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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme. It's a production of iHeartRadio three.

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Speaker 2: So fat fact, ladies and gentlemen, Sometimes you just have

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Speaker 2: to go with the flow. Steve's looking Matt nervous right

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Speaker 2: now because we're not following the rules of the show

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Speaker 2: from an engineer standpoint. But I don't know. I just

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Speaker 2: felt the need. We don't have to do row call

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Speaker 2: every time, right. We don't know how, but I will

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Speaker 2: say yes. First start is if you're if you're tuning

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Speaker 2: in Leighton, this is a Quest Love Supreme on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: And uh, we're we're still here with three Supremas because

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Speaker 2: I haven't locked and changed. See what I did there, guys,

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Speaker 2: Locked and change? Yes, Yes, Boss, Bill, Lion Sugar Steve

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Speaker 2: are with us.

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Speaker 3: Apparently unpaid.

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Speaker 2: Bill met a woman named Lady Sunshine, and uh he

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Speaker 2: left us a dear John note that said he ain't

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Speaker 2: never coming back. Fanticolo apparently is still smoking very strong

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Speaker 2: cigarettes and he said he'd be back for visitation Sundays

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Speaker 2: in a month. So what I will say is that

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Speaker 2: when time has passed and the smoke is cleared, I

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Speaker 2: really hope that the storytellers and the history makers and

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Speaker 2: the history tellers will be kind to our next guest,

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Speaker 2: whether as a collective or as individuals as an artist, producers, songwriters,

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Speaker 2: or just playing old session musicians or just three really

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Speaker 2: talented musicians.

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Speaker 3: Our guests today have made impact in.

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Speaker 2: History, and they march to the beat of their own drum,

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Speaker 2: their own weird drum, whether we know it or not.

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Speaker 2: And I'll be honest, I think Bill can agree with me, Boss,

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Speaker 2: Bill can agree that the gems of the Discovery for

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Speaker 2: this episode alone rates ten on the OH meter. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 2: and we graciously thank them for doing us the honor

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Speaker 2: of celebrating with them thirty years of truth, weirdness, cleverly

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Speaker 2: hidden snark, Hellotle, Van of White, How you doing zero

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Speaker 2: compromises as far as I know, Ladies and gentlemen, please

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Speaker 2: welcome they want and only Peter Lord V, Jeffrey Smith

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Speaker 2: and Sancho Saint Victor a special tree for all you

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Speaker 2: music experts and nerds and connoisseurs out there, professionally known

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Speaker 2: as the Family stand.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wow, Now every intro has to be like that. Oh right, right,

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Speaker 2: I think a new I think a new standard has

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Speaker 2: been said. And I really had a good roll call,

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Speaker 2: but you know I had they had two of them.

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Speaker 2: One of them was going to steal steal one of them.

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Speaker 3: Now see I wasn't even going to do the obvious one.

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Speaker 2: I have to say that, Uh, this is this is

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Speaker 2: one that I didn't see coming. Really why I didn't

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Speaker 2: see coming? I just now I see it coming. I

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Speaker 2: appreciate it. You know, just when when your name period

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Speaker 2: on the wish list of oh family stand want to

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Speaker 2: do a question.

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Speaker 3: Of supreme, We're like, what are you talking about?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm happy, Boss, Bill's happy, everyone's happy.

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Speaker 3: I'm not worried about the thing You're not worried about.

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Speaker 3: That's what's up. So has this always been this way

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Speaker 3: with you? Guys like you just pretty much? Yeah, no doubt,

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Speaker 3: I'll break out. Is that the bond that kept you together?

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Speaker 3: The music?

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Speaker 4: The music has always been the thing. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: we can hang out and have good fun and you

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Speaker 4: know we we we are compatible outside of music, but

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Speaker 4: the thing that always brings.

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Speaker 3: Us back is that music.

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Speaker 4: Because we are like I call them my musical soulmates,

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Speaker 4: and I mean that sincerely.

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Speaker 3: They literally are.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've never been connected to bonded with anyone

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Speaker 4: and I call them my powers, towers of powers, the talents.

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Speaker 4: When I'm between them, I'm the safest that I am

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Speaker 2: Okay, well here this is a tradition on question of

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Speaker 2: want to find out what brought them to where they

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Speaker 2: are now. And you know the first question I always have. Well,

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Speaker 4: Can I take my shoes off?

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Speaker 3: Six hours?

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Speaker 5: That's why we watch you their home because.

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Speaker 3: For radio.

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Speaker 4: Thank you, so thank you.

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Speaker 2: What what I'll do is, uh, I'll go from my

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Speaker 2: My first question for you, Pete is uh first or

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Speaker 6: I was born in Brooklyn, New York. Really, I'm from Brooklyn. Okay,

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Speaker 7: Like that, Off Atlantic.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, okay. And Sandra, where were you?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: I know you were Big four?

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Speaker 3: Okay, so the big ride d Yeah, what I'm saying.

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Speaker 3: This is XM radio or Triple X.

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Speaker 2: Uh V. Jeffrey.

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Speaker 7: I was born in Harlem. Harlem Hospital. Really yeah, the

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Speaker 7: old one. Okay, I'm a man of a certain age.

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Speaker 7: The one that's here, it was going on thirty one,

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Speaker 6: That one an older Okayla Harlem Hospital, like Frederick Douglas

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Speaker 8: Were there? We go?

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Speaker 2: So then so then I'll ask what year Sondra, Sondra,

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Speaker 4: Nineteen eighty.

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Speaker 4: Just rolled up and it was a crazy roll up,

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Speaker 2: Really it was crazy, kind of opening to a song

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Speaker 4: It was freaking nuts, you know. It was a roy

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Speaker 2: So then I'm just my big My first four questions

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Speaker 2: so what is Peter? What is your first musical memory?

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Speaker 6: I'm mature, that's right. The first song I remember hearing

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Speaker 4: And don't you come back.

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Speaker 6: And that's my first musical memory, hit the Road Jack Okay.

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Speaker 6: And then I remember being my sister having a party

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Speaker 6: And I'll tell you I know a lot of us,

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Speaker 2: I don't think I've ever shared the story before, but uh,

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Speaker 2: So, Sondra, what was your first musical memory, in addition

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Speaker 4: My parents and my aunts tell me about stuff that

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Speaker 4: So they said, but dude, I was they said, I

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Speaker 3: George to the world, the Lord It's come.

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Speaker 4: So it was George to the world. I don't recall that,

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Speaker 4: uh as I was consoling myself while I was cleaning,

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Speaker 4: I started singing. And as I was singing, I said,

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Speaker 4: I didn't say I don't want to. I didn't say

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Speaker 4: And it's new from that and it's never changed from

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Speaker 4: that moment, never anything else. And uh so, yeah, that

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Speaker 4: was the first that's like the real solid memory. And

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Speaker 4: from that point I forgot your second question.

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Speaker 2: The first record you purchased.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so yeah, the first thing I probably purchased was

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Speaker 4: Songs in the Key of Life or Larry Graham's Mirror.

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Speaker 3: Explain explained to me the repercussions of that.

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Speaker 6: Or he was he was an atheist and in fact,

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Speaker 7: Right.

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Speaker 2: But but I'll say that the times that I've went there,

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Speaker 4: Let me just tell us cute. I mean so and uh,

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Speaker 4: He just guessed it. And I was like, son, So

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Speaker 4: you know, he got cute when he got older, when

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00:23:19,119 --> 00:23:22,320
Speaker 4: he would just meet ladies. All my girlfriends who I introduced,

445
00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:26,320
Speaker 4: he would flirt with and tell them I'm not a

446
00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,760
Speaker 4: dirty old man. I'm just a sexist senior citizen.

447
00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 3: Even now I'm making to use that line. Put that

448
00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:38,040
Speaker 3: one out.

449
00:23:38,080 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 4: That was my dad and his brother.

450
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:40,399
Speaker 7: Did you learn how to handle the pistol?

451
00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:40,959
Speaker 8: Oh?

452
00:23:41,040 --> 00:23:43,200
Speaker 3: I did actually see from Texas?

453
00:23:44,480 --> 00:23:47,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to is that I don't want to

454
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 2: make any assumptions about Texas whatsoever. But can I assume

455
00:23:52,680 --> 00:23:56,880
Speaker 2: that that's is simples breathing air or water at least

456
00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,920
Speaker 2: we're talking.

457
00:23:58,440 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say.

458
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 4: I would say seventy percent. I'm not gonna say everybody,

459
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:07,080
Speaker 4: you know what I mean because everybody most people don't

460
00:24:07,080 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 4: know how to don but knew how to shoot or

461
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,760
Speaker 4: the parents definitely had guns. So you you you come

462
00:24:13,800 --> 00:24:15,360
Speaker 4: across it, you know what I mean. So I came

463
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:17,960
Speaker 4: across the gun in my house. My dad used to

464
00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:19,439
Speaker 4: keep it on top of the refrigerator. I'm like, why

465
00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:21,920
Speaker 4: is it on top of the refrigerator.

466
00:24:22,080 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 3: The gun was.

467
00:24:24,320 --> 00:24:26,560
Speaker 4: When he saw me like find it, he was like, okay,

468
00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,239
Speaker 4: well you're gonna do the gun. You're gonna you know,

469
00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:29,199
Speaker 4: let me show you how.

470
00:24:29,320 --> 00:24:30,639
Speaker 2: So were you the only sibling?

471
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 3: Yeah?

472
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,160
Speaker 4: No, I had three. We're all adopted by the way,

473
00:24:33,400 --> 00:24:37,560
Speaker 4: three siblings. Yeah you were chosen, Yeah, three chosen kids.

474
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:42,439
Speaker 7: I almost shot my sister. Let me tell you what happened?

475
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:45,639
Speaker 7: Were kids, right? And me and my sister were in

476
00:24:45,720 --> 00:24:52,360
Speaker 7: my my my stepdad. I mean, I wasn't like familiar

477
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:54,880
Speaker 7: with my biological so my mother had me married, right,

478
00:24:55,560 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 7: Me and my sister was playing in her in their room,

479
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:03,399
Speaker 7: and uh so we was reaching the you know, trying

480
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,720
Speaker 7: to look for things, and we see this gun and

481
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,240
Speaker 7: I think, and it's a toy gun. So I pointed

482
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,520
Speaker 7: at my sister and klick and then I pointed at

483
00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,280
Speaker 7: the ceiling and it went off. They came in and

484
00:25:16,320 --> 00:25:18,720
Speaker 7: they said, I didn't know what was happening, and so

485
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,000
Speaker 7: they was wondering if something had happened upstairs. I was

486
00:25:21,000 --> 00:25:24,600
Speaker 7: wondering why they were They were tripping, so I didn't

487
00:25:24,600 --> 00:25:26,760
Speaker 7: know it was a real gun, you know. I was like,

488
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,359
Speaker 7: that's one of my earliest memories because I don't remember

489
00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 7: much before I was nine.

490
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:37,880
Speaker 3: Well, that's question of supreme lasion. Good night, Steven Silver.

491
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:44,040
Speaker 5: Now, yeah, nobody carrying, right? You got to ask now?

492
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:46,560
Speaker 3: Scary?

493
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,440
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's that's that's scary. I mean I remember, that's

494
00:25:50,560 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 7: like kind of a weird kind of thing.

495
00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 5: It's a blessing, like you're blessed, like seriously want to

496
00:25:56,040 --> 00:25:58,160
Speaker 5: win differently, Well, I.

