WEBVTT - Questlove Supreme: The Family Stand (Part 1)

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<v Speaker 1>Quest Love Supreme. It's a production of iHeartRadio three.

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<v Speaker 2>So fat fact, ladies and gentlemen, Sometimes you just have

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<v Speaker 2>to go with the flow. Steve's looking Matt nervous right

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<v Speaker 2>now because we're not following the rules of the show

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<v Speaker 2>from an engineer standpoint. But I don't know. I just

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<v Speaker 2>felt the need. We don't have to do row call

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<v Speaker 2>every time, right. We don't know how, but I will

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<v Speaker 2>say yes. First start is if you're if you're tuning

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<v Speaker 2>in Leighton, this is a Quest Love Supreme on iHeartRadio.

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<v Speaker 2>And uh, we're we're still here with three Supremas because

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<v Speaker 2>I haven't locked and changed. See what I did there, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>Locked and change? Yes, Yes, Boss, Bill, Lion Sugar Steve

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<v Speaker 2>are with us.

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<v Speaker 3>Apparently unpaid.

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<v Speaker 2>Bill met a woman named Lady Sunshine, and uh he

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<v Speaker 2>left us a dear John note that said he ain't

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<v Speaker 2>never coming back. Fanticolo apparently is still smoking very strong

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<v Speaker 2>cigarettes and he said he'd be back for visitation Sundays

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<v Speaker 2>in a month. So what I will say is that

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<v Speaker 2>when time has passed and the smoke is cleared, I

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<v Speaker 2>really hope that the storytellers and the history makers and

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<v Speaker 2>the history tellers will be kind to our next guest,

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<v Speaker 2>whether as a collective or as individuals as an artist, producers, songwriters,

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<v Speaker 2>or just playing old session musicians or just three really

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<v Speaker 2>talented musicians.

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<v Speaker 3>Our guests today have made impact in.

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<v Speaker 2>History, and they march to the beat of their own drum,

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<v Speaker 2>their own weird drum, whether we know it or not.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'll be honest, I think Bill can agree with me, Boss,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill can agree that the gems of the Discovery for

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<v Speaker 2>this episode alone rates ten on the OH meter. Yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and we graciously thank them for doing us the honor

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<v Speaker 2>of celebrating with them thirty years of truth, weirdness, cleverly

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<v Speaker 2>hidden snark, Hellotle, Van of White, How you doing zero

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<v Speaker 2>compromises as far as I know, Ladies and gentlemen, please

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<v Speaker 2>welcome they want and only Peter Lord V, Jeffrey Smith

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<v Speaker 2>and Sancho Saint Victor a special tree for all you

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<v Speaker 2>music experts and nerds and connoisseurs out there, professionally known

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<v Speaker 2>as the Family stand.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, Now every intro has to be like that. Oh right, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I think a new I think a new standard has

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<v Speaker 2>been said. And I really had a good roll call,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know I had they had two of them.

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<v Speaker 2>One of them was going to steal steal one of them.

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<v Speaker 3>Now see I wasn't even going to do the obvious one.

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<v Speaker 2>I have to say that, Uh, this is this is

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<v Speaker 2>one that I didn't see coming. Really why I didn't

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<v Speaker 2>see coming? I just now I see it coming. I

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<v Speaker 2>appreciate it. You know, just when when your name period

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<v Speaker 2>on the wish list of oh family stand want to

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<v Speaker 2>do a question.

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<v Speaker 3>Of supreme, We're like, what are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm happy, Boss, Bill's happy, everyone's happy.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm not worried about the thing You're not worried about.

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<v Speaker 3>That's what's up. So has this always been this way

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<v Speaker 3>with you? Guys like you just pretty much? Yeah, no doubt,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll break out. Is that the bond that kept you together?

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<v Speaker 3>The music?

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<v Speaker 4>The music has always been the thing. I mean, we

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<v Speaker 4>we can hang out and have good fun and you

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<v Speaker 4>know we we we are compatible outside of music, but

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<v Speaker 4>the thing that always brings.

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<v Speaker 3>Us back is that music.

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<v Speaker 4>Because we are like I call them my musical soulmates,

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<v Speaker 4>and I mean that sincerely.

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<v Speaker 3>They literally are.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, I've never been connected to bonded with anyone

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<v Speaker 4>one of the way I am with Peter and Jeff

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<v Speaker 4>and I call them my powers, towers of powers, the talents.

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<v Speaker 4>When I'm between them, I'm the safest that I am

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<v Speaker 4>in the world.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, well here this is a tradition on question of

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme because any guest that comes on the show always

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<v Speaker 2>want to find out what brought them to where they

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<v Speaker 2>are now. And you know the first question I always have. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>there's three of you now, so this is going to

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<v Speaker 2>be an extra long episode, this might be this might

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<v Speaker 2>tie Jimmy Jams record.

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<v Speaker 4>Can I take my shoes off?

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<v Speaker 3>Six hours?

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<v Speaker 5>That's why we watch you their home because.

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<v Speaker 3>For radio.

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<v Speaker 4>Thank you, so thank you.

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<v Speaker 2>What what I'll do is, uh, I'll go from my

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<v Speaker 2>my right to left.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 2>My first question for you, Pete is uh first or

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<v Speaker 2>where were you born?

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<v Speaker 6>I was born in Brooklyn, New York. Really, I'm from Brooklyn. Okay,

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<v Speaker 6>same hospital as Michael Jordan's.

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<v Speaker 3>Open Atlantic. Okay, wait what hospitals there? What I think

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<v Speaker 3>it was Saint Joseph's or something.

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<v Speaker 7>Like that, Off Atlantic.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay. And Sandra, where were you?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>I know you were Big four?

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<v Speaker 8>Yeah yeah?

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<v Speaker 3>And all right, so you're the Big D and then

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<v Speaker 3>the church is the day the D.

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<v Speaker 4>That's another thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, so the big ride d Yeah, what I'm saying.

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<v Speaker 2>Hr.

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<v Speaker 3>This is XM radio or Triple X.

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<v Speaker 2>Uh V. Jeffrey.

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<v Speaker 7>I was born in Harlem. Harlem Hospital. Really yeah, the

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<v Speaker 7>old one. Okay, I'm a man of a certain age.

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<v Speaker 3>So the old one as opposed to yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>The one that's here, it was going on thirty one,

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<v Speaker 7>thirty fifth and Lenox. No it's not Lenox. I think

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<v Speaker 7>it's a little further overly. Okay, Yeah, it's the old one,

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<v Speaker 7>said a man of a certain a. So I don't

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<v Speaker 7>think people even know about that.

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<v Speaker 6>That one an older Okayla Harlem Hospital, like Frederick Douglas

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<v Speaker 6>was born there right same time.

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<v Speaker 8>Were there? We go?

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<v Speaker 2>So then so then I'll ask what year Sondra, Sondra,

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<v Speaker 2>what year did you come to.

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<v Speaker 3>New York City?

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<v Speaker 4>Nineteen eighty.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, yeah, visiting a few times or you you've just I.

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<v Speaker 4>Just rolled up and it was a crazy roll up,

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<v Speaker 4>but yeah, I rolled up in nineteen eighty two.

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<v Speaker 2>Really it was crazy, kind of opening to a song

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<v Speaker 2>that wasn't written yet, Welcome to the Jungle, like you

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<v Speaker 2>got off the bus.

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<v Speaker 4>It was freaking nuts, you know. It was a roy

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<v Speaker 4>Ors roll up so he's had us set up, and

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<v Speaker 4>it was there's a whole thing there, but yes, I

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<v Speaker 4>got it.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, we got time now. No, no, I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 3>to that.

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<v Speaker 2>So then I'm just my big My first four questions

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<v Speaker 2>are always just the basic foundations of who you are

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<v Speaker 2>as individuals before we get in the collective. All right,

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<v Speaker 2>so what is Peter? What is your first musical memory?

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<v Speaker 6>Very first musical memory? This is gonna give away age,

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<v Speaker 6>but this wasn't relate because we're we're already sure here here,

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<v Speaker 6>I'm mature, that's right. The first song I remember hearing

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<v Speaker 6>was hit the Road.

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<v Speaker 3>Jack, Okay, Jack?

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<v Speaker 4>And don't you come back.

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<v Speaker 3>What you say?

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<v Speaker 6>And that's my first musical memory, hit the Road Jack Okay.

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<v Speaker 6>And then I remember being my sister having a party

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<v Speaker 6>at around I think it was nineteen sixty eight or nine,

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<v Speaker 6>and she played that Sly album and my life was

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<v Speaker 6>never the same after that though I didn't realize it yet,

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<v Speaker 6>but the really reason I got into music industry was

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<v Speaker 6>was because of.

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<v Speaker 3>Satan. And that was because.

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<v Speaker 6>And I'll tell you I know a lot of us,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, people of certain He would like to say

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<v Speaker 6>that God, Jesus got into music, but Satan got me

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<v Speaker 6>in the music because the movie The Exorcists. And I

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<v Speaker 6>tell you why. Because the movie came out, I was

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<v Speaker 6>so afraid to go to sleep. I started playing the

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<v Speaker 6>radio every night, and agential, all right, yo, we went

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<v Speaker 6>tangential all right. So so I was so that every

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<v Speaker 6>shadow was like, you know, Linda Bleir, I turned the

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<v Speaker 6>head around. So I started playing the radio every wait.

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<v Speaker 6>In the one, I got this new song, I'm so

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<v Speaker 6>tired of being alone. I thought about that all myself.

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<v Speaker 6>That was out green, oh, you know, but then I

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<v Speaker 6>kept hearing Stevie and you know, these people are doing

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<v Speaker 6>the radio during and I'm like, oh, I think I

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<v Speaker 6>like music because I'm hearing songs in my head.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, i gotta say something.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think I've ever shared the story before, but uh,

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<v Speaker 2>now that would makes sense because when you think of

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<v Speaker 2>the Boogeyman or whatever, the first thing you want to

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<v Speaker 2>do is distract yourself from whatever you think is under

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<v Speaker 2>the bed or in the closet. So you put music

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<v Speaker 2>on to yea be an invisible roommate. Frank Zappa had

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<v Speaker 2>did a film, a short film with Bill Plimpton nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>seventy three whatever, and it came on Midnight Special. But

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<v Speaker 2>this thing, like he turned into a demon. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>if you know Frank Zappa's music, it's like, yeah, like

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<v Speaker 2>four fingers turned into seventy five billion fingers. And I

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<v Speaker 2>had nightmares of Frank Zappa forever. And so thus my

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<v Speaker 2>mom I totally forgot that's how music really. I had

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<v Speaker 2>her on twenty four to seven because I was scared

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<v Speaker 2>of Frank Zappa getting me.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that was connected.

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<v Speaker 8>Bro.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Sondra, what was your first musical memory, in addition

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<v Speaker 2>to the first music that you purchased or owned and

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<v Speaker 2>the moment that changed your life and brought you to music.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, well, so the first and the last question, I'm

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<v Speaker 4>probably about the same, and that's the first musical memory.

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<v Speaker 4>My parents and my aunts tell me about stuff that

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<v Speaker 4>I did when I was two, like playing the piano,

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<v Speaker 4>and they said I was fiddling around playing scale and

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<v Speaker 4>I figured out that the scale was joy to the world.

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<v Speaker 4>So they said, but dude, I was they said, I

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<v Speaker 4>was two. I'm okay, I don't remember this whether they

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<v Speaker 4>tell me said you were too, and you said, and

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<v Speaker 4>I said.

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<v Speaker 3>George to the world, the Lord It's come.

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<v Speaker 4>So it was George to the world. I don't recall that,

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<v Speaker 4>but my first musical memory is I was I had

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<v Speaker 4>chores and I had to clean dust the these these

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<v Speaker 4>coffin looking dazzled lamps and in the living room, and

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<v Speaker 4>uh as I was consoling myself while I was cleaning,

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<v Speaker 4>I started singing. And as I was singing, I said,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm a singer. I was like eight. I said I am.

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<v Speaker 4>I didn't say I don't want to. I didn't say

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<v Speaker 4>I want to sing. I said I am a singer.

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<v Speaker 4>And it's new from that and it's never changed from

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<v Speaker 4>that moment, never anything else. And uh so, yeah, that

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<v Speaker 4>was the first that's like the real solid memory. And

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<v Speaker 4>that also is the last question when that's the thing

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<v Speaker 4>that changed my life as far as it was no

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<v Speaker 4>question at that point who I was in my own

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<v Speaker 4>you know, and my own you know, skin, I knew

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<v Speaker 4>from that point I forgot your second question.

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<v Speaker 2>The first record you purchased.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, so yeah, the first thing I probably purchased was

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<v Speaker 4>Songs in the Key of Life or Larry Graham's Mirror.

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<v Speaker 4>That's the first thing I probably purchased. Yeah, yeah, because

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<v Speaker 4>I was young, but I had a little allowance and

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<v Speaker 4>and that was about that time, and those were the

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<v Speaker 4>first albums I had, songs of Kill Life and Mirror Mirror.

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<v Speaker 3>Jeff, what was your first musical memory?

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<v Speaker 7>Around my house? There was a lot of music because

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<v Speaker 7>my mother, she sang, and she used to have like

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<v Speaker 7>these parties. Well I don't want I don't know exactly

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<v Speaker 7>what to call them now because uh, you know, there

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<v Speaker 7>was a lot of stuff going on, and there was

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of stuff going on. Me my sister was

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<v Speaker 7>under a chair and watching them play music all night.

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<v Speaker 7>But at the same time, the music that we would

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<v Speaker 7>listen to was things like Brooke Benton and the first

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<v Speaker 7>thing that the song that I remember is Booker t

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<v Speaker 7>and the MG's what's the song that but green Onions?

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<v Speaker 3>Right until this day.

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<v Speaker 7>I say Stevie probably caught that with ground, because when

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<v Speaker 7>I first heard higher Ground, I said, Stevie, Stevie jack

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<v Speaker 7>that song, you know, I mean he added his little twist.

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<v Speaker 7>But that's probably the first memories. And also I was

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<v Speaker 7>made to love her. That was but the but the

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<v Speaker 7>music that really changed my life was music.

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<v Speaker 3>In my mind.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, there's another observation I'm making right now that's rare

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<v Speaker 2>for our guests. It sounds like that at a very

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<v Speaker 2>early age, music isn't an obstacle in your households. Usually

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<v Speaker 2>with our guest on the show, there's like Charlie Wilson,

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<v Speaker 2>like people have to sneak to listen to records, like

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<v Speaker 2>the only secular record they're allowed to listen to is

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<v Speaker 2>What's going On or that sort of thing. So you're saying,

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<v Speaker 2>even at an early age and discovering music, your parents

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<v Speaker 2>were more than Okay, well, what type of parents did

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<v Speaker 2>you guys have that were so open to.

