Speaker 1: You know. I had a job interview once and I
Speaker 1: went in and the person asked me, what where do
Speaker 1: you see yourself in five years? I knew it was
Speaker 1: a I shouldn't say it, but I said prison. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Ozzy Confidential. I'm your host, you Jean Sir Robinson.
Speaker 1: And what do we got this week? I'll tell you
Speaker 1: very simply. We got a one mister pillcles most dramas.
Speaker 1: All right, this is gonna take a bit. I'm a
Speaker 1: huge fan of Gene Hackman. He came to my attention
Speaker 1: first and foremost with the nineteen seventies flick The French Connection.
Speaker 1: Fantastic movie. If you haven't seen it, you should see it,
Speaker 1: about a detective who's chasing an international drug trafficker through
Speaker 1: the streets of New York and fundamentally eventually to France.
Speaker 1: Great story, great movie. I'm no more spoiler alerts. Watch
Speaker 1: it anyway. Stuck in the back of my head this
Speaker 1: idea international drug trafficker, drug trafficker, And then I see
Speaker 1: a newspaper kiosk man arrested selling drugs for his mother
Speaker 1: wear all over the globe. There's my international drug trafficker.
Speaker 1: Imagine that. Come on so he says in the beginning,
Speaker 1: you know, he is, I can get you off of
Speaker 1: six years. I'm going six years. I go for first offense.
Speaker 1: I go really and I had no meth, no guns,
Speaker 1: no cash, no coke, no heroin. I go six years,
Speaker 1: because hey man, I like to err on the side
Speaker 1: of caution and tell you the higher number than to
Speaker 1: tell you I'm going to get you off. And I go, well,
Speaker 1: that doesn't make me feel any better. To be honest
Speaker 1: with you, I'd rather you lie to me. As my
Speaker 1: mother fell into a deeper state of alzheimer, I had
Speaker 1: a payer medical bills. You all of a sudden tacked
Speaker 1: five grand onto your expenditures every month. That's going to
Speaker 1: come from somewhere. Now you can say, as some people have,
Speaker 1: you could have gotten another job. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: I don't think I could have, because I was working
Speaker 1: my butt off at the gym. But the stress of
Speaker 1: her being in this facility, in a better care facility,
Speaker 1: a better care facility, her health is declining. I have
Speaker 1: a profitable GM, as you know, or I did, and
Speaker 1: the stress of you know, her impending doom just took
Speaker 1: a toll on me. It's not a huge amount. But
Speaker 1: that's on top of everything else. I had employees, I
Speaker 1: had a rent, I had a fiance. I was taking
Speaker 1: care of her kid. So it started off at fifteen
Speaker 1: hundred dollars a month, went up every time she would
Speaker 1: get kicked out, it would have to go to a
Speaker 1: different level of care kicked out. She one time she
Speaker 1: got kicked out because she was throwing rocks at cars.
Speaker 1: And you met my mother. Yeah, yeah, Another time she
Speaker 1: would walk down the hallways and just punch people in
Speaker 1: the face. My mother's like four foot ten, you know,
Speaker 1: but that was the dementia, man, And yeah, she would
Speaker 1: yell and scream, and it just got progressively worse, and
Speaker 1: that's part of the part of the disease. So she
Speaker 1: would get kicked out, we'd have to find a different,
Speaker 1: higher level of care. And as that happened, the costs
Speaker 1: went up. So that's how I got into that. You know,
Speaker 1: I was talking to Bruce Cutler, John got his mouthpiece,
Speaker 1: his lawyer, and he said to me, look, only a
Speaker 1: fucking degenerate goes into crime accepting the three occasions, unless
Speaker 1: you're poor, unless you're despairing, or as part of your culture.
Speaker 1: In this instance, I'm gonna go for despairing. So every
Speaker 1: one of us, I imagine, if we think about our
Speaker 1: criminal proclivities, we have a good idea of the type
Speaker 1: of crime we'd be good at. My own personal doctor
Speaker 1: would tell me, you know, steroids don't work, and I'm like,
Speaker 1: but they do. You're monitoring me. You know that they were.
