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Speaker 1: the course of time. They have an ability to turn

431
00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:59,439
Speaker 1: those picks and the players, unlike some of the franchises

432
00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:01,400
Speaker 1: that we talked about, that we see trying and execute

433
00:20:01,400 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 1: these moves. That's a great call. Um. I want to

434
00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:06,159
Speaker 1: just mention here real quick, and again, some trades might

435
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:07,920
Speaker 1: pop up later on in the episode and what we'll

436
00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 1: we'll break those down. But I do feel like there's

437
00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:13,840
Speaker 1: one team that has to make a move, and so

438
00:20:13,840 --> 00:20:15,920
Speaker 1: far they haven't. We'll see if they do, but I

439
00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:17,800
Speaker 1: I feel like the Green Bay Packers have got to

440
00:20:17,840 --> 00:20:20,320
Speaker 1: do something here. I mean, this is the end of

441
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,400
Speaker 1: the run here for Aaron Rodgers. This is the last

442
00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:26,080
Speaker 1: year two for him to be in that championship window.

443
00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:28,560
Speaker 1: And you know, buck, when you're young and you're driving

444
00:20:28,560 --> 00:20:31,640
Speaker 1: and you you're trying to push it and you realize that, man,

445
00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 1: I'm running out of gas, and and you say, okay,

446
00:20:33,840 --> 00:20:34,960
Speaker 1: if I have a long way to go to the

447
00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:37,159
Speaker 1: gas station. We've all been there, but you turn the

448
00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:39,800
Speaker 1: air conditioning off. You kind of just whatever I gotta

449
00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,040
Speaker 1: do to see if I can even make it to

450
00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:44,560
Speaker 1: that gas station. Like they need to pull out all

451
00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 1: the stops. This is the end of that window. Who

452
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:48,520
Speaker 1: knows when their next window is coming. It might be

453
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,920
Speaker 1: twenty years before they find themselves with a quarterback and

454
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:56,280
Speaker 1: a team that's championship worthy. They're close. Um, you still

455
00:20:56,320 --> 00:20:59,320
Speaker 1: look at that defense, there's some good pieces there. Um,

456
00:20:59,440 --> 00:21:01,480
Speaker 1: you've got Aaron Rodgers. This is the last two years.

457
00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:03,560
Speaker 1: You've gotta try. Whether or not it works or not.

458
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 1: I just feel like you owe it to your team

459
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,639
Speaker 1: and to your fans into your city to at least

460
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:10,240
Speaker 1: try to do something to help this team. Well, I mean, look,

461
00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:11,840
Speaker 1: I think it's fairly obviously that they don't have a

462
00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:14,320
Speaker 1: number one receiver on the perimeter. And even though Romeo

463
00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,160
Speaker 1: Devis did a good job of playing better uh at

464
00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 1: the position the other night against the Buffalo Bills, they

465
00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 1: still need a marquee play. You can't count on Sammy

466
00:21:21,920 --> 00:21:24,680
Speaker 1: Watkins because he's been hurt like he's been throughout most

467
00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:27,159
Speaker 1: of his career. Round the cob is also unavailable and

468
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,240
Speaker 1: he's not a number one receiver. The rest of the

469
00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,760
Speaker 1: guys are youngsters and newbies trying to make their way.

470
00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 1: And so if you're the Green Bay Packers, even though

471
00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:36,719
Speaker 1: I believe you, look, Brandon Cooks would be fine there

472
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,800
Speaker 1: because I think Brandon Cooks is one He's a speed demon.

473
00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:42,040
Speaker 1: Still at his age, he has the ability to give

474
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: them something that they don't have, someone that can take

475
00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 1: the top off the coverage. And for someone who has

476
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,760
Speaker 1: been traded a ton, he finds a way to go

477
00:21:49,800 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: to his new destination and make an immediate impact, and

478
00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,640
Speaker 1: so he would be a nice fit for them, and

479
00:21:56,720 --> 00:21:59,400
Speaker 1: he would give them an opportunity to kind of transition

480
00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:02,120
Speaker 1: while they're waiting for the young guys to develop maybe

481
00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,760
Speaker 1: later in the year, but they need a solid number

482
00:22:04,760 --> 00:22:07,840
Speaker 1: one receiver who can make the catches dead are dad

483
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:10,120
Speaker 1: to be made when Aaron Rodgers are looking to throw.

