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<v Speaker 2>Hey, everybody, Welcome to the Buck Brief. In this episode,

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<v Speaker 2>we're joined by our friend David Efoon. He is the

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<v Speaker 2>publisher of the New York Son, which I recommend to

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<v Speaker 2>Thanks for being here. Let's dive into the situation right

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<v Speaker 2>now of the multi day ceasefire hostage exchanges. Tell me

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<v Speaker 2>what's going on with this Israel Hamas war as we

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<v Speaker 2>sit here and we're as up to date as we

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<v Speaker 2>can be.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, you know, obviously following the horrendous, I mean unspeakable

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<v Speaker 1>attack of October seventh, that's been a very obvious and

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<v Speaker 1>clear shift in the Israeli mentality of the defense establishment,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly across the nation, where you know, after years of

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about dealing with some of its most dangerous enemy

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<v Speaker 1>in terms of containment, now it's all about preemption and

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<v Speaker 1>eliminating threats where they are. And obviously, first and foremost,

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<v Speaker 1>the nation has turned its attention to the Hamas threat

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<v Speaker 1>in the southwest of the country in Gaza, it took

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of time to get the strategy together,

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<v Speaker 1>but they've gone in. Now they have Hamas against the

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<v Speaker 1>ropes in avery in a very tough spot, which is

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<v Speaker 1>exactly where they want them to be. And you know,

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<v Speaker 1>as a product of that, you know, Harmas has really

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<v Speaker 1>been begging for a ceasefire, if you will, and you

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<v Speaker 1>can see that by the terms in which they have

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<v Speaker 1>come to Israel, where they're now sort of taking the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to release prisoners at a slow drip, release hostages

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<v Speaker 1>sorry that they had seized from southern Israel, including a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of women and children, mothers and grandmothers and grandfathers,

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<v Speaker 1>in exchange for pauses in the fighting, which I think

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<v Speaker 1>at this age Hamas sees as being an existential matter.

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<v Speaker 1>So these Radis are concerned. You know, obviously, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>democratic country. They answer to the people, including the families

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<v Speaker 1>of the hostages, and even though this presents for them

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<v Speaker 1>a military setback, they're prepared to allow it in order

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to release as many of those innocent

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<v Speaker 1>civilians as possible. And I think we'll we'll see this

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<v Speaker 1>go for as long as Israel feels like it can

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<v Speaker 1>bring back civilians out of harm's way, and then we're

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<v Speaker 1>going to see all hell break loose again and the

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<v Speaker 1>final and hopefully complete demolition of Hamas as a governing

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<v Speaker 1>and military entity.

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<v Speaker 2>Is their unity in Israel behind net and Yahoo on

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<v Speaker 2>this mission to destroy Hamas as an entity in a

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<v Speaker 2>way that there similarly was broad unity in the US

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<v Speaker 2>after nine to eleven to destroy al Qaeda and finemin Laden.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely. I mean, look, there is a huge amount of

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<v Speaker 1>frustration with the government over how this was able to

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<v Speaker 1>happen in the first place, and the response and this

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<v Speaker 1>and that, and basically everybody who's in any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>position of leadership or punishment or leadership or responsibility is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be punished by the electorate. I mean, it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard to see a way out of this. In the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, the buck stops with Niahu and

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<v Speaker 1>the military establishment, and you know they will pay the

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<v Speaker 1>price for it eventually. In terms of the objectives of

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<v Speaker 1>this war, you know, it's it's it's hard to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of understate just how unified the country is. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>you do see a lot of international calls for a

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<v Speaker 1>permanent ceasefire or you know, hopefully the ceasefire can be extended.

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<v Speaker 1>It's just not going to happen. You know, the folks

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<v Speaker 1>who are saying things like that, talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>I saw a BBC political correspondent talking about how Europreme

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<v Speaker 1>pressure is going to be so much on Israel they

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<v Speaker 1>won't be able to stay. The Israelis. Do not give

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<v Speaker 1>a fake what the Belgians or the Spanish or the

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<v Speaker 1>Irish chef to say. You know, this is about their security.

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<v Speaker 1>It's ex ebstential. And you know, the Hummus has really

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<v Speaker 1>sort of poked a sleeping bearness, sleeping giant. Any government

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<v Speaker 1>leader or military leader who wants to slow down, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>this goal of complete definition demolition of Hummus is going

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<v Speaker 2>gone so far in terms of the Israeli expectation of

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<v Speaker 2>the resistance they would get from Hamas and the speed

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<v Speaker 2>with which they would be able to roll up different

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<v Speaker 2>elements of that terrorist entity. Is this more or less

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<v Speaker 2>what was expected? Has it been tougher fighting? How would

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<v Speaker 2>you assess that?

