WEBVTT - The Breakfast Club 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:03.880 Oh, Hi, Hi, everybody, it's us. It's us. We're just 0:00:03.960 --> 0:00:06.160 here to let you know that you will be listening 0:00:06.200 --> 0:00:09.200 to our Breakfast Club episode. Which you do know but 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.800 you may not know, is that this episode was recorded 0:00:12.280 --> 0:00:16.480 live last month in San Francisco. Ever heard of San Francisco? 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:20.560 I have. We were there for like a whole twelve hours. 0:00:20.960 --> 0:00:23.560 We were Yeah, we just wanted to say hello. We 0:00:23.600 --> 0:00:25.439 wanted to let you know if you live in the 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:29.040 Los Angeles area, we have a live crossover show coming 0:00:29.120 --> 0:00:32.960 up in March with The Daily Zeitgeist. That's right, It 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:39.360 is on March nine. It is at Dynasty Typewriter and 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:41.640 we will be there with Jack and Miles of The 0:00:41.720 --> 0:00:45.000 Daily Zeitgeist and we're going to be talking about the news, 0:00:45.280 --> 0:00:53.440 the trends, the movies, the moments of nine nine. Uh So, 0:00:53.479 --> 0:00:56.840 if you live in the area, definitely roll the fun through. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:01:00.600 We would love to meet you and hang. And you know, 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:02.320 we don't like to make it a habit to be 0:01:02.400 --> 0:01:06.480 on stage with men. But what do you think I 0:01:06.560 --> 0:01:09.360 was going to say, we just got friends. I thought 0:01:09.400 --> 0:01:12.400 you're just gonna say on stage in general, And I 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.520 was like, we we do live show that No, no, no, 0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:19.280 we don't like to be seen with men very often, 0:01:19.560 --> 0:01:21.800 but you know we're making an exception one night only 0:01:21.840 --> 0:01:23.680 and we'd love to see you there. Yes, so get 0:01:23.680 --> 0:01:26.520 tickets at becdelcast dot com and then click on live 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.800 appearances and we'll see you there. Enjoy the live show 0:01:30.840 --> 0:01:35.440 on the Breakfast Club. On the dol cast, the questions asked, 0:01:35.600 --> 0:01:39.080 movies have women in them? Are all their discussions just 0:01:39.160 --> 0:01:43.480 boyfriends and husbands? And do they have individualism? The patriarchy? 0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:47.960 Zef invest start changing it with the bel Cast? Hi, 0:01:49.320 --> 0:01:54.440 answer Scott, what's up? Are you in? All out? You 0:01:54.480 --> 0:01:59.160 said the name of the city and everything. Hi, I'm Caitlin, 0:01:59.440 --> 0:02:05.440 I'm Jane me and we're the Bechtel Cast. We are 0:02:05.480 --> 0:02:09.360 indeed in San Francisco. Uh, it is rainy, it is 0:02:09.480 --> 0:02:13.200 five pm. We are shocked and thrilled you're here. Thank 0:02:13.240 --> 0:02:16.960 you for being here. Clap if you've heard the Bechtel 0:02:17.040 --> 0:02:25.200 Cast before. Okay, and um not to put anyone on blast. 0:02:25.280 --> 0:02:28.280 There's no wrong answer, but obviously there is based on 0:02:28.360 --> 0:02:30.239 what you just heard. But clap if you if you 0:02:30.280 --> 0:02:34.399 haven't heard our show before, Okay, sick are you here 0:02:34.440 --> 0:02:39.799 with friends? Did friends drag you along? Yes? We'll put 0:02:39.840 --> 0:02:43.840 on the best possible. We'll do our people to our 0:02:43.919 --> 0:02:47.600 best as usual. That is all we can guarantee. So, 0:02:47.639 --> 0:02:50.880 if you haven't listened before, The Bechtel Cast is a 0:02:50.960 --> 0:02:55.240 podcast where Caitlin and I for five hundred years now 0:02:55.639 --> 0:03:00.160 have been analyzing the role and treatment of when men 0:03:00.160 --> 0:03:04.560 and female characters in famous movies. That's right. We use 0:03:04.680 --> 0:03:07.600 the Bechdel Test as a jumping off point. It's a 0:03:07.639 --> 0:03:11.960 media test that requires that two female identifying characters with 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:15.000 names speak to each other in the movie that they're 0:03:15.000 --> 0:03:18.120 in for at least a two line exchange, and they 0:03:18.120 --> 0:03:24.880 cannot talk about men. No, hard, hard. Yeah, let's see 0:03:24.880 --> 0:03:30.600 if we can do it. I know right now, Jamie Caitlin, 0:03:32.200 --> 0:03:37.720 that's it. We did it. Pretty fucking incredible what you 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:45.120 can do. So we're covering The Breakfast Club today. Uh, 0:03:45.240 --> 0:03:50.040 is there anyone who has not seen this movie? Round? Okay? 