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<v Speaker 6>Well, I had a parents, Well can you hear me? Well,

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<v Speaker 6>my mother was a nurse and my father was a Communist,

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<v Speaker 6>so that creates an artist. So he was always he

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<v Speaker 6>was open. He was open minded to begin with, a

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<v Speaker 6>little bit too open minded, but so and my oldest

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<v Speaker 6>sister was into music and my father's sang, so we weren't.

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<v Speaker 3>We weren't.

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<v Speaker 6>And I was baptized Catholic, so we weren't like a

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<v Speaker 6>religious Baptist. You know, music is evil type of fan,

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<v Speaker 6>you know, So you had our alternative semi altern different

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<v Speaker 6>for what Yes, black people at the time, absolutely because

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<v Speaker 6>my father, my father was actually he went to he

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<v Speaker 6>graduated from Harvard, He was a lawyer, he was a

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<v Speaker 6>columnist of major paper and a professor. But he was

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<v Speaker 6>seriously a communist and got caught up in the nineteen

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<v Speaker 6>fifties scandal. So his whole career end up being a

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<v Speaker 6>teacher in Jersey City. So my parents got divorced around

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<v Speaker 6>nineteen sixty three. It's when the violins come in and we'll.

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<v Speaker 3>Explain explained to me the repercussions of that.

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<v Speaker 2>If you if the the government was trying to vent

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<v Speaker 2>out who was a communist.

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<v Speaker 3>Based on so even though we had he was.

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<v Speaker 6>He had a Harvard law degree and was a doctor

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<v Speaker 6>philosophy and wrote books about history, the fact that he

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<v Speaker 6>was a kind of he got outed and was and

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<v Speaker 6>he was started to school in Aubany and was forced

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<v Speaker 6>to leave there.

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<v Speaker 7>And is your dad Paul.

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<v Speaker 6>No, you know, there's a picture of him, and there's

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<v Speaker 6>a picture of him and Paul Robinson and Joe Lewis

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<v Speaker 6>and this big you know party, uh, back in the

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<v Speaker 6>late forties.

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<v Speaker 3>He had me like late later in his life. I

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<v Speaker 3>member he believes that he was just anti capitalist.

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<v Speaker 6>Or he was he was an atheist and in fact,

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<v Speaker 6>but my mother wasn't even though she wasn't religious, but

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<v Speaker 6>she went just and my grandmother, Jamaican and very religious,

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<v Speaker 6>wanted to make sure I didn't say, yeah genius, yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 6>crazy crazy, so sore Gemini, I'm lea. Yeah he's a

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<v Speaker 6>Gemini because your album.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So so they were open minded in terms of terms

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<v Speaker 6>of in terms of that, in terms of music, so

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<v Speaker 6>they you know, they love music, and she actually wanted

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<v Speaker 6>me to. I think she wanted me to get a

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<v Speaker 6>music But my sister was actually went to music and

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<v Speaker 6>art and I didn't go. I went to Erasmus High

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<v Speaker 6>School in Brooklyn and oh, actually no, I didn't. I

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<v Speaker 6>was went to wal Women Junior High School in Brooklyn

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<v Speaker 6>and to make sure I'd have to fight the same

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<v Speaker 6>people I did and woll Women when I went to Erasmus,

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<v Speaker 6>I made sure I passed that test to go to

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<v Speaker 6>Stuyvesant High School.

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<v Speaker 3>So that's what isn't that tip story as well? That

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<v Speaker 3>sounds familiar, that's crazy. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 6>So yeah, so I ended up going, but I wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>in music. But music wasn't such a There wasn't a

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<v Speaker 6>block to music in my house in that so that

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<v Speaker 6>was fortunate.

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<v Speaker 2>So was there a uh, most the sort of hip

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<v Speaker 2>hop narrative is basically with gang activity in New York

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<v Speaker 2>in the seventies and sort of waiting out in the eighties.

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<v Speaker 2>But was that an everyday thing in your your teenhood?

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<v Speaker 2>We heard a lot in the West Coast, but you rarely.

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<v Speaker 3>Hear what the what the thing is? Uh this say?

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<v Speaker 6>I was a different type of kid, so so yeah, so.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know how you survived? Yeah? Navigated.

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<v Speaker 6>Actually I kind of ignored a lot of stuff and

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<v Speaker 6>not a conscious thing. I mean, I just wasn't into it,

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<v Speaker 6>you know what I mean. So I was I just

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<v Speaker 6>wasn't definitely into gangs of fighting and all that stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>The following you avoid it because normally they choose you.

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<v Speaker 6>I guess they thought I was so weird they didn't

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<v Speaker 6>know what to do with me. And I just didn't

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<v Speaker 6>you know, you know, the mirror route, you know what

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<v Speaker 6>I mean. I was just yeah, I was just just

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<v Speaker 6>so kind of out, you know, and that I had

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<v Speaker 6>like a weird kind of childhood like in Brooklyn, and

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<v Speaker 6>so there was a lot of fights and stuff, and

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<v Speaker 6>but I was as opposed to get into the fights.

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<v Speaker 3>I was.

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<v Speaker 6>I was kind of stupid kidding away because I was

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<v Speaker 6>scared of people I should have been scared of because

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<v Speaker 6>they had a bunch of brothers and I had no brothers.

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<v Speaker 3>But one day, one.

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<v Speaker 6>Day I found out later it was the biggest bully

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<v Speaker 6>in the neighborhood took my We used to play this

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<v Speaker 6>game people don't play anymore, called punch ball. It's kind

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<v Speaker 6>of like baseball, thought about punchball. So this guy, this

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<v Speaker 6>guy took my ball and I said, give me my boy.

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<v Speaker 6>He said no, And I punched him in the face.

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<v Speaker 6>And then anybody said, do you know he just punched you?

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<v Speaker 8>President?

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<v Speaker 3>I punched it in the face.

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<v Speaker 6>But but but then it was but then it was like,

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<v Speaker 6>do you know he just hit him? And then I

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<v Speaker 6>have to realize that who I hit? Then I was scared.

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<v Speaker 6>But then the guy became friends with me and looked

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<v Speaker 6>out for me. But he looked out for me for

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<v Speaker 6>a bunch of the other kids were really tougher than

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<v Speaker 6>even worse.

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<v Speaker 2>He was, so, well, I'm glad you had that, because

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<v Speaker 2>I I can't imagine a childhood growing up where you

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<v Speaker 2>don't have that one person that's like I'm gonna get

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<v Speaker 2>the fuck you up. Oh no, I mean yeah, I've

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<v Speaker 2>never had that.

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<v Speaker 3>So I just ran home with the quickness. So Sondra

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<v Speaker 3>in Dallas, Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>Ish, what was Dallas at the time in your childhood,

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<v Speaker 2>because I think of Austin as a blue city in

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<v Speaker 2>a red state, or at least they would like to

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<v Speaker 2>paint that or now it is sure, we don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know now, but Texas trying to go blue.

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<v Speaker 7>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>But but I'll say that the times that I've went there,

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<v Speaker 2>at least with my gracious hosts, the l Head Rappo

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<v Speaker 2>that me, yeah, oh my god, l Head Rapo. She

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<v Speaker 2>showed me signs of Dallas that I didn't even know exist.

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<v Speaker 2>And I've been there plenty of times, and I was like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>there are people like me down here. What was it

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<v Speaker 2>like for you growing down there?

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<v Speaker 4>It was it was it was like the two sides

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<v Speaker 4>of the tracks, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>And my dad who came from him and his brothers,

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<v Speaker 4>him and his brothers. I mean the first gun I

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<v Speaker 4>saw was my dad's. Okay. My dad was like a

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<v Speaker 4>pimp back in the day, right, And you know, I've

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<v Speaker 4>I stumped stumbled on those pictures. But so Dallas when

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<v Speaker 4>I was gonna was very divided. So he had he

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<v Speaker 4>had decided at some point that he was gonna, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>leave the gang life behind a little bit, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>at least at least on the front.

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to use.

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<v Speaker 4>You can't you can't. You can't trust because we're tells

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<v Speaker 4>my dadd didn't really leave that shit behind.

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<v Speaker 3>So what I'm telling you is.

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<v Speaker 4>What I'm telling you. So he kind of like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>so he we got great job. He you know, moved

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<v Speaker 4>up first black supervisor at the phone company, all kind

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<v Speaker 4>of crack. But but my like my mother's family lived

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<v Speaker 4>on the other side of the tracks. So when we

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<v Speaker 4>had to go visit them, we's, oh, snap, this is

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<v Speaker 4>the real.

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<v Speaker 3>Real, right.

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<v Speaker 4>So they lived in West Dallason, South Dallason, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>and the little trailers and like twelve people in one house.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, we went to vision visit our country cousins.

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<v Speaker 4>They didn't have shoes, so like, you know, we was like,

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<v Speaker 4>oh damn, we're middle class. I mean, I didn't know

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<v Speaker 4>the term for it then, but I now look back

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<v Speaker 4>on it. You know, I grew up middle class, well

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<v Speaker 4>you know, I would say lower to middle middle class,

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<v Speaker 4>in the upper middle middle class life. But dad, dad

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<v Speaker 4>Dad's Dad's dad's like, you know, sort of gangster side

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<v Speaker 4>never left. I mean, for example, I remember I was

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<v Speaker 4>with this dude.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, here we go.

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<v Speaker 4>Let me just tell us cute. I mean so and uh,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he wasn't treating me right, and he actually

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<v Speaker 4>like he actually slapped the ship on me one day

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<v Speaker 4>and I like.

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<v Speaker 3>And I was so stunned.

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<v Speaker 4>So I got on a flight. Now I was in

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<v Speaker 4>New York. So I got on a flight. I just

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<v Speaker 4>went back call my dad always picked me at the airport.

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<v Speaker 4>And he picked me up with airport and I was

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<v Speaker 4>just quiet, and he was like, what's wrong with you?

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like nothing, and he was quiet. It was forty

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<v Speaker 4>minute ride almost home.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, did he lay his hands on you?

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<v Speaker 4>He just guessed it. And I was like, son, So

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<v Speaker 4>so we got home. He was I never saw him

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<v Speaker 4>get that read. He was like, lights came. He was

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<v Speaker 4>like he got home. He picked up the phone. Oh

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<v Speaker 4>he called dude, he'd just say ship to me. He

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<v Speaker 4>just he just picked up the phone. He brought my

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<v Speaker 4>suitcases and picked up he said, he said, because the

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<v Speaker 4>name Clark said Clark, this is mister Matthews. He if

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<v Speaker 4>you ever lay your hands on my daughter again, New

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<v Speaker 4>York won't be big enough.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, I just want to know we ever

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<v Speaker 3>heard from Clark again? No, actually did not.

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<v Speaker 8>Know.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like, is he alive?

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<v Speaker 4>He could not answer that question. Honestly, I do not know.

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<v Speaker 3>I did not.

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<v Speaker 4>He shut him down, So I mean he's done that

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<v Speaker 4>kind of that's kind of thing he does. I mean,

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<v Speaker 4>you know, he got cute when he got older, when

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<v Speaker 4>he would just meet ladies. All my girlfriends who I introduced,

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<v Speaker 4>he would flirt with and tell them I'm not a

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<v Speaker 4>dirty old man. I'm just a sexist senior citizen.

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<v Speaker 3>Even now I'm making to use that line. Put that

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<v Speaker 3>one out.

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<v Speaker 4>That was my dad and his brother.

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<v Speaker 7>Did you learn how to handle the pistol?

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<v Speaker 8>Oh?

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<v Speaker 3>I did actually see from Texas?

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<v Speaker 2>I don't want to is that I don't want to

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<v Speaker 2>make any assumptions about Texas whatsoever. But can I assume

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<v Speaker 2>that that's is simples breathing air or water at least

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I would say.

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<v Speaker 4>I would say seventy percent. I'm not gonna say everybody,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what I mean because everybody most people don't

0:24:07.080 --> 0:24:09.439
<v Speaker 4>know how to don but knew how to shoot or

0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:13.760
<v Speaker 4>the parents definitely had guns. So you you you come

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<v Speaker 4>across it, you know what I mean. So I came

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<v Speaker 4>across the gun in my house. My dad used to

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<v Speaker 4>keep it on top of the refrigerator. I'm like, why

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<v Speaker 4>is it on top of the refrigerator.

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<v Speaker 3>The gun was.

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<v Speaker 4>When he saw me like find it, he was like, okay,

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<v Speaker 4>well you're gonna do the gun. You're gonna you know,

0:24:28.520 --> 0:24:29.199
<v Speaker 4>let me show you how.

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<v Speaker 2>So were you the only sibling?

0:24:30.920 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

0:24:31.119 --> 0:24:33.160
<v Speaker 4>No, I had three. We're all adopted by the way,

0:24:33.400 --> 0:24:37.560
<v Speaker 4>three siblings. Yeah you were chosen, Yeah, three chosen kids.

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<v Speaker 7>I almost shot my sister. Let me tell you what happened?

0:24:42.760 --> 0:24:45.639
<v Speaker 7>Were kids, right? And me and my sister were in

0:24:45.720 --> 0:24:52.360
<v Speaker 7>my my my stepdad. I mean, I wasn't like familiar

0:24:52.400 --> 0:24:54.880
<v Speaker 7>with my biological so my mother had me married, right,

0:24:55.560 --> 0:25:00.520
<v Speaker 7>Me and my sister was playing in her in their room,

0:25:00.640 --> 0:25:03.399
<v Speaker 7>and uh so we was reaching the you know, trying

0:25:03.440 --> 0:25:05.720
<v Speaker 7>to look for things, and we see this gun and

0:25:05.800 --> 0:25:08.240
<v Speaker 7>I think, and it's a toy gun. So I pointed

0:25:08.240 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 7>at my sister and klick and then I pointed at

0:25:12.520 --> 0:25:16.280
<v Speaker 7>the ceiling and it went off. They came in and

0:25:16.320 --> 0:25:18.720
<v Speaker 7>they said, I didn't know what was happening, and so

0:25:18.800 --> 0:25:21.000
<v Speaker 7>they was wondering if something had happened upstairs. I was

0:25:21.000 --> 0:25:24.600
<v Speaker 7>wondering why they were They were tripping, so I didn't

0:25:24.600 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 7>know it was a real gun, you know. I was like,

0:25:27.000 --> 0:25:29.359
<v Speaker 7>that's one of my earliest memories because I don't remember

0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.320
<v Speaker 7>much before I was nine.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, that's question of supreme lasion. Good night, Steven Silver.

