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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily on esp

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Speaker 1: in Cleveland. Here are your hosts, Bo Bishop and Nathan Ziggura.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's see a live on a Monday at

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Speaker 1: this year the program merely bow in the great z Um.

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Speaker 1: All Right, I'm gonna I want to do a little

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Speaker 1: exercise with you here. I appreciate you not asking me

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Speaker 1: how I'm doing. I think my T shirt speaks for itself.

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Speaker 1: George mzzana my mood. That's a good, fantastic, it's not pleased,

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Speaker 1: all right, if I let's go, let's go. Let's throw

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Speaker 1: then and Mr Fusion and let's go back to Friday

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Speaker 1: Friday Show. If I were to tell you that Lamar

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Speaker 1: that Mark Andrews would not catch a pass, not catch

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Speaker 1: Jackson in fact would go nine of sixteen from the

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Speaker 1: field for a one and twenty yards, if I were

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Speaker 1: to tell you those things, And then if I were

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Speaker 1: to tell you that Jacoby Brissette was gonna go twenty

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Speaker 1: those things, you would have said, what Brown's win handily,

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Speaker 1: what a masterful game plan on defense? You completely neutralize

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Speaker 1: one of the best players in the NFL. I really

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Speaker 1: I don't even think that's an overstatement. And I'm talking

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews first and foremost, not a catch. Every team

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Speaker 1: in the league goes into games against the Baltimore Ravens

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Speaker 1: wanting to stop Mark Andrews. They don't do it. Why

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Speaker 1: he's that good. So the Brown's ability to completely take

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews out of a game. And when I say completely,

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Speaker 1: I mean completely take Mark Andrews out of a game.

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Speaker 1: Mark Andrews has had no catches in a game twice

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Speaker 1: in his career, twice in his career Week fourteen of

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Speaker 1: the two thousand and eighteen season, which I believe is

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Speaker 1: his rookie year. Right, He's came in same years basis,

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Speaker 1: Just to put in context. In his rookie season, he

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Speaker 1: say we we effectively took out the most dynamic weapon

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Speaker 1: I would say that Jacoby Brissette was awesome. I would

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Speaker 1: no doubt in my mind that we won this game. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and here's the deal. Um, so this is probably a

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Speaker 1: just result. Here's the problem. Going into this game. You're

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Speaker 1: where you played relatively well. You played well, I'm not

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Speaker 1: even relatively well. You played well. The things that did

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Speaker 1: of crazy calls. I don't know that they're you know,

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Speaker 1: the past interference on Cooper, the false start. I was weak,

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Speaker 1: was so weird. It was I don't know, but whatever

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Speaker 1: this loss, if you are four and two rings entirely different.

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Speaker 1: The reason that this one sucks and the reason that

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Speaker 1: lost last week. Because you lost the Jets, that's the reason.

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Speaker 1: this one hurts worse. This was this is a blueprint.

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Speaker 1: That is the blueprint for us to win games weekend

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Speaker 1: We had so many opportunities to get off the field

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Speaker 1: And so how do they get to twenty three points? Well,

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Speaker 1: Thirteen plays thirty eight yards field goal. That's thirteen points

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Speaker 1: And we played for the most part, we outplayed them.

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Speaker 1: Somebody's like they ran it down our throat. No, they

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Speaker 1: That's what happened. Here. Here's the issue. Third downs, they're

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Speaker 1: In Baltimore at their place, you outgained them. You statistically

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Speaker 1: Just in games there is no margin like the way

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Speaker 1: That wins man, that should win. Rushing hundred and thirteen

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Speaker 1: Five sacks though allowed. Jed Wills had a rough outing

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Speaker 1: won this game. That's why to me, this one hurts

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Speaker 1: you'll hear from coach at the podium. Do we have

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Speaker 1: He'll join us at two o'clock. Coach Tefanski's press conference

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Speaker 1: from today. As I mentioned, there's a ton of injuries

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Speaker 1: Now here's your head coach Kevin's de fans get the podium.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. Guys understand how frustrating it is when when

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Speaker 1: And UH with that, I'll take any questions, Kevin. Did

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Speaker 1: this league. I get it. He created some separation there,

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Speaker 1: so you're you're beholden to whatever the officials, uh saw. Hey, Keim,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you about the last two minutes of

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Speaker 1: the first half and the first series of the third quarter.

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Speaker 1: I think that you had called ten straight path plays.

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Speaker 1: So my question is, why wasn't Nick Chubb? Wh why

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Speaker 1: don't you give called running place for Nick? And those

431
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Speaker 1: in those two parts of the game. Yeah, I think

432
00:23:48,240 --> 00:23:50,720
Speaker 1: you know, we got into a two minute drive Jeff

433
00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,080
Speaker 1: at the end there, and we didn't come away with points.

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Speaker 1: I think we started on the twelve yard line, got

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Speaker 1: it out there to the forty two. Uh, and we

436
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Speaker 1: stalled in And that's you know, I take that that

437
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Speaker 1: upon me. I have to get the offense to break

438
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,359
Speaker 1: through there. You're trying to score a touchdown, settle for

439
00:24:07,400 --> 00:24:10,080
Speaker 1: a field goal, and we did either we punted, and

440
00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: that's really unacceptable. But when you get in those two

441
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Speaker 1: many situations, Jeff, sometimes Kareem is in there as our

442
00:24:15,800 --> 00:24:18,480
Speaker 1: two minute back, as our third down back, and in

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Speaker 1: a lot of ways that's to keep Nick fresh throughout

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Speaker 1: the game. Um. And then we come out of the

445
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Speaker 1: second half and we go sack completion to Nick and

446
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Speaker 1: then strip sack. Um. So that that's uh, that's how

447
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: it went down. UM. It's not what we're trying to

448
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: do obviously, UM. Trying to just be efficient in the

449
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Speaker 1: run in the past game, trying to avoid third down

450
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Speaker 1: as best we can and come away with points when

451
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,679
Speaker 1: we have opportunities to do it. So when it's not

452
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Speaker 1: good enough, that's that's on me and us to get

453
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Speaker 1: it fixed. And there were just too many moments there

454
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Speaker 1: where the offense hit a lull and versus a good team,

455
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Speaker 1: you just gotta you have to make the most of

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Speaker 1: your opportunities and and I didn't feel like we did that,

457
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Speaker 1: and that fall squarely on me. Yeah, Kevin, you know,

458
00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,679
Speaker 1: last week we hear from John Johnson about guys, you know,

459
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Speaker 1: the commitment that we talked so much about. There are

460
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Speaker 1: reports that guys were pretty loud and animated in the

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Speaker 1: locker room yesterday. Do you feel like the players are

462
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Speaker 1: at a real breaking point or maybe boiling over with

463
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Speaker 1: their frustration. No, I don't. That's a short answer. The

464
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:22,600
Speaker 1: long answer is losing is frustrating. I think, I think

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Speaker 1: I hope everybody gets that. Um, nobody likes it. It's

466
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:29,199
Speaker 1: a horrible feeling. Uh, look around the league, and I

467
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,400
Speaker 1: know there's buildings that feel like we do right now,

468
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:35,920
Speaker 1: and it's it's it's not fun. Um. But I know this.

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Speaker 1: These guys work hard, Uh, they play hard, and they're

470
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Speaker 1: going to continue to prepare and and that's what we

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Speaker 1: we have to do. And that's why this opportunity right

472
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Speaker 1: in front of us, starting with this money N game,

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Speaker 1: That's why it's so important. Yeah, Kevin, I I know

474
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Speaker 1: every season is different, um In things were just so

475
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Speaker 1: challenging for you guys, and it just seemed that no

476
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Speaker 1: matter what was thrown at you as far as adversity,

477
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Speaker 1: you guys just were able to handle it and and

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Speaker 1: be successful and be at your best. So my question

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Speaker 1: is that why this year do you guys as a

480
00:26:10,840 --> 00:26:15,800
Speaker 1: team seemed to be struggling with adversity, whether it's you know,

481
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Speaker 1: one play or a penalty or whatever. Just seems to

482
00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:21,359
Speaker 1: things kind of snowball a little bit on you. So

483
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Speaker 1: why do you think it's been so tough for you

484
00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:25,879
Speaker 1: guys this year to kind of not allow that adversity

485
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Speaker 1: to to stop you. Yeah, I think you're right there

486
00:26:29,600 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 1: on every year is different. I really can't compare the years.

487
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Speaker 1: I just think where we are right now, we gotta

488
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Speaker 1: find a way to win. You know, I've said it.

489
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Speaker 1: You've heard me say there are the little things in

490
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Speaker 1: football that you have to do to win on the margins,

491
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Speaker 1: um And we gotta start doing them. Because these games

492
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Speaker 1: are close. That's the NFL. That's why the product is

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Speaker 1: so great. It's so exciting because these games are close.

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Speaker 1: We've won close games before. Uh, and we have to

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Speaker 1: find ways to close these out. Um, and that's something

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Speaker 1: that we're working really hard on. All Right, there's coach

497
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Speaker 1: at the podium, and I think, you know, the big

498
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Speaker 1: overwhelming thing just from a you know, these injuries have

499
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Speaker 1: really stacked when you think about the chief injury, Jacob

500
00:27:08,600 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 1: Phillips now done for the season. So at linebacker we're

501
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: now down two guys. I mean, the Anthony Walker Jr. Injury.

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Speaker 1: I feel like we gave it the proper perspective it

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Speaker 1: deserved when that injury happened. That's come through. Although the

504
00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,480
Speaker 1: linebacking play was really good this week. Congratulated coach Tarver's group.

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Speaker 1: They they flat out did a great job. But now

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Speaker 1: Phillips done too, so that that room has been thinned

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Speaker 1: out quite a bit. Uh here in the first heck,

508
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Speaker 1: we're seven games in, man. Yeah, it's it's unfortunate. You know,

509
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Speaker 1: injuries take a toll, and they happen around the National

510
00:27:40,119 --> 00:27:43,760
Speaker 1: Football League and no exception obviously. You know, the Ravens

511
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Speaker 1: had guys out last week of guys of consequence for them.

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00:27:46,680 --> 00:27:49,359
Speaker 1: The Browns have guys out now and yeah, you're banged

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Speaker 1: up pretty good in that linebacker room. But good thing.

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Speaker 1: You got Dion Jones, right, yeah, so now you got

515
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Speaker 1: Dion Jones. You still got Taki, Taki, still got jeremiahsu Cormoah,

516
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Speaker 1: you activated Dakota Allen. You've got Jordan Kunashak as well,

517
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:04,639
Speaker 1: so Gnash you can play some backup mic linebacker for you.

518
00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:07,119
Speaker 1: So yeah, you're still there. Our base is still in

519
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,639
Speaker 1: nickel defense anyway. So I mean, usually you're gonna have

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00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 1: two guys on the field, and we got you know,

521
00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 1: three quality starters, and we got some backups. And it

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Speaker 1: is what it is. This is what it is. This team.

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Speaker 1: Nobody's gonna cry for the injuries of the Browns. So

524
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Speaker 1: a lot of teams have injuries. I mean the Niners.

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Speaker 1: Niners are even more decimated. Yeah, Mahomes has been good.

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Speaker 1: to eight three nine nine um look, it's brutal it's

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00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,479
Speaker 1: a brutal loss. Um, but it's my feeling on it

552
00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 1: is different than it has been in previous ones. And

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Speaker 1: we'll get Joe's take on this in a second. Um,

554
00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: as this I think you you brought we were talking

555
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Speaker 1: about this earlier in the very first segment that now

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Speaker 1: you are addressing everything as you said it two in five,

557
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,360
Speaker 1: like everything's on the table. Uh, there's already being some

558
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Speaker 1: reporting out there that Kareem Hunt is being the calls

559
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: are being made about Kareem Hunt. We said that in

560
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Speaker 1: the first ten minutes of the show that that makes

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Speaker 1: sense has to be the case. Um, you now have

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00:30:12,280 --> 00:30:15,680
Speaker 1: major losses at the tight end position, and so what

563
00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: does that look like going forward for this team? There

564
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,760
Speaker 1: are certain things that need to be addressed, probably right

565
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Speaker 1: away before you play a game on Monday against Cincinnati,

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Speaker 1: and the tight end position would be at the top

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Speaker 1: of that list. I don't think we're in the move though.

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving up draft picks to acquire anybody for

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Speaker 1: no, no no, no, I'm saying we just need You got

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Speaker 1: Millard forest All on the practice squad. You got Zeyra

571
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: Mitchell Payton on the practice Mitchell Payton is a good blocker,

572
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Speaker 1: huge human being. Forrest All can be your second tight end.