484
00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 1: Even though I believe this team still needs to run

485
00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:16,000
Speaker 1: the offense through Aaron Jones and a J. Dillon, at

486
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:18,280
Speaker 1: some point they have to have some credible weapons on

487
00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,879
Speaker 1: the outside to be able to win games. If not,

488
00:22:21,520 --> 00:22:25,560
Speaker 1: you are wasting the twilight of Aaron Rodgers career. Yeah,

489
00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:27,520
Speaker 1: I just wouldn't want to be sitting in the offseason

490
00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:30,960
Speaker 1: knowing that, Okay, it's over that you know, Rogers is retired,

491
00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,560
Speaker 1: and you left a couple you know, bullets in your gun,

492
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,200
Speaker 1: so to speak. You didn't really try everything to try

493
00:22:37,200 --> 00:22:41,119
Speaker 1: and exhaust your opportunity to maybe squeak one more championship

494
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,399
Speaker 1: out during that window, because again, you know, you can

495
00:22:43,440 --> 00:22:44,919
Speaker 1: sit there and say, Okay, we're just gonna start the

496
00:22:44,920 --> 00:22:47,480
Speaker 1: retooling process. There's no guarantee that's gonna happen in the

497
00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 1: next decade um, you know. So I don't know, I

498
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,200
Speaker 1: feel like they're close They're close right now. They owe

499
00:22:53,240 --> 00:22:55,000
Speaker 1: it to uh owe it to everybody to make a

500
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: run for it. What do you think of that game?

501
00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: Last night? Wasn't the most aesthetically pleasing game the Browns

502
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:03,560
Speaker 1: and kocking off the Bengals thirty two to thirteen. Uh,

503
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,800
Speaker 1: life without Jamaar Chase not too kind there for the Bengals. No,

504
00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:08,200
Speaker 1: it's not too kind of for the Bengals. But I'm

505
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:10,399
Speaker 1: a focus on the Browns first, because when I was

506
00:23:10,440 --> 00:23:14,480
Speaker 1: watching the game, I said to myself, what took so long? Like,

507
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:16,879
Speaker 1: what took so long for Kevin Stefanski to realize that?

508
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,879
Speaker 1: You know what? I should run the office through Nick Chubb.

509
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb should be the focal point. Nick Shubb should

510
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:25,960
Speaker 1: get twenty five or so touches. I need to give

511
00:23:25,960 --> 00:23:28,040
Speaker 1: it to him in a variety of ways. Whether it's

512
00:23:28,080 --> 00:23:29,359
Speaker 1: a hand it to him, I give it to him

513
00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,280
Speaker 1: in the wildcat. However, I need to get the ball

514
00:23:32,320 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: to Nick Chubb. Nick Chubb should be the guy. And

515
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,760
Speaker 1: maybe because they didn't play on Sunday, I'm guessing that

516
00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:40,440
Speaker 1: maybe Kevin Stefanski was flipping the channels and he happened

517
00:23:40,480 --> 00:23:42,480
Speaker 1: to catch a glimpse of the Tennessee Titans, and he

518
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:44,960
Speaker 1: happened to see Derrick Henry touched the ball a ton

519
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:48,919
Speaker 1: and playing with Malik Willis, who looked only fastball ten times.

520
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:51,640
Speaker 1: He was saying, you know, maybe that recipe will work

521
00:23:51,680 --> 00:23:54,520
Speaker 1: for us. We have an A level running back. Maybe

522
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,439
Speaker 1: we should just try and exhaust him and give him

523
00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:58,679
Speaker 1: as many carries as he can and see what it

524
00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: looks like. And when they did that, low and behold,

525
00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,440
Speaker 1: the passing game opened up. Marie Cooper's wide open catching

526
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:08,399
Speaker 1: the ball over the field. You see Donovan People's jones

527
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,040
Speaker 1: make plays. All of a sudden, Jacobe were set actually

528
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,639
Speaker 1: looking like a high functioning starter. So I don't know

529
00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: why it took so long for the Cleveland Browns to

530
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:19,879
Speaker 1: discover that they have one of the best runners in

531
00:24:19,920 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 1: football and debt they're better when they feed him. But

532
00:24:22,720 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 1: I would say, maybe, Kevin Savanski, you stick with that

533
00:24:25,480 --> 00:24:28,880
Speaker 1: plan even when Deshaun Watson comes back in a few weeks. Yeah.

534
00:24:28,880 --> 00:24:32,040
Speaker 1: It's the business card slash receipt offense. Right, we talked

535
00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,800
Speaker 1: about it. This is uh, this is all you need.

536
00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:35,639
Speaker 1: That's that's your play sheet if you're the Browns, and

537
00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:37,679
Speaker 1: it should not be bigger than this little business card. Right,

538
00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:41,960
Speaker 1: it shouldn't be that hard turn around. Give it to

539
00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: that dude, That's that's the way to go. We try

540
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:45,920
Speaker 1: to tell him, We tried to tell him that weeks ago. Man,

541
00:24:45,960 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 1: they're finally they're finally buying in. Um. You know, look

542
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 1: the Bengals buck don't look at they they don't look right, man.

543
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: And now DJ they don't look right. And I don't

544
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: know if they're going to get right because I don't

545
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,560
Speaker 1: know if they're willing to change based on what they have. Meaning.