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:57.480 Someone is that writing front? Eager for knowledge? Um, we're 0:03:57.480 --> 0:04:00.880 talking about how The Breakfast Club kind of sounds like 0:04:00.960 --> 0:04:06.920 the Bechtel Cast, right, except we wouldn't let John Hughes 0:04:07.000 --> 0:04:13.440 anywhere near us. What is your history with the movie, Jamie, 0:04:13.840 --> 0:04:20.360 Um Judd Nelson made my mom really horny and that's 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.520 the most And now I saw this movie in high 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.719 school and I thought it was fine. I saw on college. 0:04:26.720 --> 0:04:28.720 I thought that was fine, and then I saw it 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.719 a few days ago, I thought it was fine. I 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.400 don't like I just I you know, I just John 0:04:34.480 --> 0:04:37.799 Hughes movies just don't do much for me, even if 0:04:37.839 --> 0:04:42.919 they're like not promoting rape, Like, it's just not He's 0:04:43.000 --> 0:04:46.640 just not my not except for uh, some parts of 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:51.400 Uncle Buck. Oh sure, I like transplants and automobiles. I 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:58.320 think that's my favorite. What is that about. It's well, 0:04:58.360 --> 0:05:01.720 it's uh Steve Martin and John Candy, So already I'm 0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:06.599 not passing the Beckel test. They hate each other, they 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.240 use a lot of modes of transportation. That's pretty much it. 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:15.200 That sounds pretty good. I would watch that. So it's 0:05:15.240 --> 0:05:16.640 just the two of us today. We don't have a 0:05:16.960 --> 0:05:20.000 it is. Oh, I forgot about my history with the movie. Yeah, 0:05:20.040 --> 0:05:24.200 we've never done this before our first first episode. My 0:05:24.279 --> 0:05:26.760 history with the movie is I saw it for the 0:05:26.760 --> 0:05:28.479 first time in high school. I think one of my 0:05:28.560 --> 0:05:36.000 like English teachers was like hate kids you. He encouraged 0:05:36.080 --> 0:05:39.160 us to watch the movie as like an assignment or 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.400 I don't know. There's something about like we watched it 0:05:41.440 --> 0:05:45.040 in school or something like that. Uh, and that teacher 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:50.200 was later fired. Um, not not for that. He was 0:05:50.240 --> 0:05:58.080 fired because it was discovered that he was an erotic dancer. Oh, which, look, 0:05:58.080 --> 0:05:59.720 he should have been fired as a teacher for that. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.000 Hold on, this story has taken a turn. I thought 0:06:03.040 --> 0:06:07.880 you were about to say how he's a molester. It's like, sure, 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:13.960 everyone not molester. Okay, see that was that was my track, coach. Uh, 0:06:14.960 --> 0:06:18.560 but that's that's not fair. That's tough there. This is 0:06:18.680 --> 0:06:21.280 kind of like a cool old person movie to show 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.840 young people. They're like, I get it. You want to 0:06:24.839 --> 0:06:30.040 see Amelia Estevis cry. I get it. Just like, yeah, sure, 0:06:30.400 --> 0:06:35.159 I guess. I guess he really leveled with me. Should 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:38.600 I do the recap? Yeah, let's do the recap. You know, 0:06:38.760 --> 0:06:42.080 people love a recap. And we don't have a guest, 0:06:42.120 --> 0:06:44.039 so that means I get to interrupt twice as much. 0:06:45.240 --> 0:06:50.760 Pretty cool, Pretty cool. The movie opens with glass shattering. No, 0:06:51.440 --> 0:06:55.640 it