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Speaker 1: We'll probably live in eleven personnel. You know, I'd like

574
00:30:45,440 --> 00:30:48,000
Speaker 1: to see more of Mike Woods at this point. You know,

575
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Speaker 1: bells out there. It just feels like he never makes plays.

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Speaker 1: He's playing a lot. And he'd say, how many was

577
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Speaker 1: he targeted? This one and the one on the sideline

578
00:30:58,800 --> 00:31:01,560
Speaker 1: was the only time he was targeted. Yeah, yeah, and

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Speaker 1: then Schwartz was inactive. Schwartz. Yeah. I feel like at

580
00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,920
Speaker 1: this point that ships sailed. I mean, you've gotta be

581
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: so pleased with the way that Donovan People's jones has progressed.

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00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: I mean, think about this. He targeted Donovan People's Jones,

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Speaker 1: David Njoku and Amari Cooper a combined seventeen times. They

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Speaker 1: caught a combined sixteen passes for two hundred and twenty

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00:31:24,600 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: six yards, So two or twenty six yards of the

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Speaker 1: two came on seventeen passes out of the twenty seven

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Speaker 1: and sixteen completions out of the twenty two. To those

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Speaker 1: three guys, they've been great. Amori made the catch on

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Speaker 1: the sideline. I don't know, it's just a stunning catch

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Speaker 1: that he makes. He's an unbelievable player. He's an unbelievable player.

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Speaker 1: I mean, then again, some peoples like when I said

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Speaker 1: that was a touchdown play, No it wasn't it his

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Speaker 1: offense pass reference? Okay, questionable call it best number one,

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Speaker 1: number two. It doesn't change the fact that that play

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Speaker 1: call resulted in a chunk play possible potential and was fine.

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00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:04,000
Speaker 1: It was a good obviously, it was a good play called.

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00:32:04,000 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 1: We went on third down and hear one person, that's

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Speaker 1: what I think. It's so funny and hypocritical about people

599
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: who like to complain about decision making. I'll have you know.

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00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 1: It was also a third down and reasonable where we

601
00:32:13,560 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 1: threw at the Donovan people's jones up the sideline, yeah,

602
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Speaker 1: and got thirty seven yards and not one person was like, oh,

603
00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: well we should have run it on that one. Well

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Speaker 1: why didn't Why don't you say that in there? Why

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Speaker 1: don't you say it there? Because? Oh, because it was complete?

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Speaker 1: Is that why? Oh? Got it? Okay? It's it's the

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00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:31,880
Speaker 1: same thing as It's very similar to a tweet I

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Speaker 1: got Saturday as I'm watching Ohio State play Iowa and

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Speaker 1: somebody tweeted me, well, c J. Stroud lost the heisman today.

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Speaker 1: They want scored fifty four points. He threw for two

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Speaker 1: eight six yards and four touchdowns. I assure you he

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Speaker 1: did not lose the heisman today. No, he's gonna be

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00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: just fine. There. It's there's an irrational bit that comes

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00:32:52,560 --> 00:32:55,360
Speaker 1: with social um. And that's why I think this game

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00:32:55,440 --> 00:32:58,080
Speaker 1: is is a tricky one for everybody because it is

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Speaker 1: it's it is, and it's at the bottom of an

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00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 1: avalanche of things that went wrong. But this is the

618
00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: this is a tiny pebble in comparison to what's happened.

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Speaker 1: It's that because the margin has been removed because you

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00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: didn't take care of business and when the games you're

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Speaker 1: supposed to win in the first six, this one is

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00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: worse than it previously. Would have been the proverbial straw

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Speaker 1: that broke the camel's back. But it is not what

624
00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: overloaded the camel. No, not at all. I'll tell you what.

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Speaker 1: It's not fun I can tell you that, no, it's not.

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00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 1: It's not fun um. But here's the deal. And you

627
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 1: lived through this with the two seasons where it was

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00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:42,440
Speaker 1: really bad. Losing in football is really sucks because there's

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Speaker 1: a physicality to it and there's a pain that comes

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Speaker 1: with it, and and so when when things start to

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Speaker 1: go wrong, it's brutal to get through it. The good

632
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: news here and it's hard to find any And I'm

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Speaker 1: I don't think this is much of a stretch. All

634
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,720
Speaker 1: you want to do at this point is to play

635
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,080
Speaker 1: somewhat meaningful games. When Deshaun Watson comes back in December

636
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: and we are in jeopardy of it, we're a long

637
00:34:07,320 --> 00:34:10,319
Speaker 1: ways from that right now being the case, yes you are.

638
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:16,239
Speaker 1: I remember saying in September, what's the minimum requirement? And

639
00:34:16,239 --> 00:34:17,959
Speaker 1: we were like, I, you'd love to be six and five.

640
00:34:18,000 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: You'd love to be five and six at the worst.

641
00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:22,319
Speaker 1: I remember asking pointedly, and I said five and six

642
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: was the worst. Four and seven. Maybe you can sell it.

643
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:30,880
Speaker 1: But by the way, Deshaun Watson does not fix these ills.

644
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: Jacoby Brissette was sixty. This isn't this isn't on like

645
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 1: Watson is not this elixir that I can say that right.

646
00:34:41,480 --> 00:34:44,960
Speaker 1: Certainly would we be better with DeShawn. But Jacoby Brissette,

647
00:34:45,000 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: in two of the games we lost, by the way,

648
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:52,799
Speaker 1: played phenomenal football. Phenomenal football. It is amazing that he

649
00:34:52,840 --> 00:34:55,359
Speaker 1: only completes twenty one or twenty two passes every single game.

650
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: By the way, Oh it's I mean, I think it's

651
00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:00,239
Speaker 1: very but I know none of it's by accident. Yeah,

652
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: but one week through, well that's that is true. Yeah,

653
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,400
Speaker 1: but it feels like this is the similar percentage consistently

654
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,520
Speaker 1: six straight games. I think completion it's crazy. That's nuts. Yeah,

655
00:35:14,640 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: it's absolutely nuts, um from a perspective of a So

656
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 1: that's why you're getting the reported calls about Kareem Hunt

657
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: and all of that, because now what happened with this loss,

658
00:35:23,520 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: and it's really these now consecutive losses where you now

659
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 1: are doing two you're doing two different things. You were

660
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:32,400
Speaker 1: doing something where it was how can we make a

661
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:36,520
Speaker 1: run this year, and now you're saying, let's continue to

662
00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,959
Speaker 1: try to make a run. Let's try to win games

663
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 1: and try to be relevant when Watson comes back, so

664
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 1: we play meaningful games in December and January. But also

665
00:35:45,080 --> 00:35:48,560
Speaker 1: if there's an opportunity for us to enhance our abilities

666
00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:50,520
Speaker 1: next year in the draft, then we have to do

667
00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 1: those things too. So that's without giving up core players,

668
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:55,759
Speaker 1: not gonna give up core young players. And with the

669
00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:58,359
Speaker 1: when it comes to Kareem, I'm thinking I either want

670
00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,239
Speaker 1: to trade if if if he were to be do

671
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,800
Speaker 1: you want to trade him for a good pick or

672
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 1: a young player in a position You're like, like like, if

673
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,120
Speaker 1: there's somebody who says, we don't like this receiver is

674
00:36:08,120 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: not happy here, like the Jets right now, I would

675
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:15,080
Speaker 1: be like, Okay, here comes Kareem Hunt to you. We'll

676
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:17,279
Speaker 1: take Elijah More, thank you very much. If we have

677
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,960
Speaker 1: to throw a late round sweetener on that, fine, but

678
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,320
Speaker 1: that has a chance to actually affect you. Not only

679
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: that's a long term play a guy. You got a

680
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: guy in his rookie contract for two more years who

681
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 1: I know was very highly thought of in this building. Like,

682
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:32,719
Speaker 1: that's something that would interest me. He wants out of there.

683
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: He wasn't even active this week. They put they had

684
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: Elijah More out the personal reasons, but obviously you know,

685
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,560
Speaker 1: he demanded his trade and then and everything went down there.

686
00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 1: So maybe that's something and maybe we're playing fantasy football

687
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,600
Speaker 1: here or whatnot, but that is what that's what would

688
00:36:46,600 --> 00:36:49,040
Speaker 1: interest me. I'm only doing things if it helps you

689
00:36:49,080 --> 00:36:53,120
Speaker 1: this year. That's a ants, that's like bonus. But everything

690
00:36:53,160 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 1: you're doing is for the future now, not that you're

691
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,760
Speaker 1: giving up on this season. But you're not making moves

692
00:36:58,120 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: that would cost you in the future when you have

693
00:36:59,920 --> 00:37:02,239
Speaker 1: a full season of Deshaun Watson at the expense of

694
00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:05,360
Speaker 1: things that can help you with those in those years. No,

695
00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 1: there are in the a f C right now currently

696
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,160
Speaker 1: there are three teams with four game losing streaks US

697
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:19,160
Speaker 1: Denver Jacksonville. Jacksonville has not one since they won at

698
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 1: the Chargers, and Denver has lost four in a row.

699
00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:25,440
Speaker 1: Those that's it. That's the list in terms of that

700
00:37:25,520 --> 00:37:28,719
Speaker 1: number I was mentioning of of four and seven. There

701
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,919
Speaker 1: are three teams in the a f C East above

702
00:37:31,000 --> 00:37:33,320
Speaker 1: five hundred. There are two in the North above five hundred,

703
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,360
Speaker 1: there's one in the South, and there's two in the

704
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: West above five hundred. Everybody else is five hundred or

705
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: lower in the a f C. So there's not a

706
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,920
Speaker 1: but everyone's up running away with with the exception of

707
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:48,680
Speaker 1: the Bills and the Chiefs there they are above, but

708
00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:51,279
Speaker 1: they're above everybody. But everybody else is in the mix.

709
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: And you've got now that's glasses have fault. The gas

710
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:59,439
Speaker 1: glass of empty is Joe Burrows throne for seventy yards

711
00:37:59,520 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 1: last two week, and he'll be here on Monday with

712
00:38:01,480 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 1: that full Cavalcado receivers. The good news there is you've

713
00:38:03,880 --> 00:38:07,640
Speaker 1: had success against them, but they the Bengal teams we've

714
00:38:07,640 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: seen the last two weeks against the Saint and the

715
00:38:09,040 --> 00:38:11,320
Speaker 1: Falcons are different than the Bengals teams we've seen the

716
00:38:11,360 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 1: previous four weeks. So you'll get them on Monday. You've

717
00:38:15,040 --> 00:38:18,000
Speaker 1: got the trade deadline on Tuesday at four o'clock a

718
00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,960
Speaker 1: week from week from tomorrow. Yeah, and then the bye

719
00:38:23,040 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: week after the Bengals game. So that's your if you're

720
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: doing some long term planning, that's where you're at right now.

721
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:34,360
Speaker 1: From a schedule standard, everything would be Oh dude, it's unbelievable.

722
00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 1: This is where we are in and after seven games, Look,

723
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: Vegas had it this way. What did they have our

724
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,160
Speaker 1: win total at six and a half, seven, seven and

725
00:38:43,200 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: a half something like that. If you'll look at all

726
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,319
Speaker 1: the prognasticating at the beginning of the year, a lot

727
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: of people had us in this mix seven and ten,

728
00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:55,719
Speaker 1: six and eleven, you know, because the Watson suspension went

729
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: from six games to eleven, and so you had to

730
00:38:59,120 --> 00:39:01,800
Speaker 1: find a way to stay above water. And that was

731
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 1: everything that we said. Did I think we'd be here God, No,

732
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:07,839
Speaker 1: of course not. Should we be here, No, you guys

733
00:39:07,880 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 1: watched the games just like we did. Yeah, but the

734
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:13,440
Speaker 1: reality is that once those first four went the way

735
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 1: they went, and then the next two went the way

736
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: they went, Now you had to have the money deposited

737
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: in the bank, and we didn't do it. Nope, No

738
00:39:25,080 --> 00:39:27,960
Speaker 1: we did not. No, we did not. That's very frustrating.

739
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,279
Speaker 1: And there's, you know, so many things people are upset

740
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:31,960
Speaker 1: about in this one. You know, the O p I,

741
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,800
Speaker 1: the false start nonsense, the fact that after they blocked

742
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:36,520
Speaker 1: the kick, eight seconds went off the clock, so it

743
00:39:36,600 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: went inside the two minute ward forty second? How did

744
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 1: that happen? Was? Is that not reviewable? And can nobody say, hey,

745
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:46,920
Speaker 1: wait check the clock on this or home clock cooking.

