Speaker 1: What's that at the foot of my bed.
Speaker 2: It's spooky and joky.
Speaker 3: I'm really sure it's dead. It's coming this way.
Speaker 1: Wait a minute, Hey, I've ghost said.
Speaker 3: I'm Nandaz Collease, hey boo, it's me Roz. Welcome to Ghosted,
Speaker 3: but Raz Hernandez. I'd like to talk to people that
Speaker 3: I like about things that make me go eek. Today
Speaker 3: I'm going to be doing that with Scotti Landis and
Speaker 3: Kurt Braunoler. You may know from the podcast Bananas here
Speaker 3: unexactly right, I've been on Bananas. Go back and listen
Speaker 3: to it. We had a great old time. Before we
Speaker 3: get into that, two things. First thing, I feel like
Speaker 3: I should reiterate this dolls that we talk about on
Speaker 3: the show sometimes if we're like super duper talking about
Speaker 3: visual elements. I post those on the Instagram for this podcast,
Speaker 3: which is at Ghosted by ros I post it in
Speaker 3: the pinned stories, So you just go to the page.
Speaker 3: You'll see a little circle that says dolls at a
Speaker 3: little circle that says stuff or something like that, and
Speaker 3: that's where you can find those. So if you listen
Speaker 3: to these in the future or something, they'll be up there.
Speaker 3: You'll still be able to see them. People are constantly like,
Speaker 3: I want to see the doll, and I'm like, that's
Speaker 3: where it's there. Our promise, just click where it says dolls.
Speaker 3: The other thing, I wanted to tell you a story
Speaker 3: that I found in my email which is ghosted by
Speaker 3: ros at gmail dot com, and this one comes from
Speaker 3: Carly Ray. Carly Ray has a story from this past
Speaker 3: Mother's Day. Carly Ray writes, it was Mother's Day. We
Speaker 3: had just had dinner and drinks with my mom and
Speaker 3: came back home to have a camp fire. For context,
Speaker 3: I'm thirty eight years old, but my mom is my
Speaker 3: landlord slashed downstairs neighbor, and there is a central fire
Speaker 3: pit in our apartment complex that everyone shares, which is
Speaker 3: right in front of her apartment. Anyway, my boyfriend, brother
Speaker 3: friend Tony, and myself were all drinking by the fire.
Speaker 3: My mom went in to go to bed a little
Speaker 3: while earlier. I glanced up as I saw movement and
Speaker 3: I see my mom run from across her window to
Speaker 3: her front door super fast and hide behind the wall
Speaker 3: by the door. She puts her hand on her forehead
Speaker 3: to focus and peers out. Everyone is drunk at this
Speaker 3: point and not paying attention, but I'm staring right at
Speaker 3: my mom, wondering what the fuck is she doing. I yell, Mom,
Speaker 3: why are you acting so creepy? What are you doing?
Speaker 3: I figured she was mad at us for being loud
Speaker 3: but not responding, which was weird. So I get up
Speaker 3: and walk towards the door. I don't see her anymore,
Speaker 3: and assuming she stormed off or something angry, I knock
Speaker 3: on the door. I yell, sorry, Mom, we're loud. Nothing.
Speaker 3: She doesn't come to the door, so I'm like, Mom,
Speaker 3: what are you doing? Hello? It takes me like five
Speaker 3: knocks before she comes to the door. She's wearing pajama
Speaker 3: pants and a black shirt, totally sleeping. Groggy. She opens
Speaker 3: the door. I say, Mom, why are you acting like
Speaker 3: you were sleeping? I literally just saw you looking out
Speaker 3: at us groggy. She says, I never came to the door.
Speaker 3: I've been sleeping. Why did you wake me up? It's
Speaker 3: then that I looked at her outfit and realized that
Speaker 3: the figure I saw was wearing all white. My mom
Speaker 3: is wearing all black. So I wandered back to the fire,
Speaker 3: honestly not believing my own eyes. I kept thinking, man,
Speaker 3: I must have had like way too much to drink.
Speaker 3: I was embarrassed, so I didn't tell anyone what I saw.
Speaker 3: After trying to debunk this experience all week, we have
Speaker 3: another campfire and I explained to my mom and boyfriend
Speaker 3: what I saw, thinking I was telling them a hallucination
Speaker 3: story or something. And my boyfriend, who is not into
Speaker 3: the paranormal stuff like me, and can you usually explain
Speaker 3: everything rationally, he chimes in and he says, oh, my god,
Speaker 3: I thought that was your mom.
Speaker 2: I saw her.
Speaker 3: She was wearing a white nightgown peering out at us
Speaker 3: for a creepy amount of time. He said. The reason
Speaker 3: he didn't say anything is because he just assumed it
Speaker 3: was my mom. Because I didn't say anything. That night,
Speaker 3: I screamed out loud because I was so validated.
Speaker 2: That night.
Speaker 3: We ended up recreating all the conditions, lighting, clothing, et cetera.
Speaker 3: And there was no way we could have seen my
Speaker 3: mom peering out or it would have been too dark.
Speaker 3: The figure was like eliminated from within, but not glowing,
Speaker 3: just visible in the dark. Super creepy. She was looking
Speaker 3: in my eyes. Anyway, that's my story. Nothing has happened since.
Speaker 3: But the building was built in the eighteen sixties, I believe.
Speaker 3: And my mom just said, I've lived here so long,
Speaker 3: I'm not scared of a girl and a nightgown, which, yeah,
Speaker 3: she wasn't scary at all in retrospect. I mean I
Speaker 3: walked right up to her thinking it was my mom.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Carly Ray from Wisconsin, thank you for
Speaker 3: sending that. I don't even know what to make of that.
Speaker 3: I mean, it does sound like one of my favorite things,
Speaker 3: sort of like an astral projection, Like was it a
Speaker 3: version of your mom as she's sleeping, She's just sort
Speaker 3: of roaming around in the spiritual form. I mean, I
Speaker 3: love that idea, but it wasn't white nightgown, which is
Speaker 3: very eighteen hundreds ghost.
Speaker 2: So I don't know.
Speaker 3: If anything else happens, be sure to let us know.
Speaker 3: Carla Ray, all right, it's time for me to talk
Speaker 3: to Scotti Landis and Kurt Brownholer and with the show.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I am joined by some of my
Speaker 3: new family members at exactly right. Please welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Kurt Brownholmer and Scottie Landis.
Speaker 2: Hello, Oh my gosh, thank you for having us.
Speaker 1: So happy to be here.
Speaker 3: I am so happy to have both of you guys,
Speaker 3: and I am a fan of both of your works.
Speaker 3: I've already told Scotty how much the movie Ma Means
Speaker 3: to Be, which I think is just one of the
Speaker 3: most brilliant films. Well, I just love it to death.
Speaker 3: I actually the line, don't make me drink alone. I
Speaker 3: don't drink I'm eight years sober. But every time I
Speaker 3: have a friend over and I offer a Lacroix and
Speaker 3: they don't take one, I always go down. Make me
Speaker 3: drink alone.
Speaker 2: That's a good one. Kurtz, Curti B.
Speaker 3: Is it Curti B and Scottie the Stallion?
Speaker 2: Is that? What say? Okay?
Speaker 4: Yes, We're built very similarly to those two, same body type,
Speaker 4: same shape, same everything.
Speaker 3: I completely forgot that you have an appearance in Barbarian Yes,
Speaker 3: which is another brilliant horror film of the past few years,
Speaker 3: also written by a hilarious person. And I'm just loving
Speaker 3: this horror renaissance comedy like there's this is an exciting
Speaker 3: time for spooky and funny people.
Speaker 4: It is.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really started.
Speaker 4: It seemed like with like Jordan peele as everybody knows
Speaker 4: to get out, but then everybody raced towards it and
Speaker 4: the best part is classically, like comedic writers were very
Speaker 4: good at writing horror, and now it feels like the
Speaker 4: only genre that we can all do to get movies made.
Speaker 2: So it's a fun time.
