1 00:00:01,240 --> 00:00:05,040 Speaker 1: Welcome to Haunted Road, a production of iHeartRadio and Grimm 2 00:00:05,080 --> 00:00:16,640 Speaker 1: and Mild from Aaron Minky. Listener, discretion is advised. One time, 3 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,400 Speaker 1: I practically begged to take a wooden leg home from 4 00:00:20,440 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: a haunted location I was investigating. I'm not proud of 5 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: this moment, but truly that leg became one of my 6 00:00:27,680 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 1: favorite stories of all time, and I just really wanted 7 00:00:30,800 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: to take it home, even though I had absolutely no 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: business having it. You see, when I arrived at this place, 9 00:00:37,640 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: no one had given much thought to the old wooden 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 1: prosthetic hanging on the wall, but I was of course 11 00:00:43,040 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: instantly drawn to it. When I asked about it, they 12 00:00:46,400 --> 00:00:49,479 Speaker 1: said they'd found it in the attic. I live in 13 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:51,680 Speaker 1: a three hundred year old house, and let me just 14 00:00:51,760 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: tell you, if I found a wooden leg in my attic, 15 00:00:54,880 --> 00:00:58,160 Speaker 1: it would be like Christmas. Don't judge me. I look 16 00:00:58,200 --> 00:01:00,560 Speaker 1: for ghosts for a living. What did you expect? Also, 17 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:03,680 Speaker 1: you're listening to this, so welcome to the party. Anyway, 18 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 1: In the room where the leg was, they had some 19 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 1: mischievous activity going on, including something that scared a bunch 20 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,959 Speaker 1: of kids trying to have a sleepover. I don't know why, 21 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 1: but I knew that leg was responsible, so I started 22 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: doing research. What did I find that one hundred years 23 00:01:22,200 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: before a literal one legged circus performer was a resident 24 00:01:26,560 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: in the home we were investigating, and that he had 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:32,560 Speaker 1: a penchant for playing tricks. The timeline of when he 26 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:34,600 Speaker 1: had lived and died in the home lined up with 27 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: the style of wooden leg, and on top of that, 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,280 Speaker 1: activity went wild when we brought him up in the room. 29 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: Imagine my excitement when I realized I had absolutely found 30 00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: a haunted prosthetic. Needless to say, they didn't let me 31 00:01:50,400 --> 00:01:54,200 Speaker 1: take the leg home yet, although it's definitely for the best, 32 00:01:54,800 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: and this location quickly became one of my favorites. We're 33 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:05,160 Speaker 1: talking about the Randolph County Infirmary in Winchester, Indiana. I'm 34 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:12,840 Speaker 1: Amy Bruney, and welcome to Haunted Road. To reach the 35 00:02:12,919 --> 00:02:17,320 Speaker 1: Randolph County Infirmary, visitors have to drive to rural Indiana, 36 00:02:17,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: not too far from the Ohio border. After cruising through 37 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:25,680 Speaker 1: empty farmland, guests will arrive in a city called Winchester. 38 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,520 Speaker 1: Outside the city proper, but still within the town's limits. 39 00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: They'll come upon a two story brick building with peaked 40 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:36,920 Speaker 1: metal roofs, A pair of turrets loom on either side 41 00:02:36,919 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: of the front door, dwarfing a concrete stairway between them. 42 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:47,680 Speaker 1: A carved inscription in stone reads Randolph co Infirmary. Inside, 43 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:51,359 Speaker 1: the hallways are dark and the plastered walls have holes 44 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 1: exposing the brick underneath. Some rooms have been restored to 45 00:02:55,200 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 1: their former glory with period appropriate furniture and fresh bright 46 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:02,920 Speaker 1: paint on the walls, but it wouldn't take long to 47 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:06,800 Speaker 1: walk from a welcoming sitting room to a crumbling chamber. 48 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:11,040 Speaker 1: Because the building was segregated by gender, there are two 49 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:15,279 Speaker 1: of everything. The facility features a pair of chapels, dayrooms, 50 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:18,480 Speaker 1: and infirmaries, one of which is filled to the brim 51 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: with dolls. The county bought the land in eighteen fifty 52 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:25,239 Speaker 1: one to build a poorhouse. While it had numerous different 53 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,519 Speaker 1: names over time, I will refer to the facility as 54 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: the Randolph County Infirmary throughout this episode for clarity. Even 55 00:03:33,560 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 1: before the residence halls were built, clients lived in the 56 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:41,360 Speaker 1: agricultural buildings on the grounds. These were low income people 57 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 1: who earned their keep by working on the on site 58 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,560 Speaker 1: farm if they were able. This included growing crops and 59 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,040 Speaker 1: tending to cows, chickens, and other animals. The official Randolph 60 00:03:52,160 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 1: County Asylum Infirmary website notes that the facility also provided 61 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,080 Speaker 1: housing for people who were too ill, elderly, or disabled 62 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: to pick up any chores. By eighteen fifty three, the 63 00:04:04,560 --> 00:04:09,160 Speaker 1: main housing building was completed with space to accommodate sixteen people, 64 00:04:09,680 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: but disaster struck almost immediately. The home burned down in 65 00:04:14,880 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: less than a year. When replacement housing was constructed, the 66 00:04:18,640 --> 00:04:23,159 Speaker 1: builders didn't follow proper procedure. According to Scott Schaeffer of 67 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: the Winchester News Gazette. Individual bricks were made on site, 68 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:31,799 Speaker 1: but they weren't baked properly, and rather than forming sturdy walls, 69 00:04:32,120 --> 00:04:36,400 Speaker 1: they began to disintegrate quickly. Within a few decades, officials 70 00:04:36,440 --> 00:04:39,560 Speaker 1: tore the building down out of fears about its stability. 