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:44.040
<v Speaker 5>Now, yeah, nobody carrying, right? You got to ask now?

0:25:46.160 --> 0:25:46.560
<v Speaker 3>Scary?

0:25:47.080 --> 0:25:50.440
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, that's that's that's scary. I mean I remember, that's

0:25:50.560 --> 0:25:52.480
<v Speaker 7>like kind of a weird kind of thing.

0:25:52.600 --> 0:25:56.040
<v Speaker 5>It's a blessing, like you're blessed, like seriously want to

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:58.160
<v Speaker 5>win differently, Well, I.

0:25:58.080 --> 0:26:01.280
<v Speaker 7>Don't, you know, I don't believe in love or anything

0:26:01.359 --> 0:26:07.000
<v Speaker 7>like that, but that was a yeah, I mean, somebody's

0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 7>looking out.

0:26:16.280 --> 0:26:19.440
<v Speaker 2>Bring you guys to New York. Now, what year did

0:26:19.440 --> 0:26:22.960
<v Speaker 2>you guys meet? Not even as eighty six?

0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:27.320
<v Speaker 7>Okay, you're talking about all of us. Let me take

0:26:27.480 --> 0:26:28.640
<v Speaker 7>let me let me take this.

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:30.800
<v Speaker 4>I go ahead, break it down.

0:26:30.880 --> 0:26:35.480
<v Speaker 7>Peter and I met through a mutual friend, Will Downing. Yes,

0:26:36.160 --> 0:26:37.760
<v Speaker 7>me and Will Downing. We used to do a lot

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.880
<v Speaker 7>of work together. We were writing sessions all that stuff,

0:26:41.320 --> 0:26:43.800
<v Speaker 7>and you know, Will used to come over my house

0:26:43.880 --> 0:26:47.000
<v Speaker 7>and you know, we used to write, and so he

0:26:47.119 --> 0:26:49.840
<v Speaker 7>one day he told me that he knew that this

0:26:49.920 --> 0:26:52.600
<v Speaker 7>guy needed a flute player on a song that he

0:26:52.720 --> 0:26:56.080
<v Speaker 7>was writing. Right, and I never forget the song was

0:26:56.200 --> 0:26:58.040
<v Speaker 7>in the thick of it, right, that's the name of it.

0:26:58.119 --> 0:27:00.280
<v Speaker 7>I never forgot the name of that song. So he

0:27:00.400 --> 0:27:02.280
<v Speaker 7>let me hear the song. I said, man, I gotta,

0:27:02.520 --> 0:27:05.000
<v Speaker 7>I gotta meet this guy. So he said, I'll bring

0:27:05.040 --> 0:27:10.560
<v Speaker 7>him over. So, uh, Pete came over my house. You know,

0:27:10.720 --> 0:27:12.480
<v Speaker 7>I said, that's Pete.

0:27:14.160 --> 0:27:14.720
<v Speaker 8>He's weird.

0:27:15.560 --> 0:27:17.840
<v Speaker 7>He looked like he had this like Larry ninety six

0:27:17.880 --> 0:27:22.120
<v Speaker 7>to five. And I'm like, So we started working together.

0:27:22.560 --> 0:27:28.160
<v Speaker 7>And uh, at the time you were, you had a group.

0:27:28.200 --> 0:27:30.480
<v Speaker 7>You were with Renee and Angela and Angela.

0:27:30.200 --> 0:27:33.760
<v Speaker 2>Right, I can't wait for the stories. We're not We're

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.720
<v Speaker 2>not even going to get to the family stand yet,

0:27:36.480 --> 0:27:37.360
<v Speaker 2>collective experience.

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Oh she's shaking her head.

0:27:38.480 --> 0:27:44.800
<v Speaker 2>No, already, every Renee story. Yes, I'm ready for I'm

0:27:44.840 --> 0:27:46.639
<v Speaker 2>ready for the So.

0:27:48.160 --> 0:27:51.960
<v Speaker 7>It was Renee and Angela right, they were producing the Yes, yes,

0:27:52.000 --> 0:27:54.439
<v Speaker 7>So somehow I convinced p I said, Pete, man, you know,

0:27:54.480 --> 0:27:56.720
<v Speaker 7>we could do this ourselves because I was always into,

0:27:57.400 --> 0:28:00.280
<v Speaker 7>you know, having being in control of our music. So

0:28:00.440 --> 0:28:02.439
<v Speaker 7>you know, we started working together doing a lot of

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:06.960
<v Speaker 7>productions and stuff, and so we had a bunch of

0:28:07.000 --> 0:28:10.119
<v Speaker 7>singers coming and doing demos for us because at the

0:28:10.160 --> 0:28:14.040
<v Speaker 7>time we were doing stuff for Silver your Own, Marilyn

0:28:14.119 --> 0:28:17.680
<v Speaker 7>Bob and Mickey Howard. You know, we did Mickey Howard

0:28:17.880 --> 0:28:21.760
<v Speaker 7>all yeah, yeah, yeah, mac Man, we did. We did

0:28:22.119 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 7>productions on them, and we had different singers singing our demos.

0:28:26.920 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 7>So Lisa Fisher was one of the one of our singers. Now,

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:35.439
<v Speaker 7>I knew Lisa from I met Lisa in nineteen eighty

0:28:35.840 --> 0:28:37.919
<v Speaker 7>eighty three on a session that I was doing for

0:28:37.960 --> 0:28:42.040
<v Speaker 7>Billy Oshan, right, so she was in the studio, she

0:28:42.200 --> 0:28:53.000
<v Speaker 7>was in the Zach So you know, I met Lisa then,

0:28:53.120 --> 0:28:56.000
<v Speaker 7>So we kind of established a relationship over the years.

0:28:56.040 --> 0:28:59.240
<v Speaker 7>And then she she did some demos for us too.

0:28:59.880 --> 0:29:04.120
<v Speaker 7>And so did we get it offered a deal or

0:29:04.160 --> 0:29:05.480
<v Speaker 7>we just studied first.

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.840
<v Speaker 4>First, we met before you guys got the offer for

0:29:08.920 --> 0:29:12.240
<v Speaker 4>the producers deal because Lisa, Lisa had to go do Luther,

0:29:12.560 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 4>she had to go, right, and so then she she

0:29:15.640 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 4>pulled me in because I met Lisa when she was

0:29:17.240 --> 0:29:19.160
<v Speaker 4>doing the Crystals and I still lived in Texas and

0:29:19.200 --> 0:29:21.640
<v Speaker 4>I was doing Lazy Fair and so we hooked up

0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:25.560
<v Speaker 4>before I moved to New York and Doug Crystals. She

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.800
<v Speaker 4>was she was in the Crystals. Yeah, yeah, she was

0:29:29.840 --> 0:29:33.480
<v Speaker 4>doing the Crystals back in the day, traveling as not

0:29:33.560 --> 0:29:37.200
<v Speaker 4>as the original No, no, no, I know that's my era,

0:29:37.480 --> 0:29:41.000
<v Speaker 4>like yeah, no doubt. So there was like one original

0:29:41.160 --> 0:29:43.160
<v Speaker 4>Crystal and the other two and Lisa was one of

0:29:43.200 --> 0:29:43.680
<v Speaker 4>the other two.

0:29:44.040 --> 0:29:48.520
<v Speaker 5>Ship I did shows with Lisa when you were with

0:29:48.560 --> 0:29:49.760
<v Speaker 5>your dad, we didn't.

0:29:50.520 --> 0:29:53.480
<v Speaker 3>My dad was like a dup legend.

0:29:52.240 --> 0:29:58.200
<v Speaker 7>And so so anyway, yeah, we were using Lisa and

0:29:58.320 --> 0:30:01.480
<v Speaker 7>a bunch of other singers and we told Lisa that

0:30:02.520 --> 0:30:05.600
<v Speaker 7>we needed a singer and she said, oh, my girl,

0:30:06.200 --> 0:30:08.520
<v Speaker 7>Sandra lives in Dallas and I can hook you up

0:30:08.560 --> 0:30:08.800
<v Speaker 7>with them.

0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:08.960
<v Speaker 9>Man.

0:30:09.000 --> 0:30:10.960
<v Speaker 7>At the time, we were producing this group called the

0:30:11.000 --> 0:30:15.920
<v Speaker 7>mac dand who I think Babyface? They produced Roses are

0:30:15.960 --> 0:30:18.680
<v Speaker 7>Red right, So we were producing some songs on that record,

0:30:18.760 --> 0:30:20.800
<v Speaker 7>so we had to go to Dallas to produce them,

0:30:21.200 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 7>and that's where we hooked up with Sondras show and

0:30:26.080 --> 0:30:29.080
<v Speaker 7>I will never forget Lisa invited us to lose Evangels.

0:30:29.120 --> 0:30:34.400
<v Speaker 3>What year was this eighty eight eighty like eighty six.

0:30:34.640 --> 0:30:38.920
<v Speaker 7>Had been eighty six, eighty seven, eighty six because I

0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:39.960
<v Speaker 7>met Pete in eighty five.

0:30:40.080 --> 0:30:42.280
<v Speaker 3>Was there air conditioning on in the stadium?

0:30:42.440 --> 0:30:49.560
<v Speaker 8>When yes, yo, I'll forget, never forget.

0:30:50.760 --> 0:30:52.920
<v Speaker 3>She was shading. I was minding my own business.

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:55.720
<v Speaker 6>She you know, she she we said hello, and maybe

0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 6>because she was used to men melting over her as

0:30:58.280 --> 0:31:00.560
<v Speaker 6>rightfully so, but she just said he and I said

0:31:00.720 --> 0:31:02.600
<v Speaker 6>how you doing? And she thought I was being cold,

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.600
<v Speaker 6>But I think I just had some interigestion that day.

0:31:06.040 --> 0:31:09.840
<v Speaker 3>I like that story. I mean, my stum was hurting, like,

0:31:10.000 --> 0:31:12.520
<v Speaker 3>who do you think he is? I'm sorry to say,

0:31:15.080 --> 0:31:15.840
<v Speaker 3>it's good to see.

0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:22.720
<v Speaker 6>I'm six five.

0:31:23.120 --> 0:31:27.120
<v Speaker 2>She's giving you come on.

0:31:27.200 --> 0:31:30.000
<v Speaker 4>He looked down his nose at me. Jeff was like, hey,

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:33.960
<v Speaker 4>how you doing exactly? You know, he could like look

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:35.200
<v Speaker 4>at me, but not look.

0:31:35.800 --> 0:31:38.080
<v Speaker 3>I was looking at the rest of your baby going on.

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:43.040
<v Speaker 7>Shoes hr.

0:31:43.200 --> 0:31:49.080
<v Speaker 3>But it was the eighties that kind of Okay, this

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 3>is the thing.

0:31:49.600 --> 0:31:51.920
<v Speaker 2>I'm really excited that you guys are on the show

0:31:51.960 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 2>simply because the one story that I'm not story, but

0:31:56.200 --> 0:31:59.240
<v Speaker 2>just the one narrative that I never ever got to

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:01.840
<v Speaker 2>wrap my head aroun round was what was the environment

0:32:02.040 --> 0:32:10.040
<v Speaker 2>like for I guess the black musicians in trying to

0:32:10.120 --> 0:32:15.400
<v Speaker 2>navigate through the mid eighties, like the Marcus Miller's, the

0:32:15.600 --> 0:32:22.080
<v Speaker 2>Bernard Wrights, the Tawatha G's, Like what is the stratosphere

0:32:22.240 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 2>of you guys?

0:32:24.120 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 4>Well, see, you know all those people you mentioned so

0:32:25.720 --> 0:32:27.920
<v Speaker 4>but basically all those people came out of the session scene,

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:31.480
<v Speaker 4>right right, So so the session scene was thick. It's

0:32:31.520 --> 0:32:35.320
<v Speaker 4>not anymore, right, but back then you had your West

0:32:35.400 --> 0:32:37.760
<v Speaker 4>Coast session folks and you had your East coast session

0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:41.320
<v Speaker 4>folks and all the people you mentioned. Maybe Marcus was

0:32:41.360 --> 0:32:43.520
<v Speaker 4>more west but.

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:45.120
<v Speaker 3>Ended up going back.

0:32:45.200 --> 0:32:49.000
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but so so, I mean those people are mostly

0:32:49.120 --> 0:32:51.520
<v Speaker 4>East Coast people, and they came out of sessions, and

0:32:52.080 --> 0:32:56.000
<v Speaker 4>record labels were looking to like you know, put push

0:32:56.040 --> 0:32:58.640
<v Speaker 4>people to the front like Mt. May and Tawatha out

0:32:58.680 --> 0:33:03.280
<v Speaker 4>of into m two May from these from that session scene.

0:33:03.280 --> 0:33:05.680
<v Speaker 4>So that's why you got the McK murphy's and you know,

0:33:05.800 --> 0:33:08.480
<v Speaker 4>the Bernard Rights and those folks that came from that

0:33:08.560 --> 0:33:10.680
<v Speaker 4>scene and also Pete Jeff you know what I mean.

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:13.640
<v Speaker 4>They they were offered this producer's deal out of the

0:33:13.920 --> 0:33:15.440
<v Speaker 4>because they were doing all these sessions.

0:33:15.880 --> 0:33:19.600
<v Speaker 2>But was there a collective where like I mean, I'm

0:33:19.640 --> 0:33:22.440
<v Speaker 2>talking even deeper, like with Shaka's brother, like Mark Stevens,

0:33:22.480 --> 0:33:25.920
<v Speaker 2>and then like all these monsters, Lay White and all.

0:33:25.760 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 4>Those we used to hook each other up.

0:33:28.320 --> 0:33:28.480
<v Speaker 8>Man.

0:33:29.120 --> 0:33:32.440
<v Speaker 4>Definitely, there was a real camaraderie with folks. I mean,

0:33:32.520 --> 0:33:35.360
<v Speaker 4>like Lisa and Brenda White King put me on, you know,

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:37.680
<v Speaker 4>because Lisa knew before I moved, before I moved here,

0:33:37.960 --> 0:33:41.320
<v Speaker 4>and she usually Brenda and they all sort of took

0:33:41.320 --> 0:33:44.800
<v Speaker 4>me under their wing and they put you into the

0:33:44.840 --> 0:33:46.560
<v Speaker 4>situations you need to be put into.

0:33:46.760 --> 0:33:48.400
<v Speaker 3>So what was your apprentice situation?

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Like if you say that Lisa was a Luther disciple,

0:33:52.160 --> 0:33:53.720
<v Speaker 2>who was your apprentice situation?