746
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: I guess it was crazy. I mean it's I guess

747
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 1: it's based on when they decided to blow the whistle

748
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: that the play is dead. But I'd have to go,

749
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,239
Speaker 1: is that there is no two minute warning if it

750
00:39:57,320 --> 00:39:59,719
Speaker 1: goes No, because it went past the two the two

751
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: minute morning would be like, it doesn't give you another play.

752
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean that's huge. Yeah, and we never got an

753
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,359
Speaker 1: explanation on the block on the false start so did

754
00:40:10,480 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: you see I don't know if you saw in Good

755
00:40:11,760 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: Morning Football? Did you see this GiB Bay So apparently

756
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:21,840
Speaker 1: Michael Dunn's right foot, but it's still after the guys

757
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: on crash the other side of the line and they

758
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:27,040
Speaker 1: made contact. Here's what I think this, here's what I

759
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: think on television versus I don't know what it was

760
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: like for you guys live on television, it looked like

761
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 1: they called a false start, hard bass screaming. They moved,

762
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 1: They moved the ball. They moved. You can hear him

763
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: mouth that. You can see mouthing. They moved the ball.

764
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: They moved and it was almost like they changed the call.

765
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:51,160
Speaker 1: Ye me, it seemed like Harbas said they moved the ball.

766
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:52,959
Speaker 1: By the way, I'll tell you something that somebody who's

767
00:40:53,000 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 1: been on the sidelines, no chance he could even see

768
00:40:55,160 --> 00:40:57,200
Speaker 1: the ball when they're all lined up like that, No

769
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 1: no chance, no no chance. I feel like Harbor lobbied

770
00:41:01,600 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: and got it change. Just what it seemed like to me.

771
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 1: I heard on TV. They were going nuts like they were.

772
00:41:07,160 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 1: They could not come up with any sort of rational.

773
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: Territory was like sterritories had nothing, There was no But

774
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: that's why you need this sky judge to be like, no,

775
00:41:20,680 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 1: this is what happened. That's why you need They picked

776
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 1: up after all the roughing the passer penalties have happened

777
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 1: around Lea. They picked one up where he did get

778
00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:29,680
Speaker 1: hit in the head. Like it or not, that is

779
00:41:29,719 --> 00:41:32,000
Speaker 1: the rule. You made contact with the quarterback's helmet, that's

780
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:35,440
Speaker 1: a that's roughing. They picked that up and then the

781
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 1: op I was one of the weirdest plays ever because

782
00:41:38,600 --> 00:41:41,680
Speaker 1: everybody stopped and Mari stopped. I was like, I wonder

783
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: why he's why is he stopping? He stopped, Peter walked

784
00:41:44,480 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: into the end zone. Everybody stopped playing. It's not like

785
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,280
Speaker 1: he shoved him to the ground. They were hand fighting

786
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 1: and he barely like that's never calmed. He had his

787
00:41:52,960 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 1: arm here the whole time. Then just gave a little

788
00:41:56,320 --> 00:42:00,080
Speaker 1: It really isn't Yeah, I kind of it's kind to

789
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,200
Speaker 1: like my um like when I say to the kids

790
00:42:02,239 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: a lot like if you are if you are good

791
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 1: and respectful and kind hearted, and you're that way to

792
00:42:11,400 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: adults and children and parents and teachers, you will be

793
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,800
Speaker 1: given a benefit of the doubt. And it's almost like

794
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: we get the opposite of that. If you don't do

795
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,879
Speaker 1: those things, then people will assume that you're guilty because

796
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:25,120
Speaker 1: they'll say, well, you've always been And that's kind of

797
00:42:25,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 1: what I feel like the he didn't count, Yeah we

798
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,960
Speaker 1: can count again. Yeah, But it goes back to what

799
00:42:31,080 --> 00:42:33,800
Speaker 1: I was saying to off the top of these little

800
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: things that we're dissecting here or there. While they would

801
00:42:37,000 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 1: still hurt, they wouldn't be season redirecting had we taken

802
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: care of the business we were supposed to take care

803
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:48,880
Speaker 1: of in the first six games. And that's the reality

804
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:53,120
Speaker 1: that we could be sitting here four and three going, God,

805
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 1: we let one got to get away. We should be

806
00:42:54,960 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: in first place in the division. That would be the tone.

807
00:42:57,800 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: Instead we're trading Kareem Hunt, like that's what happens when

808
00:43:01,360 --> 00:43:03,520
Speaker 1: you don't do the stuff you're supposed to do in

809
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,120
Speaker 1: the first five six games. And it just feels like

810
00:43:06,200 --> 00:43:10,000
Speaker 1: that this is this season is while not over, is hanging,

811
00:43:10,239 --> 00:43:12,440
Speaker 1: is on life support at the bat at the minimum,

812
00:43:12,480 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: and you have to start thinking about next season as

813
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 1: opposed those solely being focused on this season. You're doing

814
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 1: two things. Now, it open up two parallel lines of thought.

815
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,360
Speaker 1: One you want to beat you have to beat the Bengals.

816
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:26,800
Speaker 1: If you don't beat the Bengals, I think at that

817
00:43:26,880 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 1: point it is no, not yet, because you can still

818
00:43:30,080 --> 00:43:31,959
Speaker 1: get to four and seven, And how are you gonna

819
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: win the division? Well you're not, but you can still

820
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: go to four and seven at that point, and you

821
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 1: can still get to a point where Watson comes back.

822
00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:41,759
Speaker 1: You can at least you're saying it two and six.

823
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying nine and eight. Overall, somehow we're still gonna

824
00:43:44,560 --> 00:43:46,840
Speaker 1: go like seven and one. No, I'm saying, if you

825
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 1: can get to four and seven with Watson and go

826
00:43:48,760 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: five and one with him, you're nine and eight. You're

827
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: playing meaningful games in December. Dude, I told you last

828
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,760
Speaker 1: week you and I can't sit up here on a Friday.

829
00:43:55,960 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 1: I said this. These are my words and not yours.

830
00:43:58,040 --> 00:43:59,760
Speaker 1: You can't sit here on a Friday and say Patriots

831
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 1: games must win and then that happens and then act

832
00:44:02,640 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 1: like it's not. It was so it must win. This

833
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,440
Speaker 1: one was a must one. Yes there, it's so. We

834
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: we've done that too much to sit here and act

835
00:44:10,680 --> 00:44:14,440
Speaker 1: like they're not. They were too deep to come out

836
00:44:14,440 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: of it. That's so. What you can do, though, is

837
00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,000
Speaker 1: so I'm not even talking playoffs, I'm talking about playing

838
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:23,200
Speaker 1: meaningful games in December with Watson. What's that can be done?

839
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: Playoff implications the hope I'd rather see him play in

840
00:44:29,440 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 1: in the hope of that not. You know, we need

841
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,759
Speaker 1: to win games, right, So if you look at the

842
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,360
Speaker 1: four that you have, the two most winning winning, the

843
00:44:38,440 --> 00:44:43,240
Speaker 1: most likely wins left before him are Miami and Tampa

844
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: Bay and the Bengals. We've beat the beating them four

845
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,879
Speaker 1: times in a row. The way they looked the last

846
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:51,040
Speaker 1: two weeks, it's hard to rab it when we beat him,

847
00:44:51,080 --> 00:44:53,800
Speaker 1: they had just smoked somebody last year. We're not what

848
00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: we were a year ago, though. This is it's turn

849
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: that a good defensive performance this week, so hopefully what

850
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: that can stack you hope by the end of the

851
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,120
Speaker 1: week we'll talk ourselves into it. I mean, you're last

852
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:09,600
Speaker 1: six with just sewn back at Houston. I like to

853
00:45:09,680 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: think that. My point is, though, if we don't beat

854
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: the Bengals, okay, and we're two and six, trailing by

855
00:45:15,200 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: a minimum minimum of two games if we lose, Bingers

856
00:45:20,080 --> 00:45:23,360
Speaker 1: were down three games of the Bengals, right, yeah, they're

857
00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 1: now since and he's going two in the division Baltimore

858
00:45:26,560 --> 00:45:28,200
Speaker 1: is two and all. Yeah, but what's their record overall?

859
00:45:28,360 --> 00:45:30,600
Speaker 1: They would be five and three, okay, and we would

860
00:45:30,600 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 1: be two and six. So we would be down three

861
00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: games to them and not have the type baker over them.

862
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:38,359
Speaker 1: We would be down. If the Ravens lost, we'd still

863
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: be down to without a type breaker over the Ravens.

864
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 1: If the Ravens Tampa Bay on Thursday night, if the

865
00:45:43,920 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: Ravens win that game, we'd be down three to both

866
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:51,400
Speaker 1: of them without the tiebreaker over either of them. But

867
00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 1: what I but I what I said though, just that

868
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: was just happening in the a f C. Though no

869
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:56,880
Speaker 1: one's running away with it. Seven teams get in. You

870
00:45:56,960 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: still might with above five hundred record get it being

871
00:45:59,840 --> 00:46:02,920
Speaker 1: a wild card team. That might happen. You talk yourself

872
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 1: into that, and I think you have to be able

873
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: to do that by the time he comes back. No

874
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:14,360
Speaker 1: one's now you're gonna get Right now, it feels like

875
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 1: it feels like you're going to get the wild cards,

876
00:46:19,680 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 1: which of which there are three in the a f C.

877
00:46:23,040 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 1: It feels like the Jets are gonna make it. It

878
00:46:25,560 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: feels like the Ravens or Bengals will make it, and

879
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 1: then it could be the Dolphins, who knows, who knows,

880
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: That's what I'm saying, Like they're not running away behind

881
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 1: between your point that you're just making on them. If

882
00:46:42,600 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 1: you were to somehow win the next three. Now you're

883
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: six and six, so what you or whatever? Five and six?

884
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 1: So so that's what I'm saying. I'd like to have

885
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: some signs of life before I'm running off three game

886
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 1: winning streaks. Well, dude, that's why I said. You had

887
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:57,799
Speaker 1: to beat the Patriots, and you had to beat the Ravens,

888
00:46:57,840 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: and you had to beat the Charges, and you had

889
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: to be the Jets. To do any team with less

890
00:47:00,680 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: than two minutes to go, you didn't do any of

891
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 1: it with no timeout. And that's why this game. To

892
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 1: wrap this up, that's why this lost to Baltimore. I

893
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: don't have the same emotional attachment to it because we

894
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: played pretty well. The reason that I do, and compared

895
00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:16,399
Speaker 1: to what we've done in previous weeks, here blow this one.

896
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,759
Speaker 1: And we didn't play poorly against the Chargers either. Now

897
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:23,000
Speaker 1: that one we blew them, we got beaten by the Patriots.

898
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 1: Why this one hurts me is because had we won

899
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:29,800
Speaker 1: it regardless taking all everything else into account. Had we

900
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,600
Speaker 1: won on Monday night, we're in first place in the

901
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 1: a f C North. So like losing this game, all

902
00:47:35,120 --> 00:47:36,799
Speaker 1: of a sudden, you go from being a game away

903
00:47:36,800 --> 00:47:38,320
Speaker 1: from me in first place in the ANC North to

904
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: if you win, whoop, do you do your two games

905
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: behind or maybe three games behind? I guess that. I

906
00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:52,319
Speaker 1: think we're both the same thing, the same issue. This all.

907
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: We did about everything you could and we still lost.

908
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,399
Speaker 1: But my point is, if we had won that game,

909
00:47:58,760 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 1: you had a chance to fundament only alter the course

910
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,400
Speaker 1: of the season with two consecutive wins. Now, winning two

911
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,239
Speaker 1: consecutive games just means you're two games under your what

912
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: you get to back to four and five, and you're

913
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:11,080
Speaker 1: still not in first place in the division. If you're

914
00:48:11,120 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: beating the Ravens and beating the Bengals, you would have

915
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,080
Speaker 1: been in first place. You had to beat the Ravens

916
00:48:15,120 --> 00:48:16,879
Speaker 1: before that could be a thing, and we had every

917
00:48:17,120 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 1: opportunity to. We played a good game, and we lost anyway,

918
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:25,000
Speaker 1: because big bulls eye for me on special teams like

919
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: and special teams has cost us a lot of games

920
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:29,600
Speaker 1: this year, and we don't have the margin to be

921
00:48:29,760 --> 00:48:32,880
Speaker 1: losing those games. And now here we are at, you know,

922
00:48:33,160 --> 00:48:38,759
Speaker 1: two and five, feeling like where are we going this year?

