1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:06,480 Speaker 1: Be Around the NFL Podcast needs a hero in the 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:11,039 Speaker 1: mountain time. So welcome to another edition of the Around 3 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hansas, coming to 4 00:00:14,280 --> 00:00:19,040 Speaker 1: you from a country filled with heroes in bunkers. Mark Sessler, 5 00:00:19,360 --> 00:00:22,960 Speaker 1: Greg Rose the thought, what is up? Boys? You know 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: we actually have some football to talk about? Here we go? Yeah, bro, 7 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Greg with a little bounce in his step. I can 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:36,160 Speaker 1: tell right now it's pumped up, no doubt. I mean, 9 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,680 Speaker 1: who who's honked more about Cam Newton on this podcast 10 00:00:39,720 --> 00:00:43,080 Speaker 1: than me? Believe believing that this man was destined for 11 00:00:43,120 --> 00:00:45,519 Speaker 1: a greater career than than really he's had. When you 12 00:00:45,560 --> 00:00:49,000 Speaker 1: when you break it down, now it's time, all right, 13 00:00:49,040 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna get into it. Of course, everyone knows the 14 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: big news that came about this weekend, Cam Newton signs 15 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: a one year deal with the New England Patriots. The 16 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,000 Speaker 1: throne of sleeves thriving. And this is so everybody knows, 17 00:01:01,040 --> 00:01:04,520 Speaker 1: you know, Greg, obviously, Ricky maybe a bouncing our step 18 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: will get to that in a little bit, but you 19 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 1: know what, Mark, you could have a bounce in your step. Two. 20 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:13,479 Speaker 1: Because this is our last show before our little mini 21 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: summer vacation. Don't get angry at as listeners. But we 22 00:01:16,160 --> 00:01:19,200 Speaker 1: were taking off the rest of the week after today's show, 23 00:01:19,280 --> 00:01:23,039 Speaker 1: and we're gonna celebrate Fourth of July with the family 24 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:24,600 Speaker 1: and just get a little bit of a breather, and 25 00:01:24,600 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 1: we'll be back next Monday. But this will be your 26 00:01:28,080 --> 00:01:31,040 Speaker 1: last show, first and only show of the week. Mark. 27 00:01:31,160 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: I know you fought this behind the scenes. You kept 28 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: on coming back to Greg and I and you're saying no, 29 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: no more content, more football talk, and during our global pandemic, 30 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,680 Speaker 1: give us, give us what we want, give us what 31 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:44,800 Speaker 1: the listeners need. But we had to beat you back 32 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: on that one. Yeah, no, I I know, you know. 33 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:49,960 Speaker 1: I think it's to my nature that I pushed to 34 00:01:50,160 --> 00:01:52,560 Speaker 1: um maybe go five shows this week and get back 35 00:01:52,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: to that um mode that we were in when Cam 36 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: Newton um was you know, jettison from the Panthers doesn't 37 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: feel that long ago, but it's a full three months 38 00:02:01,680 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: ago at this point. So we have buzzed through this 39 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:07,360 Speaker 1: offseason at high speeds. Our daily shows feel so long 40 00:02:07,400 --> 00:02:09,880 Speaker 1: ago to me. When did goes ND, I honestly don't remember. 41 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: Was it May We were counting them at one point? 42 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:15,480 Speaker 1: Uh no? And then did after the third day of 43 00:02:15,480 --> 00:02:18,680 Speaker 1: the draft. Okay, so yeah about May. Basically we did 44 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,280 Speaker 1: it for a month and a half. That feels like 45 00:02:21,200 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: another lifetime ago. Yeah, it does not feel like yesterday 46 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: to the longest year of my life. And I know 47 00:02:27,639 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm not alone on that front anyway. So, yes, we 48 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 1: have a lot to get to, uh some news, but 49 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: of course the big news is around Cam Newton, and 50 00:02:38,080 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna have it just in a little bit. Uh. 51 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: The great Mike Gara Folo is gonna join us, one 52 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: of the NFL Network insiders and a guy who is 53 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: plugged in on these matters. Uh. But before we do 54 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:52,799 Speaker 1: that makes sense to just kind of have a conversation 55 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,600 Speaker 1: about it, because you know, we just did our last 56 00:02:56,680 --> 00:02:59,280 Speaker 1: NFL Network show and one of the segments we did 57 00:02:59,800 --> 00:03:03,239 Speaker 1: was kind of storylines that are going to be sticking 58 00:03:03,280 --> 00:03:05,880 Speaker 1: in our heads a little bit when the NFL goes 59 00:03:06,280 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: quiet during the pre training camp weeks. And the one 60 00:03:10,760 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: I mentioned was the two quarterbacks that that are on 61 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: everyone's minds. One Colin Kaepernick. No other explanation needed there. 62 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: I don't think why that's on people's minds, But the 63 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: other one was Cam Newton and just this idea that 64 00:03:22,360 --> 00:03:25,880 Speaker 1: the former m v P, one of the great stars 65 00:03:25,919 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: of the last decade of the NFL, was going to 66 00:03:29,240 --> 00:03:33,880 Speaker 1: potentially head into July and maybe into August and who 67 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: knows when without a job. Well that ended officially on 68 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 1: Sunday when Newton signed a one year contract. Ian Rappaport 69 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: of NFL Network said it was a bare minimum deal 70 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:49,280 Speaker 1: worth up to seven point five millions. So he does 71 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: get a job, and he didn't need to wait until 72 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: um he was able to get in front of a 73 00:03:54,280 --> 00:03:58,240 Speaker 1: team for a workout. The Patriots essentially greg take a 74 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: chance on Newton, but not even that good chance. It 75 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: was this is it seems like a perfect fit for 76 00:04:03,560 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: both Newton, who not only goes somewhere but has a 77 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,440 Speaker 1: chance to start, and the Patriots, who, whether anybody wanted 78 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:11,280 Speaker 1: to believe it or not, and most of us did 79 00:04:11,280 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: not believe it had a major hole at quarterback. Maybe 80 00:04:13,840 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: not anymore, maybe not. I mean his health, Cam Newton 81 00:04:18,760 --> 00:04:21,360 Speaker 1: is the ultimate X factor, And it's like it's not 82 00:04:21,400 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 1: just an asterisk, it's just sort of this thing hanging 83 00:04:24,360 --> 00:04:27,160 Speaker 1: over this entire conversation along with you know, will there 84 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: be a season? But if he is healthy and he's 85 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:32,640 Speaker 1: looked healthy in those workouts and his arm looked pretty good. 86 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: You know, last year, I think everyone forgets you know, 87 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: including me. I sort of blocked those games out. He 88 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: did play, you know, in the preseason a bit. He 89 00:04:39,640 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 1: got hurt against the Patriots and that that's where it 90 00:04:41,839 --> 00:04:44,760 Speaker 1: all started. But his arm looked good in camp, and 91 00:04:44,800 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: the arm is is one concern in the foot injury 92 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: that knocked him out. That Liz Frank you know that. 93 00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: I mean, not a good lady, you know. He that's 94 00:04:55,760 --> 00:04:58,200 Speaker 1: the reason he's out. And I have heard and I 95 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 1: have tried to ask people about this, and there's some 96 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:04,400 Speaker 1: talk like, look if he got hurt again, is that 97 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:06,520 Speaker 1: gonna be it for Cam Newton. There's that sort of 98 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 1: talk about him, and that's why no other team offered 99 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: him a contract. There is a report that he literally 100 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:12,800 Speaker 1: had no other offers, and I've seen a lot out there. 101 00:05:12,839 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: It's like, wow, he only got Marcus Mariotta money, and 102 00:05:15,760 --> 00:05:19,200 Speaker 1: it's like, no, he got Jared Stidham money. We haven't 103 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,920 Speaker 1: seen the details, but the Patriots only had one million 104 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 1: dollars in cap space going into this weekend, and so 105 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: that tells me maybe they'll move some things around. But 106 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 1: very likely he's expected to be right around the minimum 107 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,440 Speaker 1: as Ian Rappaport said, So he's making about one million, 108 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: Brian Horrier is making about one million, and Jared Stidham 109 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,360 Speaker 1: is making about eight hundred thousand or whatever that is. 110 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: The three of them combined are gonna cost about a 111 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 1: third on the cap for the Patriots, as Tom Brady 112 00:05:48,320 --> 00:05:51,080 Speaker 1: well this year. So that that's why it was such 113 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,200 Speaker 1: a no brainer for the Patriots, Like that's obvious, But 114 00:05:54,240 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 1: I think it's also a no brainer for Cam because 115 00:05:56,560 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: I believe his main goal is to revive his career, 116 00:06:01,360 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: and I really do think it's not me just being 117 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:07,640 Speaker 1: a homer that it's hard to imagine him finding a 118 00:06:07,680 --> 00:06:10,919 Speaker 1: better situation right now, not just a path to play, 119 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: but a path to potentially succeed and kind of restart 120 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 1: the second half of his career after two really disappointing 121 00:06:19,760 --> 00:06:22,560 Speaker 1: years for him. Yeah, I think a path to becoming 122 00:06:23,160 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: Um a pretty uh easy pick for comeback Player of 123 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:29,560 Speaker 1: the Year if things if he's healthy and things went 124 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: well and people are asking, you know, what kind of 125 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 1: offense um will New England run? Well, all that can 126 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: be sorted out. I think it's an awesome opportunity for 127 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: Josh McDaniels to show what he can do. UM, I 128 00:06:42,360 --> 00:06:45,560 Speaker 1: agree with you, Greg, I'm first of all, this is 129 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: what the Patriots do. No other team. UM. They say 130 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: Cleveland made a call at one point about Cam Newton, 131 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,599 Speaker 1: but that didn't go very far that no other team 132 00:06:53,760 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 1: here in late June uh inquired on any level about 133 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:00,160 Speaker 1: Cam Newton and the Patriots did. And if you had 134 00:07:00,200 --> 00:07:02,720 Speaker 1: a healthy version of that player and what they can 135 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,560 Speaker 1: do on a team that, by the way, like everyone 136 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: someone how bare bones the offenses. I just think that 137 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:10,640 Speaker 1: they'll I don't agree with that right now when you 138 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: look at the roster, they are a team that, to 139 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 1: me is a playoff team. If Cam Newton, if you 140 00:07:15,320 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: get the good version of Cam Newton, no questions asked. 141 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: I think you know, when I heard the new news, 142 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,640 Speaker 1: I was kind of ambivalent about it. I always whenever 143 00:07:24,680 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: anything happens regarding the Patriots of the Jets, I get 144 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,640 Speaker 1: a bunch of like tweets like Dan anybody want to 145 00:07:30,720 --> 00:07:34,800 Speaker 1: check on Dancy the endless check on filling the blank person? 146 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 1: I know it's like man, and we're gonna have We're 147 00:07:37,920 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 1: gonna do some winners and losers. Uh, the Cam Newton 148 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: Newton signing after we talked to uh, mikey g But 149 00:07:45,040 --> 00:07:48,200 Speaker 1: I think this was the other shoe that was eventually 150 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:51,160 Speaker 1: gonna drop. But we all expected it too, and maybe 151 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: not a lot of teams are kicking the tires on Cam, UM, 152 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: and I wonder why that is. And maybe that's a 153 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,239 Speaker 1: question will ask Mike, I do want to play Ricky? 