546
00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,840
Speaker 1: We always talk about the first month of the season

547
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,560
Speaker 1: being a bit of the preseason where you're trying to

548
00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:09,399
Speaker 1: figure your team out. The month of October is that

549
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: discovery and then the realization, Hey, here's who I thought

550
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna be. We're not that this is a team

551
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 1: that we are. Let's start leaning into the strengths of

552
00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 1: the team. As much as the Cincinnati Beings want to

553
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 1: put everything on Joe Burrow right now, they don't have

554
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:25,680
Speaker 1: the ability to do that because their offensive line isn't

555
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 1: good enough. So Zach Taylor has to look at this

556
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,440
Speaker 1: team and figure out how can I get the ball

557
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,359
Speaker 1: to my playmakers without exposing my offensive line, because the

558
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 1: way that the Cleveland Browns absolutely toward them up in

559
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:42,240
Speaker 1: the trenches, they cannot they cannot continue to go five

560
00:25:42,320 --> 00:25:45,280
Speaker 1: out in or route and allow Joe Burrow to take

561
00:25:45,280 --> 00:25:48,359
Speaker 1: the beating that he's taken. And so whatever that looks like,

562
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,680
Speaker 1: whether it's a quicker than passing game where there's more

563
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:54,200
Speaker 1: Joe mix and running the football, they cannot allow the

564
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:56,600
Speaker 1: the the opponent to dictate the terms the way the

565
00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns were able to do it. And so it's

566
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:00,560
Speaker 1: on Zach Taylor and the staff to figure out because

567
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 1: what they put out last night certainly wasn't good enough

568
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: to get this team back into the postseason, let alone

569
00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,400
Speaker 1: make another postseason a title run. Yeah, and going back

570
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:11,520
Speaker 1: to the Browns here, real quick hat tip to amari Cooper,

571
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:13,919
Speaker 1: who's continuing to play at a very high level. They

572
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: got him the football and look, we'll see what happens

573
00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: when Deshaun Watson gets in there. But that's somebody who's numbers.

574
00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:22,800
Speaker 1: You're gonna see a lot more games like that from

575
00:26:22,800 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 1: a Mariy Cooper five for a buck, thirty one and

576
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,280
Speaker 1: a touchdown. Um, he's really been one of the more

577
00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,400
Speaker 1: underrated receivers, which is hard to do when you're playing

578
00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:33,400
Speaker 1: for the Dallas Cowboys previously. But he's he's a really,

579
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: really good football player. Had nice game last night. All

580
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,679
Speaker 1: right're gonna take a quick break. We come back. We're

581
00:26:37,680 --> 00:26:41,359
Speaker 1: gonna have a fascinating discussion here on pass rush, evaluating

582
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:44,119
Speaker 1: guys for the draft, college players and how difficult it

583
00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: is to get to the quarterback at that level. We're

584
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:52,720
Speaker 1: gonna break that down right after the break. NFL Plus

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Speaker 1: trial of NFL Plus today. All right, DJ, I know

593
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,440
Speaker 1: you are always looking at the college game, and sometimes

594
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,879
Speaker 1: you have some things that catch your eye, and so

595
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 1: you put out a tweet talking about the pass rush

596
00:27:26,680 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: in the college game and how quarterbacks and off as

597
00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:32,360
Speaker 1: a coordinators are avoiding the big time pass rushers by

598
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,840
Speaker 1: getting the ball out quick expand on that. Yeah, I

599
00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:37,640
Speaker 1: was talking to a coach at a big time program

600
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:39,720
Speaker 1: and we were talking about, you know, one of their players,

601
00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,760
Speaker 1: and we're talking pass rush, and he brought up a

602
00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: great point and something I don't know that we've talked

603
00:27:44,480 --> 00:27:47,120
Speaker 1: a lot about. He just said, you know, looking at

604
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 1: sacks for college players now, especially if you have a

605
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,639
Speaker 1: premier player or a premier group, like your premier defense.

606
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,680
Speaker 1: You think about I wrote down like Clemson, Alabama, Georgia,

607
00:27:56,920 --> 00:28:00,760
Speaker 1: Ohio State, those teams you're playing against. Those teams have

608
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 1: so altered their game plan to play against those great

609
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 1: players or those great fronts, which is they are going

610
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: to bubble screen you. They're gonna quit game you, they're

611
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:11,879
Speaker 1: gonna move the part they're they're gonna do whatever they

612
00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:13,639
Speaker 1: can to get the ball out of the quarterbacks hand. Now,

613
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:15,720
Speaker 1: if they don't move the football and it's a punt

614
00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:18,120
Speaker 1: fest and they're not scoring points, they're fine with that.

615
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:20,439
Speaker 1: They're just trying to avoid getting their teeth kicked in

616
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:23,640
Speaker 1: and having turnovers and sacks and fumbles and all those things.