71 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:43,800 Speaker 1: A third structure, the one that still stands today, was 72 00:04:43,839 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: erected just before the turn of the century. Unlike the 73 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: previous buildings, this one was solid and well built. It 74 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 1: cost fifty thousand dollars to fabricate, the equivalent of one 75 00:04:55,360 --> 00:05:00,040 Speaker 1: point eight million of today's dollars adjusted for inflation. It 76 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,080 Speaker 1: had a bell system that rang through the facility to 77 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: help residents stick to strict schedule. They ate and worked 78 00:05:06,880 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: on the farm at specific times, and according to the 79 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:15,680 Speaker 1: official Randolph County Asylum Infirmary website, it also boasted laundry 80 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: and kitchen facilities and a pair of dining rooms that 81 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: were segregated by gender. Other news structures on the grounds 82 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:28,239 Speaker 1: included chicken coops, barns, machine sheds, and more. In nineteen eleven, 83 00:05:28,520 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 1: the Monday Evening Press declared the Randolph County Infirmary one 84 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 1: of the best in the state, and its history is 85 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:40,840 Speaker 1: marked with several uplifting stories. For example, a thirty two 86 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:44,960 Speaker 1: year old former lumberjack named Jimmy Cantrell checked into the 87 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 1: Randolph County Infirmary in nineteen nineteen as spinal cancer left 88 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: him immobilized. He couldn't work a traditional job, but the 89 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: hospital's superintendent's daughter taught him tatting or lace making. Initially, 90 00:06:00,400 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: Jimmy was resistant to the new hobby. He later told 91 00:06:03,760 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: a reporter with the Muncy Sunday Star that he saw 92 00:06:06,880 --> 00:06:10,640 Speaker 1: tatting as women's work, something embarrassing for a man like 93 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: him to do, But after he gave it a try, 94 00:06:13,640 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: he discovered that he was incredibly talented at the craft. 95 00:06:17,680 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: He eventually opened a highly successful lace business and told 96 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: the same reporter, every once in a while, I think 97 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:28,680 Speaker 1: about learning to do something more along a man's life, 98 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,880 Speaker 1: But then I remember that I'm making something useful, for 99 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:37,839 Speaker 1: without beautiful things, life wouldn't be much worth living. This 100 00:06:37,880 --> 00:06:42,839 Speaker 1: story highlights how important organizations like the Randolph County Infirmary 101 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 1: could be. There's a real power in giving meaning and 102 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: purpose to people who might otherwise fall through the cracks. 103 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:54,760 Speaker 1: But as time went on, the conditions at the facility deteriorated. 104 00:06:55,760 --> 00:06:59,320 Speaker 1: Sometime along the way, someone installed a barred jail cell 105 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,600 Speaker 1: on the second Supposedly this was a place where inebriated 106 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,919 Speaker 1: residents could sleep off their alcohol binges, but reports suggest 107 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 1: some cruel staffers would also throw patients in the cell 108 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:17,040 Speaker 1: as a punishment, even for minor infractions. There were roughly 109 00:07:17,120 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: two hundred documented deaths on site, maybe more. One early 110 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: one happened in March nineteen oh six, not long after 111 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:28,680 Speaker 1: the newest version of the building was constructed, and five 112 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:31,720 Speaker 1: years before the newspaper sang its praises as the best 113 00:07:31,720 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: in the state muncies. The press described how a residence 114 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:39,160 Speaker 1: suffered an epileptic seizure while standing near the top of 115 00:07:39,200 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 1: the staircase on the third story. He fell nearly all 116 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,280 Speaker 1: the way to the ground floor and ultimately succumbed to 117 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:51,239 Speaker 1: his injuries from the fall. Decades later, another long term 118 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: resident became confused while attempting to cross the street and 119 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: stepped in front of an oncoming car. He was hit 120 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: and died the next day. There are numerous other accounts 121 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 1: of falls and car accidents, including one possible murder. In 122 00:08:07,680 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: nineteen forty three, a man named John Oliver Champ tumbled 123 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: out a second floor window and passed away afterward. There 124 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 1: are allegations that this fall was no accident. It's said 125 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 1: two other patients pushed him to his death, but these 126 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:27,760 Speaker 1: claims are unverified. However, I want to focus on one 127 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 1: more notable passing, that of Ida Gunkle. She suffered from neurosyphilis, 128 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: which was untreatable at the time she checked in in 129 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: nineteen thirty eight. Without medication. Syphilis is degenerative and causes 130 00:08:42,960 --> 00:08:47,480 Speaker 1: cognitive decline. In Ida's case, she was prone to running 131 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: through the halls and she had horrible hygiene. Before long, 132 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: her caretakers determined that a traditional room wasn't adequate for her, 133 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:59,880 Speaker 1: so they transferred her into the basement into a dungeon 134 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 1: like cell with barred windows. One evening, she hung herself 135 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: from the ceiling, and her final moments were anything but 136 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:11,880 Speaker 1: quick and painless. The drop didn't break her neck, so 137 00:09:11,920 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: she spent her last minutes choking and gasping for air. 138 00:09:15,840 --> 00:09:20,320 Speaker 1: She was found dead the next morning. In nineteen ninety four, 139 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: the Randolph County facility passed from public to private owners, 140 00:09:24,480 --> 00:09:27,600 Speaker 1: and the new administration tried to change the way they 141 00:09:27,679 --> 00:09:31,079 Speaker 1: ran the operation. Instead of ringing bells to keep all 142 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,040 Speaker 1: the residents on the same schedule, they instead tried to 143 00:09:34,080 --> 00:09:38,160 