1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:13,319 Speaker 1: The volume. All right, welcome to hoho'said out here at 2 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:15,200 Speaker 1: the volume heavy Thursday, everybody of ball. If you guys 3 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:18,279 Speaker 1: are having a great week, Well, if the Dallas Mavericks 4 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: had won last night, we'd be pouring over the film 5 00:00:20,560 --> 00:00:23,840 Speaker 1: today talking about all the different ways that Dallas may 6 00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:26,000 Speaker 1: or may not be able to tie the series and 7 00:00:26,079 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 1: just what we expect to happen in Game four. But 8 00:00:27,920 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: that's not what happened. This series has been pretty consistent 9 00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: throughout the same themes. On both ends of the floor, 10 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: Dallas incapable of containing the basketball and staying out of 11 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: rotation as Boston picks them apart for high quality rim 12 00:00:39,400 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 1: attempts and shots at the three point line. And then 13 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: on the other end of the floor, the simple adjustment 14 00:00:43,479 --> 00:00:47,360 Speaker 1: of putting Jason Tatum on their centers has caused all 15 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: of the spacing of their ball screen actions to fall apart, 16 00:00:50,360 --> 00:00:52,480 Speaker 1: and Luca hasn't been able to punish the Bigs enough 17 00:00:52,479 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: in switches for it to matter, and so Dallas hasn't 18 00:00:54,840 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: been able to score, and that dynamic has not changed 19 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:58,920 Speaker 1: at any point throughout the series, and so this thing 20 00:00:59,000 --> 00:01:01,920 Speaker 1: is over no matter what, even if Dallas goes and 21 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:04,560 Speaker 1: gets Game four off of a hillacious effort and a 22 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: lackadaisical one on Boston's front. I think Dallas is done 23 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:11,119 Speaker 1: with I don't think there's any basketball dynamic they can 24 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: flip to potentially go on a run and win a 25 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:14,759 Speaker 1: bunch of games in a row. So what we're gonna 26 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:16,840 Speaker 1: do today is we're gonna do a mail bag and 27 00:01:16,880 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: talk about specifically some of the questions you guys have 28 00:01:19,680 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: surrounding the NBA Finals. You guys are the job. Before 29 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: we get started, subscribe to Hoops and I YouTube channel 30 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: so you don't miss any more of our videos. Follow 31 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,920 Speaker 1: me on Twitter at Underscore Jason Lts. 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Right, 71 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 1: So like, even as we just look at Dallas, they 72 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 1: beat the shit out of Minnesota because Minnesota can't handle 73 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:25,920 Speaker 1: their rim protection, right, Boston has a counter for their 74 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:29,600 Speaker 1: rim protection through five out spacing. It causes their defense 75 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 1: to fall apart, even on the other end of the floor. 76 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: Like because Minnesota guarded Dallas traditionally, and because Jada McDaniels 77 00:03:37,600 --> 00:03:40,720 Speaker 1: was too skinny to guard Luca, Luca picked them apart, 78 00:03:40,800 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: come into this series bigger, more physical defenders. The adjustment 79 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 1: from Jason Tatum, all of a sudden, Dallas's offense falls apart. 80 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:53,800 Speaker 1: So it's very much a matchup oriented type of league. 81 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,280 Speaker 1: So with that being the case, teams that would have 82 00:03:56,320 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: caused Boston more issues. Teams that can guard on the 83 00:03:59,200 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: perimeter at multi positions. So teams like Oklahoma City now 84 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,920 Speaker 1: this year, I thought they were too young and I 85 00:04:04,960 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 1: don't think they would have been able to beat a 86 00:04:06,360 --> 00:04:08,480 Speaker 1: team like Boston. But the team like Oklahoma City in 87 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: the future seasons is a team that I think could 88 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: give Boston some issues. Minnesota. I don't think that I 89 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: would have picked Minnesota against Boston. It would have been 90 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:17,359 Speaker 1: really close. I would have needed to go back and 91 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 1: look at the film, but chances are I would have 92 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 1: ended up picking Boston. Who knows, But they have a 93 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:25,520 Speaker 1: depth of perimeter defense personnel. They could run lineups with 94 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:29,360 Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards, Nikhil, Alexander Walker, Jade McDaniels, Kyle Anderson, Rudy 95 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:32,359 Speaker 1: Gobert where all five guys can switch and guard on 96 00:04:32,360 --> 00:04:35,920 Speaker 1: the perimeter against multiple different types of archetypes of players. 97 00:04:36,120 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: On the other end of the floor, we saw what 98 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards did to Denver and Phoenix because he can 99 00:04:40,000 --> 00:04:42,400 Speaker 1: beat everyone off the dribble and get into the paint. 100 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 1: They ran into rim protection against Dallas. That was a 101 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:48,880 Speaker 1: problem against Boston, especially with Porzingis injury issues. They don't 102 00:04:48,920 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: really have a lot of rim protection beyond Porzingis, and 103 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: so that would have been an interesting matchup to see 104 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: if Minnesota could have had some success. That said, I 105 00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 1: think the only team I would have picked against Boston 106 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,600 Speaker 1: outright would have Ben Denver. And the main reason why 107 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:04,159 Speaker 1: is they have some defensive weak points as well. Guys 108 00:05:04,200 --> 00:05:06,719 Speaker 1: like Jamal Murray, guys like Michael Porter, Junior Jokic did 109 00:05:06,760 --> 00:05:09,799 Speaker 1: not have a particularly good defensive season this year. However, 110 00:05:09,839 --> 00:05:13,240 Speaker 1: their game plan discipline, even from their lesser defensive players, 111 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:16,000 Speaker 1: including the three I just mentioned, so much better than 112 00:05:16,040 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 1: what we saw from Luca. Like Luca, we're gonna talk 113 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 1: about it in