1 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: Hi, This is Jace om Utah. Welcome to The Philly Show. 2 00:00:08,240 --> 00:00:13,880 Speaker 2: Hi, everybody, The Philly Show with Ruben Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury, 3 00:00:13,880 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: I'm todds like it's Monday morning. It's Saint Patrick's Day. 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 2: Happy Saint Patrick's Day. Any either of you guys? 5 00:00:20,680 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 3: Irish? 6 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:25,599 Speaker 4: Oh not Irish? Ruben, o'marrow. 7 00:00:27,400 --> 00:00:30,360 Speaker 3: That's today. You can today you can get rid of 8 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 3: the A. Put in a O with a little hyphen. 9 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:34,639 Speaker 4: There you go, there you go. 10 00:00:35,800 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: I have a lot of Irish blood in me. 11 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 3: Yes, all right, but what are you gonna do, Jim? Today? 12 00:00:41,880 --> 00:00:43,920 Speaker 1: I'm actually gonna have corn, beef and cabbage for dinner 13 00:00:43,920 --> 00:00:44,440 Speaker 1: and love it. 14 00:00:45,280 --> 00:00:46,920 Speaker 4: You Where are you going? 15 00:00:47,560 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 1: Right right here in my kitchen? Okay? 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:52,600 Speaker 3: Really okay? So you do that you do? 17 00:00:53,479 --> 00:00:55,639 Speaker 4: Or is your wonderful wife an making it? 18 00:00:56,640 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: Actually I'm gonna make it. I go slow cooker, I 19 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: do extra seasoning, extra pickling spice, and I put it 20 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:07,959 Speaker 1: in there and slow cook it all day and then 21 00:01:08,319 --> 00:01:11,520 Speaker 1: you know, halfway through I had the carrots, potatoes and 22 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:13,400 Speaker 1: the cabbage. I love cabbage. 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:17,520 Speaker 4: Thinking, maybe, Jim, I think we should have a pod. 24 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 3: What is it called? 25 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,680 Speaker 4: A one of those. 26 00:01:22,880 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 1: Food show cookbooks. Yeah, we should. I love it sandwich. 27 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: I always get a big one too, so I can 28 00:01:29,280 --> 00:01:30,199 Speaker 1: have extra corny. 29 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:32,119 Speaker 5: Stow it out to the fans to see if they 30 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 5: think we should go with the cookbook with the cod 31 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:35,320 Speaker 5: Pod cookbook. 32 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:36,840 Speaker 3: Jim, you like cabbage? 33 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 2: That was I think one of you guys said that 34 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,240 Speaker 2: was in the postgame spread in the nineteen fifteen World 35 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:43,039 Speaker 2: Series in our last episode. 36 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 4: I like cabbage too, just a bowl of cabbage. I 37 00:01:48,000 --> 00:01:49,240 Speaker 4: like this kind of cabbage. 38 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, there you go, blue some glues. 39 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: So yeah. 40 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,880 Speaker 2: Today Phillies are at home today Monday, Saint Patrick's Day game. 41 00:01:56,920 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 2: It's always fun fanatics and green. They're wearing the green cab. 42 00:02:00,280 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: The tiki bar is going to be slammed after the game. 43 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:06,080 Speaker 2: A lot of fun. Yesterday, the Phillies were in Serviasoda 44 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 2: and a couple of things happened that made me think 45 00:02:07,640 --> 00:02:09,600 Speaker 2: about kind of these bench battles that are going on. 46 00:02:09,639 --> 00:02:11,960 Speaker 2: I want to get your guys takes on it. Max 47 00:02:12,040 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 2: Kepler and Brandon Marsh both leave the game yesterday with injuries, 48 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:21,560 Speaker 2: Kepler with a bruised lower back, Marsh with a bruised lefknee. 49 00:02:21,600 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 3: They're fine. They took them off for precautionary reasons. 50 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,200 Speaker 2: But in the moment, you're sitting there going, oh my gosh, 51 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 2: like that's all they need to do is lose two 52 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 2: outfielders before, you know, ten days eleven days before opening day. 53 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,399 Speaker 2: And it made me start thinking about some of these 54 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 2: bench battles that they've got going on, and I wanted 55 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: to see what you guys just takes. You know, first 56 00:02:42,320 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 2: of all on the outfield depth, but also on how 57 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 2: do you think these bench battles are going right now? 58 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 3: You have Cody. 59 00:02:49,200 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 2: Clemens in the mix. I think Johann Rojas is probably 60 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: gonna make the team. I know we talked last week. 61 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: I left them off my opening day roster. They're going 62 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 2: to give Brandon marsh some some run. Ruben wanted Rojas 63 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 2: on for sure. Carlos Royo is in camp, Cal Stevenson, 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,239 Speaker 2: Buddy Kennedy, Oscar Mercado, those are kind of the healthy 65 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:07,959 Speaker 2: bench candidates in camp. You guys see this, where do 66 00:03:08,000 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 2: you guys see this thing standing right now with and 67 00:03:10,280 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 2: that's now ten days to go before opening Day. 68 00:03:13,440 --> 00:03:15,760 Speaker 1: Well, when I saw those two guys leave the game yesterday, 69 00:03:15,800 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 1: I was like, you know, it kind of accentuated for me, 70 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:22,000 Speaker 1: how thin they are out there in the outfield, not 71 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: only in personnel, but in production. It's to me, it's 72 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 1: a real kind of question mark of the team. They 73 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,160 Speaker 1: really need production out there more than they got last 74 00:03:30,240 --> 00:03:34,200 Speaker 1: year on the whole, you know, across the three spots. 75 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:37,680 Speaker 1: And it's been really encouraging that Kepler swung it so well. 76 00:03:38,320 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: And I saw he kind of he likes hitting in 77 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: a lineup that has all those studs in. It sounds 78 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 1: like it takes some pressure off from I saw one 79 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: of his quotes. But as far as you know, to me, 80 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:51,360 Speaker 1: Cody Clement is gonna be hard to keep off. I 81 00:03:51,360 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: know he's left handed and you kind of ideally would 82 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,640 Speaker 1: like a right handed bat. But man, he's been swinging 83 00:03:55,680 --> 00:04:00,320 Speaker 1: a really really, really good Yeah. 84 00:04:00,320 --> 00:04:03,320 Speaker 2: Cody Clemens is betting three sixty one this spring, two doubles, 85 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:05,680 Speaker 2: one triple, two home runs, seven. 86 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 3: RBIs ops over one thousand. 87 00:04:08,600 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: So he's he's he's doing his job to stay on 88 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:11,920 Speaker 2: the team. 89 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:13,920 Speaker 1: So now you think Rojas is going to make it. 90 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,520 Speaker 2: Well, you know, I'm just thinking when I saw marsh 91 00:04:16,520 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 2: go down, I saw Kepler go down yesterday, I'm going, 92 00:04:19,120 --> 00:04:19,760 Speaker 2: oh my goodness. 93 00:04:19,800 --> 00:04:20,960 Speaker 3: But here's the thing about Rojas. 