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.240
<v Speaker 4>That would probably be Roy Yers then, because you know,

0:33:56.440 --> 0:33:58.320
<v Speaker 4>that was how I first got up there up here,

0:33:58.640 --> 0:34:02.520
<v Speaker 4>that's where I am I now New York. So yeah,

0:34:02.640 --> 0:34:03.240
<v Speaker 4>so it was Roy.

0:34:03.800 --> 0:34:05.440
<v Speaker 3>Started to tell me a little bit.

0:34:05.520 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I got a lot of Roy story.

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:08.719
<v Speaker 5>But you said something like when you came to New

0:34:08.800 --> 0:34:10.759
<v Speaker 5>York and you were with Roy, like that's when you

0:34:10.840 --> 0:34:11.800
<v Speaker 5>knew things were different.

0:34:11.800 --> 0:34:13.400
<v Speaker 4>Like the way you entered New York was different than

0:34:13.719 --> 0:34:27.280
<v Speaker 4>was wild as here. Okay, okay, yeah, it was definitely closed.

0:34:27.320 --> 0:34:31.480
<v Speaker 4>We have to keep closing. Darn I was trying to

0:34:31.520 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 4>let the girls free, or to.

0:34:36.040 --> 0:34:37.200
<v Speaker 3>Mean, moments which.

0:34:40.280 --> 0:34:46.480
<v Speaker 4>To me, songs come up right there.

0:34:46.680 --> 0:34:47.640
<v Speaker 3>Okay, so but.

0:34:50.600 --> 0:34:53.959
<v Speaker 4>So so Roy so Roy uh he I met him

0:34:54.440 --> 0:34:57.000
<v Speaker 4>in when I was in playing with a group of

0:34:57.120 --> 0:34:58.680
<v Speaker 4>Zachary bro I don't know if you know who he is,

0:34:58.719 --> 0:35:01.400
<v Speaker 4>and we had used his equipment, so we got He

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:04.759
<v Speaker 4>came to our show and stuff and after the show

0:35:05.560 --> 0:35:07.799
<v Speaker 4>he was like, I want you to come to New York.

0:35:07.840 --> 0:35:09.719
<v Speaker 4>You wanna be in my band? I was like, uh,

0:35:10.280 --> 0:35:13.080
<v Speaker 4>dirty old man. You know, that's kind of what I said,

0:35:13.560 --> 0:35:14.400
<v Speaker 4>That's kind of what I know.

0:35:14.520 --> 0:35:15.800
<v Speaker 3>I was like, I.

0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:20.560
<v Speaker 4>Was like, girl, yeah, but yeah, I thought he was,

0:35:21.080 --> 0:35:24.400
<v Speaker 4>you know, just you know, pushing up. Really. So I

0:35:24.440 --> 0:35:26.359
<v Speaker 4>went and told the band I'm like, Roy Ers asked

0:35:26.360 --> 0:35:28.279
<v Speaker 4>me to, you know, come to New York. They were like, yo,

0:35:28.440 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 4>let's go. And so I was like wait, I wasn't

0:35:31.320 --> 0:35:34.040
<v Speaker 4>really planning accepted. They were like, no, you got it.

0:35:34.080 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 4>This a So then I reached out to Roy and

0:35:36.719 --> 0:35:38.879
<v Speaker 4>I said, Roy, yeah, so the whole band was He says,

0:35:38.880 --> 0:35:46.719
<v Speaker 4>I don't need the whole band, so so wow, that's

0:35:46.760 --> 0:35:50.320
<v Speaker 4>gonna be I was like, that's gonna be awkward. Because

0:35:50.400 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 4>they got the band, they got the transportation to get

0:35:52.239 --> 0:36:02.280
<v Speaker 4>me here. So so right, that is all story. Oh

0:36:02.360 --> 0:36:06.000
<v Speaker 4>I got oh, okay, so so I went the whole

0:36:06.000 --> 0:36:07.920
<v Speaker 4>man decided to come, I said, but he said he

0:36:07.920 --> 0:36:09.759
<v Speaker 4>doesn't really need So we got there and he took

0:36:09.760 --> 0:36:14.759
<v Speaker 4>me and Zachary bro But when we got there, he

0:36:14.920 --> 0:36:17.319
<v Speaker 4>had set us up to stay at William Allen's house.

0:36:17.440 --> 0:36:20.799
<v Speaker 4>William Allen is an arranger, string arranger for all of

0:36:20.840 --> 0:36:24.600
<v Speaker 4>those beautiful ubiquity arranged songs. He did all those string arrangements.

0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 4>And we were staying I was no Zach and I

0:36:26.960 --> 0:36:30.400
<v Speaker 4>was staying at William Allen's apartment in Harlem. And it

0:36:30.440 --> 0:36:33.600
<v Speaker 4>was February twenty first, nineteen eighty two, and it was like,

0:36:33.840 --> 0:36:35.960
<v Speaker 4>you know, forty seven inches of snow on the ground,

0:36:36.800 --> 0:36:38.360
<v Speaker 4>and the cab like picked.

0:36:38.560 --> 0:36:40.320
<v Speaker 3>That a gift of yours to the recall dates.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:41.800
<v Speaker 4>I remember this definitely.

0:36:41.880 --> 0:36:43.000
<v Speaker 3>Oh, just this story.

0:36:43.040 --> 0:36:44.759
<v Speaker 4>I remember a lot of things like that that, Like

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:47.440
<v Speaker 4>you're like, well, things that terrify you. You have a

0:36:47.680 --> 0:36:52.120
<v Speaker 4>tendency to okay, yeah, because we we we passed. I mean,

0:36:52.200 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 4>I'm from Dallas. We have nice large streets and stop

0:36:56.120 --> 0:36:58.920
<v Speaker 4>signs and lights. Everybody fallows the rules. So we got here,

0:36:59.000 --> 0:37:01.359
<v Speaker 4>we passed by like blocks. I'm like, so I think

0:37:01.360 --> 0:37:03.560
<v Speaker 4>we passed it. I think it was back there. He

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:06.800
<v Speaker 4>just said, okay, put it in reverse and and just

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:10.240
<v Speaker 4>like bed backwards, you know, like two and a half

0:37:10.280 --> 0:37:13.759
<v Speaker 4>blocks in the snow, and you know, on a one

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 4>way street. And I was just scarceialless. And we got

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:21.839
<v Speaker 4>there and we stayed at Williams and and you know,

0:37:21.960 --> 0:37:23.839
<v Speaker 4>there was he didn't have a bed for us. He

0:37:23.840 --> 0:37:26.280
<v Speaker 4>could barely walk to his house because he was a hoarder.

0:37:28.880 --> 0:37:29.960
<v Speaker 3>He had no food.

0:37:30.120 --> 0:37:32.080
<v Speaker 4>And we were like, he said, whatever you find in

0:37:32.080 --> 0:37:33.680
<v Speaker 4>the pantry, open the pantry.

0:37:33.719 --> 0:37:43.640
<v Speaker 3>Roaches jumped out. It was like, this is mine. That

0:37:43.760 --> 0:37:44.279
<v Speaker 3>was like my.

0:37:44.320 --> 0:37:52.000
<v Speaker 4>Introduction to the off I imagine story back off. No,

0:37:52.080 --> 0:37:53.799
<v Speaker 4>I got a freaking story for right, but that's later.

0:38:00.680 --> 0:38:02.680
<v Speaker 4>That's a whole mother freaking roy story. He's crazy.

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:09.560
<v Speaker 7>You heard the story, go ahead and tell it.

0:38:12.200 --> 0:38:12.439
<v Speaker 3>Nuts.

0:38:12.520 --> 0:38:17.279
<v Speaker 4>But yeah, that was okay, right, that was just my

0:38:17.320 --> 0:38:18.560
<v Speaker 4>introduction to New York story.

0:38:18.600 --> 0:38:19.440
<v Speaker 3>That's all right.

0:38:19.680 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 2>So you I mean, this was obviously just a conversation

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:28.000
<v Speaker 2>between the three of you, and you're saying that you

0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 2>met at this.

0:38:29.360 --> 0:38:33.759
<v Speaker 7>Lutheran show, met Sondra and Pete met okay a few

0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:34.600
<v Speaker 7>years before that.

0:38:35.120 --> 0:38:37.640
<v Speaker 6>Well, we were going to try out different singers. But

0:38:38.280 --> 0:38:42.080
<v Speaker 6>I mean, I want to back a track actually because

0:38:42.080 --> 0:38:44.240
<v Speaker 6>you as the person was kind of really my mentor

0:38:44.239 --> 0:38:47.920
<v Speaker 6>in a way was Jeff because he didn't know that,

0:38:48.000 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 6>but he was kind of.

0:38:50.880 --> 0:38:54.600
<v Speaker 3>He's finding out right now. You know how many interviews.

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:58.040
<v Speaker 6>Have you he talked about. I think it's because like

0:38:58.120 --> 0:39:00.000
<v Speaker 6>I just come out of with the Howard University.

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.279
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, you know what the how Ward you know?

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:05.440
<v Speaker 6>And uh so I was there around the same time

0:39:05.520 --> 0:39:13.719
<v Speaker 6>as Wayne Lindsay and uh some other people and uh.

0:39:10.920 --> 0:39:17.160
<v Speaker 3>You graduated. I graduated in eighty two. Hudson. Yes, yes,

0:39:17.560 --> 0:39:19.680
<v Speaker 3>was he a teacher there as well? Was a teacher.

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.719
<v Speaker 6>He was a teacher there, Le Hudson. I think I

0:39:22.719 --> 0:39:25.600
<v Speaker 6>think that guy I think you're talking about. Yeah, I think, yeah,

0:39:25.600 --> 0:39:27.360
<v Speaker 6>I think it's if that's what you're talking about. But

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:30.000
<v Speaker 6>I wasn't even the jazz band, but i'd been, uh

0:39:30.520 --> 0:39:33.920
<v Speaker 6>have the Renee and Angela thing, right, I think right,

0:39:34.320 --> 0:39:37.640
<v Speaker 6>graduated or write something like that. I was working with

0:39:37.680 --> 0:39:39.640
<v Speaker 6>a friend who was it was the It was a

0:39:39.680 --> 0:39:41.480
<v Speaker 6>singer named Raymond Reader, a great singer.

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:44.719
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, I remember, right and right, yeah, and uh

0:39:44.920 --> 0:39:46.239
<v Speaker 7>he had a female to right.

0:39:46.280 --> 0:39:49.759
<v Speaker 6>They were going to turn this into another Shalomar. Okay, yeah,

0:39:49.800 --> 0:39:50.279
<v Speaker 6>so that's who.

0:39:50.280 --> 0:39:50.920
<v Speaker 2>That's who. That's who.

0:39:50.920 --> 0:39:54.120
<v Speaker 3>We're going to be another Shalomark. All right. As you

0:39:54.120 --> 0:39:55.319
<v Speaker 3>can see, they didn't quite work.

0:39:55.440 --> 0:40:00.560
<v Speaker 6>But uh, pope six y five popping really you know,

0:40:01.360 --> 0:40:04.719
<v Speaker 6>uh look like Pinocchio or whatever trying to pop block.

0:40:05.000 --> 0:40:07.799
<v Speaker 6>But anyway, so so I was in that bad but

0:40:07.800 --> 0:40:09.400
<v Speaker 6>that situation didn't work out. I won't get to the

0:40:09.440 --> 0:40:11.600
<v Speaker 6>gory details of it. But then they didn't work out,

0:40:11.640 --> 0:40:13.719
<v Speaker 6>and I went back to New York. But I wasn't

0:40:13.760 --> 0:40:16.400
<v Speaker 6>really necessarily in the New York scene like Jeff was.

0:40:16.760 --> 0:40:18.839
<v Speaker 6>You know, I would sometimes I would hang with Jeff

0:40:18.840 --> 0:40:20.160
<v Speaker 6>and he was he was working with Ashif and I

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:22.279
<v Speaker 6>went with him up there, and a lot of people

0:40:22.320 --> 0:40:25.879
<v Speaker 6>who were there were like, who's who's the guy over there?

0:40:25.920 --> 0:40:28.319
<v Speaker 6>You know, and he's a weird guy. Who's the weird guy?

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:30.120
<v Speaker 6>You know? Jeff said, no, he's cool.

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:30.880
<v Speaker 3>That was the question.

0:40:31.040 --> 0:40:36.560
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, they only let me up there once. But but

0:40:36.560 --> 0:40:38.200
<v Speaker 6>but I when I was up there once there was

0:40:38.239 --> 0:40:40.360
<v Speaker 6>a cause she had a whole bunch of songwriters and

0:40:40.400 --> 0:40:41.799
<v Speaker 6>they were like working and said, we can come up

0:40:41.800 --> 0:40:43.680
<v Speaker 6>with these ideas and they said you write songs, right,

0:40:43.719 --> 0:40:45.879
<v Speaker 6>I said, yeah, I know, I write a little bit,

0:40:46.280 --> 0:40:49.200
<v Speaker 6>so so right now and then were of the kind

0:40:49.200 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 6>of gym to the idea and I was like, oh yeah,

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:52.279
<v Speaker 6>I came. I started singing up and then they're like,

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.920
<v Speaker 6>that's all right, that's cool, and I left. I think

0:40:54.960 --> 0:40:56.840
<v Speaker 6>about maybe a year later I kind of heard what

0:40:56.880 --> 0:40:57.879
<v Speaker 6>I was singing that day.

0:40:58.120 --> 0:41:06.840
<v Speaker 10>But but but h so there was a like a

0:41:07.239 --> 0:41:09.040
<v Speaker 10>so I knew some of the people from Howard University,

0:41:09.040 --> 0:41:10.719
<v Speaker 10>but in terms of like the New York crew and

0:41:10.760 --> 0:41:12.600
<v Speaker 10>hanging all the sings and stuff, I didn't kind of

0:41:12.640 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 10>really know as much as Sondra and Jeff.

0:41:16.120 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 6>But as we got a chance we producing records, Like

0:41:18.280 --> 0:41:20.760
<v Speaker 6>Jeff was saying, we got do some stuff with Merlin

0:41:20.800 --> 0:41:22.319
<v Speaker 6>Bob and said we were on in Atlantic and they said,

0:41:22.360 --> 0:41:24.480
<v Speaker 6>I once you do, guys do a producer album. And

0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:27.239
<v Speaker 6>that's how it came about finding saying. But the thing is,

0:41:27.400 --> 0:41:29.919
<v Speaker 6>since I was the outsider and the and the most

0:41:29.920 --> 0:41:32.439
<v Speaker 6>fucked up one of the group, all right, they didn't

0:41:32.440 --> 0:41:34.759
<v Speaker 6>know people. You know, the interesting you're talking about that

0:41:34.880 --> 0:41:38.920
<v Speaker 6>times and how people related and because yeah, it was

0:41:38.920 --> 0:41:40.640
<v Speaker 6>a kind of a clique. I was never kind of

0:41:40.640 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 6>any any clicks and I'd be like, Jeff, can I

0:41:42.719 --> 0:41:43.319
<v Speaker 6>can I go with you?