a minute. He was beyond destructive on 114 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: the defensive end in this series. He wasn't even like, oh, 115 00:05:23,960 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 1: he's got this athletic disadvantage that's causing problems, Like no, 116 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: he literally wasn't focused, he wasn't playing hard, he was 117 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: complaining like it. It was an abomination what Luca did 118 00:05:34,760 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: defensively in this postseason run. I think that Denver would 119 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 1: have been a little bit more locked in, a lot 120 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: more locked in down the roster in terms of their 121 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,200 Speaker 1: commitment to the defensive end, and then on the offensive end, 122 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Denver presents an issue for Boston that Boston can't solve, 123 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: Whereas Boston could solve the Luca problem by putting Tatum 124 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: on the center, and because they have so many physical 125 00:05:56,120 --> 00:05:59,599 Speaker 1: perimeter defenders, they were able to have some success against Luca. 126 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: Right with Nikola Jokic and his just complete unguardability underneath 127 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:07,599 Speaker 1: the basket. By any player that Boston has wearing green, 128 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:10,360 Speaker 1: it would have put Boston in a predicament where they 129 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:14,200 Speaker 1: would have consistently been in rotation in giving up quality looks, which, 130 00:06:14,240 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: by the way, we saw in the regular season when 131 00:06:15,839 --> 00:06:19,240 Speaker 1: Denver beat Boston twice. There's a physical imposition element too 132 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: that can lead to some shooting variants. I will say 133 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:26,239 Speaker 1: this though, after watching this series, would I feel more 134 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,880 Speaker 1: like Boston would have had a better chance to beat Denver. 135 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: I would have picked Denver by the ever so slightest 136 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 1: of margins, and I certainly think Boston would have had 137 00:06:34,400 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: a chance. But again, looking forward out of the West, 138 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: it's gonna have to be teams that can really guard 139 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,760 Speaker 1: on the perimeter. If it's a Clippers team that stays 140 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: healthy and actually has Kawhi playing at a top five 141 00:06:45,080 --> 00:06:48,320 Speaker 1: level that would be an interesting threat to Boston. Oklahoma City, 142 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:52,080 Speaker 1: as I mentioned, obviously, the Denver team that I was 143 00:06:52,120 --> 00:06:54,680 Speaker 1: just talking about Memphis is a team that might have 144 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,920 Speaker 1: had some more perimeter defensive personnel to have some success. 145 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 1: But that said, Boston I think was clearly better than 146 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 1: everybody in the Western Conference aside from Denver. As I 147 00:07:04,480 --> 00:07:07,360 Speaker 1: talked about going into the postseason run, the only team 148 00:07:07,360 --> 00:07:10,880 Speaker 1: that I ranked over Boston the entire season was Denver, 149 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:12,280 Speaker 1: and that is the only team I would have picked 150 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: against them. What are your thoughts about Nick's comparison of 151 00:07:15,640 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 1: Luca's defensive performance with that of Steph in twenty sixteen. 152 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm assuming this is Nick right, but I'm not certain 153 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:25,280 Speaker 1: is there value in separating outcomes and effort while judging defense. 154 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: Here's the thing. Steph has physical limitations. He's small, and 155 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,560 Speaker 1: when he would get attacked and there would be some 156 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,040 Speaker 1: issues there, it would be like a guy overpowers him, 157 00:07:37,560 --> 00:07:40,960 Speaker 1: or Kyrie Irving just hits a tough step back jumper 158 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: over the top of him. In the twenty sixteen finals, 159 00:07:44,240 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: very rarely in Steph's career. Was it malaise or just 160 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: not giving a shit that caused his team to have 161 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: issues with him on the defensive end of the floor. 162 00:07:54,120 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: What Luca did is an entirely different type of destructive 163 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: defensive behind behavior. Okay, there's been so much talk about like, oh, well, 164 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: Luca has so much to do. Oh well, what about 165 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: Luca's knee. All of this, We're not talking about him 166 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: being Jalen Brown. We're not asking him to pick up 167 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 1: the other team's play best player full court and to 168 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: fight over the top of ball screens and to be 169 00:08:19,760 --> 00:08:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, banging bodies on the glass all night long. 170 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: That's not what we're talking about. When you are constructing 171 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: a team defense, there is a minimal level of participation 172 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,800 Speaker 1: that you have to hit in order for the construct 173 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:34,680 Speaker 1: of the team defense to work. And Luca was failing 174 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: to reach that level, not even coming close to reaching 175 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:41,079 Speaker 1: that level. Like there's a lot of focus on the blowbys, 176 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,000 Speaker 1: and the blowbys are bad. But you know what, that, 177 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,079 Speaker 1: to me is almost the least frustrating part about it, because, yeah, 178 00:08:47,360 --> 00:08:49,839 Speaker 1: we want Luca to get better physically, we want him 179 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,360 Speaker 1: to take better care of his body, we want him 180 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:53,360 Speaker 1: to be healthier, we want him to be able to 181 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: contain the basketball more that goes without saying, but Luca 182 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 1: is never going to be a lateral speed demon. He's 183 00:09:00,360 --> 00:09:03,160 Speaker 1: just not like he's gonna be to have to do better, 184 00:09:03,360 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: and I'm sure he will over the course of his career. 