94 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:22,400 Speaker 2: So one of the reasons why I said maybe he 95 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 2: doesn't make the rosters because he hasn't played in the 96 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:27,080 Speaker 2: outfield yet. So he's going to start throwing the bases 97 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 2: today Monday, and he's probably gonna do it one more time, 98 00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:33,559 Speaker 2: Rob Thompson said, and then he said he's he'll probably 99 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,279 Speaker 2: get in the field after that, so he could get 100 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:39,120 Speaker 2: in center field. You know, I guess as early as midweek, 101 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 2: later this week, before the weekend. So, I mean, how 102 00:04:42,480 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 2: many games, Reuben, do you think he would need to 103 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 2: play in the outfield. I mean, just one game just 104 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:47,960 Speaker 2: to show you can go out there and make a 105 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 2: throw before he's. 106 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 3: Fit fit to play. 107 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:54,400 Speaker 5: No, I think he's gonna be fine, and outfield play 108 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:56,919 Speaker 5: is not the issue. I know he's been tracking five 109 00:04:56,960 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 5: balls and doing his work out there. Paco Figure one 110 00:05:00,360 --> 00:05:04,080 Speaker 5: of the better outfield coaches in baseball, and I'm sure 111 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,720 Speaker 5: that they're working to keep him fresh. It was interesting 112 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 5: to see ed Mundo Sosa get the work that he 113 00:05:10,400 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 5: got in been watching these guys on the backfield. He's 114 00:05:13,760 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 5: been busting his rear end to try to get more 115 00:05:16,839 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 5: and more comfortable. Is getting better out there. I think 116 00:05:19,880 --> 00:05:21,960 Speaker 5: that the coaching staff is starting to fee a little 117 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:23,320 Speaker 5: bit more comfortable at him out there. 118 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 4: So that's a good thing. 119 00:05:24,360 --> 00:05:27,839 Speaker 5: But I still think that Rojas is I mean, defense 120 00:05:27,920 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 5: is the last thing that they have to worry about 121 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 5: on with Rojas. 122 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:31,760 Speaker 4: I think he does need to get out there and 123 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:32,320 Speaker 4: get reps. 124 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 5: But if he plays about you know, four games, five game, 125 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:37,680 Speaker 5: I think he can get He still has a chance 126 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 5: to get you know, three or four games or whatever, 127 00:05:39,720 --> 00:05:41,400 Speaker 5: and they can go and send him down to the 128 00:05:41,400 --> 00:05:43,359 Speaker 5: minor leagues and have him go out there and shag 129 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,039 Speaker 5: and play defense. 130 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 4: There's a lot of things that they can have him do. 131 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:49,599 Speaker 5: Right now, he's getting as many at bats as he can, 132 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 5: and he's getting him in. 133 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,440 Speaker 4: A lot of games. It's actually performed, he said, over 134 00:05:52,480 --> 00:05:53,600 Speaker 4: three hundred. He's done well. 135 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 5: He's finally I talked to Kevin Long about him quite 136 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,080 Speaker 5: a bit, and he said he's starting to just be himself, 137 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,160 Speaker 5: be a little bit more athletic and not trying to, 138 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:06,560 Speaker 5: you know, lift the ball out of the ballpark and 139 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 5: not trying to do you know, he's just trying to 140 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:10,480 Speaker 5: be within himself. The one thing that he does need 141 00:06:10,520 --> 00:06:13,840 Speaker 5: to work on, he definitely does have to start bunting 142 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 5: more consistently, and I have to stop banging on this, 143 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:19,680 Speaker 5: banging on my desk because I keep hitting my desk 144 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 5: and making too many sounds for this podcast. Anyway, the 145 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 5: the the reality is that he's he has to, you know, 146 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:28,279 Speaker 5: play that short man's game. 147 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 4: I think Cody Clements is making this ball club. 148 00:06:31,240 --> 00:06:33,240 Speaker 5: I don't know, there's any question in my mind that 149 00:06:33,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 5: he's making this, that he's going to make. 150 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 4: This ball club. 151 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:40,919 Speaker 5: He's too valuable a left handed bat off the bench. 152 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:45,120 Speaker 5: I know this doesn't sound like the right piece, but 153 00:06:45,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 5: mar Shaan can also hit right handed. And if they 154 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 5: get into a pinch late in the game and they're 155 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,479 Speaker 5: losing and they might have to use that other that 156 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 5: other bat, Marshan's right, you know, he's switching her. So 157 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:58,480 Speaker 5: that that that I think factors in a little bit, 158 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 5: and the fact that Edmund's. 159 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,920 Speaker 4: Still on the bench and a viable right and at 160 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 4: Bad as well. 161 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,000 Speaker 5: I think Cody clem is making this ball club, but 162 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 5: I think Marshan's making this ball club. And unless something 163 00:07:09,840 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 5: were to happen as far as health is concerned to 164 00:07:12,400 --> 00:07:13,800 Speaker 5: one of the catchers. 165 00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 4: I don't think that's good to change. 166 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 5: And I think Stubbs may end up be ticketed to 167 00:07:18,520 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 5: to Lei Valley so that this team can keep all 168 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,120 Speaker 5: their assets with Rojas. 169 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,240 Speaker 1: If you're that committed to giving Brandon Marshall run in 170 00:07:29,280 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: center field against righty's and leftis, you know, play him 171 00:07:31,520 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: every day. I just think it makes sense to have 172 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 1: Rojas playing every day in Triple A, working on those 173 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: things you talked about getting better and bring him. You know, 174 00:07:44,640 --> 00:07:47,920 Speaker 1: if there's a need in everyday need, then you bring 175 00:07:47,960 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 1: them and it's not hard to get him here quickly. 176 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:56,280 Speaker 5: But my feeling on that is Jim that I don't 177 00:07:56,280 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 5: know that they view him as an everyday center fielder. 178 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 5: I don't know if they view him that he needs 179 00:08:00,640 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 5: that development and they and they probably feel like they 180 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,840 Speaker 5: want to. I think Crawford's their centerfielder of the future, 181 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:08,640 Speaker 5: and I think they're seeing that and so. 182 00:08:08,600 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 1: But I still think, however, you view him as a 183 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 1: regular or a semi regular or a bench guy, game 184 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 1: speed reps, game intensity reps are still going to help 185 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,520 Speaker 1: them even it's even going to make a better bench 186 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:22,480 Speaker 1: player down the road. 187 00:08:22,520 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I don't disagree with that. 188 00:08:24,440 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 1: That's the way I would. 189 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 5: They're trying to put the best twenty six players out 190 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:29,600 Speaker 5: there on the field every day, and I think that's 191 00:08:29,640 --> 00:08:32,080 Speaker 5: probably why they'll go with Rojas and Center. 192 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 4: Could be wrong, but you're and you may be right. 193 00:08:34,720 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 4: They made the backup correct. 194 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, let's talk more about that backup catcher spot. 195 00:08:41,240 --> 00:08:42,520 Speaker 2: I when I ask you guys a couple of bullpen 196 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:44,440 Speaker 2: questions right after these words. 197 00:08:44,440 --> 00:08:47,440 Speaker 4: Kratz, what time is it time to stop overpaying for 198 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,720 Speaker 4: wireless with these bogus fees in quote free perks that 199 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:52,439 Speaker 4: actually cost more in the long run. 200 00:08:52,960 --> 00:08:55,720 Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. 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He's batting three seventy five, two doubles, 220 00:09:55,960 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: ops over one thousand and three walks forced to recouts. 