opens with a David Bowie quote, and then I'm sorry, 0:06:56.000 --> 0:06:58.640 you're like, okay, what decade are we in here? Is 0:06:58.640 --> 0:07:04.120 that like John Hughes or Charlie Brooker. Am I right? Um, 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:07.880 it's a black miryor joke. Uh, stop making fun of 0:07:08.120 --> 0:07:13.520 Charlie Brooker. Computers are actually bad, so yeah, technology actually 0:07:13.520 --> 0:07:18.720 a little scary. Are you a hacker? Though? Yeah? That 0:07:18.800 --> 0:07:24.400 show is Charlie Brooker or warning everyone about me? Speaking 0:07:24.440 --> 0:07:27.400 of hackers though, there is like in the beginning with 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.840 the montage of all the quick cuts of Like the School, 0:07:30.160 --> 0:07:33.440 it shows a classroom and one of the signs, there's 0:07:33.440 --> 0:07:35.520 like a sign hanging up in the classroom that says 0:07:35.800 --> 0:07:40.480 hackers will be expelled. Has anyone noticed that? Yeah? It's 0:07:40.560 --> 0:07:48.520 go back okay, opens we meet five students. They have 0:07:48.840 --> 0:07:52.840 detention for nine hours? Is that normal? Did anyone have 0:07:52.960 --> 0:07:56.600 anything like this at their school? There? You just have 0:07:56.720 --> 0:08:00.120 to spend a feature length amount of time with people. No, 0:08:00.320 --> 0:08:02.480 it's like Lord of the like all the Lord of 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:05.360 the Rings movies worth of time. Yeah. I feel like 0:08:05.360 --> 0:08:08.200 that's asking for someone to get beat up. Like, if 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:12.280 you leave five teenagers in a room together for nine hours, 0:08:12.280 --> 0:08:16.400 someone's going to get hurt. That's just how teens work. 0:08:16.840 --> 0:08:20.760 So the Fox students with me are Claire, the Princess, 0:08:21.320 --> 0:08:24.720 Molly Ringwald. She's like the rich popular girl type. We've 0:08:24.720 --> 0:08:28.880 got Andy Clark, the athlete, that's Amelia Estevez's character. Yeah, 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:33.199 he does cry, they all cry. I think Brian A. 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:38.200 K the brain name anagram am I right? Andy Michael 0:08:38.200 --> 0:08:41.280 Hall does not rape anyone in this John Hughes movie. 0:08:41.320 --> 0:08:47.120 So that's good. You get very different anthem. Actually you 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.920 kind of get the same character, but a rapist true wild. 0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:55.640 Alison Reynolds is the basket case. That's Ali. She'd use character. 0:08:56.000 --> 0:09:03.319 She's not like the other girls. True. And finally Benders 0:09:03.440 --> 0:09:07.160 the criminal um that's Jen Nelson's character. He's twenty six 0:09:07.280 --> 0:09:11.520 years old. He's in this movie kissing a sixteen year 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.520 old Molly Ringwald and just behind the scenes fact that 0:09:15.600 --> 0:09:19.520 I found freaky, like a lot of male actors choose 0:09:19.920 --> 0:09:22.319 because they won't get in trouble if they do. Jed 0:09:22.440 --> 0:09:24.400 Nelson was like, I think I'm gonna go method with 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.720 this and just bullied Molly Ringwald for the entirety of 0:09:27.720 --> 0:09:30.360 the movie. He's ten years older than her offset right 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.439 offset and and John Hughes at one point tried to 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:36.920 fire him, and then all the teens were like no. 0:09:38.200 --> 0:09:40.520 It was if I don't I can't make heads their 0:09:40.559 --> 0:09:43.440 tails of that, but it's true anytime a man things 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.840 going method, he just wants to yell at someone like. 0:09:45.880 --> 0:09:49.960 That's just literally what it is. Also, we talked in 0:09:50.000 --> 0:09:52.280 the car on the way up here that the members 0:09:52.280 --> 0:09:54.960 of the Breakfast Club are all also sort of the 0:09:55.000 --> 0:10:02.800 Spice Girls. Break this down. Okay, Sporty Spice obviously Amelio Estevez, 0:10:04.720 --> 0:10:09.640 Scary Spice is Jed Nelson. See this is see this 0:10:09.720 --> 0:10:12.079 is where we don't. Okay, all right, let me make 