1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: Good morning, peep Sena. Welcome to Okay f Daily with 2 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: Meet your Girl Danielle Moody recording from the Homebunker. Folks, 3 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 1: the student loan debt crisis isn't like COVID. It isn't 4 00:00:26,480 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: something that was unheard of, came out of nowhere. We 5 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:37,280 Speaker 1: have no idea how it happened. It's a man made crisis. 6 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,280 Speaker 1: It was a crisis that was made by very greedy 7 00:00:42,320 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: politicians and cahoots with the banks and essentially loan sharks 8 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:52,080 Speaker 1: to sucker people into believing that they could have access 9 00:00:52,120 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: to the American dream. All they needed was to go 10 00:00:56,280 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 1: to college. Because that's what we were all told, right 11 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: that if you wanted better opportunity and more opportunity and 12 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:06,440 Speaker 1: a lucrative job, then you needed to get a four 13 00:01:06,520 --> 00:01:11,160 Speaker 1: year degree and then after that potentially get another two 14 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: or three year degree to up your chances at living 15 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 1: the American dream. Well, Low and behold. As decades have passed, 16 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:26,479 Speaker 1: college the cost of college went from being a couple 17 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: of hundred dollars a year or a couple of thousand 18 00:01:30,200 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: dollars a year two in some places, fifty sixty eighty 19 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: thousand dollars a year we tell people that the better 20 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: the institution that you get into, the better the opportunities accept. 21 00:01:45,920 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: The better the institution, the higher the cost. Forty five 22 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:57,280 Speaker 1: million people in this country are drowning under student loan 23 00:01:57,400 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: debt that is in the trillions of dollars. Now, when 24 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: we say things like trillions, it's hard for us to 25 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:08,799 Speaker 1: readily wrap our minds around it, because, I mean, frankly, 26 00:02:08,840 --> 00:02:12,760 Speaker 1: once we get past hundreds of millions, or even into 27 00:02:12,760 --> 00:02:16,800 Speaker 1: the billions, most of our eyes glaze over because that's 28 00:02:16,840 --> 00:02:19,800 Speaker 1: money we'll never know, we'll never see, we'll never be 29 00:02:19,840 --> 00:02:29,040 Speaker 1: able to comprehend. There are people who wanted to become teachers, veterinarians, 30 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: lawyers who are struggling under six figures worth of debt. 31 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: There are older people. We think about this crisis as 32 00:02:45,840 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: something that plagues the young. Well it doesn't just plague 33 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:54,880 Speaker 1: the young. Because you graduate from school roughly at twenty 34 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:58,680 Speaker 1: twenty one years old, you get into your first job, 35 00:02:58,760 --> 00:03:01,920 Speaker 1: and immediately you're hit with that letter that says you 36 00:03:01,960 --> 00:03:05,600 Speaker 1: need to start paying back your student loans. Well, if 37 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:08,160 Speaker 1: you get the bill, and the bill is one hundred 38 00:03:08,240 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and you're twenty one, chances of you being 39 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: able to pay more than a couple hundred dollars out 40 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: of your paycheck, after you pay rent, after you pay 41 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: a car note, after you pay your cell phone bill, 42 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:26,239 Speaker 1: after you pay for transit to get to the job 43 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: that is helping you pay these things, you only have 44 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: a little bit that is left over. Well, Blake zeph 45 00:03:37,720 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: an investigative reporter, after dealing with his wife's own six 46 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: figure worth of debt and the struggle that she was 47 00:03:47,240 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: going through to pay that off after wanting to procure 48 00:03:50,600 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: a psychology degree, decided to get to the root of 49 00:03:55,400 --> 00:04:01,520 Speaker 1: the route. Took to the road travel cross country in 50 00:04:01,720 --> 00:04:08,320 Speaker 1: his new documentary Loan Wolves to talk with Americans of 51 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 1: all persuasions, of all political backgrounds about their crushing student 52 00:04:14,600 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 1: loan debt and the lie that they have been sold 53 00:04:18,120 --> 00:04:21,720 Speaker 1: that they will have access to the American dream if 54 00:04:21,760 --> 00:04:27,360 Speaker 1: only they're willing to, you know, work hard. You'll see 55 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:32,599 Speaker 1: some familiar faces in Blake's documentary. Our friend, doctor Christina Greer, 56 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: who is a professor at Fordham University, will talk about 57 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:44,039 Speaker 1: the fact that young people who she talks to on 58 00:04:44,080 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: a regular basis say, well, their dreams are already dashed. 59 00:04:49,880 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: These are young people that haven't even left undergraduate yet, 60 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: who believe that their dreams of going into a profession 61 00:04:58,839 --> 00:05:02,920 Speaker 1: that was going to be their passion, their drive no 62 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: longer makes sense, not with the debt that they're incurring. 