617
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:26,479
Speaker 1: So they are just getting the ball out. Um. And

618
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,680
Speaker 1: so I started looking at a player I thought would

619
00:28:28,680 --> 00:28:30,560
Speaker 1: be fascinating in this discussion was a guy like Will

620
00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: Anderson who came into the fall. I thought he was

621
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:35,600
Speaker 1: the best player in the country last year, and he's

622
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 1: got six sacks right now, Buck, But he's coming off

623
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,840
Speaker 1: a year he had seventeen and a half, so maybe

624
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,600
Speaker 1: his numbers are a little bit off pace. But when

625
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:45,520
Speaker 1: I went and looked at the the PFF numbers, and

626
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: we talk a lot about you know, win rate, pressure

627
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,320
Speaker 1: percentage of those things, you know, his win rate is

628
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,680
Speaker 1: actually up, meaning he's beating the guy in front of

629
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:55,080
Speaker 1: him eighteen point two percent of the time this year

630
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,640
Speaker 1: versus sixteen point six last year. His pressure percentage is

631
00:28:58,680 --> 00:29:01,280
Speaker 1: slightly down from seventeen point forward to sixteen point two.

632
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:04,520
Speaker 1: But that's somebody that you know, in the college game,

633
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: you're you're overmatched when you're playing against a guy like that.

634
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:10,200
Speaker 1: So you're gonna come into that game with a game

635
00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: plan that is a Will Anderson game plan. Um. So

636
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,760
Speaker 1: I just think kind of the uh, the lazy analysis

637
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,880
Speaker 1: or the lazy scouting of just being beholden to to

638
00:29:21,040 --> 00:29:23,160
Speaker 1: sack numbers right now in the college game, I think

639
00:29:23,160 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: you've got to get out of that mode. Yeah, And

640
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 1: I think It's gonna be interesting because I think it

641
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:28,720
Speaker 1: would have a ripple effect on the way that we

642
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: evaluate players and maybe even the way that we prioritized players.

643
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:34,040
Speaker 1: A couple of things. When it comes to pass rushers,

644
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Speaker 1: I think now we may fall back into the thing

645
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:41,120
Speaker 1: where we're looking at prototypical traits over production, meaning when

646
00:29:41,120 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 1: you look at your pass rushers, you're gonna look at

647
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: the traits that you can assess. Maybe some of those

648
00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: traits are assessed in workhouts, uh Tin yard dash to

649
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: be able to look at their physical demensions when it

650
00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,880
Speaker 1: comes to arm length and those things we talked about

651
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 1: the three con and some of the various testing those

652
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: things were factored in. You will look at the tape.

653
00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:02,800
Speaker 1: Obviously you begin to see do they appear they have

654
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 1: a toolbox that could give them an opportunity to develop

655
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,960
Speaker 1: into a high end pass rusher at the next level,

656
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: But it may be a little more projection more so

657
00:30:12,560 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: than a proven product at this point. The other thing,

658
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 1: when we look at it, I think about a guy

659
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 1: like Wink Martin Neal, who was the defense coordinated for

660
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 1: the Baltimore Ravens. He's defense coordinated now for the New

661
00:30:24,160 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: York giants, and he has always prioritized corners and coverage

662
00:30:29,280 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: over pass rushers because he feels like he can create

663
00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: the pass rush through scheming. And so now do we

664
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 1: see a little bit of a turn in front offices

665
00:30:38,760 --> 00:30:40,800
Speaker 1: when you have the coaches and the scouts get together

666
00:30:41,040 --> 00:30:43,160
Speaker 1: in terms of, Hey, I don't know if I can

667
00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:46,360
Speaker 1: evaluate what these pass rushers are. So how about you

668
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 1: give me great corners where we can lock up and

669
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:52,080
Speaker 1: play sticky coverage, and then I can manufacture the pass

670
00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,320
Speaker 1: rush with talented athletes that I put in the right

671
00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: situation to give them one on one opportunities to get

672
00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: up to the passage. Yeah, it's interesting, man, I you know,

673
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 1: I've always been a front to back guy. People think

674
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:07,160
Speaker 1: about those two different philosophies. I've you know, always just man,

675
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:08,800
Speaker 1: if you just have the horses up front. I know

676
00:31:08,880 --> 00:31:10,640
Speaker 1: there's teams in Belichick has been part of that with

677
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 1: having having uh, you know, coverage and then building that,

678
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 1: you know, top to bottom. But I think you make

679
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,440
Speaker 1: a compelling case there. I think there's something to be

680
00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: said for that ideal world you have both um, but

681
00:31:19,960 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 1: I think it is it does make evaluating that a

682
00:31:22,000 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: little trickier. I think you want to see the ability

683
00:31:24,000 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 1: to beat the guy in front of you. I think

684
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,640
Speaker 1: you want to see those traits that you mentioned. Can

685
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: you win with speed? Can you win with power even

686
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 1: if the ball is gone? Uh, that's why you know

687
00:31:31,960 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 1: it's efficient and you can do it. But like, let's

688
00:31:34,360 --> 00:31:37,840
Speaker 1: just get in obvious passing situations. Cut up the video

689
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,800
Speaker 1: that way. Every third and seven plus, I'm gonna watch

690
00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: this guy every snap for the whole season, third and

691
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 1: seven plus, and I'm just gonna see does he win?