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:20.240 a case for this. Jesus Francisco. We thought that Posh 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.880 is Molly Ringwald. Can we agree with that baby we 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:31.080 said was Anthony Michael because he's innocent and blonde, a 0:10:31.200 --> 0:10:37.200 flesh colored headed hair person. I'm aware that would make 0:10:37.559 --> 0:10:41.480 Ginger Alie Sheet's character. And it's not a one to 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.520 one match, but we've got a solid three out of five. 0:10:45.280 --> 0:10:49.240 But then also Ginger is Molly like Molly Ringwald is 0:10:49.640 --> 0:10:53.280 Ginger e based on hair color alone. Sorry to reduce 0:10:54.120 --> 0:11:00.760 hair a hole here. Anyway, let's move on. We've got 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:05.800 Richard Vernon. He's the teacher, is the assistant character. He's 0:11:05.840 --> 0:11:09.040 the assistant principal who are in there often. I feel 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.480 like that's like a stock character of like the put 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:17.000 Upon assistant principle. Isn't Captain Underpants and assistant principle or 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:19.280 was he the principle. I think he was the assistant principal, 0:11:20.520 --> 0:11:26.040 just the scholarly observation. And he's like this disciplinarian. He's like, 0:11:26.080 --> 0:11:28.000 you guys can't talk, you can't move, blah blah blah, 0:11:28.240 --> 0:11:30.400 and I have to write an essay about who they 0:11:30.440 --> 0:11:33.160 think they are. Then Bender, he's like the tough guy. 0:11:33.520 --> 0:11:36.440 He's trying to get a rise out of everybody. He's like, 0:11:36.559 --> 0:11:39.240 you're a nerd and everyone's like, well, you're a jock. 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:42.240 And then they're all just hating each other each other 0:11:42.800 --> 0:11:48.959 labels because teens, but they mostly ignore the quote unquote 0:11:48.960 --> 0:11:52.880 basket case girl. And then she doesn't talk for most 0:11:52.880 --> 0:11:57.560 of the movie. Then we see a montage they're doing 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.480 their stuff, take out the dancing montage. Is this movies 0:12:00.520 --> 0:12:05.880 thirty five minutes long, a lot of dancing. A shot 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:10.160 where Anthony Michael Hall's character is like adjusting his crotch 0:12:10.240 --> 0:12:12.679 and then like puts his hat on his lap. Are 0:12:12.720 --> 0:12:18.800 we to believe that her I don't know. I don't 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:22.880 I hope not. It's hard to say, hard to say, 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:29.439 I don't know. I'm so sorry. We can't know. Okay, So, um, 0:12:29.520 --> 0:12:31.319 it's hard because there's like kind of not a plot, 0:12:31.440 --> 0:12:35.520 so I don't know how to recap this. They could 0:12:35.559 --> 0:12:39.679 only afford three rooms to shoot the movie in, so 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:43.439 they gotta emote in a lot of different good, fine spaces. 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:48.960 I don't know, they're just harassed like that for most 0:12:49.000 --> 0:12:54.640 of the movie. Affordable names. He launch it some point 0:12:55.080 --> 0:12:59.640 and then um, there's this conversation where Brian is like, 0:13:00.240 --> 0:13:02.439 I'm a virgin, but I'm embarrassed to admit it, and 0:13:02.480 --> 0:13:05.040 then Molly ring well it's like I think virgins are cool. 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:09.080 And then everyone's like oh, and everyone's like whoa, and 0:13:09.120 --> 0:13:13.600 then Jed Nelson's like, what are you guys talking about? Um? 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:15.640 You know, A lot of points are brought up. Yea, 0:13:17.000 --> 0:13:20.839 the Bender character reveals that he's being physically abused at 0:13:20.880 --> 0:13:24.239 home by his father. We learned different sort of backstories 0:13:24.240 --> 0:13:27.680 of each of the characters, like Ali Sheitt's character is 0:13:27.720 --> 0:13:31.800 ignored by her parents, which is why she's eating dog 0:13:31.880 --> 0:13:35.280 food or something like I saw too much of my 0:13:35.320 --> 0:13:37.959 solf and I sat too much of myself in her. 