185 00:09:06,360 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: My bigger issue with it was just the simple attention 186 00:09:09,480 --> 00:09:13,240 Speaker 1: to detail. When you're flopping on three point jump shots 187 00:09:13,280 --> 00:09:15,320 Speaker 1: and falling on the ground and complaining at the refs 188 00:09:15,320 --> 00:09:19,520 Speaker 1: while Boston's running the other way, you're actively sabotaging your 189 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: transition defense and making it impossible for your team to 190 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 1: contain when they're trying to sprint back. In those situations, 191 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 1: when you're guarding Sam Hauser in the strong side corner 192 00:09:29,920 --> 00:09:32,960 Speaker 1: and you're literally several steps off of him, just not 193 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:35,760 Speaker 1: paying attention to where Tatum can just throw a simple 194 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 1: swing pass to sam Hauser one pass away in the 195 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: strong side corner and he can knock down a three 196 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: in your face. You're not doing your job when you're 197 00:09:44,400 --> 00:09:47,680 Speaker 1: just standing around the elbow extended as Drew Holliday is 198 00:09:47,679 --> 00:09:50,200 Speaker 1: sprinting in and out of the lane, grabbing multiple offensive 199 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: rebounds on the same possession, including a putback, while you're 200 00:09:53,240 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: standing on your heels doing nothing on the defensive glass. 201 00:09:57,080 --> 00:10:00,679 Speaker 1: There are dozens and dozens of examples over the course 202 00:10:00,720 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 1: of this NBA Finals run, in particular, where Luca wasn't 203 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: just bad on the defensive end, he was embarrassingly disengaged. 204 00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:13,720 Speaker 1: He was downright damaging to Dallas' capability to even put 205 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:19,240 Speaker 1: out a coherent defense. It was no exaggeration, the worst 206 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:23,360 Speaker 1: defensive performance by a superstar that I have ever seen 207 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:26,719 Speaker 1: in the NBA Finals. So, like, again, when we talk 208 00:10:26,760 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: about criticism and there's I'm generally of the opinion that 209 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,959 Speaker 1: guys that have a ton of offensive responsibility do need 210 00:10:33,000 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: to have lighter defensive workloads. I think that sort of 211 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: thing matters. I'm generally of that opinion that said there's 212 00:10:40,120 --> 00:10:42,880 Speaker 1: a certain minimum level they have to reach, and Luca 213 00:10:42,960 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 1: didn't even come close to reaching that. I thought it 214 00:10:45,160 --> 00:10:49,440 Speaker 1: was completely unacceptable, And like even comparing it to like 215 00:10:49,600 --> 00:10:52,880 Speaker 1: Steph in twenty sixteen and some of the other limited 216 00:10:52,880 --> 00:10:55,840 Speaker 1: defenders in NBA history, to me, it just doesn't doesn't 217 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: even resemble it. Because say what you want about Steph 218 00:10:58,480 --> 00:11:01,320 Speaker 1: and his limitations, he was trying, he was doing his 219 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: job within the scheme. Luca couldn't even be bothered to 220 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:08,000 Speaker 1: do that in this playoff series when evaluating players. This 221 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 1: next question is kind of related to that. When evaluating players, 222 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,400 Speaker 1: do you think individual offense and individual defense should be 223 00:11:14,440 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: weight on the same plane. Is it fifty to fifty 224 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:18,839 Speaker 1: or should we put more emphasis on one over the 225 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 1: other when evaluating individual basketball players. So, I do think 226 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:25,439 Speaker 1: that you can't rank at fifty to fifty. I think 227 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: that you have to put additional weight on the offensive end. 228 00:11:27,840 --> 00:11:30,400 Speaker 1: And the main reason why is it is a lot 229 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:36,199 Speaker 1: easier to scheme an effective defense with a limited offensive 230 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: player as a star than it is to on the 231 00:11:39,280 --> 00:11:42,840 Speaker 1: other end of the floor try to scheme or coach 232 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:46,840 Speaker 1: up an effective offense when your superstar is a limited 233 00:11:46,960 --> 00:11:49,679 Speaker 1: offensive player. For instance, Like let's just make it a 234 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: very basic example. Let's say jokichen Janis Jannis is maybe 235 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: the best defensive player in the world, but if you 236 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,560 Speaker 1: just ranked his offensive skill set, he's not even in 237 00:11:59,559 --> 00:12:02,720 Speaker 1: the top five, right, He's somewhere far below that. Right. 238 00:12:03,280 --> 00:12:07,800 Speaker 1: If you looked at Nikola Jokic, he's the best offensive 239 00:12:07,800 --> 00:12:11,720 Speaker 1: player in the league, but he's a mediocre to slightly 240 00:12:11,720 --> 00:12:14,320 Speaker 1: above average defensive player depending on how hard he's trying. 241 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: In that particular season, I thought he was pretty bad 242 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 1: in this postseason run. I thought he's pretty good last year, right. 243 00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: Who is it easier to build a championship team around. 244 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:24,320 Speaker 1: I think it's easier to build a championship team around 245 00:12:24,360 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: Yokis because you can construct a role for Jokic to 246 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,720 Speaker 1: be an effective defensive player, and we've seen the Denver 247 00:12:32,800 --> 00:12:36,640 Speaker 1: defend at a championship level. Right. But on the other end, 248 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 1: Jokic just can make anything work, right. He can create 249 00:12:40,400 --> 00:12:42,560 Speaker 1: something out of nothing on the offensive end, better than 250 00:12:42,600 --> 00:12:45,480 Speaker 1: basically every player in the league at this point. Looking 251 00:12:45,480 --> 00:12:49,880 Speaker 1: at Yannis, you could get a league average player in 252 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:52,360 Speaker 1: construct a role for him at the power forward spot 253 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,839 Speaker 1: where he's a relatively effective defensive player, But you can't 254 00:12:55,840 --> 00:12:57,719 Speaker 1: turn around and do that on the offensive end of 255 00:12:57,760 --> 00:13:01,480 Speaker 1: the floor, right. Like Giannis's offensive limitations have shown to 256 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,480 Speaker 1: the surface in the postseason often, they showed up in 257 00:13:04,679 --> 00:13:07,600 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three when like, yes, I know he dealt 258 00:13:07,600 --> 00:13:10,319 Speaker 1: with injuries in the Miami Series, but once again close 259 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,160 Speaker 1: games in the half court, Jimmy was just way better 260 00:13:13,240 --> 00:13:16,520 Speaker 1: than him. Right, going back to the seasons before he 261 00:13:16,559 --> 00:13:18,520 Speaker 1: won the title, going back to twenty twenty, going back 262 00:13:18,559 --> 00:13:21,040 Speaker 1: to twenty nineteen, it's been a consistent issue through Jannis's 263 00:13:21,120 --> 00:13:24,000 Speaker 1: career that in the half court when things slow down, 264 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,079 Speaker 1: his