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<v Speaker 1>Look, there were obviously major military failures that led to

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<v Speaker 1>the attack itself, but ever since that point, the Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>have fought like lions and brilliantly and have been incredibly effective.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, the last time they went into Gaza was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen, and you know, casualties were a lot higher

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<v Speaker 1>than they than they would have liked. I mean, obviously

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<v Speaker 1>they don't want any casualties, but higher than they would

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<v Speaker 1>have liked and higher than they expected. See, the Israelis

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<v Speaker 1>have had about nine years to think and plan and

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<v Speaker 1>strategize and build technologies that are specifically designed for exactly

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<v Speaker 1>this theater of combat. And you can see now they've

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<v Speaker 1>learned a great deal and they put in who act

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<v Speaker 1>into into action. And no, I don't know how much

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<v Speaker 1>time we have. Obviously there's a lot you can go into.

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<v Speaker 1>But one example is and not a lot of people

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<v Speaker 1>know this. The Iron Dome missile defense system is quite

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<v Speaker 1>famous for intercepting every single that's rarely armored vehicle, including

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<v Speaker 1>the America of Ar four BARAQ tanks that came into

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<v Speaker 1>operation earlier this year and the NAMA APCs that are

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<v Speaker 1>the two main vehicles that Israel is operating in the

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<v Speaker 1>Gars of Strip. Every single one of them is fit

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<v Speaker 1>is fitted with a mini iron Dome system, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>the joint jointly developed with the Americans. Americans call it

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<v Speaker 1>the Trophy system, and it's on many ABRAMS tanks as well.

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<v Speaker 1>The Israelis called it the Windbreaker, but it intercepts RPGs

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<v Speaker 1>and other projectiles and that's saved you know, countless lives,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, in the Gars of Strip. But on top

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<v Speaker 1>of that, I mean just the most advanced technologies. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of these tanks have three hundred and sixty degree

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<v Speaker 1>digital ai a I inspired and optimized battlefield management systems.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, you know, really smart, sophisticated stuff. And at

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<v Speaker 1>the same time, I think what the Israelis have realized

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<v Speaker 1>and in this they've sort of taken a page out

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<v Speaker 1>of Alexander the Great Book, and you know, They've used

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<v Speaker 1>quite a few battle strategies that were made popular by

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<v Speaker 1>Alexander the Great and had studied at West Point, at

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<v Speaker 1>San Jas and other military colleges. You know. One of

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<v Speaker 1>them was this idea divide Gaza into and go straight

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<v Speaker 1>for the command center. That was a a strategy Alexander

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<v Speaker 1>deployed against the Persians Derias. But the other one is

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<v Speaker 1>that they understand that Hamas needs to be on all

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<v Speaker 1>the time and they can take their time to a taxi.

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<v Speaker 1>You see, had this three week pause at the beginning

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<v Speaker 1>where Hamas needed to be on twenty four hours a day.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel was sort of resting its troops, you know, taking

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<v Speaker 1>the time to get its forces and battle strategy in place,

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<v Speaker 1>but at the same time depleting Hamas Amasa's reserves. So

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<v Speaker 1>now you know, because Israel has let a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>supplies in due to this deal, the hostage deal, so

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<v Speaker 1>you may see that they again sort of go back

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<v Speaker 1>to the siege, take their time to let Hamas reserves deplete,

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<v Speaker 1>and then you know, strike again with full force. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>shortly after.

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<v Speaker 2>That, David, when we look at the end goal here

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<v Speaker 2>in Gaza, what do what do you think that will

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<v Speaker 2>be meaning we know that success is the destruction of Hamas.

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<v Speaker 2>What comes after Hamas in Gaza? Who's in charge? Who

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<v Speaker 2>runs this place? Or what does it look like? What happens?

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<v Speaker 1>Look I had a piece about this in Thermals Street

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<v Speaker 1>Journal a couple of weeks ago. I was there in

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<v Speaker 1>two thousand and five when Israel with forcefully Withdrewid citizens

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<v Speaker 1>in the Gaza strip. I saw it first hand. I

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<v Speaker 1>heard what people were saying at the time. Israeli's wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to give it a shot. I mean, Israeli people are

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<v Speaker 1>desperate for peace, They're desperate to give piece of chance.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, there was certainly a case to be

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<v Speaker 1>made that you know, this would create a new opportunity

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<v Speaker 1>for Palestinians. You know, they left a lot of economic infrastructure,

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<v Speaker 1>their agricultural infrastructure, greenhouses, you know, and it was all destroyed.

