that is they don't put

577
00:30:47,840 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: Luca on ant a ton because for obvious reasons. So

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure what the answer.

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Speaker 2: Is to that. So in the fourth quarter in this series,

580
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Speaker 2: which is where the games have been decided, Yes.

581
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Speaker 1: The guy Soda was in these close games all year long.

582
00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:03,000
Speaker 2: They did.

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Speaker 1: I mean, so it's like that is who they They're

584
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: not pretty enough offensively to blow good teams out. They're

585
00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 1: in all all their games look like this.

586
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 2: Luca has five made field goals and one assist in

587
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:17,520
Speaker 2: the fourth quarter in the series, and has ten made

588
00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:19,560
Speaker 2: field goals and seven assists in the fourth quarter in

589
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,600
Speaker 2: the series, he has dramatically outpaced Luca's output when the

590
00:31:23,640 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: games have been on the line late. Luca is shooting

591
00:31:26,400 --> 00:31:29,320
Speaker 2: five to seventeen in the fourth quarter in the series,

592
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:35,160
Speaker 2: and he looks blatantly exhausted every single time down the

593
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 2: stretch of these games. There's been so much focus on

594
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:40,640
Speaker 2: the fact that he had to play twenty four straight minutes.

595
00:31:40,720 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 2: You know who else played twenty four straight minutes in

596
00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 2: that game, Anthony Edwards, he looked fantastic. Julius Randall played

597
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 2: twenty three and a half of the twenty four available minutes.

598
00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 2: He looked fantastic. He's Garden Lebron, grabbing rebounds, doing all

599
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: that kind of stuff. Lebron, who's forty years old, had

600
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: three of the most absurd defensive plays I've seen. Like,

601
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 2: Lebron almost single handedly stole that game with defense.

602
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, dis stretched the Vincenzo block, and then Fitty Smith

603
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:05,920
Speaker 1: shot in on the other end.

604
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then he stripped Nasried on the very next possession,

605
00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:11,560
Speaker 2: got another stop, and then he did strip Anthony Edwards

606
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,040
Speaker 2: on what was kind of an iffy call. Aunt was

607
00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:14,920
Speaker 2: kind of already slipping when he was like, but it

608
00:32:15,000 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: was good defense on that play. The point being like,

609
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,000
Speaker 2: there were four stars in that game that all played

610
00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:22,320
Speaker 2: basically the entire second half. Three of them looked like

611
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 2: they were spry. For the record, they're all better athletes.

612
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 2: I'm not expecting Luca to be out there flying around

613
00:32:27,320 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: like a six to eight freak athlete in those situations,

614
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: but I would expect him to look like Luca. I

615
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 2: would expect him to look like Luca. And the bottom

616
00:32:36,880 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 2: line is is every single time a game has been

617
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Speaker 2: hanging in the balance in this series late, Ant has

618
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 2: looked like Ant and Luca hasn't, and the Wolves have

619
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 2: immediately taken control and won the series. And so I

620
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,760
Speaker 2: don't think it's negotiable at all at this point whether

621
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 2: or not Luca's conditioning is standing in the way of

622
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 2: whether or not they could have won the series. The

623
00:32:55,760 --> 00:33:00,160
Speaker 2: Lakers controlled the first three quarters. They are capable, They're

624
00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 2: capable of beating this team and in the biggest the

625
00:33:04,080 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 2: like for instance, I saw some criticism of Lebron for

626
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:08,880
Speaker 2: having zero points for the record, Lebron does deserve some criticism.

627
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 2: He had a bad turnover late. I didn't like the

628
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,400
Speaker 2: three he took off the left wing. Zero points, like

629
00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 2: find a way to score something. But he only took

630
00:33:16,040 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: two shots in that fourth quarter. You know why, because

631
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 2: this team has a construct. The construct is we need

632
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 2: Luca to create offense for us. That's his one job.