154 00:07:59,280 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: Do you have Steve which our buddy UM was on 155 00:08:02,560 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: NFL Network talking about the signing and he and he 156 00:08:05,680 --> 00:08:08,800 Speaker 1: had a nugget that was eyebrow raising, to say the least, 157 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 1: about why some teams or most teams are all teams 158 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: except for the Patriots. UM one reason why some teams 159 00:08:14,880 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 1: were scared away. Let's listen to that. As I spoke 160 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:19,920 Speaker 1: to people from a handful of teams who said, not 161 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 1: every team wants Cam's presence, whatever that means, whether it 162 00:08:24,960 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 1: to be the scarves over the head, the fact that 163 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: he is a big persona in their locker room, whether 164 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:32,640 Speaker 1: the coaches couldn't handle it, or maybe the youth or 165 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:35,960 Speaker 1: whatever the culture of their locker room couldn't necessarily deal 166 00:08:35,960 --> 00:08:38,960 Speaker 1: with that. Especially Cam wasn't the starter. Well, as we know, 167 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 1: the Patriots don't care about that stuff. The Patriots don't 168 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: care about this stuff. And also Cam Newton, and that's 169 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:45,360 Speaker 1: another part of this, Greg and I know you wrote 170 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: about this on NFL dot com. Can if he's healthy, 171 00:08:48,920 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 1: he's gonna be the starter. So if you were a 172 00:08:51,280 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: team and and I don't buy into I buy into 173 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 1: Wie's report. What I don't buy into is this idea 174 00:08:56,200 --> 00:08:58,520 Speaker 1: that he was gonna be somebody was dragging a team 175 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,959 Speaker 1: down because of his person ownA. But the reason the 176 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: Patriots makes so much sense is you don't have to 177 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 1: worry about plugging him in as a number two and 178 00:09:05,080 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: then that becoming a soap opera behind the scenes or 179 00:09:08,000 --> 00:09:10,959 Speaker 1: in the media. He's gonna be the starter. Jared Stidham 180 00:09:11,000 --> 00:09:12,600 Speaker 1: is not gonna be at out of healthy Cam Newton, 181 00:09:12,600 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: and Brian Hoyer might not even be on the team, 182 00:09:15,000 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: right I. I I don't think that's a question it's about 183 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 1: Cam Newton's health. But I do think it points to 184 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: one reason why the Patriots sometimes have an edge over 185 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:26,800 Speaker 1: other teams, and they're they're not the only ones. I 186 00:09:27,200 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: really believe they're not worried about everything else having to 187 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:32,600 Speaker 1: do with Cam because he's not going to be the leader, 188 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: Bill Belichicks the leader, like like I know Tom Brady 189 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: was the leader, but like there's only one of those 190 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:43,400 Speaker 1: guys still left. Like ultimately, that's his team and Cam 191 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: Newton's gonna be part of it. And there's no reason 192 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:52,080 Speaker 1: to think with Cam Newton's competitiveness and leadership that basically 193 00:09:52,120 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 1: every one of his former teammates talk about that it's 194 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 1: gonna be a problem anyways. But ultimately, like the Patriots 195 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,040 Speaker 1: have shown time and again, Randy Moss is another it. 196 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:02,040 Speaker 1: But like they're not gonna sweat that and they're not 197 00:10:02,040 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: gonna be tied. And I think this is where they're 198 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:08,280 Speaker 1: different than some teams this offseason to some plan that 199 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: they feel like that's the way they have to win 200 00:10:11,960 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: the game, Like that's the way they have to be 201 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:16,960 Speaker 1: this season, Like Denver, like we're all in on Drew 202 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 1: Lock and that's the only way we can win. No, 203 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: the Patriots, they just want to figure out a way 204 00:10:22,720 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: to have the best team. And it might be with 205 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 1: Jared Stidham starting games this year, not that he's gonna 206 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,160 Speaker 1: beat him out just because it doesn't work out with Cam. 207 00:10:30,200 --> 00:10:32,720 Speaker 1: I mean, if they believed with all their heart and 208 00:10:32,800 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: Cam they wouldn't. They would have prevented him from signing 209 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:37,720 Speaker 1: with any other team if any other team had showed 210 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: up over the last three months, but no one did. 211 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,480 Speaker 1: They just offered a minimum contract and figured, hey, it's 212 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: worth a shot. Yes, they're gonna I I anticipate expect 213 00:10:46,280 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: that Cam is gonna be their starter if he's right, 214 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: but they're they're not locked into it. They're gonna have 215 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: plans for if Jared Stidham is the starter too, because 216 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:59,680 Speaker 1: how could you not. They are always willing to adapt. 217 00:10:59,720 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: And I thought this year they're gonna try to win 218 00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: with defense and their running game and their offensive line 219 00:11:05,720 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 1: I think looks really good at least has a chance 220 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: to be one of the better Patriots offensive lines that 221 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,320 Speaker 1: they've had, and that's how they're gonna win. And I 222 00:11:13,360 --> 00:11:16,360 Speaker 1: do get a feeling like McDaniels, maybe this is a 223 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:18,880 Speaker 1: little bit off your point, but he's you know, there 224 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:21,160 Speaker 1: was rumors he wanted Lamar and then you know he's 225 00:11:21,160 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: watching all these other teams like beat their defense and 226 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: give them problems with the athletic guys, and and you 227 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:27,920 Speaker 1: do get I do wonder if McDaniels has been looking 228 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 1: at that the last few years and getting a little itchy, 229 00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,880 Speaker 1: you know, begin wanting to get that Tim Tebow playbook 230 00:11:32,880 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: out from two thousand ten and say, hey, I was 231 00:11:34,720 --> 00:11:37,199 Speaker 1: doing some things with with quarterbacks that really weren't like 232 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,079 Speaker 1: the greatest pastors of the world a long time ago. 233 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: Give me Cam Newton, then we can fly. Well, weirdly enough, 234 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: a lot of the Tim Tebow stuff came under John Fox. 235 00:11:45,000 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 1: But I hear you on that, But no McDaniels was was, um, 236 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:51,559 Speaker 1: you know, calling the play, you know, calling the place 237 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 1: for him, right well, he was dispatched as head coach 238 00:11:55,960 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 1: at that point. But I but I I think that 239 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: your point is he drafted Tim Tebow and knew that 240 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: he'd have to deal with him in a different way, 241 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 1: and he'd Cam Newton. Is that you could say, why 242 00:12:05,880 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 1: didn't twenty and other teams going looking too, Cam Newton? 243 00:12:09,200 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 1: This is the perfect fit for him with where we 244 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: are right now with this team, I mean, and I 245 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 1: don't think it's a we simply lost faith in jared' stidham. 246 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:19,200 Speaker 1: It's just like, find out more about jared' stidham. But 247 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: to me, it just advertises that any concept of Bill 248 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,880 Speaker 1: Belichick wanting to win with nothing at quarterback, you know, 249 00:12:25,920 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 1: and our friend Chris Wesley made this point, um, you know, 250 00:12:29,480 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: demonstrably a few times too that that that the other 251 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:35,160 Speaker 1: shoe had not dropped. And ultimately Bill Belichick is not 252 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:39,400 Speaker 1: taking a season off. I think his latter legacy later 253 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: years with the Patriots matters incredibly to him. And this 254 00:12:42,760 --> 00:12:44,880 Speaker 1: is a team now that if you get a good 255 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: version of Cam could be twelve and four without skipping 256 00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:52,240 Speaker 1: a beat and maybe outperformed Tom Brady. Why is it 257 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 1: asking a lot for them to be twelve You ask 258 00:12:55,720 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: me a lot? This is why it's asking a lot, 259 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 1: because you're really going out on a limb to make 260 00:13:01,640 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 1: that assumption that Cam Newton's healthy and that This is 261 00:13:03,800 --> 00:13:07,080 Speaker 1: how the the NFL world reacts. This is a a 262 00:13:07,280 --> 00:13:11,199 Speaker 1: marquee NFL team that is in a post Tom Brady world. 263 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:13,200 Speaker 1: So they're so fascinating. Cam Newton is one of the 264 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,440 Speaker 1: great superstars of the last ten years. So when they 265 00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,000 Speaker 1: come together, there's this temptation just to be like, yep, 266 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: all right, he's gonna be the Cam Newton everybody remembers. 267 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 1: The Patriots are gonna go fifteen and one. Is Mark 268 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:28,640 Speaker 1: prodicted on Twitter yesterday but the reality of the situation, 269 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: there's so much there's so much unknown right now, and 270 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: that's part of the reason I'm an Bivalin is a 271 00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: jet spanner as a fan of a team in the 272 00:13:35,720 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: a f C. So that's not the Patriots. Is that 273 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: before I get all, you know, pupped up and all 274 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: downtrodden about the Patriots going on another long run, we 275 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: gotta see how this guy looks. Because he looked very 276 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: good in the beginning of the twenty eighteen season, and 277 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 1: they jacked up his shoulder and had a serious shoulder 278 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:55,160 Speaker 1: UH surgery, and then when he came back the next season, 279 00:13:55,360 --> 00:13:58,439 Speaker 1: his feet gave out and you cannot underplay. And thirty 280 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:00,439 Speaker 1: one is not old as a quarterback back, which is 281 00:14:00,480 --> 00:14:03,439 Speaker 1: what he is now in two thousand twenty. But when 282 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,679 Speaker 1: you talk about a shoulder injury and you talk about 283 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 1: lower body injuries and the physical way he played the game, 284 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: everyone's like dan Orloski is a guy we all respect. 285 00:14:11,640 --> 00:14:14,839 Speaker 1: A Ton was talking about how um what he can 286 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: bring Cam Newton to this offense is even though they 287 00:14:17,240 --> 00:14:20,360 Speaker 1: don't have explosive players, his ability to run the football 288 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:22,640 Speaker 1: even things out for an offense that doesn't have a 289 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 1: lot of big time playmakers. We don't know if he's 290 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: that guy anymore. So until we see him that way, 291 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: that will judge how panicked I am and the rest 292 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: of the a f C should be. I just think 293 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: we're not there yet. No, that's that's fair. I said, 294 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: if he's healthy, If you if you got Cam Newton 295 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 1: playing sixteen games, the idea that the Patriots will be 296 00:14:41,000 --> 00:14:43,080 Speaker 1: twelve and four, I'd be disappointed if they were eight 297 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: and eate. If you get he could play, but he's 298 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,400 Speaker 1: still the same player. I mean there's a there is 299 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:54,440 Speaker 1: a in between there as well. There's also the guy 300 00:14:55,080 --> 00:14:57,760 Speaker 1: the idea that everyone's overrating him, I I don't. I 301 00:14:57,800 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: just H'm thinking, if you get the good version of 302 00:14:59,640 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: Camp thirty one, other teams decided he wasn't worth it. 303 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: So I don't think he's being overrated. He's signed a 304 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:09,440 Speaker 1: bare bones contract. I think the Patriots have a good 305 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:11,880 Speaker 1: chance to come out of this US thinking oh wow, 306 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:13,760 Speaker 1: they've done it again in the middle of December. I 307 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: just don't think that's crazy. Reality. One other really interesting 308 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: part of this, because everyone's gonna look at all the 309 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: rosters that could have had Cam Newton as their backup 310 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: slash feuding Carolina. They could have looked at it. But 311 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 1: the problem is is that Cam and this is through 312 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 1: no fault of his own, but he's almost too big 313 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 1: a star. And I get why teams like the Pittsburgh Steelers, 314 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:39,920 Speaker 1: who are a perfect example, everybody's like, how and Check 315 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: is having a meltdown? How was Cam Newton not brought 316 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:45,360 Speaker 1: in to be Ben Roethlisberger's back up in his future 317 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:48,640 Speaker 1: the future of the franchise because Ben Roethlisberger can't have 318 00:15:48,720 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 1: Cam Newton in the room. I mean, and maybe he can, 319 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: but I totally get white. Teams will be like, this 320 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: guy is too big. He's an m v P. He's 321 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,480 Speaker 1: larger than life. He's gonna bring in a ton of 322 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: It's gonna be a media circus that we install him 323 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:02,440 Speaker 1: as the backup. And I think that played his big 324 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 1: role as people just saying like, I don't think you 325 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: could play anymore though, that's making decisions, scared, that's making decisions. 326 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: And I think for Pittsburgh, actually I would disagree with Check. 327 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:17,840 Speaker 1: Bennett Roethlisberger is such a unique situation. Hall of famer 328 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: who frankly, if you know, if he's healthy, is better 329 00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:22,920 Speaker 1: than Cam or you know, certainly in the same ballpark. 