0:41:43.400 --> 0:41:44.680
<v Speaker 3>Said, yeah, no, he's cool.

0:41:46.040 --> 0:41:46.239
<v Speaker 9>You know.

0:41:46.320 --> 0:41:49.400
<v Speaker 6>But but but it affected kind of our sound of

0:41:49.480 --> 0:41:53.439
<v Speaker 6>music because the eighties was a very unique time. I'm

0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.160
<v Speaker 6>a unique times, like the kind of bridge as you know,

0:41:56.280 --> 0:42:01.040
<v Speaker 6>between transition, transition and all and all I know is

0:42:01.080 --> 0:42:02.840
<v Speaker 6>whatever the funk was going on in the eighties for

0:42:02.920 --> 0:42:05.799
<v Speaker 6>me personally, I wasn't fucking digging and I hadn't really

0:42:05.800 --> 0:42:09.400
<v Speaker 6>but I hadn't really realized what that was yet. So

0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:11.920
<v Speaker 6>so there was these things were really great, but there

0:42:11.960 --> 0:42:13.600
<v Speaker 6>was a certain sound. So we started to make our

0:42:13.640 --> 0:42:16.440
<v Speaker 6>album Why Sandra fit in all these singers they were

0:42:16.560 --> 0:42:18.600
<v Speaker 6>like and came feel a little bit from the Kashif school.

0:42:18.640 --> 0:42:21.319
<v Speaker 6>He made some real dope records. It was like it

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:23.440
<v Speaker 6>was the type of singing back then with background singers,

0:42:23.719 --> 0:42:30.279
<v Speaker 6>love come down and all that kind of you. And

0:42:30.320 --> 0:42:31.439
<v Speaker 6>then well, this ship was tight.

0:42:31.560 --> 0:42:36.520
<v Speaker 2>This is my favorite episode, this, this is my dream.

0:42:36.920 --> 0:42:39.040
<v Speaker 2>It was like talking to three and mirrors all this

0:42:39.200 --> 0:42:41.480
<v Speaker 2>random information to say.

0:42:42.600 --> 0:42:46.280
<v Speaker 6>She was like, I know who but you know, but

0:42:46.280 --> 0:42:51.600
<v Speaker 6>but Sandra, when she said you're like she was a siren.

0:42:51.680 --> 0:42:54.319
<v Speaker 6>She was that fucking Tina Turner kind of like, my

0:42:54.360 --> 0:42:55.200
<v Speaker 6>shit is unbridled.

0:42:55.239 --> 0:42:57.680
<v Speaker 3>I'm trying to be he who who? But I wasn't

0:42:57.719 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 3>really into that. She didn't like the sene.

0:43:01.040 --> 0:43:02.920
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I didn't know what that thing was. We were

0:43:02.960 --> 0:43:04.439
<v Speaker 6>doing backfrons of the album and be like, you guys

0:43:04.480 --> 0:43:07.960
<v Speaker 6>not making it so clean. They'd be like, that was

0:43:08.320 --> 0:43:10.840
<v Speaker 6>that was? That was a Jackie Deson double take. For

0:43:10.840 --> 0:43:12.440
<v Speaker 6>those on radio who couldn't see what I just did,

0:43:14.000 --> 0:43:19.239
<v Speaker 6>it was Jackie Lison. But anyway, so uh so in

0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:22.719
<v Speaker 6>terms of Sondra just fit into an energy that that

0:43:22.800 --> 0:43:24.840
<v Speaker 6>we had and we knew naturally and we need and

0:43:24.840 --> 0:43:27.680
<v Speaker 6>even with our first album chapters, we had really locked

0:43:27.719 --> 0:43:31.360
<v Speaker 6>in quite do what that thing was. But all I

0:43:31.440 --> 0:43:33.680
<v Speaker 6>knew was I didn't want to hear the ship I

0:43:33.719 --> 0:43:34.320
<v Speaker 6>had been hearing.

0:43:34.600 --> 0:43:38.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, okay, okay, well let's get to that. I think.

0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:44.120
<v Speaker 2>We could safely assume that the most defined sound of

0:43:44.160 --> 0:43:47.920
<v Speaker 2>what the eighties was, at least for the beginning of

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:50.520
<v Speaker 2>the eighties to the mid eighties, I mean, was the

0:43:51.440 --> 0:43:57.520
<v Speaker 2>kind of sound that Prince crafted that there was Bookie

0:43:58.080 --> 0:44:00.480
<v Speaker 2>with with with the work that she did and everything

0:44:00.840 --> 0:44:06.160
<v Speaker 2>and in Brooklyn, uh he did big time with James uh.

0:44:05.760 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 3>Leroy Burges and I mean Leroy Burgess.

0:44:09.320 --> 0:44:09.600
<v Speaker 7>Uh.

0:44:09.840 --> 0:44:13.200
<v Speaker 3>Well, if you work with everyone, did you.

0:44:13.960 --> 0:44:17.560
<v Speaker 7>My life is a blurring terms of that. I mean, yeah,

0:44:17.600 --> 0:44:19.839
<v Speaker 7>I have worked with a lot of people. I mean

0:44:20.440 --> 0:44:22.839
<v Speaker 7>the eighties to me, I mean I thought, I think

0:44:22.880 --> 0:44:25.600
<v Speaker 7>the seventies to me was like the best time for music,

0:44:25.880 --> 0:44:30.280
<v Speaker 7>of course, but the eighties was transitional to me because

0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:33.040
<v Speaker 7>the sound just changing, and I thought people were just

0:44:33.080 --> 0:44:37.640
<v Speaker 7>trying to figure things out in terms of of the sound. Sonically,

0:44:37.760 --> 0:44:41.880
<v Speaker 7>everything kind of just sounded stiff and and and and

0:44:42.000 --> 0:44:45.000
<v Speaker 7>perfect and we just kind of had to go through that.

0:44:45.280 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 7>I mean, even today, as much as we can get

0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:53.800
<v Speaker 7>to anything that we want, sometimes sonically things just sound

0:44:53.880 --> 0:44:57.360
<v Speaker 7>kind of over quantized to me. Hell yeah, yeah, everything

0:44:57.520 --> 0:45:00.239
<v Speaker 7>just sounds kind of over quantized. And it's too It's

0:45:00.280 --> 0:45:02.480
<v Speaker 7>not bad, it's not good. It's not a bad thing

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:04.279
<v Speaker 7>or a good thing, but it's a thing.

0:45:04.440 --> 0:45:05.400
<v Speaker 3>So it's numbing.

0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:09.080
<v Speaker 7>Yeah, yeah, it's numbing, you know. Because the funny thing is,

0:45:09.400 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 7>I want to visit my son over the Christmas holidays,

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:15.080
<v Speaker 7>you know what I mean. I don't really celebrate Christmas,

0:45:15.080 --> 0:45:16.439
<v Speaker 7>but you know, I had to go see my son.

0:45:16.560 --> 0:45:19.160
<v Speaker 7>So he was taking me back to the airport, and

0:45:19.200 --> 0:45:24.160
<v Speaker 7>we were listening to all this music, right, and I'm

0:45:24.200 --> 0:45:27.920
<v Speaker 7>hearing one song and everything sounds perfect, everything, you know, harmonies,

0:45:28.560 --> 0:45:32.319
<v Speaker 7>big drums, everybody's into the loudness and the you know.

0:45:32.440 --> 0:45:35.960
<v Speaker 7>So this one song comes on by this girl I

0:45:36.000 --> 0:45:40.759
<v Speaker 7>forgot her name, but it sounded so soulful, harmonies. As

0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:43.800
<v Speaker 7>soon as the song finish, me and my son started

0:45:43.840 --> 0:45:46.560
<v Speaker 7>laughing at the same time. We started laughing at the

0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:49.440
<v Speaker 7>same Now, you know, he's my son, but he realized

0:45:49.480 --> 0:45:52.440
<v Speaker 7>that everything sounded the same, and there's always like just

0:45:52.560 --> 0:45:55.040
<v Speaker 7>kind of one song that will kind of stick out,

0:45:55.120 --> 0:45:59.400
<v Speaker 7>and you realize how fucked up things have kind of

0:45:59.400 --> 0:46:02.040
<v Speaker 7>gotten in every everybody's kind of just playing the you know,

0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.719
<v Speaker 7>I got to sound like the last thing, you know, So,

0:46:05.640 --> 0:46:07.759
<v Speaker 7>you know I was I making a point here.

0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:11.839
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, everything sounds the same. Well that's the thing though,

0:46:11.880 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 2>But in the eighties you have to choose a path.

0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:22.560
<v Speaker 2>And for sure, it's like there's Bookie, there's the Minneapolis

0:46:22.560 --> 0:46:26.640
<v Speaker 2>Prince sound, there's also hip hop. How are you guys

0:46:26.719 --> 0:46:30.239
<v Speaker 2>wrestling with what hip hop has becoming? The fact that

0:46:30.520 --> 0:46:33.759
<v Speaker 2>you're developing a craft. But yet were people that just

0:46:33.800 --> 0:46:34.279
<v Speaker 2>seemed to.

0:46:34.960 --> 0:46:38.640
<v Speaker 6>Well, I think what the what the key transition was

0:46:39.000 --> 0:46:43.200
<v Speaker 6>for us, and then how it leads musically is that

0:46:43.560 --> 0:46:47.080
<v Speaker 6>there was this link with sixties and seventies children music.

0:46:47.640 --> 0:46:50.239
<v Speaker 6>So but then the music got electronic and slick, but

0:46:50.880 --> 0:46:53.839
<v Speaker 6>what the bridge was was hip hop. So hip hop

0:46:53.960 --> 0:46:56.880
<v Speaker 6>was feeding off of that rawness from the James Brown,

0:46:56.960 --> 0:46:57.719
<v Speaker 6>the drums.

0:46:57.400 --> 0:47:00.000
<v Speaker 3>And all that kind of stuff. And in the late eighties,

0:47:00.400 --> 0:47:01.680
<v Speaker 3>in the late in the yeah.

0:47:01.520 --> 0:47:04.080
<v Speaker 2>It was yeah, in the mid eighty like have you

0:47:04.080 --> 0:47:07.919
<v Speaker 2>guys dealt with Larry Smith or I'm just throwing out

0:47:07.920 --> 0:47:08.959
<v Speaker 2>New York names, like.

0:47:09.440 --> 0:47:10.279
<v Speaker 7>I know him.

0:47:10.400 --> 0:47:12.600
<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, I don't know personally.

0:47:12.719 --> 0:47:14.879
<v Speaker 7>I don't know him personally, but I know of him.

0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:16.440
<v Speaker 7>I know of him. I know of him.

0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:19.440
<v Speaker 6>I think the thought was what I was getting to

0:47:19.600 --> 0:47:22.040
<v Speaker 6>is like we did a session, I went to it.

0:47:22.400 --> 0:47:24.960
<v Speaker 6>I was fine to Jeff carrying the Jeff's bags to

0:47:25.000 --> 0:47:27.919
<v Speaker 6>a session one day.

0:47:26.239 --> 0:47:26.319
<v Speaker 5>And.

0:47:28.280 --> 0:47:29.400
<v Speaker 6>It was and I would just, you know, a lot

0:47:29.400 --> 0:47:31.200
<v Speaker 6>of times I would just sit there and be quiet

0:47:31.239 --> 0:47:32.719
<v Speaker 6>and listen to people that they were doing a hip

0:47:32.719 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 6>hop record, hip hop record, and I was listening to

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.479
<v Speaker 6>and I was like, you know, at that particular time,

0:47:38.960 --> 0:47:43.000
<v Speaker 6>I hadn't really heard yet somebody being no sensibilities of

0:47:43.080 --> 0:47:46.200
<v Speaker 6>hit hip hop of the drums was happened underneath with

0:47:46.600 --> 0:47:50.719
<v Speaker 6>a melodic song kind of at that particular time. So

0:47:52.040 --> 0:47:55.040
<v Speaker 6>that concept of bringing that together, and plus there was

0:47:55.080 --> 0:47:57.520
<v Speaker 6>a there was starting to be on the East Coast,

0:47:57.560 --> 0:48:00.439
<v Speaker 6>certain rock records that I heard that I liked and

0:48:00.640 --> 0:48:05.080
<v Speaker 6>just and then listening to more like soulful stuff. And

0:48:05.239 --> 0:48:07.120
<v Speaker 6>since we were called the Standard, we're going to become

0:48:07.160 --> 0:48:09.520
<v Speaker 6>the family Standing change her name because Evon Jefferys and

0:48:09.520 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 6>the stand was too confusing.

0:48:11.239 --> 0:48:13.279
<v Speaker 3>Uh that story, we can get to it the latest time.

0:48:13.480 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but.

0:48:16.280 --> 0:48:19.359
<v Speaker 6>That's what led to Ghetto Heaven. That the idea of

0:48:19.800 --> 0:48:23.160
<v Speaker 6>let me sing a song over this within the context

0:48:23.200 --> 0:48:30.200
<v Speaker 6>of this hip hop, raw ish type of beat.

0:48:31.520 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 7>I'm gonna tell him how Ghetto Heaven came to be?

0:48:34.280 --> 0:48:35.520
<v Speaker 3>You know what is Ghetto Heaven?

0:48:35.560 --> 0:48:38.080
<v Speaker 2>Now that we're gonna break down the song before you

0:48:38.080 --> 0:48:40.600
<v Speaker 2>even get to how you guys got your group name.

0:48:40.680 --> 0:48:41.799
<v Speaker 3>But okay, let's go.

0:48:42.800 --> 0:48:44.359
<v Speaker 7>You want me to tell you how the song came

0:48:44.400 --> 0:48:50.200
<v Speaker 7>to be? You know salam REMI, yes, we do. He

0:48:50.360 --> 0:48:54.080
<v Speaker 7>was kind of the inspiration for that song because when

0:48:54.120 --> 0:48:58.080
<v Speaker 7>we were on our first album, you know, we did

0:48:58.120 --> 0:49:01.480
<v Speaker 7>the first album the record company. You know, we were

0:49:01.600 --> 0:49:04.080
<v Speaker 7>like that group that they didn't exactly know what to

0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.760
<v Speaker 7>do with us, so they kind of fucked us around.

