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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast. Welcome in hour number three. It is

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Speaker 1: Debate Day. We are live in Milwaukee, Wisconsin. If you

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Speaker 1: are just now sitting down and catching up with the program,

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Speaker 1: Senator Ron Johnson was in studio with us at the

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Speaker 1: top of the second hour. That was a fantastic discussion.

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Speaker 1: Also we talked with Dan O'Donnell. We had an amazing

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Speaker 1: night last night at the Paps Theater. A lot of

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Speaker 1: you WISN eleven thirty am Milwaukee listeners there. It was

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Speaker 1: absolutely spectacular amounts of fun and I appreciate all of

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Speaker 1: you that I got to meet and all of you

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Speaker 1: that came out. We'll have open phone lines here for

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Speaker 1: the final hour of the program today. Eight hundred two

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Speaker 1: eight two two eight eight two. Now big news that

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Speaker 1: has nothing to do with the Republican debate tonight, which

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Speaker 1: we are going to discuss much of this hour, but

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Speaker 1: if you are just now getting in your car, just

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Speaker 1: now sitting down, interesting scary, chaotic news from Russia where

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Speaker 1: a plane that was reportedly carrying a Pregozen the head

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Speaker 1: of Wagner, who had led a aborted coup against Vladimir Putin.

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Speaker 1: The plane has been shot down, and reports are that

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Speaker 1: Progosen was among the ten people who died in that incident.

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Speaker 1: Now there is video up and you can go see

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Speaker 1: it now. I bet it's up at clayanbuck dot com.

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Speaker 1: Now certainly is being shared on all of the major

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Speaker 1: news networks that shows what appears to be a missile

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Speaker 1: striking this plane, one of the wings of this plane

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Speaker 1: and causing it to immediately plummet to the earth, killing

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Speaker 1: everyone on board. As we have been discussing this breaking

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Speaker 1: news during the course of the program, the question has

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Speaker 1: been how would Vladimir Putin respond to what appeared to

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Speaker 1: be a direct attack upon his authority, his ruling of Russia.

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Speaker 1: A lot of times it's with secret poisonings from the KGB.

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Speaker 1: As I said, the amount of people who don't get

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Speaker 1: along with Vladimir Putin that somehow managed to fall out

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Speaker 1: of windows is rather extraordinary. But the point on many

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Speaker 1: of these incidents is it gives Russian authorities the ability

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Speaker 1: to claim that they were not involved in the death

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Speaker 1: of Vladimir Putin political opponents here there is no disputing

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Speaker 1: based on the clear video that all of you can

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Speaker 1: go watch that a missile struck this jet. The reports

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Speaker 1: are that progoes and is on this jet, and that

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Speaker 1: he is among the ten people who have died. What

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Speaker 1: does this say about Dadimir Putin's power in Russia that

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Speaker 1: he would theoretically need to engage in this public of

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Speaker 1: an act of behavior, when again, most of the time

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Speaker 1: Russia tries to hide any assassination that they may do

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Speaker 1: and argue that it's a natural occurrence. We're thinking about

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Speaker 1: what does this mean about the war in Ukraine and

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Speaker 1: what does this mean about everything associated with where Russia

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Speaker 1: goes from here. It's going to be a major topic

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Speaker 1: of debate and discussion tonight in the Republican primary. I

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Speaker 1: also primary debate. I would also suggest that Trump, who

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Speaker 1: has announced that he and Tucker Carlson will be talking

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Speaker 1: at nine pm Eastern. This is the disadvantage of taping

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Speaker 1: an interview. This is the disadvantage for some of you

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Speaker 1: out there who listen to taped podcasts and set a

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Speaker 1: live radio You don't have the opportunity need to react

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Speaker 1: to what might be the biggest story out there. I

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Speaker 1: remember the first time I ever had Trump on my

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Speaker 1: radio show, when I was doing Still Sports talker radio,