Speaker 1: But what he said is there have not been any
Speaker 1: studies done to prove that they were correct. But he
Speaker 1: was a very smart man. I mean, what he was
Speaker 1: trying to do was to push me away from him.
Speaker 1: But it's like you know, saying, you know, cocaine will
Speaker 1: not get you high. It's like, okay, but it will.
Speaker 1: So so your doctor was telling you know, they're trying
Speaker 1: to push you away. Where were you getting the steroids
Speaker 1: at this point, you know, guys at the gym. That's
Speaker 1: how it started, Guys at the gym. And I think
Speaker 1: you know quite a few. I think you know quite
Speaker 1: a few. Yeah. Back in the time, I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: this is before they became what are they class three drug?
Speaker 1: This is when it was misdemeanor to basically possess and
Speaker 1: sell and use whatever. So we would make a lot
Speaker 1: of runs into Mexico back in the heyday, Mexican just
Speaker 1: stuff our pants, you know. Come back. The one time
Speaker 1: I brought two friends down with me, it was Memorial
Speaker 1: Day and we went in there. We bought about five
Speaker 1: six thousand o's with the stuff, so I divvied it
Speaker 1: up amongst us. You know, we had stuff in our
Speaker 1: crotch pants, socks, and I think the pharmacy. The pharmacist
Speaker 1: told the authorities because at the border it took us
Speaker 1: an hour just to get overwalking. So out of a crowd,
Speaker 1: they picked two of us. Now I was huge at
Speaker 1: the time, so it was kind of a bad idea,
Speaker 1: but I figured with all these many people that there's
Speaker 1: no way that I'm going to be picked out of
Speaker 1: a crowd. Well I was. You know, they found this stuff.
Speaker 1: They gave me an option to pay a five hundred
Speaker 1: dollars fine. They would take the products and if I
Speaker 1: had never got in trouble again in two years, they
Speaker 1: would be sponged off my record or I can come
Speaker 1: back to court and fight it. So I obviously took
Speaker 1: the first option. Here we called it a day. So yeah,
Speaker 1: but we were able. I mean I had friends that
Speaker 1: would go down and put it in tires, drive back.
Speaker 1: It just didn't matter. It was a free for all.
Speaker 1: Selling drugs is one thing, selling enough drugs so that
Speaker 1: you're getting nabbed by the FBI something else entirely. I
Speaker 1: met a guy online I was I was looking to
Speaker 1: get back into competing. He somehow got me to become
Speaker 1: partners with him. And then right after that, my mom
Speaker 1: was diagnosed. So we ramped up our operation. So I
Speaker 1: went from you know, one hundred bottles a month two
Speaker 1: Oh you know when I when I was arrested. Uh,
Speaker 1: we were in the process of getting a warehouse. We
Speaker 1: had a pillow press. We were doing close to a
Speaker 1: mill here. So how did you know? I mean, you
Speaker 1: know chemist? I mean I'm not Yeah, I mean I
Speaker 1: don't don't. I don't have the formal training per se,
Speaker 1: But I'm I'm a home chemist. If you will, no,
Speaker 1: I mean, if somebody gives me a bunch of powders,
Speaker 1: I mean I put salt and pepper. Again, you just
Speaker 1: you need Uh It's terists are not that hard to make. Uh.
Speaker 1: You know, granted, there's a there's a learning curve and
Speaker 1: you have to be careful about it. You have to
Speaker 1: be uh you know, uh sterile. Uh you know, there's
Speaker 1: the stuff that it's going into your bloodstream. Now, if
Speaker 1: it's a normal it's not really as important, although it
Speaker 1: should be because your stomach asses will basically kill everything.
Speaker 1: But there are solvents, there are into microbials that you
Speaker 1: put in there you sterilize everything. And this being stuff
Speaker 1: that I also used, it made sense that I was
Speaker 1: extra careful. So it was the idea that if you
Speaker 1: got the separate elements shift that you couldn't be busted
Speaker 1: for them because they were not combined into anything. No, no,
Speaker 1: it's illegal. At that point it was, it was illegal.