497
00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:01,280
Speaker 7: Don't, you know, I don't believe in love or anything

498
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 7: like that, but that was a yeah, I mean, somebody's

499
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 7: looking out.

500
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:19,440
Speaker 2: Bring you guys to New York. Now, what year did

501
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 2: you guys meet? Not even as eighty six?

502
00:26:23,600 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 7: Okay, you're talking about all of us. Let me take

503
00:26:27,480 --> 00:26:28,640
Speaker 7: let me let me take this.

504
00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 4: I go ahead, break it down.

505
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:35,480
Speaker 7: Peter and I met through a mutual friend, Will Downing. Yes,

506
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:37,760
Speaker 7: me and Will Downing. We used to do a lot

507
00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,880
Speaker 7: of work together. We were writing sessions all that stuff,

508
00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 7: and you know, Will used to come over my house

509
00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 7: and you know, we used to write, and so he

510
00:26:47,119 --> 00:26:49,840
Speaker 7: one day he told me that he knew that this

511
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 7: guy needed a flute player on a song that he

512
00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:56,080
Speaker 7: was writing. Right, and I never forget the song was

513
00:26:56,200 --> 00:26:58,040
Speaker 7: in the thick of it, right, that's the name of it.

514
00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 7: I never forgot the name of that song. So he

515
00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 7: let me hear the song. I said, man, I gotta,

516
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,000
Speaker 7: I gotta meet this guy. So he said, I'll bring

517
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 7: him over. So, uh, Pete came over my house. You know,

518
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 7: I said, that's Pete.

519
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 8: He's weird.

520
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:17,840
Speaker 7: He looked like he had this like Larry ninety six

521
00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 7: to five. And I'm like, So we started working together.

522
00:27:22,560 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 7: And uh, at the time you were, you had a group.

523
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,480
Speaker 7: You were with Renee and Angela and Angela.

524
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: Right, I can't wait for the stories. We're not We're

525
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 2: not even going to get to the family stand yet,

526
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:37,360
Speaker 2: collective experience.

527
00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 3: Oh she's shaking her head.

528
00:27:38,480 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: No, already, every Renee story. Yes, I'm ready for I'm

529
00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,639
Speaker 2: ready for the So.

530
00:27:48,160 --> 00:27:51,960
Speaker 7: It was Renee and Angela right, they were producing the Yes, yes,

531
00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,439
Speaker 7: So somehow I convinced p I said, Pete, man, you know,

532
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,720
Speaker 7: we could do this ourselves because I was always into,

533
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 7: you know, having being in control of our music. So

534
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,439
Speaker 7: you know, we started working together doing a lot of

535
00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,960
Speaker 7: productions and stuff, and so we had a bunch of

536
00:28:07,000 --> 00:28:10,119
Speaker 7: singers coming and doing demos for us because at the

537
00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,040
Speaker 7: time we were doing stuff for Silver your Own, Marilyn

538
00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 7: Bob and Mickey Howard. You know, we did Mickey Howard

539
00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:21,760
Speaker 7: all yeah, yeah, yeah, mac Man, we did. We did

540
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:26,800
Speaker 7: productions on them, and we had different singers singing our demos.

541
00:28:26,920 --> 00:28:31,520
Speaker 7: So Lisa Fisher was one of the one of our singers. Now,

542
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:35,439
Speaker 7: I knew Lisa from I met Lisa in nineteen eighty

543
00:28:35,840 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 7: eighty three on a session that I was doing for

544
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:42,040
Speaker 7: Billy Oshan, right, so she was in the studio, she

545
00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:53,000
Speaker 7: was in the Zach So you know, I met Lisa then,

546
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,000
Speaker 7: So we kind of established a relationship over the years.

547
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 7: And then she she did some demos for us too.

548
00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:04,120
Speaker 7: And so did we get it offered a deal or

549
00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:05,480
Speaker 7: we just studied first.

550
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,840
Speaker 4: First, we met before you guys got the offer for

551
00:29:08,920 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 4: the producers deal because Lisa, Lisa had to go do Luther,

552
00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,080
Speaker 4: she had to go, right, and so then she she

553
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 4: pulled me in because I met Lisa when she was

554
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 4: doing the Crystals and I still lived in Texas and

555
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 4: I was doing Lazy Fair and so we hooked up

556
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 4: before I moved to New York and Doug Crystals. She

557
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 4: was she was in the Crystals. Yeah, yeah, she was

558
00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,480
Speaker 4: doing the Crystals back in the day, traveling as not

559
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:37,200
Speaker 4: as the original No, no, no, I know that's my era,

560
00:29:37,480 --> 00:29:41,000
Speaker 4: like yeah, no doubt. So there was like one original

561
00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 4: Crystal and the other two and Lisa was one of

562
00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 4: the other two.

563
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:48,520
Speaker 5: Ship I did shows with Lisa when you were with

564
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 5: your dad, we didn't.

565
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 3: My dad was like a dup legend.

566
00:29:52,240 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 7: And so so anyway, yeah, we were using Lisa and

567
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 7: a bunch of other singers and we told Lisa that

568
00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,600
Speaker 7: we needed a singer and she said, oh, my girl,

569
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 7: Sandra lives in Dallas and I can hook you up

570
00:30:08,560 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 7: with them.

571
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 9: Man.

572
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 7: At the time, we were producing this group called the

573
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 7: mac dand who I think Babyface? They produced Roses are

574
00:30:15,960 --> 00:30:18,680
Speaker 7: Red right, So we were producing some songs on that record,

575
00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:20,800
Speaker 7: so we had to go to Dallas to produce them,

576
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:26,000
Speaker 7: and that's where we hooked up with Sondras show and

577
00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 7: I will never forget Lisa invited us to lose Evangels.

578
00:30:29,120 --> 00:30:34,400
Speaker 3: What year was this eighty eight eighty like eighty six.

579
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 7: Had been eighty six, eighty seven, eighty six because I

580
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 7: met Pete in eighty five.

581
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,280
Speaker 3: Was there air conditioning on in the stadium?

582
00:30:42,440 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 8: When yes, yo, I'll forget, never forget.

583
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 3: She was shading. I was minding my own business.

584
00:30:52,960 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 6: She you know, she she we said hello, and maybe

585
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 6: because she was used to men melting over her as

586
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 6: rightfully so, but she just said he and I said

587
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 6: how you doing? And she thought I was being cold,

588
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 6: But I think I just had some interigestion that day.

589
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:09,840
Speaker 3: I like that story. I mean, my stum was hurting, like,

590
00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 3: who do you think he is? I'm sorry to say,

591
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 3: it's good to see.

592
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 6: I'm six five.

593
00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:27,120
Speaker 2: She's giving you come on.

594
00:31:27,200 --> 00:31:30,000
Speaker 4: He looked down his nose at me. Jeff was like, hey,

595
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,960
Speaker 4: how you doing exactly? You know, he could like look

596
00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:35,200
Speaker 4: at me, but not look.

597
00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 3: I was looking at the rest of your baby going on.

598
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 7: Shoes hr.

599
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 3: But it was the eighties that kind of Okay, this

600
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:49,520
Speaker 3: is the thing.

601
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:51,920
Speaker 2: I'm really excited that you guys are on the show

602
00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:56,040
Speaker 2: simply because the one story that I'm not story, but

603
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,240
Speaker 2: just the one narrative that I never ever got to

604
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 2: wrap my head aroun round was what was the environment

605
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 2: like for I guess the black musicians in trying to

606
00:32:10,120 --> 00:32:15,400
Speaker 2: navigate through the mid eighties, like the Marcus Miller's, the

607
00:32:15,600 --> 00:32:22,080
Speaker 2: Bernard Wrights, the Tawatha G's, Like what is the stratosphere

608
00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: of you guys?

609
00:32:24,120 --> 00:32:25,640
Speaker 4: Well, see, you know all those people you mentioned so

610
00:32:25,720 --> 00:32:27,920
Speaker 4: but basically all those people came out of the session scene,

611
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 4: right right, So so the session scene was thick. It's

612
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: not anymore, right, but back then you had your West

613
00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 4: Coast session folks and you had your East coast session

614
00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:41,320
Speaker 4: folks and all the people you mentioned. Maybe Marcus was

615
00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 4: more west but.

616
00:32:44,320 --> 00:32:45,120
Speaker 3: Ended up going back.

617
00:32:45,200 --> 00:32:49,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, but so so, I mean those people are mostly

618
00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 4: East Coast people, and they came out of sessions, and

619
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 4: record labels were looking to like you know, put push

620
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,640
Speaker 4: people to the front like Mt. May and Tawatha out

621
00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:03,280
Speaker 4: of into m two May from these from that session scene.

622
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,680
Speaker 4: So that's why you got the McK murphy's and you know,

623
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,480
Speaker 4: the Bernard Rights and those folks that came from that

624
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 4: scene and also Pete Jeff you know what I mean.

625
00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,640
Speaker 4: They they were offered this producer's deal out of the

626
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 4: because they were doing all these sessions.

627
00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:19,600
Speaker 2: But was there a collective where like I mean, I'm

628
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,440
Speaker 2: talking even deeper, like with Shaka's brother, like Mark Stevens,

629
00:33:22,480 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 2: and then like all these monsters, Lay White and all.

630
00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,280
Speaker 4: Those we used to hook each other up.

631
00:33:28,320 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 8: Man.

632
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:32,440
Speaker 4: Definitely, there was a real camaraderie with folks. I mean,

633
00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 4: like Lisa and Brenda White King put me on, you know,

634
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 4: because Lisa knew before I moved, before I moved here,

635
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:41,320
Speaker 4: and she usually Brenda and they all sort of took

636
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 4: me under their wing and they put you into the

637
00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:46,560
Speaker 4: situations you need to be put into.

638
00:33:46,760 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: So what was your apprentice situation?

639
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:51,520
Speaker 2: Like if you say that Lisa was a Luther disciple,

640
00:33:52,160 --> 00:33:53,720
Speaker 2: who was your apprentice situation?

641
00:33:54,040 --> 00:33:56,240
Speaker 4: That would probably be Roy Yers then, because you know,

642
00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 4: that was how I first got up there up here,

643
00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:02,520
Speaker 4: that's where I am I now New York. So yeah,

644
00:34:02,640 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 4: so it was Roy.

645
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:05,440
Speaker 3: Started to tell me a little bit.

646
00:34:05,520 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, I got a lot of Roy story.

647
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:08,719
Speaker 5: But you said something like when you came to New

648
00:34:08,800 --> 00:34:10,759
Speaker 5: York and you were with Roy, like that's when you

649
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 5: knew things were different.

650
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:13,400
Speaker 4: Like the way you entered New York was different than

651
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 4: was wild as here. Okay, okay, yeah, it was definitely closed.

652
00:34:27,320 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 4: We have to keep closing. Darn I was trying to

653
00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 4: let the girls free, or to.

654
00:34:36,040 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 3: Mean, moments which.

655
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:46,480
Speaker 4: To me, songs come up right there.

656
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:47,640
Speaker 3: Okay, so but.

657
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 4: So so Roy so Roy uh he I met him

658
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 4: in when I was in playing with a group of

659
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 4: Zachary bro I don't know if you know who he is,

660
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,400
Speaker 4: and we had used his equipment, so we got He

661
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 4: came to our show and stuff and after the show

662
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,799
Speaker 4: he was like, I want you to come to New York.