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<v Speaker 1>Her must took over within a couple of years. And

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<v Speaker 1>now this is the fifth war against Israel that they

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<v Speaker 1>that they've launched, you know, not to mention, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>tens of thousands of missiles. So the Israelis have learned

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<v Speaker 1>their lesson. You know, they cannot risk the possibility that

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<v Speaker 1>this goes back to what it had become. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people have spoken about putting the pasting and authority in charge.

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<v Speaker 1>Well we tried that before and Hamas knocked them out

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<v Speaker 1>soon after. I don't think the areas are going to

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<v Speaker 1>rely on international forces. You know, international forces are pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much as good. You know, it's useful. You know, they're

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<v Speaker 1>useful until basically a gun is pointed at them and

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<v Speaker 1>then they run. We've seen that happen many times in

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<v Speaker 1>the past. So the only option, the way that I

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<v Speaker 1>see it now that Israelis consider is as rarely control

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<v Speaker 1>of the Strip, and you know they're not new to

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<v Speaker 1>it as well, control the Strip since ninety sixty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes it was you know, they allowed certain degrees of

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<v Speaker 1>autonomy or self governance, you know, but non military and

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<v Speaker 1>obviously controlling the borders. But you know, I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>that the Israelis will allow anything else at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's what you're going to see for the

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<v Speaker 1>foreseeable future, until some viable alternative becomes available. There certainly

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<v Speaker 1>isn't one right now.

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<v Speaker 2>David, I want to ask you about this Washington Post

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<v Speaker 2>report from over the weekend that Biden a few weeks

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<v Speaker 2>back was behind closed doors apologizing to Muslim leaders in

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<v Speaker 2>the US. So we're going to dive into the politics

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<v Speaker 2>of this. In just a second, we're speaking to Dovidafoon,

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<v Speaker 2>All right, David, why would Biden feel the need to

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<v Speaker 2>apologize to Muslim American leaders behind closed doors at the

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<v Speaker 2>White House for overly doubting Hamas based casualty figures.

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<v Speaker 1>Look, Biden's a politician, and a pretty slimmy one at that.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is what Simi. Politicians do. You know, they

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<v Speaker 1>speak out of the two sides of their mouths. They

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<v Speaker 1>say to their audiences what they think their audiences are

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<v Speaker 1>going to want to hear. And you know, I wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>be surprised that this is exactly what is that play

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<v Speaker 1>over here. You know, the question of civilian casualties in

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<v Speaker 1>Garza is a big question because effectively it's the most

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<v Speaker 1>potent tool that Hamas has against Israel right now. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>claim that the damage is so enormous, so disapprotionate, that

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<v Speaker 1>the humanitarian disaster is so extreme beyond anything that any

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<v Speaker 1>Western country has ever done before to protect its citizens

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<v Speaker 1>and try and externally induce a degree of international pressure

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<v Speaker 1>that forces Israel into halting its campaign against Hamas and Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>This is their strategy, it's their only game, it's their

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<v Speaker 1>only advantage. What's shocking is just how many supposedly you know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's say, clear thinking or or or or at least

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<v Speaker 1>you know, entities that are supposed to be responsible, are

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<v Speaker 1>just swallowing this Humas propaganda hook line and sinker. And

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking about yes, international world leaders from a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of different countries, international organizations, supposed to human rights groups,

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<v Speaker 1>age scroups, journalists, celebrities. I mean, god, you've got to

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<v Speaker 1>see what Hollywood has come up with. But in the

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<v Speaker 1>end of the day, this is just Hamas propaganda. There

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<v Speaker 1>is no and I mean none is zero, none at

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<v Speaker 1>all verification for these numbers. There's no source for these

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<v Speaker 1>numbers outside of Hamas. And you know, the New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times has put together this, you know, extensive article over

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<v Speaker 1>the weekend, which you know, uses all kinds of smoke

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<v Speaker 1>and mirrors to try and lead the reason reader to

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<v Speaker 1>believe that they have any more information. But of the day,

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<v Speaker 1>they just don't. And there are some very obvious questions

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<v Speaker 1>that need to be asked about these numbers, and nobody

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<v Speaker 1>nobody that I've seen in the Western press that the

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<v Speaker 1>big newspapers of record are asking these very obvious questions.