633
00:33:24,760 --> 00:33:27,760
Speaker 2: This is one job everyone else, like Lebron's job on

634
00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:30,160
Speaker 2: this team is to be Draymond Green on the other

635
00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: end of the floor, you know. And like, yes, Lebron

636
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:35,160
Speaker 2: could have and should have done more. But I left

637
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 2: that game very disappointed because I felt like Luca, when

638
00:33:40,000 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 2: the series was hanging in the balance, didn't even look

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Speaker 2: remotely like himself. If he makes that layup against NOAs Reed,

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Speaker 2: which by the way, is just maybe a little bit

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Speaker 2: more conditioned athlete than he is right now, doesn't even

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Speaker 2: have to be in peak condition, just in good enough

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Speaker 2: shape to get the lift to get that ball up

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Speaker 2: off the backboard, they win the seri they did, don't

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Speaker 2: win the series. They win the game. It's two two.

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Speaker 2: But instead he smoked it and then didn't get back

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Speaker 2: and transition defense and left nas Reed open. He hit

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Speaker 2: a three, and all of a suddenly seven point game

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Speaker 2: was a two point game, right right, So like I

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Speaker 2: am a huge believer in Luca, I genuinely think he

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Speaker 2: could be the best player in the league. There's a

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Speaker 2: version of this if he gets in shape where he

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Speaker 2: is the best combination of scoring and playmaking talent in

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Speaker 2: the NBA after jokicch age is out, And if he

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Speaker 2: is and he also gets in good shape and becomes

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Speaker 2: just an above average defensive player, that's the best basketball

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Speaker 2: player in the world. It's an achievable outcome for him.

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Speaker 2: He just has to put in the work behind the scenes.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, it's not too late. Maybe he

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Speaker 2: can flip the script. But the Lakers are not winning

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Speaker 2: tonight and Friday and Sunday unless Luka Doncic outplays Anthony

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Speaker 2: Edwards and he he has to win that matchup.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's really well put. Is that

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Speaker 1: any listen, It's just years ago I said, and I

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Speaker 1: got so much pushback. I said, he's a better version

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Speaker 1: of Carmelow He's a better version, there's no question. But

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Speaker 1: Carmelo is one of the great I mean, one of

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Speaker 1: the great offensive talents we've seen in fifteen years. Like

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Speaker 1: he was an absolute bucket against every defender in the league.

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Speaker 1: And the truth is so is Luca. But I say

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Speaker 1: this most great players, at least for about a seven

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Speaker 1: year window in their prime, were great defenders. Now you

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Speaker 1: can be Bird and Staff where you're trying really hard

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Speaker 1: but you're limited. That's also okay in the locker room.

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Speaker 1: But mailing it in sends a message, Harden, Luca Mellow.

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Speaker 1: It sends a message like you, guys take it from here.

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Speaker 1: And you know, a lot of times in the NBA

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Speaker 1: you don't face a profound offensive player on the other end,

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Speaker 1: But when you and Aunt are matching up and aunts

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Speaker 1: this ascending, dynamic player that you can't take your eyes off,

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Speaker 1: you notice, like Luca's defense is noticeably awful. And I

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Speaker 1: think it was well said by you.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's well given some credit. We can give a

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Speaker 2: hands some credits to like Colin, like he has been

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Speaker 2: so so, so incredibly good. Yeah, in the series, he's

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Speaker 2: growing before our eyes. You said the other day that

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Speaker 2: he's the best young player in the league. I agree.

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Speaker 2: I think I think he's the fifth best player in

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Speaker 2: the world right now, Like he's playing unbelievable best now.

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Speaker 1: I think we've been looking because of the emergence of

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Speaker 1: great international players, which I do not think is bad

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Speaker 1: for the league. Shoheo Tani. I will argue forever is

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Speaker 1: great for baseball. I don't care. But I think Tatum

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Speaker 1: and Ant have emerged as the guys. I think it's indisputable,

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Speaker 1: and this we're seeing it in real time. One in

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Speaker 1: the East, one in the West. It's not deniable because

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Speaker 1: they're on the floor with other good players. Ben Caro

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Speaker 1: has been up and down. Luca looks over matched, like

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Speaker 1: when you can put great players on him and you're like,

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Speaker 1: oh wow, Yeah, they've separated worldwide, and so it's good

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Speaker 1: for the NBA. I don't think it's necessary to have

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Speaker 1: a domestic face of the league. It helps. It's something, right, Jason,

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Speaker 1: great toff. Let's go watch the Lakers.

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Speaker 2: Yep, see you next week. Colin the volume

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