0:49:07.800 --> 0:49:16.640
<v Speaker 7>And you know, so I said, I knew Sir Maryland,

0:49:16.680 --> 0:49:18.680
<v Speaker 7>Bob right elect.

0:49:19.640 --> 0:49:26.400
<v Speaker 3>It was Atlantic first. Yeah, I remember with Sylvia. Sylvia

0:49:27.520 --> 0:49:28.480
<v Speaker 3>they both went together.

0:49:28.560 --> 0:49:29.320
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I forgot.

0:49:29.360 --> 0:49:32.359
<v Speaker 7>I forgot they were getting us all, me and Pete

0:49:32.400 --> 0:49:37.040
<v Speaker 7>all the production work. You know. But anyway, after that

0:49:37.160 --> 0:49:42.319
<v Speaker 7>first album, I knew uh Salaam Remi's father because him

0:49:42.360 --> 0:49:45.360
<v Speaker 7>and I grew up together. We did the Chitlin circuit,

0:49:45.920 --> 0:49:48.640
<v Speaker 7>you know, we did a lot of sessions together. So

0:49:48.719 --> 0:49:51.120
<v Speaker 7>I said, Pete, we need to go talk to my

0:49:51.160 --> 0:49:55.520
<v Speaker 7>friend Van van Gibbs. Right. So Van was over there

0:49:55.560 --> 0:49:58.960
<v Speaker 7>on fifty fourth Street and eleventh Avenue. I said, I

0:49:59.000 --> 0:50:01.000
<v Speaker 7>set up a meeting him so we could kind of

0:50:01.040 --> 0:50:03.560
<v Speaker 7>talk because we were getting kind of frustrated with what

0:50:03.600 --> 0:50:08.240
<v Speaker 7>the record company was not doing for us. And uh,

0:50:08.320 --> 0:50:11.520
<v Speaker 7>we had a little talk and then we heard this

0:50:11.640 --> 0:50:14.759
<v Speaker 7>music coming and coming from the basements. I said, what's that?

0:50:15.520 --> 0:50:18.160
<v Speaker 7>He said, that's my son. His name is I knew

0:50:18.239 --> 0:50:21.040
<v Speaker 7>he that's my son, Salam. He's going to be a producer.

0:50:21.719 --> 0:50:23.000
<v Speaker 7>He said, you want to He said, you want to

0:50:23.040 --> 0:50:25.040
<v Speaker 7>go down and listen. So we went down and listened

0:50:25.040 --> 0:50:29.440
<v Speaker 7>to the music, and then listen to the music. He said.

0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:31.439
<v Speaker 7>He came home and listened to me. Say I got

0:50:31.440 --> 0:50:35.640
<v Speaker 7>an idea. He said, I got an idea. So after

0:50:35.680 --> 0:50:39.400
<v Speaker 7>we left Fans, we went straight back to Ebesfield and

0:50:39.440 --> 0:50:45.279
<v Speaker 7>worked on hither came up with a drum beat. Came

0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:48.160
<v Speaker 7>up with a drum beat. Now, if you remember the

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:53.480
<v Speaker 7>original version of red Frog, drummer came up with a bassline.

0:50:53.480 --> 0:50:54.840
<v Speaker 7>Good dogg, A dogg, A dudegg.

0:50:55.040 --> 0:50:57.360
<v Speaker 4>That's that came from because I was in love with

0:50:57.880 --> 0:51:00.440
<v Speaker 4>d And I said, yeah, I was a cool more

0:51:00.680 --> 0:51:02.919
<v Speaker 4>what's that? He had the wild wild West? The doom

0:51:03.239 --> 0:51:06.520
<v Speaker 4>boom boom. So then that's why I said, I didn't

0:51:06.520 --> 0:51:09.160
<v Speaker 4>even know you. Remember I said, like that.

0:51:09.160 --> 0:51:15.480
<v Speaker 3>Base each other right now, I didn't know that baseline.

0:51:16.040 --> 0:51:16.959
<v Speaker 3>So then you you changed.

0:51:16.960 --> 0:51:22.160
<v Speaker 4>You said boom boooom. So so he was like a

0:51:22.200 --> 0:51:25.319
<v Speaker 4>boom boom boom, Yeah, boom boom. I was, I love

0:51:25.360 --> 0:51:27.319
<v Speaker 4>that baseline. So then you like.

0:51:27.360 --> 0:51:30.359
<v Speaker 7>So to twisted little the record company heard it.

0:51:30.800 --> 0:51:32.520
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, but see here's the thing. Here's the thing. See

0:51:32.520 --> 0:51:35.080
<v Speaker 4>that this is the piece of the piece that I

0:51:35.120 --> 0:51:38.160
<v Speaker 4>always remember about the inspiration of Ghetto Heaven because the

0:51:38.200 --> 0:51:39.600
<v Speaker 4>salam thing was part of that.

0:51:39.719 --> 0:51:40.759
<v Speaker 3>But also the.

0:51:41.239 --> 0:51:43.400
<v Speaker 4>We had gone to the label, we had submitted the

0:51:43.400 --> 0:51:46.560
<v Speaker 4>whole record. We submitted the whole album, and they were like, yeah,

0:51:46.560 --> 0:51:48.080
<v Speaker 4>this is dope, it's dope. We didn't hear no singles.

0:51:48.480 --> 0:51:50.799
<v Speaker 11>Yeah yeah, So we were like son of them, and

0:51:50.840 --> 0:51:54.320
<v Speaker 11>so we were like so excited, excited about the album

0:51:54.320 --> 0:51:57.480
<v Speaker 11>and disappointed that they didn't hear you know, because we

0:51:57.560 --> 0:52:01.000
<v Speaker 11>felt like they were singles, you know, change, change, So

0:52:01.120 --> 0:52:03.359
<v Speaker 11>we were like, remember, I remember, you know.

0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:06.239
<v Speaker 4>Eventually getting back to the studio was like, you know,

0:52:06.360 --> 0:52:11.399
<v Speaker 4>it was just like they just want nursery rhymes. They

0:52:11.440 --> 0:52:16.120
<v Speaker 4>just want nurse rhymes. We were like, I love my baby. No, no,

0:52:18.040 --> 0:52:18.839
<v Speaker 4>I remember.

0:52:21.520 --> 0:52:23.000
<v Speaker 3>Rush Rush, Rush Rush was.

0:52:23.080 --> 0:52:26.399
<v Speaker 2>There time out was Rush Rush the last song done

0:52:26.520 --> 0:52:30.759
<v Speaker 2>for a spell Bound the first I was the same

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:32.200
<v Speaker 2>formula exactly.

0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:34.680
<v Speaker 4>No, No, it wasn't.

0:52:34.800 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 3>Well, well you want to hear a rush Rush story.

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:38.920
<v Speaker 3>I asked you that.

0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:41.479
<v Speaker 4>I said, you can't, you can't play you can't write

0:52:41.480 --> 0:52:42.560
<v Speaker 4>a song with just two chords.

0:52:42.680 --> 0:52:45.800
<v Speaker 6>No, no, no, that wasn't it. That was what was

0:52:46.040 --> 0:52:53.360
<v Speaker 6>that was was no at the time. What happened happened

0:52:53.360 --> 0:52:56.160
<v Speaker 6>was usually what happens is. You know, at the time,

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:58.840
<v Speaker 6>Babyface was writing a lot of songs. We would go

0:52:58.880 --> 0:53:01.120
<v Speaker 6>back and baby Faces a great song. Right of course

0:53:01.120 --> 0:53:02.719
<v Speaker 6>I loved him, but I but I would say to her,

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.440
<v Speaker 6>I can write those songs in my sleep.

0:53:07.640 --> 0:53:10.240
<v Speaker 2>So did you purposely use the d X seven patch

0:53:10.560 --> 0:53:12.960
<v Speaker 2>just as a point of sarcasm.

0:53:13.080 --> 0:53:13.880
<v Speaker 3>No, it wasn't.

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:18.000
<v Speaker 6>The sarcasm was I literally said, because I knew what

0:53:18.040 --> 0:53:19.879
<v Speaker 6>his thing was. The thing was there was the way

0:53:19.920 --> 0:53:22.800
<v Speaker 6>he hit the beat. So I was like, I jokingly

0:53:22.840 --> 0:53:26.320
<v Speaker 6>went to the piano and I said, yoo is a

0:53:26.560 --> 0:53:32.640
<v Speaker 6>something trees yo, look kiss that puts my soul that ease.

0:53:32.800 --> 0:53:35.759
<v Speaker 6>And I was I was like, oh that sounds good.

0:53:35.880 --> 0:53:37.799
<v Speaker 6>And that's the first two things I said. But there

0:53:37.880 --> 0:53:40.239
<v Speaker 6>was a way he used. He would write songs that

0:53:40.520 --> 0:53:44.480
<v Speaker 6>kind of go I wanna run, I wanna try, I'm

0:53:44.520 --> 0:53:47.600
<v Speaker 6>gonna take the yeah, yeah, own.

0:53:47.520 --> 0:53:49.280
<v Speaker 3>My heart myself.

0:53:49.480 --> 0:53:52.000
<v Speaker 6>It's it's a it's a it's a pocket to us

0:53:52.120 --> 0:53:54.520
<v Speaker 6>to a song, and every songwriter has that pocket. So

0:53:54.640 --> 0:53:56.960
<v Speaker 6>once you figure out what the mofos pocket is, he'd

0:53:56.960 --> 0:53:59.719
<v Speaker 6>be like, oh, you wanna that type of song you

0:53:59.760 --> 0:54:00.200
<v Speaker 6>wanna that.

0:54:01.239 --> 0:54:03.440
<v Speaker 3>That's the pocket of that thing. So it's all up.

0:54:07.320 --> 0:54:07.560
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

0:54:07.760 --> 0:54:12.680
<v Speaker 3>So that's my brother, yo, who you texted?

0:54:12.719 --> 0:54:15.800
<v Speaker 2>I gotta do this, I gotta do this.

0:54:16.320 --> 0:54:18.000
<v Speaker 3>I gotta do on the show. I gotta do this.

0:54:18.440 --> 0:54:21.440
<v Speaker 3>Hang on, please pick up? What time is it on

0:54:21.560 --> 0:54:24.320
<v Speaker 3>the I was just pick up please. I meant to

0:54:24.360 --> 0:54:26.040
<v Speaker 3>tell him that when I met him too, but he wasn't.

0:54:30.280 --> 0:54:30.759
<v Speaker 3>It's not a but.

0:54:32.800 --> 0:54:34.200
<v Speaker 7>Odd time six o'clock.

0:54:36.440 --> 0:54:37.759
<v Speaker 3>Damn it, damn it, damn it, damnit.

0:54:38.440 --> 0:54:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I'm officially calling Jimmy Jam to let him know that

0:54:41.400 --> 0:54:43.360
<v Speaker 2>he's officially my second favorite.

0:54:50.560 --> 0:54:52.880
<v Speaker 3>Got all back. I think he thinks that I'm butt Downald,

0:54:52.960 --> 0:54:54.640
<v Speaker 3>but I got I got Jimmy Jam.

0:54:55.719 --> 0:54:57.839
<v Speaker 6>Just bring him, bring them No, I know, I look

0:54:58.000 --> 0:55:01.479
<v Speaker 6>because it really was for Jimmy Jam because the first

0:55:01.560 --> 0:55:03.920
<v Speaker 6>song that I did, we kind of did it together.

0:55:04.000 --> 0:55:06.560
<v Speaker 6>But I did this, this track with this song for

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:11.279
<v Speaker 6>this girl named Janis Christie. All right, heat strokes. It's

0:55:11.320 --> 0:55:13.040
<v Speaker 6>one of the worst songs I ever wrote, but it

0:55:13.400 --> 0:55:16.520
<v Speaker 6>came a little bit of a him, but it wasn't it.

0:55:16.960 --> 0:55:19.520
<v Speaker 6>Here was this this nineteen eighty six or eighty seven,

0:55:19.640 --> 0:55:23.799
<v Speaker 6>something like that. Yeah, So Jenny Jackson's record to come out,

0:55:23.840 --> 0:55:25.920
<v Speaker 6>so everybody was trying to do that. What have you

0:55:26.000 --> 0:55:26.759
<v Speaker 6>done for me lately?

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:28.360
<v Speaker 7>And what was that?

0:55:28.640 --> 0:55:32.520
<v Speaker 3>What was what was that song by that group?

0:55:32.760 --> 0:55:33.000
<v Speaker 7>Album?

0:55:33.120 --> 0:55:35.000
<v Speaker 6>Nobody was another group because another one that came out

0:55:35.080 --> 0:55:38.359
<v Speaker 6>Alice be My Girl, Full Force, Full Force, Full Force

0:55:38.400 --> 0:55:40.080
<v Speaker 6>had a record, right, that was really dope.

0:55:40.640 --> 0:55:41.840
<v Speaker 2>I want you just for me?

0:55:42.280 --> 0:55:46.120
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, but so so the baseline for heat Stroke was

0:55:46.160 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 6>a kind of a combination of reboff for Jimmy and

0:55:49.480 --> 0:55:50.279
<v Speaker 6>it was like, so it was like.

0:55:50.480 --> 0:55:53.439
<v Speaker 9>Doom doom, but do doom, but do do doom doom

0:55:55.400 --> 0:56:01.160
<v Speaker 9>doom doom, but do do but boom boom, you know.

0:56:01.320 --> 0:56:04.799
<v Speaker 3>So, so it was that and the song was horrible too.

0:56:05.120 --> 0:56:06.959
<v Speaker 9>He stroke up.

0:56:10.040 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 3>The moment, it was kind of fly. It was flying

0:56:12.200 --> 0:56:14.440
<v Speaker 3>for the time. But usually my jokes songes and and

0:56:14.560 --> 0:56:18.000
<v Speaker 3>being his I'm trying to be all that's what happened. Yes,

0:56:18.880 --> 0:56:27.640
<v Speaker 3>ghetto Heaven Rush Rush Promise. I was serious. Notice he

0:56:27.680 --> 0:56:31.680
<v Speaker 3>put that one under another name, no noticed, Alice Smith.

0:56:32.000 --> 0:56:35.439
<v Speaker 6>Yeah that was really dumb too, because at the time

0:56:35.760 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 6>till now because in two thousand, around two thousand and four,

0:56:38.600 --> 0:56:40.440
<v Speaker 6>like they're not checking for us anymore. I'm chicking my

0:56:40.520 --> 0:56:43.720
<v Speaker 6>name to Joshua now picking up my new young hip podcast,

0:56:44.320 --> 0:56:45.880
<v Speaker 6>which was the dumbest ship I ever did.

0:56:46.000 --> 0:56:49.640
<v Speaker 3>My fucking sorry, stop stop editing.