Speaker 1: I think it's a very similar muscle. You know, in
Speaker 1: both comedy and in horror, you're just like manipulating expectations
Speaker 1: to create like a moment, a surprise, a surprise.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And in comedy it's a surprise it causes you to laugh,
Speaker 1: and in horror it's a surprise it caused you to jump.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Right, it's involuntary, like the reaction. Yes, if it's good,
Speaker 3: there's no.
Speaker 4: Hiding h When I saw Midsummer I laughed so much
Speaker 4: I actually apologized to the theater. I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: so sorry, but this is so funny like that, my
Speaker 4: scared response is genuine laughter, not even nervous laughter.
Speaker 3: It's out of fear. Though it's not like laughing at it.
Speaker 4: No.
Speaker 2: I because I really enjoy him.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's my favorite genre to watch, but I
Speaker 4: just there's something about that surprise that feels like a
Speaker 4: punchline or something.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And it's almost like a oh you motherfucker, you
Speaker 1: got me? Yeah, Yeah, yeah, damn it. Yeah, it's gotta
Speaker 1: like that true.
Speaker 3: Well, I want to know how you guys feel about
Speaker 3: the pair of Normal.
Speaker 2: I'm a huge fan you.
Speaker 3: Are, Okay, So, like, broadly speaking, where are you guys
Speaker 3: at when it comes to the unknown For a.
Speaker 1: Person who has had no like I've never seen a
Speaker 1: ghost or anything like that.
Speaker 3: How'd you get in here?
Speaker 1: It's shocking because I would love to because I do
Speaker 1: believe there is an interconnectedness between life and death that
Speaker 1: is like ever present in the world, and so I'm
Speaker 1: a for it. But I think Scotty's a candidate for
Speaker 1: it as well. We're just we're just waiting. We're waiting,
Speaker 1: like we've had spooky situations, We've had like weird eerie things,
Speaker 1: but no actual physical ghost yet yet. But I say yet,
Speaker 1: because we're excited and interested in it, and I believe
Speaker 1: in everything.
Speaker 4: When I was a teenager, I you know, thought I
Speaker 4: knew everything and was a jerk and was like, none
Speaker 4: of that stuff's real. And then slowly over time I
Speaker 4: just realized how much more enjoyable life is if you
Speaker 4: kind of just stay open to all of it, Like
Speaker 4: if somebody's like I really do believe in the lockness monster.
Speaker 2: I go, me too, that's great, and I would love
Speaker 2: it if it was real.
Speaker 4: I would love if Bigfoot just walked out of the
Speaker 4: woods one day into our hearts. But for right now,
Speaker 4: I just say yes to everything and just hope to
Speaker 4: see aliens and any cryptids, any ghosts I'm in, I
Speaker 4: want to see them.
Speaker 1: And when you say paranormal, are we talking to aliens.
Speaker 3: Let's talk at all. Aliens, psychics, ghosts, Bigfoot, all of that.
Speaker 4: When I moved to a lay, many of my closest
Speaker 4: friends or women who would not tell me they went
Speaker 4: and saw psychics. But there's a place in Echo Park,
Speaker 4: Ont House of Intuition that's up these really long stairs.
Speaker 4: Hell yeah, And I saw so many of my friends
Speaker 4: going up those stairs, just driving up and down Sunset.
Speaker 4: I'd be like, oh, there she goes, Oh there she goes.
Speaker 4: So I'm open.
Speaker 2: To all of it.
Speaker 3: They got great candles there, great candles for manifesting crystals,
Speaker 3: you name it. I mean, I'm sorry, but you moved
Speaker 3: to this town. It's hard to escape the crystals and
Speaker 3: a psychic or two.
Speaker 2: You gotta believe it something, yes, exactly.
Speaker 3: So do you have any kinds of stories? Maybe we
Speaker 3: could break them down and say, ooh, maybe that was
Speaker 3: a ghost or maybe that was something.
Speaker 4: When we were doing our podcast Bananas, my New Year's
Speaker 4: resolution for the year twenty twenty two was to see
Speaker 4: a ghost.
Speaker 2: It was yes.
Speaker 4: I was like, I'm going to set out to see
Speaker 4: a ghost. So I stayed in a lot of haunted hotels.
Speaker 4: Wait what I visited haunted places?
Speaker 3: Yeah, tell me the whole everywhere you went.
Speaker 4: So there's one called the Lodge in cloud Croft, New Mexico,
Speaker 4: where there is a ghost named Rebecca. It was a
Speaker 4: prohibition bar in the on a mountaintop in the middle
Speaker 4: of New Mexico. And if you sit and drink by yourself,
Speaker 4: sometimes your glass slides across the table and it's Rebecca,
Speaker 4: who was I don't remember her full backstory, but she's
Speaker 4: like a brassy redhead that used to hang out the bar.
Speaker 4: Maybe one of the patrons killed her, so she still
Speaker 4: haunts the halls. I went to the Cecil Hotel in
Speaker 4: downtown LA.
Speaker 3: Can't that be condensation?
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're just so drunk and it's out of tilt.
Speaker 1: That's slightly out of tilt. Yeah, possibly, but let's say
Speaker 1: it's Rebecca.
Speaker 3: But I like the Rebecca story better. Yeah, but I've
Speaker 3: had that happen with my cup as a little little
Speaker 3: moist underneath.
Speaker 2: Hm. Could it be both? Could it be both?
Speaker 3: I always like that. That is always my favorite.
Speaker 1: I went to Catholic school, and I don't know, I
Speaker 1: think it was slightly liberal Catholic school. Yes, and so
Speaker 1: it's like a bunch of fourteen year old boys who
Speaker 1: were like, uh, duh, the Bible's not real.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: We had one religion class where they went through like
Speaker 1: miracles and they're like, here's how the miracle actually happened
Speaker 1: on earth, like the splitting of the Red Sea where
Speaker 1: Moses like separates the Red Sea. That's they can pass safely.
Speaker 1: They're like on certain low tides, if the wind was
Speaker 1: blowing in this direction, this stretch of land would become visible.
Speaker 1: And like they showed us how like but they were
Speaker 1: still like God's doing all of this, but he's using
Speaker 1: like physics and stuff like that, and that's what we're
Speaker 1: always just like uh okay, and like and then we
Speaker 1: were right back in. We're right back in, like the
Speaker 1: ibl is real.
Speaker 3: I grew up Catholic, and I'm actually obsessed with Catholic miracles,
Speaker 3: especially like in more modern times. I mean, sure there's
Speaker 3: like the Jesus on your toast kind of thing, but
Speaker 3: like there's also been some sightings where many people have
Speaker 3: claimed at the same time they all saw someone that
Speaker 3: they think was Mary or whatever. And I think a
Speaker 3: lot of times people don't include that kind of stuff
Speaker 3: in the paranormal conversation because it's hard because there's always
Speaker 3: going to be a group of the religious people that
Speaker 3: their mind is made up. There's no question what that is.
Speaker 3: It's unfortunate because I think it is kind of paranormal
Speaker 3: whatever it is.
Speaker 1: Jesus was the og. He was the original ghost man,
Speaker 1: I mean zombie.
Speaker 3: Really he came back, Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 4: He did, that's right, and Angel brought him into this world.
Speaker 4: Kind of how that happened, Yeah, and start to finish
Speaker 4: makes you wonder.
Speaker 3: Unless Mary is not telling us something.
Speaker 1: This zombies blood, smart and eat this zombie body. That's
Speaker 1: just everybody accepts it.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 3: I'm very much not Catholic anymore. But anytime I'm in
Speaker 3: a situation where I need I need a miracle to happen,
Speaker 3: I sit there and I tell Jesus, listen, I drank
Speaker 3: a lot of your blood. I ate a lot of
Speaker 3: your body. I didn't know. I didn't ask what part
Speaker 3: of your body it was. I just ate it, So
Speaker 3: could you do me a solid?