Speaker 1: add more flexibility to the calendar. This didn't go over 144 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,200 Speaker 1: well with the residents. By now only about twelve people 145 00:09:41,240 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: lived on site, a sharp decline from previous eras when 146 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,280 Speaker 1: the Randolph County Residents housed around ninety people. But those 147 00:09:49,320 --> 00:09:52,440 Speaker 1: dozen or so clients were adamant about sticking to the 148 00:09:52,440 --> 00:09:55,439 Speaker 1: way they'd always done things, and eventually the new owners 149 00:09:55,520 --> 00:09:58,840 Speaker 1: caved to their demands. A few years later, in nineteen 150 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 1: ninety seven, reporter with the Indianapolis News interviewed an eighty 151 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:07,240 Speaker 1: two year old resident named Doris Addington, who'd lived on 152 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: site since nineteen forty five. She described her time at 153 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: the Randolph County Infirmary to the journalists, saying, in the 154 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 1: old days it was like a dungeon here, terrible things 155 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,680 Speaker 1: were done. When the journalist asked her to elaborate, she 156 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:26,480 Speaker 1: burst into tears and couldn't answer. Later in that interview, 157 00:10:26,800 --> 00:10:30,600 Speaker 1: she alluded to something involving getting in a car with boys, 158 00:10:31,080 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: but this account was short on details. While the reporter 159 00:10:34,880 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: didn't get a clear explanation. Then it's not too late 160 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,360 Speaker 1: to learn from Doris. Even though she passed away in 161 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: two thousand and six, her spirit is sometimes spotted in 162 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 1: the kitchen where she used to work. Many claims she 163 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: moves items around, situating things just the way she once 164 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: liked them. She's also thought to be a presence in 165 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: the infirmary where she spent her final days. Mitch goth 166 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 1: Of haunted us for that. Doris loved porcelain dolls in 167 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 1: her life, and now the infirmary is filled with her 168 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: old figurines and other dolls that were left in her honor. 169 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,000 Speaker 1: Visitors claim these toys sometimes move on their own, as 170 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: though Doris is still arranging or playing with them. The 171 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 1: woman who killed herself, Ida Guncle, is also said to 172 00:11:21,000 --> 00:11:23,920 Speaker 1: haunt the basement cell where she took her own life. 173 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:27,640 Speaker 1: Many visitors who set foot in the chamber feel an 174 00:11:27,679 --> 00:11:31,920 Speaker 1: overwhelming sense of panic, and people have recorded a voice 175 00:11:32,080 --> 00:11:35,880 Speaker 1: urging them to get out. Ida seemingly saves the worst 176 00:11:35,920 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: of her ire for people who get facts about her 177 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 1: life wrong. According to the reality TV show Destination Fear, 178 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: Ida has been known to become violent against those who 179 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:50,080 Speaker 1: mock her or make untrue statements about her. She's even 180 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: scratched people deeply enough to drop blood. However, some visitors 181 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: have tried to placate her by bringing small gifts and 182 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: leaving them in her former room. Likewise, many guests bring 183 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:04,719 Speaker 1: toys as a gift for a boy who's been dubbed Noah. 184 00:12:05,080 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 1: One psychic claimed the child's ghost made contact with her 185 00:12:08,559 --> 00:12:11,040 Speaker 1: and asked for toys, and if you bring him an 186 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 1: offering he likes, he may try to play with you 187 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:18,520 Speaker 1: in his former first bedroom. Guests have also reported interactions 188 00:12:18,520 --> 00:12:21,599 Speaker 1: with the spirit of an unidentified judge who's said to 189 00:12:21,640 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: be particularly active in the attic. Mitch Goth claimed he 190 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: was notorious for his harsh verdicts in the courtroom. Apparently, 191 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:32,800 Speaker 1: after he was admitted to the facility, he continued to 192 00:12:32,880 --> 00:12:37,240 Speaker 1: wield his perceived authority, subjecting other residents to foe trials. 193 00:12:37,240 --> 00:12:41,079 Speaker 1: In the attic, investigators have captured his voice on tape, 194 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: and many feel as though they're being watched when they 195 00:12:43,720 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: reach the top floor. There's one eerie area on the 196 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:52,080 Speaker 1: second floor where guests often feel as though some invisible 197 00:12:52,120 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 1: attacker is punching them in the gut or grabbing their throats. Interestingly, 198 00:12:57,679 --> 00:13:00,240 Speaker 1: this isn't too far from the site of John Oliver 199 00:13:00,360 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: Champs deadly fall out the window. If it's true that 200 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 1: he was murdered by his fellow patients, these ghostly blows 201 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 1: might be a spectral echo of his final fatal moments. 202 00:13:11,760 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: Beyond that, the infirmary has many of the typical tell 203 00:13:15,760 --> 00:13:20,680 Speaker 1: tale signs of hauntings. Figures appear in empty spaces. Mitch 204 00:13:20,720 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: Goth describes some as white and misty and others as 205 00:13:24,240 --> 00:13:28,480 Speaker 1: more shadowy. Passers through might also feel as though someone 206 00:13:28,520 --> 00:13:31,600 Speaker 1: they don't see is touching them, and a tricycle in 207 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: the attic has rolled on its own. For an empty facility, 208 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: it's surprisingly noisy in unoccupied rooms, Guests may hear doors, 209 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 1: slam bangs on the walls, or voices including children's laughter, 210 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:48,400 Speaker 1: screams and moans frequently echo through the basement and near 211 00:13:48,440 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: the barred jail cell on the floor. Some of these 212 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: disturbances don't have a clear explanation. For example, at least 213 00:13:56,679 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: one visitor saw a figure in the basement that they 214 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:04,600 Speaker 1: described as resembling a baby octopus. Others have identified something 215 00:14:04,640 --> 00:14:08,720 Speaker 1: they call a creeper. The Hauntings around America web page 216 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: on Randolph County Asylum described the creeper as having an 217 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: ominous ambiance. It's said to charge it visitors moving impossibly fast. 218 00:14:19,720 --> 00:14:23,080 Speaker 1: It's clear there are many spirits with a variety of 219 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: different attitudes and personalities at the Randolph County Infirmary. To 220 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: tease out their stories, I'm going to speak with someone 221 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,760 Speaker 1: who spends a tremendous amount of time there, mister Ted Martin. 