923
00:48:38,760 --> 00:48:40,440
Speaker 1: And as you said, they're now two parallel pass It

924
00:48:40,520 --> 00:48:42,840
Speaker 1: used to be a singular focus on this season and

925
00:48:43,120 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: be having this be a season of consequence. And I

926
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: think that hurts our fans. I think it hurts our coaches,

927
00:48:47,520 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: I think it hurts our players. I think it hurts

928
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: everybody in this building, everybody in this city, and everybody

929
00:48:51,800 --> 00:48:54,600
Speaker 1: who follows this team around the country and the world.

930
00:48:54,760 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 1: And I've gotten text from people all around the world

931
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 1: about it. Another quint like tailgating touchdowns and twisted tea

932
00:49:01,880 --> 00:49:03,839
Speaker 1: tastes just like realized ta. You know why because it's

933
00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: made with real brood iced tea, cool, refreshing five percent

934
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: kick of alcohol. It's thirst down gold, twisted t hard

935
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:11,879
Speaker 1: iced tea. Keep it twisted. The haff joining us coming

936
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: up next. You listen to Cleve the Brown's Daily on

937
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938
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Speaker 1: your Cleveland Browns, Let's head out on the hotline for

941
00:49:55,400 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: a visit with our great friend Joe Thomas. It is

942
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:01,760
Speaker 1: the Joe Thomas our of the program. Uh huf. Honestly,

943
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:04,719
Speaker 1: in in comparison to what we've seen in previous weeks,

944
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:07,440
Speaker 1: we played pretty well in this one. Um, just not

945
00:50:07,640 --> 00:50:10,200
Speaker 1: clutch and not an ability to to get wins when

946
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:12,759
Speaker 1: wins are there to be gotten. But in terms of

947
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:14,359
Speaker 1: trying to do all of the things that you wanted

948
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: to do, we kind of did that, and yet a

949
00:50:16,360 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: loss is a loss in now two and five, My friend,

950
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:21,000
Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on on on what happened yesterday

951
00:50:21,000 --> 00:50:24,719
Speaker 1: out in Baltimore. Yeah, I was listening to Kevin Stefanski's

952
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,360
Speaker 1: postgame presser and I heard the word frustrating about a

953
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:30,319
Speaker 1: thousand times, and Glad I'm not playing a drinking game

954
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 1: where we have to drink every time I hear frustrating,

955
00:50:32,280 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 1: because I'd be on the floor by now. And that's

956
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:37,080
Speaker 1: exactly why I feel as a fan, like how many

957
00:50:37,160 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 1: times this season already have we said I was frustrating?

958
00:50:41,440 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: We didn't do this. We we played so well, We

959
00:50:43,920 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 1: showed so much promise in this game. Our defense played

960
00:50:47,040 --> 00:50:49,400
Speaker 1: their best game of the season. We limited Lamar Jackson.

961
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,640
Speaker 1: We talked about how Andrew Berry wanted to create this

962
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: fast defense with fast linebackers, where we could play three

963
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: safeties and get all the speed on the field to

964
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: limit those quarterbacks like r Jackson that want to run

965
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: the football. And we did all those things. Jacoby Broussett's

966
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,080
Speaker 1: playing much better football than he did last week. He's

967
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:10,920
Speaker 1: hitting balls down the field, he's making connections with the

968
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:13,919
Speaker 1: Marii Cooper. But yet in the critical moments in the game,

969
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:18,680
Speaker 1: you have critical penalties, you have mistakes that are being

970
00:51:18,760 --> 00:51:21,360
Speaker 1: made by some of our best players. And it is

971
00:51:21,440 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 1: frustrating when those things happen, because if you want to NFL,

972
00:51:26,360 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 1: you've got to be able to make those plays in

973
00:51:28,280 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: those big moments, and we didn't. And it's been a

974
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:35,520
Speaker 1: theme of this season. And here we are two and five,

975
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 1: and for me, this one hurts so much because had

976
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:42,200
Speaker 1: you just gotten yourself to you know, three and four

977
00:51:42,280 --> 00:51:43,799
Speaker 1: being the Ravens, you could have got the first place

978
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: with the win over the Bengals. Now now we're we're

979
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:50,480
Speaker 1: nowhere near it where where it's And it's brutal when

980
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 1: you watch this game and you say to yourself and

981
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:54,000
Speaker 1: and Bo and I did this. At the top of

982
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:56,480
Speaker 1: the show. Mark Andrews no catches for the first time

983
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,759
Speaker 1: since his rookie season zero catches. Lamar Jackson was neutralized

984
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: as a runner and as a passer. They ran for

985
00:52:03,320 --> 00:52:05,359
Speaker 1: three point six yards to carry. They ran it a lot,

986
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: but not very effectively. And yet we lost a game

987
00:52:08,600 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 1: in which Jacobe Prosecco is two twenty seven two sixty yards.

988
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,439
Speaker 1: Nick Chubb runs for yards over five yards a carry.

989
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: I mean, how do we keep losing these games? Why

990
00:52:18,120 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: do we not know how to win? And what the

991
00:52:19,640 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: hell is going on with our special teams? Yeah, no kidding,

992
00:52:23,239 --> 00:52:25,960
Speaker 1: I mean I'm watching the Giants yesterday. Brand day Ball,

993
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: former coach of mine, got a lot of respect for him,

994
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: and so I enjoy watching the way he coaches his

995
00:52:31,719 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: team and how his team executes. And the Browns have

996
00:52:35,040 --> 00:52:37,600
Speaker 1: way more talent across the board than the Giants, but

997
00:52:37,760 --> 00:52:40,400
Speaker 1: they're finding a way to win in those critical moments,

998
00:52:40,719 --> 00:52:42,719
Speaker 1: and in a league of parody where the whole thing

999
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 1: is set up for equality, like of the team's fan

1000
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,520
Speaker 1: bases in the NFL are mad right now because they

1001
00:52:50,560 --> 00:52:52,719
Speaker 1: feel like they should be better because everybody's kind of

1002
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:56,040
Speaker 1: in the middle but what makes the difference is the

1003
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,680
Speaker 1: execution that you make in those critical moments, like that

1004
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: is the difference in today's NFL, Bill Belichick, Bill Parcels.

1005
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: A long long time ago, they understood the importance of

1006
00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:11,200
Speaker 1: special teams and then situational football and being smart and

1007
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: sound and fundamentally perfect in those critical moments, and you

1008
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:18,840
Speaker 1: win so many games throughout the course of the season

1009
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: by just doing those things that take a little bit

1010
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,279
Speaker 1: of effort. It's not even a talent thing, right, It's

1011
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: something that takes no no talent. It's purely execution and

1012
00:53:27,640 --> 00:53:31,000
Speaker 1: focus and practicing with a purpose and being good in

1013
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:34,040
Speaker 1: those moments that wins and loses you games in the NFL,

1014
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,880
Speaker 1: And we could be in first place by games in

1015
00:53:37,960 --> 00:53:40,160
Speaker 1: the a f C North, and instead we're sitting at

1016
00:53:40,200 --> 00:53:42,919
Speaker 1: two and five, and it's not acceptable anymore. I heard

1017
00:53:43,200 --> 00:53:46,239
Speaker 1: there was a lot of shouting in the locker room

1018
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 1: after the game. Z. Maybe you're still upstairs, but that

1019
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 1: was one of the things that you know, a lot

1020
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: of the reporters talked about today, and I like that.

1021
00:53:53,800 --> 00:53:57,360
Speaker 1: I like that the older guys, the leaders on that

1022
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:01,840
Speaker 1: team hopefully are expressing how important every little thing that

1023
00:54:02,040 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: you do is to the young guys in the team,

1024
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,920
Speaker 1: because this is what we talked about earlier in the season.

1025
00:54:07,000 --> 00:54:08,359
Speaker 1: Bow when you ask me, like, how do you get

1026
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:11,799
Speaker 1: better in that situation football? How do you get better

1027
00:54:12,000 --> 00:54:14,160
Speaker 1: at executing in those hard moments? And a lot of

1028
00:54:14,239 --> 00:54:16,560
Speaker 1: it is experienced, but also I think for the young

1029
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:20,640
Speaker 1: guys who don't have that experience, just expressing to them

1030
00:54:20,840 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 1: how important everything you do in the NFL is in

1031
00:54:24,680 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: practice in meetings, when you're going through those walkthrough to

1032
00:54:28,200 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: be locked in and focused on your job like it's

1033
00:54:32,200 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 1: the super Bowl even though it's a walkthrough, that's how

1034
00:54:34,680 --> 00:54:36,839
Speaker 1: you carry over and then you're able to play big

1035
00:54:37,080 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 1: in the big moments in the game. And I think

1036
00:54:39,520 --> 00:54:42,359
Speaker 1: I really hope that some of the young guys are

1037
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 1: starting to get the message like this season is going

1038
00:54:45,200 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: to be over before you know it, and do not

1039
00:54:47,440 --> 00:54:50,640
Speaker 1: squander the opportunities, which they have been doing. But you

1040
00:54:50,680 --> 00:54:53,160
Speaker 1: can't do it anymore, Like we're at more than a

1041
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:55,440
Speaker 1: crossroads right now, but we're still not out of it.

1042
00:54:55,600 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: Like that's why I think the young guys gotta understand

1043
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,040
Speaker 1: it's so frustrating and disappoint but it's not over it.

1044
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:05,359
Speaker 1: But it has to start immediately. Well, the hard thing too,

1045
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:06,840
Speaker 1: I think is and it's been a you know, you

1046
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,719
Speaker 1: mentioned the report of the yelling back and forth, you know,

1047
00:55:09,960 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: yesterday in the locker room. We had press conferences here

1048
00:55:12,680 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 1: last week with John Johnson. We had one of Joel Betonio.

1049
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: We're talked about, you know, being a pro and ethic,

1050
00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:20,720
Speaker 1: work ethic and all of these things, and and taking

1051
00:55:20,760 --> 00:55:23,120
Speaker 1: your work home and focus on all of that. Joe,

1052
00:55:23,480 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 1: you can speak to this because you were self motivated

1053
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 1: and you did exactly You knew what you had to do,

1054
00:55:27,840 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: and you got ready on a weekend, week out basis.

1055
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:33,560
Speaker 1: But guys are different, right, and some guys, some guys

1056
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,280
Speaker 1: need somebody in him and yelling at him and motivating

1057
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:38,239
Speaker 1: them that way. Other guys are self motivated. They do

1058
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: it on their own. When you hear some of the

1059
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,799
Speaker 1: comments that you heard coming out of here last week,

1060
00:55:43,520 --> 00:55:48,759
Speaker 1: what what's going through your head? I was excited to

1061
00:55:48,880 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: hear it because I think it's absolutely true because you

1062
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: could see it on the outside, Like when you're not

1063
00:55:54,400 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 1: making plays when you should in the most important moments

1064
00:55:58,239 --> 00:56:01,080
Speaker 1: in the game. To me, that either means it's not

1065
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:04,560
Speaker 1: important enough to you. You lack focus in the game

1066
00:56:04,880 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: or in the preparation for the game, and it seems

1067
00:56:08,440 --> 00:56:12,759
Speaker 1: like they play hard. It seems like the effort and

1068
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:15,800
Speaker 1: the focus is there on game day on Sundays. However,

1069
00:56:16,040 --> 00:56:19,760
Speaker 1: if you're continually not making those plays, that's a reflection

1070
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 1: on your preparation. So I was glad to hear John

1071
00:56:23,000 --> 00:56:26,759
Speaker 1: Johnson and Joel call guys out as warning shots because

1072
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,279
Speaker 1: you know what's been happening behind closed doors. But they're

1073
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: sort of like a hierarchy of tears on how to

1074
00:56:32,400 --> 00:56:34,480
Speaker 1: get these guys to wake up, right. It was the

1075
00:56:34,520 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: same thing on when I was there. It's the same

1076
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: thing everywhere in the NFL. Like, the first thing you're

1077
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:41,560
Speaker 1: gonna try to do is keep it in house in

1078
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,839
Speaker 1: the locker room, in those meeting rooms, give those guys

1079
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,479
Speaker 1: the wake up calls. Then maybe it has to happen

1080
00:56:46,520 --> 00:56:48,440
Speaker 1: in front of your peers right now, it's not just

1081
00:56:48,560 --> 00:56:52,120
Speaker 1: the meeting room. Maybe it's the whole team meeting. Maybe

1082
00:56:52,200 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 1: it's in the locker room with the whole team. They're

1083
00:56:54,239 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: like you saw after the game. And then sort of

1084
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:00,560
Speaker 1: like the final stop is like, hey, you hate airing

1085
00:57:00,600 --> 00:57:02,799
Speaker 1: dirty laundry in the media, but sometimes that's what guys

1086
00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: need to get that wake up call, because what was

1087
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:08,080
Speaker 1: good enough maybe at a different place, what was good

1088
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: enough when you were playing college football, It's not good

1089
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:13,200
Speaker 1: enough anymore. Like, this is the big leagues. This is

1090
00:57:13,320 --> 00:57:15,239
Speaker 1: not a joke. This is not what people are doing

1091
00:57:15,320 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: as a hobby. This is your livelihood. This is your lifestyle.