Speaker 1: Another thing that they would always like hammer into us
Speaker 1: in Catholic schools the idea of transubstantiation, where like, once
Speaker 1: the priest does the ritual, this bread is the body
Speaker 1: of Christ. It's actually the body of Christ. They just
Speaker 1: kept saying that over and over again. We never talked
Speaker 1: about what part of his body it was. Yeah, which
Speaker 1: part is this little slice of him?
Speaker 2: How big was this guy exactly?
Speaker 3: Because I don't think they condensed his whole body into
Speaker 3: that loaf. I think it was a part of him.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yes, And that's the thing when you are raised very
Speaker 3: young with those beliefs, there's no question that that is
Speaker 3: what is actually happening here right This bread is now Jesus. Yes,
Speaker 3: this wine, whether you're twenty one or not, Ma, you're
Speaker 3: allowed to drink it is his blood. And I'm sitting
Speaker 3: there eight years old, like I'm drinking his blood like
Speaker 3: it was never a question. So to me, that kind
Speaker 3: of like made a basis or whatever in my brain
Speaker 3: for the paranormal the possibility it's true.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I went to Catholic school too. Did either of
Speaker 2: you have a priest who would dip the Eucharist in
Speaker 2: the wine before eating it?
Speaker 3: Because I did, like an Oreo.
Speaker 4: Yes, he would hold like the super Eucharist and like
Speaker 4: the superuie a superhist and then he would dip it
Speaker 4: and then eat it. And like I, you know, nobody
Speaker 4: loves well, some people really love watching people eat, but
Speaker 4: I don't love watching anyone eat. And I just remember
Speaker 4: sitting there watching him just savoring it, like dipping it
Speaker 4: like a notch.
Speaker 2: In salsa and just going for it.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what's funny. Not that long ago, out
Speaker 3: of curiosity, I went to Amazon and I wanted to
Speaker 3: see if they sell you grass, like if you could
Speaker 3: buy a bag of Oh they do, oh wow? Because
Speaker 3: I was like, that wouldn't be bad with you know,
Speaker 3: a red pepper hummus or something.
Speaker 1: I love that for a cocktail party, just have a
Speaker 1: bunch of yugris, because it should be totally fine. It's
Speaker 1: not the body of Christ. There's nothing holy about it
Speaker 1: until it's been blessed.
Speaker 3: Yes, I don't have the powers to turn this into Jesus.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm looking it up now you can absolutely get them.
Speaker 3: You can get a bag of am oh.
Speaker 4: Yes, you can get the Vegfest Bread of Life Alter
Speaker 4: Bread Wheat hosts one thousand pieces for twenty one fifteen
Speaker 4: on Prime.
Speaker 1: That's not bad.
Speaker 3: You could put chocolate on it. You could do it savory.
Speaker 3: You could.
Speaker 1: We did a story on bananas once about how many
Speaker 1: wafers would it actually take to make one Jesus And
Speaker 1: the answer was like some insane number, and how many
Speaker 1: like bottles of wine?
Speaker 2: Is it?
Speaker 3: Just well to be fair like back then, he was
Speaker 3: probably smaller, you know.
Speaker 1: Yeah little he's a littler man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, little guy.
Speaker 3: But anyway, okay, wait, I'm going to go back to you,
Speaker 3: said Cecil Hotel, Scotty. Yes, you went to the infamous
Speaker 3: downtown Los Angeles Cecil Hotel. Yes, you actually stayed there.
Speaker 4: I didn't end up staying we I was working on
Speaker 4: a show and we were going to try to evoke
Speaker 4: a demon there.
Speaker 3: What show was this.
Speaker 2: It's called bad Ideas. It was on Quibi now it's
Speaker 2: on Roku.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 4: We were going to do the inherent worst idea you
Speaker 4: can do wherever you travel. And so we brought in
Speaker 4: a witch and we went to Cecil Hotel. We went
Speaker 4: to some of the rooms where people had jumped out
Speaker 4: of the windows. Oh my god, it's a super creepy
Speaker 4: place for anybody who's never been. And I know a
Speaker 4: lot of people have seen the video of the poor
Speaker 4: girl that kind of like lost herself and then drowned
Speaker 4: in the water tower. We had a custodian take us
Speaker 4: up to the higher floors and he took us to
Speaker 4: some of the most haunted rooms and there were people
Speaker 4: still like wandering those hallways. Certain on house people would
Speaker 4: sneak in there. Then some of it was sort of
Speaker 4: an airbnb rental situation.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 4: And then some of it was full time cheap affordable housing.
Speaker 4: And then there was like an empty block of maybe
Speaker 4: eight floors in the middle. So the whole building feels
Speaker 4: weird just with the presence of people.
Speaker 1: There's an eight floor block of emptiness.
Speaker 2: Yes, what it was six or eight floors right in
Speaker 2: the middle.
Speaker 4: So like the first two you can like rent if
Speaker 4: you're like from out of town, which is what happened
Speaker 4: to the young woman who was so scared in the elevator,
Speaker 4: And there's like affordable housing rental by the week or
Speaker 4: whatever on maybe the top few floors something like that,
Speaker 4: and then in between there's a bunch of abandoned floors terrifying.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, that's so creepy.
Speaker 4: Some floors had shared bathrooms, so you would go out
Speaker 4: and use like kind of a public bathroom, but some
Speaker 4: had showers over carpeted floors with a drain in the middle,
Speaker 4: which is very strange, which would make me jump out
Speaker 4: of a window.
Speaker 3: Maybe whoa wait, wait wait, there was a carpeted floor,
Speaker 3: like in the shower.
Speaker 2: In the room there was a shower head and a
Speaker 2: drain and it was fully carpeted floor.
Speaker 4: Oh god, very weird stuff. So we were like, yes,
Speaker 4: let's do it. And then they caught wind of what
Speaker 4: we were going to do, and they wouldn't let it
Speaker 4: do it because they're doing like a rehab on it.
Speaker 4: So they're going to try to turn it into a
Speaker 4: new hotel with a new name called like Living Spaces
Speaker 4: or something.
Speaker 1: Are you joking? Is that the real name.
Speaker 4: It's something close to that. We could look it up,
Speaker 4: but it really is going to be called like Cool Life.
Speaker 4: So I asked this custodian who is probably like sixty,
Speaker 4: serious guy, nice guy, like let us in wherever we
Speaker 4: wanted to go, and I saw a guy walk down
Speaker 4: the end of the hall. I was like, do people
Speaker 4: stay on this floor? He's like, they come to use
Speaker 4: the bathroom some different floors or whatever. So I said,
Speaker 4: do you ever see ghosts or anything weird in this building?
Speaker 4: Do you ever see demon's ghosts? And he looked at
Speaker 4: me and goes, every day you see ghosts here?
Speaker 2: Every day? He goes every day I see something? What?
Speaker 2: And so we were like, we have to shoot here.
Speaker 4: And then yeah, they found out that we were going
Speaker 4: to try to evoke a demon and they were like, no,
Speaker 4: we're trying to change the rep Wow.
Speaker 3: I've only been in it one time. I kind of
Speaker 3: snuck in with my friend and we just like got
Speaker 3: on the elevator and like went up and started walking around.
Speaker 3: I mean, it's creepy. But also my dear friend who
Speaker 3: is an exorcist our Age Savis. She's been on this
Speaker 3: podcast a few times. She has a book called Sister
Speaker 3: of Darkness, and she talks about in the book cause
Speaker 3: she believes that the worst kind of energy is like
Speaker 3: sort of in that area of downtown Lay and that
Speaker 3: building is like the eye of the storm, which to
Speaker 3: me kind of seems legit because so much bad stuff
Speaker 3: has happened in that one building.
Speaker 4: Yes, you know, they put in new restaurants and stuff
Speaker 4: all around that, but even when you're in those places,
Speaker 4: it feels weird down there.
Speaker 2: It's a strange part of the city. Oh.