222 00:14:35,160 --> 00:14:37,800 Speaker 1: Ted heads up their tours and does a lot of 223 00:14:37,840 --> 00:14:41,800 Speaker 1: paranormal investigations on site, and he's got some very interesting 224 00:14:41,840 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: stories to share with us. That is coming up after 225 00:14:45,040 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: the break. All right, So I am now joined by 226 00:14:56,240 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: Ted Martin, who is the historian at the infirmary and 227 00:15:00,400 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: has a wealth of information. Also kind of has what 228 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: I consider to be a dreamy job. I'm a little jealous. 229 00:15:07,520 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: So welcome to the programs. 230 00:15:09,240 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 2: Ed, thank you. 231 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,480 Speaker 1: Now, when did you get started with the INFIRMI how 232 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: long have you been associated with that building? 233 00:15:14,680 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 2: A little over three years? 234 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: Now, that's great. And now did you just kind of 235 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:20,960 Speaker 1: fall into it or was it something you had an 236 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: interest in initially or. 237 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: No, I was actually the county historian and I was 238 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,000 Speaker 2: a president of the Historical Society. You yourself have been 239 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 2: to our museum up there, and I had retired from 240 00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: my full time job, and these guys knew me from 241 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:43,800 Speaker 2: working with them a little bit here and there, and 242 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 2: they called me and asked me if i'd like to 243 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:48,920 Speaker 2: have a job by meeting people at the door and 244 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 2: telling them the history and showing them around the place. 245 00:15:52,440 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 2: And it sounded like exactly what I wanted to do. 246 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 2: So how I become involved? 247 00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I mean I would say, you're the perfect 248 00:16:00,760 --> 00:16:03,840 Speaker 1: guy for the job. So now, did you have you 249 00:16:03,920 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: always believed in the paranormal or did the infirmary kind 250 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 1: of make you a believer? 251 00:16:08,600 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: The infirmary definitely made me a believer. To be quite 252 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:16,360 Speaker 2: honest with you, Ammy, I was fourteen years Army Infantry 253 00:16:16,680 --> 00:16:20,800 Speaker 2: and eighteen years firefighter, and I wasn't much that I 254 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:24,160 Speaker 2: was afraid of, to be honest with you, and I 255 00:16:24,200 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 2: didn't believe that this stuff was real. I always said 256 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 2: that somebody goad to walk up and shake my hand 257 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 2: and introduce themselves to me before I believe it. And 258 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 2: lo and behold, it basically happened here. 259 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 1: What was the moment, What was it that made you 260 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 1: a believer? 261 00:16:39,840 --> 00:16:42,480 Speaker 2: Well, the moment that made me believer. You remember me 262 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 2: telling you back when you guys were here about the 263 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: judge up in the attic. 264 00:16:47,720 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 1: Well, why don't you recount it for us, just because 265 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of listeners who aren't familiar. But I 266 00:16:52,080 --> 00:16:54,640 Speaker 1: do remember, okay. 267 00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 2: Well, I had told you about the judge had mock 268 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 2: court mock trials up in the attic. He came here 269 00:17:02,200 --> 00:17:06,200 Speaker 2: like in nineteen thirty eight, and he didn't have any 270 00:17:06,320 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: family or anything, and he offered to pay the county 271 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 2: commissioner's rent to live here, and of course nobody else 272 00:17:15,680 --> 00:17:18,160 Speaker 2: is paying anything, so they took him up on it. 273 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:21,919 Speaker 2: And so he was asked what he could do to 274 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 2: help people here and they had decided that he would 275 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:29,360 Speaker 2: be in charge of security, and so they let him 276 00:17:29,400 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 2: do mock trials up in the attic so that the 277 00:17:34,359 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 2: regular residents of the people here where he was a jury. 278 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,920 Speaker 2: And of course he had taken the superintendent to win 279 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 2: to Winchester to County jail, and they had purchased a 280 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,160 Speaker 2: jail cell and took the jail cell apart and brought 281 00:17:52,240 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 2: it out here and put it in one of the 282 00:17:54,000 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 2: rooms on the second floor. So if in his mock trials, 283 00:17:59,040 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: if he sentenced you to an overnight or a day 284 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:04,960 Speaker 2: or two in jail, he actually had a place to put. 285 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:05,880 Speaker 1: You, oh my goodness. 286 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 2: And so fortunately he was a good, honest man. He 287 00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 2: wasn't like he was a hanging type. 288 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:17,600 Speaker 3: Drugs that could have been bad, yes, And to be 289 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:21,160 Speaker 3: honest with you, since he was retired, he actually had 290 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: no legal authority. 