330 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 1: I would put that to the side. It's more of 331 00:16:24,840 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: the teams with the young ones where the coaching staff 332 00:16:27,320 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: or the young guy they felt like I couldn't handle it, 333 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: which doesn't make a lot of sense to me. There 334 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: is a real question, even as someone who's believed that 335 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: Cam could be a Hall of Fame player, and you 336 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: know he hasn't been to this point, like because he 337 00:16:41,640 --> 00:16:43,760 Speaker 1: is a transformative guy. I've never seen a player like 338 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: There is no there's never been a player like me. 339 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: He looks like a defense eve end. He is. He 340 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: was the greatest short yardage runner in the NFL for 341 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:55,280 Speaker 1: the last decade. That includes every running back. He was 342 00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:59,080 Speaker 1: the biggest difference maker in the red zone inside the 343 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:03,400 Speaker 1: ten yard line of any player, Adrian Peterson, whatever it is, 344 00:17:03,560 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: Cam made a bigger difference. And if you're not getting 345 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:10,840 Speaker 1: of that, and I think that's what you're getting to 346 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:12,920 Speaker 1: dan of, like is he going to be the same 347 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,719 Speaker 1: guy with you know, at post foot injury, then it 348 00:17:15,800 --> 00:17:17,800 Speaker 1: is different. Now. I think he can still be good 349 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 1: and even cent of Cam would be really interesting. And 350 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: I think there's a real strong argument to make that 351 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: he had a pretty bogus coaching staff for most of 352 00:17:27,560 --> 00:17:30,199 Speaker 1: his career. I never believed in Mike Schula. He he 353 00:17:30,800 --> 00:17:33,760 Speaker 1: you know, he hit aces for one season, but it 354 00:17:33,840 --> 00:17:37,520 Speaker 1: fell apart right after. It wasn't that impressive before. And uh, 355 00:17:37,560 --> 00:17:39,200 Speaker 1: I don't think they really knew what to do, and 356 00:17:39,240 --> 00:17:41,040 Speaker 1: they didn't really know how to surround him. Whereas with 357 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:44,119 Speaker 1: the Patriots, the receivers aren't great, but you know, you 358 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,280 Speaker 1: just had worst groups. But the running game I think 359 00:17:46,320 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: could be solid. The offensive line is good, and more importantly, 360 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: the coaching game is good, but it is It is 361 00:17:51,760 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: not unfair to point out Newton played seen and I 362 00:17:57,520 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: went back and looked, you know, at my notes and 363 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,160 Speaker 1: QB index and stuff, and like he struggled those years 364 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 1: and a lot of bad things happened around him. It 365 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:07,920 Speaker 1: was a coaching the injuries around him. But he was 366 00:18:08,000 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: kind of a mid level quarterback. He was. He has 367 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 1: not been a top ten quarterback other than that first 368 00:18:14,119 --> 00:18:15,880 Speaker 1: half of two thousand and eighteen where he did look 369 00:18:15,880 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: pretty good, you know, for a while, for five years. 370 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,680 Speaker 1: And so he's an X factor. He's always been an 371 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: X factor. Um, But I also don't think he's gonna 372 00:18:24,600 --> 00:18:26,600 Speaker 1: have to be that Cam, you know what I mean, Like, 373 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,600 Speaker 1: if the defense is good and the running games good 374 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:33,520 Speaker 1: and Belichick kind of can hide weaknesses and play to strength, 375 00:18:33,600 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 1: It's like you can win games, just like I thought 376 00:18:35,880 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: they could win games with Jared Stidham. I you know, 377 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:39,639 Speaker 1: I thought they were kind of co favorites maybe like 378 00:18:39,720 --> 00:18:42,239 Speaker 1: one b uh. You can win games in different kind 379 00:18:42,280 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: of ways, right. I I would trust Jared Stidham in 380 00:18:45,160 --> 00:18:47,720 Speaker 1: New England ten times more than I would trust Jared 381 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,640 Speaker 1: Stidham in Jacksonville or somewhere else. And I feel that 382 00:18:50,880 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: the issues that you had with Cam Newton's surrounding elements 383 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: in Carolina wipe it off the board. I mean, you're 384 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,840 Speaker 1: literally he's going with the best play caller in the 385 00:19:00,080 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: entire league and the best head coach, so well, like 386 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 1: what about me, Bro, I think Josh has got to 387 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:11,719 Speaker 1: be you know, I wanted more information to ranks, but 388 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:14,200 Speaker 1: I think that you'd have to say, Josh McDaniels has 389 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:16,960 Speaker 1: proven as much as any human being could proved for 390 00:19:17,040 --> 00:19:19,840 Speaker 1: that spot to argue for that spot, and I love 391 00:19:19,880 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 1: the idea of him being paired with Cam. I think 392 00:19:22,000 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: you guys are almost I'm surprised that you're almost a 393 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,960 Speaker 1: little more down on the move than I'm so excited. 394 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:30,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to hear it from Dan's I'm trying to 395 00:19:31,600 --> 00:19:35,760 Speaker 1: admit that Dan's perspective makes sense that there is so 396 00:19:35,880 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: much unknown. As a fan of Cam like I love, 397 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:41,919 Speaker 1: of course, and as a fan of the page, of course, 398 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: I love it because I think the ceiling is outrageous 399 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:47,439 Speaker 1: for a guy who is available at this time. I mean, 400 00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:53,200 Speaker 1: it's just unprecedented. Even even of the ceiling is outstanding. 401 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:55,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it really is like picking up Randy Moss 402 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:57,520 Speaker 1: for a fourth or fifth round pick. He doesn't have 403 00:19:57,560 --> 00:20:00,840 Speaker 1: to play like Randy Moss for the move to make 404 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:03,240 Speaker 1: all the sense in the world, you know what I mean. 405 00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: Like it the other side is outrage I have a 406 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 1: sneaking suspicion the Patriots are gonna come out looking good 407 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: in this move. That's just my intuition. Perhaps I'll be 408 00:20:11,760 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: rowed they could. Ricky, what if I told you that 409 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 1: you're gonna get of Cam Newton? Uh? Still take that 410 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 1: over Jared Stidham or Brian Hoyer. I think you have to. 411 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, I have my reservations about him in general, 412 00:20:28,520 --> 00:20:30,440 Speaker 1: and I'm sure we'll get into that in a little while, 413 00:20:30,640 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: but I think at the end of the at the 414 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: end of the day, yeah, it's just it's Cam Newton 415 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:40,040 Speaker 1: and like you don't like a font on his social media. 416 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: It's like, Okay, I don't know, I think you know, 417 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 1: I I am. I was excited. Yes, I think it's 418 00:20:50,320 --> 00:20:54,639 Speaker 1: it's a good move and it's a little juice that 419 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: they were lacking for sure. Definitely, absolutely, So I feel good, 420 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:01,359 Speaker 1: all right? Or over the Tom Brady thing now and 421 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,160 Speaker 1: you're moving forward as a fan? Is that what you're saying. 422 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm not over the Tom Brady thing, but you know 423 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: that did that? Did suthe the sting a little bit? 424 00:21:12,840 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: So I'd ask you this, Cam Newton is has beating 425 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: the Patriots twice in two appearances. How many times has 426 00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: Tom Brady felled New England? Zero? So advantage Cam right 427 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,439 Speaker 1: out of the gate. What are the odds that you know, 428 00:21:24,480 --> 00:21:26,800 Speaker 1: it's like you went, you went from far to Roger, 429 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, far after Rogers and the couple of mbs. 430 00:21:29,560 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: What are the odds that you go from Tom Brady 431 00:21:31,920 --> 00:21:35,080 Speaker 1: to a quarterback that's better looking? Who would have thought 432 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,600 Speaker 1: that happens? I'm just yeah, I mean to each his own. 433 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's an opinion, but you can you 434 00:21:43,240 --> 00:21:46,120 Speaker 1: can make the argument. You can make. You can certainly 435 00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:49,000 Speaker 1: make that argument. There's no job. Cam Newton is a 436 00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: hot man, but is he hotter than Tom Brady? I 437 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 1: don't know. That's that's up for everyone's debate. I don't know. Yeah. 438 00:21:55,920 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: I mean, anyway, that feels like a good time to 439 00:21:58,320 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: get to. Mike Garafolo last him that as well. Let's 440 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,679 Speaker 1: welcome Mike on right now. Let's welcome him in. He 441 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:07,639 Speaker 1: is the hardest working man at NFL network, or at 442 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: least in the top seven. Mike Garifolo joins us, Hey, buddy, 443 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: welcome to the Around the NFL. Just ranking my okay, 444 00:22:17,600 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 1: behind the scenes, Siciliano's in there. I mean, you gotta 445 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: give it the rappaport even though you don't want to. Um, 446 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,480 Speaker 1: you guys, do you guys got this one or what 447 00:22:32,600 --> 00:22:34,400 Speaker 1: I have? I mean, you can get all our work 448 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: together and count that's one body of work. Yeah. Mike 449 00:22:38,680 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: Garifolo is also that he's doing the Pat Summer All 450 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: thing now, where he's both host and analyst at once, 451 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:47,960 Speaker 1: which puts him in kind of rarefied air. So it's 452 00:22:47,960 --> 00:22:53,240 Speaker 1: great to have. Yeah, listen, the more you can do, um, 453 00:22:53,280 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: you know, it makes him harder. It makes it harder 454 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: for them to to to get rid of you. If 455 00:22:56,800 --> 00:23:00,160 Speaker 1: you get you know, your hands in and everything. Um. 456 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 1: So it's but it's been fun. It's I noticed he 457 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: didn't put like James Palmer on your list late you guys, 458 00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:10,840 Speaker 1: you guess James Palmer. Did anybody work harder down the 459 00:23:10,880 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: stretch last year? James, I wouldn't. I wouldn't use an 460 00:23:13,320 --> 00:23:16,080 Speaker 1: example if it were trying. I've been trying the less 461 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: you can do method and it's um the results are there. 462 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:24,280 Speaker 1: I love you, James Palmer. I know you're watching. Let's 463 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,439 Speaker 1: get into it. Mike Gara follow because you are as 464 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:32,040 Speaker 1: plugged in as anybody. When this news goes down on Sunday? 465 00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:35,040 Speaker 1: Was that something that was bubbling and we haven't even 466 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:38,239 Speaker 1: gotten to the Patriots caught in another scandal and get 467 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: punished for it? Uh storyline to this sixteen minutes apart 468 00:23:41,680 --> 00:23:44,440 Speaker 1: the two news stories. But was this cam Newton to 469 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: the Patriots thing something floating around behind the scenes or 470 00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: didn't kind of drop out of nowhere? I mean it 471 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: was always kind of there. Um, But the timing of 472 00:23:51,800 --> 00:23:55,560 Speaker 1: it was I would say one that not a lot 473 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 1: of folks would have expected right around now, But um, 474 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,359 Speaker 1: you know it, a lot of this stuff is happening 475 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,120 Speaker 1: now that the virtual off season is over, because it's 476 00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 1: kind of been an awkward thing for a lot of 477 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:08,399 Speaker 1: people not realizing whether or not we're gonna have the O, T, 478 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,000 Speaker 1: A s and mini camps. And now that we're clear 479 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 1: through that, it's like, Okay, everybody knows. You know, either 480 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 1: we're reporting the training camp on time or this thing 481 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:17,080 Speaker 1: is gonna continue to get kicked down the road a 482 00:24:17,080 --> 00:24:19,240 Speaker 1: little bit. But uh, now you at least had your 483 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:21,280 Speaker 1: clear direction about whether we're having a spring or not. 484 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,199 Speaker 1: So um, that's where it was for Cam Newton, whose 485 00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:27,480 Speaker 1: other option, only other option, and this I've been mentioning, 486 00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:30,120 Speaker 1: would have been to wait to see if a quarterback 487 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: got injured and then be the uh the Sam Bradford 488 00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 1: for the Vikings, I'll via signing, not via trade, but 489 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,960 Speaker 1: but sametime trade. Don't forget but that that would have 490 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:44,760 Speaker 1: been the situation where you know, it would have been 491 00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:47,240 Speaker 1: a little bit desperate, or a team would have been 492 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: desperate and all of a sudden, maybe you get the 493 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 1: number that you wanted to get. So it was either 494 00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 1: signed now for the Patriots pretty much walk in the 495 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,159 Speaker 1: starter as long as you're healthy, um, or you know, 496 00:24:57,440 --> 00:24:59,359 Speaker 1: go the other route and and and sit there and 497 00:24:59,400 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: wait and maybe somebody gets hurt at some point. Do 498 00:25:03,080 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: you have any info on like what you think you 499 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: might see in terms of the contract, because there hasn't 500 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,160 Speaker 1: really been details out there. I know Ian said up 501 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:13,880 Speaker 1: to seven point five, but I'm just curious because they 502 00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:16,639 Speaker 1: you know, part of the reason I, you know, I 503 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,120 Speaker 1: didn't expect him was it was gonna take him being 504 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 1: a minimum salary player for the Patriots to get him, 505 00:25:22,160 --> 00:25:24,760 Speaker 1: unless they made some crazy move like trade Joe Tooney 506 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,200 Speaker 1: because they you know, supposedly they only had about a 507 00:25:27,240 --> 00:25:30,800 Speaker 1: million dollars in cap space entering this weekend. Yeah, and 508 00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 1: that's where the guarantee is going to be right around there. Um, 509 00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:37,040 Speaker 1: and everything else on top of that is going to 510 00:25:37,080 --> 00:25:42,000 Speaker 1: be starts. Uh, you know, performance wins. We have to 511 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,120 Speaker 1: see the breakdown. I haven't quite seen it yet, in 512 00:25:44,119 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: in part because a lot of times these things don't 513 00:25:46,600 --> 00:25:48,879 Speaker 1: get filed and sent in until they're officially signed, and 514 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:50,280 Speaker 1: we're not there. With Cam, he still got to take 515 00:25:50,280 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: the physical um and and that was my question really 516 00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 1: was how did the Patriots make this move not knowing 517 00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 1: what to expect um from the physical standpoint. And my 518 00:25:58,720 --> 00:26:01,399 Speaker 1: understanding is, you know they've gotten a read on it 519 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,639 Speaker 1: from afar Um. They still have to take their closed 520 00:26:04,640 --> 00:26:07,520 Speaker 1: look and until that happens, they won't be announcing anything. 