Speaker 1: So what was this was the right after Barry Bonds
Speaker 1: and the whole thing. So what was the benefit then
Speaker 1: of bringing in the well. I'll tell you what. If
Speaker 1: I get one hundred grams of let's say it's astosterolprope,
Speaker 1: I can turn that one hundred grams of raw powder
Speaker 1: into one hundred plus vials, okay, for the cost to
Speaker 1: me of maybe two dollars a vial. I'm selling that
Speaker 1: stuff wholesale for thirty and that guy is turning around
Speaker 1: selling for sixty and whatever else is going down the line.
Speaker 1: So it's a good business. Oh, absolutely. The profit margins
Speaker 1: are huge. But yeah, I just didn't realize that's time,
Speaker 1: how much totally took on me, you know, having to
Speaker 1: deal with that. So you know, I'm a big guy.
Speaker 1: I'm big strong man. I don't need you know, counseling.
Speaker 1: I don't need any I'll take care of it. That's
Speaker 1: not the case. You know. It eats you up inside.
Speaker 1: It started off as a hobby, the making of the steroids,
Speaker 1: and then we moved down to other Viking in ambient
Speaker 1: valium xanax. So and how did you decide to branch
Speaker 1: out to vic it in and money? Yeah, shit, you
Speaker 1: name it. Coke. No, no, that I have to give
Speaker 1: myself very little credit, but what credit is to I
Speaker 1: was not gonna mess with coke. I was not gonna
Speaker 1: mess with meth Uh. They said that I had MDMA.
Speaker 1: What I had was an analog, so it was not MTMA.
Speaker 1: But it's just positive for MDMA. Now it is nowhere
Speaker 1: near MDMA. It's not the quality, but it's one of
Speaker 1: those analogs. So sold ecstasy technically, yes, I mean, if
Speaker 1: if you want to be specific, yes, were you doing
Speaker 1: with this? You're about to move into warehouse that one
Speaker 1: day you wake up like any other day. Well, I
Speaker 1: had a feeling for quite some time. My ex at
Speaker 1: the time was saying, you got to stop doing this
Speaker 1: ship and you know, I h I said, I know.
Speaker 1: But once the money starts flowing in, you know, the
Speaker 1: you start to rationalize and justify thing. You're like, we
Speaker 1: lived in Midtown Pallet, you know, it's a quite neighborhood.
Speaker 1: I lived in a ten you know, department building, and
Speaker 1: we kept seeing this white van outside but it was
Speaker 1: out of place. It wasn't a newer van. It was
Speaker 1: just like it wasn't beat up, but it's just a
Speaker 1: weird van and you'd see it outside the house. But
Speaker 1: I had this uneasy feeling for over a month, and
Speaker 1: I was under observation. I think for three or four
Speaker 1: they couldn't figure out what I was doing because I
Speaker 1: wasn't out in the open. None of my stuff took
Speaker 1: a place in a face to face, hand to hand transaction.
Speaker 1: Mine was all mailed. So they see me leaving with
Speaker 1: bags every day and go to the post office for
Speaker 1: like three or four different post offices, you know, forty
Speaker 1: thirty packs at a time, three or four different post offices.
Speaker 1: Why just because you don't want you don't want to
Speaker 1: RaSE suspicion. I mean you're mailing a lot of stuff.
Speaker 1: You know, if you mail fifty packs or one hundred
Speaker 1: packs out of one post office, the chances that one
Speaker 1: might get seized are much greater. But I knew every
Speaker 1: postal worker from Palo Alto to you know, San Francisco.
Speaker 1: So see, the van is making you kind of use
Speaker 1: that's kind of weird. But you're discounting rush it off
Speaker 1: with it as a day. Well, strangely enough, helicopters are
Speaker 1: playing no no, no, no no. I'll tell you the
Speaker 1: exact story. I remember yesterday. You don't forget this ship.