Speaker 3: I used to do all kinds of just different gigs
Speaker 3: in downtown LA. Sometimes these venues would have like basement
Speaker 3: dressing rooms and like just like going down there and
Speaker 3: it's like where eye level with graves right now? Is
Speaker 3: what I always think anytime I'm in a basement. I
Speaker 3: well like that have also like what kind of secrets
Speaker 3: are down here? Like who knows?
Speaker 4: They're old buildings. They're like over one hundred years old,
Speaker 4: some of those buildings, and so it's very creepy and
Speaker 4: eerie down there.
Speaker 3: Cut to people in Europe, they're like one hundred years old. Okay,
Speaker 3: so you didn't stay there, but is there other places
Speaker 3: that you stayed Roosevelt Hotel, Oh, yes, classic.
Speaker 2: The Marshall Inn in Georgia.
Speaker 4: I went to as many as I could like get
Speaker 4: to in that calendar year and didn't see anything. But
Speaker 4: Kurt and I, one of our best friends, got married
Speaker 4: at the Stanley Inn in ST's Park, Colorado, which you
Speaker 4: knows iconically haunted.
Speaker 3: The inspiration for the Shining.
Speaker 4: That's right, And so the most haunted room is two seventeen.
Speaker 4: When we got checked in, I was dating a woman
Speaker 4: at the time, and she's like, very scared of that stuff,
Speaker 4: and she said, what room was it?
Speaker 2: In it? And we were in two nineteen, so we
Speaker 2: were directly next door to that room, but I didn't
Speaker 2: want to tell her, and I was like, oh, I
Speaker 2: don't know. I think it's on the third floor.
Speaker 4: And then they have a channel that plays the Shining
Speaker 4: twenty four hours a day without commercials, NonStop, and so
Speaker 4: she turned it on and saw immediately that was twenty seventeen.
Speaker 2: She's like, you asshole, and so we switch wings.
Speaker 3: Ah.
Speaker 4: So I've never seen a ghost, but the only time
Speaker 4: I've ever had something that was very strange was the
Speaker 4: wedding's happening. It's a great reception in the hotel. Kurt
Speaker 4: was wearing a kilt, okay, and so the whole time
Speaker 4: you're there, even when there's a wedding going on, I
Speaker 4: guess they probably stopped around then.
Speaker 2: But they give ghost tours, they give haunted.
Speaker 4: Tours of that hotel to tourists probably every hour or
Speaker 4: two all day long, so we all kind of knew
Speaker 4: it was haunted or whatever. But in the main lobby,
Speaker 4: if you want to go to use the restrooms, you
Speaker 4: have to go down this huge staircase that goes down
Speaker 4: in the middle and then up on the sides. I
Speaker 4: was walking down the stairs mid reception, was not loaded,
Speaker 4: you know, wasn't drunk or anything. And when I was
Speaker 4: walking down the stairs, I just heard a voice so
Speaker 4: simply go hey. And I turned and I was standing
Speaker 4: in the middle of the staircase by myself, and I
Speaker 4: just smiled.
Speaker 2: I was so happy.
Speaker 4: It was like the only time I've ever had a brush.
Speaker 4: But it was just like if I walked up behind
Speaker 4: you on an elevator and just went hey.
Speaker 1: Like it was that close.
Speaker 4: I thought it was one of our friends just being like, hey, Scottie,
Speaker 4: where you're headed.
Speaker 2: It was so casual.
Speaker 4: And I looked around and there was nobody coming up down,
Speaker 4: nobody in the lobby, and I just went down to
Speaker 4: the bathroom and I was like, I think that was it.
Speaker 2: I think that was what that feels like. It was great.
Speaker 4: So that's when I started to really be like I
Speaker 4: kind of leaving everything. It was very strange, damn very
Speaker 4: casual though, like hey, I didn't respond, but I was happy.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, this is this.
Speaker 3: But after that happens, you have to sleep in that building.
Speaker 3: That doesn't affect your ability to sleep there.
Speaker 4: So that night we pass out and in the middle
Speaker 4: of the night, I hear like men yelling, and I'm
Speaker 4: already kind of a little wired because of that experience,
Speaker 4: and so I go over and look out the window.
Speaker 4: I thought it was like a bunch of the wedding
Speaker 4: people hanging out by the pool, you know, keep drinking
Speaker 4: or doing drugs or whatever.
Speaker 2: Nobody's out there. It's just pitch black. I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god, this is it. This place is haunted.
Speaker 4: There's like screaming happening outside of this hotel or in
Speaker 4: this hotel. So I'm the first up in the morning.
Speaker 4: I go down, I get a bloody Marry. I'm sitting there,
Speaker 4: I'm talking the bartender, and a comedian comes in and
Speaker 4: sits down.
Speaker 2: I was like, did you hear yelling all night in
Speaker 2: the hotel?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 4: And our tender goes, what did it sound like? I
Speaker 4: was like, what sounded kind of like and he goes, oh, yeah,
Speaker 4: those are the elk. The elk are rutting. When the
Speaker 4: male elks come basically they go oh, oh.
Speaker 3: Gosh, so we're cutting that part out of this. We're
Speaker 3: not keeping that part.
Speaker 2: Fine with me.
Speaker 1: It is a crazy noise. It is a crazy noise.
Speaker 1: Because the very next day Scotty left and we all
Speaker 1: took mushrooms and went into this National park and like
Speaker 1: hiked up to this like Alpine Lake, and as we
Speaker 1: were coming back down, we knew it was like elk
Speaker 1: rutting season and you have to be like careful because
Speaker 1: when they're like mating, they get aggressive. And then we
Speaker 1: come down and like we're all tripping and then it's
Speaker 1: just two well in the middle of like a big
Speaker 1: field and we're like maybe thirty five feet away from them.
Speaker 1: And they're such big animals.
Speaker 2: Huge.
Speaker 1: We were talking about this recently and I said one
Speaker 1: of them was sixteen feet tall. And it's not sixteen
Speaker 1: feet tall, probably not, but it's like nine feet tall,
Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? With the antlers?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, and they are just like.
Speaker 1: Like it sounds like screaming. It's so crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, were they getting freaky deegy.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 1: They don't have to be necessarily orgasming. They make it
Speaker 1: also to like attract each other, so that one was
Speaker 1: just making it.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, So then the lady elks are like,
Speaker 3: oh my god, his.
Speaker 1: Sounds hot is so hot.
Speaker 2: It was weird to hear. I do think something said
Speaker 2: hello to me or hey, it was very strange.
Speaker 3: I'm buying it. I mean, if you look around, there's
Speaker 3: no one there, so I'm meanto ghost hunting, and a
Speaker 3: really cool thing has come out of there. In the
Speaker 3: world of ghost hunting, a lot of techniques have been
Speaker 3: around for forever and then like sometimes there's a new one. Nowadays,
Speaker 3: it's like what could even be real because of the
Speaker 3: way that everyone can reproduce things on their phone and
Speaker 3: everything seems so fake and whatever. But there was this
Speaker 3: technique that was developed there by these three ghost hunters
Speaker 3: Connor J. Randall, Michelle Tait, and Carl Feiffert shout out.
Speaker 3: They figured out this way. It's called the Estes method. Okay,
Speaker 3: there's a device called a spirit box that basically scans
Speaker 3: radio frequencies and you know, so people will ask a
Speaker 3: question like what's your name? And then you'll hear like
Speaker 3: it depends on what kind of speed you want to
Speaker 3: put it out, but it'll be like Sarah, because it'll
Speaker 3: kind of pick up from a radio station or whatever.
Speaker 3: So whatever could easily be debunked. But what they decided
Speaker 3: to do. One person plugs that into noise canceling headphones
Speaker 3: and blindfolds themselves like sensory deprivation, Oh my gosh. And
Speaker 3: then another person will be like, what's your name? And
Speaker 3: then they just say what they hear out loud. They'll
Speaker 3: be like Sarah, like whatever, so they'll start saying things.
Speaker 3: And sometimes people will do this and they have like
Speaker 3: full on conversations between each other. I've done it a
Speaker 3: few times. I think it's legit. Every time I've done
Speaker 3: it before, I'm like, this seems real. I don't know
Speaker 3: how else to describe it.