offensive limitations are harder to cope with as a 265 00:13:27,120 --> 00:13:30,600 Speaker 1: staff and as a franchise than defensive limitations, right, and 266 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: so again, like I think it's all relative, Like Luca's 267 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:37,760 Speaker 1: defensive limitations are so bad that there's a conversation to 268 00:13:37,760 --> 00:13:40,920 Speaker 1: be made that Giannis deserves to be over Luca simply 269 00:13:41,000 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: because at least he's functional on both ends of the 270 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:46,760 Speaker 1: floor in a way that Luca is not. Right, But yeah, 271 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: for me, it's just I've probably put it at about 272 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: like seventy thirty in favor of offense, because I think 273 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:56,480 Speaker 1: a super high powered offensive player can kind of overcome 274 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 1: everything in a way that is super high powered defensive 275 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,160 Speaker 1: player that's limited on the offensive end cannot has Jalen 276 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: Brown now elevated to the Devin Booker tier of players 277 00:14:04,880 --> 00:14:08,920 Speaker 1: with his playoff performance this year offensively and defensively, He's 278 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:11,439 Speaker 1: been paramount for Boston, where his stock has to be 279 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: up there as a potential Top twelve guy. 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As far as Jalen Brown goes, 289 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 1: I talked about this with Colin Coward last night. Like, 290 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: to me, the conversation around the Jays has gone down 291 00:14:46,480 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: some weird paths in this postseason run. I think it's 292 00:14:49,640 --> 00:14:52,760 Speaker 1: less to do with Jason Tatum's decline and he's had 293 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: just a really bad jump shooting postseason, which has been 294 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: a kind of a continuation of an issue that's been 295 00:14:58,120 --> 00:15:00,600 Speaker 1: kind of propagating over the course of the last two 296 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 1: or three seasons. He's at the third consecutive postseason run 297 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: where he's down year over year from the previous year 298 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: as a jump shooter, and so that's like a whole other, 299 00:15:08,280 --> 00:15:11,600 Speaker 1: separate issue. But really just Jaylen Brown's gone up a level. 300 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: Jaylen Brown to me, when I'm ranking superstars, there's like 301 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,320 Speaker 1: the top tier guys, which to me is literally just 302 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:22,240 Speaker 1: like Jokic, Luca Yannis, maybe Embiid and Shae depending on 303 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:24,120 Speaker 1: who you ask. Those are like the fringe guys in 304 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,320 Speaker 1: that group. But like those are like the three top 305 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:28,440 Speaker 1: tier guys. Then there's like the second tier guys, which 306 00:15:28,440 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: are like all the superstars that are just not quite 307 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: at that level. Right that's Embiid, Shay Tatum, Lebron, Anthony Davis, 308 00:15:36,040 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: like Jimmy Butler. There's just a bunch of guys in 309 00:15:39,760 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 1: that group right well. To me, Jaylen Brown was on 310 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,560 Speaker 1: the tier below that coming into this season, and right 311 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: around halfway through the season, he really started to turn 312 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:50,000 Speaker 1: it up defensively. He started guarding the other team's best 313 00:15:50,000 --> 00:15:53,040 Speaker 1: player every single night. He was really committing on that 314 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:55,040 Speaker 1: end of the floor. I think it was part of 315 00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:57,760 Speaker 1: his Like his scoring went down this season just by 316 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,640 Speaker 1: virtue of all the talent that they brought in, and 317 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 1: I think he just trying to find a way to 318 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,200 Speaker 1: stay engaged with the team. But between that his development 319 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 1: is a pull up jump shooter. I talked about this 320 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,840 Speaker 1: with Luca or with Luca with Colin last night. I 321 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: talked about how like it must have been really rewarding 322 00:16:11,360 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: for Jalen to hit those big mid range jump shots 323 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: down the stretch last night. He's been awesome in the 324 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 1: clutch in this final series. I thought he had that 325 00:16:19,120 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: huge driving left handed layup by Maxi Kliba in Game two. 326 00:16:22,280 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 1: He hit the two big jump shots last night, like 327 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 1: he's just been he's just been playing at that superstar 328 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:31,800 Speaker 1: level there that's just below the true top tier guys, 329 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 1: and I've just been really impressed by him. And that's 330 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,680 Speaker 1: the talent influx. The talent influx is, like you know, 331 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 1: even with porzingis out, it doesn't change the fact that 332 00:16:39,920 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 1: they have two guys that are in that second tier 333 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: of superstars, and that's just really difficult to deal with. 334 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:47,360 Speaker 1: I mean, you guys know I'm a Lakers fan. Think 335 00:16:47,360 --> 00:16:50,560 Speaker 1: about how optimistic I've been about the Lakers consistently and 336 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 1: why I've been super optimistic about the Lakers consistently. Why 337 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,320 Speaker 1: Because they have two guys that are in that second 338 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: tier superstars in Lebron James and Anthony Davis. Boston has 339 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: that too, in addition to Drew Holliday, Derek White, Al Horford, 340 00:17:03,880 --> 00:17:06,639 Speaker 1: Porzingis when he's healthy. I've been really impressed by Howser 341 00:17:06,680 --> 00:17:10,480 Speaker 1: and Pritchard and their contributions in this postseason run. But yeah, 342 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: the rise of Jayalen Brown has infinitely increased the ceiling 343 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: of this Boston Celtics team. We're this close to crowding 344 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 1: a new NBA champion, and with the action heating up 345 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:23,919 Speaker 1: on the court, it's even hotter. At Draft Kings Sportsbook, 346 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: an official sports betting partner of the NBA. 