663
00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 4: You wanna be in my band? I was like, uh,

664
00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 4: dirty old man. You know, that's kind of what I said,

665
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 4: That's kind of what I know.

666
00:35:14,520 --> 00:35:15,800
Speaker 3: I was like, I.

667
00:35:17,120 --> 00:35:20,560
Speaker 4: Was like, girl, yeah, but yeah, I thought he was,

668
00:35:21,080 --> 00:35:24,400
Speaker 4: you know, just you know, pushing up. Really. So I

669
00:35:24,440 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 4: went and told the band I'm like, Roy Ers asked

670
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,279
Speaker 4: me to, you know, come to New York. They were like, yo,

671
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 4: let's go. And so I was like wait, I wasn't

672
00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 4: really planning accepted. They were like, no, you got it.

673
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:36,719
Speaker 4: This a So then I reached out to Roy and

674
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:38,879
Speaker 4: I said, Roy, yeah, so the whole band was He says,

675
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 4: I don't need the whole band, so so wow, that's

676
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 4: gonna be I was like, that's gonna be awkward. Because

677
00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:52,200
Speaker 4: they got the band, they got the transportation to get

678
00:35:52,239 --> 00:36:02,280
Speaker 4: me here. So so right, that is all story. Oh

679
00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 4: I got oh, okay, so so I went the whole

680
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,920
Speaker 4: man decided to come, I said, but he said he

681
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 4: doesn't really need So we got there and he took

682
00:36:09,760 --> 00:36:14,759
Speaker 4: me and Zachary bro But when we got there, he

683
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 4: had set us up to stay at William Allen's house.

684
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:20,799
Speaker 4: William Allen is an arranger, string arranger for all of

685
00:36:20,840 --> 00:36:24,600
Speaker 4: those beautiful ubiquity arranged songs. He did all those string arrangements.

686
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 4: And we were staying I was no Zach and I

687
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,400
Speaker 4: was staying at William Allen's apartment in Harlem. And it

688
00:36:30,440 --> 00:36:33,600
Speaker 4: was February twenty first, nineteen eighty two, and it was like,

689
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 4: you know, forty seven inches of snow on the ground,

690
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,360
Speaker 4: and the cab like picked.

691
00:36:38,560 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 3: That a gift of yours to the recall dates.

692
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:41,800
Speaker 4: I remember this definitely.

693
00:36:41,880 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 3: Oh, just this story.

694
00:36:43,040 --> 00:36:44,759
Speaker 4: I remember a lot of things like that that, Like

695
00:36:45,160 --> 00:36:47,440
Speaker 4: you're like, well, things that terrify you. You have a

696
00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:52,120
Speaker 4: tendency to okay, yeah, because we we we passed. I mean,

697
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 4: I'm from Dallas. We have nice large streets and stop

698
00:36:56,120 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 4: signs and lights. Everybody fallows the rules. So we got here,

699
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 4: we passed by like blocks. I'm like, so I think

700
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,560
Speaker 4: we passed it. I think it was back there. He

701
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 4: just said, okay, put it in reverse and and just

702
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,240
Speaker 4: like bed backwards, you know, like two and a half

703
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 4: blocks in the snow, and you know, on a one

704
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 4: way street. And I was just scarceialless. And we got

705
00:37:16,600 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 4: there and we stayed at Williams and and you know,

706
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:23,839
Speaker 4: there was he didn't have a bed for us. He

707
00:37:23,840 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 4: could barely walk to his house because he was a hoarder.

708
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 3: He had no food.

709
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 4: And we were like, he said, whatever you find in

710
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,680
Speaker 4: the pantry, open the pantry.

711
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 3: Roaches jumped out. It was like, this is mine. That

712
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:44,279
Speaker 3: was like my.

713
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 4: Introduction to the off I imagine story back off. No,

714
00:37:52,080 --> 00:37:53,799
Speaker 4: I got a freaking story for right, but that's later.

715
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 4: That's a whole mother freaking roy story. He's crazy.

716
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 7: You heard the story, go ahead and tell it.

717
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:12,439
Speaker 3: Nuts.

718
00:38:12,520 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 4: But yeah, that was okay, right, that was just my

719
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 4: introduction to New York story.

720
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:19,440
Speaker 3: That's all right.

721
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 2: So you I mean, this was obviously just a conversation

722
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 2: between the three of you, and you're saying that you

723
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 2: met at this.

724
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 7: Lutheran show, met Sondra and Pete met okay a few

725
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 7: years before that.

726
00:38:35,120 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 6: Well, we were going to try out different singers. But

727
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 6: I mean, I want to back a track actually because

728
00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:44,240
Speaker 6: you as the person was kind of really my mentor

729
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 6: in a way was Jeff because he didn't know that,

730
00:38:48,000 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 6: but he was kind of.

731
00:38:50,880 --> 00:38:54,600
Speaker 3: He's finding out right now. You know how many interviews.

732
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:58,040
Speaker 6: Have you he talked about. I think it's because like

733
00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 6: I just come out of with the Howard University.

734
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what the how Ward you know?

735
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 6: And uh so I was there around the same time

736
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:13,719
Speaker 6: as Wayne Lindsay and uh some other people and uh.

737
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 3: You graduated. I graduated in eighty two. Hudson. Yes, yes,

738
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,680
Speaker 3: was he a teacher there as well? Was a teacher.

739
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,719
Speaker 6: He was a teacher there, Le Hudson. I think I

740
00:39:22,719 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 6: think that guy I think you're talking about. Yeah, I think, yeah,

741
00:39:25,600 --> 00:39:27,360
Speaker 6: I think it's if that's what you're talking about. But

742
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 6: I wasn't even the jazz band, but i'd been, uh

743
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 6: have the Renee and Angela thing, right, I think right,

744
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,640
Speaker 6: graduated or write something like that. I was working with

745
00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 6: a friend who was it was the It was a

746
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:41,480
Speaker 6: singer named Raymond Reader, a great singer.

747
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I remember, right and right, yeah, and uh

748
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 7: he had a female to right.

749
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:49,759
Speaker 6: They were going to turn this into another Shalomar. Okay, yeah,

750
00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 6: so that's who.

751
00:39:50,280 --> 00:39:50,920
Speaker 2: That's who. That's who.

752
00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:54,120
Speaker 3: We're going to be another Shalomark. All right. As you

753
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 3: can see, they didn't quite work.

754
00:39:55,440 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 6: But uh, pope six y five popping really you know,

755
00:40:01,360 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 6: uh look like Pinocchio or whatever trying to pop block.

756
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:07,799
Speaker 6: But anyway, so so I was in that bad but

757
00:40:07,800 --> 00:40:09,400
Speaker 6: that situation didn't work out. I won't get to the

758
00:40:09,440 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 6: gory details of it. But then they didn't work out,

759
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 6: and I went back to New York. But I wasn't

760
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 6: really necessarily in the New York scene like Jeff was.

761
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 6: You know, I would sometimes I would hang with Jeff

762
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 6: and he was he was working with Ashif and I

763
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 6: went with him up there, and a lot of people

764
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:25,879
Speaker 6: who were there were like, who's who's the guy over there?

765
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 6: You know, and he's a weird guy. Who's the weird guy?

766
00:40:28,360 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 6: You know? Jeff said, no, he's cool.

767
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: That was the question.

768
00:40:31,040 --> 00:40:36,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, they only let me up there once. But but

769
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,200
Speaker 6: but I when I was up there once there was

770
00:40:38,239 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 6: a cause she had a whole bunch of songwriters and

771
00:40:40,400 --> 00:40:41,799
Speaker 6: they were like working and said, we can come up

772
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,680
Speaker 6: with these ideas and they said you write songs, right,

773
00:40:43,719 --> 00:40:45,879
Speaker 6: I said, yeah, I know, I write a little bit,

774
00:40:46,280 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 6: so so right now and then were of the kind

775
00:40:49,200 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 6: of gym to the idea and I was like, oh yeah,

776
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 6: I came. I started singing up and then they're like,

777
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 6: that's all right, that's cool, and I left. I think

778
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 6: about maybe a year later I kind of heard what

779
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:57,879
Speaker 6: I was singing that day.

780
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:06,840
Speaker 10: But but but h so there was a like a

781
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,040
Speaker 10: so I knew some of the people from Howard University,

782
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 10: but in terms of like the New York crew and

783
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 10: hanging all the sings and stuff, I didn't kind of

784
00:41:12,640 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 10: really know as much as Sondra and Jeff.

785
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:18,200
Speaker 6: But as we got a chance we producing records, Like

786
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:20,760
Speaker 6: Jeff was saying, we got do some stuff with Merlin

787
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:22,319
Speaker 6: Bob and said we were on in Atlantic and they said,

788
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:24,480
Speaker 6: I once you do, guys do a producer album. And

789
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,239
Speaker 6: that's how it came about finding saying. But the thing is,

790
00:41:27,400 --> 00:41:29,919
Speaker 6: since I was the outsider and the and the most

791
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:32,439
Speaker 6: fucked up one of the group, all right, they didn't

792
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 6: know people. You know, the interesting you're talking about that

793
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 6: times and how people related and because yeah, it was

794
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 6: a kind of a clique. I was never kind of

795
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 6: any any clicks and I'd be like, Jeff, can I

796
00:41:42,719 --> 00:41:43,319
Speaker 6: can I go with you?

797
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 3: Said, yeah, no, he's cool.

798
00:41:46,040 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 9: You know.

799
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 6: But but but it affected kind of our sound of

800
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:53,439
Speaker 6: music because the eighties was a very unique time. I'm

801
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 6: a unique times, like the kind of bridge as you know,

802
00:41:56,280 --> 00:42:01,040
Speaker 6: between transition, transition and all and all I know is

803
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:02,840
Speaker 6: whatever the funk was going on in the eighties for

804
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 6: me personally, I wasn't fucking digging and I hadn't really

805
00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 6: but I hadn't really realized what that was yet. So

806
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:11,920
Speaker 6: so there was these things were really great, but there

807
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 6: was a certain sound. So we started to make our

808
00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:16,440
Speaker 6: album Why Sandra fit in all these singers they were

809
00:42:16,560 --> 00:42:18,600
Speaker 6: like and came feel a little bit from the Kashif school.

810
00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:21,319
Speaker 6: He made some real dope records. It was like it

811
00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 6: was the type of singing back then with background singers,

812
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 6: love come down and all that kind of you. And

813
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:31,439
Speaker 6: then well, this ship was tight.

814
00:42:31,560 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 2: This is my favorite episode, this, this is my dream.

815
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:39,040
Speaker 2: It was like talking to three and mirrors all this

816
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 2: random information to say.

817
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,280
Speaker 6: She was like, I know who but you know, but

818
00:42:46,280 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 6: but Sandra, when she said you're like she was a siren.

819
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,319
Speaker 6: She was that fucking Tina Turner kind of like, my

820
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,200
Speaker 6: shit is unbridled.

821
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 3: I'm trying to be he who who? But I wasn't

822
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 3: really into that. She didn't like the sene.

823
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:02,920
Speaker 6: Yeah, I didn't know what that thing was. We were

824
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:04,439
Speaker 6: doing backfrons of the album and be like, you guys

825
00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 6: not making it so clean. They'd be like, that was

826
00:43:08,320 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 6: that was? That was a Jackie Deson double take. For

827
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 6: those on radio who couldn't see what I just did,

828
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 6: it was Jackie Lison. But anyway, so uh so in

829
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,719
Speaker 6: terms of Sondra just fit into an energy that that

830
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,840
Speaker 6: we had and we knew naturally and we need and

831
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 6: even with our first album chapters, we had really locked

832
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:31,360
Speaker 6: in quite do what that thing was. But all I

833
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:33,680
Speaker 6: knew was I didn't want to hear the ship I

834
00:43:33,719 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 6: had been hearing.