221 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 2: Marshawn batting two sixty one one one double, three RBI 222 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:04,239 Speaker 2: six fifty ops, three walks. 223 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:06,679 Speaker 3: Three strikeouts. I know, small sample size. 224 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:10,800 Speaker 2: For both, but is there anything that maybe Ruben, this 225 00:10:10,880 --> 00:10:13,520 Speaker 2: might be a question for you since you were in 226 00:10:13,559 --> 00:10:16,720 Speaker 2: that seat ten days before opening day. You have two 227 00:10:16,760 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 2: guys going right now, the guy with options has I 228 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:25,040 Speaker 2: guess you could say offensively outplay the other player. Is 229 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 2: there anything that he could do in the final eight 230 00:10:29,000 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: great for league games where you go you know what, 231 00:10:33,679 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 2: I know, Marshawan's out of options, but I just don't 232 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:39,640 Speaker 2: see how we cannot put this other guy on the team, 233 00:10:39,760 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 2: especially knowing his history, how valuable he is and how 234 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 2: valued he is in the clubhouse. Is there anything that 235 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: he could do in those final ten eight eight Great 236 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,160 Speaker 2: U League games to go? All right, We're going to 237 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:53,880 Speaker 2: figure out how we figure you know, we're going to 238 00:10:53,920 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 2: figure something out down the road if one of these 239 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: guys gets hurt and we lose Marshaan. 240 00:10:58,600 --> 00:11:00,559 Speaker 4: I don't think there is I really don't, and I 241 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 4: think he's in a really tough spot. 242 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:05,920 Speaker 5: It's unfortunate, But I mean, as someone who would be 243 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:09,520 Speaker 5: running the organization, I'd have to be selfish, and being 244 00:11:09,559 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 5: selfish is making sure I keep all those assets. 245 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 4: They don't really have anybody else that I think that 246 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 4: they feel comfortable with. Should they lose stubs, you know. 247 00:11:21,760 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 5: My feeling is, or should they lose Marshawn like to 248 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:27,400 Speaker 5: waivers or to the waiver wire. I just don't think 249 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 5: that they have anybody they feel comfortable with to be 250 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:32,080 Speaker 5: able to do that job. I know they picked up, 251 00:11:32,120 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 5: you know, some catchers and signed some catchers, made a 252 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 5: trade for one. I just don't think that either one 253 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 5: of them are to the point where they feel comfortable 254 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 5: with that guy having to catch perhaps sixty seventy eighty 255 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 5: games whatever, whether the case may be. 256 00:11:47,520 --> 00:11:49,400 Speaker 4: So in case. 257 00:11:49,200 --> 00:11:53,439 Speaker 5: People go down, and I think it's unfortunate. It's a 258 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 5: situation that's happened before. It happened with my buddy Gary Bennett. 259 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:58,320 Speaker 5: I think we've talked about it in the past. Gary 260 00:11:58,360 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 5: Bennett had a great year. Uh, when you're backing up 261 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:05,760 Speaker 5: Mike Liberthal, Tom Prince was signed to a multi year deal. 262 00:12:05,800 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 5: We had, he had, he had options. We had to 263 00:12:08,240 --> 00:12:10,720 Speaker 5: send it back. It was a very difficult thing to do, 264 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:12,640 Speaker 5: but we had to keep all our assets now. It 265 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 5: ended up that he end up being back in the 266 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,839 Speaker 5: big leagues at some point that year. But uh, it 267 00:12:16,920 --> 00:12:20,640 Speaker 5: wasn't fair. Game's not fair sometimes, man. But as far 268 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 5: as sometimes it's a business, and in this case, I 269 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:25,000 Speaker 5: think it's going to be a business unless something were 270 00:12:25,000 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 5: to happen to Marshawn along the way and they're not 271 00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:28,800 Speaker 5: gonna go with three catchers. 272 00:12:28,800 --> 00:12:29,800 Speaker 4: It's just not gonna happen. 273 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:32,000 Speaker 5: I don't think it gives him so less, so much 274 00:12:32,080 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 5: less flexibility, so that would be the only other way, and. 275 00:12:35,760 --> 00:12:36,559 Speaker 4: That's not gonna happen. 276 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:41,000 Speaker 1: Super tough call, I mean, ye stubs, stubs very popular 277 00:12:41,040 --> 00:12:44,280 Speaker 1: in that clubhouse. Uh. He's been a contributor to three 278 00:12:44,360 --> 00:12:48,920 Speaker 1: postseason teams. And you know, one of the things, you know, 279 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 1: on the list of things you want from your from 280 00:12:51,720 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: your backup catcher, you want a guy who's gonna add 281 00:12:55,720 --> 00:13:00,320 Speaker 1: to your chemistry, not be a troublemaker, but really somebody 282 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: who can handle the staff. And he's very one, very 283 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:08,079 Speaker 1: familiar with the staff. Staphf likes thrown to him. He 284 00:13:08,080 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 1: he's an outstanding game planner, he is. It's just a 285 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,360 Speaker 1: big part of that pitching unit. So, but depth is 286 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: really valuable. And if if you want to know how 287 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: valuable it is, if you know you're gonna break camp, 288 00:13:23,160 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: you're gonna break camp with two catchers, real Mudo and 289 00:13:25,360 --> 00:13:28,439 Speaker 1: somebody else. One of those guys gets dinged and has 290 00:13:28,480 --> 00:13:30,959 Speaker 1: to go on the i L for a couple of 291 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 1: weeks and you've you know, lost one of those guys. 292 00:13:34,840 --> 00:13:37,280 Speaker 1: Who are you gonna bring? Right? You know we're gonna bring. 293 00:13:37,440 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: So what do you think is gonna happen? Todd? 294 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:41,559 Speaker 2: I mean, I still think it's gonna be Marshan for 295 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 2: the same reason that both of you guys think it's 296 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 2: gonna be Marshaan. He just you got to plan for 297 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 2: the worst. You know, it would be what you don't 298 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: want to happen is three weeks into the season, JT 299 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:55,000 Speaker 2: gets banged up, or you know, Stubs gets banged up, 300 00:13:55,000 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 2: and now you're digging a little bit deeper into the 301 00:13:57,160 --> 00:14:00,720 Speaker 2: in the system and find yourself a little bit more shorthanded. 302 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: So I understand. I was just kind of more curious 303 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: because it is interesting that Stubbs has played pretty well 304 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:07,480 Speaker 2: this spring. He's kind of done what he's needed to 305 00:14:07,520 --> 00:14:09,720 Speaker 2: do so far, and he still might not It still 306 00:14:09,800 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 2: might not be enough. 307 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:11,800 Speaker 3: Matt. 308 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:14,160 Speaker 1: No, it's like somebody gets stinged up, and you know, 309 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: you said, if you keep Stubbs and somebody gets stinged 310 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: up in three weeks and you're like, okay, let's bring 311 00:14:20,880 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 1: march on. Oh we can't. We traded to the the 312 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: Marlins claimed him on waivers, or we traded him in 313 00:14:26,080 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 1: this you know. 314 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 5: It's I've actually I've actually lived this myself. I mean 315 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 5: I had a really good spring myself. On a personal 316 00:14:33,800 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 5: note in ninety four, I think it was I had 317 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 5: a terrific spring with the Cleveland Indians and we had 318 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 5: so many players I didn't have any options. 