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Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Brief. In this episode,
Speaker 2: we're joined by our friend David Efoon. He is the
Speaker 2: publisher of the New York Son, which I recommend to
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Speaker 2: Thanks for being here. Let's dive into the situation right
Speaker 2: now of the multi day ceasefire hostage exchanges. Tell me
Speaker 2: what's going on with this Israel Hamas war as we
Speaker 2: sit here and we're as up to date as we
Speaker 2: can be.
Speaker 1: Well, you know, obviously following the horrendous, I mean unspeakable
Speaker 1: attack of October seventh, that's been a very obvious and
Speaker 1: clear shift in the Israeli mentality of the defense establishment,
Speaker 1: certainly across the nation, where you know, after years of
Speaker 1: thinking about dealing with some of its most dangerous enemy
Speaker 1: in terms of containment, now it's all about preemption and
Speaker 1: eliminating threats where they are. And obviously, first and foremost,
Speaker 1: the nation has turned its attention to the Hamas threat
Speaker 1: in the southwest of the country in Gaza, it took
Speaker 1: a little bit of time to get the strategy together,
Speaker 1: but they've gone in. Now they have Hamas against the
Speaker 1: ropes in avery in a very tough spot, which is
Speaker 1: exactly where they want them to be. And you know,
Speaker 1: as a product of that, you know, Harmas has really
Speaker 1: been begging for a ceasefire, if you will, and you
Speaker 1: can see that by the terms in which they have
Speaker 1: come to Israel, where they're now sort of taking the
Speaker 1: opportunity to release prisoners at a slow drip, release hostages
Speaker 1: sorry that they had seized from southern Israel, including a
Speaker 1: lot of women and children, mothers and grandmothers and grandfathers,
Speaker 1: in exchange for pauses in the fighting, which I think
Speaker 1: at this age Hamas sees as being an existential matter.
Speaker 1: So these Radis are concerned. You know, obviously, it's a
Speaker 1: democratic country. They answer to the people, including the families
Speaker 1: of the hostages, and even though this presents for them
Speaker 1: a military setback, they're prepared to allow it in order
Speaker 1: to be able to release as many of those innocent
Speaker 1: civilians as possible. And I think we'll we'll see this
Speaker 1: go for as long as Israel feels like it can
Speaker 1: bring back civilians out of harm's way, and then we're
Speaker 1: going to see all hell break loose again and the
Speaker 1: final and hopefully complete demolition of Hamas as a governing
Speaker 1: and military entity.
Speaker 2: Is their unity in Israel behind net and Yahoo on
Speaker 2: this mission to destroy Hamas as an entity in a
Speaker 2: way that there similarly was broad unity in the US
Speaker 2: after nine to eleven to destroy al Qaeda and finemin Laden.
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I mean, look, there is a huge amount of
Speaker 1: frustration with the government over how this was able to
Speaker 1: happen in the first place, and the response and this
Speaker 1: and that, and basically everybody who's in any kind of
Speaker 1: position of leadership or punishment or leadership or responsibility is
Speaker 1: going to be punished by the electorate. I mean, it's
Speaker 1: hard to see a way out of this. In the
Speaker 1: end of the day, the buck stops with Niahu and
Speaker 1: the military establishment, and you know they will pay the
Speaker 1: price for it eventually. In terms of the objectives of
Speaker 1: this war, you know, it's it's it's hard to sort
Speaker 1: of understate just how unified the country is. I mean,
Speaker 1: you do see a lot of international calls for a
Speaker 1: permanent ceasefire or you know, hopefully the ceasefire can be extended.
Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. You know, the folks
Speaker 1: who are saying things like that, talking about you know,
Speaker 1: I saw a BBC political correspondent talking about how Europreme
Speaker 1: pressure is going to be so much on Israel they
Speaker 1: won't be able to stay. The Israelis. Do not give
Speaker 1: a fake what the Belgians or the Spanish or the
Speaker 1: Irish chef to say. You know, this is about their security.
Speaker 1: It's ex ebstential. And you know, the Hummus has really
Speaker 1: sort of poked a sleeping bearness, sleeping giant. Any government
Speaker 1: leader or military leader who wants to slow down, you know,
Speaker 1: this goal of complete definition demolition of Hummus is going
Speaker 1: to get handed out of office.