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Speaker 1: and let me mention this, by the way, my good buddy,

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Speaker 1: my co host, Buck Sexton, for those of you listening

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Speaker 1: right now, is in Scotland this week with his lovely

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Speaker 1: wife Carrie. He will be back on Monday. I am

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Speaker 1: in Milwaukee solo for the rest of this week, headed

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Speaker 1: to New York City where we'll be doing a lot

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Speaker 1: of analysis of this upcoming debate. But I almost feel

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Speaker 1: like Trump needs to be asked by Tucker Carlson about

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Speaker 1: this breaking news story, which would probably lead any interview

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Speaker 1: twenty minutes at least of the overall discussion in the

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Speaker 1: debate tonight in Milwaukee, we'll focus now on Russia Ukraine

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Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin and Russian military authorities means going forward. So

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Speaker 1: that is new story I want to play for you.

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Speaker 1: Also a reminder while everybody is focused, and I understand

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Speaker 1: every time I hop in the mentions. By the way,

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Speaker 1: on Twitter right now, we're about to be joined by

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Speaker 1: Alexi Lallas, my buddy Fox Soccer analyst also American patriot.

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Speaker 1: We will talk with him here momentarily. But every time

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Speaker 1: I get on social media right now, and I bet

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Speaker 1: all of you who are active on social media are

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Speaker 1: seeing it occur as well. There is an absolute just

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Speaker 1: war going on on social media right now between the

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Speaker 1: DeSantis and the Trump people. The gloves are off. There's

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Speaker 1: just haymakers being thrown in every direction, and then every

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Speaker 1: It's like the Royal Rumble right now for those of

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Speaker 1: you who are old school WWE fans, and that's really

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Speaker 1: what the debate's going to be like, because you don't

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Speaker 1: Royal Rumble back in the day, you had unexpected alliances

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Speaker 1: where like two or three people were like, let's throw

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Speaker 1: this guy over the top of the rope and he's out.

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Speaker 1: So in the middle of the debate you may never

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Speaker 1: know who's coming for you and what the alliances are

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Speaker 1: going to end up being. Like I think Desants is

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Speaker 1: going to get tacked on all fronts, but you never

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Speaker 1: know what strange bedfallows are going to exist in a

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Speaker 1: WWE Royal rumblet context. I just want to remind everybody.

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Speaker 1: I just want all of you to understand that we

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Speaker 1: got to beat Joe Biden in the event that he

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Speaker 1: is the nominee, and we certainly have to beat all

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Speaker 1: of the dishonest media. You guys heard me play yesterday

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Speaker 1: the audio of Joe Biden comparing the kitchen fire that

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Speaker 1: happened in his house nineteen years ago that threatened his

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty seven corvette, his cat, and he did mention finally,

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden twenty minute kitchen fire. He said that was

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Speaker 1: somewhat similar. He had empathy because that reminded him of

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Speaker 1: what a wildfire could be like that twenty minute kitchen

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Speaker 1: fire that he had, and that's ridiculous. He also may

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Speaker 1: well have fallen asleep. There's a dispute about whether he

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Speaker 1: fell asleep or not. What we also know is that

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Speaker 1: he decided to talk about the death that occurred in

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Speaker 1: Hawaii just now and compare it to the death of

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Speaker 1: his wife and daughter in nineteen seventy one, over fifty

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Speaker 1: years ago. He did not do well for himself in

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Speaker 1: the limited amount of time he was on the ground

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Speaker 1: in Hawaii. So what did CNN say, Oh, this was

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Speaker 1: an incredible visit to Hawaii. They called Joe Biden, this

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Speaker 1: is real, the empathizer in chief. Listen to this.

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Speaker 2: He did serve as empathizer in chief after five days

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Speaker 2: of being mostly silent on the issue publicly, but the

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Speaker 2: governor said he was working behind the scenes to assure

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Speaker 2: first responders that Fed's had their back on this. He

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Speaker 2: shared the stories we're familiar with with losing his daughter

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Speaker 2: and wife and wondering if his sons had survived a

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Speaker 2: car accident early in his political career, and that's what

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Speaker 2: so many people here are going through now.