835
00:43:34,600 --> 00:43:38,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, well let's get to that. I think.

836
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 2: We could safely assume that the most defined sound of

837
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:47,920
Speaker 2: what the eighties was, at least for the beginning of

838
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 2: the eighties to the mid eighties, I mean, was the

839
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: kind of sound that Prince crafted that there was Bookie

840
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: with with with the work that she did and everything

841
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 2: and in Brooklyn, uh he did big time with James uh.

842
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 3: Leroy Burges and I mean Leroy Burgess.

843
00:44:09,320 --> 00:44:09,600
Speaker 7: Uh.

844
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,200
Speaker 3: Well, if you work with everyone, did you.

845
00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 7: My life is a blurring terms of that. I mean, yeah,

846
00:44:17,600 --> 00:44:19,839
Speaker 7: I have worked with a lot of people. I mean

847
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 7: the eighties to me, I mean I thought, I think

848
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 7: the seventies to me was like the best time for music,

849
00:44:25,880 --> 00:44:30,280
Speaker 7: of course, but the eighties was transitional to me because

850
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 7: the sound just changing, and I thought people were just

851
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 7: trying to figure things out in terms of of the sound. Sonically,

852
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:41,880
Speaker 7: everything kind of just sounded stiff and and and and

853
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 7: perfect and we just kind of had to go through that.

854
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 7: I mean, even today, as much as we can get

855
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 7: to anything that we want, sometimes sonically things just sound

856
00:44:53,880 --> 00:44:57,360
Speaker 7: kind of over quantized to me. Hell yeah, yeah, everything

857
00:44:57,520 --> 00:45:00,239
Speaker 7: just sounds kind of over quantized. And it's too It's

858
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 7: not bad, it's not good. It's not a bad thing

859
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 7: or a good thing, but it's a thing.

860
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 3: So it's numbing.

861
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, it's numbing, you know. Because the funny thing is,

862
00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 7: I want to visit my son over the Christmas holidays,

863
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,080
Speaker 7: you know what I mean. I don't really celebrate Christmas,

864
00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:16,439
Speaker 7: but you know, I had to go see my son.

865
00:45:16,560 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 7: So he was taking me back to the airport, and

866
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 7: we were listening to all this music, right, and I'm

867
00:45:24,200 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 7: hearing one song and everything sounds perfect, everything, you know, harmonies,

868
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:32,319
Speaker 7: big drums, everybody's into the loudness and the you know.

869
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,960
Speaker 7: So this one song comes on by this girl I

870
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 7: forgot her name, but it sounded so soulful, harmonies. As

871
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 7: soon as the song finish, me and my son started

872
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 7: laughing at the same time. We started laughing at the

873
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 7: same Now, you know, he's my son, but he realized

874
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,440
Speaker 7: that everything sounded the same, and there's always like just

875
00:45:52,560 --> 00:45:55,040
Speaker 7: kind of one song that will kind of stick out,

876
00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 7: and you realize how fucked up things have kind of

877
00:45:59,400 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 7: gotten in every everybody's kind of just playing the you know,

878
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 7: I got to sound like the last thing, you know, So,

879
00:46:05,640 --> 00:46:07,759
Speaker 7: you know I was I making a point here.

880
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, everything sounds the same. Well that's the thing though,

881
00:46:11,880 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 2: But in the eighties you have to choose a path.

882
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:22,560
Speaker 2: And for sure, it's like there's Bookie, there's the Minneapolis

883
00:46:22,560 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 2: Prince sound, there's also hip hop. How are you guys

884
00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,239
Speaker 2: wrestling with what hip hop has becoming? The fact that

885
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 2: you're developing a craft. But yet were people that just

886
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 2: seemed to.

887
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 6: Well, I think what the what the key transition was

888
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:43,200
Speaker 6: for us, and then how it leads musically is that

889
00:46:43,560 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 6: there was this link with sixties and seventies children music.

890
00:46:47,640 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 6: So but then the music got electronic and slick, but

891
00:46:50,880 --> 00:46:53,839
Speaker 6: what the bridge was was hip hop. So hip hop

892
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,880
Speaker 6: was feeding off of that rawness from the James Brown,

893
00:46:56,960 --> 00:46:57,719
Speaker 6: the drums.

894
00:46:57,400 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 3: And all that kind of stuff. And in the late eighties,

895
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 3: in the late in the yeah.

896
00:47:01,520 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: It was yeah, in the mid eighty like have you

897
00:47:04,080 --> 00:47:07,919
Speaker 2: guys dealt with Larry Smith or I'm just throwing out

898
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:08,959
Speaker 2: New York names, like.

899
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 7: I know him.

900
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, I don't know personally.

901
00:47:12,719 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 7: I don't know him personally, but I know of him.

902
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 7: I know of him. I know of him.

903
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 6: I think the thought was what I was getting to

904
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:22,040
Speaker 6: is like we did a session, I went to it.

905
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 6: I was fine to Jeff carrying the Jeff's bags to

906
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:27,919
Speaker 6: a session one day.

907
00:47:26,239 --> 00:47:26,319
Speaker 5: And.

908
00:47:28,280 --> 00:47:29,400
Speaker 6: It was and I would just, you know, a lot

909
00:47:29,400 --> 00:47:31,200
Speaker 6: of times I would just sit there and be quiet

910
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:32,719
Speaker 6: and listen to people that they were doing a hip

911
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,560
Speaker 6: hop record, hip hop record, and I was listening to

912
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:38,479
Speaker 6: and I was like, you know, at that particular time,

913
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 6: I hadn't really heard yet somebody being no sensibilities of

914
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 6: hit hip hop of the drums was happened underneath with

915
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,719
Speaker 6: a melodic song kind of at that particular time. So

916
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 6: that concept of bringing that together, and plus there was

917
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,520
Speaker 6: a there was starting to be on the East Coast,

918
00:47:57,560 --> 00:48:00,439
Speaker 6: certain rock records that I heard that I liked and

919
00:48:00,640 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 6: just and then listening to more like soulful stuff. And

920
00:48:05,239 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 6: since we were called the Standard, we're going to become

921
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:09,520
Speaker 6: the family Standing change her name because Evon Jefferys and

922
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 6: the stand was too confusing.

923
00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:13,279
Speaker 3: Uh that story, we can get to it the latest time.

924
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, but.

925
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:19,359
Speaker 6: That's what led to Ghetto Heaven. That the idea of

926
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:23,160
Speaker 6: let me sing a song over this within the context

927
00:48:23,200 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 6: of this hip hop, raw ish type of beat.

928
00:48:31,520 --> 00:48:33,719
Speaker 7: I'm gonna tell him how Ghetto Heaven came to be?

929
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 3: You know what is Ghetto Heaven?

930
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 2: Now that we're gonna break down the song before you

931
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 2: even get to how you guys got your group name.

932
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 3: But okay, let's go.

933
00:48:42,800 --> 00:48:44,359
Speaker 7: You want me to tell you how the song came

934
00:48:44,400 --> 00:48:50,200
Speaker 7: to be? You know salam REMI, yes, we do. He

935
00:48:50,360 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 7: was kind of the inspiration for that song because when

936
00:48:54,120 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 7: we were on our first album, you know, we did

937
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 7: the first album the record company. You know, we were

938
00:49:01,600 --> 00:49:04,080
Speaker 7: like that group that they didn't exactly know what to

939
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,760
Speaker 7: do with us, so they kind of fucked us around.

940
00:49:07,800 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 7: And you know, so I said, I knew Sir Maryland,

941
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:18,680
Speaker 7: Bob right elect.

942
00:49:19,640 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 3: It was Atlantic first. Yeah, I remember with Sylvia. Sylvia

943
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: they both went together.

944
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:29,320
Speaker 2: Okay, I forgot.

945
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,359
Speaker 7: I forgot they were getting us all, me and Pete

946
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 7: all the production work. You know. But anyway, after that

947
00:49:37,160 --> 00:49:42,319
Speaker 7: first album, I knew uh Salaam Remi's father because him

948
00:49:42,360 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 7: and I grew up together. We did the Chitlin circuit,

949
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 7: you know, we did a lot of sessions together. So

950
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,120
Speaker 7: I said, Pete, we need to go talk to my

951
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 7: friend Van van Gibbs. Right. So Van was over there

952
00:49:55,560 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 7: on fifty fourth Street and eleventh Avenue. I said, I

953
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:01,000
Speaker 7: set up a meeting him so we could kind of

954
00:50:01,040 --> 00:50:03,560
Speaker 7: talk because we were getting kind of frustrated with what

955
00:50:03,600 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 7: the record company was not doing for us. And uh,

956
00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,520
Speaker 7: we had a little talk and then we heard this

957
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 7: music coming and coming from the basements. I said, what's that?

958
00:50:15,520 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 7: He said, that's my son. His name is I knew

959
00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:21,040
Speaker 7: he that's my son, Salam. He's going to be a producer.

960
00:50:21,719 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 7: He said, you want to He said, you want to

961
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 7: go down and listen. So we went down and listened

962
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:29,440
Speaker 7: to the music, and then listen to the music. He said.

963
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:31,439
Speaker 7: He came home and listened to me. Say I got

964
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,640
Speaker 7: an idea. He said, I got an idea. So after

965
00:50:35,680 --> 00:50:39,400
Speaker 7: we left Fans, we went straight back to Ebesfield and

966
00:50:39,440 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 7: worked on hither came up with a drum beat. Came

967
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,160
Speaker 7: up with a drum beat. Now, if you remember the

968
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 7: original version of red Frog, drummer came up with a bassline.

969
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 7: Good dogg, A dogg, A dudegg.

970
00:50:55,040 --> 00:50:57,360
Speaker 4: That's that came from because I was in love with

971
00:50:57,880 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 4: d And I said, yeah, I was a cool more

972
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:02,919
Speaker 4: what's that? He had the wild wild West? The doom

973
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 4: boom boom. So then that's why I said, I didn't

974
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 4: even know you. Remember I said, like that.

975
00:51:09,160 --> 00:51:15,480
Speaker 3: Base each other right now, I didn't know that baseline.

976
00:51:16,040 --> 00:51:16,959
Speaker 3: So then you you changed.

977
00:51:16,960 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 4: You said boom boooom. So so he was like a

978
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 4: boom boom boom, Yeah, boom boom. I was, I love

979
00:51:25,360 --> 00:51:27,319
Speaker 4: that baseline. So then you like.

980
00:51:27,360 --> 00:51:30,359
Speaker 7: So to twisted little the record company heard it.

981
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, but see here's the thing. Here's the thing. See

982
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 4: that this is the piece of the piece that I

983
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:38,160
Speaker 4: always remember about the inspiration of Ghetto Heaven because the

984
00:51:38,200 --> 00:51:39,600
Speaker 4: salam thing was part of that.

985
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:40,759
Speaker 3: But also the.

986
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,400
Speaker 4: We had gone to the label, we had submitted the

987
00:51:43,400 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 4: whole record. We submitted the whole album, and they were like, yeah,

988
00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 4: this is dope, it's dope. We didn't hear no singles.