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:41.240 I was like Okay, so she's like a teenager, but 0:13:41.320 --> 0:13:43.520 she's She's like, but what do I do? She just 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:46.440 if she had access to Mike's Hard lemonade, she would 0:13:46.480 --> 0:13:49.320 be drinking Mike's Hard. She went, she yeah, I mean 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.520 she was saying she was drinking vodka. But she she 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:57.880 can't even get her hands on an MHL embarrassing, so 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.800 she eats pixie sticks on sandwiches instead. She's not like 0:14:01.840 --> 0:14:05.920 the other girls. Everyone. She needs you to know. And 0:14:05.960 --> 0:14:09.960 then there's a point where they go to Bender's locker 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:14.160 to get weed, and then they think and there is 0:14:14.760 --> 0:14:20.160 homophobic slurs written all over his locker, and then they 0:14:20.200 --> 0:14:23.320 think they're gonna get caught because they are running around 0:14:23.320 --> 0:14:26.040 the halls trying to dodge Vernon in a scene that 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:31.040 is not unlike Titanic where Jack and Rose are running 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:35.240 around the ship. And then they come Billy Zane. What 0:14:35.400 --> 0:14:38.960 Billy's Zane was in this movie too much? He was 0:14:39.000 --> 0:14:41.840 busy being in Back to the Future as one of 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:46.280 Biff's crony, playing a similar character to the Jen Nelson character. 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:50.000 As long as Zane's getting work, Yeah, anyway, I can 0:14:50.040 --> 0:14:54.200 sleep at night. So there's a gate and they can't 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:56.960 go any farther, just like Jack and Rose. So they 0:14:57.000 --> 0:14:58.720 have to turn around, they have to find another way. 0:14:58.760 --> 0:15:05.000 And then and then one of the drowns. No spoilers, 0:15:05.040 --> 0:15:08.560 we won't tell you which character it is, but in 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:13.000 the breakfast club, Bender is like, all sacrifice myself, so 0:15:13.040 --> 0:15:15.880 he goes running around all crazy in the halls and 0:15:15.920 --> 0:15:18.600 gets caught so that the others don't. Yeah, and then 0:15:18.640 --> 0:15:22.200 there's also the scene prior to that where the assistant 0:15:22.240 --> 0:15:28.040 principal verbally abuses Bender and like just it. That's like 0:15:28.080 --> 0:15:32.480 a tough scene to to unpack. But um, at the beginning, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.160 you're not sure why Benders being such a dick to everyone, 0:15:35.240 --> 0:15:37.240 But as as the movie goes on, you see you 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.920 start to understand why. So by the time he's flailing 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.560 around and got the weed, you're like, okay, this is 0:15:44.000 --> 0:15:48.880 this is like time with me, right yeah. Uh. And 0:15:48.880 --> 0:15:51.840 then shortly after that, whenever he gets caught by Vernon, 0:15:52.400 --> 0:15:54.800 he like locks Bender in a closet and then like 0:15:55.120 --> 0:15:57.520 tries to initiate a physical fight with him, and then 0:15:57.560 --> 0:16:00.880 we see like him kind of bender back down and 0:16:00.960 --> 0:16:04.080 not engage. Um, so maybe he's more sensitive than we 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.280 all think, or maybe his teachers trying to fight him 0:16:07.360 --> 0:16:12.480 like like an unhinged person, like, hey, everyone at this 0:16:12.640 --> 0:16:15.040 school likes me. No one will believe me if I 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:19.440 fight you. It's like, what are you talking about? Sicko? 0:16:20.560 --> 0:16:23.600 And then Bender escapes through like the air ducks and 0:16:23.640 --> 0:16:28.480 gets back into the library very mission impossible, true, and 0:16:28.520 --> 0:16:32.320 then he hides under a desk because Vernon comes in, 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:36.000 and that's when we get the famous and upsetting underwear 0:16:36.800 --> 0:16:41.480 crotch shot of character. We'll get there, don't you worry. 