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Speaker 1: So that is what CNN is saying, and they are

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Speaker 1: saying right now that he is the empathizer in chief.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to bring in Alexi Wallace here momentarily because

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Speaker 1: he is the empathizer in chief of America right now,

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Speaker 1: I think. But Joe Scarborough, he's upset. Joe Scarborough, MSNBC's

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Speaker 1: chief propagandist. He's upset because there's way too many Biden

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Speaker 1: critics out there. Listen, this is crazy, you know, Willie.

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Speaker 3: We're looking at the headlines from the local papers now.

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Speaker 3: If you were following right wing media yesterday, and even

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Speaker 3: if you weren't. If you just a lot of it

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Speaker 3: was reaching out and pulling you into your smartphones, you

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Speaker 3: would think that everybody in Maui was angry with Joe Biden,

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Speaker 3: that Joe Biden was having a CS during I.

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Speaker 1: Know this is going to shock you. It was all garbage.

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Speaker 3: You look at the local newspapers, you look at the

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Speaker 3: local reports, you listen to the local people. These weren't

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Speaker 1: It was the Maui newspaper. Everybody in these newspapers glowing

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Speaker 3: Thanking the president for being there.

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Speaker 1: Everybody loves Joe Biden. If you think that people disliked

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden, according to Joe Scarborough, you are just totally mistaken. Yes,

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Speaker 1: he has a thirty five percent approval rating. Yes, Democrats

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Speaker 1: even think he's not mentally and physically competent to be president.

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Speaker 1: But the Maui newspaper they loved Joe Biden. All right,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna get reaction to this. Also. Let me go

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Speaker 1: ahead and take a break here coming up in a second,

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Speaker 1: let me give you this info. This is pretty crazy.

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Speaker 1: As the Russians shot down Progozen's jet, they are playing

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Speaker 1: video Vladimir Putin was awarding medals to military UH members

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Speaker 1: live with a ceremony. But remember back in The Godfather

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Speaker 1: when they used to do the montages of somebody getting murdered,

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Speaker 1: Corleone family would be UH. They would be doing the

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Speaker 1: In real time in Russia, you can see Putin giving

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Speaker 1: out medals for military valor while he may well have

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Speaker 1: Travis and Buck Sexton Show Welcome Back in Clay Travis,

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Speaker 1: in Studio with us now breaking news that is out

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Speaker 1: there again forges and shot down the Wagner Chief in

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Speaker 1: a plane Dead along with nine other people. Alexi Man,

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Speaker 1: that's a tough We didn't feel good about his odds

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Speaker 1: of lasting very long. When you try to lead a

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Speaker 1: coup against Putin and it doesn't work, it seemed unlikely

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Speaker 1: that they were just gonna be like fist pound and

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Speaker 1: go on their own respective ways. But this is such

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Speaker 1: a public it's basically like a public beheading almost.

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Speaker 4: It's it's brazen, and that's what's interesting. Look, I think

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Speaker 4: if anybody needed reminding, if you come for the king,

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Speaker 4: in this case, the president of Russia, you best know

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Speaker 4: miss no doubt. And that's exactly what we are seeing

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Speaker 4: playing out here. But I think to your point, I

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Speaker 4: was listening to in the olden and how you know

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Speaker 4: this administration reacts, how you know the candidates react, because

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Speaker 4: this is going to be a talking point going forward,

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Speaker 4: as Russia always is no doubt.

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Speaker 2: So it is.