989
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,799
Speaker 11: Yeah yeah, So we were like son of them, and

990
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 11: so we were like so excited, excited about the album

991
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,480
Speaker 11: and disappointed that they didn't hear you know, because we

992
00:51:57,560 --> 00:52:01,000
Speaker 11: felt like they were singles, you know, change, change, So

993
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 11: we were like, remember, I remember, you know.

994
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 4: Eventually getting back to the studio was like, you know,

995
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:11,399
Speaker 4: it was just like they just want nursery rhymes. They

996
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:16,120
Speaker 4: just want nurse rhymes. We were like, I love my baby. No, no,

997
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:18,839
Speaker 4: I remember.

998
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 3: Rush Rush, Rush Rush was.

999
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 2: There time out was Rush Rush the last song done

1000
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:30,759
Speaker 2: for a spell Bound the first I was the same

1001
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:32,200
Speaker 2: formula exactly.

1002
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,680
Speaker 4: No, No, it wasn't.

1003
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,000
Speaker 3: Well, well you want to hear a rush Rush story.

1004
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:38,920
Speaker 3: I asked you that.

1005
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:41,479
Speaker 4: I said, you can't, you can't play you can't write

1006
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:42,560
Speaker 4: a song with just two chords.

1007
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:45,800
Speaker 6: No, no, no, that wasn't it. That was what was

1008
00:52:46,040 --> 00:52:53,360
Speaker 6: that was was no at the time. What happened happened

1009
00:52:53,360 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 6: was usually what happens is. You know, at the time,

1010
00:52:56,800 --> 00:52:58,840
Speaker 6: Babyface was writing a lot of songs. We would go

1011
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,120
Speaker 6: back and baby Faces a great song. Right of course

1012
00:53:01,120 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 6: I loved him, but I but I would say to her,

1013
00:53:03,000 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 6: I can write those songs in my sleep.

1014
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:10,240
Speaker 2: So did you purposely use the d X seven patch

1015
00:53:10,560 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 2: just as a point of sarcasm.

1016
00:53:13,080 --> 00:53:13,880
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't.

1017
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 6: The sarcasm was I literally said, because I knew what

1018
00:53:18,040 --> 00:53:19,879
Speaker 6: his thing was. The thing was there was the way

1019
00:53:19,920 --> 00:53:22,800
Speaker 6: he hit the beat. So I was like, I jokingly

1020
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:26,320
Speaker 6: went to the piano and I said, yoo is a

1021
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:32,640
Speaker 6: something trees yo, look kiss that puts my soul that ease.

1022
00:53:32,800 --> 00:53:35,759
Speaker 6: And I was I was like, oh that sounds good.

1023
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,799
Speaker 6: And that's the first two things I said. But there

1024
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 6: was a way he used. He would write songs that

1025
00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 6: kind of go I wanna run, I wanna try, I'm

1026
00:53:44,520 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 6: gonna take the yeah, yeah, own.

1027
00:53:47,520 --> 00:53:49,280
Speaker 3: My heart myself.

1028
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 6: It's it's a it's a it's a pocket to us

1029
00:53:52,120 --> 00:53:54,520
Speaker 6: to a song, and every songwriter has that pocket. So

1030
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 6: once you figure out what the mofos pocket is, he'd

1031
00:53:56,960 --> 00:53:59,719
Speaker 6: be like, oh, you wanna that type of song you

1032
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 6: wanna that.

1033
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,440
Speaker 3: That's the pocket of that thing. So it's all up.

1034
00:54:07,320 --> 00:54:07,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

1035
00:54:07,760 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 3: So that's my brother, yo, who you texted?

1036
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,800
Speaker 2: I gotta do this, I gotta do this.

1037
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 3: I gotta do on the show. I gotta do this.

1038
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:21,440
Speaker 3: Hang on, please pick up? What time is it on

1039
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:24,320
Speaker 3: the I was just pick up please. I meant to

1040
00:54:24,360 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 3: tell him that when I met him too, but he wasn't.

1041
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:30,759
Speaker 3: It's not a but.

1042
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:34,200
Speaker 7: Odd time six o'clock.

1043
00:54:36,440 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 3: Damn it, damn it, damn it, damnit.

1044
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 2: I'm officially calling Jimmy Jam to let him know that

1045
00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 2: he's officially my second favorite.

1046
00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 3: Got all back. I think he thinks that I'm butt Downald,

1047
00:54:52,960 --> 00:54:54,640
Speaker 3: but I got I got Jimmy Jam.

1048
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:57,839
Speaker 6: Just bring him, bring them No, I know, I look

1049
00:54:58,000 --> 00:55:01,479
Speaker 6: because it really was for Jimmy Jam because the first

1050
00:55:01,560 --> 00:55:03,920
Speaker 6: song that I did, we kind of did it together.

1051
00:55:04,000 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 6: But I did this, this track with this song for

1052
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:11,279
Speaker 6: this girl named Janis Christie. All right, heat strokes. It's

1053
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 6: one of the worst songs I ever wrote, but it

1054
00:55:13,400 --> 00:55:16,520
Speaker 6: came a little bit of a him, but it wasn't it.

1055
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,520
Speaker 6: Here was this this nineteen eighty six or eighty seven,

1056
00:55:19,640 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 6: something like that. Yeah, So Jenny Jackson's record to come out,

1057
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:25,920
Speaker 6: so everybody was trying to do that. What have you

1058
00:55:26,000 --> 00:55:26,759
Speaker 6: done for me lately?

1059
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,360
Speaker 7: And what was that?

1060
00:55:28,640 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 3: What was what was that song by that group?

1061
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:33,000
Speaker 7: Album?

1062
00:55:33,120 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 6: Nobody was another group because another one that came out

1063
00:55:35,080 --> 00:55:38,359
Speaker 6: Alice be My Girl, Full Force, Full Force, Full Force

1064
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,080
Speaker 6: had a record, right, that was really dope.

1065
00:55:40,640 --> 00:55:41,840
Speaker 2: I want you just for me?

1066
00:55:42,280 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 6: Yeah, but so so the baseline for heat Stroke was

1067
00:55:46,160 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 6: a kind of a combination of reboff for Jimmy and

1068
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 6: it was like, so it was like.

1069
00:55:50,480 --> 00:55:53,439
Speaker 9: Doom doom, but do doom, but do do doom doom

1070
00:55:55,400 --> 00:56:01,160
Speaker 9: doom doom, but do do but boom boom, you know.

1071
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:04,799
Speaker 3: So, so it was that and the song was horrible too.

1072
00:56:05,120 --> 00:56:06,959
Speaker 9: He stroke up.

1073
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: The moment, it was kind of fly. It was flying

1074
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:14,440
Speaker 3: for the time. But usually my jokes songes and and

1075
00:56:14,560 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: being his I'm trying to be all that's what happened. Yes,

1076
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 3: ghetto Heaven Rush Rush Promise. I was serious. Notice he

1077
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 3: put that one under another name, no noticed, Alice Smith.

1078
00:56:32,000 --> 00:56:35,439
Speaker 6: Yeah that was really dumb too, because at the time

1079
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:38,440
Speaker 6: till now because in two thousand, around two thousand and four,

1080
00:56:38,600 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 6: like they're not checking for us anymore. I'm chicking my

1081
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:43,720
Speaker 6: name to Joshua now picking up my new young hip podcast,

1082
00:56:44,320 --> 00:56:45,880
Speaker 6: which was the dumbest ship I ever did.

1083
00:56:46,000 --> 00:56:49,640
Speaker 3: My fucking sorry, stop stop editing.

1084
00:56:50,280 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, josh yeah, so I wrote, he did, he

1085
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:58,279
Speaker 6: is and but the thing is but inspired. That was

1086
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 6: again going back to hip hop. What was there was

1087
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,240
Speaker 6: this record I Love Broken Language and Broken Broken Language

1088
00:57:05,280 --> 00:57:07,440
Speaker 6: by Smooth. Yeah, you get that track like so so

1089
00:57:07,960 --> 00:57:11,960
Speaker 6: so he was like the mind. So I'm like, he

1090
00:57:12,400 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 6: is the dupe pleecta, the due protector, that's all. So,

1091
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 6: so that's what I so when you can motherfuck it? Yo,

1092
00:57:22,320 --> 00:57:23,920
Speaker 6: when did you hear her that song?

1093
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:27,320
Speaker 4: You're right up the cocaine cooker, the hook cup on

1094
00:57:27,440 --> 00:57:29,800
Speaker 4: your hookup, hup the thirty five cent shorts on my

1095
00:57:29,920 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 4: two for five's overlooked.

1096
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 3: The rat turn off. The team turner asked, whipp I

1097
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:39,720
Speaker 3: learned the man, the money earner, Jack.

1098
00:57:40,040 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 7: The un Protector, the song band.

1099
00:57:42,800 --> 00:57:46,520
Speaker 6: Of Anything, I fear, the baby can shave, the.

1100
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 3: Make believe the joke. Oh god, So that's that's the

1101
00:57:52,440 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 3: connection between you know, the soul and him.

1102
00:57:54,480 --> 00:57:57,520
Speaker 2: But just telling your arm bead Broken Language by Smooth

1103
00:57:57,600 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 2: the Hustler.

1104
00:57:58,360 --> 00:58:07,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, basically, now it's your number two.

1105
00:58:07,240 --> 00:58:11,040
Speaker 7: Now you know what The interesting thing about that project

1106
00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:13,959
Speaker 7: that I remember too is that I remember them taking

1107
00:58:14,040 --> 00:58:16,520
Speaker 7: a long time to get back to us about doing

1108
00:58:16,600 --> 00:58:19,320
Speaker 7: the song because and we almost thought that they didn't

1109
00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:22,200
Speaker 7: want to do the song, and we almost thought that

1110
00:58:23,480 --> 00:58:26,360
Speaker 7: maybe they were trying to get somebody else to produce

1111
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 7: the song. And it was like it was just kind

1112
00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 7: of a weird thing, and I think we almost gave

1113
00:58:32,680 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 7: the song away.

1114
00:58:33,360 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 6: Yeah, what the problem was, they didn't They didn't intend

1115
00:58:36,280 --> 00:58:38,840
Speaker 6: for the first single to come from exactly exactly.

1116
00:58:39,240 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 7: They didn't intend for the first single to come from us,

1117
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,880
Speaker 7: and so they made the right choice.

1118
00:58:43,920 --> 00:58:44,840
Speaker 3: They made the right choice.

1119
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 6: But finally, but about that album though, is and and

1120
00:58:48,280 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 6: and and go back to Jimmy and Terry because we

1121
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 6: love Love loved and one of the but that's the

1122
00:58:54,560 --> 00:58:56,840
Speaker 6: second single was I Wish so.

1123
00:58:59,680 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 3: Sing.

1124
00:59:00,680 --> 00:59:02,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think it's called I Wish or something. But

1125
00:59:02,720 --> 00:59:05,080
Speaker 6: there's a song we had on there called Forwards from

1126
00:59:05,080 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 6: a Heartbreak. There was a really dope song that actually

1127
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:11,680
Speaker 6: should have been should have been the next thing, but

1128
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:14,440
Speaker 6: it was but it was a tie, so it was good.

1129
00:59:14,440 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 6: But we but you know, it was a lot of

1130
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:19,720
Speaker 6: times with the music, it is politics, and you know, yeah,

1131
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,200
Speaker 6: and we we get it though, but and the name,

1132
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:23,880
Speaker 6: and we actually had offered that, so I think we

1133
00:59:23,920 --> 00:59:26,360
Speaker 6: had tried to get it to Whitney Houston, and then

1134
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:29,640
Speaker 6: I think, Satan. I'm sorry, Chris Clive Davis.