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<v Speaker 1>And you know, the question. I can go through some

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<v Speaker 1>of them if we have time for that, but the

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<v Speaker 1>question of why is a big one that a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people are wondering. And you know, it explains why

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<v Speaker 1>distrust in news publications in America today is at historic loads,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's just being reinforced at a moment like this

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<v Speaker 1>when there are obvious truths, obvious questions that are being

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<v Speaker 1>so brazenly and blatantly ignored, you know, in the service

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<v Speaker 1>of a certain narrative, in a certain perspective, which those

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<v Speaker 1>publications of record favor.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, you know, it's what you mentioned, the so called

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<v Speaker 2>publications of record, dovid and for the left and the

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<v Speaker 2>political elite in this country, those would generally be New

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<v Speaker 2>York Times, Washington Post, and a handful of others. And

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<v Speaker 2>what we've seen is an effort on their on their

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<v Speaker 2>side to be I guess they would call it even

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<v Speaker 2>handed when it comes to believing, say, Israeli government information

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<v Speaker 2>and believing Hamas provided information. What's interesting to me is,

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<v Speaker 2>I remember during the Trump administration, the Washington Post The

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<v Speaker 2>New York Times, both from the newsroom as well as

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<v Speaker 2>the editorial page, openly saying that what we have to

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<v Speaker 2>be effectively anti Trump, because to be for the truth

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<v Speaker 2>is to be anti Trump. Well, I mean it would

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<v Speaker 2>seem that Hamas would certainly fall in the category of

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<v Speaker 2>maybe the truth isn't on their side either, folks.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's that's exactly right, and it's the reason why

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<v Speaker 1>the trust of these publications, you know, really that really

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<v Speaker 1>is in the toilet. I mean, there are so many

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<v Speaker 1>dis solvious questions. I mean, I must puts out numbers.

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<v Speaker 1>It makes no distinction between civilians and terrorists that would

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<v Speaker 1>kill I mean, is the New York Times even going

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<v Speaker 1>to ask, you know, how many of these deaths were

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<v Speaker 1>militants versus citizens, I mean, as civilians. Beyond that, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just you know, I interviewed some folks who were

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<v Speaker 1>involved in processing the bodies that were brought in, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after the terror attack that I must committed against Israels

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<v Speaker 1>in southern Israel. They were brought to a central base

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<v Speaker 1>in Ramla Shura base it's called it's run by the

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<v Speaker 1>IDs chief Rabbinet, and you know, they had a morgue

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<v Speaker 1>that contained that space about two hundred bodies, so you know,

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<v Speaker 1>twelve hundred victims. They had to bring in ten shipping

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<v Speaker 1>containers shipping containers just to hold the bodies for processing. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>and here you have claims that ten, eleven, twelve times

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<v Speaker 1>the amount dead of victims of bodies you know, are

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<v Speaker 1>in Gaza, and Israel is responsible for it. Has anybody

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<v Speaker 1>seen has anybody seen a morgue where the bodies are stored?

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<v Speaker 1>Has anybody seen the graves? I mean, we've seen some

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<v Speaker 1>pictures of maybe a couple of dozen or one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>bodies being buried in a mass grave, But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>these numbers are so enormous, you know, it's impossible that

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<v Speaker 1>if they exist, there shouldn't be some visualization of them

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<v Speaker 1>that the world press and international bodies or human rights

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<v Speaker 1>groups or the New York Times can gain access to.

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<v Speaker 1>And if they're not asking these questions, you know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>clear that they don't have an interest in the truth.

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<v Speaker 2>That would seem to be where we are with some

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<v Speaker 2>of these entities that they perhaps they view their obligation

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<v Speaker 2>to take the side of the so called victimized. In

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<v Speaker 2>the case of Palestinians, they somehow the victimization of is

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<v Speaker 2>really Jews doesn't factor into this equation for them, But

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<v Speaker 2>they're willing to excuse so much and even lie about

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<v Speaker 2>things in order to take aside in this Dovid speaking

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<v Speaker 2>of excusing abhorrent and the inexcusable atrocities the college campus

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<v Speaker 2>stuff that we've seen in terms of support for the Palestinians,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to ask your opinion on this, and basically

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<v Speaker 2>college campus pro Palestinian thing where there they got kids

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<v Speaker 2>chanting from the river to the sea and all this stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>I've known there's been this affinity on campuses for the

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<v Speaker 2>Palestinian cause, the same way that you have idiots walking

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<v Speaker 2>around who are you know, big supporters of like climate

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<v Speaker 2>change and the LGBTQ plus agenda with Chay Gavara shirts on.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, they maybe just don't know, they're deeply ignorant,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they think that Jay Gavar, the Communists would

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<v Speaker 2>have somehow been their friend. But with the Palestinian issue,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, after the mass terror attack against Israelis, for