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Speaker 1: It is contact. Politics is full contact. We're talking to

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Speaker 1: it's fair to call a big game, the Republican Debate

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Speaker 4: It was great, Thank you for having me. It was

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Speaker 1: an arena and your team, or even in a sports

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Speaker 1: bar wherever you may be watching a game and a

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Speaker 1: team wins, you turn around and the identity of your

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Speaker 1: fellow tribe of fans doesn't matter whether you are gay

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Speaker 1: or straight, white, Black, Asian, Hispanic, whether you're a Democrat Republican,

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Speaker 1: you don't think about any of that when you high

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Speaker 1: five people around you and you are joyfully brought together.

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Speaker 1: That to the US women's soccer team was no longer

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Speaker 1: the case, I think for sure in twenty three, do

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Speaker 1: you think America will get back to being able to

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Speaker 1: come together again and unite in a common joy at

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Speaker 1: American exceptionalism? Or do you think we're so hopelessly disconnected

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Speaker 1: and at each other's throats that this common humanity of

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Speaker 1: being able to root for a.

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Speaker 4: Team together is lost. I do think I have teenagers.

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Speaker 4: I know you have kids. I do think that that

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Speaker 4: generation is going to be just so bombarded by this

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Speaker 4: that they might go the opposite way. And again, Claig,

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Speaker 4: just because you want that at this point now it

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Speaker 4: looks utopian to have that type of idealistic type of

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Speaker 4: sports thing.

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Speaker 1: You would agree with this For people who grew up

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Speaker 1: in the seventies, eighties, nineties, and even the early two thousands,

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Speaker 1: we were pretty united in terms of our ability to

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Speaker 1: root together. Yeah, we we were, and it felt awesome.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: We were down in Australia the Australian national team had

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Speaker 4: this moment.

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Speaker 1: The women's team got hot. I was jealous.

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Speaker 4: I was sitting there saying, this is what sports are about,

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Speaker 4: this is what a national team can do, and it

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Speaker 4: just happens to be soccer, but it can be. I mean,

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Speaker 4: you know, the baseball. So I do think there's moments

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Speaker 4: earlier this year was last year when the baseball was happening,

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Speaker 4: the national teams were playing, and people baseball. There was

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Speaker 4: a feeling that everybody was kind of coming together in

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Speaker 4: that moment. So I do think certainly came together, but

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Speaker 4: I do think that that can happen. And one more thing,

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Speaker 4: that does not mean, okay, that you can't express your views.

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Speaker 4: I Megan Rapino is an incredible soccer player. I will

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Speaker 4: defend her to my dying breath for her to have

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Speaker 4: the ability and the freedom to be able to express things.

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean that it doesn't come with consequences.

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Speaker 4: And so when I talk about that, this is the

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Speaker 4: team and this is what has happened because of the

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Speaker 4: things that you've done, because of the things that you

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Speaker 4: have said, because of your actions, and I vehemently disagree

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Speaker 4: with Megan Rapino and others on certain things, some in

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Speaker 4: their literal stance on the field, but ultimately, like I said, I.

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Speaker 1: Believe in their freedom to do so.

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Speaker 4: But in doing so, you have created this divide in

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Speaker 4: the way that people look, and it's relative to what's

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Speaker 4: happening in politics and what's happening in our nation. I

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Speaker 4: get that, but I do think that it might come

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Speaker 4: around where people just say, I don't want to deal

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Speaker 4: with that anymore. It's so bombarded. And I hope for

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Speaker 4: this next generation that they have that ability because we

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Speaker 4: were blessed to be able to be in those moments.

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Speaker 4: Because nothing feels like when you are united as a

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Speaker 4: country and behind a country and you can, at least

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Speaker 4: for that moment, forget about everything and all that other crap.

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Speaker 4: It's an incredible feeling. And we've lost that feeling, and

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Speaker 4: I do worry that this generation will not have the

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Speaker 4: opportunity to have that feeling.

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Speaker 1: What's it feel like to look up at CNN and

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Speaker 1: they have a graphic with you and your World Cup

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Speaker 1: performance and then Megan Rappino's World Cup performance, as if

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Speaker 1: you guys had played against each other in some way,

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Speaker 1: and you know what was happening. They were attacking the

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Speaker 1: validity of your opinion by trying to attack your playing career.