63 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:07,560 Speaker 1: Now they just need to go in and make money. 64 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: That's devastating. And what does it say for generations to 65 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,000 Speaker 1: come if they are hip to the idea that their 66 00:05:21,120 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: parents are still paying off their student loan debt, then 67 00:05:26,000 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: they're trying to go into further debt to pay for 68 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: their children, to help support them in some way, go 69 00:05:32,880 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: to college to incur more debt. Well, then guess what 70 00:05:39,120 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: there's going to be a generation of young people that decide, yeah, 71 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 1: maybe colleges inform me? What does that mean about our 72 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: competitiveness as a nation? What does that mean about the 73 00:05:53,360 --> 00:06:00,799 Speaker 1: future of this country, our economy, our output? If people 74 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 1: can no longer access the American dream, if it really 75 00:06:04,040 --> 00:06:06,840 Speaker 1: is just something that you can hold onto at night 76 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: when you're asleep, and not something that you can readily 77 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: access in the day, what does that mean for our 78 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: future collectively? Coming up next, my conversation with investigative reporter 79 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 1: and the man behind the documentary that is airing on 80 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: both MSNBC and Peacock. Lone Wolves Blake Zef Folks, I 81 00:06:36,880 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: am very excited to welcome to WOKA after Daily for 82 00:06:40,360 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: the first time investigative reporter Blake Jeff who has Blake 83 00:06:46,920 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: zaff excuse me? Who has captivated me? It's not often 84 00:06:54,120 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: that I watch commercials, Blake. I'll tell you on MSNBC, 85 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:59,719 Speaker 1: I kind of you know, I'm that person that will 86 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:03,160 Speaker 1: flip back and forth. You know, as soon as commercial 87 00:07:03,200 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 1: goes up, I'm like onto the next station and the documentary. 88 00:07:09,400 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 1: Your documentary Loan Wolves. I the trailer was so thrilling, 89 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: So folks, Lone Wolves documents a cross country adventure uncovering 90 00:07:23,800 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: the effects of the student loan debt crisis. And you 91 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 1: investigate Blake exactly who is to blame for the crisis 92 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 1: that we're in, and you you know, it kind of 93 00:07:39,160 --> 00:07:42,400 Speaker 1: signals to me and I, you know, and we'll jump 94 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: right in that this was purposefully done. That the fact 95 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:51,800 Speaker 1: that we have a student loan crisis. This isn't like COVID, 96 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: like we don't know where it came from, right, and 97 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: we just have to kind of deal with the effects 98 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: of this. You know, we were sold and I mean 99 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: as the American people were sold this idea that everyone 100 00:08:05,360 --> 00:08:08,080 Speaker 1: needs to go to college, and if you go to college, 101 00:08:08,400 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: you will come out with a good paying job, you'll 102 00:08:11,480 --> 00:08:14,880 Speaker 1: be better off than your parents, and you know, and 103 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: the psycho will progress well. Over the course of I 104 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: don't know how many decades, college went from being affordable 105 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 1: where states were largely flipping the bill if you were 106 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:29,640 Speaker 1: going to a state school and if you had the 107 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: means or you got a scholarship to go to a 108 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: private school, God bless you know, good for you. Then 109 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:41,320 Speaker 1: over the decades, college went from being readily affordable to 110 00:08:41,559 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 1: putting mostly black people of color, low income people in 111 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:53,520 Speaker 1: six figures worth of debt to get a four year degree. 112 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:55,760 Speaker 1: So I just want to I want you to tell 113 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,319 Speaker 1: to tell us you know why you decided to do this, 114 00:09:00,440 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 1: is what prompted this cross country investigation, and then give 115 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: us a little bit of insight into some of the 116 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:16,880 Speaker 1: things that you heard. Having me, let me say, I 117 00:09:16,880 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: I agree with everything you just said. It really started 118 00:09:19,080 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: for me. I saw my wife. You know, she grew 119 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 1: up in middle class family and she went to grad 120 00:09:26,520 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: school to become a psychologist to help veterans with PTSD, 121 00:09:30,679 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: which is a nice thing, right, something thinks