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So 382 00:19:28,960 --> 00:19:31,239 Speaker 1: I do believe that Boston will close it out in 383 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,320 Speaker 1: no more than five games. So for me, again, as 384 00:19:34,320 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: I mentioned before, I think that this Boston Celtics team 385 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 1: is a little less dominant than it looks on the surface. 386 00:19:40,080 --> 00:19:43,640 Speaker 1: And the reasoning is pretty simple. The Eastern Conference at 387 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: the bottom was atrocious and so that inflated win totals 388 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: to a certain extent. To put it simply, you play 389 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: thirty games against the West, you play fifty two games 390 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:56,159 Speaker 1: against your own conference. That is going to make it 391 00:19:56,160 --> 00:19:58,159 Speaker 1: so the Eastern Conference win totals are higher. There's a 392 00:19:58,160 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: lot of talk about like, oh, this team out West 393 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:01,920 Speaker 1: only had forty six wins. O, this team out West 394 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 1: only had forty seven, forty eight wins, and it's like, yeah, 395 00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: they're just way more good teams. They can't all have 396 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: fifty five wins. That's just not how it works, right. So, 397 00:20:10,119 --> 00:20:12,480 Speaker 1: like the win totals, I think for Boston were a 398 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:15,399 Speaker 1: little inflated. There were five good teams in the East, 399 00:20:15,400 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: in my opinion, and four of them ended up in 400 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,399 Speaker 1: the other end of the bracket. They all beat the 401 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,119 Speaker 1: hell out of each other to where Indiana, which was 402 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 1: probably like I was ranking those teams on the other 403 00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: end of the bracket, like Indiana very against the healthy 404 00:20:28,119 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: Bucks and the Sixers, and that Knicks team in the Pacers, 405 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,119 Speaker 1: I'd probably put the Pacers at the bottom of that 406 00:20:34,200 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: list when they're all healthy, right, They beat the Bucks 407 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: because the Bucks weren't healthy, and by the time that 408 00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,960 Speaker 1: they got to the Knicks, the Knicks had completely fallen apart, right, 409 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,119 Speaker 1: So like they faced this injured limited Pacers team in 410 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,359 Speaker 1: the conference finals, and then out of all of the 411 00:20:47,400 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 1: teams that they could have faced out West, I think 412 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:53,240 Speaker 1: Dallas was no higher than third out of those teams 413 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 1: in terms of who was best equipped to deal with Boston. 414 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 1: And so it's a bona fide NBA championship. They are 415 00:21:00,520 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 1: one of the more dominant champions in terms of on 416 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:07,320 Speaker 1: paper success. However, a couple of specific things, like they 417 00:21:07,359 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 1: do not have that true alpha dog apex superstar, so 418 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:12,800 Speaker 1: that would be something that I would hold them back 419 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:15,359 Speaker 1: compared to some other champions. So let's talk about the 420 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 1: list here, and so I excitded this to six. You 421 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: asked me for the top five, I'm gonna go to 422 00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,359 Speaker 1: six because that's the delineation after after Kevin Durant and 423 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: Steph Curry were no longer teamed up with each other 424 00:21:27,440 --> 00:21:30,159 Speaker 1: post twenty eighteen, right or twenty nineteen, right. So we 425 00:21:30,200 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 1: have the twenty nineteen Raptors, twenty twenty Lakers, twenty twenty 426 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: one Bucks, twenty twenty two Warriors, twenty three Nuggets, twenty 427 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: four Celtics. So at number six, I put the twenty 428 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: twenty one Bucks. I think that Giannis in that twenty 429 00:21:42,880 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: twenty one season was a lesser superstar than some of 430 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: the other superstars that we've seen, like like Lebron in 431 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:52,399 Speaker 1: twenty twenty or Yokic and twenty twenty three, Steph in 432 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,120 Speaker 1: twenty twenty two, and Kawhi in twenty nineteen. I think 433 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,320 Speaker 1: he was behind all of those guys in terms of 434 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,480 Speaker 1: where the level he was playing at in that particular 435 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: postseason run that team, also in terms of just top 436 00:22:03,280 --> 00:22:05,959 Speaker 1: to bottom talent, in terms of the quality of teams 437 00:22:05,960 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: they beat along the way like you beat the Trey 438 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 1: Young Hawks in the conference final and the Devin Booker 439 00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:14,400 Speaker 1: Chris Paul Suns in the NBA Finals. So I put 440 00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: the Bucks at the bottom of that list. Number five. 441 00:22:16,560 --> 00:22:19,840 Speaker 1: I put the twenty nineteen Raptors similar to the honest thing. 442 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,639 Speaker 1: I think Kawhi is beneath Steph Jokich and Lebron in 443 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 1: terms of like that top tier superstar power. That team 444 00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,600 Speaker 1: was amazing defensively at a big look and a small look, 445 00:22:28,640 --> 00:22:31,919 Speaker 1: an awesome home court advantage, really really good team, but 446 00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,639 Speaker 1: I don't think they're better than any of the teams 447 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: above them. Twenty twenty two Warriors I put in at fourth. 448 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:40,919 Speaker 1: The main reason why I have that team down further 449 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:43,960 Speaker 1: is like their second best player and third best player 450 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:47,280 Speaker 1: were basically like Jordan Poole and Andrew Wiggins in some order. 451 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: Probably I go Andrew Wiggins too, and then like you know, 452 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,399 Speaker 1: Jordan Poole, then Draymond Green obviously was amazing defensively in 453 00:22:53,400 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 1: that postseason run. Klay Thompson had a huge fingerprint on 454 00:22:57,920 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals with his defense on Jalen Like. It 455 00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:04,879 Speaker 1: was an excellent team that overachieved and won a title 456 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:08,080 Speaker 1: with one of the all time great players in NBA 457 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 1: history in Steph Curry leading the way. But in terms 458 00:23:11,359 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 1: of just sheer force of talent that that was not 459 00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,320 Speaker 1: something that that Golden State team brought to the table. 