692
00:31:45,080 --> 00:31:47,240
Speaker 1: The ball might be gone, they might be rolling the pocket,

693
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: But can he beat the guy in front of him?

694
00:31:48,680 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: Does he have get off? Does he have power? Those

695
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,360
Speaker 1: are the things you're gonna have to evaluate the ability

696
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 1: to finish and get guys on the ground. Maybe you're

697
00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 1: not gonna see quite as much of that as as

698
00:31:58,240 --> 00:31:59,880
Speaker 1: we've seen in the past. It you know, it was

699
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: it was just fasting when he said that. He said,

700
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:04,080
Speaker 1: it's never been harder to sack the quarterback in college

701
00:32:04,080 --> 00:32:06,120
Speaker 1: than it is right now. You know, it's funny, DJ,

702
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:08,520
Speaker 1: because you you pointed out something that's really really important

703
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 1: when it comes to evaluating pass rushers getting the quarterback down.

704
00:32:12,600 --> 00:32:15,120
Speaker 1: You you came up in an air when Ben Roethlisberger

705
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:17,320
Speaker 1: was kind of like the measuring stick because of the

706
00:32:17,360 --> 00:32:20,240
Speaker 1: division that you were scouting in Pittsburgh still is you

707
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,360
Speaker 1: had a big quarterback, can your pass rusher, your potential

708
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,040
Speaker 1: pass rushing prospect, can he take Big Ben down? Because

709
00:32:27,080 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 1: if you can't get Big Ben down, then what are

710
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:31,600
Speaker 1: we doing? And so we are going to miss out

711
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 1: on that because we have all seen a bunch of

712
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:36,920
Speaker 1: pass rushers coming to the league who are kings or

713
00:32:36,960 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: the masses of the near misses. They get around the hump,

714
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: but for whatever reason they reach and grab, they can't

715
00:32:42,840 --> 00:32:45,920
Speaker 1: pull the guy down. And so now it becomes a

716
00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,520
Speaker 1: little more subjective, a little more of a projection when

717
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: you're looking at it. And so what we may see

718
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 1: are more misss at the top of the board when

719
00:32:54,920 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 1: it comes to pass rushers because we may not have

720
00:32:57,360 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 1: enough information to fully evaluate who the best pass rushing

721
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,000
Speaker 1: prospects are compared to the way that it used to

722
00:33:05,040 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 1: be three or four or five years ago when the

723
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,360
Speaker 1: ball didn't come out as fast at the collegiate level.

724
00:33:09,600 --> 00:33:11,480
Speaker 1: No doubt, it's just a different it's a different game

725
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 1: at a different time, and you've got to adjust as

726
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:16,280
Speaker 1: an evaluator. I mentioned at the top and we mentioned

727
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:17,960
Speaker 1: those two trades that we're going to keep an eye

728
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:19,920
Speaker 1: on social media and see if there's any other trade

729
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: that came down. Well, um, I made the case. I

730
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: made the argument there is a team in the NFC

731
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,320
Speaker 1: North that needs to make a trade, no excuses, go

732
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: for it, make it happen, and go get a receiver

733
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,520
Speaker 1: and lo and behold, Buck, a team in the NFC

734
00:33:33,560 --> 00:33:36,320
Speaker 1: North has made a trade as we speak right now

735
00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: for a wide receiver. We'll tell you who it is

736
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: after the breaks. Spoiler alert, it ain't the Packers. We'll

737
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: be right back alright, Buck. I teased it. I mentioned

738
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: that there was a trade. There's a receiver trade, and

739
00:33:50,840 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: it involved in NFC North team. It is not the

740
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: Green Bay Packers, not yet, at least, we'll see if

741
00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:58,560
Speaker 1: they do something before the deadline hits. You might be

742
00:33:58,680 --> 00:34:00,920
Speaker 1: listening to this and maybe they have done something at

743
00:34:00,960 --> 00:34:04,200
Speaker 1: that point in time. But it's actually Chicago Bears, who

744
00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 1: have been active sellers. All of a sudden they turned

745
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,359
Speaker 1: to buyers. They trade a second round pick next year

746
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: for Chase Claypool wide receiver from the Pittsburgh Steelers. What's

747
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:15,080
Speaker 1: your immediate reaction on this one? You know, I really

748
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,560
Speaker 1: like it. I looking for a few different reasons, and