that our government, 122 00:09:33,600 --> 00:09:36,680 Speaker 1: society would want to encourage. But she ended up graduating 123 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 1: with two hundred thousand dollars of student debt. And I 124 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 1: saw her dealing with the student loan companies, and it 125 00:09:42,480 --> 00:09:45,200 Speaker 1: wasn't just the numbers, Daniel, which the numbers are bad enough, right, 126 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: two hundred thousand dollars, two thousand dollars a month we're paying, 127 00:09:49,000 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: but they're really sketchy the way. And you know, your 128 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: listeners who deal with student loans will know this, they'll 129 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: recognize this. There's a lot of fine print. You get 130 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,400 Speaker 1: these notices claiming you didn't pay when you did pay, 131 00:10:00,400 --> 00:10:02,320 Speaker 1: a lot of that kind of stuff, really sketchy stuff. 132 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,959 Speaker 1: So the journalist in me started to smell a rat 133 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: and I thought to myself, well, we're dealing with this, 134 00:10:08,120 --> 00:10:12,600 Speaker 1: and there's forty forty five million Americans who have student debt. 135 00:10:12,800 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: This has got to be a huge, massive issue. And 136 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: so as I started to look into this more and 137 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 1: more and more, it kind even worse than I ever 138 00:10:19,360 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 1: could have imagined. I mean, you talked before about how 139 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 1: you know this was a man made crisis, a disaster. 140 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,880 Speaker 1: It's not like COVID this was the people who represent 141 00:10:29,960 --> 00:10:32,680 Speaker 1: us in Congress. Politicians are supposed to work for us, 142 00:10:32,720 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: are supposed to help us. But I found as I 143 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: dug deeper and deeper into this, that they were doing 144 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:42,160 Speaker 1: the exact opposite. I mean, you know it what is 145 00:10:42,200 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: so heartbreaking? And this came up in you know, in 146 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: a couple of the people that you interviewed, that they 147 00:10:53,120 --> 00:10:58,000 Speaker 1: were sold a lie, right, that they were sold a lie. 148 00:10:58,040 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: And it isn't even just about the fine print in 149 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: terms of the actual loans that they are taking out. 150 00:11:04,760 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 1: They were sold a lie as to what this degree 151 00:11:08,720 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: right was going to be able to offer them. And 152 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,560 Speaker 1: I can tell you I have two younger cousins who 153 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:20,719 Speaker 1: are much much younger than me graduated. One of them 154 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 1: decided to was able to graduate six figure debt. The 155 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,360 Speaker 1: other one had to leave school because he could no 156 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: longer afford it. Still has considerable debt, which I know 157 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,480 Speaker 1: is also a large part of this as well, which 158 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: is people that go into higher education and then part 159 00:11:41,000 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: way through can't afford the tuition, but still are now 160 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 1: paying off the degree that they didn't get. So talk 161 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 1: about some of the things that the themes I guess 162 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: that came up in conversations and again this is striking 163 00:11:57,080 --> 00:12:02,920 Speaker 1: all Americans, not just one particular group, and talk about 164 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 1: what they said. Well, broad theme, say this movie one 165 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:13,240 Speaker 1: is what you just said, the complete live the quote 166 00:12:13,320 --> 00:12:16,560 Speaker 1: unquote American dream. Like you said, people are seventeen years old, 167 00:12:16,600 --> 00:12:18,360 Speaker 1: eighteen years old, what are you told in this country? 168 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 1: Work hard? And if you work hard, whether you grow 169 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 1: up in poverty or in the middle class, whatever you 170 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:24,800 Speaker 1: might want to do to have a good life, if 171 00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:27,400 Speaker 1: you work hard, study, go to school, you'll get a 172 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:30,199 Speaker 1: good job when you graduate, and you'll have a good life. Well, 173 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: it turns out that for most Americans who can't afford college, 174 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: some colleges right now, Danielle cost eighty five thousand dollars, 175 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:41,199 Speaker 1: which is in santeen eighty five thousand dollars. It was 176 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: eighty five thousand dollars for the four years I would 177 00:12:43,120 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 1: still need, insane amount. Eighty five thousand years is crazy. Okay, 178 00:12:46,760 --> 00:12:49,839 Speaker 1: So you could we tell these people, these young people 179 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,400 Speaker 1: seventeen years old, eighteen years old, better yourself and work 180 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:55,320 Speaker 1: really really hard. And what happens is they do that 181 00:12:55,760 --> 00:12:58,440 Speaker 1: and then they're handed the stack of loan papers that 182 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: you know, even at h