1092
00:57:19,640 --> 00:57:22,520
Speaker 1: You are a football player. Everything you have with your

1093
00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 1: identity is wrapped up in this. And I love my family,

1094
00:57:26,480 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: but your family is on hold when you're in the

1095
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 1: NFL during the season. Like, this is the most important lifestyle.

1096
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: It's got to be who you are, man. Yeah, And

1097
00:57:36,680 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: I think that's that's part of the problem, I think.

1098
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:41,960
Speaker 1: And we've seen the way that that's manifested itself in

1099
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:44,200
Speaker 1: all of these losses. And half of my question to

1100
00:57:44,280 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: you is this, and and you probably know this all

1101
00:57:46,760 --> 00:57:49,240
Speaker 1: too well, but like, who are the leaders on this team?

1102
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: So let's say that on the defense, you know, your

1103
00:57:51,080 --> 00:57:54,840
Speaker 1: best players are Miles and Denzel, neither of them strike

1104
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,480
Speaker 1: me as vocal leaders. On the offense, you know, Amri

1105
00:57:59,640 --> 00:58:02,040
Speaker 1: and Nick Job certainly not vocal leaders. And then Joel

1106
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:04,800
Speaker 1: is certainly the most accomplished guy you know on the team.

1107
00:58:04,840 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 1: Over the body of his career. But you told us,

1108
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,120
Speaker 1: as great as you were, it's hard to be a

1109
00:58:09,240 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 1: leader as an offensive lineman other than to lead by example, right,

1110
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: And so I just wonder who's leading this team. And

1111
00:58:16,200 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: you heard John Johnson try to do it. And yes,

1112
00:58:18,040 --> 00:58:19,840
Speaker 1: he had a lot of success with the Rams, he's

1113
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,439
Speaker 1: been good here, but it's not like he's an all

1114
00:58:22,560 --> 00:58:25,560
Speaker 1: pro with the Cleveland Browns. I just think it's hard.

1115
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 1: I I don't know who the leaders are who can

1116
00:58:27,440 --> 00:58:30,360
Speaker 1: wrangle these guys. And you know, Jacoby's got great leadership,

1117
00:58:30,360 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: but ultimately he's your backup quarterback. It's just I think

1118
00:58:33,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: it's a hard situation. And you have guys that clearly

1119
00:58:36,720 --> 00:58:38,800
Speaker 1: need that extra kick in the in the button. We

1120
00:58:38,880 --> 00:58:41,000
Speaker 1: have a head coach who is very calm and his

1121
00:58:41,160 --> 00:58:44,200
Speaker 1: demeanor from all the accounts that we know of, I

1122
00:58:44,520 --> 00:58:47,080
Speaker 1: don't know who's gonna do that. And it just feels

1123
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: like things are just slipping right through their hands. And

1124
00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:51,600
Speaker 1: and you know, yes, there are people who were fired

1125
00:58:51,680 --> 00:58:53,360
Speaker 1: up after the game, and there was talks that some

1126
00:58:53,440 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: of the words that people had heard outside of the

1127
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: locker room was no leadership, and that there was a

1128
00:58:57,200 --> 00:59:00,040
Speaker 1: lot of yelling about that. I don't know. I to

1129
00:59:00,120 --> 00:59:01,800
Speaker 1: know the answer. I know what's happened this year is

1130
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 1: not reflective of the talent on the field or the

1131
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: way that it's been coached. The team has been coached well, uh,

1132
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 1: certainly on offense, and I know the defense was top

1133
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,600
Speaker 1: five year ago special teams. I know that Mike preefers

1134
00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 1: a well regarded special teams coach. But guys keep making

1135
00:59:14,200 --> 00:59:16,640
Speaker 1: blunders on that third phase of the game. But I

1136
00:59:16,680 --> 00:59:19,080
Speaker 1: don't know who who leads? And how do you lead?

1137
00:59:19,240 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 1: How do you make it matter to somebody? How do

1138
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:22,680
Speaker 1: you let them know this has to be your life

1139
00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:25,920
Speaker 1: because if it's not, you're gonna suffer through a career

1140
00:59:26,360 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: of of not getting it done at the level that

1141
00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:31,000
Speaker 1: you want. Like you didn't play on teams at least

1142
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:33,040
Speaker 1: at the end of your career with the talent that

1143
00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:34,720
Speaker 1: this team had, You would have killed the play on

1144
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:36,920
Speaker 1: a team like this. And I know you always dedicated

1145
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,880
Speaker 1: yourself anyway, but it probably would have been something extra

1146
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:42,680
Speaker 1: special for you to play on a team that's talented. Yeah,

1147
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:46,800
Speaker 1: I think the wake up call that the guys need is, like,

1148
00:59:47,160 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: how much pain do you need to go through for

1149
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: you to take this seriously enough to make this your lifestyle,

1150
00:59:52,080 --> 00:59:55,320
Speaker 1: to make the improvements that need to be made. And

1151
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 1: I think that's probably what some of the shouting in

1152
00:59:57,200 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: the locker room was. That's what happens when you come

1153
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,160
Speaker 1: in on a Monday morning and you're reviewing film with

1154
01:00:02,240 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: your coach and the coaches calling guys out, and you

1155
01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,800
Speaker 1: have to deal with walking in the locker room and

1156
01:00:08,920 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: meeting with the media when they're asking you the hard

1157
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: questions like that's a lot of pain for a player

1158
01:00:13,160 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: to go through, and you hope that that pain translates

1159
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: into self into anger and frustration that you can focus

1160
01:00:19,400 --> 01:00:23,000
Speaker 1: that energy into your preparation. And to your point about leadership,

1161
01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:26,280
Speaker 1: the nature of the game in the NFL, your leader

1162
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 1: on offense has to be your quarterback because he's the

1163
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: one that's standing behind everybody, that knows what everybody is

1164
01:00:31,840 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: supposed to do on every play. And this isn't walk through,

1165
01:00:34,840 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: this is a practice, this is on game day. He's

1166
01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:40,720
Speaker 1: the voice in the huddle, he's the guy that sees

1167
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: everything that's going on. And as offensive lineman, it's a

1168
01:00:43,120 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: little tough because our backs are to most of the

1169
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: guys that are behind us, and so I remember we'd

1170
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:50,880
Speaker 1: be out there and going through a walkthrough or something

1171
01:00:51,200 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: and somebody would screw something up behind us. And if

1172
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: I don't see it as an offensive lineman, it's really

1173
01:00:56,920 --> 01:00:59,160
Speaker 1: hard for you to have that natural leadership where you're

1174
01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:01,560
Speaker 1: barking at players. You're telling them you gotta be over here,

1175
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 1: you gotta do this when I'm looking at the defensive

1176
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:05,640
Speaker 1: line and the linebackers, right, So that's kind of why

1177
01:01:05,640 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 1: it has to come from the quarterback. And it's the

1178
01:01:08,000 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 1: same thing on the defensive side of the ball. It's

1179
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: either got to be your one of your linebackers or

1180
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,160
Speaker 1: your safety because those are the guys that one usually

1181
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,920
Speaker 1: are your signal callers, so they're the voice because too

1182
01:01:17,960 --> 01:01:20,720
Speaker 1: many voices, everything just gets washed out. So you gotta

1183
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: have one voice, right, So on defense, it's usually your

1184
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 1: mic linebacker or it's a safety because both those guys

1185
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,480
Speaker 1: know where everybody needs to be on every play and

1186
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:29,880
Speaker 1: they can see it as it's happening. Because in order

1187
01:01:29,920 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: to be a good leader, you've gotta be able to

1188
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:34,600
Speaker 1: jump on stuff as it's happening, right. And so I

1189
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,640
Speaker 1: appreciate John Johnson for trying to take over some of

1190
01:01:38,720 --> 01:01:42,080
Speaker 1: that role on defense. I can tell Miles is trying

1191
01:01:42,120 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: to be a little bit more vocal. You see that

1192
01:01:43,680 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 1: he's asserting himself a little bit, But it is hard

1193
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: for a defensive lineman. They have the same issues that

1194
01:01:49,600 --> 01:01:51,840
Speaker 1: offensive linemen have. Right their hands in the dirt. They're

1195
01:01:51,960 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 1: staring at me, breathing snot bubbles in my stance, and

1196
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:57,880
Speaker 1: he's not seeing what's going on behind him. He's not

1197
01:01:57,920 --> 01:02:01,440
Speaker 1: communicating with all those guys. And so I think potentially

1198
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: Dion Jones, I don't really know him, but possibly having

1199
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:09,160
Speaker 1: somebody in that linebacker room stepping up and becoming that

1200
01:02:09,320 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: leader that Kirko was, you know when when she was

1201
01:02:12,240 --> 01:02:14,840
Speaker 1: there with me, that did Quell Jackson was, Like, I

1202
01:02:14,960 --> 01:02:19,720
Speaker 1: think having that linebacker leadership, that veteran leadership, as as

1203
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:22,600
Speaker 1: much as the performance of the linebacker is important. I

1204
01:02:22,680 --> 01:02:25,720
Speaker 1: think having that position with a big voice and a

1205
01:02:25,760 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 1: lot of leadership that is holding everybody accountable during the play,

1206
01:02:29,920 --> 01:02:32,040
Speaker 1: like because coaches can't do that when you're out there playing,

1207
01:02:32,160 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: but right before the snap, during the snap Like, that's

1208
01:02:35,800 --> 01:02:38,920
Speaker 1: to me what type of leadership we need on the

1209
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 1: defensive side especially, and I think coming from the linebacker

1210
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 1: position would be huge. It would be and I thought

1211
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 1: you were going to drop a I met Dion Jones

1212
01:02:47,640 --> 01:02:50,280
Speaker 1: at the Pro Bowl in two thousand and seventeen. That's

1213
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:52,400
Speaker 1: the only time I ever hung out with him. So

1214
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 1: going back to what you're saying the life stand and

1215
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:56,960
Speaker 1: you're saying, yeah, people have to tell them, but at

1216
01:02:57,080 --> 01:03:01,560
Speaker 1: what point, you know, do if from an accountability standpoint

1217
01:03:01,640 --> 01:03:03,480
Speaker 1: is do your reps have to go down if you're

1218
01:03:03,520 --> 01:03:05,480
Speaker 1: not the one putting in the work that you should be,

1219
01:03:05,480 --> 01:03:08,000
Speaker 1: if you're the one who's constantly, you know, blowing the assignments,

1220
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:10,680
Speaker 1: how how does that get handled, especially under the mantra

1221
01:03:10,720 --> 01:03:13,360
Speaker 1: of smart, tough and accountable. Yeah, I mean I think

1222
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: that's a good strategy and it works especially well, let's

1223
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:20,240
Speaker 1: say the college level, where you have a hundred guys

1224
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:24,320
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe your difference between your starting cornerback

1225
01:03:24,520 --> 01:03:28,040
Speaker 1: or your second string cornerback is probably not as much.

1226
01:03:28,160 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: So it's easier to say, all right, you know, we're

1227
01:03:30,720 --> 01:03:32,920
Speaker 1: gonna sit you down to start this game, or we're

1228
01:03:32,960 --> 01:03:36,080
Speaker 1: gonna give somebody else some reps. In practice, give them

1229
01:03:36,160 --> 01:03:38,080
Speaker 1: a look, you know, as sort of like a little

1230
01:03:38,080 --> 01:03:39,880
Speaker 1: wake up call, but also like, hey, maybe the guy

1231
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 1: behind just needs an opportunity. It is a little bit

1232
01:03:42,880 --> 01:03:45,040
Speaker 1: more challenging because of the nature of the NFL, where

1233
01:03:45,080 --> 01:03:47,160
Speaker 1: you have a smaller roster. You really don't have as

1234
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:51,680
Speaker 1: many guys that you can throw in there and exchange

1235
01:03:51,880 --> 01:03:54,560
Speaker 1: in the season, and it's really hard to find guys

1236
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:58,800
Speaker 1: other than like unusual trades like the Christian McCaffrey trade,

1237
01:03:58,840 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 1: where you can find somebody who's good enough to be

1238
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:03,440
Speaker 1: a starter that's on the street or that you can

1239
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:06,320
Speaker 1: pick up from another team. So you do get a

1240
01:04:06,480 --> 01:04:09,000
Speaker 1: little bit stuck during the NFL season because you just

1241
01:04:09,040 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: don't have a chance to make a lot of changes

1242
01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,480
Speaker 1: on your roster, and so, for better or worse, it

1243
01:04:14,960 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 1: was a little bit challenging to try to play that

1244
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,560
Speaker 1: rough game because a lot of times, even though maybe

1245
01:04:20,600 --> 01:04:22,640
Speaker 1: it's good to give somebody a wake up call, like

1246
01:04:22,960 --> 01:04:25,280
Speaker 1: the drop off between your starter and your backup is

1247
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:29,000
Speaker 1: usually pretty significant. Yeah, we're talking about this earlier. You know,

1248
01:04:29,080 --> 01:04:31,919
Speaker 1: the four straight losses now open up a different line

1249
01:04:31,960 --> 01:04:35,080
Speaker 1: of thinking for the organization, right because, yeah, you want

1250
01:04:35,080 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 1: to go beat the Bengals, absolutely, You want to you know,

1251
01:04:37,760 --> 01:04:40,600
Speaker 1: try to save this season, be relevant when Watson comes back.