291 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: But if the superintendent of this building says he could 292 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:30,680 Speaker 2: do it, and they let him do it, and people 293 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 2: are going along with it, well he can pretty much 294 00:18:33,480 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 2: do what he wants to do. So I remember one 295 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 2: evening I was up in the attic with some guests 296 00:18:42,359 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 2: that was up there, and there's two different guys and 297 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 2: both of them had SLS cameras, you know, the stick 298 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:53,399 Speaker 2: figure shoot a stick figure. And they asked me, they 299 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 2: said ted, They said, where is the jed holding him 300 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,680 Speaker 2: open his mock trials? And I said, right in front 301 00:18:59,720 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 2: of you. It was Christopher and Philip Booth is who 302 00:19:02,920 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 2: it was. 303 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, okay, you know who they are? Yeah, yeah, 304 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: I am familiar. 305 00:19:08,520 --> 00:19:12,200 Speaker 2: And so they asked me, worry, how did he mock trials? 306 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 2: And I said, right in front of you, right out there. 307 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:17,320 Speaker 2: And they said, why do you reckon he's here? And 308 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 2: I said, yes, I think he's still up there. And 309 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,280 Speaker 2: about that time Philip said, look at my screen on 310 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 2: my camera, on the computer screen, and I looked on 311 00:19:26,960 --> 00:19:30,000 Speaker 2: his computer screen and he had it pointing towards an 312 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:33,080 Speaker 2: upright up up there in the attic, and there was 313 00:19:33,119 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: a stick figurehead peeking around the upright and he said 314 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,120 Speaker 2: you recognize him and I said, yes, I do recognize him. 315 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 2: He said, well can you get do you know him? 316 00:19:44,640 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 2: And I said sure, I know him well enough I 317 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:49,199 Speaker 2: can talk about him. And he said, well, see if 318 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: you can get him to come out. So I went 319 00:19:51,840 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 2: down to where that upright was and I said, judge 320 00:19:55,040 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 2: listen to me, I said, THEMN cameras, them guy's got 321 00:19:58,440 --> 00:20:01,199 Speaker 2: can't hurt you. They won't hurt They'd like for you 322 00:20:01,280 --> 00:20:03,720 Speaker 2: to come out behind from behind this upright so that 323 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,680 Speaker 2: they could see you better. And of course I couldn't see. 324 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:10,439 Speaker 2: I didn't have no camera, and that's one of the 325 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:14,199 Speaker 2: big reasons why it didn't scare me to death. So 326 00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 2: I went over there and he I asked him to 327 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 2: come out, and I turned around and walked back across 328 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 2: the hallway and was leaning against a chimney up there, 329 00:20:24,480 --> 00:20:27,280 Speaker 2: and one of the guys, either Phillip or Christopher, one 330 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:32,439 Speaker 2: said he's following you. And then Christopher said, well, as 331 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,080 Speaker 2: a matter of fact, he's leaning against the chimney right 332 00:20:35,119 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 2: beside you. Well, if he's right beside me, that makes 333 00:20:38,760 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 2: him no further away than two feet away from me. 334 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 2: And I'm wanting to see him. And so I'm looking 335 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 2: real hard, looking real hard, and the next thing I know, 336 00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:52,840 Speaker 2: I break out into a cold sweat, and I feel 337 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: like I'm going to do a nose dive. I feel 338 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 2: like I'm going to pass out right, And I squatted down, 339 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 2: clothes to the floor, and Philip or Christopher popped up 340 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,399 Speaker 2: and said, then Ted, He said, Ted, I think he 341 00:21:07,640 --> 00:21:10,879 Speaker 2: likes you. He laid his hand on your shoulder. Well, 342 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,000 Speaker 2: that's what it was. He was zapping my energy, trying 343 00:21:16,040 --> 00:21:20,639 Speaker 2: to materialize, I guess, and that was making me sick. 344 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 3: Of course. 345 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,120 Speaker 2: I was scooted down next to the floor and I said, Judge, 346 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,000 Speaker 2: I said, if this is you, I said, you're going 347 00:21:28,080 --> 00:21:30,240 Speaker 2: to have to please get your hand off of me 348 00:21:30,320 --> 00:21:33,840 Speaker 2: because it's making me sick. I can't take it. And 349 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:37,679 Speaker 2: within ten seconds I felt fine, and I asked him 350 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:41,760 Speaker 2: what happened, and Christopher said, well, I believe he dropped 351 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,879 Speaker 2: his hand off your shoulder and walked back across the 352 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:48,520 Speaker 2: opening hallway there and went back behind the upright, and 353 00:21:48,600 --> 00:21:52,280 Speaker 2: we can't see him now. So any skepticism of my 354 00:21:52,440 --> 00:21:55,359 Speaker 2: head went right out the window. That night, I couldn't 355 00:21:55,400 --> 00:21:59,159 Speaker 2: see it. I couldn't feel anything, but something was bothering me. 356 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:01,879 Speaker 2: Something was making really feel tapped. 357 00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: Right, And I mean the timing worked out to you. 358 00:22:04,040 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 1: I mean, what an interesting story, like I can't imagine, 359 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 1: first of all, the way that man lived. You know, 360 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: He's just like I'm gonna rent the attic of the 361 00:22:12,320 --> 00:22:14,680 Speaker 1: infirmary and hold mock trials like, this is what I'm 362 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,640 Speaker 1: doing with my life. And so obviously he already had 363 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 1: kind of an interesting personality, so it makes sense that 364 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: he would stick around, and it makes sense that he 365 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:25,720 Speaker 1: would have an affinity for other people, especially people dedicated 366 00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: to the location. So I think that's really interesting if 367 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:32,120 Speaker 1: someone visits the informer, like I've been there, and honestly, 368 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,359 Speaker 1: I adore that building. I love the history there, I 369 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: love the activity there. The feeling there can vary greatly, 370 00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,440 Speaker 1: Like in some places it feels very warm and inviting, 371 00:22:41,480 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 1: and I've been in other places where it feels a 372 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:46,199 Speaker 1: little bit like we don't want you here, you know, 373 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: And it just depends on the day. I would say. 374 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,399 Speaker 1: But along those lines, when people visit, what would you 375 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 1: say is the most common activity that they report or 376 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: that they experience. 