Now, I wouldn't understand half 183 00:13:02,240 --> 00:13:05,679 Speaker 1: the things. There's something called compounding interest, which basically says, 184 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,680 Speaker 1: if you're behind on a payment, you're interesting. You know, 185 00:13:08,679 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: they could do compounding interest, which means, you know, like 186 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: when you take out a loan, you'll pay the principle 187 00:13:12,880 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 1: and then there's a little bit of interest. Compounding interest 188 00:13:15,400 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: is interest on the interest yea, So that if you're behind, 189 00:13:18,320 --> 00:13:21,240 Speaker 1: they'll start compounding your interest to the point where your 190 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:23,080 Speaker 1: loans just get out of control. So we talked to 191 00:13:23,800 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: one guy was a teacher, first in his family to 192 00:13:25,760 --> 00:13:28,719 Speaker 1: go to college, and you start off with thirty five 193 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: thousand dollars in debt, and after missing a few payments, 194 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: they kept compounding his interest to the point where now 195 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: he's got one hundred fifty thousand dollars of debt. And 196 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: we talk about this in the film. You've seen it. 197 00:13:40,040 --> 00:13:43,760 Speaker 1: He's considering. He was considering suicide because it's you can 198 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: provide for his family. He felt like a failure. And 199 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: this guy did everything, excuse me, did everything right. He 200 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: was a first in his family go to college. He's 201 00:13:50,800 --> 00:13:54,400 Speaker 1: a teaching it's a great job, he's serving society. But 202 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:58,200 Speaker 1: it's that American dream is just not true for many people. 203 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: The other thing I want to mention about the big 204 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: theme is about our democracy, and I kind hinted at 205 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: this in my last answer, which is the politicians are 206 00:14:05,600 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: supposed to be looking out for us. In a way, 207 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:11,200 Speaker 1: they helped cause this crisis and have done nothing to 208 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 1: stop it. In nineteen ninety eight, two lines, and you 209 00:14:15,480 --> 00:14:18,360 Speaker 1: know this, I'm watching two lines were added to a 210 00:14:18,400 --> 00:14:21,160 Speaker 1: massive education bill. They were snuck in these two lines 211 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,880 Speaker 1: that said student loans are basically one of the only 212 00:14:23,960 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: debts who can't get rid of through bankruptcy. And not 213 00:14:27,120 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 1: that everyone is dying to. Yeah, but it's a way 214 00:14:32,560 --> 00:14:34,560 Speaker 1: out for some. But the other reason that it's important 215 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: is if the loan companies the student lenders know that 216 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: there's not even a potential threat of bankruptcy, they will 217 00:14:40,720 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 1: just lend out tons of money to anyone, whether they 218 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: can pay it back or not. And the colleges know that, 219 00:14:45,560 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 1: so they'll just raise their prices at will. And that's 220 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: why tuition has gotten so high, because there's nothing checking 221 00:14:52,200 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: the colleges or the college lenders because they know the 222 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:58,080 Speaker 1: repayment is guaranteed. So this system is totally out of control. 223 00:14:58,560 --> 00:15:01,040 Speaker 1: And it needs absolute reform. So you know a lot 224 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: of people are for canceling student debt. That's great, but 225 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 1: that's like a backwards looking solution. That's where people already 226 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,160 Speaker 1: have the debt. You still also need to fix the 227 00:15:09,200 --> 00:15:12,000 Speaker 1: structural problems in the lending system because people will start 228 00:15:12,040 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 1: having new debt tomorrow if you cancel the debt. And 229 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:17,360 Speaker 1: so we get into that. But the government was the 230 00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 1: one who did that, And in the movie, I try 231 00:15:19,360 --> 00:15:22,120 Speaker 1: to track down who was the one responsible for it, 232 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 1: and it takes me on this journey that I never 233 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:29,120 Speaker 1: would have expected, and ultimately confront the person about it, 234 00:15:29,200 --> 00:15:32,720 Speaker 1: and we have a very heated conversation. You know. It's 235 00:15:33,280 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: it's so unfortunate because you know, when we think about bankruptcy, right, 236 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 1: bankruptcy is a tool of the rich. Bankruptcy is you know, 237 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: just to remind people, it is a way to wipe 238 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,800 Speaker 1: out your debt and be able to start over again. Right, 239 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:56,360 Speaker 1: And to think that somebody would have six figures worth 240 00:15:56,360 --> 00:15:59,680 Speaker 1: of debt, that is a teacher, blake, That is a 241 00:15:59,720 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: team John. We know in this country we love to 242 00:16:02,880 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 1: applaud teachers, but that's about it. We don't pay them, right, 243 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 