749
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,319
Speaker 1: it all centers around the quarterback. When you look at

750
00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:23,720
Speaker 1: how the Bears have started to evolve offensively the last

751
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,280
Speaker 1: three weeks, it has been more design quarterback runs, really

752
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:31,879
Speaker 1: leaning into the overall running game, where you are kind

753
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,439
Speaker 1: of building a rough and rugged team that has built

754
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,640
Speaker 1: on effort and toughness running the ball and your quarterback

755
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: being able to be a big part of that. And

756
00:34:39,680 --> 00:34:42,239
Speaker 1: then in the passing game, what you're doing is, I

757
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: recognize Justin Field's immense talents and potential as a quarterback,

758
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,000
Speaker 1: but he also has some deficiencies, and one of that

759
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: his ball placement. And so what do you do with

760
00:34:50,800 --> 00:34:53,520
Speaker 1: a quarterback who's inaccurate? You try and surround them with

761
00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: big body playmakers who can expand the strike zone form.

762
00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: And so now you have to kill Harry. You have

763
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: chase a pool. You have two big bid the receivers

764
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 1: that can go and get the ball when it's a

765
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: little wayward, while also being committed and willing to sacrifice

766
00:35:08,440 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: their bodies. In the run game, you have to make

767
00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 1: sure that your receivers match the philosophy of how you

768
00:35:13,840 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 1: want to play Chase Claypool and to kill Harry they

769
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: matched at and you still have Darnielle Moody who's able

770
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 1: to make plays over the middle of the field. We

771
00:35:22,040 --> 00:35:24,000
Speaker 1: talk about teams find their identity. I think that is

772
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:25,920
Speaker 1: the identity right now for the Bears. They want to

773
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: be a big, physical bully. That's kind of the brand

774
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:30,960
Speaker 1: of football they want to play. And Claypool can put

775
00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:33,440
Speaker 1: you in a bind because now all of a sudden,

776
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: you've got some quarterback run game cranked up, You've got

777
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:37,759
Speaker 1: your running backs going, and now you want to bring

778
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: Claypool down in You want to play him kind of

779
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,200
Speaker 1: snug in their buck and teams say, okay, well we're

780
00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:43,959
Speaker 1: gonna try and match big on big, and we're gonna

781
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: put kind of our big nickel out there, and Claypool

782
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: can then widen out run by you. Um, you're gonna

783
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 1: put a little corner on him outside he comes back down,

784
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: he's gonna maul him, and it's gonna give Justin Fields

785
00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:55,520
Speaker 1: a short corner to get out the gate in the

786
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: run game as well. So I think it makes a

787
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,479
Speaker 1: lot of sense for them. I think it goes back

788
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: to what we talked about earlier. When we think about

789
00:36:01,840 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: where the Pittsburgh Steelers are as an organization, a team

790
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 1: that is not used to losing like this, gonna end

791
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: up with a top ten pick. An offensive line is

792
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:12,040
Speaker 1: in bad shape. Um, you know we we talked about

793
00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: the Lions, you know, trading Hockinson so they could get

794
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 1: resources to maybe fix their defense and get better upfront.

795
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: I think when you look at the Pittsburgh Steelers, when

796
00:36:20,200 --> 00:36:22,399
Speaker 1: they look at helping Kenny Pickett developed, and we talked

797
00:36:22,400 --> 00:36:25,880
Speaker 1: about the pas, the playmakers, the protection, the play caller,

798
00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:29,839
Speaker 1: I think between playmakers and protection, it's protection that they

799
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: need to address. You're gonna get George Pickens even more targets.

800
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: Now he's gonna be able to take some of that

801
00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:36,960
Speaker 1: load that Claypool leaves behind. And I think they think

802
00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:39,680
Speaker 1: that's a good thing. Still got Deonte Johnson, they feel

803
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:42,400
Speaker 1: okay about weapons. They they're terrible up front of the

804
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:44,840
Speaker 1: offensive line, and you get a second round pick. You

805
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: might be in a position with that second round pick

806
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: to get one of the top two or three interior

807
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: offensive lineman the entire draft. So this is a chance

808
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: for them to kind of reallocate their resources, so to speak. Yeah,

809
00:36:55,040 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 1: the reallocating the resources are very important. But let me

810
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: also say this about Chase Claypool and some of the

811
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:03,720
Speaker 1: other players. I don't know if those guys are true

812
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 1: what we call stealers when you think about the brand

813
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: and the toughness and what the Steelers represent or whatever.