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Speaker 2: gone so far in terms of the Israeli expectation of
Speaker 2: the resistance they would get from Hamas and the speed
Speaker 2: with which they would be able to roll up different
Speaker 2: elements of that terrorist entity. Is this more or less
Speaker 2: what was expected? Has it been tougher fighting? How would
Speaker 2: you assess that?
Speaker 1: Look, there were obviously major military failures that led to
Speaker 1: the attack itself, but ever since that point, the Israelis
Speaker 1: have fought like lions and brilliantly and have been incredibly effective.
Speaker 1: You know, the last time they went into Gaza was
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, and you know, casualties were a lot higher
Speaker 1: than they than they would have liked. I mean, obviously
Speaker 1: they don't want any casualties, but higher than they would
Speaker 1: have liked and higher than they expected. See, the Israelis
Speaker 1: have had about nine years to think and plan and
Speaker 1: strategize and build technologies that are specifically designed for exactly
Speaker 1: this theater of combat. And you can see now they've
Speaker 1: learned a great deal and they put in who act
Speaker 1: into into action. And no, I don't know how much
Speaker 1: time we have. Obviously there's a lot you can go into.
Speaker 1: But one example is and not a lot of people
Speaker 1: know this. The Iron Dome missile defense system is quite
Speaker 1: famous for intercepting every single that's rarely armored vehicle, including
Speaker 1: the America of Ar four BARAQ tanks that came into
Speaker 1: operation earlier this year and the NAMA APCs that are
Speaker 1: the two main vehicles that Israel is operating in the
Speaker 1: Gars of Strip. Every single one of them is fit
Speaker 1: is fitted with a mini iron Dome system, you know,
Speaker 1: the joint jointly developed with the Americans. Americans call it
Speaker 1: the Trophy system, and it's on many ABRAMS tanks as well.
Speaker 1: The Israelis called it the Windbreaker, but it intercepts RPGs
Speaker 1: and other projectiles and that's saved you know, countless lives,
Speaker 1: you know, in the Gars of Strip. But on top
Speaker 1: of that, I mean just the most advanced technologies. You know,
Speaker 1: some of these tanks have three hundred and sixty degree
Speaker 1: digital ai a I inspired and optimized battlefield management systems.
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, really smart, sophisticated stuff. And at
Speaker 1: the same time, I think what the Israelis have realized
Speaker 1: and in this they've sort of taken a page out
Speaker 1: of Alexander the Great Book, and you know, They've used
Speaker 1: quite a few battle strategies that were made popular by
Speaker 1: Alexander the Great and had studied at West Point, at
Speaker 1: San Jas and other military colleges. You know. One of
Speaker 1: them was this idea divide Gaza into and go straight
Speaker 1: for the command center. That was a a strategy Alexander
Speaker 1: deployed against the Persians Derias. But the other one is
Speaker 1: that they understand that Hamas needs to be on all
Speaker 1: the time and they can take their time to a taxi.
Speaker 1: You see, had this three week pause at the beginning
Speaker 1: where Hamas needed to be on twenty four hours a day.
Speaker 1: Israel was sort of resting its troops, you know, taking
Speaker 1: the time to get its forces and battle strategy in place,
Speaker 1: but at the same time depleting Hamas Amasa's reserves. So
Speaker 1: now you know, because Israel has let a lot of
Speaker 1: supplies in due to this deal, the hostage deal, so
Speaker 1: you may see that they again sort of go back
Speaker 1: to the siege, take their time to let Hamas reserves deplete,
Speaker 1: and then you know, strike again with full force. You know,
Speaker 1: shortly after.
Speaker 2: That, David, when we look at the end goal here
Speaker 2: in Gaza, what do what do you think that will
Speaker 2: be meaning we know that success is the destruction of Hamas.
Speaker 2: What comes after Hamas in Gaza? Who's in charge? Who
Speaker 2: runs this place? Or what does it look like? What happens?
Speaker 1: Look I had a piece about this in Thermals Street
Speaker 1: Journal a couple of weeks ago. I was there in
Speaker 1: two thousand and five when Israel with forcefully Withdrewid citizens
Speaker 1: in the Gaza strip. I saw it first hand. I
Speaker 1: heard what people were saying at the time. Israeli's wanted
Speaker 1: to give it a shot. I mean, Israeli people are
Speaker 1: desperate for peace, They're desperate to give piece of chance.
Speaker 1: And you know, there was certainly a case to be
Speaker 1: made that you know, this would create a new opportunity
Speaker 1: for Palestinians. You know, they left a lot of economic infrastructure,
Speaker 1: their agricultural infrastructure, greenhouses, you know, and it was all destroyed.