319 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,680 Speaker 4: They had to throw me through waivers very very late. 320 00:14:45,720 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: I got through and went to Charlotte. 321 00:14:47,200 --> 00:14:51,160 Speaker 5: But but they were really at some point, you know, 322 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 5: they decided to keep Manny Ramires on the team. 323 00:14:53,680 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 4: Imagine that. 324 00:14:55,680 --> 00:14:56,160 Speaker 3: And so. 325 00:14:57,720 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 5: You know, these are difficult calls, man, and there are 326 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 5: things that sometimes have to happen. But in this case, 327 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 5: you know, you got to keep all your assets, and 328 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 5: I think this is the only way they're. 329 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:09,880 Speaker 4: Going to be able to do that. 330 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 2: So Matt Strom yesterday threw from ninety feet. He's pain free. 331 00:15:15,760 --> 00:15:18,800 Speaker 2: He says, the inflammation's out of there. You know, again, 332 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,840 Speaker 2: ten days before opening day. Not sure what he's going 333 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: to throw from today, but likely he's going to open 334 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:28,520 Speaker 2: the season on the injury list, he said yesterday. He's like, 335 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 2: I think I'll be ready, but I got to listen 336 00:15:30,080 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 2: to what they want me to do. So there's really 337 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: only a handful of guys in camp that could maybe 338 00:15:34,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: fill his spot in the bullpen. I'm going to say 339 00:15:36,960 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: right now, Taiwan Walker is on this team. He's gonna 340 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: make the bullpen one way or the other. The guys 341 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: on the forty man roster still in camp competing for 342 00:15:46,360 --> 00:15:50,880 Speaker 2: a bullpen job would be Devin Sweet, Michael Mercado, Tyler Phillips, 343 00:15:50,920 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 2: and then Kyle Tyler. Kyle Tyler's a starter. He's thrown 344 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 2: the ball pretty well this spring. And I asked Rob 345 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:57,920 Speaker 2: Thompson after the game yesterday, I think he threw like 346 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: another scoreless inning. I said he came into camp as 347 00:16:00,840 --> 00:16:02,200 Speaker 2: a starter. He said he was gonna be a starter. 348 00:16:02,280 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 2: But he's still in camp. He's been throwing an inning 349 00:16:04,880 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: or two. He's like, He's like, is he could you 350 00:16:07,120 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: see him. 351 00:16:07,480 --> 00:16:07,840 Speaker 4: As a reliever? 352 00:16:07,920 --> 00:16:09,920 Speaker 3: Say, yeah, I would. I would throw him into the mix. 353 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 2: So I'm not saying he's gonna make the team as 354 00:16:12,240 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 2: a reliever, but he's in camp. He's pitching out of 355 00:16:15,160 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: the bullpen, he says. Rob Thompson says he could be 356 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:20,520 Speaker 2: a reliever. The not only non roster reliever in camp 357 00:16:20,600 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 2: right now is a Bill Chrismet, who has has a 358 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 2: lot of big league experience with the Padres this Springy's 359 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 2: six appearances two point three five ERA, seven and two 360 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 2: thirds innings pitched, two ear in runs, one walk, seven strikeouts. 361 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 2: Devin Sweet, who I mentioned earlier, got a little big 362 00:16:35,440 --> 00:16:38,720 Speaker 2: league time six innings pitch, three earned runs, three walks, 363 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 2: five strikeouts. You know, Michael Mercado had two good innings 364 00:16:41,800 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 2: yesterday in Sarasota, struggled early in camp, and then Tyler 365 00:16:44,680 --> 00:16:49,320 Speaker 2: Phillips's out of options has struggled. He's got seven walks 366 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:51,280 Speaker 2: and seven and two thirds innings a spring, given up 367 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:53,640 Speaker 2: eight runs. So I just wanted to throw those names 368 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 2: out there. He has have any thoughts on any of 369 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 2: those guys. You talk about preserving depth, piece pieces, but 370 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: Christmas throw on the ball really well, he's a non 371 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 2: roster guy. You have to bump somebody off. I imagine though, 372 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 2: that's a lot. That's a lot different than talking about 373 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 2: the number two catcher and losing a potential number two catcher. 374 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 5: Right, yeah, it is. I mean it is different. You know, 375 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 5: catch catching is one thing. Uh, and you have you 376 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,719 Speaker 5: start putting these guys sort of in a in a 377 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:24,199 Speaker 5: box and trying to figure out which guy is the 378 00:17:24,280 --> 00:17:27,439 Speaker 5: best guy. I think that there's enough depth overall that 379 00:17:27,520 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 5: they have with their overall pitching to be able to 380 00:17:30,840 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 5: get through this, okay, And you know that I think 381 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 5: the decision is sort of negligible because I don't think 382 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 5: that this player is gonna he's going to be pitching 383 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:42,359 Speaker 5: in like real big situations, and he's going to be 384 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 5: somebody that's going to create just a little bit more 385 00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:46,680 Speaker 5: depth in the bullpen. 386 00:17:47,560 --> 00:17:50,520 Speaker 4: You really can't play strong. He was just too darn good. 387 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:52,480 Speaker 5: He's not a guy that he's you know that that 388 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 5: that replacement is gonna have to be a guy like 389 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:57,120 Speaker 5: Alvarado who's gonna step into his sort of his role, 390 00:17:57,160 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 5: I would think with the way he's pitching. 391 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,359 Speaker 4: So, you know, my feeling is just like in. 392 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:08,359 Speaker 5: Most situations, when you're getting down to it, it's going 393 00:18:08,400 --> 00:18:12,160 Speaker 5: to be a you know, a decision that has made. 394 00:18:12,320 --> 00:18:16,480 Speaker 5: Once you find out late in this spring, you know 395 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 5: when the pitchers have a little bit of intensity and anxiety. 396 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,560 Speaker 4: Uh, you find out a lot. 397 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,479 Speaker 5: About those guys when they know that they're on the cusp, 398 00:18:25,920 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 5: when they know that they're on the bubble. To see 399 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 5: how they react when they pitch in the last two 400 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,800 Speaker 5: or three outings before they break camp, and that'll tell 401 00:18:34,840 --> 00:18:37,400 Speaker 5: you a lot about the guy's ability to be able 402 00:18:37,440 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 5: to step forward when he has to pitch in Citizens 403 00:18:41,280 --> 00:18:43,400 Speaker 5: Bank Park or in a major league ballpark. 404 00:18:43,920 --> 00:18:44,880 Speaker 4: And so my. 405 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,800 Speaker 5: Feeling is for these guys these last two or three 406 00:18:47,840 --> 00:18:50,880 Speaker 5: outings that they have are big for him. The Chris 407 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:54,199 Speaker 5: Mets of the world, the Tyler Phillips is the world, 408 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:58,600 Speaker 5: the Tylers of the world, They're all really important innings. 409 00:18:58,600 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 5: Devin Sweet and I think it's going to be down 410 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,959 Speaker 5: to at the end of the day, trust, does Caleb 411 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 5: Coffam and Rob Thompson trust these guys to be able 412 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 5: to throw strikes and get outs in the major leagues? 