1252
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:43,720
Speaker 1: All of those things remain true and a committed to that,

1253
01:04:44,080 --> 01:04:46,880
Speaker 1: But there's also this other parallel line that's out there of, hey,

1254
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:50,440
Speaker 1: we could probably maybe we ought to recruit some draft assets.

1255
01:04:50,520 --> 01:04:53,840
Speaker 1: We we talked about Kareem Hunt. Reportedly the Browns are

1256
01:04:53,880 --> 01:04:56,200
Speaker 1: receiving offers for Kareem Hunt or listening to offers for

1257
01:04:56,280 --> 01:04:59,600
Speaker 1: Kareem Hunt. The same apparently reportedly true with Greedy Williams

1258
01:04:59,640 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 1: as well. So now that enters into it. And as

1259
01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,640
Speaker 1: I heard you say, yep, I think you probably know

1260
01:05:04,760 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 1: what this type of season is. Trade deadline is next Tuesday.

1261
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,280
Speaker 1: How do you manage all of this in the locker room?

1262
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,920
Speaker 1: That's tough, right, because now that becomes a distraction, and

1263
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: that's one of the things that is on people's mind.

1264
01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: When you want them to be thinking about situational football.

1265
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:24,280
Speaker 1: You want them to be focusing in on their playbook

1266
01:05:24,320 --> 01:05:27,920
Speaker 1: and putting all of their mental energy and their emotions

1267
01:05:28,640 --> 01:05:31,360
Speaker 1: into preparing themselves to go out and win like it's

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Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. But then the noise that's swirling outside

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01:05:35,200 --> 01:05:37,160
Speaker 1: the locker room and in the media and the fan

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Speaker 1: base is, hey, maybe the season's almost a lost season,

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Speaker 1: so we should try to start playing for the future.

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Speaker 1: And as a player, you can never let your mind

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Speaker 1: wander because then you're gonna give less than everything you

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Speaker 1: have to the preparation, which is already the problem that

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Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier in the show. Right, It's

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Speaker 1: like this has to be everything and all encompassing of

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Speaker 1: who you are and what you're thinking about. Right. I

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01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:02,959
Speaker 1: think a good parallel is maybe to look at what's

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Speaker 1: happened with Tom Brady, right as we kind of shift

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Speaker 1: the focus away from the Browns for a second. Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady made football who he is percent of the time

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Speaker 1: for two decades, and that's what made him the best

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Speaker 1: football player of all time. Now things have happened in

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Speaker 1: his personal life and in off the field stuff where

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Speaker 1: it seems he hasn't given that same level of commitment

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01:06:26,680 --> 01:06:29,080
Speaker 1: this year as he has in the past, and just

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01:06:29,320 --> 01:06:32,120
Speaker 1: that little bit less commitment, that little bit of distraction

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01:06:32,160 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 1: in your brain where instead of being a percent focused

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Speaker 1: on being a football player and getting yourself ready for Sundays,

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Speaker 1: now it's that two percent is you're winning and losing. Difference, right,

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Speaker 1: Like we've seen that in every Browns game this year.

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Speaker 1: Just about that's the difference in the NFL this isn't

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Speaker 1: college where you're winning by three or four touchdowns? Like

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Speaker 1: two percent is what makes the difference. And if you're

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Speaker 1: giving that two percent in your brain to thinking about,

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Speaker 1: you know, the off season, or who they're to bring

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Speaker 1: in here at the trade deadline, or other things besides

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Speaker 1: my job, all of a sudden, you've allowed the other

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Speaker 1: team to beat you going into that game because that

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Speaker 1: was the winning margin and they were willing to give

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Speaker 1: a percent where you were only given. Crazy to think

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Speaker 1: Joe Thomas how will go around the league? A pretty

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Speaker 1: notable benching in the NFL at the quarterback position. We'll

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Speaker 1: get to that coming up next. You listen to Cleveland

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Speaker 1: in Indianapolis. As we continue with the Joe Thomas Hour

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Speaker 1: Cleveland Browns Daily off, they've benched Matt Ryan. Um. He's

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01:08:53,960 --> 01:08:55,880
Speaker 1: got a Grade two shoulder thing. But it's not just

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Speaker 1: that he's gonna be done for the year. As long

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Speaker 1: as Sam Ellinger is healthy and available. Ellinger is the

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Speaker 1: starting quarterback for Indie. Frank Reich saying in a press

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Speaker 1: conference within the last hour that it's Ellinger's job the

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Speaker 1: rest of the year. And guys, not only is it

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01:09:12,360 --> 01:09:16,960
Speaker 1: Ellinger's job, but the backup is Nick Foles. So he

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Speaker 1: goes to me, I wonder if do they try and

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01:09:20,280 --> 01:09:23,840
Speaker 1: trade Matt Ryan between now and Tuesday. Have you paid

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Speaker 1: attention to this story at all, Joe? Are you surprised

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01:09:26,200 --> 01:09:27,760
Speaker 1: by this? It seems like it comes out of the

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01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,160
Speaker 1: blue from my vantage point, you know, I haven't really

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01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: paid too close to attention because the Colts really haven't

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01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:38,280
Speaker 1: been all that relative in my mind up until this point.

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01:09:38,439 --> 01:09:40,760
Speaker 1: They are three three and one right now, so it's

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01:09:40,760 --> 01:09:42,840
Speaker 1: not like they're out of it. But I think Matt

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01:09:42,920 --> 01:09:46,599
Speaker 1: Ryan has just played so bad when I've watched him

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Speaker 1: that I just kind of wrote them off. And the

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01:09:49,400 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 1: fact that you just lost nineteen to ten to the Titans,

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01:09:53,439 --> 01:09:56,599
Speaker 1: to me, it's not completely shocking because Matt Ryan really

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01:09:56,720 --> 01:09:58,640
Speaker 1: was not their long term answer, right. He was just

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01:09:58,720 --> 01:09:59,960
Speaker 1: kind of a bridge. They thought they may have a

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01:10:00,040 --> 01:10:03,120
Speaker 1: pretty good team. He could bring in a veteran maybe compete,

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01:10:03,200 --> 01:10:06,000
Speaker 1: kind of like the Philip Rivers uh thing that they

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01:10:06,080 --> 01:10:09,840
Speaker 1: had a couple of years ago. But when you're guy

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01:10:10,040 --> 01:10:13,599
Speaker 1: that's the journeyman veteran that's coming in is not playing

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01:10:13,640 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 1: well enough, it makes sense to say, what are we

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01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:18,920
Speaker 1: doing here? What's the long term plan? He's not going

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01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:21,400
Speaker 1: to be our guy into the future, So you might

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01:10:21,439 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 1: as well play somebody else who maybe gives us at

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Speaker 1: least as good of a chance to win as Matt did,

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Speaker 1: and potentially we could be finding something for the future.

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Speaker 1: So you're getting performance now that's almost comparable, and then

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Speaker 1: you're also potentially building and finding out about your future.

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Speaker 1: So um, it didn't completely shock me that he got

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Speaker 1: benched because of the performance. However, the thing that surprised

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Speaker 1: me was how bad that he's really played this season

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Speaker 1: when I think a lot of people's expectation was he

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Speaker 1: was he was going to be at least as good

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Speaker 1: as anybody else that they have on that roster. Yeah,

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01:10:57,640 --> 01:10:59,920
Speaker 1: it's a it's a surprising when they're with Matt Ryan

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Speaker 1: and getting benched. I was definitely surprised by It's like,

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Speaker 1: he's been great, but he hasn't been horrible completion or there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: but nine picks, nine touchdowns, nine picks, so and I'm

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Speaker 1: like half I'm not watching him every week so I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I may nature half. Are they happening at

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Speaker 1: the worst possible uh times in terms of around the league.

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Speaker 1: Let's start around the north off UM, the Bengals, well,

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01:11:23,640 --> 01:11:25,760
Speaker 1: they've got it rolland Burrow had three hundred yards in

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Speaker 1: the first half. They had all almost I mean there

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01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,720
Speaker 1: were seven yards from Um from Higgins from having all

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Speaker 1: three receivers over a hundred yards. Burrow at four eighty

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01:11:34,800 --> 01:11:38,200
Speaker 1: passing in the game against UH against the Falcons, UH,

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01:11:38,280 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 1: they are now at four and three, tied at the

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Speaker 1: Ravens atop the division. UM. One thing of note, when

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Speaker 1: you get your first look at Jamaar Chase, historically it

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Speaker 1: goes very bad. So this happened with the Saints and

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Speaker 1: it happens with the Falcons. So I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's a matter of if the tape doesn't make him

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Speaker 1: as explosive as he is in real life or not off,

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Speaker 1: but it's something that's happened that when you get your

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Speaker 1: first look at him, you're not ready for it in

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Speaker 1: any way however you spent it. The Bengals are absolutely

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Speaker 1: rolling coming in here Monday. Yeah, bad timing to be

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Speaker 1: catching the Bengals on him Monday night. But you know, uh,

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase reminds me of Josh Gordon a little bit,

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Speaker 1: playing with him in two thousand twelve and watching him

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Speaker 1: against the Patriots when he caught a little slant in

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01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,360
Speaker 1: the key to Leave, who was an all Pro cornerback,

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01:12:24,960 --> 01:12:26,920
Speaker 1: he had an angle on him, and Josh just ran

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Speaker 1: past him. Because Josh was such a big, fast guy

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Speaker 1: with long strides, so when he would run, you wouldn't

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Speaker 1: realize how fast he was going. And I think it's

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Speaker 1: very similar because you'd see him on film and you

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01:12:37,960 --> 01:12:40,559
Speaker 1: knew he was moving quickly, but he didn't have those

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01:12:40,680 --> 01:12:43,160
Speaker 1: legs that were moving quick like playing with Andrew Hawkins.

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01:12:43,280 --> 01:12:46,000
Speaker 1: My guy, he was running you know, a four seven forty,

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01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:47,719
Speaker 1: but it looked like it was a three seven because

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Speaker 1: he's got these short little legs and he's just moving

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Speaker 1: so fast. But Gordon is the opposite, and I think

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Speaker 1: Jamar Chase is a little bit of the same thing.

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Speaker 1: Until you get him in person, you see how fast

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Speaker 1: he's actually moving compared to you. When you're running full speed,

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Speaker 1: you don't have the comparison, so he catches up to you,

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Speaker 1: especially in the first half, like that first half they

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Speaker 1: had where he's just catching the football and he's just

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Speaker 1: running past people. He is good. Te Higgins is good,

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Speaker 1: and they're finally throwing the ball to Tyler Boyd again.

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Speaker 1: Tyler Boyd is an excellent third receiver the Bengals. You

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Speaker 1: know we've had their number. Can we keep that going?

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Speaker 1: That will be the question. I did get to watch

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Speaker 1: a little bit of the Dolphins Steelers last night, not

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Speaker 1: a ton. The Dolphins have so much talent, and I

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Speaker 1: know to us there they haven't lost with two us starting,

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Speaker 1: But it feels like if they had a quarterback quarterback

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Speaker 1: that they would be. Why do you think Brady is

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01:13:35,200 --> 01:13:38,000
Speaker 1: so piste off? That could be him unstoppable? I mean,

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01:13:38,080 --> 01:13:41,760
Speaker 1: guys are opened by five yards. Wattle and Hill are

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Speaker 1: open all the time. And then I thought Kenny Pickett

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Speaker 1: was actually more impressive than I thought he would be.