Speaker 1: Her must took over within a couple of years. And
Speaker 1: now this is the fifth war against Israel that they
Speaker 1: that they've launched, you know, not to mention, you know,
Speaker 1: tens of thousands of missiles. So the Israelis have learned
Speaker 1: their lesson. You know, they cannot risk the possibility that
Speaker 1: this goes back to what it had become. You know,
Speaker 1: people have spoken about putting the pasting and authority in charge.
Speaker 1: Well we tried that before and Hamas knocked them out
Speaker 1: soon after. I don't think the areas are going to
Speaker 1: rely on international forces. You know, international forces are pretty
Speaker 1: much as good. You know, it's useful. You know, they're
Speaker 1: useful until basically a gun is pointed at them and
Speaker 1: then they run. We've seen that happen many times in
Speaker 1: the past. So the only option, the way that I
Speaker 1: see it now that Israelis consider is as rarely control
Speaker 1: of the Strip, and you know they're not new to
Speaker 1: it as well, control the Strip since ninety sixty seven.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it was you know, they allowed certain degrees of
Speaker 1: autonomy or self governance, you know, but non military and
Speaker 1: obviously controlling the borders. But you know, I don't see
Speaker 1: that the Israelis will allow anything else at this point.
Speaker 1: You know, that's what you're going to see for the
Speaker 1: foreseeable future, until some viable alternative becomes available. There certainly
Speaker 1: isn't one right now.
Speaker 2: David, I want to ask you about this Washington Post
Speaker 2: report from over the weekend that Biden a few weeks
Speaker 2: back was behind closed doors apologizing to Muslim leaders in
Speaker 2: the US. So we're going to dive into the politics
Speaker 2: of this. In just a second, we're speaking to Dovidafoon,
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Speaker 2: All right, David, why would Biden feel the need to
Speaker 2: apologize to Muslim American leaders behind closed doors at the
Speaker 2: White House for overly doubting Hamas based casualty figures.
Speaker 1: Look, Biden's a politician, and a pretty slimmy one at that.
Speaker 1: And this is what Simi. Politicians do. You know, they
Speaker 1: speak out of the two sides of their mouths. They
Speaker 1: say to their audiences what they think their audiences are
Speaker 1: going to want to hear. And you know, I wouldn't
Speaker 1: be surprised that this is exactly what is that play
Speaker 1: over here. You know, the question of civilian casualties in
Speaker 1: Garza is a big question because effectively it's the most
Speaker 1: potent tool that Hamas has against Israel right now. You know,
Speaker 1: claim that the damage is so enormous, so disapprotionate, that
Speaker 1: the humanitarian disaster is so extreme beyond anything that any
Speaker 1: Western country has ever done before to protect its citizens
Speaker 1: and try and externally induce a degree of international pressure
Speaker 1: that forces Israel into halting its campaign against Hamas and Gaza.
Speaker 1: This is their strategy, it's their only game, it's their
Speaker 1: only advantage. What's shocking is just how many supposedly you know,
Speaker 1: let's say, clear thinking or or or or at least
Speaker 1: you know, entities that are supposed to be responsible, are
Speaker 1: just swallowing this Humas propaganda hook line and sinker. And
Speaker 1: you're talking about yes, international world leaders from a lot
Speaker 1: of different countries, international organizations, supposed to human rights groups,
Speaker 1: age scroups, journalists, celebrities. I mean, god, you've got to
Speaker 1: see what Hollywood has come up with. But in the
Speaker 1: end of the day, this is just Hamas propaganda. There
Speaker 1: is no and I mean none is zero, none at
Speaker 1: all verification for these numbers. There's no source for these
Speaker 1: numbers outside of Hamas. And you know, the New York
Speaker 1: Times has put together this, you know, extensive article over
Speaker 1: the weekend, which you know, uses all kinds of smoke
Speaker 1: and mirrors to try and lead the reason reader to
Speaker 1: believe that they have any more information. But of the day,
Speaker 1: they just don't. And there are some very obvious questions
Speaker 1: that need to be asked about these numbers, and nobody
Speaker 1: nobody that I've seen in the Western press that the
Speaker 1: big newspapers of record are asking these very obvious questions.