413 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 5: And which guy's going to do it the best. I 414 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:20,160 Speaker 5: know that Tyler Phillips hasn't had a great spring. At 415 00:19:20,200 --> 00:19:24,199 Speaker 5: times okay, other times not great. I know that the 416 00:19:24,280 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 5: way he competes Devin Sweet sometimes okay, sometimes not so okay? 417 00:19:29,480 --> 00:19:33,680 Speaker 5: Can he throw enough strikes great change up? Chris Matt's 418 00:19:33,680 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 5: been really really good, pretty consistent throughout the spring. I 419 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,640 Speaker 5: think it's going to be get down to the point where, Okay, 420 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,119 Speaker 5: can this guy really pitch when it's super tight and 421 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 5: when they know they have to make a decision on 422 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:50,920 Speaker 5: them here in their last couple of outings, it'll be inph. 423 00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 1: You have to factor in that whoever is the guy 424 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:59,040 Speaker 1: that gets that final bullpen spot is not gonna potentially 425 00:19:59,080 --> 00:20:01,879 Speaker 1: will not be here for long because Strom is going 426 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:06,359 Speaker 1: to come right back so if you put Chris mat 427 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 1: on the forty. Now, when Strom gets back, you got 428 00:20:11,080 --> 00:20:13,879 Speaker 1: to get him through to keep him in the organization. 429 00:20:14,320 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know if he has options or not. 430 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 5: Does Chris man have options? I'm not sure. That's something 431 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:22,800 Speaker 5: that you have to find out and somebody. So it 432 00:20:23,320 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 5: is a factor, There's no question. 433 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: I don't know where. Yeah, I don't know if he 434 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: has options or not. But I mean the fact that 435 00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:32,000 Speaker 1: that person might only be here a short time and then, 436 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: you know, whatever the roster machinations are, you could potentially 437 00:20:37,640 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: lose that depth depending on where they are with options 438 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:43,760 Speaker 1: and whatnot. I think you have to factor that and 439 00:20:43,960 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: that he's only going to be here a short time. 440 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:47,679 Speaker 1: You know, you hope, you hope Strom's back like that. 441 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 2: You know, guys, it's Monday, So it's time for Best 442 00:20:52,560 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 2: Week by Manco and Manco Baby Best of the Best, 443 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 2: Baby Best of the Best by Manco and Manco's where 444 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:08,320 Speaker 2: we pick our best Phillies player performance, play whatever we wanted, 445 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:11,920 Speaker 2: the best best corn, beef and Cabbage in Westchester Gym. 446 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:13,159 Speaker 2: If you want to give a shot out, if you 447 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:15,240 Speaker 2: have a name there, so let's start with you. 448 00:21:15,359 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 3: Jim let's start with you. Who do you get for 449 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 3: best of the week. 450 00:21:19,320 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 1: So I'm kinda, you know, not really, I'm coloring outside 451 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 1: the lines here. I'm not going to give you one guy. 452 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:31,200 Speaker 1: One thing that's really impressed me on this, you know, Manco, Manco. 453 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: Best of the best is the way this pitching staff 454 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: is throwing strikes. I mean, it's really impressive. Every time 455 00:21:38,720 --> 00:21:42,920 Speaker 1: I look at the box score, you know, all your 456 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,720 Speaker 1: main guys are pretty much throwing strikes. And I just 457 00:21:46,920 --> 00:21:49,359 Speaker 1: was gonna, you know, go over a couple of things here. 458 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: Christopher Sanchez eleven and two thirds innings, seventeen k's just 459 00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:04,439 Speaker 1: two walks. Jose Alvarado six innings, fifteen k's three walks. Okay, 460 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:07,040 Speaker 1: that's three walks. The rest of these guys have all 461 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: walked one batter Lozardo ten k's one walk, Wheeler nine 462 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:19,679 Speaker 1: k's one walk, Nola eight k's one walk, Romano seven 463 00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:24,960 Speaker 1: k's one walk, Kirkring six k's one walk, Taiwan Walker 464 00:22:25,080 --> 00:22:28,440 Speaker 1: nine of the third innings, five strikeouts, just five strikeouts, 465 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 1: but just one walk. Ranger Suarez four strikeouts, just one walk. 466 00:22:34,680 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I know these are not full workloads, full 467 00:22:38,040 --> 00:22:42,160 Speaker 1: spring workloads. But you know, two weeks before the home opener, 468 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:46,920 Speaker 1: less than two weeks before opening day. You know what's 469 00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 1: the expression. They're flooding the strike zone. 470 00:22:49,720 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 4: Oh, I like that. 471 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: That's my that's my like. I like my pizza flooded 472 00:22:55,000 --> 00:22:58,719 Speaker 1: with pepperoni, sausage and onion. That's my favorite combo. And 473 00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,480 Speaker 1: these guys are flooding the the strike zone. So that's 474 00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:03,240 Speaker 1: my Mankel and Manco best of the best. 475 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,960 Speaker 5: That's why you're one of the best. Gym great call. 476 00:23:07,359 --> 00:23:09,879 Speaker 5: I like that, call, Todd, what do you got? 477 00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 3: You know? 478 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:14,560 Speaker 2: So last week on Friday, we talked about Trey Turner 479 00:23:14,640 --> 00:23:19,880 Speaker 2: maybe turning things around. And you know Friday against I think, yeah, 480 00:23:19,920 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: it was against the Tigers, right, Rubin, you were here. 481 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,199 Speaker 2: Trey Turner strikes out on seven pitches to open the 482 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 2: game against Trek scoob but he filed off five pitches, 483 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 2: struck out swinging on the seventh pitch. Next at bat, 484 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:33,880 Speaker 2: hits an O one change up to right center field 485 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 2: for base hit. And then a fifth inning against schooble 486 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 2: hits a sacrifice fly to right center field and then 487 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,240 Speaker 2: he had another hit. Yesterday in Sarasota, had a walk. 488 00:23:42,880 --> 00:23:48,120 Speaker 2: So Trey Turner started Spring zero for fifteen, three walks, 489 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:52,440 Speaker 2: seven strikeouts, and then the last week or so, you know, 490 00:23:52,600 --> 00:23:55,879 Speaker 2: last week, I should say, four for nine, four walks, 491 00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: two sacriflies, one K and the last you know how 492 00:23:58,160 --> 00:23:58,840 Speaker 2: many games. 493 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:00,600 Speaker 3: So he's really kind of turn it on. 494 00:24:00,720 --> 00:24:02,480 Speaker 2: And I asked him yesterday or a couple of days 495 00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:05,359 Speaker 2: ago about it and about. 496 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:05,800 Speaker 3: The schoobl game. 497 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 2: After the School Schoobl game, I said, what do you 498 00:24:08,119 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: take out of these at bats? 499 00:24:09,000 --> 00:24:10,120 Speaker 3: You feel like you're kind of coming around? 