521 00:26:07,560 --> 00:26:11,600 Speaker 1: But they are confident that they've got themselves. The Cam 522 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 1: Newton from Okay because because and I've been saying this 523 00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 1: on the air today, I don't know that we're ever 524 00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:22,880 Speaker 1: gonna see Cam ever again. But if you see teen Cam, 525 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: this is a team that feels like now they could 526 00:26:25,000 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 1: put themselves back in the championship conversation because he was playing, 527 00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: and that's obviously early before the wheels came off. It 528 00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 1: certainly sounds like Belichick's uh, you know, interviews with various 529 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:38,520 Speaker 1: people around the league, like Norv Turner had an influence 530 00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 1: on this too, on Cam Newton, the person, Cam Newton, 531 00:26:40,800 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: the game prepare the whole eight to c But you know, Greg, 532 00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:47,360 Speaker 1: you mentioned the the cap room. Here are there other 533 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:49,800 Speaker 1: dominoes to fall, Mike, where like you know, you brought 534 00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,360 Speaker 1: in Cam, Um, they maybe still want to add some pieces, 535 00:26:52,560 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 1: or have you heard anything about the Patriots making other 536 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,160 Speaker 1: moves that might draw headlines in the next couple of weeks. 537 00:26:58,560 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: Not to this point because some you know, listen, the 538 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: bigger the two big ones of the guys that have 539 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,280 Speaker 1: already been there, which is Josh Gordon and Antonio Brown. 540 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:10,920 Speaker 1: And from what I gather, there are other teams involved 541 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:14,760 Speaker 1: right now that would make at least for Antonio Brown, 542 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: if they're confident in the off the field stuff, would 543 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: probably make it more worth his while monetarily. So UM, 544 00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:26,040 Speaker 1: I would be surprised at this point if that winds 545 00:27:26,119 --> 00:27:29,520 Speaker 1: up being the case. But there, listen, there there'll be 546 00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:33,000 Speaker 1: um that's via the free agent market. There will be 547 00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: opportunities to make trades for guys as it goes along, 548 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: and Belichick has never been shy about doing that. So 549 00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if, uh, if that might be 550 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 1: an option for them. But we've got to get back 551 00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:46,479 Speaker 1: to work. I mean, like so much stuff that's on 552 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:49,080 Speaker 1: hold until we get back to work. Let's tackett no 553 00:27:49,160 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: on what you just said about Antonio Brown, just because 554 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:53,960 Speaker 1: I'm curious, what what you think that there's teams out 555 00:27:53,960 --> 00:27:57,160 Speaker 1: there that are gonna pay Antonio Brown decent money if 556 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,200 Speaker 1: he gets back into the league. Yeah, I do, because 557 00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,240 Speaker 1: I know they're gonna have to, um, because this is 558 00:28:02,280 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 1: a guy that's still and and listen, you think he's 559 00:28:06,000 --> 00:28:08,840 Speaker 1: gonna be back. Basically, let's let's just do a hypothetical. 560 00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,919 Speaker 1: Let's say the NFL has to spend them eight games. 561 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: You think this guy, you think he's getting back into 562 00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: the NFL. I don't know that they're gonna suspend them 563 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: eight games because and I know you're just throwing out 564 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,679 Speaker 1: a number, I get four whatever, right, But the tone 565 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,160 Speaker 1: in what Roger Goodell was saying about Antonio Brown when 566 00:28:25,160 --> 00:28:26,880 Speaker 1: asked about him at the Super Bowl, I keep going 567 00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:30,520 Speaker 1: back to that. It was not a punitive tone. It 568 00:28:30,760 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: was a um, what's the word I'm looking for? It 569 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,560 Speaker 1: was all about really helping Antonio Brown as the person 570 00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: if he's willing to help himself. Basically rehabilitation. Yeah, rehabilitation, 571 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: I guess is the word. I don't. I don't love 572 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,480 Speaker 1: using that word because you know it's tied to other 573 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: things that Alden Smith was dealing with. And if you 574 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:53,479 Speaker 1: notice in the letter to Alden Smith um when he 575 00:28:53,520 --> 00:28:57,240 Speaker 1: was reinstated, it was all about how the program can 576 00:28:57,240 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: work for him, UM, and how he's shown that he 577 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: wants to stay committed to it, and how he could 578 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:06,040 Speaker 1: be an example for other guys. Um. That was something 579 00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:08,560 Speaker 1: that they communicated to him. So now it's all about, 580 00:29:09,400 --> 00:29:13,440 Speaker 1: as see here, less about this UH program, this drug 581 00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 1: program and this other UH programs UH as a penalty 582 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: for players, and more about something that can help them 583 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,200 Speaker 1: be better players and better people. I mean, I know 584 00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:27,440 Speaker 1: it sounds corny. I'm just I just the tone what 585 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:30,760 Speaker 1: I remember hearing that answer and saying whoa, That was 586 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:34,680 Speaker 1: not what I really expected and it was more of 587 00:29:34,720 --> 00:29:38,520 Speaker 1: a forgiving tone to Roger Goodell. And and the other 588 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 1: thing too, is these allegations against Antonio Brown, they have 589 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: to be proven. You need a little bit more of 590 00:29:44,200 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 1: he said, she said uh in in these cases. Richard 591 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,720 Speaker 1: Sherman had very strong words about the Cam Newton deal. 592 00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: He called it quote disgusting, which is obviously very strong language. Um, 593 00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: is that is that something thing? Are you surprised that 594 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: someone that's been covering this league for so long how 595 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 1: this is played out with Newton? And of course as 596 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:07,920 Speaker 1: long as you've been covering the league, you never had 597 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen to deal. So maybe it's just one of 598 00:30:10,360 --> 00:30:15,080 Speaker 1: those timing situations. But there's also the questions of this contract, 599 00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:16,840 Speaker 1: and I guess we're gonna get more details as they 600 00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:19,479 Speaker 1: go along. But did Cam get anything else out of this, 601 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,040 Speaker 1: like maybe protection from being franchised if he ends up 602 00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: having a big season? What have you heard anything about 603 00:30:25,640 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 1: the contract? And your thoughts about Richard Sherman's comments. Now, 604 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 1: the Patriots have agreed to that before, so if he 605 00:30:30,400 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: did get that, that wouldn't surprise me. We'll see once 606 00:30:33,200 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: everything comes in. But um, it's it's I understand what 607 00:30:38,440 --> 00:30:40,959 Speaker 1: Richard is saying, um, and I agree. I agree with 608 00:30:40,960 --> 00:30:44,800 Speaker 1: it to a certain extent. Um. But I would say 609 00:30:44,840 --> 00:30:48,800 Speaker 1: that the reason that teams didn't make this because because 610 00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 1: early on, let's go back early on a free agency, 611 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,760 Speaker 1: Cam Newton had a certain number in his head for 612 00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: what he was going to get. The problem is you need, 613 00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: uh what ballpark do you think I mean it was. 614 00:30:59,040 --> 00:31:00,760 Speaker 1: I'm sure it was in the twenty I mean that's 615 00:31:00,800 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 1: what you know. Everybody knows. Top starter money right now 616 00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: is in the thirties, the low thirties, So I would 617 00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: say it would be in the twenties and you look 618 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: at some of the guys making money in the twenties. 619 00:31:10,040 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm sure he's sitting there saying I'm way better than 620 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,480 Speaker 1: these guys. UM, So I don't blame him for for 621 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: for winning that. Now. It all comes down to situation 622 00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:20,080 Speaker 1: and circumstance too, because uh, even Nick Foles, that's the 623 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,320 Speaker 1: one that people have kind of been holding up against, saying, Okay, well, 624 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:25,280 Speaker 1: why didn't the Bears bringing Cam Newton instead of Nick Foles. 625 00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: Nick Foles had to rework his contract. Okay, he had 626 00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,640 Speaker 1: a big number left in the deal and they had 627 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,719 Speaker 1: to work it a way to spread it out so 628 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,760 Speaker 1: that it's it's not a huge number over the next 629 00:31:34,800 --> 00:31:38,800 Speaker 1: three years. Um. And the other thing is they still 630 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: have a guy in Chicago that they want to win 631 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,239 Speaker 1: the starting job. Make no mistake, the Bears would love 632 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: Mitch Drobisky to win that job to continue as a 633 00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: quarterback because that's a guy that they've invested so much 634 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: in and they want to be right in the end. 635 00:31:51,520 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: They want to be right about Mitch Drabinsky. Whereas in 636 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 1: this case with New England, it was an opportunity that 637 00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 1: presented itself because they really didn't rushed to go out 638 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:03,520 Speaker 1: and trade for Andy Dalton or signed Dalton once he 639 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: became free, or plug somebody in. They they took their, uh, 640 00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,280 Speaker 1: the more patient approach. Now I did ask this, I said, 641 00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:14,720 Speaker 1: how how quickly did this thing come together with the Patriots? 642 00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: And I'm told that it came together really quickly, asterisk 643 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:22,840 Speaker 1: on that nobody knows how long. Belichick himself was kind 644 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:26,239 Speaker 1: of monitoring this by himself. So all along we've been 645 00:32:26,240 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: talking about, Yeah, they seem like they're kind of we 646 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:31,120 Speaker 1: can't rule it out, you know they but but they're 647 00:32:31,120 --> 00:32:33,360 Speaker 1: not making a strong push for Cam Newton is because 648 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,480 Speaker 1: Belichick was kind of monitoring it the whole time and 649 00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 1: probably waiting to the point where Newton said, you know what, 650 00:32:38,880 --> 00:32:40,479 Speaker 1: I'll take this deal because you know what, I can 651 00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: come in and I could play for the best coach 652 00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: in the league and re established myself, show everybody I'm 653 00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:49,560 Speaker 1: healthy and now I can hit a big number next offseason. 654 00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:52,280 Speaker 1: I mean, there was a note out there from Adam 655 00:32:52,320 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 1: Schefter that the Browns those words here. I mean, if 656 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,600 Speaker 1: if Ian was on the show right now, he would 657 00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,720 Speaker 1: have just blast you into space. But even with Mike, 658 00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: it can be well, another news man out there offered 659 00:33:05,360 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: this up that the Browns had looked into Cam Newton, 660 00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 1: which the timing, you know it needs to be unpacked, 661 00:33:11,760 --> 00:33:15,440 Speaker 1: would have happened after they signed case Keenum if you 662 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,520 Speaker 1: go by the time when the Panthers said goodbye to 663 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: Cam Newton, which I find to be an interesting wrinkle 664 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: now I was. I was also told at some point 665 00:33:23,440 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 1: by Andrew Berry, uh because I was asking about something 666 00:33:26,920 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 1: and had a conversation with him at some point and 667 00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,880 Speaker 1: he said, you don't like where I'm in on everything? 