814
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if those guys are doing a little

815
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,399
Speaker 1: a little shoy, little flamboyant and those things. I don't

816
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: know if we lost some of that doing the Kilobe

817
00:37:17,200 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: area with Ben Roethlisberger, Levan Bill and a b and

818
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: some of the other guys. But the essence of the

819
00:37:22,640 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 1: Steelers are like a hard nosed, gritty team, and I

820
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 1: don't know if some of the players that are currently

821
00:37:28,640 --> 00:37:32,000
Speaker 1: on the roster necessarily fit that. I think in moving

822
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: Claypool out, it gives them an opportunity to reset the

823
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:38,120
Speaker 1: culture of the locker room while also beginning to fortify

824
00:37:38,239 --> 00:37:40,680
Speaker 1: the protection in front of Kenny Pickett. Because Kenny Pickett

825
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: is the future. You need to make sure you surrounded

826
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: with the right guys to get back with Laye steal

827
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: the football, no doubt. Um, I'm still again, I'm a

828
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 1: little PERPLEXI we I've not seen a Brandon Cooks trade yet.

829
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,560
Speaker 1: I'm still thinking that's going to eventually happen. I think

830
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:54,000
Speaker 1: Houston probably has to eat some of that money. But

831
00:37:54,040 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: as right now, we do not have anything on that

832
00:37:56,160 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: front to talk about. And this is gonna be, uh,

833
00:37:58,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: you know, a fun discussion by because you wrote a

834
00:38:00,560 --> 00:38:03,680
Speaker 1: great article on top five game records. You can find

835
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:06,880
Speaker 1: that on NFL dot com. Looking at some defensive players

836
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:08,799
Speaker 1: that are just a nightmare to deal with. I'd love

837
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:10,480
Speaker 1: to know who you had number one on that list.

838
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:12,959
Speaker 1: You know, dj so in thinking about game wreckers because

839
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: we always talked about it. Um you talked about early

840
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,880
Speaker 1: in the episode. We talked about building it from front

841
00:38:17,960 --> 00:38:21,360
Speaker 1: to back. And the toughest defenses to face are the

842
00:38:21,360 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 1: ones that can create chaos and disruption at the point

843
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: of attack. So I'm thinking about the game records. You're

844
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 1: thinking about guys who not only against the pass, but

845
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,680
Speaker 1: against the run. They're completely disruptive, meaning they create tackles

846
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:35,760
Speaker 1: for loss, sacks, penetration, to get their hands on the football,

847
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 1: to do a lot of things. So right now, to me,

848
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: the best defensive player in football is Michael Parsons, So

849
00:38:41,000 --> 00:38:42,960
Speaker 1: I had him number one. On my list and part

850
00:38:43,000 --> 00:38:45,680
Speaker 1: of the reason why he's number one is because he

851
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: is a unicorn. Now we throw that term around a

852
00:38:48,880 --> 00:38:52,000
Speaker 1: lot about someone being one of one, but this dude

853
00:38:52,080 --> 00:38:55,040
Speaker 1: legitimately is one of one. You don't see an inside

854
00:38:55,080 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 1: linebacker who has all pro caliber sutheline the sideline playmaking skills,

855
00:38:59,800 --> 00:39:02,359
Speaker 1: but it is also capable of being an all Pro

856
00:39:02,520 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 1: caliber defensive end. That's Michael Parsons. No matter where he aligns,

857
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Speaker 1: he is going to absolutely wrecked shop on the people

858
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Speaker 1: that are in front of him, and he cannot be

859
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Speaker 1: contained or neutralized. One of the reasons why the Cowboys

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Speaker 1: defense has played great defense the last two years is

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Speaker 1: because number eleven is always around the ball, and when

862
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Speaker 1: he gets around the ball, he gets there with bad intentions.

863
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Speaker 1: He sets the tone but his defense, which is why

864
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Speaker 1: the Cowboys are playing really, really well. Yeah, I don't

865
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Speaker 1: think there's any surprises looking at the rest of your

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Speaker 1: top five here when you see Aaron Donald, Chris Jones,

867
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Speaker 1: those are two and three, and then at number five

868
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Speaker 1: Max Crosby. Maybe for some folks it might be surprised.

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Speaker 1: At number four on the list, and that's Matt Judon.

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Speaker 1: Uh for the Patriots. But what is it about Matt

871
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Speaker 1: Judon that makes him such a game record book? You know?

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Speaker 1: So it's funny DJ. When the Patriots signed Matt Judon

873
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Speaker 1: coming from Baltimore, I didn't really know how good Matt

874
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Speaker 1: Judon was because we've seen so many guys come out

875
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Speaker 1: of the Patriots system and not the Patriot of the

876
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Speaker 1: Ravens system, who have kind of benefited from the scheming

877
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Speaker 1: that the Ravens do to create easy opportunities. Well, Matt

878
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Speaker 1: Judon just goes to the Patriots. In his first season,

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Speaker 1: he has twelve and a half sacks. Right now he

880
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Speaker 1: has eight and a half sacks, or the last time

881
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Speaker 1: I looked at the station, he had eight and a

882
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Speaker 1: half sacks coming off the edge. So in two seasons