Speaker 1: What does the spirit box do?
Speaker 2: It?
Speaker 1: Just like scans.
Speaker 3: It's basically like if you're just like changing dials like
Speaker 3: real quick on like a radio, and so sometimes you'll
Speaker 3: hear something like Coca cola from like a commercial or something,
Speaker 3: or like you'll just like hear things, but when it
Speaker 3: lines up, you know I've done it before. Where you're
Speaker 3: like what's your name? And then it's like Sarah, and
Speaker 3: then it's like how'd you die? And then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden it'll be like I foul. It's very strange.
Speaker 1: Oh interesting, I like that.
Speaker 2: It's cool.
Speaker 3: But it all came out of there from them doing
Speaker 3: investigations at that hotel.
Speaker 2: It's a beautiful hotel.
Speaker 1: What's fascinating is like the guy who created the hotel,
Speaker 1: he was an inventor and he was famous for something
Speaker 1: called the Stanley Steamer.
Speaker 3: Wait, that was Stanley Steamer. Yeah, the Stanley seaberg gets
Speaker 3: a carp is cleaner.
Speaker 1: No, so they took that name later. But the original
Speaker 1: Stanley Steamer was a competitor with the model t Ford
Speaker 1: the combustion engine, So instead of a combustion engine, it
Speaker 1: actually was a steam engine driven car. And so they
Speaker 1: have one in the lobby where you can like look
Speaker 1: at it and it's just like, oh, this could have
Speaker 1: been the way that we went forward, but nope, nothing
Speaker 1: happened with it just died there.
Speaker 3: Now the ghost of it lurks around the lobby. Okay,
Speaker 3: other stories, anybody.
Speaker 1: I have a place near where I grew up in
Speaker 1: New Jersey. That's legendary, very Haunted Road. The name of
Speaker 1: it is Essex Road in Tinton Falls, New Jersey, but
Speaker 1: everybody called it Albino Road. And it was just like
Speaker 1: out on the edge of town, past some soccer fields
Speaker 1: near the printing press for the Asbury Park Press where
Speaker 1: they like printed the newspaper for that area. And it
Speaker 1: was just a very creepy feeling road. You could go
Speaker 1: down that road at like noon on a hot summer
Speaker 1: day and there was just something creepy about it. But
Speaker 1: what you actually would do was go down it at night,
Speaker 1: and when you drive on to it, there was a
Speaker 1: route that you would take. And this is just like
Speaker 1: it's a road that like kind of curves. It's always curving,
Speaker 1: and it goes through some like wetlands area. There's no
Speaker 1: reason for the road. It doesn't really connect any two things,
Speaker 1: just like.
Speaker 3: A one way one lane kind of a thing.
Speaker 1: It's two lanes, you can go both ways, but like
Speaker 1: the correct way to like get freaked out was to
Speaker 1: drive it this way because you would enter. And then
Speaker 1: the whole story was these teenagers had been killed on
Speaker 1: the road and there and and the police outlines of
Speaker 1: their bodies no matter how many times they get painted
Speaker 1: over would reappear cool at like midnight or something, and
Speaker 1: so on the ground was like multiple body outlines, but
Speaker 1: they were but they were done hastily by children who
Speaker 1: didn't want to get hit by cars, so they were
Speaker 1: like always done like just a little bit wide. They
Speaker 1: didn't want to get like spray paint on somebody's shirt
Speaker 1: or something. So it was these outlines that were like people,
Speaker 1: like very bloated, alien like people. And then I remember
Speaker 1: they get painted over and somebody would always put them back,
Speaker 1: which I really appreciated. The last time I saw it,
Speaker 1: which was still you know, I don't know how many
Speaker 1: decades ago, someone had added a dog, which I thought
Speaker 1: was just like what a beautiful touch, like the police
Speaker 1: would put.
Speaker 2: An outlined around the dog.
Speaker 1: It was a meme or it was like an idea,
Speaker 1: like it was a viral idea, pre internet totally, so
Speaker 1: like what people had been doing since the seventies. I
Speaker 1: believe there would be a line on the ground that
Speaker 1: said start here, turn lights off. Oh fun, and it
Speaker 1: was all spray painted in and so you're supposed to
Speaker 1: go at midnight and stop at that line and then
Speaker 1: turn your lights off and then drive the whole length
Speaker 1: of the road with your lights off. The final moment
Speaker 1: was that you were supposed to drive up towards It's
Speaker 1: like what looked like an abandoned house, sure in the
Speaker 1: middle of the woods, but it actually had people living
Speaker 1: in it, and they were just an older couple who
Speaker 1: just wanted to be left alone so that they would
Speaker 1: like chase people who like drove up their driveway because
Speaker 1: it just happened every other night. So obviously the more
Speaker 1: they chase people, the more stories, you know, all that
Speaker 1: sort of stuff, but none of them all like kind
Speaker 1: of made sense together.
Speaker 4: That's a really good one because the fact that people
Speaker 4: can keep, the fact there's interaction with it makes it
Speaker 4: so much more interesting because they can paint it black
Speaker 4: or they can put asphalt over it, whatever, and then
Speaker 4: you know, somebody or multiple somebodys are gonna be like,
Speaker 4: we're gonna go paint those bodies again. It's fun that
Speaker 4: it's like living history.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a tradition.
Speaker 2: Yes, I love that.
Speaker 1: The collectiveness of it is so beautiful.
Speaker 3: I think there's a philosophy that I'm really obsessed with it.
Speaker 3: In the paranormal where a lot of times these places
Speaker 3: because yeah, like all towns have these urban legendy kind
Speaker 3: of things, and there's this idea that has a couple
Speaker 3: of different names, like one of them being thought form,
Speaker 3: where if enough people are putting this energy into this
Speaker 3: thing being real, it can manifest.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And there have been some experiments where no one
Speaker 3: died in this location, but they manifested a ghost in
Speaker 3: this location. Kind of.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: It's some kind of far out there stuff, but I
Speaker 3: think it could be real.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's no more out there than the Secret
Speaker 1: the twenty million totally sold book of the United States.
Speaker 3: Totally. It's all wrapped up in the same thing, which
Speaker 3: I think in some ways it can be like prayer,
Speaker 3: like it's all connected, it's all the same.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I like what you're talking about.
Speaker 4: That's a cool idea that, like, if we all believe
Speaker 4: in something enough and we all and we just repeat
Speaker 4: the story enough that that thing can manifest itself, is great.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's like some comedians that aren't funny but enough people
Speaker 3: said they are that now they just like are famous,
Speaker 3: and that happens.
Speaker 2: That happens. Have you ever talked about Vartigers on this podcast?
Speaker 2: You know, I've read about those.
Speaker 4: I don't know a few months ago, and then I
Speaker 4: keep thinking about my childhood and if I ever experienced it,
Speaker 4: and I kind of feel like once you tell to people,
Speaker 4: it sort of sticks with them. It's like a Norwegian
Speaker 4: ghost or spirit that's not evil, but basically it is
Speaker 4: the kind of thing that if if you're sitting at
Speaker 4: home and your partner walks in the door and you
Speaker 4: kind of see them out of the corner your eye
Speaker 4: go to their room and you hear them put down
Speaker 4: their keys or like close the door, all the things
Speaker 4: they sort of do, you can smell them, and then
Speaker 4: your actual partner walks in two minutes later.
Speaker 2: It does the exact same thing.
Speaker 4: In Norwegian culture, that's called a vartiger, and they feel
Speaker 4: like it's an energy or a spirit that leads a
Speaker 4: normal person's energy. Is sort of like kind like a
Speaker 4: guardian angel, but it doesn't really do anything. It just
Speaker 4: as kind of tricky.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 4: I love that idea, and the more I think about it.