668 00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:36,479 Speaker 1: And he worked with Howie Roseman, who is in on everything. 669 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,200 Speaker 1: You ever noticed how many times the Eagles are linked 670 00:33:38,200 --> 00:33:41,400 Speaker 1: to a player because they're in on everything, because you 671 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 1: just never know what you're gonna come up with if 672 00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 1: you investigate. So I believe it was more along those 673 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 1: lines and Berry being new on the job. There there's 674 00:33:51,280 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: like many other teams tree, but the buglets is from 675 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 1: the Eagles tree. That's why I picked up the phone 676 00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,720 Speaker 1: and the Cowboys called, come on, Jamal, And that's a 677 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:02,880 Speaker 1: smart teams do I think I think they wouldn't It 678 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't have been. It might have been smart for the 679 00:34:04,600 --> 00:34:06,440 Speaker 1: Jets to be in on Cam Newton. That's the type 680 00:34:06,440 --> 00:34:08,799 Speaker 1: of team where I mean it where it's like you're 681 00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:14,239 Speaker 1: being a little afraid of making a good move. I mean, 682 00:34:12,640 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: you have a plan, you want to work your Chicago. 683 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:19,799 Speaker 1: You want this plan that is not working. According to 684 00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:22,560 Speaker 1: our eyesight, it must work, and so you don't go 685 00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:24,560 Speaker 1: out and get the better quarterback. I think that's why 686 00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 1: two thirds of the league are not competitive with New England, 687 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 1: and I think it's important. Yeah, I just want to 688 00:34:30,440 --> 00:34:33,879 Speaker 1: say to Greg's point, the Jets love Sam Donald. Greg, 689 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 1: you don't. You don't seem to like him so much him. 690 00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:40,239 Speaker 1: You have to understand that. My point is having right, 691 00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:43,080 Speaker 1: But they have to at least maybe they don't, but 692 00:34:43,120 --> 00:34:45,680 Speaker 1: they have to live in a world where there's other, 693 00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:48,839 Speaker 1: you know options A Donald can get hurt, but be like, 694 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 1: what do we do if we're six games into the 695 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:55,000 Speaker 1: season and it's going terribly Like have other routes to 696 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:57,360 Speaker 1: maybe possibly and just be open to, you know, open 697 00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,279 Speaker 1: to like would he come in for two millions? But no, 698 00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,440 Speaker 1: I can get why Joe Douglas would not be confident 699 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: in Adam Gates to handle that situation. Since then that's 700 00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 1: sort of That's what I mean. You have to play 701 00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,920 Speaker 1: afraid when you're not confident in your own building. I 702 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: would I would just go back to what Richard Chairman 703 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,600 Speaker 1: was upset about and what other folks might be saying about. Well, 704 00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,560 Speaker 1: how did the Patriots let this happen? Could you imagine? 705 00:35:20,840 --> 00:35:23,560 Speaker 1: I mean, gole, let's stick with the Jets. Let's stick 706 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:26,120 Speaker 1: with the Jets. Go back to Tim Tebow coming in 707 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: behind Mark Sanchez. If you don't think that was a 708 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:35,399 Speaker 1: net negative effect on Sanchez? Really like this circus exactly? Well? 709 00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,200 Speaker 1: And what was the line? One one time Sanchez let 710 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: his guard down. It was like on a Friday, and 711 00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:43,920 Speaker 1: that it got a little bit of attention. He said, um, oh, 712 00:35:44,040 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: selling seats. Somebody asked him about Tebow and he's like 713 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,719 Speaker 1: selling seats, man like basically saying it was it was 714 00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,400 Speaker 1: a promotional thing. And you could see the frustration on 715 00:35:53,440 --> 00:35:55,319 Speaker 1: his face when he said that, and it was just 716 00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:58,239 Speaker 1: a little peek into of course, he didn't want this 717 00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,319 Speaker 1: side show with him out. But they both weren't that 718 00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,279 Speaker 1: great at playing quarterback, and that would have been true 719 00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:05,240 Speaker 1: no matter what. And so you just need to find 720 00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:08,000 Speaker 1: a quarterback that that is good at playing quarterback and 721 00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,640 Speaker 1: have have options and not not be afraid maybe it 722 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,719 Speaker 1: didn't make sense for for this Jets team in particular, 723 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:16,800 Speaker 1: but I just mean in general, like, why be afraid 724 00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:20,239 Speaker 1: of winning different types of ways having other plans if 725 00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:24,239 Speaker 1: you're a plan is not working. And listen, Uh, Belichick 726 00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:28,279 Speaker 1: is not afraid in ways that other coaches are afraid, right, So, 727 00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,080 Speaker 1: and and they could still I mean, this is a 728 00:36:31,120 --> 00:36:35,200 Speaker 1: low guarantee contract. Theoretically, Jared Stidham could still beat out 729 00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:37,359 Speaker 1: Cam Newton Cam Newton for this starting job. But as 730 00:36:37,400 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 1: I described it on the air earlier, my belief, based 731 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: on the conversations that I have had, uh since this 732 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:47,839 Speaker 1: thing went down, is it's Cam versus Cam. If Cam 733 00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: comes in and is healthy and shows that he can 734 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:52,760 Speaker 1: play good football again, it's it's Cam in a runaway. 735 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:55,000 Speaker 1: There's no question about that. Despite the fact that now 736 00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:59,640 Speaker 1: you're gonna have to tweak your offense, okay, and you're 737 00:36:59,640 --> 00:37:00,880 Speaker 1: gonna have to do it in a year where you 738 00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:03,920 Speaker 1: didn't have a spring and you're gonna have maybe not 739 00:37:04,040 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: maybe you're definitely gonna have some kind of abbreviated training 740 00:37:06,400 --> 00:37:11,640 Speaker 1: camp and maybe uh two to no preseason games. So 741 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 1: this is a team that's not afraid to do that 742 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 1: because they've done it for twenty years now. Granted they 743 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,279 Speaker 1: did it with Brady at quarterback, but the point is 744 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 1: they trusted the guys around Brady to be able to 745 00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: make those adjustments, and not only year to year, week 746 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:27,080 Speaker 1: to week and quarter to quarter, drive to drive, be 747 00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:30,120 Speaker 1: able to make these adjustments if something's not working, scraped 748 00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:31,799 Speaker 1: the game plan and let's go back to some of 749 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,600 Speaker 1: the stuff that maybe we haven't done since training camp. 750 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: That's why the timing thing is is crucial because they 751 00:37:37,400 --> 00:37:40,600 Speaker 1: now have this month to to get that offense ready, 752 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,719 Speaker 1: and of course they're going to be planning like an 753 00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:46,839 Speaker 1: offense into Richard Sermon's initial point. I think we've talked 754 00:37:46,840 --> 00:37:49,040 Speaker 1: about this. Kim has had a lot of bad luck. 755 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,080 Speaker 1: I think in his career. He certainly has with the 756 00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:53,480 Speaker 1: injuries the last couple of years. This offseason was bad 757 00:37:53,520 --> 00:37:55,440 Speaker 1: luck to be any quarterback looking for a job. I 758 00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,239 Speaker 1: mean Andy Dalton getting If you had told me at 759 00:37:57,239 --> 00:37:59,080 Speaker 1: the beginning of the officin Andy Dalton was gonna sign 760 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,960 Speaker 1: for two or three million, I would have been shocked 761 00:38:00,960 --> 00:38:03,279 Speaker 1: by that. Now, Cam, I think is another level. But 762 00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:06,439 Speaker 1: if you look back four or five off seasons ago, 763 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: there's a lot of off seasons where Sam Bradford coming 764 00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:11,840 Speaker 1: off an injuries the bell of the ball at quarterback 765 00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:14,879 Speaker 1: and there's seven teams looking or Kevin Cobbs the bell 766 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:16,479 Speaker 1: of the ball and teams are gonna give up picks 767 00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: for a brock Oswilder's gonna get them with like three 768 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:21,520 Speaker 1: teams going after, whereas this year there was only like 769 00:38:22,000 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: there's almost no teams looking for quarterbacks and they're actually 770 00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,040 Speaker 1: where decent players available. I think it was all combined 771 00:38:27,120 --> 00:38:30,040 Speaker 1: to to hurt Cam. You gotta mention Mike Glennon there too. 772 00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:34,239 Speaker 1: That's actually the best example. I blew it, Mike. What 773 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:37,080 Speaker 1: are you doing? Um? Fourth of July and Jersey in 774 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:42,600 Speaker 1: a very strange year. Uh, well, we're gonna be down 775 00:38:42,640 --> 00:38:44,799 Speaker 1: the shore, but I'm trying to think we're gonna have 776 00:38:44,880 --> 00:38:48,319 Speaker 1: a I'll keep it to the bare minimum facts. We 777 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: are going to have a baby review. Um, which I'm sorry, 778 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,200 Speaker 1: thank you, I'm sorry I didn't allow you guys to 779 00:38:55,239 --> 00:39:00,120 Speaker 1: break that one again. Awesome the first time around, you 780 00:39:00,160 --> 00:39:04,240 Speaker 1: guys had our corner. We got about that. I gotta 781 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 1: I gotta spread it out. I got a lot of 782 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,080 Speaker 1: mouse to feed, So we're gonna do a baby reveal 783 00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,120 Speaker 1: over the weekend. We're just trying to figure out where 784 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:13,880 Speaker 1: and how is there gonna be like a like a 785 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: like a gun involved, you know, where like steamers come 786 00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,880 Speaker 1: out of the gun, not a real gun, but like 787 00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,919 Speaker 1: people get pretty crazy with this stuff. Now. Uh, we're 788 00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: working on it. We're working on it. Did we lose 789 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: Did we lose that? What's happening? He is he is returning? 790 00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,920 Speaker 1: Are you you're only an audio program, Mike. Just roll 791 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:30,840 Speaker 1: with the punches here, Mike, you're not one of the people. 792 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,040 Speaker 1: You know, this is happening on both coastlines um that 793 00:39:33,120 --> 00:39:36,000 Speaker 1: have just been setting off fireworks every night since like 794 00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,040 Speaker 1: May eight. Are you just that something that I could 795 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:42,279 Speaker 1: pin on you? Or is that not not accurate? No, No, 796 00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,560 Speaker 1: that's not okay. I'm just trying to figure out who's 797 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:51,439 Speaker 1: doing it. We've kind of guilty with this. We've we've 798 00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: we've had it and I had a couple of things 799 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,120 Speaker 1: rattling around my head right now. That's fine, and neither 800 00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: one of them do I actually want to say? So 801 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm just gonna plead the fifth on this one to 802 00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:08,640 Speaker 1: text you offline. How about that? Okay? Mike Gara, Folo, 803 00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,919 Speaker 1: thank you? So much for joining us. Congratulations on another child, 804 00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: by the way, we well, thank you, thank you very much. 805 00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:18,920 Speaker 1: But I like to preach accountability. I gotta follow my sword. 806 00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:21,839 Speaker 1: I've been itching to get back on here with you guys, 807 00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,920 Speaker 1: because I think I left you the last time with 808 00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,399 Speaker 1: Gregg asking me. We were in Indianapolis, and he said, 809 00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,840 Speaker 1: is Philip Rivers gonna wind up the quarterback of the Colts? 810 00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: And I got too cute because I knew that they 811 00:40:30,840 --> 00:40:34,880 Speaker 1: had already had talks with the Jaguars about Nick Folks. 812 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:38,040 Speaker 1: So I said to you, I don't think so. I 813 00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:40,239 Speaker 1: think it might be another veteran quarterback. And I didn't 814 00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,600 Speaker 1: lead on about who it might be, and they did. 815 00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,880 Speaker 1: In the end it was Rivers falls, Rivers fault, and 816 00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:46,440 Speaker 1: they decided let's just go with Rivers and not go 817 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,400 Speaker 1: up any draft pick compensation. But that's been eating at 818 00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 1: me because it was right there I had to do 819 00:40:50,719 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 1: and say, yes. Nobody would remember, but I bet you 820 00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,520 Speaker 1: more people remember that I said no, So none of us, 821 00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,960 Speaker 1: none of us would have remembered what your first answer was. 822 00:40:59,040 --> 00:41:01,399 Speaker 1: But that is why year a pro that's why you've 823 00:41:01,440 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: gotten to where you are. Things like that keep you 824 00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,160 Speaker 1: up at night. Thank you for clearing that up, Mike, 825 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:09,359 Speaker 1: and enjoy the time with the family and we love 826 00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:11,839 Speaker 1: having you with us. Alright, Pwice, thank you very much. 827 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Happy for thanks Mike. Bye bye. See 828 00:41:16,200 --> 00:41:21,560 Speaker 1: there he goes Mike Gara, Folo, gender reveal. I just 829 00:41:21,640 --> 00:41:27,279 Speaker 1: missed that. I think that really got big right after Well, yeah, 830 00:41:27,480 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: you know, I mean it doesn't mean everyone has to 831 00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:35,200 Speaker 1: or well I can. I would never do that. She 832 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: just would not be into it. Yeah, they did it 833 00:41:37,040 --> 00:41:40,920 Speaker 1: on our show. Yeah they did. Remember they poured the 834 00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:43,360 Speaker 1: wine and it was blue. I don't think you know, 835 00:41:43,480 --> 00:41:46,080 Speaker 1: Lakeisha was very organized on the pregnancy front. I don't 836 00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,520 Speaker 1: think you were getting through that process without a gender reveal. 