1: So to have six figures worth of debt to get 244 00:16:10,360 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 1: into a job where you're not in most places, not 245 00:16:13,640 --> 00:16:19,480 Speaker 1: making six figures is basically setting up a trap. And 246 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:22,360 Speaker 1: so you know, one of the things as Joe Biden 247 00:16:23,240 --> 00:16:28,200 Speaker 1: Biden administration came out is we're waiting on the verdict 248 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: visa the courts because of Republican governors deciding to sue 249 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 1: the Biden administration. And I want to get your thoughts 250 00:16:36,680 --> 00:16:42,360 Speaker 1: on that. Joe Biden says on the campaign trail, we 251 00:16:42,400 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: need to do something about student loan debt. Everyone should 252 00:16:45,160 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: have access to the American dream, and student loan debt 253 00:16:49,200 --> 00:16:52,560 Speaker 1: is not allowing people to be able to do that. 254 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,320 Speaker 1: So he cancels up to twenty thousand dollars worth of 255 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,240 Speaker 1: PELL grants, ten thousand dollars of other grants to give 256 00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: people a fighting chance. Now, to the person that you 257 00:17:03,120 --> 00:17:07,080 Speaker 1: spoke about in the film, one hundred and fifty thousand 258 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:11,080 Speaker 1: dollars worth of debt, if you can even take away 259 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,679 Speaker 1: thirty thousand dollars, you know, that doesn't seem like a 260 00:17:16,720 --> 00:17:19,639 Speaker 1: whole large sum, but it is something, right, It is 261 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:24,680 Speaker 1: something that is significant. And now you have an entire 262 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,359 Speaker 1: political party that has decided to sue so that people 263 00:17:28,400 --> 00:17:31,320 Speaker 1: can suffer. How do you make sense of that, blake. 264 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:43,600 Speaker 1: It's cruel, it's political, it's unbelievable. So in the film 265 00:17:43,640 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: where we have Republicans trull, we've got this guy named 266 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: Wayne Johnson who this is unbelievable. I think most most 267 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:55,879 Speaker 1: people listeners won't know about it. If I didn't know 268 00:17:55,920 --> 00:17:59,440 Speaker 1: about it, and I really studied this topic. Wayne Johnson 269 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:03,800 Speaker 1: appointed by President Trump to overseein the student aid program 270 00:18:03,840 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: for the government a couple of years ago. He quit 271 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: his job because he couldn't believe how messed up this 272 00:18:12,480 --> 00:18:14,680 Speaker 1: system was and how it was hurting so many people. 273 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 1: He felt it was ruining the fabric of America because 274 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: it was putting these young people in life altering debt. 275 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,640 Speaker 1: By the way, not just young people, we should talk 276 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:26,160 Speaker 1: about this too, it's parents, parents sometimes, you know, parents 277 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:28,720 Speaker 1: and grandparents are co signing on these loans, or in 278 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:31,080 Speaker 1: other cases just people who have had these debts for 279 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,400 Speaker 1: so long now they're older in life and they still 280 00:18:33,400 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 1: have it. So he's seen generations of people who are 281 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 1: being put in this position, and he quit his job 282 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 1: after six months. He's like, I can't take this anymore. 283 00:18:41,400 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: And he this Republican serving Donald Trump has now come 284 00:18:44,280 --> 00:18:47,000 Speaker 1: out in favor of canceling student debt. He came out 285 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:50,480 Speaker 1: for canceling more student debt than Elizabeth Warren did even 286 00:18:50,640 --> 00:18:53,760 Speaker 1: And I mentioned this to say that there are people 287 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: of good conscience who when they see what is happening 288 00:18:56,880 --> 00:18:58,639 Speaker 1: and they actually are really involved in here, like this 289 00:18:58,680 --> 00:19:02,560 Speaker 1: is unbelievable. Problem is that politically, this has become so 290 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,520 Speaker 1: politicized that you're right, You've got the Republican Party simply 291 00:19:05,560 --> 00:19:09,560 Speaker 1: because Joe Biden wanted to do something, it became very political. 292 00:19:09,760 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: And so Biden did this debt cancelation and right away 293 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: they had to try to sue to stop it in court. 294 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,040 Speaker 1: And we've got a very political Supreme Court. I don't 295 00:19:18,040 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: have to tell you that, and that's who's going to 296 00:19:19,840 --> 00:19:22,119 Speaker 1: be hearing this case. And so this is just a 297 00:19:22,160 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: few months from now, the Supreme Court is going to 298 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:26,520 Speaker 1: be ruling on this. And if you're the Biden administration, 299 00:19:26,600 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: you can't be too optimistic about what's going to happen there. 300 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:34,440 Speaker 1: So m to answer your question. It's highly political. It's 301 00:19:34,520 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 1: highly partisan, and it's not about the substance because people 302 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: of all you know, political when they look at this, yeah, 303 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:47,240 Speaker 1: and they're they're also as you're saying, it's it's not 304 00:19:47,280 --> 00:19:50,040 Speaker 1: just democrats web student debt. There's forty five million people 305 00:19:50,040 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: in this country, you have it, right, So they're very constituents. 