Speaker 4: There was two years where I lived at my grandmother's
Speaker 4: farm when I was a kid. I was probably eight
Speaker 4: nine to ten that range, and it was a real
Speaker 4: farm and have garden and all that stuff. The more
Speaker 4: I keep thinking about it. There were so many times
Speaker 4: where I would like, hear the screen door slap shut,
Speaker 4: hear somebody walk through the house, Here's something happened in
Speaker 4: the kitchen, and then like kind of go to find
Speaker 4: either one of my parents or my grandmother, and they
Speaker 4: would all be all working out in the garden or
Speaker 4: sitting on the deck or whatever.
Speaker 2: And then I'd go back and do what I was doing.
Speaker 4: And then my grandmother would come in and do the
Speaker 4: exact same actions in that sequence. This is the only
Speaker 4: thing I've ever heard that I was instantly like, wait,
Speaker 4: that feels like something they considered a reverse de ja vous,
Speaker 4: Like it's something that happens to you that leads to
Speaker 4: you feeling like something else is about to happen.
Speaker 1: I love that idea also in the fact that like
Speaker 1: if we assume like ghosts or whatever, people not of
Speaker 1: this plane are freed from the bounds of ex experiencing
Speaker 1: time in the same way that we experience time. Like
Speaker 1: preceding something yes makes just as much sense as like
Speaker 1: coming after you know, and like repeating totally the pre
Speaker 1: repeating for them makes as much sense.
Speaker 3: Well, it sounds kind of like a doppelganger, you know,
Speaker 3: which is like a ghost that is basically doing some
Speaker 3: Saturday night live impression of somebody else. Right, they got
Speaker 3: the prosthetics, they look just like whoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: But another thing that it kind of sounds like is
Speaker 3: astral projection. And I love those stories too, where it
Speaker 3: seems like your spiritual body can leave your physical body.
Speaker 3: And I've heard very similar stories to what you've described
Speaker 3: with that kind of being maybe the theory. I had
Speaker 3: an experience like this that I've told on the show
Speaker 3: before where I was taking a nap and my now
Speaker 3: ex but at the time we were together, he came
Speaker 3: up to me and was like, Hey, I'm going to
Speaker 3: the store. Do you want anything? And I was sleeping
Speaker 3: and I was like no, like what I'm sleeping. And
Speaker 3: then a couple minutes later he did it again, standing
Speaker 3: in the same area whatever, same exact words, cadence, everything,
Speaker 3: and I was like no, and he was like, okay, God.
Speaker 3: I was like, I said, now you know, I was
Speaker 3: probably like that. And then as soon as I had
Speaker 3: woken up, he comes back from the store. I was like,
Speaker 3: why did you did you do that twice? He's like, no,
Speaker 3: I only did it once. He goes, but I did.
Speaker 3: I thought about doing it, but I didn't want to
Speaker 3: wake you up.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 3: I'm like, I wonder if it was that thought somehow
Speaker 3: in my dream state got intertwined. I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's it. And that's what it is. Like with doppelgangers.
Speaker 4: They're sort of evil and they kind of want replace
Speaker 4: you and like work you out and like you know,
Speaker 4: do horrible things. But with these things, it's all about
Speaker 4: like premonition, like when you when you have that feeling
Speaker 4: of dread and like something's going to happen, and something happens.
Speaker 4: This is just the location and the actions of something
Speaker 4: that you're extremely familiar with, or a person you're familiar
Speaker 4: with kind of comes in the door first, like they
Speaker 4: just are walking two minutes ahead of you doing all
Speaker 4: this stuff. And the example you gave is the perfect example.
Speaker 4: When you start to think about times in your life,
Speaker 4: we were like, did that person just get on the
Speaker 4: elevator and then then get on the elevator again? Like
Speaker 4: it is a really weird thing, especially because it's somebody
Speaker 4: you know. It seems to be only amongst people that
Speaker 4: know the routines of other people.
Speaker 3: It's also kind of like final destination, like premonition, like
Speaker 3: seeing something happen before it happens.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, I was thinking about that lady that was
Speaker 4: in the news yesterday that said that the person on
Speaker 4: the plane was imaginary and not real and then.
Speaker 2: Got off the flight. Oh yeah, what was that?
Speaker 4: I think it was probably a mental health crisis. But
Speaker 4: she also seemed kind of drunk at the same time.
Speaker 4: But yes, she walks into the plane says, I'm getting off.
Speaker 4: I'm getting off. I don't care what any of you say.
Speaker 4: That person is not real. And it's like pointing at
Speaker 4: somebody in the back and is like saying they're not real,
Speaker 4: and she gets off.
Speaker 3: I would have followed her so quickly.
Speaker 2: Ros we needed you.
Speaker 3: I have said, where are we going, I'm out of here.
Speaker 1: There's a Chili's terminal toob Yes, that's exactly right. We're
Speaker 1: going to Chili's too, and we're getting some rasmataz dackers exactly.
Speaker 3: And I got some a bag of eucharists in my
Speaker 3: carry on. Let's get some caso and let's party.
Speaker 4: But if that plane a crash, then you're talking final destination,
Speaker 4: like the fact, I'm so glad it did it, and
Speaker 4: that's everybody was safe. But if that plane had gone
Speaker 4: down after that woman did that, what that would have
Speaker 4: People had been talking about that forever, not for seventy
Speaker 4: two hours.
Speaker 3: She'd be on this podcast so quickly, I'd pay whatever
Speaker 3: appearance fee it took. Oh my god, Hey, you guys
Speaker 3: want to see a haunted doll?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Absolutely, Okay, it's time for a segment I like to
Speaker 3: call the dolls are living? Okay, So here's what I do.
Speaker 3: I go to places like eBay dot com and I
Speaker 3: find dolls that people post and they claim are haunted.
Speaker 3: A lot of times they come with their own little backstories.
Speaker 3: The one we've got for you today, she is a
Speaker 3: discount diva. She is only going for five dollars currently
Speaker 3: or best offer.
Speaker 2: Let's get that number up.
Speaker 3: I'm I am kidding you. Just yesterday I was looking
Speaker 3: at these. I saw one for fifteen thousand dollars. When
Speaker 3: I see five dollars, that to me says, just get
Speaker 3: this doll out of my house. It is haunted. Yes, jiha,
Speaker 3: could you throw up the picture here? She is Selene?
Speaker 2: Well, she's bigger than she's bigger than cards. We know
Speaker 2: she's a bigger than cards.
Speaker 3: She's next to a deck of cards, just so people
Speaker 3: know her height. So, yep, this is Selene right here.
Speaker 3: She has got gorgeous hair for these dolls, gorgeous, some ringlets,
Speaker 3: an updo hat matching the dress. How are we feeling
Speaker 3: about her so far? I'll tell you a bit about.
Speaker 1: Her, honestly, not looking haunted to me, right, Scotty, that
Speaker 1: seems like a relatively I don't want to say good looking.
Speaker 2: Doll, don't.
Speaker 3: I mean, she is beautiful.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful doll.
Speaker 3: She seems like more of a woman doll, you know.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're like little baby girls or something. But she
Speaker 3: seems very mature.
Speaker 1: Seems like a West World style doll. That's what it
Speaker 1: seems like.
Speaker 3: Okay, well, here's what it says about her. Now, keep
Speaker 3: in mind, this is what we're gonna hear about is
Speaker 3: the ghost inside of her. It has nothing to do
Speaker 3: with what the actual doll looks like. So it says
Speaker 3: Celene is a sweet spirit. I believe this is a
Speaker 3: fairy spirit. But she seems to like humans to the
Speaker 3: point of wishing that she was a human. She loves
Speaker 3: silly TikTok songs and loves watching trashy daytime television. She
Speaker 3: thinks it's funny. She doesn't have any active powers, but
Speaker 3: she will respond using a pendulum or cat toys. I
Speaker 3: don't know too much about her past. She says that
Speaker 3: she was a witness to the JFK assassination and that
Speaker 3: she has been stopping by burning Man since it started
Speaker 3: in nineteen eighty six. I think she was a fairy
Speaker 3: for a long time before she died. She said that
Speaker 3: this is not her first vessel and that it took
Speaker 3: her a long time before she found this one that
Speaker 3: she now is in and she likes it. If you're
Speaker 3: looking for an entertaining, spirited friend, Selene is a good
Speaker 3: fit for anyone.