837 00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:52,920 Speaker 1: And that was a big moment. Gender reveals were invented 838 00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:56,960 Speaker 1: for Lakisha Jackson Westling to have a child. Basically, Um, 839 00:41:57,000 --> 00:42:01,040 Speaker 1: all right, let us get to some winners losers. Wrap 840 00:42:01,120 --> 00:42:03,480 Speaker 1: up this Cam Newton conversation with some winners and losers. 841 00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,239 Speaker 1: I'll start that. I'll start it out. Maybe we'll share 842 00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:11,080 Speaker 1: one or two each a winner. The Bill Belichick is 843 00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: playing chess while the world is playing checkers. Mob, I mean, 844 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:17,719 Speaker 1: everybody was wow. The Pats have done it again. Well, 845 00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,480 Speaker 1: it's kind of like that's the same thing with the 846 00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:25,399 Speaker 1: Patriots drafting Tom Brady with the overall pick. Sometimes it's 847 00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,359 Speaker 1: just things work out in your favor, and the and 848 00:42:27,400 --> 00:42:30,280 Speaker 1: the and I don't think the Patriots. The Patriots were smart. 849 00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:32,279 Speaker 1: They would have they would have gotten this guy a 850 00:42:32,280 --> 00:42:35,000 Speaker 1: long time ago and not risked waiting all this time, 851 00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:37,839 Speaker 1: because they really would have been a very good chance. 852 00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,120 Speaker 1: Let's face it, unless you really think Jarge Stidham is 853 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,440 Speaker 1: going to develop into a player, there was a real 854 00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,040 Speaker 1: chance that Pats are gonna be caught with their pants 855 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: down this season. They wouldn't have got him for one 856 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: million dollars, which they had. I mean, well, if you're 857 00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,640 Speaker 1: saying that, like, if this is a quarterback position, the 858 00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:58,440 Speaker 1: most important important position on the field, if they really 859 00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:01,760 Speaker 1: knew thought they needed Cam Newton, wouldn't they have found 860 00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:04,120 Speaker 1: a way that they didn't think they need Cam Newton. 861 00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:06,920 Speaker 1: I think to me, that's that's my takeaway a lot 862 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,160 Speaker 1: with Patriots me. And that's why, like I'm making the 863 00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: case for the Bronchers. Just the point isn't that you 864 00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:13,319 Speaker 1: need Cam Newton. The point is, let's just try to 865 00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,759 Speaker 1: get better. Um, oh, you know your way off that 866 00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,000 Speaker 1: You're right, he would They were ready to go into 867 00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,239 Speaker 1: the season with Stidham. They still they still would be 868 00:43:23,239 --> 00:43:26,799 Speaker 1: because they were prepared obviously for any team if they 869 00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,960 Speaker 1: had wanted to to sign Cam Newton at any point. 870 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:31,600 Speaker 1: But at this point it's like you stopped looking, you know, 871 00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,719 Speaker 1: you stop ignoring value at the at the behest of 872 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: like whatever they were planning. It's it's such a different 873 00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,360 Speaker 1: situation though. I mean to say that the Patriots situation, 874 00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:43,040 Speaker 1: and you can compare the Patriots and the Jets, you 875 00:43:43,080 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: can't because the Patriots had a clear need at starting quarterback, 876 00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:49,640 Speaker 1: uh and the page and the Jets, and I think 877 00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,520 Speaker 1: Mike was getting to that point as well. If if 878 00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,920 Speaker 1: their guy is Sam Donald and they bring into a 879 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: star like Cam Newton in there, that creates not just 880 00:43:59,760 --> 00:44:02,239 Speaker 1: makes a roster better, but at what cost? And that 881 00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:04,600 Speaker 1: that's why I think the Patriots it was a slam 882 00:44:04,680 --> 00:44:06,920 Speaker 1: dunck move for them because it makes them better and 883 00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 1: it doesn't have any of that negative stuff that would 884 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:10,759 Speaker 1: have come with you do you signed with the Jets 885 00:44:10,760 --> 00:44:13,560 Speaker 1: of the Steelers or whoever else. But the only thing, 886 00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:17,799 Speaker 1: I mean, your your initial point was that everyone suggesting 887 00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,839 Speaker 1: that Belichick plays chess while everyone else is learning how 888 00:44:20,840 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: to play checkers still, but he is, and he has 889 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:25,319 Speaker 1: been for a long I mean, are you actually saying 890 00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:28,359 Speaker 1: that that's not what building I'm saying. I'm saying this 891 00:44:28,480 --> 00:44:31,120 Speaker 1: was a no brainer for the Patriots. They should have 892 00:44:31,120 --> 00:44:33,799 Speaker 1: done they though I don't think they had. I do 893 00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:35,959 Speaker 1: think that there's something to what Greg is saying about 894 00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,440 Speaker 1: the fact that like it wasn't like there was a 895 00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,800 Speaker 1: stress um in a in an element of panic to 896 00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,280 Speaker 1: adding Cam Newton to the roster. I think they waited 897 00:44:44,320 --> 00:44:47,320 Speaker 1: until the price was right. Um there a cap strap 898 00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 1: team and no other team acted, so it became more 899 00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,560 Speaker 1: and more of reality. I don't think it was a 900 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:56,000 Speaker 1: master plan to do that either, but the timing now fits, 901 00:44:56,000 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: and I think three months ago people did not know 902 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:00,600 Speaker 1: where we were with Cam Newton's health even more than today. 903 00:45:00,800 --> 00:45:03,520 Speaker 1: There was information gathering. I don't know how much more 904 00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:05,399 Speaker 1: we know now than we did three months ago about 905 00:45:05,400 --> 00:45:07,759 Speaker 1: how well we've seen him working. There's you know, and 906 00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:10,200 Speaker 1: what was built. Bill Belichick knows more than the media 907 00:45:10,280 --> 00:45:14,360 Speaker 1: does if he's talking to people around Cam Newton. But yeah, 908 00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:16,560 Speaker 1: I don't know. I just think it's a little it's 909 00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,239 Speaker 1: underheaded to have the viewpoint that only Bill Belichick saw 910 00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:22,040 Speaker 1: that Cam Newton could make his team better when there 911 00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:24,680 Speaker 1: were a lot of different factors that came into play 912 00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,160 Speaker 1: that allowed this to play out this way. But that's 913 00:45:27,160 --> 00:45:30,160 Speaker 1: just mine. How about who's got another one? Well, I 914 00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,239 Speaker 1: would give you a loser. And it's similar to what 915 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,719 Speaker 1: you're talking about a little bit, Dan, that we're about 916 00:45:36,719 --> 00:45:40,640 Speaker 1: a month away probably from a devastating quarterback injury to occur. 917 00:45:40,920 --> 00:45:42,839 Speaker 1: And I think that a lot of the league, and 918 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:44,799 Speaker 1: you know, we would be great to find out where 919 00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:47,160 Speaker 1: people were on Cam Newton, how close any teams really 920 00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:49,719 Speaker 1: got to signing him. But it seemed to be that 921 00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,800 Speaker 1: Cam Newton got slotted into the someone just going to 922 00:45:52,960 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: sign them, making their starter when you know, quarterback a 923 00:45:55,680 --> 00:45:58,120 Speaker 1: goes down because all these teams didn't want to deal 924 00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:00,960 Speaker 1: with Cam Newton the backup create and all the business 925 00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:03,440 Speaker 1: we've talked about, the drama. I mean, that kind of 926 00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:07,800 Speaker 1: planning is now out the window because I really actually 927 00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,640 Speaker 1: completely agree with Greg's take that Can Newton being added 928 00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:13,759 Speaker 1: to the right side of team just makes that quarterbook 929 00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,160 Speaker 1: back room looks so much better and all these teams 930 00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:20,320 Speaker 1: with if he's situations avoided it and now he is gone, 931 00:46:20,400 --> 00:46:22,960 Speaker 1: He's gone to the team that he's going to thrive with. 932 00:46:23,080 --> 00:46:25,680 Speaker 1: Most so I all these other teams the past, I 933 00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,600 Speaker 1: think are going to be a talking point all season long. 934 00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,879 Speaker 1: And I'd start with the Panthers because I like Matt 935 00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,719 Speaker 1: Rule a ton, but I think that there was an 936 00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:36,160 Speaker 1: element of if you really want a fresh start in Carolina, 937 00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,680 Speaker 1: does it make sense to start over with like the Patriots. 938 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,400 Speaker 1: Matt Rule is the leader of that team, not Cam Newton. 939 00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,840 Speaker 1: And the split, which was very messy, happened very quickly. 940 00:46:46,719 --> 00:46:49,960 Speaker 1: It was tough. It would have been tough there. But 941 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 1: but I I also think he would fit into that 942 00:46:52,239 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: Matt Rule system. I'll throw some winners. How about NFL 943 00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,560 Speaker 1: fans who were you know seeing the Patriots in prime 944 00:46:58,600 --> 00:47:00,160 Speaker 1: time four or five times? Because that was a bit 945 00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,080 Speaker 1: of a risk here, and so if you if you 946 00:47:02,160 --> 00:47:04,920 Speaker 1: have a cam in prime time, Um, that's a lot 947 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:08,000 Speaker 1: more exciting. How about a winner Jewel Julian Edelman, Um, 948 00:47:08,440 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I don't know necessarily, like, hey, he's gonna 949 00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:14,359 Speaker 1: get more balls with with Cam Newton or not. But 950 00:47:14,800 --> 00:47:17,319 Speaker 1: I do think the Patriots are seen, and this is 951 00:47:17,320 --> 00:47:20,320 Speaker 1: where I'm being a homer. I don't think the receivers 952 00:47:20,320 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: are as disastrous as kind of it's been painted. Now. 953 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,200 Speaker 1: If most of new looks like he did last year 954 00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,239 Speaker 1: when he played through a high ankle spraying the second 955 00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: he got there, that could be part of it. And 956 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: if Nakil Harry is a total bust, which feels like 957 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:36,160 Speaker 1: it's on the table because it was a disconcer disconcerting 958 00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:39,120 Speaker 1: first year out of a first round pick, like I 959 00:47:39,160 --> 00:47:43,920 Speaker 1: get it. But Edelman s new Harry a couple of 960 00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:46,399 Speaker 1: rookie tight ends. I don't know. I've seen, I've seen 961 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,800 Speaker 1: worst wide receiver groups, and I do think Edelman fits 962 00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: pretty well with Cam Newton, who throws well up the seams. 963 00:47:52,840 --> 00:47:55,040 Speaker 1: I would take issue with the primetime thing a little 964 00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:56,880 Speaker 1: bit because I think that there was there would have 965 00:47:56,920 --> 00:48:00,720 Speaker 1: been an audience, a national audience script by the idea 966 00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,160 Speaker 1: of Jared Stidham rolled out there and we want to 967 00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,400 Speaker 1: watch it burn, right, So if they're just gonna be 968 00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: a playoff team with Cam Newton, but it's just fascinating, 969 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:11,839 Speaker 1: isn't it. Even if you're a relatively and I think 970 00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:13,680 Speaker 1: a lot of Cam Newton fans who hate the Patriot. 971 00:48:13,719 --> 00:48:15,359 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people who just like watching Cam 972 00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:17,680 Speaker 1: Newton play football, including me, who aren't Patriots fans. They're 973 00:48:17,680 --> 00:48:19,320 Speaker 1: just kind of like, all right, this will be fun. 974 00:48:19,400 --> 00:48:22,040 Speaker 1: You know, let's watch this. If we got a Stidham 975 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:26,440 Speaker 1: Hoyer poopoo platter and neither guy could play, Uh that 976 00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 1: that kind of enjoyment of watching the Patriots fall flat 977 00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:32,719 Speaker 1: would probably wear off by the time they were two 978 00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:36,200 Speaker 1: and five and they had five playoffs. They have five 979 00:48:36,360 --> 00:48:40,719 Speaker 1: prime time games scheduled right now your house. I think 980 00:48:40,719 --> 00:48:43,040 Speaker 1: you would enjoy that wire to wire. I don't think 981 00:48:43,040 --> 00:48:46,240 Speaker 1: you'd be bored. I probably would, but yeah I would. 982 00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:48,400 Speaker 1: I would probably enjoy it all season long. But also 983 00:48:48,520 --> 00:48:51,959 Speaker 1: like every feels that way too after the last few years. 