1135
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,560
Speaker 2: I didn't know that MySpace is still thing. Well, I

1136
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 2: mean maybe in the archive world wherever that thing is. Unfortunately,

1137
00:59:50,720 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 2: my uh whatever the bio in my mindspace thing is

1138
00:59:54,760 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 2: like Clyde Davis is the devil.

1139
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:00,600
Speaker 3: Someone from Arrison the album.

1140
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Clyde, don't know now, I just said it.

1141
01:00:07,760 --> 01:00:09,200
Speaker 3: Though I wasn't inviting in the first place.

1142
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:10,479
Speaker 2: That's why.

1143
01:00:12,760 --> 01:00:13,439
Speaker 5: The same night.

1144
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 2: Everybody wait, uh oh yo, my mind is about to

1145
01:00:28,240 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 2: explode right now because we're all over the place all

1146
01:00:30,880 --> 01:00:34,160
Speaker 2: right since since no, no, we're just being sporadic. This

1147
01:00:34,240 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 2: is why I want to know, because when I got

1148
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 2: word that you guys were producing Spellbound second album, Yes,

1149
01:00:43,280 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 2: her second album, her follow up to her, I mean her,

1150
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,600
Speaker 2: it was a massive record. Yeah, I mean Forever your

1151
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:55,120
Speaker 2: Girl was more like an industry that built virgin and

1152
01:00:58,200 --> 01:01:05,960
Speaker 2: opportunities like that, don't they don't That story doesn't happen.

1153
01:01:06,640 --> 01:01:08,840
Speaker 2: When when I heard you guys were producing it, and

1154
01:01:09,200 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 2: the line share of the record.

1155
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:16,240
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, like yeah, that's from him playing

1156
01:01:16,360 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 4: in her house, playing a piano, And.

1157
01:01:19,760 --> 01:01:21,560
Speaker 3: How did that happen? How did it happen?

1158
01:01:21,640 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: Because I would have thought, okay, uh well okay knocked out,

1159
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,520
Speaker 2: that was upstart la baby face. But now that they're

1160
01:01:29,560 --> 01:01:33,680
Speaker 2: the ship, let's listen, like she's an industry now Aftershock.

1161
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 7: First she wanted to do She wanted to do something

1162
01:01:36,240 --> 01:01:37,120
Speaker 7: different she was.

1163
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,880
Speaker 3: She wanted to make an artistic statement. She wanted she

1164
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,960
Speaker 3: didn't want to see the machine.

1165
01:01:43,240 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 7: No, she didn't want to do She wanted the big.

1166
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 4: Enough to move past that.

1167
01:01:47,520 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, that she was big enough to make.

1168
01:01:52,120 --> 01:01:54,840
Speaker 6: And she's really underestimated in terms of her artistic and

1169
01:01:55,360 --> 01:01:58,360
Speaker 6: intellect and discipline, so she was.

1170
01:01:58,480 --> 01:02:00,280
Speaker 3: She heard Rush Rush, so she flipped on with that.

1171
01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:02,520
Speaker 6: And then and we were working with a group called

1172
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 6: after Shock that we did album for versions, and that's

1173
01:02:05,080 --> 01:02:07,320
Speaker 6: how she kind of heard about us. And after she

1174
01:02:07,440 --> 01:02:10,640
Speaker 6: heard Rush Rush, she loved that. And then what else

1175
01:02:10,680 --> 01:02:11,520
Speaker 6: did we write?

1176
01:02:11,560 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 3: Then? I think Blone kisses new promise of a new

1177
01:02:15,760 --> 01:02:17,160
Speaker 3: day and then.

1178
01:02:19,000 --> 01:02:21,880
Speaker 2: The new day was so dark the way those dissonant

1179
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 2: strings came it. But but but the juxtaposition of the

1180
01:02:26,800 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 2: video being so sunny and everything and everything.

1181
01:02:29,240 --> 01:02:32,360
Speaker 4: I was like, yo, but listen the coolest song on there.

1182
01:02:32,360 --> 01:02:33,600
Speaker 4: I'm sorry it was vibology.

1183
01:02:36,520 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 3: What happened?

1184
01:02:38,960 --> 01:02:39,000
Speaker 8: What?

1185
01:02:39,440 --> 01:02:41,280
Speaker 3: I think the MTV Award performance did it?

1186
01:02:43,200 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 4: Because literally the next day we were watching it, watching ship.

1187
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:52,720
Speaker 4: So the next day the radio the managers told us

1188
01:02:52,760 --> 01:02:55,360
Speaker 4: you already is literally saying you're not sending us the

1189
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 4: fat song, are you?

1190
01:02:57,680 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 8: Yo?

1191
01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:58,240
Speaker 4: Man?

1192
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:03,640
Speaker 3: It was just I can in context look at I'm

1193
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:06,800
Speaker 3: googling the video so she no, it's not even the video.

1194
01:03:06,800 --> 01:03:11,520
Speaker 2: If she performed at the MTV Awards, And because you know,

1195
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 2: I mean pre social media, I don't even know how

1196
01:03:15,240 --> 01:03:18,560
Speaker 2: people managed to Like I knew, the collective thought was that,

1197
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,840
Speaker 2: oh my god, what happened to Paula exactly?

1198
01:03:21,240 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 3: And they blamed the song, right, they blamed it. I

1199
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,800
Speaker 3: like that was the single they like.

1200
01:03:30,000 --> 01:03:32,160
Speaker 6: It was cost you know when you have like the

1201
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:37,480
Speaker 6: costume on wireless, but it was a wireless microphone. I

1202
01:03:37,520 --> 01:03:39,200
Speaker 6: think something on the back of something that kind of

1203
01:03:39,240 --> 01:03:41,880
Speaker 6: made it jet out funny angles and made it look

1204
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,120
Speaker 6: she's two pounds if that, and it made it look

1205
01:03:44,200 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 6: like she was she's like three pounds three exactly.

1206
01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:49,600
Speaker 4: So literally, the radio was because they were sending the

1207
01:03:49,640 --> 01:03:51,240
Speaker 4: sing little next day they were like, you're not sending

1208
01:03:51,320 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 4: us the fat song and just it just it killed

1209
01:03:54,840 --> 01:03:58,080
Speaker 4: the momentum of that song. And honestly, I mean, if

1210
01:03:58,120 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 4: I'm if, I'm gonna tell you that that form that

1211
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:03,919
Speaker 4: the backgrounds on that song, for me, is the most

1212
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:08,520
Speaker 4: proud I am of any background I've done recorded in

1213
01:04:08,600 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 4: my career because of the fact that I got to

1214
01:04:10,640 --> 01:04:12,320
Speaker 4: use my classical training.

1215
01:04:13,520 --> 01:04:15,240
Speaker 3: All of that. I did all of them voices from

1216
01:04:15,280 --> 01:04:17,520
Speaker 3: the bar to the I did all of those.

1217
01:04:17,600 --> 01:04:19,360
Speaker 5: Can we can't ask you about that? Because Bill sent

1218
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,360
Speaker 5: a video audio of when she was in high school

1219
01:04:22,360 --> 01:04:24,240
Speaker 5: and I was like, this can't really be.

1220
01:04:25,400 --> 01:04:27,600
Speaker 3: It was like the opera.

1221
01:04:28,960 --> 01:04:36,919
Speaker 2: I knows we're the government, the government tape.

1222
01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:41,440
Speaker 3: That's that's now.

1223
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:48,280
Speaker 4: Wait range man, Well, no, I mean I was trained.

1224
01:04:48,320 --> 01:04:50,240
Speaker 4: I mean, you know, I went to like music and art,

1225
01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,960
Speaker 4: where Erica went, where Roy Hargrove went, Nora Jones, all

1226
01:04:54,040 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 4: that ship went out. They told me to stop being

1227
01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,720
Speaker 4: so perfect, and I was he you know, it's like, oh, really, okay.

1228
01:05:05,600 --> 01:05:07,919
Speaker 3: Did it race? Can you still hit the you still got.

1229
01:05:09,520 --> 01:05:10,680
Speaker 4: I mean, yeah, that's in you.

1230
01:05:10,880 --> 01:05:11,040
Speaker 5: You know.

1231
01:05:11,280 --> 01:05:15,919
Speaker 4: So the classical training never leaves you. But the that's

1232
01:05:15,960 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 4: what I got. The best training I got isn't being

1233
01:05:19,520 --> 01:05:22,600
Speaker 4: in the studio. Pet and Jeff telling me the feel

1234
01:05:23,040 --> 01:05:25,960
Speaker 4: is the most important, the feel. Don't lose the feel.

1235
01:05:26,480 --> 01:05:28,360
Speaker 4: I'm like, can I do that again? They're like no,

1236
01:05:28,480 --> 01:05:29,960
Speaker 4: I felt good, You're not doing it again.

1237
01:05:30,000 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 3: I'm like, please gotta do it again? Like nope.

1238
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:37,800
Speaker 4: So yeah, they didn't let me, you know, perfection. They

1239
01:05:37,840 --> 01:05:41,520
Speaker 4: don't let me perfect perfect it. So you know they're

1240
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 4: like that.

1241
01:05:44,320 --> 01:05:45,480
Speaker 3: Whatever to take is right.

1242
01:05:45,680 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 4: Whatever to take, I want it to be like something else.

1243
01:05:49,240 --> 01:05:52,280
Speaker 4: But if it feels right, and they both like, you know,

1244
01:05:53,200 --> 01:05:55,120
Speaker 4: they're like that, and Mark Batson is like that, these

1245
01:05:55,160 --> 01:05:57,920
Speaker 4: are those producers don't care if the note is right,

1246
01:05:58,200 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 4: if if the if the pronunction. They want the take

1247
01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 4: to feel right. That's the prime objective. So you know

1248
01:06:09,520 --> 01:06:12,120
Speaker 4: that's important because you know, I listen, I was actually

1249
01:06:12,160 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 4: today listened to a bunch of like, you know, seventies

1250
01:06:15,280 --> 01:06:19,880
Speaker 4: and eighties stuff like Jeane carn and you know, infinities,

1251
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 4: and I'm.

1252
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:22,360
Speaker 3: Like, she ain't singing it. Then it ain't like perfect.

1253
01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:23,240
Speaker 3: It's about the field.

1254
01:06:23,280 --> 01:06:26,840
Speaker 4: It's about you know, it's about where where she's where

1255
01:06:26,920 --> 01:06:29,480
Speaker 4: she's coming from with the note. It's not about where

1256
01:06:29,520 --> 01:06:32,360
Speaker 4: to note, where to know lands where she come from.

1257
01:06:32,520 --> 01:06:34,880
Speaker 5: But it's funny because she still has a similar background

1258
01:06:34,880 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 5: as you were. She knows how to do it classic.

1259
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:41,000
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, she's classically trying to h Jeff, you're not

1260
01:06:41,120 --> 01:06:42,000
Speaker 4: getting away with us.

1261
01:06:42,080 --> 01:06:46,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I have to at least back up the

1262
01:06:46,760 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 2: tree in at least fifteen years just to start with.

1263
01:06:50,640 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 2: Or first for starters, you were taught by you, step

1264
01:06:54,520 --> 01:06:55,720
Speaker 2: latif No.