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Speaker 1: But when CNN it gets involved, I mean it is

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Speaker 1: a reflection of the fact that this soccer team has

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Speaker 1: become so political that that's a lead story.

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Speaker 4: Yeah. So, first off, I was never allowed when I

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Speaker 4: was growing up to compete for a women's World Cup. Okay, Secondly,

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Speaker 4: there's not You would have been a hell of a

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Speaker 4: women's soccer player. I could have picked some mass all right.

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Speaker 4: That that graphic might look very different right now. The

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Speaker 4: other thing is when it comes to comparing contrast, I

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Speaker 4: was a defender. She's an attacking, attacking player, and you

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Speaker 4: cannot find an American soccer player who even comes close

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Speaker 4: to winning a World Cup at this point because the

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Speaker 4: men's team has not actually won a World Cup. But

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Speaker 4: it comes with the territories finely spelled my name, right,

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Speaker 4: and it DNN ultimately, So so I don't you know,

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Speaker 4: that's that's part of you know, this back and forth

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Speaker 4: and everybody kind of has taken sides, and I get

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Speaker 4: where CNN is coming where they're coming from.

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Speaker 1: But like I said, it also was a kick ass picture.

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Speaker 1: I looked awesome in that picture, all right. When you

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Speaker 1: hear the national anthem play, you play again, as we

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Speaker 1: said on the nineteen ninety fourteen but you I have

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Speaker 1: watched you when the US plays Mexico, for instance. You

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Speaker 1: have such a tremendous amount of pride in the United States,

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Speaker 1: and it seems the case even when you're not playing

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Speaker 1: that that emotion still overcomes you as you watch the

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Speaker 1: national anthem play. Do you think that that is the

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Speaker 1: way that the majority of American athletes feel. Is the

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Speaker 1: Megan Rapinos of the world in the minority in terms

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Speaker 1: of the way that they feel in your experience, I

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Speaker 1: have to believe that, you know, the power of Megan

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Speaker 1: Rappino and others that kind.

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Speaker 4: Of forced people to do it does not necessarily represent

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Speaker 4: the majority. Look, you know the National Anthem. I know

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Speaker 4: it's easy to just kind of throw it away and

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Speaker 4: throw aside and whatever. It's just you know, it's hackneyed,

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Speaker 4: and it's played too much and all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 4: For me, I always looked at it, this is ninety seconds,

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Speaker 4: ninety seconds when we can come together as a country

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Speaker 4: and celebrate what I feel is the greatest country in

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Speaker 4: the world, and all of that kind of other stuff

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Speaker 4: can can go away, and it's an agreed upon ninety seconds,

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Speaker 4: and so to have that ninety second co opt or hijacked,

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Speaker 4: I thought that's where ultimately the disrespect it came from.

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Speaker 4: It is a ritual, it is a routine. It is

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Speaker 4: a tradition, and traditions can change and we can move on.

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Speaker 4: But the majority of people have agreed and come together

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Speaker 4: as a society and said this is something that we

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Speaker 4: are going to And by the way, when you do

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Speaker 4: agree to that, it's a wonderful, wonderful feeling. And by

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Speaker 4: no means does it Does it mean that you don't

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Speaker 4: can't have different feelings and different opinions, or that you

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Speaker 4: can't see things that are that are bad. But in

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Speaker 4: this one moment to come together, I mean I get

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Speaker 4: emotional when I was when I was doing it was

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Speaker 4: on the field. I get emotional when I when I

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Speaker 4: see it. And you know, you can call me corny,

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Speaker 4: I really really doesn't matter, because I I this is

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Speaker 4: this is a this is a moment for my country

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Speaker 4: that I feel that I have represented. And when that

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Speaker 4: is taken away, that's fine. If that's what you want

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Speaker 4: to do, if that's the new tradition, if that's the

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Speaker 4: new ritual find but that has to be a majority.