460 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: So I have them a little bit lower at three. 461 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: I have the twenty twenty four Celtics, and the main case, 462 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:26,159 Speaker 1: there is just overwhelming force of talent. Right you have 463 00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,400 Speaker 1: five players in the open market that would fetch thirty 464 00:23:28,400 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 1: plus million Al Horford if he was a free agent 465 00:23:30,960 --> 00:23:34,240 Speaker 1: tomorrow and would probably be in that like fifteen to 466 00:23:34,280 --> 00:23:38,080 Speaker 1: twenty million range. Like, they just have an absurdity of talent. 467 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,880 Speaker 1: They have an excellent coach in Joe Mizzulu, who really 468 00:23:41,920 --> 00:23:44,280 Speaker 1: won me over in a big way in this postseason run. 469 00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:48,000 Speaker 1: It's been really fascinating just to get a better exposure 470 00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,680 Speaker 1: to the attempts that he's made this year to try 471 00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 1: to shape the Celtics into a team oriented offense that 472 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: trusts each other. In Hunt's quality looks, they this is 473 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: a Celtics team that I didn't really enjoy watching that 474 00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 1: much during the regular season because of their reticence to 475 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:07,359 Speaker 1: really buy into Missoula Ball and what he was asking 476 00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: them to do. And I actually genuinely enjoy watching the 477 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 1: Celtics now in a way that I didn't earlier because 478 00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:15,960 Speaker 1: they're playing a brand of basketball that I believe is 479 00:24:16,040 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 1: championship worthy. They've won me over at a big way. 480 00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown, I think has ascended into that second tier 481 00:24:21,240 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: of superstars. Awesome team one limitations, they just don't have 482 00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: an apex star. Number two. I put the twenty twenty 483 00:24:28,119 --> 00:24:31,360 Speaker 1: three Denver Nuggets. I think that Nikola Jokic was and 484 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:33,960 Speaker 1: still is the best player in the world. We'll get 485 00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 1: into some of those specifics here. I think there's some 486 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: of it in this mail bag, but definitely over the offseason. 487 00:24:39,560 --> 00:24:42,320 Speaker 1: But the one limitation there why I have them below 488 00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:46,600 Speaker 1: the Lakers is their second best player, obviously was Jamal Murray, 489 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: who in my opinion is in that like fifteen to 490 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:53,440 Speaker 1: twenty range. A lot of like really well fitting players, 491 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: but most of that team came down to Nikola jokicch 492 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 1: and what he could do in his unbelievable level of dominance. 493 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 1: He's why I have twenty one the twenty twenty Lakers 494 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:04,480 Speaker 1: at one. And look, I get it, I'm biased. I'm 495 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,639 Speaker 1: a Lakers fan. I'm a Lebron James fan. And by 496 00:25:06,680 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: the way, if you guys disagree, I just want to 497 00:25:08,040 --> 00:25:10,399 Speaker 1: see your rankings. Drop your rankings in the comments. You 498 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: guys know I go through and read the comments, So 499 00:25:12,400 --> 00:25:15,480 Speaker 1: drop your individual rankings on the teams and put your 500 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,399 Speaker 1: reasoning and I'll read through it. And I want to 501 00:25:17,400 --> 00:25:20,720 Speaker 1: hear your guys take. My take is simple. The twenty 502 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: twenty Lakers were the only team in that group that 503 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:27,159 Speaker 1: had two top tier superstars. Anthony Davis. Say what you 504 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 1: want about him, say what you want about what he's become, 505 00:25:29,720 --> 00:25:31,280 Speaker 1: say what you want about what he used to be. 506 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: But in that twenty twenty season, he was unquestionably one 507 00:25:36,160 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: of the five best players in the league. He had 508 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:42,639 Speaker 1: this like deadly mid range ISO pull up jump shot attack. 509 00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,280 Speaker 1: He legitimately could space the four from the three point 510 00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:47,400 Speaker 1: line and hit a game winning three point shot in 511 00:25:47,440 --> 00:25:50,639 Speaker 1: that playoff series. He was a dominant low post force, 512 00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: and he's the best defensive player in the world who 513 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,080 Speaker 1: had one of the best defensive playoff runs that we've 514 00:25:56,080 --> 00:25:58,959 Speaker 1: ever seen. In Lebron James in twenty twenty was the 515 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,160 Speaker 1: best player in the world. My opinion, should have one 516 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:04,760 Speaker 1: MVP that was the year everyone bought into Giannis's advanced 517 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:06,880 Speaker 1: metrics just because they kicked the shit out of everybody 518 00:26:06,880 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 1: in a bad Eastern conference. That team had, in my opinion, 519 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: the best player in the world in Lebron and the 520 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:15,119 Speaker 1: fourth best player in the world in Anthony Davis, while 521 00:26:15,160 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 1: also being a elite defensive team down the roster. There 522 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:21,520 Speaker 1: is no other team in that list. Denver did not 523 00:26:21,640 --> 00:26:24,439 Speaker 1: have two top five players. This Boston team does not 524 00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,199 Speaker 1: have two top five players. That Warriors team did not 525 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:30,160 Speaker 1: have two top five players. Neither did the Rafters, neither 526 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: did the Bucks. And so that's my case. And so 527 00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:34,959 Speaker 1: what I want you guys to do. If you're arguing 528 00:26:34,960 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: with me and you're saying, Jason, you're an idiot, you're 529 00:26:36,840 --> 00:26:38,800 Speaker 1: a biased Lakers fan, why do you have the Lakers 530 00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: at one? Tell me what of those other teams conquers 