377 00:22:57,000 --> 00:23:00,840 Speaker 2: Well, I would say the most common experience most people 378 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: have is with either a guncle the lady that hung 379 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:10,960 Speaker 2: herself down in the basement, or with Doris Addington, the 380 00:23:11,000 --> 00:23:13,440 Speaker 2: whole woman that cooked here for seventy years. 381 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: Right, those were two names that came up a lot 382 00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 1: in my research, and I mean I found both of 383 00:23:18,800 --> 00:23:22,240 Speaker 1: their stories fascinating. I love Doris just because she's kind 384 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:24,359 Speaker 1: of a recent figure, and I was able to find 385 00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:28,640 Speaker 1: like photos of her and everything still there. How does 386 00:23:28,680 --> 00:23:32,280 Speaker 1: she manifest? How do people know that they're encountering Doris. 387 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 2: Well, she'll either interact with him to a spirit box 388 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 2: down in the kitchen around the island down there in 389 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 2: a basement, or she'll interact with them in the room. 390 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 2: And she passed away in a sick room up here 391 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:50,360 Speaker 2: on the first floor where all her dolls. 392 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,480 Speaker 1: Are at Okay, And so the dolls that are there, 393 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,840 Speaker 1: those actually belong to her, are those dolls that people 394 00:23:54,880 --> 00:23:55,640 Speaker 1: bring for her. 395 00:23:56,119 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 2: One album on the shelves against the north wall in 396 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 2: her room are really hers. All the others that are 397 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,520 Speaker 2: in there is people that's heard the story by listening 398 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 2: to different things like this, and they bring her doll. 399 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,639 Speaker 2: And if they bring her a doll and present it 400 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:18,800 Speaker 2: to her, it's usually on film or on tape or something. 401 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 2: And she has never yet neglected not to thank somebody 402 00:24:23,400 --> 00:24:26,400 Speaker 2: for giving her a doll. If you've got a spirit. 403 00:24:26,119 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: Box, wow, So if people bring a doll, most likely 404 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: they're going to get some sort of interaction with her, 405 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 1: like her actually thanking them for it. 406 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,520 Speaker 2: I can't guarantee it naturally, you know how. Yeah, but yes, 407 00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 2: actually most of the people do have some kind of 408 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: interaction with her. 409 00:24:43,440 --> 00:24:46,399 Speaker 1: See. I like that, that kind of interaction between you know, 410 00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,520 Speaker 1: the living and the dead. It's this kind of very 411 00:24:49,520 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 1: peaceful kind way of getting activity. Right now, as far 412 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,439 Speaker 1: as ida I know, most of the activity involving her 413 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,840 Speaker 1: seems to be in the basement. Is that. 414 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:05,399 Speaker 2: Right? It's in that room. Supposedly she hung herself in 415 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 2: that room. 416 00:25:06,359 --> 00:25:08,680 Speaker 1: And how does she manifest? What does she do? 417 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:12,560 Speaker 2: Well, you got to have a K two meter in there, 418 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,600 Speaker 2: and she'll she'll light it up bright red. She'll pag 419 00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: it clear to the top. Now there's a there's a 420 00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 2: there's an electricity line across the ceiling in there, but 421 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 2: as far as I know, there's no electricity to it. 422 00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 2: I've never seen that light work before. When she when 423 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:36,760 Speaker 2: she manifests herself, your K two meter will basically jump 424 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,359 Speaker 2: out of your hand. I mean, it PAGs it right, 425 00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 2: bright red. 426 00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:41,320 Speaker 3: Yeah. 427 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,920 Speaker 1: Sometimes I think that those kind of items like K 428 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: two's are the things that light up. I just think 429 00:25:47,200 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: that spirits sometimes that's just a very easy way for 430 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: them to communicate. It's like this universal language, like everyone 431 00:25:54,000 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 1: understands a light or a knock or something like that. Now, 432 00:25:57,280 --> 00:26:00,440 Speaker 1: as far as people visiting that, you did you guys 433 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,119 Speaker 1: do daytime tours non paranormal related, right? Or is everything 434 00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:05,320 Speaker 1: paranormal related? 435 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:08,920 Speaker 2: Well, I do history tours through the daytime, or if 436 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 2: I just tell people the history of the place and 437 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,400 Speaker 2: then take them a walk through the building. But it 438 00:26:15,400 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 2: doesn't really matter whether it's daytime or night. I've had 439 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,120 Speaker 2: his people see shadow figures and everything else when I'm 440 00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:23,440 Speaker 2: just doing a history tour. 441 00:26:23,640 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 1: That's what I was going to ask if. I was 442 00:26:25,240 --> 00:26:26,879 Speaker 1: going to ask if when people come in to do 443 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,399 Speaker 1: like a history tour, are they ever surprised and suddenly 444 00:26:29,480 --> 00:26:31,760 Speaker 1: have a paranormal experience? They weren't bargaining for. 445 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:36,959 Speaker 2: Right they have. I've I've had one young guy swear 446 00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 2: that there was a big, tall shadow figure like standing 447 00:26:40,720 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 2: in the hallway at the end on the men's side 448 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 2: of the second floor, and we were cleared down the 449 00:26:46,720 --> 00:26:49,680 Speaker 2: hall from him, and he swore that he's standing right 450 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 2: there beside the door. And I was convinced that he 451 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,480 Speaker 2: saw something. I really was. 452 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 1: So now did he remain or was he done with 453 00:26:58,119 --> 00:26:58,920 Speaker 1: the tour at that point? 