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01:13:49,320 --> 01:13:55,599
Speaker 1: But the interceptions were brutal, but he made some nice throws. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think you can if you look at I mean

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01:13:57,560 --> 01:13:59,840
Speaker 1: I say that in jest, but like Brady did everything

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Speaker 1: in his power to go to Miami and they had

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01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:05,320
Speaker 1: one of the most stupefying losses the NFL season yesterdaysing

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01:14:05,400 --> 01:14:09,280
Speaker 1: to Carolina three Carolina is actively trying to lose, and

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01:14:09,320 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 1: they whipped the Bucks in Carolina. I mean, you see

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01:14:12,840 --> 01:14:15,479
Speaker 1: why that whole thing is off the rails in Tampa.

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01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 1: But you also see why Brady's tried so hard to

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Speaker 1: get to Miami exactly. I mean, you see the talent

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01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,160
Speaker 1: that Miami has. And I don't remember what the timeline

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01:14:24,200 --> 01:14:27,560
Speaker 1: looked like with Brady and McDaniels, and if McDaniels was

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01:14:28,120 --> 01:14:30,599
Speaker 1: already there or if he had not yet been hired.

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Speaker 1: Um However, I got a lot of respect for McDaniels.

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01:14:33,640 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: He was in Cleveland with us, he was the receiver's

1444
01:14:35,439 --> 01:14:38,679
Speaker 1: coach with Kyle Shanahan, and you can see how smart

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01:14:38,760 --> 01:14:41,640
Speaker 1: he was at that time. And I mean, you never

1446
01:14:41,760 --> 01:14:44,560
Speaker 1: know what people's career path is gonna look like and

1447
01:14:44,760 --> 01:14:46,960
Speaker 1: if they're going to continue to ascend at the same level.

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01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,080
Speaker 1: But watching their offense and the creative ways that McDaniels

1449
01:14:51,160 --> 01:14:53,880
Speaker 1: gets people open, and then of course having the talent

1450
01:14:53,960 --> 01:14:56,120
Speaker 1: to be able to execute, it's fun. I mean, that's

1451
01:14:56,120 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: a fun team to watch. I know, uh two, it

1452
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:00,639
Speaker 1: doesn't have the big arm, so he I think he's

1453
01:15:00,680 --> 01:15:02,759
Speaker 1: a little bit limited with what they can do, especially

1454
01:15:02,840 --> 01:15:05,160
Speaker 1: with their speedsters, but he's got enough of an arm

1455
01:15:05,240 --> 01:15:07,320
Speaker 1: to back. The safety is up and there's a lot

1456
01:15:07,360 --> 01:15:09,720
Speaker 1: of green grass on that field for two to throw

1457
01:15:09,800 --> 01:15:13,400
Speaker 1: two because of those receivers, just so much speed, so

1458
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:17,120
Speaker 1: much ability to separate and give their quarterback big windows

1459
01:15:17,160 --> 01:15:19,639
Speaker 1: and big targets to throw the football too. I would

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01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,240
Speaker 1: also say that if you have the ability to wear

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Speaker 1: a uniform that includes a dolphin with a helmet on

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01:15:25,280 --> 01:15:28,480
Speaker 1: it jumping through a ring, and then where the damn uniforms,

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01:15:30,880 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: they're perfect. We've seen a lot of teams where they're

1464
01:15:33,400 --> 01:15:36,479
Speaker 1: throwing out the falcons. Gorgeous, gorgeous with the black or

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01:15:36,600 --> 01:15:40,000
Speaker 1: red helmet, doesn't matter. Those are great. Just sometimes you

1466
01:15:40,040 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: don't have to reinvent the wheel, like now, it's perfect.

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01:15:42,240 --> 01:15:45,000
Speaker 1: Those dolphins are perfect. The old Broncos uniforms are perfect.

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01:15:45,040 --> 01:15:47,639
Speaker 1: The new ones are terrible. They're wearing the same things

1469
01:15:47,680 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 1: they were wearing with John Elway. They're twenty five years old.

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01:15:51,080 --> 01:15:53,320
Speaker 1: They're awful. Go back to the originals. I was watching

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01:15:53,360 --> 01:15:56,320
Speaker 1: some clip of Shannon Sharp when the Broncos were whooping

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01:15:56,360 --> 01:15:58,840
Speaker 1: the Patriots, and he's on the sideline and he got

1473
01:15:58,880 --> 01:16:01,639
Speaker 1: on the phone and they're in Foxborough and he's talking

1474
01:16:01,680 --> 01:16:03,320
Speaker 1: to the fans. He goes, I'm calling in the National

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01:16:03,360 --> 01:16:05,839
Speaker 1: Guard for you guys, because they're helpless, they have no defense.

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Speaker 1: We're calling in and he's like trolling the fans. But

1477
01:16:08,360 --> 01:16:11,240
Speaker 1: he's wearing the Whites with the beautiful blue, the blue

1478
01:16:11,320 --> 01:16:13,559
Speaker 1: helmet with the D and the Bronx, Like, what are

1479
01:16:13,600 --> 01:16:16,640
Speaker 1: we doing? What are we doing? Man? I don't know.

1480
01:16:16,840 --> 01:16:21,000
Speaker 1: They look great? Uh in that game. Um. The other thing,

1481
01:16:21,280 --> 01:16:23,960
Speaker 1: scoring is down. The Unders are hitting it like a

1482
01:16:24,040 --> 01:16:28,320
Speaker 1: sixty clip so far this season. Half how much of

1483
01:16:28,400 --> 01:16:31,040
Speaker 1: that is? You know? I just think of the NFC,

1484
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:34,719
Speaker 1: especially there are three teams that scored a lot last

1485
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:37,000
Speaker 1: year in Tampa Bay, Green Bay and the Rams that

1486
01:16:37,120 --> 01:16:40,400
Speaker 1: all suck. And outside of like the Bills and the Chiefs,

1487
01:16:40,520 --> 01:16:42,680
Speaker 1: I don't know that anybody can throw it. I mean,

1488
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:45,360
Speaker 1: this loss yesterday for Green Bay up where you are,

1489
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:48,840
Speaker 1: it's got to be stupefying for people up there. To

1490
01:16:49,000 --> 01:16:54,320
Speaker 1: lose to the Commies for the Packers is beyond stupefying.

1491
01:16:54,600 --> 01:16:58,120
Speaker 1: And I know that the conversation is Aaron Rodgers doesn't

1492
01:16:58,120 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 1: have any quarterbacks to throw too, but or any receivers

1493
01:17:02,040 --> 01:17:04,960
Speaker 1: to throw to. He's the quarterback, of course, which is

1494
01:17:05,240 --> 01:17:07,920
Speaker 1: some of the issue. However, like Aaron Rodgers looks like

1495
01:17:08,439 --> 01:17:11,760
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he's aged a little bit, just

1496
01:17:11,880 --> 01:17:16,640
Speaker 1: like Tom Brady. Now they're not the same quarter they

1497
01:17:16,640 --> 01:17:19,760
Speaker 1: were like two months ago. It's just it's stupefying and

1498
01:17:20,040 --> 01:17:23,559
Speaker 1: as frustrated as we are as Browns fans living in Wisconsin,

1499
01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:26,560
Speaker 1: I see the Packer fans are feeling just as frustrated

1500
01:17:26,640 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 1: because they thought that this was a year potentially if

1501
01:17:29,800 --> 01:17:31,920
Speaker 1: they could reload at the receiver position, that they can

1502
01:17:31,960 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: compete for a Super Bowl. Because you still have Aaron

1503
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 1: Rodgers at quarterback. But Aaron Rodgers is it seems like

1504
01:17:36,720 --> 01:17:41,560
Speaker 1: he's protecting his career completion percentage at all costs, Like

1505
01:17:42,200 --> 01:17:44,479
Speaker 1: he just does not want to throw an interception. He's

1506
01:17:44,520 --> 01:17:47,800
Speaker 1: not taking the chances anymore, he doesn't trust his receivers

1507
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:51,599
Speaker 1: and he's just taking safe throws that lose games. It's

1508
01:17:52,080 --> 01:17:54,559
Speaker 1: it's really head scratching. And then after the game, Aaron Rodgers,

1509
01:17:54,600 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if you guys heard his comments, he

1510
01:17:56,520 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 1: said something like, hey, maybe this loss is good for us,

1511
01:17:59,640 --> 01:18:02,680
Speaker 1: and I'm dude, maybe if it was week one, this

1512
01:18:02,920 --> 01:18:05,320
Speaker 1: is this is week seven right now, you guys are

1513
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:09,960
Speaker 1: three and four in a crappy division, and you're probably

1514
01:18:10,000 --> 01:18:12,320
Speaker 1: gonna be on the outside looking in when it's time

1515
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:14,960
Speaker 1: to be in the playoffs because we're almost halfway through

1516
01:18:14,960 --> 01:18:18,760
Speaker 1: the season alright. Two things. Number one, I know personally

1517
01:18:19,479 --> 01:18:23,759
Speaker 1: two people who have gone down to like Latin America

1518
01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:27,080
Speaker 1: wherever you go, and who have gone on like ayahuasca,

1519
01:18:27,400 --> 01:18:33,240
Speaker 1: like pilgrimages or whatever. They are whackadoodles, and they are

1520
01:18:33,400 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 1: not the same as they were before they went down there.

1521
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 1: Dead serious. So like I don't think Aaron Riders is

1522
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:41,760
Speaker 1: possibly the same person he was before he did this.

1523
01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:44,479
Speaker 1: Like you go in there and you're like basically are

1524
01:18:44,560 --> 01:18:48,559
Speaker 1: like on another planet, vomiting for like days, like it's

1525
01:18:48,640 --> 01:18:51,800
Speaker 1: all nuts and you have these you get in your

1526
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,120
Speaker 1: inner consciousness or whatever. But like none of those people

1527
01:18:54,160 --> 01:18:57,520
Speaker 1: are what I described as normal, and they are significantly

1528
01:18:57,640 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: less normal than they were before they went down there,

1529
01:18:59,680 --> 01:19:01,800
Speaker 1: like mess up. Their motor skills are messed, Like they're

1530
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:04,920
Speaker 1: just whacked. You've been saying it for a month. Well

1531
01:19:05,000 --> 01:19:07,880
Speaker 1: that's why you have the you have the first well

1532
01:19:07,960 --> 01:19:10,720
Speaker 1: not first hand, second hands, Yeah, I've just observed. And

1533
01:19:10,800 --> 01:19:14,559
Speaker 1: the second thing is like if Chase Claypool is truly

1534
01:19:14,600 --> 01:19:17,080
Speaker 1: on the block, which everybody there has been a lot

1535
01:19:17,120 --> 01:19:20,800
Speaker 1: of talk about, like the Packers should go get him immediately. Yes,

1536
01:19:21,160 --> 01:19:22,760
Speaker 1: they need a receiver. Like I think if they had

1537
01:19:22,760 --> 01:19:24,920
Speaker 1: a receiver, they'd be just fine. They'd be fine. The

1538
01:19:25,040 --> 01:19:27,800
Speaker 1: same is not true in Tampa Bay. No, they have talent,

1539
01:19:28,000 --> 01:19:31,719
Speaker 1: they have talents. Like we're in a dark place. And yeah,

1540
01:19:32,479 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: I think it's because Brady's not all in. No, he's not.

1541
01:19:35,400 --> 01:19:37,679
Speaker 1: He left for two weeks in camp. He doesn't practice

1542
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,200
Speaker 1: on Wednesdays. Like for a guy whose entire career HAF

1543
01:19:41,360 --> 01:19:46,320
Speaker 1: was designed around being all in, how can he try without?