0:56:50.280 --> 0:56:55.759
<v Speaker 6>Oh yeah, josh yeah, so I wrote, he did, he

0:56:56.000 --> 0:56:58.279
<v Speaker 6>is and but the thing is but inspired. That was

0:56:58.480 --> 0:57:01.880
<v Speaker 6>again going back to hip hop. What was there was

0:57:01.920 --> 0:57:05.240
<v Speaker 6>this record I Love Broken Language and Broken Broken Language

0:57:05.280 --> 0:57:07.440
<v Speaker 6>by Smooth. Yeah, you get that track like so so

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:11.960
<v Speaker 6>so he was like the mind. So I'm like, he

0:57:12.400 --> 0:57:17.480
<v Speaker 6>is the dupe pleecta, the due protector, that's all. So,

0:57:17.960 --> 0:57:22.040
<v Speaker 6>so that's what I so when you can motherfuck it? Yo,

0:57:22.320 --> 0:57:23.920
<v Speaker 6>when did you hear her that song?

0:57:24.200 --> 0:57:27.320
<v Speaker 4>You're right up the cocaine cooker, the hook cup on

0:57:27.440 --> 0:57:29.800
<v Speaker 4>your hookup, hup the thirty five cent shorts on my

0:57:29.920 --> 0:57:31.680
<v Speaker 4>two for five's overlooked.

0:57:31.160 --> 0:57:34.200
<v Speaker 3>The rat turn off. The team turner asked, whipp I

0:57:34.280 --> 0:57:39.720
<v Speaker 3>learned the man, the money earner, Jack.

0:57:40.040 --> 0:57:43.000
<v Speaker 7>The un Protector, the song band.

0:57:42.800 --> 0:57:46.520
<v Speaker 6>Of Anything, I fear, the baby can shave, the.

0:57:46.600 --> 0:57:52.400
<v Speaker 3>Make believe the joke. Oh god, So that's that's the

0:57:52.440 --> 0:57:54.480
<v Speaker 3>connection between you know, the soul and him.

0:57:54.480 --> 0:57:57.520
<v Speaker 2>But just telling your arm bead Broken Language by Smooth

0:57:57.600 --> 0:57:58.120
<v Speaker 2>the Hustler.

0:57:58.360 --> 0:58:07.160
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, basically, now it's your number two.

0:58:07.240 --> 0:58:11.040
<v Speaker 7>Now you know what The interesting thing about that project

0:58:11.080 --> 0:58:13.959
<v Speaker 7>that I remember too is that I remember them taking

0:58:14.040 --> 0:58:16.520
<v Speaker 7>a long time to get back to us about doing

0:58:16.600 --> 0:58:19.320
<v Speaker 7>the song because and we almost thought that they didn't

0:58:19.320 --> 0:58:22.200
<v Speaker 7>want to do the song, and we almost thought that

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:26.360
<v Speaker 7>maybe they were trying to get somebody else to produce

0:58:26.440 --> 0:58:29.760
<v Speaker 7>the song. And it was like it was just kind

0:58:29.800 --> 0:58:32.600
<v Speaker 7>of a weird thing, and I think we almost gave

0:58:32.680 --> 0:58:33.240
<v Speaker 7>the song away.

0:58:33.360 --> 0:58:36.160
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, what the problem was, they didn't They didn't intend

0:58:36.280 --> 0:58:38.840
<v Speaker 6>for the first single to come from exactly exactly.

0:58:39.240 --> 0:58:41.440
<v Speaker 7>They didn't intend for the first single to come from us,

0:58:41.600 --> 0:58:43.880
<v Speaker 7>and so they made the right choice.

0:58:43.920 --> 0:58:44.840
<v Speaker 3>They made the right choice.

0:58:45.120 --> 0:58:47.800
<v Speaker 6>But finally, but about that album though, is and and

0:58:48.280 --> 0:58:50.440
<v Speaker 6>and and go back to Jimmy and Terry because we

0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:54.400
<v Speaker 6>love Love loved and one of the but that's the

0:58:54.560 --> 0:58:56.840
<v Speaker 6>second single was I Wish so.

0:58:59.680 --> 0:58:59.840
<v Speaker 3>Sing.

0:59:00.680 --> 0:59:02.640
<v Speaker 6>Yeah, I think it's called I Wish or something. But

0:59:02.720 --> 0:59:05.080
<v Speaker 6>there's a song we had on there called Forwards from

0:59:05.080 --> 0:59:08.320
<v Speaker 6>a Heartbreak. There was a really dope song that actually

0:59:09.520 --> 0:59:11.680
<v Speaker 6>should have been should have been the next thing, but

0:59:11.800 --> 0:59:14.440
<v Speaker 6>it was but it was a tie, so it was good.

0:59:14.440 --> 0:59:15.720
<v Speaker 6>But we but you know, it was a lot of

0:59:15.760 --> 0:59:19.720
<v Speaker 6>times with the music, it is politics, and you know, yeah,

0:59:19.800 --> 0:59:22.200
<v Speaker 6>and we we get it though, but and the name,

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:23.880
<v Speaker 6>and we actually had offered that, so I think we

0:59:23.920 --> 0:59:26.360
<v Speaker 6>had tried to get it to Whitney Houston, and then

0:59:26.400 --> 0:59:29.640
<v Speaker 6>I think, Satan. I'm sorry, Chris Clive Davis.

0:59:43.040 --> 0:59:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I didn't know that MySpace is still thing. Well, I

0:59:46.640 --> 0:59:50.520
<v Speaker 2>mean maybe in the archive world wherever that thing is. Unfortunately,

0:59:50.720 --> 0:59:54.640
<v Speaker 2>my uh whatever the bio in my mindspace thing is

0:59:54.760 --> 0:59:57.000
<v Speaker 2>like Clyde Davis is the devil.

0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:00.600
<v Speaker 3>Someone from Arrison the album.

1:00:02.520 --> 1:00:05.800
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, Clyde, don't know now, I just said it.

1:00:07.760 --> 1:00:09.200
<v Speaker 3>Though I wasn't inviting in the first place.

1:00:10.080 --> 1:00:10.479
<v Speaker 2>That's why.

1:00:12.760 --> 1:00:13.439
<v Speaker 5>The same night.

1:00:14.960 --> 1:00:28.200
<v Speaker 2>Everybody wait, uh oh yo, my mind is about to

1:00:28.240 --> 1:00:30.800
<v Speaker 2>explode right now because we're all over the place all

1:00:30.880 --> 1:00:34.160
<v Speaker 2>right since since no, no, we're just being sporadic. This

1:00:34.240 --> 1:00:37.160
<v Speaker 2>is why I want to know, because when I got

1:00:37.360 --> 1:00:43.120
<v Speaker 2>word that you guys were producing Spellbound second album, Yes,

1:00:43.280 --> 1:00:48.200
<v Speaker 2>her second album, her follow up to her, I mean her,

1:00:48.360 --> 1:00:50.600
<v Speaker 2>it was a massive record. Yeah, I mean Forever your

1:00:50.680 --> 1:00:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Girl was more like an industry that built virgin and

1:00:58.200 --> 1:01:05.960
<v Speaker 2>opportunities like that, don't they don't That story doesn't happen.

1:01:06.640 --> 1:01:08.840
<v Speaker 2>When when I heard you guys were producing it, and

1:01:09.200 --> 1:01:10.760
<v Speaker 2>the line share of the record.

1:01:11.600 --> 1:01:16.240
<v Speaker 4>I was like, yo, like yeah, that's from him playing

1:01:16.360 --> 1:01:17.960
<v Speaker 4>in her house, playing a piano, And.

1:01:19.760 --> 1:01:21.560
<v Speaker 3>How did that happen? How did it happen?

1:01:21.640 --> 1:01:26.280
<v Speaker 2>Because I would have thought, okay, uh well okay knocked out,

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<v Speaker 2>that was upstart la baby face. But now that they're

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<v Speaker 2>the ship, let's listen, like she's an industry now Aftershock.

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<v Speaker 7>First she wanted to do She wanted to do something

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<v Speaker 7>different she was.

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<v Speaker 3>She wanted to make an artistic statement. She wanted she

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<v Speaker 3>didn't want to see the machine.

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<v Speaker 7>No, she didn't want to do She wanted the big.

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<v Speaker 4>Enough to move past that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that she was big enough to make.

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<v Speaker 6>And she's really underestimated in terms of her artistic and

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<v Speaker 6>intellect and discipline, so she was.

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<v Speaker 3>She heard Rush Rush, so she flipped on with that.

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<v Speaker 6>And then and we were working with a group called

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<v Speaker 6>after Shock that we did album for versions, and that's

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<v Speaker 6>how she kind of heard about us. And after she

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<v Speaker 6>heard Rush Rush, she loved that. And then what else

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<v Speaker 6>did we write?

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<v Speaker 3>Then? I think Blone kisses new promise of a new

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<v Speaker 3>day and then.

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<v Speaker 2>The new day was so dark the way those dissonant

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<v Speaker 2>strings came it. But but but the juxtaposition of the

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<v Speaker 2>video being so sunny and everything and everything.

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<v Speaker 4>I was like, yo, but listen the coolest song on there.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm sorry it was vibology.

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<v Speaker 3>What happened?

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<v Speaker 8>What?

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<v Speaker 3>I think the MTV Award performance did it?

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<v Speaker 4>Because literally the next day we were watching it, watching ship.

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<v Speaker 4>So the next day the radio the managers told us

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<v Speaker 4>you already is literally saying you're not sending us the

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<v Speaker 4>fat song, are you?

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<v Speaker 8>Yo?

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<v Speaker 4>Man?

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<v Speaker 3>It was just I can in context look at I'm

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<v Speaker 3>googling the video so she no, it's not even the video.

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<v Speaker 2>If she performed at the MTV Awards, And because you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean pre social media, I don't even know how

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<v Speaker 2>people managed to Like I knew, the collective thought was that,

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<v Speaker 2>oh my god, what happened to Paula exactly?

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<v Speaker 3>And they blamed the song, right, they blamed it. I

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<v Speaker 3>like that was the single they like.

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<v Speaker 6>It was cost you know when you have like the

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<v Speaker 6>costume on wireless, but it was a wireless microphone. I

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<v Speaker 6>think something on the back of something that kind of

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<v Speaker 6>made it jet out funny angles and made it look

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<v Speaker 6>she's two pounds if that, and it made it look

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<v Speaker 6>like she was she's like three pounds three exactly.

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<v Speaker 4>So literally, the radio was because they were sending the

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<v Speaker 4>sing little next day they were like, you're not sending

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<v Speaker 4>us the fat song and just it just it killed

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<v Speaker 4>the momentum of that song. And honestly, I mean, if

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<v Speaker 4>I'm if, I'm gonna tell you that that form that

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<v Speaker 4>the backgrounds on that song, for me, is the most

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<v Speaker 4>proud I am of any background I've done recorded in

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<v Speaker 4>my career because of the fact that I got to

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<v Speaker 4>use my classical training.

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<v Speaker 3>All of that. I did all of them voices from

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<v Speaker 3>the bar to the I did all of those.

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<v Speaker 5>Can we can't ask you about that? Because Bill sent

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<v Speaker 5>a video audio of when she was in high school

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<v Speaker 5>and I was like, this can't really be.

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<v Speaker 3>It was like the opera.

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<v Speaker 2>I knows we're the government, the government tape.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's now.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait range man, Well, no, I mean I was trained.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, you know, I went to like music and art,

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<v Speaker 4>where Erica went, where Roy Hargrove went, Nora Jones, all

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<v Speaker 4>that ship went out. They told me to stop being

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<v Speaker 4>so perfect, and I was he you know, it's like, oh, really, okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Did it race? Can you still hit the you still got.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, yeah, that's in you.

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<v Speaker 5>You know.

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<v Speaker 4>So the classical training never leaves you. But the that's

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<v Speaker 4>what I got. The best training I got isn't being

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<v Speaker 4>in the studio. Pet and Jeff telling me the feel

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<v Speaker 4>is the most important, the feel. Don't lose the feel.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm like, can I do that again? They're like no,

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<v Speaker 4>I felt good, You're not doing it again.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm like, please gotta do it again? Like nope.

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<v Speaker 4>So yeah, they didn't let me, you know, perfection. They

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<v Speaker 4>don't let me perfect perfect it. So you know they're

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<v Speaker 4>like that.

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<v Speaker 3>Whatever to take is right.

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<v Speaker 4>Whatever to take, I want it to be like something else.

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<v Speaker 4>But if it feels right, and they both like, you know,

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<v Speaker 4>they're like that, and Mark Batson is like that, these

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<v Speaker 4>are those producers don't care if the note is right,

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<v Speaker 4>if if the if the pronunction. They want the take

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<v Speaker 4>to feel right. That's the prime objective. So you know

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<v Speaker 4>that's important because you know, I listen, I was actually

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<v Speaker 4>today listened to a bunch of like, you know, seventies

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<v Speaker 4>and eighties stuff like Jeane carn and you know, infinities,

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<v Speaker 4>and I'm.

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<v Speaker 3>Like, she ain't singing it. Then it ain't like perfect.

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<v Speaker 3>It's about the field.

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<v Speaker 4>It's about you know, it's about where where she's where

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<v Speaker 4>she's coming from with the note. It's not about where

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<v Speaker 4>to note, where to know lands where she come from.

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<v Speaker 5>But it's funny because she still has a similar background

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<v Speaker 5>as you were. She knows how to do it classic.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh yeah, she's classically trying to h Jeff, you're not

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<v Speaker 4>getting away with us.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry. I have to at least back up the

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<v Speaker 2>tree in at least fifteen years just to start with.

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<v Speaker 2>Or first for starters, you were taught by you, step

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<v Speaker 2>latif No.

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<v Speaker 7>I studied with him for a second in college for

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<v Speaker 7>a second, and I wasn't taught by him. I went

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<v Speaker 7>to Burrough of Manhattan Community College for about a year.

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<v Speaker 7>That was just my extent of college because once I

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<v Speaker 7>made it out of high school, I don't know how

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<v Speaker 7>I said, yeh, college to try. So I got in

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<v Speaker 7>there and and I studied with him for a little while,

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<v Speaker 7>and he was you know, he shown me some things.

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<v Speaker 7>In fact, I didn't even know he played flute. I

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<v Speaker 7>didn't know what the flute was his thing. And you know,

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<v Speaker 7>I just once a week I go and he you know,

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<v Speaker 7>just do some private lesson things. And you know, that's

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<v Speaker 7>about my extent. The extent of me studying with him.