883
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Speaker 1: he has already shown and ability to be very disruptive

884
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Speaker 1: by the line of scrimmage. Then you throw in the

885
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Speaker 1: versatility that he displays, being able to play with his

886
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Speaker 1: hand in the dirt from an upright position, being able

887
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Speaker 1: to float and do some of the other things that

888
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Speaker 1: the Patriots like to do. And then I think about

889
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,000
Speaker 1: the Patriots, they don't even really covert pass rushers. So

890
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: for Matt Judon to be as dynamic and disruptive and

891
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: dominant as he's been for the Patriots. Speaks volumes about

892
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,359
Speaker 1: his talent and the way that he has been able

893
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Speaker 1: to kind of find his role in the Patriots defense

894
00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: that is really more coverage than pass rush when you

895
00:40:48,480 --> 00:40:50,439
Speaker 1: think about the way Bill Belichick likes to go after

896
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:53,760
Speaker 1: the opponent and forever that has been a long held

897
00:40:53,960 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: belief that man be careful when you sign Ravens defensive

898
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: players because it's part of the culture and the system

899
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:01,480
Speaker 1: them there. It kind of makes some of these guys

900
00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,359
Speaker 1: and if they're allowing them to leave, there's a reason

901
00:41:03,480 --> 00:41:05,960
Speaker 1: for that. I might have to rethink it, because right

902
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 1: now the two guys tied for the league league in

903
00:41:08,320 --> 00:41:12,120
Speaker 1: sacks are Matt Judon and Zadarius Smith, both former Baltimore

904
00:41:12,160 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 1: Ravens who are bawling out for the Patriots and the Vikings.

905
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Speaker 1: So um interesting to see how that narrative kind of

906
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,759
Speaker 1: is changing over time. Great List again, you can go

907
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: to NFL dot com and you can read all about

908
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,239
Speaker 1: Bucky talking about those top five game records. Also has

909
00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:28,439
Speaker 1: some interesting stuff in there on Daniel Jones, s Kwon

910
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: Barkley as well. So NFL dot com you can find

911
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: Bucky's work right there. I want to remind everybody we've

912
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:37,799
Speaker 1: got Eagles Texans coming up Thursday Night Football. That's eight

913
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Speaker 1: fifteen pm Eastern Time on Prime Video that is also

914
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Speaker 1: available on NFL Plus. Well, Bucket took us a couple

915
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,400
Speaker 1: of shots. Um, we had to do two different recording

916
00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:51,520
Speaker 1: sessions to get this pod done, but it was definitely

917
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 1: necessary to cover all the ground in a wild, wild,

918
00:41:55,080 --> 00:41:57,799
Speaker 1: crazy day in the NFL. Yeah, well and crazy, but

919
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Speaker 1: one of the best days that we've had it sometimes

920
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: in terms of just the activity. I think we talked

921
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,360
Speaker 1: about being able to be engaged like it was almost

922
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,760
Speaker 1: like free agent frenzy, but it was with the trademark

923
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 1: of being able to see these team swap out players.

924
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: Uh went in the division, outside of the division, bringing

925
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: people on board that you believe will help you make

926
00:42:17,000 --> 00:42:19,600
Speaker 1: a run down the stretch. That's what it's about. It's

927
00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 1: about going for when you feel like you have to

928
00:42:21,560 --> 00:42:23,359
Speaker 1: hand to go and get it. And some of these

929
00:42:23,400 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 1: teams pushed their chips all the way into the senator

930
00:42:26,160 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: table to make sure that they're going for the teamship run.

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Speaker 1: This year, we'll see how many of those guys are legitimate. UH.

932
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Speaker 1: Title content is when we get to the end of the

933
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Speaker 1: the season. Yeah, no doubt, I love it. Gave us

934
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Speaker 1: a lot to talk about and a lot to look

935
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Speaker 1: forward to watching here UH as we go towards the

936
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Speaker 1: second half of the season, it's been an unpredictable season.

937
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Speaker 1: I imagine we're gonna see a unpredictable finish here on

938
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Speaker 1: the second half of the year. I want to thank

939
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Speaker 1: you guys for hanging with us today. Want to remind

940
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Speaker 1: you can check out all the move the six content

941
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: on the NFL's YouTube channel, NFL dot com, the NFL

942
00:42:54,239 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 1: channel UH, and the NFL app. We have another episode

943
00:42:57,640 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: coming your way here in a few days. We're gonna

944
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: jump into some more college stuff, talking about the draft

945
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,160
Speaker 1: a little bit. Never too early, especially now that we

946
00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: have some picks that have changed hands. Um, who who's

947
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: going to control this draft? Something we can hit on

948
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Speaker 1: in our next episode. But we appreciate you guys hanging

949
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Speaker 1: with us. We'll catch you next time right here on

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Speaker 1: Moving Sticks.