531 00:26:42,359 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 1: the fact that the Lakers had two of the top 532 00:26:44,160 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 1: five players in the world during that span. That's where 533 00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: I think is a good spot to kind of start 534 00:26:48,520 --> 00:26:50,879 Speaker 1: that debate. But we can get into that more in 535 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: some mail bags down the line. Next question, even though 536 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: the NBA has a lot of young, talented players, why 537 00:26:56,760 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 1: does it not feel as exciting. I thought this was 538 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,159 Speaker 1: pretty simple. The one. The Eastern Conference playoff picture was 539 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,280 Speaker 1: just really bad. This year two we have had back 540 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:07,560 Speaker 1: to back seasons. This is crazy. I had to go 541 00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,400 Speaker 1: back and look at it. Back to back seasons where 542 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,119 Speaker 1: in the conference finals the team jumped up three to 543 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: zero in both conferences. Miami went up three to ohero 544 00:27:16,119 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 1: on Boston. Last year, Denver went up three to oho 545 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:20,160 Speaker 1: on the Lakers. Dallas went up three zero in Minnesota. 546 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 1: This year, Boston went up three to zero on the Pacers. 547 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: Then we go into the NBA Finals. Denver kicked the 548 00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,240 Speaker 1: shit out of Miami last year in Boston's kicking the 549 00:27:27,240 --> 00:27:30,120 Speaker 1: shit out of Dallas. So for back to back seasons, 550 00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: the second half of the playoff picture has just been garbage, 551 00:27:34,080 --> 00:27:36,159 Speaker 1: and so I think that that has kind of taken 552 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,240 Speaker 1: some of the excitement out of it. But I think 553 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 1: a lot of that has to do with matchups, A 554 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: lot of that has to do with health. So with 555 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,239 Speaker 1: the team the league getting deeper and more and more 556 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: good teams entering the picture, I do think that we'll 557 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 1: have more exciting playoff runs down the line. Do you 558 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 1: think the finals MVP is locked in for Jaln Brown 559 00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: or depending on if it's a sweep in how each 560 00:27:54,440 --> 00:27:57,879 Speaker 1: JT and him perform, could it defer to Jason Tatum 561 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 1: love the show, keep it up. So I think Jalen 562 00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: Brown is the clear Finals MVP to this point. He's 563 00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: been better statistically. He has the two most iconic plays 564 00:28:07,080 --> 00:28:09,679 Speaker 1: of the series, those two one handed dunks that he 565 00:28:09,760 --> 00:28:13,760 Speaker 1: had even on the block of PJ. Washington in transition 566 00:28:13,800 --> 00:28:15,879 Speaker 1: at the end of Game two was Derek White was 567 00:28:15,920 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: in there, but so was Jalen Brown. He hit three 568 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:21,160 Speaker 1: of the biggest shots in the series, that driving left 569 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:23,040 Speaker 1: handed layup on maxic Cleiba, as well as the pull 570 00:28:23,080 --> 00:28:25,159 Speaker 1: up jump shots that he hit last night. I think 571 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,600 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown is clearly the Finals MVP to this point. Obviously, 572 00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: if JB goes for twelve in Game four and Tatum 573 00:28:31,000 --> 00:28:34,200 Speaker 1: goes for forty and it's a super close game, you 574 00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 1: could see potentially as swinging the other way. But to me, 575 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: Jalen Brown's clearly the Finals MVP at this point. As 576 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:43,560 Speaker 1: far as the other element to it, which is like 577 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,640 Speaker 1: Jason Tatum's responsibilities, which are he could double team more. Obviously, 578 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,240 Speaker 1: him being on the center is the primary defensive function 579 00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: that has caused Dallas' offense to fall apart. I do 580 00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: think Tatum's impact in this series is underrated. He's been 581 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 1: better than what you would think look at the box score. 582 00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: That said, Jalen Brown also has done a lot of 583 00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 1: stuff in the details. He's been one of the main 584 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: guys getting them in rotation Defensively, he's been the guy 585 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 1: that's been picking up Luca full court and applying all 586 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: that ball pressure and doing all that work. Like to me, 587 00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,720 Speaker 1: even though Jason Tatum has a lot beneath the box 588 00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 1: score that he's been doing well, it's not enough to 589 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,120 Speaker 1: make up for the gap. And I think Jalen Brown 590 00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: deserves to win finals. MVP. Do you think the Celtics 591 00:29:24,040 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 1: can continue to win championships if Tatum isn't playing at 592 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: a top five level, because it's pretty clear that he 593 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:30,840 Speaker 1: won't reach that top tier as long as those five 594 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,840 Speaker 1: guys are together, even just Horford and with those four guys, yeah, 595 00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: forget about it. Let's just take the center position and 596 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,360 Speaker 1: position out of it. As long as Eric White, Jalen Brown, 597 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: Jason Tatum, and Drew Holliday are together, I think that 598 00:29:42,600 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: they're going to have a really good chance to win. 599 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: I agree with Colin last night he said he said 600 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:49,440 Speaker 1: that the Celtics team is too weird to like win 601 00:29:49,520 --> 00:29:51,640 Speaker 1: three or four in a row. I agree with that, 602 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,800 Speaker 1: But they're too talented to not win at least one 603 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,120 Speaker 1: and to be in the picture every year. And if 604 00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,040 Speaker 1: they're in the picture every year, all takes is an 605 00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:01,520 Speaker 1: injury here, favorable matchup there to get a win. And 606 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,160 Speaker 1: so I think if someone asked me, is it more 607 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 