1265
01:06:55,880 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 7: I studied with him for a second in college for

1266
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 7: a second, and I wasn't taught by him. I went

1267
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 7: to Burrough of Manhattan Community College for about a year.

1268
01:07:06,160 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 7: That was just my extent of college because once I

1269
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,120
Speaker 7: made it out of high school, I don't know how

1270
01:07:12,200 --> 01:07:14,560
Speaker 7: I said, yeh, college to try. So I got in

1271
01:07:14,840 --> 01:07:17,919
Speaker 7: there and and I studied with him for a little while,

1272
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,200
Speaker 7: and he was you know, he shown me some things.

1273
01:07:21,680 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 7: In fact, I didn't even know he played flute. I

1274
01:07:24,440 --> 01:07:26,840
Speaker 7: didn't know what the flute was his thing. And you know,

1275
01:07:26,960 --> 01:07:30,080
Speaker 7: I just once a week I go and he you know,

1276
01:07:30,640 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 7: just do some private lesson things. And you know, that's

1277
01:07:34,800 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 7: about my extent. The extent of me studying with him.

1278
01:07:38,240 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 2: What is your preferred weapon of choice as far as

1279
01:07:41,000 --> 01:07:43,640
Speaker 2: your arsenal is a soprano alto tenor.

1280
01:07:44,280 --> 01:07:48,680
Speaker 7: I've been playing a lot of soprano lately. I don't,

1281
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:49,920
Speaker 7: I don't want to.

1282
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 2: I mean, gun to your head? What do you what's

1283
01:07:53,120 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 2: what's your acts? Because you have so many? Don't say

1284
01:07:59,400 --> 01:08:00,080
Speaker 2: with the sky.

1285
01:08:06,160 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 3: That one.

1286
01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:11,920
Speaker 7: But I've been playing a lot of soprano, probably the

1287
01:08:12,080 --> 01:08:18,439
Speaker 7: last maybe maybe four or five years. I've been playing

1288
01:08:18,479 --> 01:08:21,080
Speaker 7: a lot of soprano, a lot of sopran on Barry

1289
01:08:21,160 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 7: though I love you on Barry too, but that doesn't

1290
01:08:25,320 --> 01:08:25,840
Speaker 7: make me enough.

1291
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:28,920
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm gonna ask you. Okay, So here's the question

1292
01:08:29,040 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 2: I asked. So our particular sex player, Uh, Ian, Uh?

1293
01:08:35,400 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 2: What's Ian's last name?

1294
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:40,400
Speaker 3: And Hendrickson Smith Ian hendricks and Smith formerly of the

1295
01:08:40,439 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 3: Dad Kings. And so the thing is that Ian hates

1296
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 3: when I make him break out the soprano.

1297
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 2: He doesn't now for us, it's hilarious, but he hates

1298
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:56,960
Speaker 2: the sheen associated with the soprano. Well, I mean that,

1299
01:08:57,320 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 2: And you know it's almost like I guess the Unwritten

1300
01:09:01,479 --> 01:09:04,080
Speaker 2: rule is like after Coltrane.

1301
01:09:04,880 --> 01:09:08,160
Speaker 3: Okay, you know it's done with it?

1302
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 2: Who else wants to and more power Wayne Shorter, more

1303
01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:13,439
Speaker 2: power to you know, I know there are other greats

1304
01:09:13,479 --> 01:09:14,480
Speaker 2: that have touched.

1305
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:16,799
Speaker 7: I didn't like Coltrane's sound on soprano.

1306
01:09:16,960 --> 01:09:21,160
Speaker 3: You serious sound, You're you are one of a kind.

1307
01:09:21,439 --> 01:09:24,640
Speaker 7: I didn't like his sound on soprano. Tanna, He's my

1308
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 7: favorite all time, but soprano I didn't like. I didn't

1309
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:29,760
Speaker 7: like his tone on who did you like?

1310
01:09:29,840 --> 01:09:30,400
Speaker 3: On soprano?

1311
01:09:30,640 --> 01:09:31,519
Speaker 7: I like Wayne Shorter?

1312
01:09:31,600 --> 01:09:34,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, okay, so you feel the definitive sound of

1313
01:09:34,680 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 2: the soprano sacks is Wayne Short, but.

1314
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:40,479
Speaker 7: Not the definitive sound. I just his sound just connects

1315
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 7: with me more on soprano cold training because I think

1316
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,360
Speaker 7: he got if I remember correctly, that was something that

1317
01:09:47,680 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 7: was a gift from Miles, right, yes, yeah, so you

1318
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:52,280
Speaker 7: know he picked it up. I guess he was trying

1319
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:55,959
Speaker 7: to do something. But I wasn't crazy about his sound Sonically,

1320
01:09:56,040 --> 01:09:57,560
Speaker 7: his sound, I wasn't crazy about it.

1321
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,839
Speaker 3: What were you looking for, Leary?

1322
01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 7: I wasn't looking for anything. It just wasn't connecting me.

1323
01:10:03,680 --> 01:10:08,120
Speaker 7: It just sounded kind of no, not even contrived. I

1324
01:10:08,200 --> 01:10:10,600
Speaker 7: think he was sincere about what he was doing, but

1325
01:10:10,720 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 7: it just didn't sound it wasn't for me.

1326
01:10:14,080 --> 01:10:17,120
Speaker 3: That's so, what's your favorite period of COULTREYMN.

1327
01:10:17,520 --> 01:10:24,360
Speaker 7: Giant Steps, spiral or no, that the stuff when you

1328
01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 7: don't like the stuff when he started I mean I

1329
01:10:27,560 --> 01:10:32,000
Speaker 7: liked I mean the stuff when he started going out,

1330
01:10:32,080 --> 01:10:35,080
Speaker 7: it just got a little bit too out for me. Okay,

1331
01:10:35,800 --> 01:10:39,720
Speaker 7: but uh the era of Giant Steps before that, you know,

1332
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,880
Speaker 7: stuff he was doing in the sixties with Miles was.

1333
01:10:43,080 --> 01:10:45,240
Speaker 7: I loved all of that stuff. I mean, he had

1334
01:10:45,400 --> 01:10:48,479
Speaker 7: like a sound to me, he just had his sound

1335
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:49,400
Speaker 7: just connected.

1336
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 3: I remember, so, who's your sex guy then?

1337
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:58,000
Speaker 2: Because I just naturally assume that everyone worships the culture

1338
01:10:58,160 --> 01:10:58,720
Speaker 2: no matter what.

1339
01:10:59,120 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 7: Yeah, culture ain't no matter what.

1340
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:01,439
Speaker 3: I mean.

1341
01:11:02,520 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 7: I like Michael Brecker. He was like that cat to me.

1342
01:11:08,600 --> 01:11:10,240
Speaker 3: Song hero Okay, you know.

1343
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 7: I mean those two guys. I mean, there's just so

1344
01:11:14,680 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 7: many guys. I mean, I could go back to Dexter

1345
01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:21,040
Speaker 7: Garden and pres had his own sound. You know, this

1346
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:29,559
Speaker 7: smooth thing. Uh Bird was just Bird was fast. I mean, ah, man,

1347
01:11:30,080 --> 01:11:30,840
Speaker 7: Bird was just.

1348
01:11:32,400 --> 01:11:36,639
Speaker 2: So I don't know, Manka, So explain to me, because

1349
01:11:36,680 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 2: the thing is that you managed to capture the one

1350
01:11:41,120 --> 01:11:43,599
Speaker 2: the one thing I always hear about when uh An

1351
01:11:43,840 --> 01:11:48,439
Speaker 2: iconic solo is captured in the song. It's always the

1352
01:11:48,520 --> 01:11:52,280
Speaker 2: same story, and the story is okay, guys, I'm ready

1353
01:11:52,320 --> 01:11:52,640
Speaker 2: to cut it.

1354
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 3: Nope, we got it already. That was very much.

1355
01:11:56,880 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: I know that's your story. Yeah, but are you once

1356
01:12:02,560 --> 01:12:04,639
Speaker 2: did you know that you captured lightning in a bottle

1357
01:12:04,760 --> 01:12:07,839
Speaker 2: with your sexophone and solo carabing.

1358
01:12:08,320 --> 01:12:11,280
Speaker 7: No, no, that that I have to give credit to

1359
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 7: the producer, Keith Diamond at the time, because he was

1360
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:18,799
Speaker 7: the one that he knew pretty much what he wanted

1361
01:12:19,000 --> 01:12:19,720
Speaker 7: in terms of.

1362
01:12:21,200 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 3: The song, so we.

1363
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 7: Would just take sections because I mean, I went into

1364
01:12:27,240 --> 01:12:29,280
Speaker 7: the studio and I was just kind of trying to

1365
01:12:29,320 --> 01:12:31,439
Speaker 7: get a feel of what the song was, and they

1366
01:12:31,520 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 7: had the tape rolling. He told Bob Rosea to roll

1367
01:12:34,160 --> 01:12:36,720
Speaker 7: the tape while I was playing and I was in

1368
01:12:36,800 --> 01:12:38,760
Speaker 7: front of the mic. They were trying to get a sound.

1369
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:41,080
Speaker 7: So I said, okay, I think I got something, and

1370
01:12:41,120 --> 01:12:46,080
Speaker 7: then he said, no, come on in. I was just

1371
01:12:46,200 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 7: warming up.

1372
01:12:47,720 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 3: Let me just do a take of it.

1373
01:12:49,200 --> 01:12:53,439
Speaker 7: And no, No, that song, that song was pieces because

1374
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:56,160
Speaker 7: he had the whole tape rolling and he took pieces

1375
01:12:56,200 --> 01:12:58,720
Speaker 7: of what I played throughout the from the beginning of

1376
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,040
Speaker 7: the song to the end, I want you to play

1377
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:03,600
Speaker 7: this part here, and we just kind of constructed the

1378
01:13:03,720 --> 01:13:16,880
Speaker 7: solo and the and the interesting thing about it is

1379
01:13:17,000 --> 01:13:19,240
Speaker 7: like after that song blew up Man, I was getting

1380
01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 7: calls leg everybody and their mother was calling me and

1381
01:13:24,439 --> 01:13:27,320
Speaker 7: my friend Van. He said, yo, Jeff, you need to

1382
01:13:27,360 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 7: start charging people because I was under charging people. He said,

1383
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 7: you know your ship is hot, you need to get

1384
01:13:33,120 --> 01:13:37,040
Speaker 7: paid for it. So I just started charging people. Yeah,

1385
01:13:37,800 --> 01:13:39,080
Speaker 7: I ran up a lot more.

1386
01:13:41,280 --> 01:13:42,400
Speaker 3: Ste to this.

1387
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:48,679
Speaker 2: So when Billy Ocean finally agreed to come on the show,

1388
01:13:48,800 --> 01:13:54,160
Speaker 2: this is after six long years of begging, please come

1389
01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:58,240
Speaker 2: on the Tonight Show, Please please please Tonight Show. And

1390
01:13:58,960 --> 01:14:01,840
Speaker 2: he finally agrees to to the show, and we're losing

1391
01:14:01,920 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 2: our ship. And then I'm looking at Ian, our sax player,

1392
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:08,920
Speaker 2: and we were like, dude, you have to do it.

1393
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:16,720
Speaker 3: Note for fucking and do we spend two hours just

1394
01:14:16,840 --> 01:14:17,880
Speaker 3: singing that ship to him?

1395
01:14:18,200 --> 01:14:23,080
Speaker 5: I don't know that between that solo and Carolin's whisper.