500 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,000 Speaker 2: Because we were talking about it, he said, I feel 501 00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:13,680 Speaker 2: like in two weeks one of those pitches I filed 502 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 2: off in the first at battle hit hard somewhere he 503 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 2: striked me out. But I but I liked the first 504 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:20,520 Speaker 2: six pitches. The last one was up, but the battle 505 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:22,800 Speaker 2: was there. The approach is coming, It's getting there, and 506 00:24:22,840 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 2: I wanted to I thought this was kind of an 507 00:24:25,000 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 2: interesting thing. Kevin long I mentioned that Tray Turner told 508 00:24:29,280 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: him he's like, as long as I feel good with 509 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 2: three or four games ago, you know, I'm fine. And 510 00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: so I asked him about that. I said, how do 511 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: you you know? Is that is that true? He said, yeah, 512 00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:39,119 Speaker 2: I feel like there's a little bit of a false 513 00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,720 Speaker 2: flag when you start out the spring really hot, at 514 00:24:41,800 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: least for me, I feel like the pitching changes a 515 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,800 Speaker 2: little bit. Guys start to throw different pitches, you know, 516 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:49,199 Speaker 2: toward the end, start trying to do certain things. So 517 00:24:49,280 --> 00:24:51,679 Speaker 2: I feel like early on success for me isn't as 518 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,640 Speaker 2: much of a big deal at the end of the camp. 519 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 2: I'd rather be struggling early in camp than struggling at 520 00:24:56,640 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 2: the end of camp. So he says, right now, I 521 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:00,199 Speaker 2: kind of feel like I'm getting to where I need 522 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:00,399 Speaker 2: to be. 523 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:01,400 Speaker 3: So again, just. 524 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:05,200 Speaker 2: Small sample size, just one week. But Trey Turner I thought, 525 00:25:05,280 --> 00:25:06,960 Speaker 2: had a really good week. He looked a lot better 526 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 2: at the plate, and I think as the Phillies try 527 00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:10,960 Speaker 2: to figure out their lineup, I think it is going 528 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: to be Trey Turner and lead off spot. I don't 529 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: know why at this point you wouldn't, I think, give 530 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 2: it a shot. So it's encouraging to see Trey Turner 531 00:25:19,160 --> 00:25:22,959 Speaker 2: kind of show a little bit more offensively just spring training. 532 00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:25,160 Speaker 2: He doesn't care as batting averages, but just to see 533 00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,399 Speaker 2: him kind of turn things around a little bit going 534 00:25:27,400 --> 00:25:30,040 Speaker 2: into the final ten days before opening day is an 535 00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 2: encouraging sign. 536 00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:31,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, great call. 537 00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,240 Speaker 5: Todd and let me just add on to that, he 538 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,480 Speaker 5: played really well defensively, a couple of excellent plays to 539 00:25:37,520 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 5: his left Jimmy Rang's esque type plays where he went 540 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 5: to his left and spun and made a couple of 541 00:25:43,400 --> 00:25:47,080 Speaker 5: really good throws. Looks like he's securing the baseball well. 542 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 5: I mean he's again he's somewhat shaky at times defensively, 543 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,399 Speaker 5: but I think again for him, it's the work and 544 00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,119 Speaker 5: the confidence. 545 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 4: Even though he's been a veteran guy, I think. 546 00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 5: Confidence is a big thing for him, especially offensively, and 547 00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 5: I think that he seems to be turning the court. 548 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 5: Have been doing a lot of work with Bobby Dickerson 549 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,560 Speaker 5: on the backfields, uh, on the excuse me, on the 550 00:26:08,640 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 5: on the small field there, and on the half field, 551 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:14,679 Speaker 5: and and and and it's starting to pay off. It 552 00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 5: looks like he's uh looks more confident, looks more competent 553 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 5: and uh, I think that was part of this turnarout 554 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:25,280 Speaker 5: in his game as well. So pretty good call as 555 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 5: far as uh my call is. I love the way 556 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:31,320 Speaker 5: Alvarado's throwing the baseball right now. He's the best of 557 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,080 Speaker 5: the best, the Manco Manco Manco and Maco best of 558 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 5: the best for me, just with the way he's throwing 559 00:26:36,880 --> 00:26:39,399 Speaker 5: the baseball, and it's very timely. 560 00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:42,679 Speaker 4: With Strom having gone down and for him to be 561 00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,679 Speaker 4: able to step forward. I really believe that if he 562 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:47,960 Speaker 4: gains the confidence and continues with the. 563 00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 5: Confidence came into in the camp, you know, you can 564 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 5: I know they're trying to soft shoot a little bit. 565 00:26:53,480 --> 00:26:56,199 Speaker 4: He's really in good shape. He's different. I know they 566 00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:56,960 Speaker 4: say that he doesn't. 567 00:26:57,040 --> 00:26:59,680 Speaker 5: You know, his weight's not all that different, well and redistributed, 568 00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,439 Speaker 5: but there's no question in my mind that he is leaner, 569 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:05,000 Speaker 5: and he is stronger, and he looks much better. 570 00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,600 Speaker 4: And I think he's put the work in. I think 571 00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:10,840 Speaker 4: he's confident about his stuff. The ball is coming out 572 00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:12,280 Speaker 4: of his hand like lightning. 573 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 5: And not only that, but the most important part of it, 574 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 5: he is his command of the strike zone is really 575 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 5: very good. And if you know, it's no he's flipping 576 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,560 Speaker 5: in a little different breaking ball from time to time. 577 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,880 Speaker 4: But his breadan. 578 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 5: Butter is that sinker cutter combination, and he's throwing it 579 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:33,119 Speaker 5: at one hundred miles an hour and bringing it and 580 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 5: throwing strikes with it. He's been the best of the 581 00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:40,040 Speaker 5: best for me, and I hope he carries it into 582 00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:44,240 Speaker 5: the season, because that is a monster weapon out of 583 00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,800 Speaker 5: the bullpen with that kind of art. 584 00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 3: That's some good stuff, guys. And let's close on this. 585 00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,040 Speaker 2: I wrote a you know in spring training, Jim, you know, 586 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:54,199 Speaker 2: at the end of camp, you're kind of looking for 587 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:56,919 Speaker 2: story ideas. You feel like you've written everything like fifty times, 588 00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: and so that's when you. 589 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,359 Speaker 1: Write them all again. All the stuff he wrote in 590 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: the first week, you revisit. 591 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:05,800 Speaker 3: Exactly right, exactly right. And so yesterday I wrote a 592 00:28:05,800 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 3: little story at MLB dot com. I found this. 593 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 2: They tweeted out or put post on Instagram this graphic. 594 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 3: Before camp opened, they did these wind studies. 595 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,399 Speaker 2: Stat Caast can now measure the wind effect at ballparks, 596 00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:24,359 Speaker 2: and I thought it was interesting. Citizens Bank Park the 597 00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:28,080 Speaker 2: wind has prevented forty eight balls from leaving. 598 00:28:27,840 --> 00:28:29,440 Speaker 3: The yard over the last two years. 599 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: There's only three other parks in baseball that have lost 600 00:28:33,040 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 2: more home runs or prevented more home runs because of 601 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,919 Speaker 2: the wind. I think it was Kaufman Stadium, t Mobile 602 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 2: Park in Seattle, of course, Wrigley Field in Chicago. And 603 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,959 Speaker 2: I just thought it was interesting because you guys, remember 604 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,520 Speaker 2: this in two thousand and four. In those first several years, 605 00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:50,800 Speaker 2: like man, Citizens Bank Park got crushed for being such a. 606 00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:52,640 Speaker 3: Cheap park band box. 607 00:28:54,600 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: And turns out last few years at least it's actually 608 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:00,200 Speaker 2: killed a lot of home runs because of the and 609 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 2: so it's still kind of home run friendly. 