1544
01:19:46,920 --> 01:19:51,839
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? It doesn't work. Yeah, Brittie's

1545
01:19:51,880 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: cheek code his whole career was I care more and

1546
01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put in more time than anybody else. Like

1547
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:59,160
Speaker 1: when you guys are off having a nice steak dinner

1548
01:19:59,200 --> 01:20:02,360
Speaker 1: in the off season, pounding beers and having some good veno,

1549
01:20:02,600 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: He's like, not me, I'm gonna be with my massage therapist,

1550
01:20:05,600 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: watching film, taking care of my body, thinking about doing

1551
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,759
Speaker 1: quarterback things. When you guys are going on family vacations

1552
01:20:11,840 --> 01:20:15,120
Speaker 1: before training camp, not me, I'm training Like that was

1553
01:20:15,520 --> 01:20:18,479
Speaker 1: his two percent difference that made him better than everybody, right,

1554
01:20:18,760 --> 01:20:22,120
Speaker 1: And that's why in critical moments, two minute drives, if

1555
01:20:22,160 --> 01:20:24,519
Speaker 1: Brady had the ball, he knew exactly where the ball

1556
01:20:24,600 --> 01:20:26,560
Speaker 1: was gonna go, and it went down the field and

1557
01:20:26,600 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: it was just a matter of time, do I have

1558
01:20:28,280 --> 01:20:30,600
Speaker 1: enough time? Because if you leave Brady time, he's going

1559
01:20:30,680 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 1: to score. But without that level of commitment, he's just

1560
01:20:34,280 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 1: a guy. And it's just so weird to say, like,

1561
01:20:37,560 --> 01:20:39,720
Speaker 1: how many years were we saying, oh, this is the

1562
01:20:39,800 --> 01:20:41,840
Speaker 1: year Brady falls off the cliff. He's gonna head forty

1563
01:20:42,040 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 1: He's gonna head forty one. Nobody can do it at

1564
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:47,200
Speaker 1: that level. And then all of a sudden, at forty four,

1565
01:20:47,280 --> 01:20:49,599
Speaker 1: he's still in the m v P conversation, he's winning

1566
01:20:49,600 --> 01:20:51,600
Speaker 1: Super Bowl, is going down to Tampa. And this was

1567
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 1: the year it seemed like right where everyone said, well,

1568
01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:55,960
Speaker 1: Brady's never gonna get old, He'll just play forever, and

1569
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,960
Speaker 1: now he's all of a sudden getting old and vanishing

1570
01:20:59,600 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 1: crub in front of our eyes. But it just shows

1571
01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: how much importance commitment is and just making yourself obsessed

1572
01:21:07,200 --> 01:21:10,280
Speaker 1: with being an NFL football player and everything that goes

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Speaker 1: We've got some of the things to get to, including

1579
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Speaker 1: a little fun with Halloween. Joe Hayden returning. That will

1580
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:32,559
Speaker 1: be fun. We'll get hops views of that. Coming up

1581
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Speaker 1: your spot today. Joe on Monday Night, Joe Hayden will

1590
01:22:15,920 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 1: be honored during the game. When you think of your

1591
01:22:18,760 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 1: time with Joe and there's obviously I'm sure a ton

1592
01:22:21,000 --> 01:22:23,639
Speaker 1: of it, but uh what is it. Were you surprised

1593
01:22:23,680 --> 01:22:26,439
Speaker 1: that he's coming back and getting this here in Cleveland

1594
01:22:26,479 --> 01:22:28,200
Speaker 1: with the fact that he played in both feels like

1595
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:32,040
Speaker 1: his heart was always here. It's pretty cool. Uh. It

1596
01:22:32,160 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: was a little bit of a surprise to me because

1597
01:22:34,040 --> 01:22:37,519
Speaker 1: he did have a great career in Pittsburgh, and he

1598
01:22:37,600 --> 01:22:40,760
Speaker 1: obviously had more team success in Pittsburgh. But I think

1599
01:22:40,800 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: it was really cool just to see how much the

1600
01:22:43,160 --> 01:22:45,360
Speaker 1: city of Cleveland means to so many guys that have

1601
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 1: played here, even though we haven't had the team success,

1602
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:50,360
Speaker 1: the playoffs, the Super Bowls that a lot of other

1603
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:53,519
Speaker 1: teams have had, which brings them close with the city

1604
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,760
Speaker 1: and gives them a lot of great memories. Um, for

1605
01:22:56,920 --> 01:22:59,200
Speaker 1: guys that have played here, I think they understand how

1606
01:22:59,280 --> 01:23:01,280
Speaker 1: special this city he is because of the way that

1607
01:23:01,800 --> 01:23:04,519
Speaker 1: the city embraces the team and how important it is.

1608
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,200
Speaker 1: And if you're a player like Joe, who was one

1609
01:23:07,240 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: of my favorite teammates of all time, because he just

1610
01:23:10,000 --> 01:23:12,840
Speaker 1: always walked around with a smile, he had a positive attitude,

1611
01:23:13,200 --> 01:23:15,840
Speaker 1: he was a hard worker, and I think he really

1612
01:23:15,920 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 1: embraced the fans in Cleveland and felt a deep connection

1613
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:22,040
Speaker 1: and even when he was in Pittsburgh, he would get

1614
01:23:22,400 --> 01:23:26,200
Speaker 1: coach busses together or like vans or whatever, and the

1615
01:23:26,280 --> 01:23:28,240
Speaker 1: guys in the Steelers they would come up to Cleveland

1616
01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:31,360
Speaker 1: and hang out and party in Cleveland. And I think

1617
01:23:31,640 --> 01:23:33,400
Speaker 1: in the city of Cleveland just has a really special

1618
01:23:33,439 --> 01:23:36,000
Speaker 1: place for Joe for and for him to want to

1619
01:23:36,040 --> 01:23:39,120
Speaker 1: retire as a Cleveland Brown, it means a lot, because

1620
01:23:39,200 --> 01:23:41,320
Speaker 1: that's pretty tough to say. Hey, I know, I just

1621
01:23:41,520 --> 01:23:44,040
Speaker 1: retired as a Steeler and I had what is it

1622
01:23:44,160 --> 01:23:47,400
Speaker 1: five six good seasons there, but immediately I want to

1623
01:23:47,479 --> 01:23:51,360
Speaker 1: sign with the Browns, the biggest rival where I started

1624
01:23:51,439 --> 01:23:53,479
Speaker 1: my career, and it's more important to me to be

1625
01:23:54,000 --> 01:23:56,920
Speaker 1: a Cleveland Brown. I mean, I wonder how the fans

1626
01:23:57,120 --> 01:23:59,000
Speaker 1: in Pittsburgh and and I haven't looked into this, but

1627
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,960
Speaker 1: I wonder how the fans Pittsburgh are receiving the news

1628
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:05,760
Speaker 1: that Joe Hayden wants to retire as a Brown. He

1629
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:07,920
Speaker 1: is Cleveland and I liked it. I'm glad that you

1630
01:24:07,960 --> 01:24:09,360
Speaker 1: said that he was one of my favorite guys to

1631
01:24:09,439 --> 01:24:11,840
Speaker 1: cover in his time here with the team, and was

1632
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:13,360
Speaker 1: he would he be like up there if there was

1633
01:24:13,360 --> 01:24:15,720
Speaker 1: a mount rushmore of defensive players that you played with,

1634
01:24:15,920 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 1: So imagine offensively, you're so close with a lot of

1635
01:24:17,680 --> 01:24:19,640
Speaker 1: the linemen and things like that. But would he be

1636
01:24:19,720 --> 01:24:22,400
Speaker 1: one of the your mount Rushmore defensive players not just

1637
01:24:22,520 --> 01:24:25,880
Speaker 1: from on the field, but also just like as a guy. Yeah, absolutely.

1638
01:24:26,000 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: When I think about defensive players that I played with, it,

1639
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:30,879
Speaker 1: I just loved that. I thought were just awesome teammates.

1640
01:24:31,000 --> 01:24:34,479
Speaker 1: Joe Hayden's up there to qual Jackson, h Christian Kirksey,

1641
01:24:34,960 --> 01:24:38,200
Speaker 1: Scott Fujita. You know, like those are guys the first

1642
01:24:38,360 --> 01:24:40,360
Speaker 1: names that a lot of times they pop into my

1643
01:24:40,400 --> 01:24:41,720
Speaker 1: head when I think about, you know, who are my

1644
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: favorite teammates over there on the defensive side of the ball.

1645
01:24:45,280 --> 01:24:47,559
Speaker 1: And it's just so cool to have him come back

1646
01:24:47,640 --> 01:24:50,799
Speaker 1: and be honored, and hopefully the Browns have the Bengals

1647
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:52,519
Speaker 1: number like they have in the past, so we can

1648
01:24:52,720 --> 01:24:56,600
Speaker 1: give Joe the the big day that he so desperately

1649
01:24:56,720 --> 01:24:59,439
Speaker 1: deserves for putting his neck out on the line and

1650
01:25:00,040 --> 01:25:04,000
Speaker 1: running the Pittsburgh Steelers to retire as a Cleveland Brown. Huh,

1651
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:07,080
Speaker 1: what's your what's your go to Halloween costume as a kid?

1652
01:25:07,240 --> 01:25:10,880
Speaker 1: As an adult? What's what's one that's yours? The chuckle?

1653
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 1: Is there a favorite? I think I was a Green

1654
01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:16,920
Speaker 1: Bay packer player with the cheesehead like five years in

1655
01:25:17,000 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 1: a row. But now I'm much more professional with my

1656
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,559
Speaker 1: Halloween costumes. The wife and I she loves Halloween as

1657
01:25:25,600 --> 01:25:28,320
Speaker 1: do I, and we love dressing up. So actually we

1658
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:32,479
Speaker 1: had an adult Halloween party this weekend and I dressed

1659
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:36,519
Speaker 1: up as ted Lasso, and she dressed up as Rebecca,

1660
01:25:36,640 --> 01:25:40,439
Speaker 1: the owner from from ted Lasso with a love exty

1661
01:25:40,520 --> 01:25:42,720
Speaker 1: little business suit and she had her little purse with

1662
01:25:43,040 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 1: the biscuits in there. So it was it was. It

1663
01:25:45,560 --> 01:25:46,840
Speaker 1: was a lot of fun. And then with the with

1664
01:25:46,960 --> 01:25:49,400
Speaker 1: the kids, we're gonna dress up as What About Bob?

1665
01:25:49,439 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 1: If you ever seen that movie, I'm the that's one

1666
01:25:52,400 --> 01:25:54,960
Speaker 1: of my That's that is in my top five films

1667
01:25:55,000 --> 01:25:58,479
Speaker 1: of all time. Were familiar? Okay, that is my wife's

1668
01:25:58,479 --> 01:26:01,800
Speaker 1: family's absolute favorite movie. I've never seen it until what

1669
01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I married her, and that is her family's you know,

1670
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,760
Speaker 1: every family's kind of got that movie that it's just

1671
01:26:07,840 --> 01:26:10,960
Speaker 1: like their family. That is her family's movie. That's like

1672
01:26:11,040 --> 01:26:13,680
Speaker 1: my movie. So that's awesome. I can't wait to get

1673
01:26:13,680 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 1: your guys together. You guys will go for hours on

1674
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:19,800
Speaker 1: What About Bob Huff. The night we played beer pong.

1675
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:27,040
Speaker 1: You played beer pong with Sigmund Yes, I remember that, Yeah, Corsimo,

1676
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:31,040
Speaker 1: yes exactly. I was so excited to get a picture

1677
01:26:31,080 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 1: with you for your family. Yeah right, so that's right,

1678
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,120
Speaker 1: that's right. Yeah. So man, we got to have like

1679
01:26:36,200 --> 01:26:40,880
Speaker 1: a screening mant. I have that movie verbatim. I got

1680
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:43,200
Speaker 1: the whole do the whole thing, dude. My kids love

1681
01:26:43,280 --> 01:26:46,760
Speaker 1: it now too, which called go ahead. No, I'm just

1682
01:26:46,840 --> 01:26:49,280
Speaker 1: saying it was so cool now hearing my kids quote

1683
01:26:49,320 --> 01:26:52,080
Speaker 1: that movie. They just they love it the best. It's

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Speaker 1: I used to call our team, our basketball team. We

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Speaker 1: were the fam. When he was like, oh the fam.

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Speaker 1: I love it so good. I see. This is a joy.

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Speaker 1: It's not also bad on a Monday, A little chat

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Speaker 1: with a hot little little what about Bobby in a

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Speaker 1: good mood, good talking to you much as always. Oh man,

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Speaker 1: thanks for having me on. I feel so much better

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Speaker 1: now than I did fifty minutes ago, So thanks for that,

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Speaker 1: and I'm glad we got to end on a high note. Yes, therapy,

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Speaker 1: that's what thanks buddy. Baby steps a Monday night score

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Speaker 1: learn more. Give a Oh got a real hum dinger

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Speaker 1: on a Monday night, I'll skip this. Yeah. How about

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Speaker 1: Bears losers of three straight going to New England Patriots

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Speaker 1: three and three, Bears two and four. Give us a score. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we're red hot here. This number, though, feels enormous. It's

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Speaker 1: gone up. It feels enormous. It's gone up a point

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Speaker 1: in a half since Thursday. Patriots twenty Bears. God, I

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Speaker 1: would kill for that Belichick with an extra day. It's

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Speaker 1: gone up for a reason. Bears two, Patriots eighteen. Oh baby,

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Speaker 1: we're back tomorrow. The next level is next. Enjoy it.

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