Speaker 1: First question, do you ship a haunted doll the way
Speaker 1: you ship a normal doll? Is it just in a box?
Speaker 3: Or is it like when they ship like pet reptiles.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: A friend of mine was telling me he got a
Speaker 3: which is my worst nightmare. But I was like, how
Speaker 3: did you get that? He's like, oh, I like ordered
Speaker 3: it and they shipped it and I opened up the
Speaker 3: box and there's a snake inside.
Speaker 1: They do that with baby chickens too.
Speaker 3: So I wonder if they do the same thing like
Speaker 3: living creature inside.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you want him to like have a chain wrapped
Speaker 4: around it, or like a bible onto you want this
Speaker 4: to I mean, I know Selene is very nice and
Speaker 4: likes to burn in the desert, so you know, open
Speaker 4: to experimentation, but I think you would want the presentation
Speaker 4: to be a little coffin or just something creepy.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally. Like I always say, this is all
Speaker 3: about marketing, and I think that that would be a
Speaker 3: great touch because the thing is, most of the people
Speaker 3: that sell these eBay this is like their business. You
Speaker 3: go to their profile, there's like fifty different ones they've
Speaker 3: got for sale, all with their own biography.
Speaker 1: And they're all haunted. Oh yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3: It also always says we cannot leak sell intangible objects.
Speaker 3: This is for entertainment purposes or whatever. Hebaye makes them
Speaker 3: say something that's like, just so you know, we can't
Speaker 3: actually sell you a ghost, that's not possible, but we're
Speaker 3: selling you a doll, but we're telling you it is.
Speaker 3: There is a ghost.
Speaker 2: It's totally a ghost. Yeah, well, I think hmm.
Speaker 4: The hand sticking out is sort of creepy. The right
Speaker 4: hand is the creepiest part of this. Doll to me,
Speaker 4: because it does look like it's just about to do this,
Speaker 4: do you. I also like that you can find out
Speaker 4: a little bit about what the owner's up to and
Speaker 4: what they're watching on TV and listening to you.
Speaker 1: They're watching trash TV and looking at tiktoks.
Speaker 2: No, she is absolutely sorry.
Speaker 3: It's her. She's probably a big Steve Harvey fan or
Speaker 3: Kelly Clarkson or whoever is on.
Speaker 2: She loves the feud. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think this doll isn't haunted, but if it was
Speaker 4: looking at me in the room, I would turn it
Speaker 4: away from me.
Speaker 3: Oh absolutely.
Speaker 1: I also like how that description as like almost like
Speaker 1: two revealing, like I expected the next line to be like.
Speaker 1: And sometimes she loves to force you to smoke menthol
Speaker 1: cigarettes while she.
Speaker 3: Watches Oh my god, Well let's do another thing here.
Speaker 2: Please?
Speaker 3: Can I play youse some ghost voices? Yes, it's time
Speaker 3: for EVP or ev pase. Have you guys ever heard
Speaker 3: of an EVP? No?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 3: Do you know what it stands for? No Electronic voice phenomenal? Yeah,
Speaker 3: So basically, it's anytime somebody has captured what they believe
Speaker 3: to be is a ghost speaking. So if you would
Speaker 3: have been able to record that ghost saying, hey, we
Speaker 3: could have made it onto the segment.
Speaker 2: Damn.
Speaker 3: But what I do is I go to TikTok, I
Speaker 3: go to YouTube. I find people's EVPs, and I'm gonna
Speaker 3: for you. I want you to tell me what you hear,
Speaker 3: and then I'll give you some options, with the correct
Speaker 3: answer being what they believe the ghost is saying.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 3: Okay. This first one is from Cole's Paranormal.
Speaker 1: Cole's like Kohl.
Speaker 2: My favorite section.
Speaker 3: They bought this ghost voice with Cole's cash. This is
Speaker 3: cul Z Paranormal on.
Speaker 1: I believe YouTube makes just as much sense.
Speaker 3: This was at a place called the Bonnie Bray Tavern
Speaker 3: in Denver, Colorado.
Speaker 4: That's a weird place, you ben. Yeah, we did go
Speaker 4: the Kurt That's where you and I got the ivs
Speaker 4: and then got lunch. Was in Bonnie Bray, yep, which
Speaker 4: was a racist town. Yeah wait what remember we looked
Speaker 4: up the history of that town and it was a sundown.
Speaker 1: Town or whatever originally.
Speaker 2: Yes, now it's very lovely and charming, but we were like,
Speaker 2: this is creepy and weird.
Speaker 1: Uh huh.
Speaker 2: Anyways, we've been there recently.
Speaker 3: I've heard that about Glendale.
Speaker 1: Glendale was a sundowntown true Glendale apologized for it in
Speaker 1: like twenty nineteen. They officially were like, this was horrible,
Speaker 1: which is crazy. I don't think Bonnie Braze ever issued
Speaker 1: an apology.
Speaker 2: Mm though she has not. I've been waiting. I'm waiting
Speaker 2: by the phone every day.
Speaker 3: Well maybe maybe that's what this EVP is.
Speaker 2: Okay, all right, all right?
Speaker 3: What is this ghost voice saying? Can you hear it?
Speaker 1: Okay? One more time?
Speaker 2: One more time?
Speaker 1: Okay, I were sniffed, Irish.
Speaker 2: Spirit, Irish, Irish spring, Irish. I was here. Oh, I
Speaker 2: was here.
Speaker 3: Oh that's a good one.
Speaker 2: I like that.
Speaker 3: Here's some options. Is it a I'm a bear. Maybe
Speaker 3: it was a member of the gay subculture known as.
Speaker 2: Bears love That is it?
Speaker 3: B I was there? Ooh close to the one you said.
Speaker 3: Is it C that was then? Or D don't make
Speaker 3: me drink alone alone? It is a tavern?
Speaker 2: I was there.
Speaker 3: I was there. Yeah, that is what they believe.
Speaker 2: It says.
Speaker 3: Let me play it again. Yeah, that's a pretty good one.
Speaker 3: Now here's one more. This one is from Ethan Underscore
Speaker 3: Encounters on TikTok and Yes, and this is at a
Speaker 3: place called the Granger House, which just sounds haunted in Marion, Iowa.
Speaker 3: What is it saying? Okay, wait a second, there's a
Speaker 3: lot more like business going on in the background in
Speaker 3: this one. But let's tune in and listen. Hmm, that's
Speaker 3: a hard one.
Speaker 2: Ross. Maybe please have it one more time? Totally y yeah,
Speaker 2: m a huge No.
Speaker 1: He was saying UFC. Let's see if it's MMA or
Speaker 1: UFC I listen to one more time.
Speaker 3: Okay, or MVP MVP.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll go with m VP.
Speaker 2: I will go with every day every day.
Speaker 3: Well, neither of those is what they thought.
Speaker 2: Is it a I have to p.
Speaker 3: B untimey? Oh maybe it was some freaky stuff. Is
Speaker 3: it C I'm happy? Or d I have T like?
Speaker 3: Maybe that they got some t they got the gossip said,
Speaker 3: I got t stick around for this ghost hunt. I'll
Speaker 3: tell you more.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna say, untimed ooh Untimey is so creepy.
Speaker 2: I'll go I'm happy. But both of those I could
Speaker 2: hear both of those.
Speaker 3: Sure, and the words of Pharrell. I'm happy is the
Speaker 3: correct answer.
Speaker 2: Wow, I'm happy?
Speaker 3: Oh, now I hear it.
Speaker 1: No, that was scotty, Oh that was.
Speaker 2: Sorry.
Speaker 1: But I am happy, kinda did it perfectly.