984 00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:54,560 Speaker 1: I mean they're early schedule two is tough. I mean 985 00:48:54,560 --> 00:48:56,680 Speaker 1: they're they're toughest games, you know with the Chiefs, and 986 00:48:56,719 --> 00:48:59,160 Speaker 1: some of them are all early in the season. A 987 00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:03,319 Speaker 1: big winner is the shamelessness meter for the Patriots. It 988 00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,759 Speaker 1: busted past the ten meter and it's all the way 989 00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,400 Speaker 1: up to twelve. Now. It's just it bursted with it 990 00:49:08,480 --> 00:49:13,800 Speaker 1: burst with the announcement sixteen minutes apart, Ladies and gentlemen, 991 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:19,560 Speaker 1: sixteen minutes apart the announcement of the Cam Newton Newton signing, 992 00:49:20,080 --> 00:49:23,760 Speaker 1: sixteen minutes before the Adam Schefter report that the Patriots 993 00:49:23,800 --> 00:49:26,959 Speaker 1: were fined one point one million dollars and we'll lose 994 00:49:27,000 --> 00:49:31,640 Speaker 1: their third round pick for filming the Bengals sideline in 995 00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:35,040 Speaker 1: connection to one of their team produced shows playing the game. 996 00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:38,919 Speaker 1: That is, I mean it is. Listen, I'm not even 997 00:49:40,200 --> 00:49:44,279 Speaker 1: the publications it is. I'm not even mad. But this 998 00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,000 Speaker 1: organization they just they and you gotta you gotta give 999 00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,160 Speaker 1: give it to them. And I will say, just like 1000 00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:53,480 Speaker 1: because somebody's got to say it. It's just the latest 1001 00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:56,640 Speaker 1: in what's been a major part of this what this 1002 00:49:56,719 --> 00:49:59,040 Speaker 1: legacy is for this organization. I'm sorry. You could have 1003 00:49:59,320 --> 00:50:02,239 Speaker 1: the greatest code and the greatest quarterback and all the rings, 1004 00:50:02,280 --> 00:50:05,280 Speaker 1: but this is now, by my account, the fourth major 1005 00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:08,239 Speaker 1: scandal connected to this team, and then a myriad of 1006 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,280 Speaker 1: smaller ones. But you had a spy Gate No. Seven, 1007 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,560 Speaker 1: you had the a f C Championship game to flake 1008 00:50:13,600 --> 00:50:17,040 Speaker 1: Gate in fourteen. This videotape scandal is not nearly at 1009 00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:19,040 Speaker 1: that same level. But again they got busted for it, 1010 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,840 Speaker 1: and it's a substantial fine, and the draft pick that 1011 00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:23,759 Speaker 1: has a lot of value in patriot Land. I'm not 1012 00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,880 Speaker 1: even gonna get into walk through gate in two thousand 1013 00:50:25,960 --> 00:50:28,239 Speaker 1: two before the first Super Bowl, but it's part of 1014 00:50:28,280 --> 00:50:30,799 Speaker 1: their story and it should not be ignored. I know 1015 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,359 Speaker 1: that everyone acts like this latest thing was. I think 1016 00:50:33,360 --> 00:50:36,480 Speaker 1: there's a fair amount of exhaustion when when you hear 1017 00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: a news story about the Patriots you're doing something with 1018 00:50:38,960 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: a video camera anywhere, You're just like, al right, But 1019 00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,000 Speaker 1: I mean to me, if the league decided that the 1020 00:50:46,080 --> 00:50:49,360 Speaker 1: penalty for what they um before the wrong was a 1021 00:50:49,480 --> 00:50:53,200 Speaker 1: third round pick in one million dollars, what today? What 1022 00:50:53,280 --> 00:50:56,919 Speaker 1: are they claiming behind this behind closed doors happened here? 1023 00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,040 Speaker 1: Is it not similar suspects suspicious behavior that looks like 1024 00:51:01,120 --> 00:51:04,680 Speaker 1: other Patriots taping issues, because if it is, shouldn't the 1025 00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:07,840 Speaker 1: penalty have been wholly different than this. I don't understand 1026 00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:10,239 Speaker 1: where they here's the investigation. We've come up with the 1027 00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,400 Speaker 1: idea that they've done this and it's only worth a 1028 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,160 Speaker 1: third round pick, and you know, like eight pennies out 1029 00:51:15,160 --> 00:51:18,560 Speaker 1: of Robert Kraft's pocket. Uh, I need to know more. 1030 00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,200 Speaker 1: I I think part of it that, at least in 1031 00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:23,400 Speaker 1: the reasoning that you heard, you know, back when they 1032 00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:26,760 Speaker 1: were investigating it, is that they're gonna get punished extra 1033 00:51:27,080 --> 00:51:30,840 Speaker 1: for any infraction because they were a repeat offender essentially 1034 00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,160 Speaker 1: in doing this. So maybe if it was a team 1035 00:51:33,200 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: that had never done it before, it would have been 1036 00:51:36,000 --> 00:51:39,439 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just nothing or this is Yeah. 1037 00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:42,520 Speaker 1: I saw the third round pick and I as a 1038 00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,680 Speaker 1: I'm I was surprised. I'm surprised more isn't being made 1039 00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:49,080 Speaker 1: of it in the cam news. Is certainly reason? Is 1040 00:51:49,080 --> 00:51:52,040 Speaker 1: there certainly a reason why? Because the third round pick 1041 00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:56,560 Speaker 1: is significant. You know, um, this was kind of brushed 1042 00:51:56,600 --> 00:52:00,000 Speaker 1: off pretty quickly, and if you look into what was happening, 1043 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 1: you know, no one has a hard take of like 1044 00:52:02,480 --> 00:52:04,600 Speaker 1: what it really meant. But a third round pick is 1045 00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:07,200 Speaker 1: a big loss. No one's given away third round picks 1046 00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:10,080 Speaker 1: just for fun. I mean, that's that's like, that's those 1047 00:52:10,080 --> 00:52:12,920 Speaker 1: are very valuable picks. And anyone who's followed the NFL 1048 00:52:12,960 --> 00:52:14,919 Speaker 1: that has a pulse knows that part of the reason 1049 00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:17,160 Speaker 1: the Patriots have stayed great all these years is because 1050 00:52:17,200 --> 00:52:20,640 Speaker 1: they make the most of those mid round picks many times. Yeah, 1051 00:52:20,680 --> 00:52:23,240 Speaker 1: the Just for the record, the spy gates scandaled Bellichick 1052 00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,319 Speaker 1: got fan find half a million. The Patriots got found 1053 00:52:26,719 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: tifty thousand dollars, and they lost their first round pick 1054 00:52:30,600 --> 00:52:33,319 Speaker 1: in the two thousand eight draft to flate gate. It 1055 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,200 Speaker 1: was a million dollars for the team, and they gave 1056 00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:40,080 Speaker 1: up their first and fourth round picks in seventeen respectively. 1057 00:52:40,480 --> 00:52:42,880 Speaker 1: And now this year it is I guess the highest 1058 00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,560 Speaker 1: finally faced. And maybe it's just a pattern, maybe it's 1059 00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:48,840 Speaker 1: basic inflation or just a pattern of escalating behavior. But 1060 00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,359 Speaker 1: one point one million and the forfeiture of the third 1061 00:52:51,400 --> 00:52:54,279 Speaker 1: round pick, Ricky, this is the team you root for. 1062 00:52:56,440 --> 00:52:59,919 Speaker 1: Immediately afterwards, they fell apart in their offense? Was there? 1063 00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:02,719 Speaker 1: So maybe it was that was bad juju? How do 1064 00:53:02,760 --> 00:53:06,560 Speaker 1: you sleep? I'm wondering, I've wondered that. No, it's it's upsetting, 1065 00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:10,319 Speaker 1: it's it's not a good look for sure, Ricky, do 1066 00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,560 Speaker 1: you want to I know you had another thought of Kim, 1067 00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,919 Speaker 1: might as well share it. Now that's something that's giving 1068 00:53:14,960 --> 00:53:17,520 Speaker 1: you pause here. I just I just feel like the 1069 00:53:17,560 --> 00:53:22,080 Speaker 1: way that he, you know, reacted to that um female 1070 00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,480 Speaker 1: reporter saying it's funny. How to hear a female talk 1071 00:53:25,560 --> 00:53:31,080 Speaker 1: about routes? To me? Is it's bugged? Me since the 1072 00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:35,920 Speaker 1: day it happened. And to stand behind someone where, especially 1073 00:53:35,920 --> 00:53:37,640 Speaker 1: if you're coming to play for a for a new 1074 00:53:37,640 --> 00:53:40,440 Speaker 1: England team, where that fan base you say all you want, 1075 00:53:40,480 --> 00:53:44,480 Speaker 1: but like we give everything to our team, like it's 1076 00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,120 Speaker 1: such a homer place and like for me, it's like 1077 00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:51,120 Speaker 1: you expect half of just females in general in the 1078 00:53:51,160 --> 00:53:54,400 Speaker 1: Boston area to stand behind you and be like, oh cool, 1079 00:53:54,520 --> 00:53:56,480 Speaker 1: like this is I don't know, it's just it's really 1080 00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,400 Speaker 1: what we want to play for people that might have 1081 00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:00,719 Speaker 1: forgotten what Camp sling a couple years ago. I don't know. 1082 00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,120 Speaker 1: You take a lot of pride in seeing your receivers 1083 00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,400 Speaker 1: playing well. Devin Funches just seemed to really embrace the 1084 00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,719 Speaker 1: physicality of his routes and and making getting those extra 1085 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,960 Speaker 1: yards because that give you a little bit of an 1086 00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:15,000 Speaker 1: enjoyment to see him kind of trust speaking people out. 1087 00:54:15,400 --> 00:54:22,000 Speaker 1: It's funny to hear female talk about routes like it's funny. 1088 00:54:22,640 --> 00:54:26,239 Speaker 1: But yeah, not not Camp's finest moment. But you come 1089 00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:27,680 Speaker 1: on it. Maybe you just had a maybe had a 1090 00:54:27,680 --> 00:54:29,799 Speaker 1: bad day. You're gonna give him a pass on that 1091 00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,960 Speaker 1: or is that it for him? Yeah? I mean I'm 1092 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,360 Speaker 1: not it's not all of a sudden, like, oh, canceled 1093 00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:36,920 Speaker 1: culture is so stupid, blah blah blah. But it's like 1094 00:54:36,920 --> 00:54:39,160 Speaker 1: if you're on a podium where you know, like you're 1095 00:54:39,200 --> 00:54:43,520 Speaker 1: blatantly have that much disrespect to embarrass someone who asked 1096 00:54:43,560 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: a very legitimate, great question. Um, it's not that's not him, 1097 00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:50,799 Speaker 1: you know, locker room talk and he said that like 1098 00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:54,239 Speaker 1: he was on a stage with cameras everywhere, and he 1099 00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,680 Speaker 1: literally decided to do that. So to me, it's it's 1100 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:00,840 Speaker 1: of course, you know, it could have just been a 1101 00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,960 Speaker 1: bad day, but I it's not cool. No, it's it 1102 00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,759 Speaker 1: was if I can I'm trying to think. But like 1103 00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,560 Speaker 1: I've almost never had a problem with stuff Kim's done 1104 00:55:10,600 --> 00:55:13,520 Speaker 1: off the field, and that was a low That was 1105 00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:16,520 Speaker 1: like a low moment for him. That was a very 1106 00:55:16,560 --> 00:55:19,160 Speaker 1: low moment for him. I mean, but the fan base 1107 00:55:19,239 --> 00:55:21,279 Speaker 1: is gonna be into him if he plays well and 1108 00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:23,319 Speaker 1: not if he doesn't. Mean Tom Brady wants you know, 1109 00:55:23,560 --> 00:55:25,279 Speaker 1: I was trying to sell that water could help you 1110 00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,480 Speaker 1: with concussions and stuff. It's like it's like people can 1111 00:55:28,520 --> 00:55:30,560 Speaker 1: say some crazy stuff. I'm more interested. It's like the 1112 00:55:30,600 --> 00:55:33,080 Speaker 1: Patriots having had a black quarterback in my lifetime that 1113 00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,480 Speaker 1: was like a starter, which is interesting, you know, to me, 1114 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:40,920 Speaker 1: it's different and it's it's it's definitely different in that region, 1115 00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:44,000 Speaker 1: and I think it'll be exciting. And and a quarterback 1116 00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:47,279 Speaker 1: who's you know, his personality, He's got a big personality 1117 00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:50,080 Speaker 1: and winning, winning is gonna he's gonna make that all 1118 00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,840 Speaker 1: go fine. And if they're not winning and he's playing, 1119 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:56,640 Speaker 1: then then it'll be you know, fascinating to watch. That's 1120 00:55:56,640 --> 00:55:58,799 Speaker 1: a big part of it is what will his personality 1121 00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:01,040 Speaker 1: be in New England will be tempered at all? Because 1122 00:56:01,400 --> 00:56:05,719 Speaker 1: I don't think the sorry, sorry, right, I don't think that. 1123 00:56:05,760 --> 00:56:08,520 Speaker 1: I don't freewheeling press conferences are probably in the past. 1124 00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:12,520 Speaker 1: Um uh to your pleasure, Erika too. I wonder about that. 1125 00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 1: I had that on my loser's list. Um, Cam's fledgling 1126 00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:20,920 Speaker 1: new hieroglyphics language. Um. I wonder if this is a 1127 00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,120 Speaker 1: one year contract. And Cam is a guy who's whose 1128 00:56:25,160 --> 00:56:27,840 Speaker 1: career and the way he's played, he plays with a 1129 00:56:27,840 --> 00:56:31,120 Speaker 1: lot of passion. He's a very colorful guy. Um. He 1130 00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:35,800 Speaker 1: is almost exactly the the opposite of what the quote 1131 00:56:35,840 --> 00:56:39,440 Speaker 1: unquote Patriots Way players should be like. And I know 1132 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:42,759 Speaker 1: they've brought in big personalities in the past, but also 1133 00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:45,560 Speaker 1: we've we've heard from prominent players before that's that went 1134 00:56:45,600 --> 00:56:47,160 Speaker 1: to New England and said I didn't like it there. 1135 00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,600 Speaker 1: There is also a scenario where Cam plays well and 1136 00:56:52,280 --> 00:56:54,279 Speaker 1: decides maybe at this place isn't for me, and I'm 1137 00:56:54,280 --> 00:56:56,120 Speaker 1: gonna take this leverage of getting my career back on 1138 00:56:56,160 --> 00:56:59,120 Speaker 1: track and I'm gonna go sign elsewhere. So there's there's 1139 00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:02,479 Speaker 1: there is a bit of assumption here that not only 1140 00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,879 Speaker 1: was this a perfect signing for the Pats, but he's 1141 00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:06,640 Speaker 1: gonna be healthy and be a star and he's gonna 1142 00:57:06,640 --> 00:57:10,320 Speaker 1: be their quarterback for another seven years. Like that, I 1143 00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:13,120 Speaker 1: think you wouldn't look past this season, but it is 1144 00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:16,520 Speaker 1: a perfect springboard potentially for Cam Newton. No, I think 1145 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:19,040 Speaker 1: that's a good point that even if he plays well Dan, 1146 00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:22,080 Speaker 1: that he might not be the long term quarterback because 1147 00:57:22,120 --> 00:57:26,160 Speaker 1: he's gonna have options and he's not gonna um necessarily 1148 00:57:26,160 --> 00:57:28,000 Speaker 1: be that cheap. The thing I would say, in terms 1149 00:57:28,000 --> 00:57:29,480 Speaker 1: of the Patriot Way that was like they've had a 1150 00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,760 Speaker 1: million colorful characters and Mike talked about him talking to 1151 00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: North Turner and stuff. It's like, if they want guys 1152 00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,280 Speaker 1: that are ultra competitive and like love football to their core. 1153 00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:43,200 Speaker 1: And I don't think anyone's ever questioned that with Cam Newton. 