Speaker 1: And you know, the question. I can go through some
Speaker 1: of them if we have time for that, but the
Speaker 1: question of why is a big one that a lot
Speaker 1: of people are wondering. And you know, it explains why
Speaker 1: distrust in news publications in America today is at historic loads,
Speaker 1: and it's just being reinforced at a moment like this
Speaker 1: when there are obvious truths, obvious questions that are being
Speaker 1: so brazenly and blatantly ignored, you know, in the service
Speaker 1: of a certain narrative, in a certain perspective, which those
Speaker 1: publications of record favor.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's what you mentioned, the so called
Speaker 2: publications of record, dovid and for the left and the
Speaker 2: political elite in this country, those would generally be New
Speaker 2: York Times, Washington Post, and a handful of others. And
Speaker 2: what we've seen is an effort on their on their
Speaker 2: side to be I guess they would call it even
Speaker 2: handed when it comes to believing, say, Israeli government information
Speaker 2: and believing Hamas provided information. What's interesting to me is,
Speaker 2: I remember during the Trump administration, the Washington Post The
Speaker 2: New York Times, both from the newsroom as well as
Speaker 2: the editorial page, openly saying that what we have to
Speaker 2: be effectively anti Trump, because to be for the truth
Speaker 2: is to be anti Trump. Well, I mean it would
Speaker 2: seem that Hamas would certainly fall in the category of
Speaker 2: maybe the truth isn't on their side either, folks.
Speaker 1: Well, that's that's exactly right, and it's the reason why
Speaker 1: the trust of these publications, you know, really that really
Speaker 1: is in the toilet. I mean, there are so many
Speaker 1: dis solvious questions. I mean, I must puts out numbers.
Speaker 1: It makes no distinction between civilians and terrorists that would
Speaker 1: kill I mean, is the New York Times even going
Speaker 1: to ask, you know, how many of these deaths were
Speaker 1: militants versus citizens, I mean, as civilians. Beyond that, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just you know, I interviewed some folks who were
Speaker 1: involved in processing the bodies that were brought in, you know,
Speaker 1: after the terror attack that I must committed against Israels
Speaker 1: in southern Israel. They were brought to a central base
Speaker 1: in Ramla Shura base it's called it's run by the
Speaker 1: IDs chief Rabbinet, and you know, they had a morgue
Speaker 1: that contained that space about two hundred bodies, so you know,
Speaker 1: twelve hundred victims. They had to bring in ten shipping
Speaker 1: containers shipping containers just to hold the bodies for processing. Right,
Speaker 1: and here you have claims that ten, eleven, twelve times
Speaker 1: the amount dead of victims of bodies you know, are
Speaker 1: in Gaza, and Israel is responsible for it. Has anybody
Speaker 1: seen has anybody seen a morgue where the bodies are stored?
Speaker 1: Has anybody seen the graves? I mean, we've seen some
Speaker 1: pictures of maybe a couple of dozen or one hundred
Speaker 1: bodies being buried in a mass grave, But I mean,
Speaker 1: these numbers are so enormous, you know, it's impossible that
Speaker 1: if they exist, there shouldn't be some visualization of them
Speaker 1: that the world press and international bodies or human rights
Speaker 1: groups or the New York Times can gain access to.
Speaker 1: And if they're not asking these questions, you know, it's
Speaker 1: clear that they don't have an interest in the truth.
Speaker 2: That would seem to be where we are with some
Speaker 2: of these entities that they perhaps they view their obligation
Speaker 2: to take the side of the so called victimized. In
Speaker 2: the case of Palestinians, they somehow the victimization of is
Speaker 2: really Jews doesn't factor into this equation for them, But
Speaker 2: they're willing to excuse so much and even lie about
Speaker 2: things in order to take aside in this Dovid speaking
Speaker 2: of excusing abhorrent and the inexcusable atrocities the college campus
Speaker 2: stuff that we've seen in terms of support for the Palestinians,
Speaker 2: I want to ask your opinion on this, and basically
Speaker 2: we'll come to this in a moment. Are you surprised
Speaker 2: or did you expect this kind of a reaction to
Speaker 2: what we see going on over there on US campuses.
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Speaker 2: college campus pro Palestinian thing where there they got kids
Speaker 2: chanting from the river to the sea and all this stuff.
Speaker 2: I've known there's been this affinity on campuses for the
Speaker 2: Palestinian cause, the same way that you have idiots walking
Speaker 2: around who are you know, big supporters of like climate
Speaker 2: change and the LGBTQ plus agenda with Chay Gavara shirts on.