1396
01:14:25,600 --> 01:14:29,280
Speaker 3: Here's the thing though, It's like I know.

1397
01:14:31,000 --> 01:14:35,800
Speaker 2: A lot of Tarik's lyrics. Tarik, you know, I mean,

1398
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:40,479
Speaker 2: Tarik will let me let me not misrepresent him. I

1399
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:46,000
Speaker 2: think the average person knows like can can retain like

1400
01:14:47,000 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 2: maybe seventy five songs or seventy those things. But it's

1401
01:14:52,200 --> 01:14:54,960
Speaker 2: just like, I mean, I know that song because I

1402
01:14:55,200 --> 01:14:57,559
Speaker 2: DJ it so much. I you know, watch TV.

1403
01:14:57,479 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 5: An American Americans who were born before eighty have to

1404
01:15:02,120 --> 01:15:02,720
Speaker 5: know that that.

1405
01:15:03,080 --> 01:15:06,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, she feels like like she means Chief is like deep,

1406
01:15:06,920 --> 01:15:09,639
Speaker 2: like he's like Doug carn He's free.

1407
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:14,080
Speaker 5: Jazz, jazz, boozie, jazz, boogie.

1408
01:15:13,840 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: Is like he's more avant garde. That's where his heart is.

1409
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,720
Speaker 2: I mean, he made his meat and potatoes as the

1410
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:20,400
Speaker 2: Dap King, so.

1411
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:22,040
Speaker 5: All that, Like you don't think it's boogie when you

1412
01:15:22,080 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 5: all know the solo Caribbean.

1413
01:15:24,120 --> 01:15:24,920
Speaker 3: No, no, no, you know it.

1414
01:15:25,040 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 2: But I don't think like any anybody that's on the

1415
01:15:28,240 --> 01:15:31,720
Speaker 2: Tonight Show now. Like again, my story is that I

1416
01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:34,000
Speaker 2: didn't grow up saying, hey, one day I'm gonna be

1417
01:15:34,080 --> 01:15:36,000
Speaker 2: the new Doc Severson of the Tonight Show.

1418
01:15:37,280 --> 01:15:40,320
Speaker 3: It just happened and I'm prepared for it.

1419
01:15:40,560 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 2: But part of the job of being on the Tonight

1420
01:15:44,479 --> 01:15:48,960
Speaker 2: Show is that you all the pop culture sponging that

1421
01:15:49,040 --> 01:15:52,479
Speaker 2: you've done your life, everything you've learned now gets utilized

1422
01:15:52,560 --> 01:15:53,040
Speaker 2: on the show.

1423
01:15:53,720 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 3: So I mean you know that solo. But it's like,

1424
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,120
Speaker 3: now you got to execute a perfect you.

1425
01:16:00,240 --> 01:16:00,719
Speaker 4: That's different.

1426
01:16:03,560 --> 01:16:05,360
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, that's no, that's.

1427
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:07,559
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1428
01:16:07,600 --> 01:16:08,760
Speaker 7: I love that little bit.

1429
01:16:09,000 --> 01:16:09,519
Speaker 3: Wait wait.

1430
01:16:27,479 --> 01:16:30,519
Speaker 2: You still when's the last time you had to play

1431
01:16:30,600 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 2: that still verbatim? Or don't tell me thirty five years

1432
01:16:35,000 --> 01:16:36,240
Speaker 2: ago after I did it?

1433
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:38,560
Speaker 7: That was it when I had to play it?

1434
01:16:39,360 --> 01:16:39,960
Speaker 2: Yes, I can't.

1435
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:44,000
Speaker 7: Oh no, no, no no. The only two times I

1436
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:48,280
Speaker 7: really played with him was one night the week the

1437
01:16:48,439 --> 01:16:51,599
Speaker 7: night he was on Saturday Night Live. He did two

1438
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 7: nights at Radio City. Those were the only times that

1439
01:16:54,400 --> 01:16:59,360
Speaker 7: I ever played with Billy, And ironically, the the last

1440
01:16:59,439 --> 01:17:02,400
Speaker 7: night that I him was when I lost the horn

1441
01:17:02,479 --> 01:17:05,360
Speaker 7: that that I had because we went out.

1442
01:17:05,479 --> 01:17:06,920
Speaker 3: You literally lost that horn.

1443
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 7: Let me tell you what happened after the show, you know,

1444
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:13,320
Speaker 7: because he sold out Radio City two nights. I sat

1445
01:17:13,400 --> 01:17:16,280
Speaker 7: him with him two nights. The second night we went

1446
01:17:16,400 --> 01:17:18,919
Speaker 7: and we after the show, we went to kind of celebrate,

1447
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,160
Speaker 7: you know, went up, got a couple of drinks. I

1448
01:17:22,280 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 7: went down into the after we were done, I went

1449
01:17:25,000 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 7: down into the garage to get my car. The guy

1450
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:35,320
Speaker 7: brought my car. My horn was in the back of

1451
01:17:35,479 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 7: the car. I didn't put it in the car. Yet

1452
01:17:38,120 --> 01:17:40,719
Speaker 7: I paid, went and paid for the car and drove

1453
01:17:40,800 --> 01:17:44,400
Speaker 7: off and left my horn. When I got home, I

1454
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:46,560
Speaker 7: looked in the trunk. I was like, oh shit, So

1455
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:48,840
Speaker 7: I went back to the garage. Of course, they didn't

1456
01:17:48,840 --> 01:17:55,360
Speaker 7: see nothing. They didn't see they didn't see nobody saw anything.

1457
01:17:55,439 --> 01:17:57,519
Speaker 7: And so the only time I ever see that horn

1458
01:17:57,880 --> 01:17:59,639
Speaker 7: for reruns of Saturday Night Live.

1459
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,080
Speaker 2: And if somewhere in life there's like some grandkid that

1460
01:18:04,160 --> 01:18:08,120
Speaker 2: got a saxophone for church, not knowing what they just got.

1461
01:18:08,520 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, well somebody, Yeah, Jesus Christ.

1462
01:18:12,439 --> 01:18:13,799
Speaker 4: I think she'd be in a black Sonian.

1463
01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 3: So Sondra, okay, so your journey is just as rich

1464
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:25,000
Speaker 3: as well. I tell you.

1465
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 2: We're not even going to get properly get to the

1466
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:30,080
Speaker 2: family stamp. This is almost like a nine part episode.

1467
01:18:34,320 --> 01:18:38,640
Speaker 2: How much pounding of the payment did you do in

1468
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: New York?

1469
01:18:39,680 --> 01:18:39,800
Speaker 4: Uh?

1470
01:18:41,240 --> 01:18:43,639
Speaker 2: Oh wait, can you wait one second please, we're getting

1471
01:18:43,640 --> 01:18:44,160
Speaker 2: a phone call.

1472
01:18:45,000 --> 01:18:45,519
Speaker 3: We're getting a.

1473
01:18:45,560 --> 01:18:50,080
Speaker 2: Phone call right now, James Harris the third, Yes, sir,

1474
01:18:51,040 --> 01:18:55,320
Speaker 2: how you doing. I'm currently right now taping an episode

1475
01:18:55,320 --> 01:18:56,320
Speaker 2: of Quest Love Supreme.

1476
01:18:56,960 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 3: Okay, I regret the form.

1477
01:18:59,200 --> 01:19:01,880
Speaker 2: You of this, and I've I've made a public I've

1478
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:05,080
Speaker 2: declared my loyalty, my allegiance to you since the history

1479
01:19:05,120 --> 01:19:08,680
Speaker 2: of my show. But but you are now officially in

1480
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:09,840
Speaker 2: second place.

1481
01:19:09,720 --> 01:19:21,000
Speaker 8: As you're you you've been, You've you've been.

1482
01:19:21,360 --> 01:19:25,719
Speaker 2: You've been demoted to second place because the Family Stand

1483
01:19:25,840 --> 01:19:28,040
Speaker 2: episode is the craziest thing I've.

1484
01:19:28,160 --> 01:19:31,160
Speaker 3: Heard in my life? Is that right?

1485
01:19:31,600 --> 01:19:35,160
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm currently right now with with v Jeffrey, Sounder's name,

1486
01:19:35,280 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 2: Victor and Peter and yeah, I have.

1487
01:19:38,600 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 3: To tell you that live on the air, that love

1488
01:19:42,800 --> 01:19:45,280
Speaker 3: you know that, thank you for giving me give me

1489
01:19:45,360 --> 01:19:56,000
Speaker 3: the hands up on Friends Radio. They're going to do yourself.

1490
01:19:56,080 --> 01:19:58,240
Speaker 7: Yes, I know, yeah, yeah, we want to come on you.

1491
01:19:59,800 --> 01:20:00,639
Speaker 6: More sympathy love.

1492
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:06,120
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, this is the craziest the stories I've heard. It's,

1493
01:20:06,640 --> 01:20:09,200
Speaker 2: you know, like we're very organized, we're going to chronological

1494
01:20:09,400 --> 01:20:09,880
Speaker 2: order now.

1495
01:20:10,040 --> 01:20:11,479
Speaker 3: It's just going all over the place.

1496
01:20:12,680 --> 01:20:13,519
Speaker 9: I can't wait to hear it.

1497
01:20:13,600 --> 01:20:15,720
Speaker 2: Man, yes, man, anyway, I just want to let you

1498
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:17,559
Speaker 2: know you're number two, but you're still number one.

1499
01:20:17,560 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 3: But you're number two, you know, would you say number one?

1500
01:20:22,320 --> 01:20:23,920
Speaker 3: I'm still number one as a solo acto.

1501
01:20:24,160 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 2: Yes, thank you.

1502
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,280
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna get my category.

1503
01:20:30,200 --> 01:20:32,519
Speaker 2: Together, all right, You're still the number one solo Act

1504
01:20:32,560 --> 01:20:33,400
Speaker 2: on Quest Love Supreme.

1505
01:20:33,479 --> 01:20:44,720
Speaker 3: Think perfect, Okay, all right, bro, all right, God'll.

1506
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 2: Hold up, hold up, wait a minute, all right, you

1507
01:20:46,600 --> 01:20:49,439
Speaker 2: know when you hear my voice, sorry you're disappointed, but

1508
01:20:49,479 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to wait seven more days to get

1509
01:20:53,520 --> 01:20:57,320
Speaker 2: This is beyond team this is this is wow. I

1510
01:20:57,400 --> 01:21:01,439
Speaker 2: can't even describe what you're experiencing right now. I think

1511
01:21:01,560 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 2: this is probably shaping up to be one of.

1512
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:04,520
Speaker 3: My favorite episodes.

1513
01:21:04,520 --> 01:21:06,360
Speaker 2: And I know I went on record to say that

1514
01:21:06,479 --> 01:21:09,960
Speaker 2: Jimmy jam had the absolute best episode of Quest Love Supreme.

1515
01:21:10,600 --> 01:21:13,200
Speaker 2: But this might be neck and neck. I don't know.

1516
01:21:13,240 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to ask the rest of the Team Supreme.

1517
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:18,560
Speaker 2: So please join us next week for part two of

1518
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:21,520
Speaker 2: this legend already legendary classic.

1519
01:21:21,320 --> 01:21:24,880
Speaker 3: Instant classic episode of the family stand on Quest Love.

1520
01:21:24,800 --> 01:21:33,320
Speaker 1: Subprime, Quest Love Supreme. It's a production of iHeartRadio.

1521
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 2: For more podcasts from iHeart Radio, visit the iHeartRadio app,

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