1: likely than not that Boston wins another one in the 608 00:30:07,600 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: next two seasons, I'd say yes, I think it's more 609 00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,000 Speaker 1: likely than not that Boston wins another one at some 610 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 1: point in the next two seasons. They're durable, they're young, 611 00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,440 Speaker 1: they're athletic, they just they check so many boxes. They're 612 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: just gonna be in the picture. That said every team 613 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: that won the championship over the last six years. Do 614 00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: you guys remember Nuggets fans last year all summer long, 615 00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:28,920 Speaker 1: how confident and arrogant they were. Remember Warriors fans the 616 00:30:29,000 --> 00:30:31,920 Speaker 1: year before, Remember Bucks fans the year before that, Remember 617 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,400 Speaker 1: Lakers fans. I mean, we're still arrogant, you know what 618 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:37,239 Speaker 1: I mean? So like we like you got to remember that, 619 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: like every team that hoists the trophy thinks they're the 620 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: team that figured it out. They're about to go on 621 00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:44,040 Speaker 1: a run. Boston, Actually I do think has a chance 622 00:30:44,040 --> 00:30:46,320 Speaker 1: to win multiple so does Denver. But we found out 623 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:47,840 Speaker 1: pretty quickly that it was kind of a flash and 624 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: a pan thing with that Warriors team and with that 625 00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: Bucks team. Right, so something to keep in mind. Let's see, 626 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:54,880 Speaker 1: we'll do one more and then we'll get out of here. Hey, Jason, 627 00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,320 Speaker 1: love the work you've been doing. You've really made me 628 00:30:56,320 --> 00:30:58,120 Speaker 1: fall in love with the game again. My question is 629 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,840 Speaker 1: did this year's playoffs affect how you look at future 630 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:04,440 Speaker 1: playoff series? And if it did, how so? So this 631 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,680 Speaker 1: has been and we're going to do a deeper version 632 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 1: of this right after the NBA Finals end. It'll probably 633 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:11,200 Speaker 1: be one of the early videos we do next week 634 00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:12,920 Speaker 1: every year. If those are guys who followed the show, 635 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:15,680 Speaker 1: I do like a five biggest lessons I learned. But 636 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: if I had to give like a quick elevator pitch 637 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: on it, it's pretty simple to me. I do think 638 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:22,880 Speaker 1: it's important to run five out offense. You guys who 639 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:24,400 Speaker 1: have followed the show for a while know that I 640 00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:26,640 Speaker 1: used to be a huge proponent, not a huge proponent, 641 00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: but a defender of that four out kind of brute 642 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:32,720 Speaker 1: force type of attack. But when you have the four 643 00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,840 Speaker 1: out brute force kind of attack, I think you need 644 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: multiple physically imposing players for that to work. And I 645 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: think that one of the things that's happened is Dallas 646 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,720 Speaker 1: has been reliant a lot on pull up jump shooting 647 00:31:43,720 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 1: because of this adjustment that Boston's made, and it's kind 648 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 1: of stagnated things. It's made the role players play poorly. 649 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,720 Speaker 1: Kyrie and Luca haven't been able to hit enough of 650 00:31:50,760 --> 00:31:52,960 Speaker 1: them right. And so I think teams that have more 651 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 1: ball in player movement that keep all five players involved 652 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,640 Speaker 1: just have some more resilience when they get to the 653 00:31:58,680 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 1: later levels of the playoffs. So, like to me, ideally 654 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 1: you want to run a five out offense with five 655 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:06,760 Speaker 1: offensive threats. They don't all have to be shooters, but 656 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: they all need to be offensive threats in some way, 657 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: shape or form, even if it's just like a screener 658 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: and cutter. Right. But I think that that's an important 659 00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,920 Speaker 1: piece that I'd look at, Like, I think that that's 660 00:32:15,440 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: an important lesson to learn, is that teams that run 661 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: five out multiple players of multiple threats, lots of ball 662 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:23,520 Speaker 1: and player movement on the other end of the floor. Again, 663 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,400 Speaker 1: this is something that I've always believed but I think 664 00:32:26,440 --> 00:32:28,400 Speaker 1: has been hammered home in a big way in this postseason. 665 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,600 Speaker 1: Defensive versatility. You have to be able to guard multiple ways. 666 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: If you can load up on a team to guard, 667 00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,960 Speaker 1: that's great, But you better be able to guard a 668 00:32:35,960 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 1: team that spreads you out as well, a team that 669 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: can test your perimeter defense and test your ability to 670 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:43,440 Speaker 1: contain in rotation. So next year, when we see a 671 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 1: team that has a great defensive rating that loads up 672 00:32:46,320 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: the paint and drop coverage and uses the low man 673 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 1: and loads up the strong side, but they have multiple 674 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: weak perimeter defensive points, just something to keep in mind 675 00:32:54,560 --> 00:32:56,640 Speaker 1: as we go into the postseason. We'll get into way 676 00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,400 Speaker 1: more detail about that when we get into this summer. 677 00:33:00,400 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: As always, I appreciate you guys for participating in the 678 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:04,680 Speaker 1: mail bag and for supporting the show. We're gonna be 679 00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 1: back tomorrow night, no calling tomorrow, just me live. After 680 00:33:07,680 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: the final buzzer of Game four. I will see you 681 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: guys though the volume