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<v Speaker 2>college kids to be walking around so desperately supporting Hamas,

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<v Speaker 2>surprised when you see this expected and how did this happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm not surprised. And you know, there are sort

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<v Speaker 1>of ideological underpinnings frankly that run you know, from from

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<v Speaker 1>Hamas in Gaza, you know, straight to the center of

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<v Speaker 1>our most elite college campuses. And you know, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have to sort of put a finger on it, you

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<v Speaker 1>know what it boils down to is, you know, whether

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<v Speaker 1>you sort of view the world through the lens of

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<v Speaker 1>victim victim hood victims and oppressors, of course, or you know,

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<v Speaker 1>through through the lens of of you know, responsibility, right,

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<v Speaker 1>the culture of victimhod and the culture of responsibility in

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<v Speaker 1>the end of the day, the American way, the Israeli whey,

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<v Speaker 1>certainly the Judeo Christian way is a culture of responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>It means building a better future. The culture of victimhood,

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<v Speaker 1>which says, you know, the whole world is the divided

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<v Speaker 1>into victims and oppressors. It's obviously prelevant, im prevalent in

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian society and also prevalent on American college campuses that

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you don't have responsibility for your own future.

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<v Speaker 1>You can't do anything about and you can't do anything

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<v Speaker 1>about it. It's just about finding somebody to blame and

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, tearing them down effectively. And it's interesting,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, to look at the dynamic. You know, we've

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<v Speaker 1>heard this from a lot of folks, even frankly from

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<v Speaker 1>I saw the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staffs

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<v Speaker 1>in the United States, this idea that terrorism is a

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<v Speaker 1>product of hardship, it's a product of persecution, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>product difficulty. I mean, you know this from from your background.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, someone in Laden was a wealthy guy. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>he came from from an affluent everyone background. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>and you know, if you compare sort of the response

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<v Speaker 1>that the Palestinians have had, you know, nationally, to the

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<v Speaker 1>hardship that they've been through to you know, the hardship

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<v Speaker 1>for example, that Jews who were sort of persecuted in

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<v Speaker 1>Arab countries and were forced into Israel. You know, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very very different mentality. You know, I don't see

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<v Speaker 1>Holocaust survivors going and blowing themselves up, you know, massacring

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<v Speaker 1>or raping German women for example. You know, it's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a mindset and it runs, it's a cultural mindset and

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<v Speaker 1>it runs, you know, straight from Gaza, you know, to

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<v Speaker 1>the center of American college campuses. I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>say that every individual Palestinian holds holds these views. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>there are a lot of Palestinians who want a better future, who,

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<v Speaker 1>if you gave them a choice, would rather live in

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<v Speaker 1>Israel and become part of a free society. You're seeing

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<v Speaker 1>a ton of Palestinians now in the Gaza strip, now

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<v Speaker 1>that Hamasa's stranglehold on the strip is weakening. Talking about

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<v Speaker 1>you know, how terrible Hamas is. But you know, there

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<v Speaker 1>is certainly an overarching theme that is taught in the

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<v Speaker 1>Palestinian institutions that mirrors almost precisely the theme that is

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<v Speaker 1>taught you know, in sort of the woke you know,

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<v Speaker 1>anti racism. If you want to call it tradition on

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<v Speaker 1>American college campuses. So you know, in that sense there's

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<v Speaker 1>a very strong thread that ties them together and there

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<v Speaker 1>should be no surprises at all that you know. This

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<v Speaker 1>message is resonating, you know, from the middle of Gaza

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<v Speaker 1>to the middle of Harvard.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, David Ifoo and everybody. David's the publisher of

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<v Speaker 2>New York Sun. Go to n y s u N

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<v Speaker 2>dot com New York Sun. Peace up right now. If

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<v Speaker 2>this pause in the Gaza conflict is allowed to turn

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<v Speaker 2>into a durable ceasefire, it would be a decisive defeat

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<v Speaker 2>for Israel. That's by Conrad Black. Great stuff up at

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<v Speaker 2>the New York Son, David, appreciate you being with me,

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<v Speaker 2>my friend.

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<v Speaker 1>Good to see you. Always a pleasure book.

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<v Speaker 2>All right, that was great man, Thanks so much. I'll

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<v Speaker 2>let you know what it's out, probably be tomorrow.

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<v Speaker 1>Fantastic. Thank you. Rich out that in Florida.

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<v Speaker 2>Florida's good, man, Florida's good. Do you ever make it

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<v Speaker 2>down here.

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<v Speaker 1>I think we can have an upbassl party. Actually, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's on. It would