610 00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,160 Speaker 3: I talked to Bryce Harper, brought it. 611 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 2: Bryce Harper has lost supposedly six home runs over the 612 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: last two years because of the wind. He goes, eh, 613 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,240 Speaker 2: six runs would be pretty good. Yeah, he had that 614 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: over average of his thirteen year contract. That's thirty nine 615 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,080 Speaker 2: lost home runs that would stay true. 616 00:29:19,160 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 3: So big difference. But what did you guys? What do 617 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 3: you guys think of that? Was that surprising to you? 618 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:24,600 Speaker 3: Is it? Do you care at all? I mean I 619 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 3: talked to some of the players. They're like, it's interesting. 620 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:29,640 Speaker 2: We do talk about the wind a lot, but we're 621 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 2: not also not obsessed about it. 622 00:29:30,920 --> 00:29:33,280 Speaker 3: But I did. Again, I think remember what John Smoltz 623 00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 3: said years. 624 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 2: Ago, David Wells, Jake p vy Leo, my own, all 625 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,720 Speaker 2: these guys kind of crushed it us in Bank Parking. 626 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:41,520 Speaker 3: Maybe it's not so bad. 627 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:46,400 Speaker 1: Well wind, as you know, Todd is my least favorite 628 00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 1: a lot, and it's. 629 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: Jim in the press box. Ruben Jim in the press box. 630 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,320 Speaker 3: He has everywhere. 631 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 4: He's got no organization. 632 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 3: He spreads everything out. Here's nothing, he has nothing, weighed 633 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:02,920 Speaker 3: down on loose papers. Everywhere wins. A stiff breeze comes 634 00:30:02,920 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 3: through that goes everywhere. Jim gets very angry. 635 00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 1: I guess Bryce Harper is probably his least favorite element. 636 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:11,479 Speaker 1: He's lost thirty nine home runs. 637 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: Well, he could potentially lose it over the thirteen years. 638 00:30:15,080 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: And then he hits three, didn't he hit three in 639 00:30:17,200 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: an ice storm last April? 640 00:30:19,600 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. 641 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,760 Speaker 1: How do you figure this stuff? You know, you gotta 642 00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:26,000 Speaker 1: you know, you gotta play in the elements. I mean, 643 00:30:26,000 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: obviously you can't play in a downpour they cover the field, 644 00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:33,960 Speaker 1: but sometimes you playing the cold sometimes you know, it's like, 645 00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:36,880 Speaker 1: you know, you just deal with it, and uh, you 646 00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,760 Speaker 1: know it does. Citizens Bank Park is kind of open, 647 00:30:39,880 --> 00:30:41,800 Speaker 1: so you can see where the wind would affect it. 648 00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: It's not like they get a lot of stuff out 649 00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:46,719 Speaker 1: in center field blocking the wind. Like I look at 650 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 1: City Field, you almost feel like you're in a like 651 00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: almost feel like you're in a dome without a roof. 652 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:56,600 Speaker 1: You know, there's these big sides to it. So it's 653 00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 1: something something to keep an eye on. But it is 654 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: interesting to hear that the park has denied some home 655 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,640 Speaker 1: runs when you frame it against some of the critiques 656 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,959 Speaker 1: against the park when it first opened. But you know, 657 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,720 Speaker 1: you had a lot of people cutting on the park 658 00:31:14,200 --> 00:31:17,200 Speaker 1: and saying you'll never build a pitching staff there. But 659 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 1: I think we park the park opened at four and 660 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: seven years later you built a one of the best 661 00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 1: pitching staffs ever. So you know what, you put the 662 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,440 Speaker 1: ball in good spots in the strike zone and change 663 00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: speeds and you pitch. You can you can you can 664 00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:38,600 Speaker 1: win in any park. But I mean I'm getting off 665 00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: not on the topic at hand, which is the wind. 666 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:46,320 Speaker 1: It's interesting and it also just tells you how sophisticated 667 00:31:48,280 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 1: stat keeping is these days. They can measure all that stuff. 668 00:31:53,600 --> 00:31:55,880 Speaker 5: I have to say this. I talked this up as 669 00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 5: you know, you can't don't worry about things you can't control, right, 670 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 5: I mean, you know, and I think the players have 671 00:32:01,920 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 5: taken the right attitude after having seen that article Todd. 672 00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 5: It just seems like the players are like, Okay, whatever, 673 00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 5: what are we going to do? And I think it 674 00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:13,880 Speaker 5: was a bit it was a big deal when we 675 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 5: first opened the ballpark. There's no question it was a 676 00:32:15,840 --> 00:32:19,040 Speaker 5: little short. We moved it back and it probably saved 677 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 5: I think we did a study. I think my man j. 678 00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,320 Speaker 5: McLaughlin helped me do a study about that. I think 679 00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 5: it saved us maybe thirty home runs during the course 680 00:32:28,840 --> 00:32:29,959 Speaker 5: of the five season. 681 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:32,280 Speaker 3: After the four. 682 00:32:32,200 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 5: Season opened opening up and that you know, had those 683 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:37,960 Speaker 5: flower bed home runs that were that probably a little cheap. 684 00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:39,680 Speaker 4: We moved it. We moved it back. 685 00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 5: Was it five or ten feet down the in the 686 00:32:43,200 --> 00:32:47,000 Speaker 5: left sea left side of the field of the outfield. 687 00:32:47,440 --> 00:32:51,480 Speaker 5: But I think that this is basically paying playing fair 688 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:53,400 Speaker 5: And I think, Jim, you make a great point, and 689 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,280 Speaker 5: to dovetail on onto some of the other topics we 690 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:56,960 Speaker 5: talked about. 691 00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,280 Speaker 4: The great thing about what Caleb Coffin. 692 00:33:00,200 --> 00:33:03,800 Speaker 5: Is brought to this organization for me is the combination 693 00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 5: of understanding pitching and being able to get guys mechanics 694 00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:11,920 Speaker 5: to the point where they're throwing consistent stripes and they're 695 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:17,120 Speaker 5: not so much caught up in velocity and spin rate. 696 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:21,200 Speaker 5: Those are important, but they don't put those first. What's 697 00:33:21,240 --> 00:33:24,479 Speaker 5: first is throwing strikes, and that's what you're seeing this spring, 698 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,560 Speaker 5: and that's what you've seen generally from this staff, and 699 00:33:28,600 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 5: that's why it's pretty darn good. There's their walk to 700 00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 5: strikeout rates are excellent. It's one of the why it's 701 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:38,480 Speaker 5: one of the better staffs in baseball. They will give 702 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 5: up some hits, there's no question about it. But I 703 00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:43,800 Speaker 5: think Caleb Coffin does a pretty darn good job. And 704 00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:47,400 Speaker 5: if you do that as a staff, the wind, the sun, 705 00:33:48,080 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 5: the rain, none of it matters because if you're getting 706 00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 5: out so you're getting soft contact, you're getting your job done. 707 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:57,040 Speaker 4: And I think Caleb's done in a really nice job 708 00:33:57,040 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 4: in that area. 709 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,760 Speaker 2: Jimmy, remember you talked about how sophisticated stat keeping is. 710 00:34:01,800 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 2: Do you remember this isn't really stack keeping, But do 711 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:07,280 Speaker 2: you remember in two thousand and four, I know you 712 00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,279 Speaker 2: remember this, but do you remember in two thousand and 713 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:13,319 Speaker 2: four when like Kevin Millwood was on home plate with 714 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,640 Speaker 2: a golf range finder. He was looking at the distances 715 00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 2: on the wall because he didn't believe him and they 716 00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,640 Speaker 2: were they were not labeled correctly. 