0:16:41.840 --> 0:16:45.480 There's and then they're all there. They smoke the weed. 0:16:45.760 --> 0:16:51.720 There's a million dance. You cannot have an eighties teen 0:16:51.840 --> 0:16:58.560 movie without Kevin Bacon or Amelia Estevez or someone just 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.520 dancing for like five minutes straight. Guys, remember when we 0:17:02.760 --> 0:17:06.000 was cool? Still? This movie brings you back to when 0:17:06.000 --> 0:17:09.880 we was cool, right, and not for Dad's trying to 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.680 tell you they get it. And then we get to 0:17:12.720 --> 0:17:16.480 the scene where they're all sitting around and they're talking 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:23.280 about sex. Ever heard of it? Who's horny? Who's not? 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:26.720 That's not how it goes. Um, they're like all virgins 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:30.840 basically pretty much. Bender's trying to like, he's like he 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:33.600 goes back to a berating Claire for a bit. They 0:17:33.640 --> 0:17:35.800 all talk about, Hey, are we going to be friends 0:17:35.840 --> 0:17:39.840 after this? And then Claire's like, I'm too popular, just 0:17:39.960 --> 0:17:44.639 a straight shooter. Yeah, And then um, Brian reveals that 0:17:44.680 --> 0:17:49.520 he is failing shop class. And then the reason he 0:17:49.560 --> 0:17:52.199 got detention is that he brought a gun to school 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:57.359 with the intention of committing suicide, but with a flair gun, 0:17:57.960 --> 0:18:00.480 which is played as a joke and it's I don't know, 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:04.400 we can talk about that later, but also, yeah, remember 0:18:04.440 --> 0:18:06.600 the days when you could bring a weapon to school 0:18:06.680 --> 0:18:13.399 and only get Saturday detention? Like what? Oh goodness? And 0:18:13.440 --> 0:18:17.840 then Allison's like, I didn't do anything to get detention. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:21.840 I just showed up. But first she says a lot 0:18:21.840 --> 0:18:26.199 of funked up stuff yes, um, and then yeah, and 0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:30.720 then her her secret, as it were, whatever is is 0:18:30.760 --> 0:18:34.959 that she is a compulsive liar. Right, and then they 0:18:35.080 --> 0:18:42.000 dance again, right, somehow they dance again because recycling shots 0:18:42.800 --> 0:18:46.879 earlier Justmelio Estevez dancing, and then they danced as a group. 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:52.800 That's the video that Alexandria Cacio Cortez was recreating when 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.639 she was a student at Boston University. Now is a 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:57.520 great time to bring up that I do have a 0:18:57.560 --> 0:19:01.879 master's degree in screen running from Boston University. Thank you. 0:19:02.160 --> 0:19:08.400 Why would you cheer for that? Unfortunately AOC and I 0:19:08.480 --> 0:19:15.639 did not overlap at our time at BU, but you know, 0:19:15.720 --> 0:19:23.200 be you represent. Okay, wow, I'm sorry, Jamie, I also 0:19:23.240 --> 0:19:29.119 went to college, Thank you so much. Yeah up, guys, 0:19:29.240 --> 0:19:33.560 it's a fucking scam. Yeah, no one learned. It's a 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:35.600 fucking scam. And we're all going to be in debt 0:19:35.720 --> 0:19:39.960 until we're dead. Please thank you our merch over there, 0:19:40.200 --> 0:19:44.120 because we are drowning in student learned debt. I took 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:47.200 a class on lost in college. I'm just like there 0:19:48.560 --> 0:19:50.160 and I'm never yeah, and I'm never going to own 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:56.560 a home. You know, it's just like sure worth it. Okay. 0:19:56.560 --> 0:19:59.760 So after the dance where they all dance, Claire gives 0:19:59.760 --> 0:20:04.520 out us in a makeover because women, right, right, we'll 0:20:04.520 --> 0:20:09.760 talk about that. And then Claire, for no reason, it seems, 0:20:10.000 --> 0:20:14.520 goes and