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<v Speaker 2>What is your preferred weapon of choice as far as

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<v Speaker 2>your arsenal is a soprano alto tenor.

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<v Speaker 7>I've been playing a lot of soprano lately. I don't,

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<v Speaker 7>I don't want to.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, gun to your head? What do you what's

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<v Speaker 2>what's your acts? Because you have so many? Don't say

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<v Speaker 2>with the sky.

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<v Speaker 3>That one.

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<v Speaker 7>But I've been playing a lot of soprano, probably the

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<v Speaker 7>last maybe maybe four or five years. I've been playing

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<v Speaker 7>a lot of soprano, a lot of sopran on Barry

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<v Speaker 7>though I love you on Barry too, but that doesn't

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<v Speaker 7>make me enough.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm gonna ask you. Okay, So here's the question

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<v Speaker 2>I asked. So our particular sex player, Uh, Ian, Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>What's Ian's last name?

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<v Speaker 3>And Hendrickson Smith Ian hendricks and Smith formerly of the

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<v Speaker 3>Dad Kings. And so the thing is that Ian hates

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<v Speaker 3>when I make him break out the soprano.

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<v Speaker 2>He doesn't now for us, it's hilarious, but he hates

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<v Speaker 2>the sheen associated with the soprano. Well, I mean that,

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<v Speaker 2>And you know it's almost like I guess the Unwritten

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<v Speaker 2>rule is like after Coltrane.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, you know it's done with it?

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<v Speaker 2>Who else wants to and more power Wayne Shorter, more

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<v Speaker 2>power to you know, I know there are other greats

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<v Speaker 2>that have touched.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't like Coltrane's sound on soprano.

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<v Speaker 3>You serious sound, You're you are one of a kind.

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<v Speaker 7>I didn't like his sound on soprano. Tanna, He's my

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<v Speaker 7>favorite all time, but soprano I didn't like. I didn't

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<v Speaker 7>like his tone on who did you like?

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<v Speaker 3>On soprano?

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<v Speaker 7>I like Wayne Shorter?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, okay, so you feel the definitive sound of

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<v Speaker 2>the soprano sacks is Wayne Short, but.

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<v Speaker 7>Not the definitive sound. I just his sound just connects

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<v Speaker 7>with me more on soprano cold training because I think

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<v Speaker 7>he got if I remember correctly, that was something that

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<v Speaker 7>was a gift from Miles, right, yes, yeah, so you

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<v Speaker 7>know he picked it up. I guess he was trying

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<v Speaker 7>to do something. But I wasn't crazy about his sound Sonically,

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<v Speaker 7>his sound, I wasn't crazy about it.

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<v Speaker 3>What were you looking for, Leary?

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<v Speaker 7>I wasn't looking for anything. It just wasn't connecting me.

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<v Speaker 7>It just sounded kind of no, not even contrived. I

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<v Speaker 7>think he was sincere about what he was doing, but

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<v Speaker 7>it just didn't sound it wasn't for me.

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<v Speaker 3>That's so, what's your favorite period of COULTREYMN.

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<v Speaker 7>Giant Steps, spiral or no, that the stuff when you

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<v Speaker 7>don't like the stuff when he started I mean I

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<v Speaker 7>liked I mean the stuff when he started going out,

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<v Speaker 7>it just got a little bit too out for me. Okay,

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<v Speaker 7>but uh the era of Giant Steps before that, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>stuff he was doing in the sixties with Miles was.

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<v Speaker 7>I loved all of that stuff. I mean, he had

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<v Speaker 7>like a sound to me, he just had his sound

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<v Speaker 7>just connected.

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<v Speaker 3>I remember, so, who's your sex guy then?

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<v Speaker 2>Because I just naturally assume that everyone worships the culture

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<v Speaker 2>no matter what.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, culture ain't no matter what.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean.

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<v Speaker 7>I like Michael Brecker. He was like that cat to me.

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<v Speaker 3>Song hero Okay, you know.

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<v Speaker 7>I mean those two guys. I mean, there's just so

1:11:14.680 --> 1:11:17.040
<v Speaker 7>many guys. I mean, I could go back to Dexter

1:11:17.120 --> 1:11:21.040
<v Speaker 7>Garden and pres had his own sound. You know, this

1:11:21.160 --> 1:11:29.559
<v Speaker 7>smooth thing. Uh Bird was just Bird was fast. I mean, ah, man,

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<v Speaker 7>Bird was just.

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<v Speaker 2>So I don't know, Manka, So explain to me, because

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<v Speaker 2>the thing is that you managed to capture the one

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<v Speaker 2>the one thing I always hear about when uh An

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<v Speaker 2>iconic solo is captured in the song. It's always the

1:11:48.520 --> 1:11:52.280
<v Speaker 2>same story, and the story is okay, guys, I'm ready

1:11:52.320 --> 1:11:52.640
<v Speaker 2>to cut it.

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<v Speaker 3>Nope, we got it already. That was very much.

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<v Speaker 2>I know that's your story. Yeah, but are you once

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<v Speaker 2>did you know that you captured lightning in a bottle

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<v Speaker 2>with your sexophone and solo carabing.

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<v Speaker 7>No, no, that that I have to give credit to

1:12:12.120 --> 1:12:16.200
<v Speaker 7>the producer, Keith Diamond at the time, because he was

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<v Speaker 7>the one that he knew pretty much what he wanted

1:12:19.000 --> 1:12:19.720
<v Speaker 7>in terms of.

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<v Speaker 3>The song, so we.

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<v Speaker 7>Would just take sections because I mean, I went into

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<v Speaker 7>the studio and I was just kind of trying to

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<v Speaker 7>get a feel of what the song was, and they

1:12:31.520 --> 1:12:34.080
<v Speaker 7>had the tape rolling. He told Bob Rosea to roll

1:12:34.160 --> 1:12:36.720
<v Speaker 7>the tape while I was playing and I was in

1:12:36.800 --> 1:12:38.760
<v Speaker 7>front of the mic. They were trying to get a sound.

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<v Speaker 7>So I said, okay, I think I got something, and

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<v Speaker 7>then he said, no, come on in. I was just

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<v Speaker 7>warming up.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me just do a take of it.

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<v Speaker 7>And no, No, that song, that song was pieces because

1:12:53.479 --> 1:12:56.160
<v Speaker 7>he had the whole tape rolling and he took pieces

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<v Speaker 7>of what I played throughout the from the beginning of

1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:01.040
<v Speaker 7>the song to the end, I want you to play

1:13:01.120 --> 1:13:03.600
<v Speaker 7>this part here, and we just kind of constructed the

1:13:03.720 --> 1:13:16.880
<v Speaker 7>solo and the and the interesting thing about it is

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<v Speaker 7>like after that song blew up Man, I was getting

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<v Speaker 7>calls leg everybody and their mother was calling me and

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<v Speaker 7>my friend Van. He said, yo, Jeff, you need to

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<v Speaker 7>start charging people because I was under charging people. He said,

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<v Speaker 7>you know your ship is hot, you need to get

1:13:33.120 --> 1:13:37.040
<v Speaker 7>paid for it. So I just started charging people. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 7>I ran up a lot more.

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<v Speaker 3>Ste to this.

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<v Speaker 2>So when Billy Ocean finally agreed to come on the show,

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<v Speaker 2>this is after six long years of begging, please come

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<v Speaker 2>on the Tonight Show, Please please please Tonight Show. And

1:13:58.960 --> 1:14:01.840
<v Speaker 2>he finally agrees to to the show, and we're losing

1:14:01.920 --> 1:14:05.840
<v Speaker 2>our ship. And then I'm looking at Ian, our sax player,

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<v Speaker 2>and we were like, dude, you have to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Note for fucking and do we spend two hours just

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<v Speaker 3>singing that ship to him?

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<v Speaker 5>I don't know that between that solo and Carolin's whisper.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the thing though, It's like I know.

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<v Speaker 2>A lot of Tarik's lyrics. Tarik, you know, I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>Tarik will let me let me not misrepresent him. I

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<v Speaker 2>think the average person knows like can can retain like

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<v Speaker 2>maybe seventy five songs or seventy those things. But it's

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<v Speaker 2>just like, I mean, I know that song because I

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<v Speaker 2>DJ it so much. I you know, watch TV.

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<v Speaker 5>An American Americans who were born before eighty have to

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<v Speaker 5>know that that.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, she feels like like she means Chief is like deep,

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<v Speaker 2>like he's like Doug carn He's free.

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<v Speaker 5>Jazz, jazz, boozie, jazz, boogie.

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<v Speaker 2>Is like he's more avant garde. That's where his heart is.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, he made his meat and potatoes as the

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<v Speaker 2>Dap King, so.

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<v Speaker 5>All that, Like you don't think it's boogie when you

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<v Speaker 5>all know the solo Caribbean.

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<v Speaker 3>No, no, no, you know it.

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<v Speaker 2>But I don't think like any anybody that's on the

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<v Speaker 2>Tonight Show now. Like again, my story is that I

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<v Speaker 2>didn't grow up saying, hey, one day I'm gonna be

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<v Speaker 2>the new Doc Severson of the Tonight Show.

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<v Speaker 3>It just happened and I'm prepared for it.

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<v Speaker 2>But part of the job of being on the Tonight

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<v Speaker 2>Show is that you all the pop culture sponging that

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<v Speaker 2>you've done your life, everything you've learned now gets utilized

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<v Speaker 2>on the show.

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<v Speaker 3>So I mean you know that solo. But it's like,

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<v Speaker 3>now you got to execute a perfect you.

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<v Speaker 4>That's different.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh yeah, that's no, that's.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 7>I love that little bit.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait wait.

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<v Speaker 2>You still when's the last time you had to play

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<v Speaker 2>that still verbatim? Or don't tell me thirty five years

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<v Speaker 2>ago after I did it?

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<v Speaker 7>That was it when I had to play it?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I can't.

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<v Speaker 7>Oh no, no, no no. The only two times I

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<v Speaker 7>really played with him was one night the week the

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<v Speaker 7>night he was on Saturday Night Live. He did two

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<v Speaker 7>nights at Radio City. Those were the only times that

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<v Speaker 7>I ever played with Billy, And ironically, the the last

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<v Speaker 7>night that I him was when I lost the horn

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<v Speaker 7>that that I had because we went out.

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<v Speaker 3>You literally lost that horn.

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<v Speaker 7>Let me tell you what happened after the show, you know,

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<v Speaker 7>because he sold out Radio City two nights. I sat

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<v Speaker 7>him with him two nights. The second night we went

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<v Speaker 7>and we after the show, we went to kind of celebrate,

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<v Speaker 7>you know, went up, got a couple of drinks. I

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<v Speaker 7>went down into the after we were done, I went

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<v Speaker 7>down into the garage to get my car. The guy

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<v Speaker 7>brought my car. My horn was in the back of

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<v Speaker 7>the car. I didn't put it in the car. Yet

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<v Speaker 7>I paid, went and paid for the car and drove

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<v Speaker 7>off and left my horn. When I got home, I

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<v Speaker 7>looked in the trunk. I was like, oh shit, So

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<v Speaker 7>I went back to the garage. Of course, they didn't

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<v Speaker 7>see nothing. They didn't see they didn't see nobody saw anything.

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<v Speaker 7>And so the only time I ever see that horn

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<v Speaker 7>for reruns of Saturday Night Live.

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<v Speaker 2>And if somewhere in life there's like some grandkid that

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<v Speaker 2>got a saxophone for church, not knowing what they just got.

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<v Speaker 7>Yeah, well somebody, Yeah, Jesus Christ.

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<v Speaker 4>I think she'd be in a black Sonian.

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<v Speaker 3>So Sondra, okay, so your journey is just as rich

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<v Speaker 3>as well. I tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>We're not even going to get properly get to the

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<v Speaker 2>family stamp. This is almost like a nine part episode.

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<v Speaker 2>How much pounding of the payment did you do in

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<v Speaker 2>New York?

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<v Speaker 4>Uh?

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<v Speaker 2>Oh wait, can you wait one second please, we're getting

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<v Speaker 2>a phone call.

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<v Speaker 3>We're getting a.

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<v Speaker 2>Phone call right now, James Harris the third, Yes, sir,

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<v Speaker 2>how you doing. I'm currently right now taping an episode

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<v Speaker 2>of Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I regret the form.

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<v Speaker 2>You of this, and I've I've made a public I've

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<v Speaker 2>declared my loyalty, my allegiance to you since the history

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<v Speaker 2>of my show. But but you are now officially in

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<v Speaker 2>second place.

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<v Speaker 8>As you're you you've been, You've you've been.

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<v Speaker 2>You've been demoted to second place because the Family Stand

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<v Speaker 2>episode is the craziest thing I've.

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<v Speaker 3>Heard in my life? Is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, I'm currently right now with with v Jeffrey, Sounder's name,

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<v Speaker 2>Victor and Peter and yeah, I have.

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<v Speaker 3>To tell you that live on the air, that love

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<v Speaker 3>you know that, thank you for giving me give me

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<v Speaker 3>the hands up on Friends Radio. They're going to do yourself.

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<v Speaker 7>Yes, I know, yeah, yeah, we want to come on you.

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<v Speaker 6>More sympathy love.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry, this is the craziest the stories I've heard. It's,

1:20:06.640 --> 1:20:09.200
<v Speaker 2>you know, like we're very organized, we're going to chronological

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<v Speaker 2>order now.

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<v Speaker 3>It's just going all over the place.

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<v Speaker 9>I can't wait to hear it.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, yes, man, anyway, I just want to let you

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<v Speaker 2>know you're number two, but you're still number one.

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<v Speaker 3>But you're number two, you know, would you say number one?

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<v Speaker 3>I'm still number one as a solo acto.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm just gonna get my category.

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<v Speaker 2>Together, all right, You're still the number one solo Act

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<v Speaker 2>on Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 3>Think perfect, Okay, all right, bro, all right, God'll.

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<v Speaker 2>Hold up, hold up, wait a minute, all right, you

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<v Speaker 2>know when you hear my voice, sorry you're disappointed, but

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<v Speaker 2>you're gonna have to wait seven more days to get

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<v Speaker 2>This is beyond team this is this is wow. I

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<v Speaker 2>can't even describe what you're experiencing right now. I think

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<v Speaker 2>this is probably shaping up to be one of.

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<v Speaker 3>My favorite episodes.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know I went on record to say that

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<v Speaker 2>Jimmy jam had the absolute best episode of Quest Love Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>But this might be neck and neck. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>I'm gonna have to ask the rest of the Team Supreme.

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<v Speaker 2>So please join us next week for part two of

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<v Speaker 2>this legend already legendary classic.

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<v Speaker 3>Instant classic episode of the family stand on Quest Love.

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