306 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: They're more people probably in red states who are student 307 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: now then in blue states. So it's really one of 308 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: these situations where the politicians are not representing their content 309 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,399 Speaker 1: their constituents interests, you know, And I think about to 310 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: a lot of these sept Nigerians actin Nigerians that are 311 00:20:11,359 --> 00:20:16,840 Speaker 1: representing us in government. And when you know, literally one 312 00:20:16,920 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: hundred years ago when they were in college college who 313 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:25,240 Speaker 1: was either free or it was really like a couple 314 00:20:25,240 --> 00:20:29,119 Speaker 1: of hundred dollars for a four year degree. So to 315 00:20:29,359 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: even you can't even um equate, oh well I paid 316 00:20:35,480 --> 00:20:38,159 Speaker 1: back my student loans. Well, you were never going to 317 00:20:38,280 --> 00:20:44,560 Speaker 1: incure a six figures worth of debt um And I 318 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 1: think that you know, what is what is really terrifying 319 00:20:47,520 --> 00:20:51,080 Speaker 1: with regard to the weaponized Supreme Court that you mentioned 320 00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:55,120 Speaker 1: is that you know, the majority of the Supreme Court 321 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 1: is wealthy, right, these are these are wealthy people. I 322 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: want you to be able to talk talk about too, 323 00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:04,520 Speaker 1: Who is making money off of this? Who is making 324 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: money off of forty five million Americans suffering in this country? 325 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 1: Did a couple of really good points there. First, I 326 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320 Speaker 1: want to tell the first point you made though about 327 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: the older generation is so important because I've never seen 328 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 1: an issue, Danielle, where the impact on Americans was so 329 00:21:24,040 --> 00:21:29,560 Speaker 1: severe and punishing, and yet the ability of the powerful people, 330 00:21:29,600 --> 00:21:32,439 Speaker 1: the policymakers, and even the media to understand it was 331 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: so low. There's such a gap between what is happening 332 00:21:35,160 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: and what is perceived the older people. We've We've a 333 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 1: professor in the film named Chrissy Greer at Fordham. She's 334 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,160 Speaker 1: a friend of the show and a friend of mine. Okay, okay, awesome, 335 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 1: Well let's give her a plug day. Yeah Greer from Fordham, 336 00:21:52,280 --> 00:21:55,200 Speaker 1: who's awesome, is in the stone and she says, oh, 337 00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,879 Speaker 1: you know, the older generation says I paid for my 338 00:21:58,119 --> 00:22:00,719 Speaker 1: colleague or whatever, and she's like, yeah, college back then 339 00:22:00,840 --> 00:22:04,359 Speaker 1: was two thousand dollars a year. Now it's like sixty 340 00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: five thousand dollars and you haven't even bought a book yet. 341 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,639 Speaker 1: She talks about how she's nervous and feels bad about 342 00:22:09,680 --> 00:22:12,000 Speaker 1: assigning books to students because she knows how hard it 343 00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,359 Speaker 1: is to afford even the books, because the tuition is 344 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,320 Speaker 1: so much. And she says she has students who say 345 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 1: to her, they've already given up on their dreams. They're 346 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,119 Speaker 1: in college, they've already given up on their dream jobs 347 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: because they have to do something that will pay, because 348 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: they're already in such a day that is so messed up. 349 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: That defeats the whole purpose of going to college. It's 350 00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:32,320 Speaker 1: really really horrible. So in terms of your other point 351 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: about who benefits from this, there are college lending companies. 352 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: There's a whole industry as student loan industry banks who 353 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: are making so much money, and they love when he 354 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,520 Speaker 1: can't declare bankruptcy on your students. That's great repayment for 355 00:22:46,560 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 1: them is totally guaranteed. It's a great system for them. 356 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: By the way, who do they give money to the politicians? 