kisses Bender on the collar bone. Yeah, I 0:20:14.520 --> 0:20:18.520 mean because after harassing her for nine consecutive hours, she's 0:20:18.600 --> 0:20:24.600 decided he's worn her down. You know, really uh, really 0:20:24.960 --> 0:20:29.480 really male writing going on there. And then Andy, who 0:20:29.600 --> 0:20:35.280 sees Allison, is like wow, you're pretty, you took your 0:20:35.280 --> 0:20:41.880 hoodie off. I love you. And then meanwhile, Brian, who 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.240 has no one to kiss it's forced to do everyone's 0:20:45.240 --> 0:20:50.439 home work, which honestly is a wild power move that 0:20:50.480 --> 0:20:53.560 I thought was a little funny because he because they 0:20:53.600 --> 0:20:56.240 were all like in that moment, I was like, bright, 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.199 you're seriously falling for this right now, Like he's just 0:20:59.280 --> 0:21:01.640 They're just like, Iran, you're the smartest side of all 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:03.320 of us. What do they know is what he wants 0:21:03.359 --> 0:21:07.199 to hear? And he's like yeah, so, and they're like, 0:21:07.280 --> 0:21:09.560 so we were thinking you would do. I'm like, this 0:21:09.640 --> 0:21:12.640 happens to like dorkey kids in school all the time. 0:21:12.640 --> 0:21:15.680 They don't fall for that ship. After a while, Brian's 0:21:15.720 --> 0:21:19.200 too old to be fallen for that trick. Grow up, Brian, 0:21:19.240 --> 0:21:23.120 don't write everyone's essay, but he does. And he's like, 0:21:23.359 --> 0:21:26.560 you see us, how you want to see us? Mr Vernon. 0:21:26.880 --> 0:21:31.600 He kind of goes edge lord on it. He's like, 0:21:31.640 --> 0:21:39.399 but we're all the criminal and princess and so teach gees. 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.080 Can you imagine like if you were a person doing 0:21:44.119 --> 0:21:45.960 their job as someone left you that letter, I would 0:21:46.040 --> 0:21:49.720 literally be like yeah, fine, and I would throw it 0:21:49.760 --> 0:22:01.480 away at me, I feel like, yeah, awesome. Uh and 0:22:01.520 --> 0:22:04.720 then and then they'll leave, and then there are two 0:22:05.200 --> 0:22:09.240 hetero kisses, and then all fingerless gloves pumps his fist 0:22:10.440 --> 0:22:15.040 and then we all get to go home. And that's 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:26.919 the movie. Is the movie. I had fun with this 0:22:27.080 --> 0:22:31.920 because I'm not particularly attached to the movie. Um and 0:22:32.160 --> 0:22:34.440 a lot of it I don't know. I mean, things 0:22:34.480 --> 0:22:38.280 I appreciate about this movie are that it is a 0:22:38.320 --> 0:22:41.040 movie that, even though it misfires in a lot of 0:22:41.040 --> 0:22:44.840 directions and and and when ways we'll talk about it, 0:22:45.080 --> 0:22:49.679 at least takes teenage characters seriously. And and for the 0:22:49.760 --> 0:22:54.119 most part we're seeing teenagers like acting out and and 0:22:54.680 --> 0:22:58.400 you know, often harassing each other and teasing each other. 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.879 But at very least you get background for everyone in 0:23:01.920 --> 0:23:05.199 some context. And unlike a lot of other teen movies, 0:23:05.280 --> 0:23:07.560 it doesn't go the direction of playing the adults in 0:23:07.600 --> 0:23:11.720 a totally comical way to were like often if it's 0:23:11.720 --> 0:23:15.640 like a movie directed or marketed at young people, it's 0:23:15.680 --> 0:23:17.800 like all the teens get it, and the adults are 0:23:17.920 --> 0:23:21.440 fucking idiots, and they are, but like you at least 0:23:21.480 --> 0:23:24.399 get background on them as well. And I don't know, 0:23:24.480 --> 0:23:27.879 everyone felt at least there was a tension given to 0:23:28.000 --> 0:23:32.280 every character, even if a lot of it was like no, 0:23:34.600 --> 0:23:37.920 So I appreciated that. Yeah, and I agree. I I 0:23:38.720 --> 0:23:41.680 don't have any special attachment to this movie either. Again, 0:23:41.720 --> 0:23:45.439 I'm not like a huge John Hughes fan, but I 0:23:45.480 --> 0:23:49.640 mean he was doing what no one was really doing 0:23:49.640 --> 0:23:51.520 at that time. And this is something that um Molly 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.600 Ringwald brings up in the piece that she wrote for 0:23:54.600 --> 0:23:58.919 The New Yorker where he kind of revolutionized stories for 0:23:59.240 --> 0:24:03.040 and about teenagers. So I understand why this is a 0:24:03.040 --> 0:24:07.080 beloved movie then and still now. And I think that 0:24:07.720 --> 0:24:10.280 one of the things that I think it does pretty well, 0:24:10.520 --> 0:24:12.560 and this is kind of mirroring what you were saying, Jamie, 0:24:12.560 --> 0:24:16.879 but it spends time and attention on each of the character. 