454 00:26:59,160 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 2: Well, he remained. The young man. He was with his mother, 455 00:27:03,119 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 2: and they went ahead, and we still had to go 456 00:27:06,080 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 2: the remainder of the second floor enough through the attic, 457 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:11,080 Speaker 2: and they went on with it. 458 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:14,160 Speaker 1: Well that's good. Have you ever had anybody just who 459 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: had enough and was like, I'm done, They're out, They've 460 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:17,719 Speaker 1: they're leaving the building. 461 00:27:18,280 --> 00:27:22,600 Speaker 2: Usually it'll be a man, and usually it'll be a 462 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: time when he's going I don't know whether he's trying 463 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 2: to prove something to himself or what. But we've had 464 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 2: two different guys show up by themselves and going to 465 00:27:32,880 --> 00:27:38,600 Speaker 2: stay here by themselves at night, and both guys have 466 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: called me later at night and said that they're not 467 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 2: there anymore, that they went on down to the motel 468 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,159 Speaker 2: a couple of miles down the road from here, and 469 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:52,400 Speaker 2: so they just had enough of it, and they basically 470 00:27:52,480 --> 00:27:53,480 Speaker 2: would scare them all. 471 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,120 Speaker 1: Oh jeez. I mean, I wonder what they were doing. 472 00:27:56,480 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 1: I think I get hang there by myself for the night. 473 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,679 Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know, I might get lonely, but 474 00:28:04,119 --> 00:28:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't know if I get scared, I. 475 00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:07,520 Speaker 2: Don't think they'd let you get long. 476 00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,440 Speaker 1: I guess you're right, that's true. Now on the day 477 00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:12,679 Speaker 1: to day, now I know that. You guys get a 478 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: lot of shadow figures in that persons. Have you got 479 00:28:14,600 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: any identifiable evidence or interactions where they say their names 480 00:28:19,760 --> 00:28:22,280 Speaker 1: or names you weren't familiar with anything like that. 481 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:27,360 Speaker 2: Well, one of them was I saw personally. I saw 482 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 2: and a young girl with me, and I saw a 483 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 2: figure of Doris go across from the ladies dining room 484 00:28:37,920 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 2: down there in the basement, and she kind of floated 485 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,360 Speaker 2: through that doorway into the kitchen, and I could see 486 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: from her waist up. And so since I know what 487 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 2: Doris looks like, I could definitely recognize who that was. 488 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 1: And now, remind me what year did Doris pass away? 489 00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,400 Speaker 2: If I'm not mistaken, I think it's nineteen eighty. 490 00:28:59,120 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: Four, okay, And then why do you think she stays there? Like, 491 00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:03,760 Speaker 1: what's your theory? 492 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:09,080 Speaker 2: Well, once she was here, you know, I've told you 493 00:29:09,160 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 2: a story about about every church in town. When they 494 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 2: would have a function, like a food gathering or something, 495 00:29:16,480 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: they would always ask Doris to help them cook. And 496 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:25,000 Speaker 2: when she was doing that, different people of the church 497 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:28,560 Speaker 2: to offer her a place to stay, and she would 498 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,120 Speaker 2: always turn it down. She'd always say, no, I got 499 00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: to get back out there. Somebody might have missed her 500 00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 2: supper tonight I got to get ready for him. So 501 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 2: I feel like, basically she was dumped here by her sisters. 502 00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 2: But I feel like as she stayed here throughout the years, 503 00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,640 Speaker 2: she felt obligated to the place, and so she just 504 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 2: didn't want to leave. She wanted to be out here 505 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:56,400 Speaker 2: and wanted to make sure she was doing what she 506 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:57,640 Speaker 2: was doing right. 507 00:29:57,680 --> 00:29:59,640 Speaker 1: It's almost like she felt kind of a sense of 508 00:29:59,720 --> 00:30:03,280 Speaker 1: duty to the place. Now, I think I'd talked about 509 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: it in the first half, but I'm trying to remember, 510 00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: like how many years. I feel like she lived there 511 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:09,520 Speaker 1: for like forty six years or something. Do you remember 512 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,040 Speaker 1: how many years it was she spent there. 513 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: She was here for seventy years, So. 514 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:16,280 Speaker 1: Seventy years, so I wait, seventy years, So that's really 515 00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: all she knew. So it really makes perfect sense why 516 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: she would be a very prevalent spirit there because if 517 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: I remember correctly, did she have any living relatives when 518 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: she passed or anything, or. 519 00:30:30,840 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 2: Well, she had family. She's not buried down here in 520 00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 2: a pauper graveyard. I think she's buried and found Park 521 00:30:37,920 --> 00:30:43,040 Speaker 2: Cemetery right in Winchester. But like I said, she had 522 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: I think the longer she stayed here, the more of 523 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 2: an obligation she felt like she added to this place. 524 00:30:49,760 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 2: And so this was just her life, is what it was. 525 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now besides her and Ida, are there any other 526 00:30:57,800 --> 00:30:59,760 Speaker 1: spirits that you can think of at the top of 527 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: your who kind of make themselves known pretty regularly? 