357 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,520 Speaker 1: So they donate money to the politicians, by the way, 358 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 1: it's happening on both parties, and these politicians no skin 359 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:02,000 Speaker 1: off there. They just give the student loan industry what 360 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: they want and as a self perpetuating cycle, and the 361 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:08,360 Speaker 1: victim are the American people. This is not at all 362 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: working in a way that benefits the people were supposedly 363 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 1: trying to help achieve the American dream. I mean, like, 364 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: it's such a horrific cycle, right to your point that 365 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: even this canceling of student loan debt even a little bit, 366 00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:32,680 Speaker 1: is not doing anything to fix the student loan situation 367 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: to begin with. Right, the cycle will just start over 368 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:42,639 Speaker 1: again for the next group of Americans that want to 369 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: get a higher education. What is the solution and where 370 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,920 Speaker 1: is the hope? Right? Like, does this does it just 371 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:59,359 Speaker 1: mean that we're going to have a generation that isn't 372 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: going to go to college because they're going to say, 373 00:24:04,480 --> 00:24:07,280 Speaker 1: what the hell is the point? Right? I might as 374 00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:11,840 Speaker 1: well just go and start working, because at the end 375 00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:15,840 Speaker 1: of the day, I'm getting six figures of worth of 376 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,240 Speaker 1: debt to go try and get a six figure job 377 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:22,160 Speaker 1: that I'm going to spend the entirety of my professional 378 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,280 Speaker 1: career trying to pay down this debt, not being able 379 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,080 Speaker 1: to buy a home a car. How does that even 380 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:33,920 Speaker 1: make sense? So what is the long term crisis look 381 00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:38,400 Speaker 1: like if it's not disrupted and fixed by the very 382 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: people that cost it three good day? It's the ultimate question. 383 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,479 Speaker 1: I think something's got to give I think the system 384 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:50,719 Speaker 1: is going to collapse under its own weight. You cannot 385 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:53,280 Speaker 1: have a situation where we tell young people that in 386 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: order to have a decent life, you've got to work 387 00:24:56,359 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: hard and go to college, and then we make college 388 00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: totally unaffordable, and in hid this crushing we're not talking 389 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,120 Speaker 1: about two thousand dollars debt, five thousand dollars that I mean, 390 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 1: there's almost two trillion dollars worth of student debt in 391 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,080 Speaker 1: this country. I know, when you hear a number like that, 392 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,520 Speaker 1: it just feels like monopoly money. So let's break it down. 393 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,440 Speaker 1: There's about forty five million people who have it, so 394 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,840 Speaker 1: on average ends of being about forty thousand per person. 395 00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 1: That's not the nightmare scenario. That's the average. Okay, when 396 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: you look at when you look at people go to 397 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,240 Speaker 1: grad school, and you know, we're telling people nowadays go 398 00:25:25,280 --> 00:25:28,080 Speaker 1: to grad school that that's a competitive advantage. Sometimes a 399 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 1: college degree is in even enough for a lot of jobs. 400 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: Right there are people who are struggling the job market. 401 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,920 Speaker 1: They have a bachelor's degree. Plenty people don't even have that, right, 402 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 1: but people of bachelor's degrees are having trouble getting certain jobs. 403 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:41,440 Speaker 1: They go to grad school to have an even better chance, 404 00:25:41,720 --> 00:25:44,960 Speaker 1: and they end up with these just one hundred thousand 405 00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:48,040 Speaker 1: dollars debts is very very common, right, and some of 406 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: these jobs, I mean, I gotta tell you, I wonder 407 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: if we're going to have these jobs anymore veterinarians. This 408 00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:55,440 Speaker 1: is like a random example. I know people are like, huh, 409 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:57,919 Speaker 1: it seems like obscure, But veterin arians, I think we 410 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,760 Speaker 1: all agree, like that's a good thing to have in society. 411 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:02,480 Speaker 1: If you have a pet, you want to be able 412 00:26:02,480 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: to take your pet to the doctor. They have very 413 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: high suicide rates veteran arians, very high. And one of 414 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,000 Speaker 1: the reasons they have been academic studies about this. One 415 00:26:13,040 --> 00:26:15,720 Speaker 1: of the reasons is they have such terrible student debt. 416 00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:19,560 Speaker 1: The average veterinarian average not worst case, has almost two 417 00:26:19,680 --> 00:26:22,480 Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars in student debt. Because it's a very 418 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: expensive degree. They've got to go to undergrad they've got 419 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:26,080 Speaker 1: to go to grad school, and they don't make a 420 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:28,320 Speaker 1: ton of money. I know it's expensive to bring your 421 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 1: dog or right, but they're not They're not raking in 422 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: tons of money, and so a lot of them are 423 00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 1: really struggling financially. Of course they also, you know, it's 424 00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:41,520 Speaker 1: very hard to treat dying animals. I'm sure that that 425 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: takes a toll too, but I just mentioned that as 426 00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:46,040 Speaker 1: one example the kinds of jobs that we just take 427 00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,120 Speaker 1: for granted in society. But they've literally done studies about 428 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 1: why is the studicide rates a high among veterinarians, and 429 00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,359 Speaker 1: they found one of the causes, not the only, but 430 00:26:53,440 --> 00:26:55,639 Speaker 1: one of the causes of student debt. This is it 431 00:26:55,720 --> 00:26:58,960 Speaker 1: leads to divorces. Student debt for moving on from veteran 432 00:26:59,000 --> 00:27:03,440 Speaker 1: arian sound just regular average folks. There's I saw wednesday, 433 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,040 Speaker 1: it's something like one in eight divorces because of student debt. 434 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: Because there's couples and families are crippled by this. People 435 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:14,040 Speaker 1: are getting married later, they're having to move to out 436 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:16,679 Speaker 1: of state, away from their families because of it. It 437 00:27:16,800 --> 00:27:19,800 Speaker 1: is upending people's lives in ways that you would just 438 00:27:19,880 --> 00:27:21,879 Speaker 1: not believe. So to answer your question, I have to 439 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: feel that there is a reckoning coming at some point 440 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,680 Speaker 1: where their system is going to have to be reformed 441 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:30,320 Speaker 1: because it is shaking the country to its core. Blake, 442 00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 1: I can't thank you enough for for this film, for 443 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: this documentary, because you know, we all and it's and 444 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,760 Speaker 1: it's crazy to say this because I'm saying it like 445 00:27:41,800 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: it's a virus. We all know someone, family members, friends, 446 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 1: colleagues that are one of the forty five million right 447 00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:52,280 Speaker 1: that are living under crushing debt, that are trying to 448 00:27:52,320 --> 00:27:55,160 Speaker 1: do the best that they can and they're drowning and 449 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:58,520 Speaker 1: no one is throwing them a lifeline. And I think 450 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,720 Speaker 1: that what you have done here is extraordinary because you're 451 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: showing the tapestry of America and how this crisis is 452 00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: upending the American dream and so what does that look 453 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,959 Speaker 1: like in generations to come? These are the questions that 454 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: our politicians, those representatives that we elect to represent our 455 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:20,159 Speaker 1: best values, not the best values of Wells Fargo and 456 00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 1: Navientt and you know and whomever, to do something about this. 457 00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:30,639 Speaker 1: So Blake, please tell people how they can watch Lone 458 00:28:30,640 --> 00:28:35,560 Speaker 1: Wolves where it is, because because everyone everyone should see this, 459 00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,920 Speaker 1: let me say before I tell you exactly where to 460 00:28:40,960 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: watch it. This is not all like a SOB story 461 00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 1: or boring. I went we try to make it funny. 462 00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: There's a lot of moments in there that are just silly, ridiculous. 463 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,560 Speaker 1: We show politicians looking insane, so you know, you can 464 00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: sit back, get your popcorn going. You're gonna have fun. 465 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,560 Speaker 1: Believe it or not. It's gonna be one of those 466 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,800 Speaker 1: movies where you learn stuff and you're mad at the 467 00:28:59,800 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 1: best guys, but you're also going to have some fun. 468 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:04,280 Speaker 1: You can watch it. It's streaming on Peacock right now. 469 00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: If you've got peacock super easy to just go ahead 470 00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,920 Speaker 1: and do it. Or it's going to be on MSNBC 471 00:29:10,120 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 1: this Saturday night, that is I believe, the seventeenth of 472 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: December at ten pm, the seventeenth of December Saturday night 473 00:29:18,040 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 1: ten pm on SNBC or streaming on Peacock. And Daniel 474 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:23,440 Speaker 1: thank you so much, not just for having me on, 475 00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 1: but really giving a spotlight to this issue because, like 476 00:29:25,880 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: you said, it's so important and it's affecting so many people. 477 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,280 Speaker 1: Thank you. I really appreciate you and this work and 478 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:41,760 Speaker 1: everyone check out Lone Wolves. That is it for me today, 479 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:45,880 Speaker 1: dear friends, on Woke a f as always Power to 480 00:29:45,960 --> 00:29:49,160 Speaker 1: the people and to all the people. Power, get woke 481 00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: and stay woke as fuck.