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Speaker 4: And I worry that people are being bullied into doing that,

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Speaker 4: and it, you know, comes because people are scared. I mean,

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Speaker 4: there was a time where we were all so bold

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Speaker 4: as a country and as a people, and now we're

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Speaker 4: all so scared to do anything less, you know, and

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Speaker 4: if it's one thing, if you do it, okay, it's

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Speaker 4: one thing. If you have power, if you have money,

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Speaker 4: if you have the ability to withstand the inevitable, you know,

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Speaker 4: arrows and they're gonna come. But if if, if you

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Speaker 4: have to have that to actually be honest or to

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Speaker 4: stand up for what you feel is right. What kind

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Speaker 4: of a country is that everybody should feel free and

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Speaker 4: not be in fear of saying what they believe and

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Speaker 4: doing what they believe, you know, lest someone come for them.

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Speaker 1: He's Alexi Lawless. He's fantastic. Even if you don't like soccer,

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Speaker 1: I know Bucky is a major SoC guy. He used

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Speaker 1: to coach. You met my wife last night who was

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Speaker 1: to coach now.

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Speaker 4: She's wonderful. My god, talk about out kicking your coverage

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Speaker 4: or whatever. Good God, she is smart.

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Speaker 1: And she is fun, both of which way too good

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Speaker 1: for me, but should be the goal of every man

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Speaker 1: out there. Alexi, enjoy the debate tonight, I can. I

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Speaker 1: out to the paps theater. A couple of thoughts as

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Speaker 1: we roll into this debate. One, I think Ron DeSantis

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Speaker 1: else there, whether it's Vivik Ramaswami, Chris Christy, Nikki Haley,

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Speaker 1: Tim Scott. They're all angling to be the number two

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Speaker 1: interesting to watch because DeSantis is going to come under siege.

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Speaker 1: Is he able to respond to the attacks, because the

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Speaker 1: For the other contenders out there, for the nicky Halees,

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Speaker 1: been seen by the larger American public. How is all

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Speaker 1: of that going to shake out? And then for Vivey Ramaswami,

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Speaker 1: I think he has an incredible opportunity because huge percentages

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Speaker 1: The first fifteen or twenty minutes are going to matter

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Speaker 1: the most. I'm going to be watching it live on television.

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Speaker 1: I'm also gonna be and this is the second big

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Speaker 1: takeaway for me. How many people watch? And how does

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Speaker 1: the Trump interview with Tucker Carlson, in conjunction with Trump

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Speaker 1: turning himself into Atlanta authorities tomorrow alter the dynamics of

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Speaker 1: this race, if at all? What are the viral moments,

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Speaker 1: what stands out? What is the lead discussion for us tomorrow?

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to find out. I'm also if you

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Speaker 1: are going to be watching the debate and you're thinking

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Speaker 1: to yourself, you know what, I can't even wait for

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Speaker 1: noon Eastern on Thursday to hear what Clay thinks. I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna be doing an immediate reaction. You'll be able to

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Speaker 1: watch that on Twitter. You can go follow me at

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Speaker 1: Clay Travis on Twitter. Basically as soon as this debate

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Speaker 1: ends tonight, I am going to be reacting live on

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Speaker 1: video on Twitter, telling you via my yellow legal pad

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Speaker 1: sitting down right in front of me and my trusty pen.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna be taking notes on what stood out to me,

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Speaker 1: who won, who lost? What are the larger consequences of

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Speaker 1: the debate that will be live at around eleven o'clock's

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Speaker 1: Eastern on my Twitter feed at Clay Travis. I'll be

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Speaker 1: back with you tomorrow. Reminder, Bucks still in Scotland running

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Speaker 1: around with his kilt looking for Glocknest Monster with his

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Speaker 1: lovely wife Carrie