1154 00:57:43,400 --> 00:57:45,920 Speaker 1: And it's different. It's different when your quarterback is is 1155 00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:47,560 Speaker 1: out there and is a little different. But it's like, 1156 00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:49,680 Speaker 1: I don't think anyone's you know, they shouldn't have questioned 1157 00:57:49,720 --> 00:57:51,680 Speaker 1: that with Cam Newton, and I think that's why they 1158 00:57:51,720 --> 00:57:54,240 Speaker 1: feel like it's a good fit. While we're talking quarterbacks, 1159 00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:56,880 Speaker 1: should should have fallen on that ball in Super Bowl fifty. 1160 00:57:56,920 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, otherwise I do you're saying I lose her here, um, 1161 00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,479 Speaker 1: you know those of us on Stidham Corner here back. 1162 00:58:07,040 --> 00:58:10,280 Speaker 1: But for me, I love Cam Newton far more than 1163 00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,640 Speaker 1: I've ever loved being on Stidham corner. And I do 1164 00:58:12,760 --> 00:58:17,040 Speaker 1: think to your point about Cam Newton that it might be, um, 1165 00:58:17,080 --> 00:58:21,000 Speaker 1: you know, one year thing. It's like a there's a 1166 00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:24,320 Speaker 1: there's a decent chance you'll see Stidham this year anyways, 1167 00:58:24,680 --> 00:58:26,280 Speaker 1: possibly for a lot of the year. I mean, we 1168 00:58:26,360 --> 00:58:30,120 Speaker 1: just don't know. Um, with Cam Newton's health and then 1169 00:58:30,320 --> 00:58:32,840 Speaker 1: and then being like he's a second year, fourth round pick, 1170 00:58:32,920 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 1: it's very possible that he's in the mix like at 1171 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:40,160 Speaker 1: a later date. There's just not much reason to believe, 1172 00:58:40,240 --> 00:58:43,040 Speaker 1: as Mike said, as anything logical. It said that when 1173 00:58:43,080 --> 00:58:45,520 Speaker 1: we're reading these quarterback battles in August, and we will, 1174 00:58:45,560 --> 00:58:47,800 Speaker 1: it's like, there will be no reason to think that 1175 00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,320 Speaker 1: a healthy Kim Newton is not their starter. It's like, 1176 00:58:50,320 --> 00:58:53,040 Speaker 1: how is Jared Stidham gonna be a better player than 1177 00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:55,200 Speaker 1: Kim Newton right now? Come on? But all the reporting 1178 00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:57,640 Speaker 1: also talks about how they to your point, they've not 1179 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,400 Speaker 1: given up on Jared Stidham, and I think it's actually 1180 00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:03,400 Speaker 1: just a better situation to find out who Jaron Stidham 1181 00:59:03,480 --> 00:59:05,560 Speaker 1: is um in another year to develop. He's not a 1182 00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,120 Speaker 1: first round guy. I don't think he didn't draft him 1183 00:59:08,160 --> 00:59:11,280 Speaker 1: to think he's the heir apparent to Tom Brady. I 1184 00:59:11,320 --> 00:59:14,040 Speaker 1: have one more loser, And Greg, you alluded to it 1185 00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:17,600 Speaker 1: that the Bills a f C East favorite status. Actually 1186 00:59:17,600 --> 00:59:20,200 Speaker 1: saw tweet right before the show started. I don't know 1187 00:59:20,240 --> 00:59:23,080 Speaker 1: if it's a Vegas wide, Desert wide thing, but the 1188 00:59:23,120 --> 00:59:26,080 Speaker 1: Patriots are now slight favorites in the ANFC East after 1189 00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:28,640 Speaker 1: the Cam Newton signing, which maybe is the best thing 1190 00:59:28,720 --> 00:59:31,360 Speaker 1: could happen to the Bills, who now probably don't have 1191 00:59:31,360 --> 00:59:34,320 Speaker 1: to worry about falling into that trap of expectations being 1192 00:59:34,360 --> 00:59:36,560 Speaker 1: so high. It's not easy to be the favorite, especially 1193 00:59:36,600 --> 00:59:39,000 Speaker 1: if you don't have any experience with it. Um and 1194 00:59:39,040 --> 00:59:40,560 Speaker 1: now the Patriots, I think there will be a lot 1195 00:59:40,600 --> 00:59:43,440 Speaker 1: of people, especially if Cam looks good. Uh if and 1196 00:59:43,480 --> 00:59:46,160 Speaker 1: when there's a training camp, the Bills get to kind 1197 00:59:46,160 --> 00:59:48,520 Speaker 1: of go back to that. You know, we're hunting for 1198 00:59:48,560 --> 00:59:51,000 Speaker 1: the division child rather than people, and it was wrong 1199 00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:52,520 Speaker 1: to do it in the first place, but you kind 1200 00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:54,440 Speaker 1: of were getting the feeling of people are handing in 1201 00:59:54,520 --> 00:59:57,920 Speaker 1: that title. So um, yes, the favorite status is over, 1202 00:59:57,960 --> 00:59:59,680 Speaker 1: but that might actually be a good thing for the Bills. 1203 01:00:00,000 --> 01:00:01,320 Speaker 1: I think it is a good thing. Also, there is 1204 01:00:01,400 --> 01:00:06,000 Speaker 1: definitely a like a hipster movement um afoot also where 1205 01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,200 Speaker 1: it's like, I don't really care what New England did, 1206 01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:11,280 Speaker 1: Buffalo is still running away with this division head entails 1207 01:00:11,920 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 1: nothing like Colleen likes the Bills. It is. It's at 1208 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 1: least it makes it makes ANFCS more you know interesting, 1209 01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:24,600 Speaker 1: just at quarterback. It's so much more, um interesting than 1210 01:00:24,640 --> 01:00:26,760 Speaker 1: it was a few years ago. I'm not down on 1211 01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,200 Speaker 1: Donald because he throws. He's the guy the type of 1212 01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 1: guy usually fall for that he makes three throws every 1213 01:00:32,120 --> 01:00:35,040 Speaker 1: play every game that like almost no one could make. 1214 01:00:35,200 --> 01:00:38,520 Speaker 1: To me, he's just a total wild card where the 1215 01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,280 Speaker 1: ceiling is so high and the floor, you know, might 1216 01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,320 Speaker 1: be fairly low still, and then you have to and 1217 01:00:44,360 --> 01:00:48,200 Speaker 1: then you have Josh Allen who makes people crazy. But 1218 01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:50,400 Speaker 1: to me, in the best case scenario, he's a poor 1219 01:00:50,440 --> 01:00:53,760 Speaker 1: man's Cam Newton. And then you actually have Cam Newton. Right, 1220 01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:57,760 Speaker 1: that's nice, Fitzpatrick. Don't forget about our favorite We got 1221 01:00:57,760 --> 01:01:00,400 Speaker 1: fits magic in the mix. Yeah, the Patriots. Don't need 1222 01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,439 Speaker 1: to see the Patriots win another division for the rest 1223 01:01:02,480 --> 01:01:04,440 Speaker 1: of my life, but I do as a football fan, 1224 01:01:04,480 --> 01:01:06,600 Speaker 1: I kind of I'm into the Cam Newton in the 1225 01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 1: division thing. It's kind of it's a fun storyline. The 1226 01:01:08,640 --> 01:01:12,520 Speaker 1: Patriots were, they were shaping up as a brutally boring team, 1227 01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:14,480 Speaker 1: and now there's some juice in the building. All right, 1228 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,040 Speaker 1: all right, anybody got another one or you want to 1229 01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:20,640 Speaker 1: you want to move on here, Let's move on all right? 1230 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:23,600 Speaker 1: Before we say goodbye, because again we are going away 1231 01:01:23,600 --> 01:01:26,200 Speaker 1: for a week. Uh so, why don't we do a 1232 01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:30,400 Speaker 1: little eight o'clock lightning, Ricky just to eight o'clock to 1233 01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:33,040 Speaker 1: light excuse me, just to hit any other news and 1234 01:01:33,040 --> 01:01:42,080 Speaker 1: then we'll say goodbye. Mark Davis is unhappy with the 1235 01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:44,920 Speaker 1: decision to sell ads, not seats the fans in his 1236 01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:50,000 Speaker 1: fancy new stadium. I mean, this is just the beginning. 1237 01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,160 Speaker 1: If Mark Davis is coming after the league because he 1238 01:01:52,200 --> 01:01:54,600 Speaker 1: thinks like society should be more open, you might see 1239 01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:58,520 Speaker 1: some political back and forth among the owners. You like 1240 01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:03,000 Speaker 1: that A little raiders all there, Matt Rule says to everybody, 1241 01:02:03,000 --> 01:02:08,560 Speaker 1: and maybe me, Teddy will go deep more six point two? 1242 01:02:13,120 --> 01:02:17,240 Speaker 1: Why not? You've got Robbie Anderson. Matt Rule knows Robby Anderson. Well, 1243 01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:20,440 Speaker 1: I think that I think this is a a little 1244 01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:22,040 Speaker 1: bit has to do with Rule when he came on 1245 01:02:22,040 --> 01:02:25,320 Speaker 1: our show too and had to answer Teddy questions. Everywhere 1246 01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:28,800 Speaker 1: he goes, it's Teddy questions and typically questions doubting Teddy. 1247 01:02:28,880 --> 01:02:31,240 Speaker 1: So he's telling you stick it. We're gonna throw the 1248 01:02:31,240 --> 01:02:36,080 Speaker 1: ball where Teddy Bridge orders averaged six point two intended 1249 01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,640 Speaker 1: air yards for attempt last season. In other news, Zekiel 1250 01:02:39,720 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: Elliott still hasn't worked out two weeks after getting the 1251 01:02:43,120 --> 01:02:47,840 Speaker 1: COVID nineteen virus. Greg this is the whole thing with 1252 01:02:48,120 --> 01:02:50,560 Speaker 1: Corona that I think people are under selling. What are 1253 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:52,840 Speaker 1: the long term impacts gonna be for these players for 1254 01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:56,600 Speaker 1: the thirty seven Clemson guys. Also, the Hall of Fame 1255 01:02:56,640 --> 01:03:00,600 Speaker 1: game and ceremony were canceled. July still the date for 1256 01:03:00,760 --> 01:03:04,640 Speaker 1: training camp. We'll see, Mark, We'll see, we'll see. All right, 1257 01:03:06,240 --> 01:03:08,240 Speaker 1: what are you guys gonna do this week? Anything? I'm 1258 01:03:08,280 --> 01:03:10,600 Speaker 1: still in Texas of course. Um, I'm gonna enjoy it 1259 01:03:10,640 --> 01:03:13,040 Speaker 1: here at the lake Kevin Danger hands Us. My brother 1260 01:03:13,160 --> 01:03:15,960 Speaker 1: is coming into town actually, and he's gonna stay with 1261 01:03:16,040 --> 01:03:19,320 Speaker 1: us in seclusion here at the Lake House. Uh. And 1262 01:03:19,360 --> 01:03:21,600 Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. That should have a similar 1263 01:03:21,680 --> 01:03:24,640 Speaker 1: Cam Newton in New England effect. He tends to spice 1264 01:03:24,680 --> 01:03:28,400 Speaker 1: things up when he arrives. I could see some controversial 1265 01:03:28,440 --> 01:03:32,480 Speaker 1: press conferences, Hairstyles. It all is on the table for Danger. 1266 01:03:32,680 --> 01:03:35,280 Speaker 1: Kevin Danger hands Is and my brother in law, Tanner 1267 01:03:36,440 --> 01:03:40,200 Speaker 1: Um are still the only people in the history of 1268 01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:42,440 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl and the Super Bowls we've covered at 1269 01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:45,480 Speaker 1: the Around the NFL podcast where we we go into 1270 01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:50,240 Speaker 1: the stadiums Ricky as well, and we on game day 1271 01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:52,720 Speaker 1: for the Super Bowl, we get there about three hours 1272 01:03:52,720 --> 01:03:55,680 Speaker 1: four hours before kickoff and we're in that building, what 1273 01:03:55,880 --> 01:03:59,560 Speaker 1: three or four hours after the Lombardi trophy is handed 1274 01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:03,680 Speaker 1: over too. When we when we leave, we're sometimes um 1275 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:06,320 Speaker 1: close to the last people out of the Super Bowl stadium. 1276 01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,840 Speaker 1: And to this to this day, only Kevin and Tanner 1277 01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,640 Speaker 1: were the only Super Bowl Family guests that were still 1278 01:04:12,680 --> 01:04:15,320 Speaker 1: awake when we got back to the hotel at three 1279 01:04:15,360 --> 01:04:19,120 Speaker 1: odd am in the morning at TJ. Friday's, hammering down drinks, 1280 01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:22,440 Speaker 1: talking to girls getting in trouble. I think they actually 1281 01:04:22,520 --> 01:04:25,840 Speaker 1: convinced um T G. I. Friday's to stay open later 1282 01:04:25,960 --> 01:04:28,360 Speaker 1: because they're like, there is people, there are people coming back. 1283 01:04:28,400 --> 01:04:30,800 Speaker 1: This place is going to be rocking, and uh, you 1284 01:04:30,840 --> 01:04:34,080 Speaker 1: know we closed the place very early in the morning. Anyway, 1285 01:04:34,120 --> 01:04:38,360 Speaker 1: your plans guys for this week and lady my plan. 1286 01:04:38,520 --> 01:04:41,320 Speaker 1: I really have no plans. It's like other weeks. But 1287 01:04:41,640 --> 01:04:43,600 Speaker 1: but last podcasts they do have an update though I 1288 01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:45,439 Speaker 1: don't know Eric if you wanted to share the poll 1289 01:04:45,520 --> 01:04:48,560 Speaker 1: that you put up on your site. She wants, you know, 1290 01:04:48,960 --> 01:04:51,400 Speaker 1: on her Twitter page, she said who's better looking? Settle 1291 01:04:51,440 --> 01:04:54,680 Speaker 1: In argument, Greg says Cam right now over fifty votes, 1292 01:04:55,280 --> 01:04:59,400 Speaker 1: Cam dominating of the vote. Yeah, it's big, it's a 1293 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:01,920 Speaker 1: big Uh, it's a big loss for me. I really, 1294 01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,560 Speaker 1: you know, hit the table that it was Tom Brady earlier, 1295 01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,680 Speaker 1: and you know, maybe like Cam Newton, I can I 1296 01:05:07,720 --> 01:05:11,320 Speaker 1: can change, well I will. Let's just give Brady this. Uh, 1297 01:05:12,200 --> 01:05:14,160 Speaker 1: A lot of people are better looking at thirty one 1298 01:05:14,200 --> 01:05:17,480 Speaker 1: than they are at fort well, plus trusting the American 1299 01:05:17,520 --> 01:05:20,480 Speaker 1: public and an open vote isn't always proven to me 1300 01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:23,240 Speaker 1: like you're choosing the right guy. So well, there's a 1301 01:05:23,320 --> 01:05:25,919 Speaker 1: lot of we're going to just vote against Brady because 1302 01:05:25,960 --> 01:05:27,760 Speaker 1: they can't stand Brady. But I think the Cam is 1303 01:05:27,760 --> 01:05:31,160 Speaker 1: a fair challenger there. Sorry, I didn't have an answer 1304 01:05:31,200 --> 01:05:33,520 Speaker 1: for what's happening this week. I don't know if marks 1305 01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,320 Speaker 1: we're going. We're going to um To Lake Arrowhead is 1306 01:05:36,360 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 1: a family for to you go, you gotta be carefully 1307 01:05:43,160 --> 01:05:45,120 Speaker 1: here by there by the way. You're a young lady. 1308 01:05:45,520 --> 01:05:47,240 Speaker 1: And I know what's been happening in l A since 1309 01:05:47,240 --> 01:05:49,840 Speaker 1: I've been gone. You guys can't stop partying, your millennials, 1310 01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:52,840 Speaker 1: and it's caused a spike in the Los Angeles County region. 1311 01:05:52,960 --> 01:05:56,960 Speaker 1: What are you doing here, Texas fingers? Yeah, I know right, Seriously, 1312 01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:01,160 Speaker 1: I rented a house up in Joshua Tree National Park, 1313 01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:03,360 Speaker 1: so I'm gonna go up there for a little bit 1314 01:06:03,600 --> 01:06:06,680 Speaker 1: and get out of the city and see some stars. 1315 01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,439 Speaker 1: Very good. I I call no land home anymore. Mark. 1316 01:06:10,080 --> 01:06:12,840 Speaker 1: I don't not Texas, not California, not New York. I 1317 01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:14,640 Speaker 1: just I'm a wander at this stage of my life, 1318 01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:16,360 Speaker 1: and I think that's the best way to do it 1319 01:06:16,360 --> 01:06:18,560 Speaker 1: at this point. I hope that got into the newspaper 1320 01:06:18,600 --> 01:06:21,560 Speaker 1: article that we've not heard anything else about. I'm waiting. 1321 01:06:22,160 --> 01:06:27,280 Speaker 1: We're waiting to find out. Let us know. Tease. That's 1322 01:06:27,280 --> 01:06:31,720 Speaker 1: a nice tease for for next week. Come back, come 1323 01:06:31,720 --> 01:06:35,400 Speaker 1: back to find out the starting conclusion to the Gatesville Messenger. 1324 01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,120 Speaker 1: All right, good stuff. Dan has a signing off for 1325 01:06:43,000 --> 01:06:51,440 Speaker 1: Quiet Storm the old Boss Ricky Hollywood. Enjoy the fourth Everybody, 1326 01:06:51,960 --> 01:07:32,440 Speaker 1: do your next week.