Speaker 1: I was laying a bad naked I was watching ironically
Speaker 1: Law and Order, and I was drifting in and out
Speaker 1: of sleep and I heard this knocking. I had my
Speaker 1: bedroom door closed, so I thought they were doing construction
Speaker 1: because they were doing construction next door, so I didn't
Speaker 1: paying attention and it kept going on. And what I
Speaker 1: didn't realize that they were yelling police, get to open
Speaker 1: the door search form. Uh. So I walked out to
Speaker 1: hear what the noise was and the door just blew off.
Speaker 1: The hinges Ida Homeland Security FBI and the local police department.
Speaker 1: And then I'm naked and they're like get on the floor,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, really, dude, can I you know, the
Speaker 1: first thing is say, I'm not doing you know. You see,
Speaker 1: I don't have any weapons right right, right right? You
Speaker 1: know where am I hiding him? Right? Just just relax?
Speaker 1: You know, I got nothing. So they put me on
Speaker 1: the floor of the handcuff me. Yeah, tore the house apart,
Speaker 1: said where are the drugs? I go, really, there's there's
Speaker 1: like five huge boxes in the living room, unopened. I
Speaker 1: go right there. But I mean they tore tore the
Speaker 1: house up. When I was arrested. There's two hundred and
Speaker 1: seventy thousand dollars with the stuff in my house. You know.
Speaker 1: So I'm sitting here talking to this guy, talking to him,
Speaker 1: not separated by plexiglass, and I'm wondering one point two
Speaker 1: million dollar question how he beat the rap. So you
Speaker 1: show up in the court and suit and you sit
Speaker 1: there and then they say, well, we're gonna move this
Speaker 1: for continuance next month. We'll see you next month. And
Speaker 1: this went on for years. Oh, it wasn't a thing
Speaker 1: speedy try or yeah, but you don't want that, yo,
Speaker 1: You didn't want that. No you don't. Why, well, because
Speaker 1: what happened was I had something that they called a
Speaker 1: safety net. Because I don't have a real criminal history,
Speaker 1: I'm able to provide them information as to how I
Speaker 1: ran my operation. They wanted to indict my girl, my
Speaker 1: fiance at the time. I said, she had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with it. Man, she did or she really didn't.
Speaker 1: And that's the God's honest truth. She wanted you know,
Speaker 1: in the beginning, she didn't even know. But that's how
Speaker 1: they get you to move on. So I spilled had
Speaker 1: five boxes in the literary right. No, no, no no, listen,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying she was completely non complicity in that manner,
Speaker 1: but that came towards the end. In the beginning, she
Speaker 1: had no idea. For the first couple of years, she
Speaker 1: had no idea. Has it ramped up, Yeah, of course.
Speaker 1: But she was the voice of reason, always telling me,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to stop this, got to get
Speaker 1: the shit out of the house, you gotta do this.
Speaker 1: And I'm like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, but you know,
Speaker 1: you're working, you're not sleeping, you're stressed out. That was
Speaker 1: the last of my concerns, and I thought I was
Speaker 1: smarter than law enforcement everybody else, because again we weren't dealing,
Speaker 1: dealing in face to face, and I mean nobody knew.
Speaker 1: Nobody knew. Some of my best friends didn't know. All right,
Speaker 1: So now what you want to do is get So
Speaker 1: what you're saying is you want to get a continuance, continuous, continuous,
Speaker 1: just to drag it out as long as possible. Well,
Speaker 1: basically because they want to see are you able to reintegrate. Well.
Speaker 1: I never really was away from society in the sense
Speaker 1: I was. This was not my main source of income,
Speaker 1: It was not my employment, It was not what I
Speaker 1: aspired to be. This was a secondary thing for me,
Speaker 1: and it came out of necessity. Now i'd be lying
Speaker 1: to say that I didn't stay in it because of
Speaker 1: the money. But this I didn't wake up one day
Speaker 1: and go, you know what's missing out of my life
Speaker 1: drug dealing? You know I need to be a drug dealer. No,
Speaker 1: it came out of it was a necessity. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I'd be flat out lying to you and say that
Speaker 1: I didn't pursue it further because of the money that
Speaker 1: was coming in. And the thing with me was that
Speaker 1: I didn't sell ship. It was top notch quality stuff.