0:24:17.000 --> 0:24:19.760 So you know, we talked about the female characters, and 0:24:19.840 --> 0:24:25.840 they are although I don't know about the character well, 0:24:25.880 --> 0:24:28.879 they're underrepresented in this movie in general, because you see 0:24:29.560 --> 0:24:33.200 the Breakfast Club is male character heavy, and then the 0:24:33.280 --> 0:24:36.359 other three adults, all three adult characters you see her men, 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.840 the assistant principal, Carl Cool Janitor, Carl shout out to 0:24:40.920 --> 0:24:47.160 my freaking boy, and then uh Amelio Estevez is wild 0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:51.600 and Dad who isn't? Who's Amelia Seves? Is real? Debt 0:24:51.640 --> 0:24:56.840 isn't some of fam Martin Martin Sheen missed opportunity? What 0:24:57.040 --> 0:25:03.800 someone is heckling Martin? What's up? President? Dude? Aaron Sorkin 0:25:03.920 --> 0:25:09.720 was canceled today, Pay attention there, come on there? Uh 0:25:09.760 --> 0:25:13.600 but Martin she Grayson and Frankie season five, Oh yeah, 0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:18.520 you might know him from Grayson Frankie. I love that show. Anyways, 0:25:18.680 --> 0:25:21.640 what were we talking about? Oh? Too many men? That's 0:25:21.640 --> 0:25:26.200 a note only, but yeah, I mean all three. I 0:25:26.480 --> 0:25:29.879 think it was like a misstep and to be generous 0:25:29.920 --> 0:25:33.359 with John Hughes, who does not have a good track record. Uh, 0:25:33.400 --> 0:25:38.600 and in a lot of respects, making every adult character presented, uh, 0:25:38.760 --> 0:25:43.440 male character is both weird and also not reflective of 0:25:43.520 --> 0:25:46.840 the education system. Like it just was like, I don't know, 0:25:46.880 --> 0:25:49.240 it just seems like a dumb missed opportunity. Yeah. We 0:25:49.320 --> 0:25:52.400 see Brian's mom very briefly, and I think I don't 0:25:52.440 --> 0:25:54.880 think we see any other parents, but she's like, study 0:25:55.080 --> 0:25:57.639 what we see. I mean, we see dad, Amelia's daddy. 0:25:57.800 --> 0:26:00.480 But in addition to that, on sports dad was yeah 0:26:00.680 --> 0:26:04.280 that's poor dad. Yeah, And I think with the Molly 0:26:04.359 --> 0:26:09.359 Ringwald character, like so much attention is focused on her um, 0:26:09.400 --> 0:26:13.119 which is good for our discussion. But with the basket 0:26:13.119 --> 0:26:17.840 Case Ali, sheitdy character. She doesn't even say words until 0:26:18.000 --> 0:26:20.800 like thirty three minutes into the movie or something like that, 0:26:21.119 --> 0:26:24.040 and then it's like acting vaguely Ferrell like it's it's 0:26:25.560 --> 0:26:29.960 her character is is confusing, and it's weird because it's 0:26:29.960 --> 0:26:32.480 like it comes out that she's a compulsive liar, which 0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:36.080 is played as a joke basically because they're like, oh, 0:26:36.119 --> 0:26:38.320 everything this, but like if you only have two female 0:26:38.400 --> 0:26:40.760 characters and at the end you're like, oh, this female 0:26:40.840 --> 0:26:43.640 character one of the two. Don't listen to a word 0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:46.840 she fucking says. Not a true word comes out of 0:26:46.840 --> 0:26:49.600 this lady's mouth like that that's not that she said 0:26:49.680 --> 0:26:51.960 much to begin with, because then she doesn't speak again 0:26:52.040 --> 0:26:55.320 until like I think it's fifty nine minutes into the movie. 0:26:55.640 --> 0:26:57.359 But the things she does say at the end are 0:26:57.560 --> 0:27:01.080 very dark, Like she says that she has sex with 0:27:01.119 --> 0:27:03.960 her therapists as an underage girl. Like she says some 0:27:04.119 --> 0:27:07.840 really dark stuff and and then to like say all 0:27:07.840 --> 0:27:09.919 that stuff and then just like, oh, I'm a compulsive 0:27:09.960 --> 0:27:13.400