Speaker 2: You know, they maybe just don't know, they're deeply ignorant,
Speaker 2: and so they think that Jay Gavar, the Communists would
Speaker 2: have somehow been their friend. But with the Palestinian issue,
Speaker 2: I mean, after the mass terror attack against Israelis, for
Speaker 2: college kids to be walking around so desperately supporting Hamas,
Speaker 2: surprised when you see this expected and how did this happen?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not surprised. And you know, there are sort
Speaker 1: of ideological underpinnings frankly that run you know, from from
Speaker 1: Hamas in Gaza, you know, straight to the center of
Speaker 1: our most elite college campuses. And you know, if you
Speaker 1: have to sort of put a finger on it, you
Speaker 1: know what it boils down to is, you know, whether
Speaker 1: you sort of view the world through the lens of
Speaker 1: victim victim hood victims and oppressors, of course, or you know,
Speaker 1: through through the lens of of you know, responsibility, right,
Speaker 1: the culture of victimhod and the culture of responsibility in
Speaker 1: the end of the day, the American way, the Israeli whey,
Speaker 1: certainly the Judeo Christian way is a culture of responsibility.
Speaker 1: It means building a better future. The culture of victimhood,
Speaker 1: which says, you know, the whole world is the divided
Speaker 1: into victims and oppressors. It's obviously prelevant, im prevalent in
Speaker 1: Palestinian society and also prevalent on American college campuses that
Speaker 1: you know, you don't have responsibility for your own future.
Speaker 1: You can't do anything about and you can't do anything
Speaker 1: about it. It's just about finding somebody to blame and
Speaker 1: and you know, tearing them down effectively. And it's interesting,
Speaker 1: you know, to look at the dynamic. You know, we've
Speaker 1: heard this from a lot of folks, even frankly from
Speaker 1: I saw the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs
Speaker 1: in the United States, this idea that terrorism is a
Speaker 1: product of hardship, it's a product of persecution, it's a
Speaker 1: product difficulty. I mean, you know this from from your background.
Speaker 1: I mean, someone in Laden was a wealthy guy. You know,
Speaker 1: he came from from an affluent everyone background. I mean,
Speaker 1: and you know, if you compare sort of the response
Speaker 1: that the Palestinians have had, you know, nationally, to the
Speaker 1: hardship that they've been through to you know, the hardship
Speaker 1: for example, that Jews who were sort of persecuted in
Speaker 1: Arab countries and were forced into Israel. You know, it's
Speaker 1: a very very different mentality. You know, I don't see
Speaker 1: Holocaust survivors going and blowing themselves up, you know, massacring
Speaker 1: or raping German women for example. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a mindset and it runs, it's a cultural mindset and
Speaker 1: it runs, you know, straight from Gaza, you know, to
Speaker 1: the center of American college campuses. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say that every individual Palestinian holds holds these views. I mean,
Speaker 1: there are a lot of Palestinians who want a better future, who,
Speaker 1: if you gave them a choice, would rather live in
Speaker 1: Israel and become part of a free society. You're seeing
Speaker 1: a ton of Palestinians now in the Gaza strip, now
Speaker 1: that Hamasa's stranglehold on the strip is weakening. Talking about
Speaker 1: you know, how terrible Hamas is. But you know, there
Speaker 1: is certainly an overarching theme that is taught in the
Speaker 1: Palestinian institutions that mirrors almost precisely the theme that is
Speaker 1: taught you know, in sort of the woke you know,
Speaker 1: anti racism. If you want to call it tradition on
Speaker 1: American college campuses. So you know, in that sense there's
Speaker 1: a very strong thread that ties them together and there
Speaker 1: should be no surprises at all that you know. This
Speaker 1: message is resonating, you know, from the middle of Gaza
Speaker 1: to the middle of Harvard.
Speaker 2: You know, David Ifoo and everybody. David's the publisher of
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Speaker 2: this pause in the Gaza conflict is allowed to turn
Speaker 2: into a durable ceasefire, it would be a decisive defeat
Speaker 2: for Israel. That's by Conrad Black. Great stuff up at
Speaker 2: the New York Son, David, appreciate you being with me,
Speaker 2: my friend.
Speaker 1: Good to see you. Always a pleasure book.
Speaker 2: All right, that was great man, Thanks so much. I'll
Speaker 2: let you know what it's out, probably be tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Fantastic. Thank you. Rich out that in Florida.
Speaker 2: Florida's good, man, Florida's good. Do you ever make it
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Speaker 1: I think we can have an upbassl party. Actually, but
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