717 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 3: They were they were moved over a few feet. 718 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:24,800 Speaker 2: And so Jim and I went up to Larry Shank, 719 00:34:24,840 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 2: the former VP of Media Relations Public. We went up 720 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,520 Speaker 2: to the baron and we said, we would like to 721 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,359 Speaker 2: measure the wall distances. Now that they because they changed them, 722 00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,359 Speaker 2: they moved them over and whatever they said, these are correct. 723 00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 3: These are correct. Said, well, let's just how about we 724 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:40,840 Speaker 3: just go out and measure. 725 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,279 Speaker 2: So Jim and I one day, real early we went 726 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:47,279 Speaker 2: out with Larry Shank Mike Baughculter, the groundskeeper at the time, 727 00:34:47,280 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 2: who was not happy with us, as I recall, and 728 00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 2: he took it. 729 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,320 Speaker 3: He took a tape measure at home plate. 730 00:34:53,880 --> 00:34:55,880 Speaker 2: And we would string it all the way down the 731 00:34:55,960 --> 00:34:59,040 Speaker 2: left field line and we went to every marking around 732 00:34:59,160 --> 00:34:59,680 Speaker 2: the field. 733 00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 3: They were correct, but that was a fun day. 734 00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 1: It was an interesting thing. 735 00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 4: I didn't like you guys very much. 736 00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:10,279 Speaker 3: Do you remember us doing that? 737 00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 4: I mean, I remember, Look, all times have changed. 738 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:22,200 Speaker 3: But think about you were doing your job. 739 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 4: You were doing your job, and that's you know, he 740 00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:25,320 Speaker 4: can't fault. 741 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 5: That doesn't mean I wasn't pissed off at you. 742 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:30,040 Speaker 1: You weren't the only one. 743 00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:32,240 Speaker 3: But that's right. I know, I know, I remember. 744 00:35:32,360 --> 00:35:34,960 Speaker 2: I remember the late great David Montgomery, the all time 745 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:35,919 Speaker 2: greatest people ever. 746 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 3: He was not really thrilled. 747 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 2: We speaking the ballcart, the ballpark and the distances and stuff. 748 00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,919 Speaker 2: But but the pitchers had made it such a huge thing, 749 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,800 Speaker 2: first that that first year, and then when they realized 750 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,560 Speaker 2: that the distances are on the wall were incorrect, you know, 751 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:54,640 Speaker 2: they they moved him over whatever, ten fifteen feet or whatever. 752 00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:56,960 Speaker 3: We said, let's just all right, and you said, you moved. 753 00:35:57,040 --> 00:35:59,080 Speaker 3: Let's just go on prove it, you know, and they 754 00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,640 Speaker 3: were correct. 755 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: It was a little like a brush fire in the 756 00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:09,040 Speaker 1: clubhouse because you know, they open the park, it's playing small, 757 00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:14,280 Speaker 1: and one pitcher starts complaining. Then the next picture starts complaining. 758 00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:16,680 Speaker 1: Before you know it, the whole staff is just the 759 00:36:16,719 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 1: whole club was pitching wise is complaining about the And 760 00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,840 Speaker 1: I remember writing a story about it, and I remember 761 00:36:25,120 --> 00:36:27,080 Speaker 1: talking to Ed Wade about it, and he was not 762 00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: particularly thrilled with that kind of questioning, but he had 763 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: a great quote. He said, you know, we only been 764 00:36:33,800 --> 00:36:36,480 Speaker 1: open two months. I think it's a little too early 765 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:44,000 Speaker 1: to declare Citizens Bank Park at the at the foothills 766 00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:49,799 Speaker 1: of the Rockies, you know, because I think I may 767 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,880 Speaker 1: have done some comparisons to Course Field. But you know, 768 00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:58,560 Speaker 1: in due time, like I mentioned, you pitch, you pitch good, 769 00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,560 Speaker 1: you like a you know, I still believe in keeping 770 00:37:01,600 --> 00:37:04,840 Speaker 1: the ball down, keep the ball down in good spots, 771 00:37:04,960 --> 00:37:06,520 Speaker 1: and then you know, ride it up top when you 772 00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,319 Speaker 1: have to. Like you pitch and you can, you can 773 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: win anywhere. And they prove have proven that over the years. 774 00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:17,040 Speaker 1: They've had some two really good pockets of winning here 775 00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,160 Speaker 1: and twenty twenty five should be another one with this 776 00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:21,040 Speaker 1: pitching staff. 777 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:24,160 Speaker 5: And it's because of their pitching, not necessarily the offensive 778 00:37:24,160 --> 00:37:24,920 Speaker 5: players that they have. 779 00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:27,560 Speaker 4: But I do believe that in my heart of hearts that. 780 00:37:28,400 --> 00:37:30,319 Speaker 5: You know, they put themselves in this position to have 781 00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 5: success and to be a World Series contender because of 782 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:33,440 Speaker 5: their pitching. 783 00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:39,200 Speaker 3: Mm hmm, well, ruben o moro. Enjoy your Saint Patrick's day. 784 00:37:39,239 --> 00:37:41,800 Speaker 3: I'll stay here, Jim, enjoy your corn, beef and cabbage. 785 00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:44,000 Speaker 2: Maybe send us a little food pick once you get 786 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: it going, send it to We want to see what 787 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:46,319 Speaker 2: it looks like. 788 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,600 Speaker 1: I'll definitely and then you know, I'll definitely, uh, maybe 789 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,520 Speaker 1: I'll make a sandwich tomorrow. Next time we do a podcast. 790 00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:56,520 Speaker 5: I need an honest assessment of your own uh you know, 791 00:37:56,600 --> 00:37:58,799 Speaker 5: of your own makings and doings. 792 00:37:59,320 --> 00:37:59,960 Speaker 1: I'll nail it. 793 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,200 Speaker 3: So we will be back later this week with more phillies. 794 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 3: Talk guys, so I'll talk to you later. 795 00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,040 Speaker 1: Smell your letter, boys, Samilli, you Jim. 796 00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,480 Speaker 2: The Philly Show is brought to you by the Foul 797 00:38:10,600 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 2: Territory Network. Subscribe to The Phillies Show on YouTube and 798 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,040 Speaker 2: wherever you get your podcasts. If you like us, give 799 00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:21,040 Speaker 2: us a review, Follow us on Instagram, TikTok x, Facebook, 800 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:24,800 Speaker 2: and threads. 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