Speaker 3: Okay, one last thing, I'm just gonna throw out some
Speaker 3: unexplained paranormal phenomenal and I want you to tell me
Speaker 3: if you believe in it, if you got some kind
Speaker 3: of if it, maybe it don't inspire an anecdote, or
Speaker 3: I don't know, just anything. What do you guys think of? Okay,
Speaker 3: growing up Catholic demons? Has that stuck around for you,
Speaker 3: the idea of like demons something that you can get
Speaker 3: possessed by or you know that kind of idea.
Speaker 1: No, not for me, Scotty.
Speaker 4: I would say, in the world of all these paranormal things,
Speaker 4: that's low in my believability list, just because I can
Speaker 4: imagine people as storytellers inventing a thing to scare you.
Speaker 4: It feels so scary that I almost don't believe it.
Speaker 1: I also think, if you exist on a different plane,
Speaker 1: why do you give a shit?
Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 1: Why like why do you have such emotion that that's
Speaker 1: what you're gonna that's what you're gonna do? Like I
Speaker 1: don't think.
Speaker 2: So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe it's boring wherever they are and they just
Speaker 3: want to stare some shit up.
Speaker 1: But they can stir shit up in so many fun
Speaker 1: and interesting ways.
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe right, get yeah, get on YouTube
Speaker 3: and start commenting on videos. Do something healthy with your energy.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly, those are all demons.
Speaker 3: Okay, what about synchronicities. Yes, when little things happen, do
Speaker 3: you do you put that kind of thought into it
Speaker 3: and go that was something?
Speaker 4: Yeah, big time into that. That's sort of coincidents that
Speaker 4: just can't be a coincidence. And I don't care if
Speaker 4: somebody explains the math or whatever. There have been things
Speaker 4: that have happened to me that it. The craziest one
Speaker 4: was I was living in New York at the time,
Speaker 4: and I was killing time, so I went to get lunch.
Speaker 4: I was by myself, and I had a thought about
Speaker 4: somebody I hadn't.
Speaker 2: Seen in maybe eight years, nine years, and.
Speaker 4: I started laughing about a story because we used to
Speaker 4: we went to high school together and we would work
Speaker 4: on these projects. And she told me she had a
Speaker 4: hamster named Brownie Hamsterdam. And for some reason that came
Speaker 4: back into my mind and I was laughing, and then
Speaker 4: I zigzagged back down to this meeting that I had
Speaker 4: to go to maybe ten fifteen blocks and I was
Speaker 4: just going whichever way the walk sign was, so you know,
Speaker 4: if it was the walk thing, I would take that cross.
Speaker 2: And I was cutting across a city.
Speaker 4: Avenue about half an hour later, and out from a
Speaker 4: TAXI stepped that girl and went Scotti Landis and I go,
Speaker 4: I was just thinking about you twenty minutes ago, and
Speaker 4: she goes, you were And it was the same person.
Speaker 4: And I haven't seen her since, but it was the
Speaker 4: craziest coincidence of my entire life. And it felt impossible.
Speaker 4: She didn't live there. She was visiting somebody, and I
Speaker 4: was leaving lunch and zig zagged into that person after
Speaker 4: thinking them for the first time. And I mean years.
Speaker 4: This wasn't somebody I had a relationship. This was a
Speaker 4: casual friend that came to mind. Then I saw them.
Speaker 3: That's cool.
Speaker 2: It was so cool.
Speaker 1: Again, time is an illusion, right, It was.
Speaker 3: The spirit of Brownie Hamster's tim.
Speaker 2: That's good enough.
Speaker 1: It was a pre memory of your meeting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a thing like that happened one time.
Speaker 3: I forget if I've told this story before, but this
Speaker 3: one time, a couple of years ago, you know, like
Speaker 3: Chick fil A, we were real passionate about it for
Speaker 3: a minute and then I'm just like, I feel like
Speaker 3: I didn't hear much about it, and I was like,
Speaker 3: are they still like anti? I didn't really know. This
Speaker 3: is probably five six years ago or something, and I
Speaker 3: was on a layover in I don't even remember Atlanta,
Speaker 3: let's say, and there was a Chick fil A and
Speaker 3: I was like, you know, no one will see me.
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna go in there, like I won't see
Speaker 3: anyone who cares, like, I'll just go I just want
Speaker 3: to try it or walk in. And then all of
Speaker 3: a sudden, I see someone I know from LA instantly
Speaker 3: intercepted me as I was going in.
Speaker 1: And You're like, what are you doing?
Speaker 3: And I was like, oh, just you know, I'm walking
Speaker 3: around looking looking for a charger, you know, like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it was very strange.
Speaker 2: That's the same thing.
Speaker 4: And it's so weird when it happens because it's like
Speaker 4: you knew it was going to happen. So yeah, I
Speaker 4: believe in synchronicity.
Speaker 3: What about Have you guys been to psychics?
Speaker 2: No? I don't think I ever have.
Speaker 1: I went to a pet psychic once as a joke
Speaker 1: for a podcast.
Speaker 3: Stop.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did it.
Speaker 3: Seem at all accurate.
Speaker 2: No, I've had my tarot cards read many times.
Speaker 4: Uh huh, both friends and then I guess people that
Speaker 4: do it a little more seriously, and that was all.
Speaker 2: I think. That's really enjoyable.
Speaker 3: Oh totally.
Speaker 1: I like the reading stuff because it's like up for interpretation.
Speaker 1: It's very much like the eaching I do. I do
Speaker 1: the eaching a lot. I'm looking at my ones right now,
Speaker 1: and I find it very helpful and nice, just because
Speaker 1: I think it's gives you a different perspective on the
Speaker 1: moment you are in.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally, honey, just like my career, I'll entertain
Speaker 3: it all.
Speaker 2: That's right.
Speaker 3: Okay, last thing, time travel. Do you think it's possible.
Speaker 1: It's definitely possible.
Speaker 3: It kind of goes along with the thing that you
Speaker 3: were talking about earlier.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean like it's theoretically possible in physics as well.
Speaker 1: So yeah, no, time travel one hundred percent. I don't
Speaker 1: know if reverse time travel is possible but for us
Speaker 1: as human beings, but I think probably other beings could
Speaker 1: do it. But future time travels.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm in.
Speaker 4: People have also told me that all the aerial phenomenon
Speaker 4: we're seeing now, these new UFOs could potentially be us
Speaker 4: in the future, coming back to inspire us to move
Speaker 4: faster into the future.
Speaker 3: When to save the planet. A lot of times people say, I.
Speaker 4: Hope they do it, which is comforting that we made
Speaker 4: it or somebody made it. But yes, I believe in
Speaker 4: time travel. Why not it wouldn't it would be great.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'd be crazy. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well you guys, that was it.
Speaker 2: We nailed it.
Speaker 3: Tell people about your podcast Bananas.
Speaker 4: Bananas is a strange news podcast that Kurt and I host.
Speaker 4: We have wonderful guests, including Roz and it's a storytelling
Speaker 4: show with really awesome people. We've had Charlie's Theron and
Speaker 4: we've had Phoebe Bridges, but our best episodes are with
Speaker 4: our friends and funny people in our lives.
Speaker 1: Take a listen Bananas.
Speaker 3: Well that's it.
Speaker 2: That's all.
Speaker 1: Bye.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much to Kurt and Scottie. Be sure
Speaker 3: to listen to Bananas everywhere you get your podcasts. Guys,
Speaker 3: I love you so so much. I really appreciate all
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Speaker 3: you all, both living and dead. But if I didn't
Speaker 3: ask you to haunt me, don't haunt me?
Speaker 1: Okay by.
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Speaker 3: producer is the startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the
Speaker 3: allarming Alex Cheen. This episode was mixed and sound designed
Speaker 3: by the eerie Edson Choi. My guest booker is the
Speaker 3: petrifying Patrick Kuttner. Additional production support from the hair raising
Speaker 3: Hannah Kyle Krichten. My theme music is by the spine
Speaker 3: chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon. Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac,
Speaker 3: Photography by the terrifying Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the
Speaker 3: Chilling Karen Kilgariff, the Spooky Georgia hart Stark, and the
Speaker 3: Frightening Danielle Kramer.