Speaker 1: Did you actually have a name for the business or no, No,
Speaker 1: there's there's no need to name that really people, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I have screen name. The mad Greek is what I
Speaker 1: want to you know. In the end, we just kept
Speaker 1: whittling and whittling away. Looking back on it, it was
Speaker 1: very stressful. But those years that I was on pre
Speaker 1: trial is they wanted to see am I able to
Speaker 1: conduct myself in a manner consistent with what they were
Speaker 1: looking for? You know, absolutely, you know, you don't realize
Speaker 1: it at the time. You're like, well, is this gonna
Speaker 1: fucking end? Because every month for a while I had
Speaker 1: to go to court. It's like the army. They want
Speaker 1: to break you down, you know, brainwash you and make
Speaker 1: you conform to their standards and their desires. Once you
Speaker 1: do that, they leave you alone. So this is a
Speaker 1: guy who walks up to the abyss, is almost claimed
Speaker 1: by the abyss, escapes the abyss by What do you
Speaker 1: do after that? How do you square yourself with a
Speaker 1: non abyss lifestyle? Looking back on it, it it all worked
Speaker 1: out for the best. That's how I met the company
Speaker 1: that I'm at now. I had three days to get
Speaker 1: a job or to volunteer, and I actually ended up
Speaker 1: volunteering for a place in San Francisco that cleans the streets,
Speaker 1: works with a homeless. Now, if you would have told
Speaker 1: me four years ago, three years ago, two years ago
Speaker 1: that I'd be cleaning up shit, needles and garbage for
Speaker 1: twenty bucks a day, I tell you to go fuck yourself. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, But I tell you what, I freaking loved it.
Speaker 1: I freaking loved it. I love the people that I
Speaker 1: was working with. It made me feel better about myself,
Speaker 1: and I was giving back to the community. And now
Speaker 1: I actually work for the company in a different capacity,
Speaker 1: but we're still working with the homeless, you know, And
Speaker 1: so I'm glad for what I went through. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's definitely made me a stronger person. You know, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't want to do it all over again, But I
Speaker 1: still wonder, you know, is there anything about that high
Speaker 1: wire act that you miss just a little bit, a
Speaker 1: little bit? And if you do miss it just a
Speaker 1: little bit, how tempting is it to go back. I
Speaker 1: don't have a grip on what it is that I
Speaker 1: want to do, you know, for the rest of my life.
Speaker 1: You know, I would have this hot beautiful, smart girl
Speaker 1: that you know I would day and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden I'd be like, yeah, you know what I can
Speaker 1: do better? But there was nothing wrong with her, you know.
Speaker 1: In my mind though, it's like I got to go
Speaker 1: a step above. Why why? You know, Enjoy the moment,
Speaker 1: Enjoy the people you're with, Enjoy where you're at. Or
Speaker 1: what I don't miss is the stress, the sleepless nights.
Speaker 1: And then always in the back of your mind there's
Speaker 1: always the thought of fuck, what if I get caught?
Speaker 1: What if I get busted? You know, so that that
Speaker 1: follows you around all day. You know, you try to
Speaker 1: put it out of your mind, go about your business.
Speaker 1: But if your originable a reasonable human being, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna think about that. So i'n al miss the stress. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I almost the guilt of being involved in
Speaker 1: that at all. You know, in retrospect it might be,
Speaker 1: you know, a great thing that I did get busted
Speaker 1: because who knows what what would have happened from there?
Speaker 1: So there you go, purpose bound living in forming a
Speaker 1: man's entire existence, giving him super in support. He says,
Speaker 1: I guess it sounds plausible, Eh, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I believe it, but he believes it. And if it's
Speaker 1: like Candide Voltaire's Great book, and doctor Pangloss says, and
Speaker 1: doctor Pangloss says it is so, it must be so.
Speaker 1: So I guess I gotta believe man anyway. Next up,
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