528 00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,360 Speaker 2: Well, the judge, like I said, up in the attic, 529 00:31:07,000 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: and there's a boy in the room down there. He 530 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:15,120 Speaker 2: interacts with people by jahn asking you to take one 531 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 2: of the notebooks in there and the drawing pencils, and 532 00:31:18,920 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 2: he'll interact with people to a spirit box by asking 533 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:26,120 Speaker 2: him to draw him a picture. You got to remember, 534 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,600 Speaker 2: in his world, it's nineteen forty three. 535 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's that makes sense for probably something he 536 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 1: enjoyed in life too. Are you guys hosting do you 537 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: have paranormal investigations there pretty regularly and tours and everything? 538 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 1: How does that work? 539 00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,160 Speaker 2: Well, we got a schedule and there's a yearly schedule 540 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:51,560 Speaker 2: Roucate and you have doctor her, but she scheduled, Well, 541 00:31:51,680 --> 00:31:56,680 Speaker 2: there's one just about there's more more scheduled days than 542 00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 2: there are open days. 543 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,960 Speaker 1: Oh, I can imagine, I can imagine. I feel like 544 00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: places like that, you know, I think that you're you're 545 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: bringing to light a really important part of history. And 546 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,479 Speaker 1: I also find the building to be beautiful. And I 547 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:14,080 Speaker 1: also think that probably for a long time, there wasn't 548 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: anybody talking to those spirits there, So I think it's 549 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: great that, you know, it's become kind of a regular 550 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,120 Speaker 1: thing for people to come in and interact with them. 551 00:32:22,160 --> 00:32:23,880 Speaker 1: And you guys have all been lovely. I've met you 552 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:26,280 Speaker 1: all a couple of times now, and I'm eager to 553 00:32:26,320 --> 00:32:29,360 Speaker 1: get back there. So I really do enjoy what you're doing. 554 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:32,240 Speaker 2: Well, we enjoyed having you all here. I hope you 555 00:32:32,520 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: get back soon. 556 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,560 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, so really quick. If people want to 557 00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 1: visit the infirmary, I know you mentioned Kate, is there 558 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 1: a website or anything that they can head to or 559 00:32:41,480 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: anyone they can call if they want to schedule time 560 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:44,280 Speaker 1: or take a tour. 561 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe it's called save Saving the Old Proberies 562 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 2: dot com. 563 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:53,680 Speaker 1: All right, Save Theold Properties dot com? All right. And 564 00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 1: I know that you the people who run the infirmary, 565 00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,720 Speaker 1: they've they're building up quite the portfolio of really cool 566 00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: old buildings in that area, and I think that is awesome. 567 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,600 Speaker 1: So I think this is one of the byproducts of 568 00:33:05,600 --> 00:33:08,960 Speaker 1: paramol investigation that sometimes there are buildings that really wouldn't 569 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: have a life otherwise, and this is a way to 570 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:14,600 Speaker 1: kind of fund that, but also keep history alive and 571 00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: also keep those spirits happy. So I appreciate everything that 572 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 1: you guys do. 573 00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's not very many old buildings around here that 574 00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:26,960 Speaker 2: doesn't get their attention. I'll say that. 575 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:29,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, recently bought one. 576 00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 2: If I can kind of put a plug in, Yeah. 577 00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: Of course. Listen, you want to tell me about your 578 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,800 Speaker 1: new old building, you go right ahead. 579 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:41,480 Speaker 2: Recently just bought one down the land, which is only 580 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 2: like seven or eight miles from the infirmaries, south of 581 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:49,320 Speaker 2: the infirmary, and it was the old the old church 582 00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,280 Speaker 2: as a Nazarene church that they bought it land and 583 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,360 Speaker 2: at the church at Jim Jones grew up again. 584 00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that's quite the history. So well, I can't 585 00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,880 Speaker 1: wait to hear more about that. I'm going to have 586 00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:04,840 Speaker 1: to come visit soon and jump from all these properties. 587 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: So thank you so much for joining me. I really 588 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,480 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time, and hopefully we see each 589 00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:11,759 Speaker 1: other in person again soon. 590 00:34:12,360 --> 00:34:16,759 Speaker 2: Thank you for giving the opportunity for the exposure, we 591 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: really appreciate it. 592 00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,920 Speaker 1: Randolph County Infirmary represents an odd tension that's true of 593 00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:29,680 Speaker 1: almost any care facility. It can be a happy place 594 00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:32,200 Speaker 1: where people go to get their life back on track, 595 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: but not every resident will be a success story, and 596 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: for some it will be a site of tragedy. For 597 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: every patient, like Jimmy Cantrell, who found purpose and meaning 598 00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:46,279 Speaker 1: making lace, there were others who saw the hospital as 599 00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 1: an unspeakably terrible place. This dichotomy is reflected in the 600 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:55,960 Speaker 1: spirits that remain today, some friendly and some not so much. 601 00:34:56,920 --> 00:35:00,680 Speaker 1: As we all know, life is complicated, and it seems 602 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:04,680 Speaker 1: that death can be as well. I'm Amy Bruney and 603 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: this was Haunted Road. 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