1 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Good morning, peeps, and welcome to wok F Daily with 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:20,040 Speaker 1: Meet Your Girl Danielle Moody, recording from the Brooklyn Bunker. Folks, 3 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 1: I'm really I don't know what the word is. It's 4 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:27,720 Speaker 1: not excited, but I'm really proud of the compilation of 5 00:00:27,760 --> 00:00:31,240 Speaker 1: shows that we are putting together this Pride Month. As 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to re state at the beginning of each 7 00:00:34,479 --> 00:00:39,160 Speaker 1: week in June, we are talking with leaders and activists 8 00:00:39,280 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 1: and thought leaders and Hollywood folks authors to get a 9 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:50,960 Speaker 1: better picture of their thoughts around Pride, around where we 10 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: are with regard to progress for the LGBTQ community. And 11 00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,440 Speaker 1: the question that I'm asking is should we be going 12 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: back to our roots as a community that was born 13 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:12,160 Speaker 1: out of resistance to violence, to struggle, to oppression, to 14 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: invisibilizing us altogether. I will say that I was so 15 00:01:19,880 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 1: fucking disgusted last week for a variety of reasons, as 16 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:27,919 Speaker 1: I am with this country these days. But the Biden 17 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: administration decided to hold an event where they were going 18 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:42,080 Speaker 1: to be honoring Nancy Reagan on a stamp, as you know, 19 00:01:42,200 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: one of the first ladies to get a stamp, and 20 00:01:46,200 --> 00:01:48,520 Speaker 1: who else was going to be at that event, but 21 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 1: was Louis Louis de Joy, you know, the Trump lackey 22 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: who took over the postal service, slowed it down so 23 00:01:58,320 --> 00:02:01,560 Speaker 1: that we wouldn't be able to mail in ballots for 24 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 1: the election. Who is Nancy Reagan? While she isn't just 25 00:02:06,640 --> 00:02:09,960 Speaker 1: you know, a former first Lady, she was also very 26 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 1: prominent in the war against the LGBTQ community. When AIDS 27 00:02:16,680 --> 00:02:23,079 Speaker 1: was our epidemic and not COVID, the Reagan administration allowed 28 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: for tens of thousands, if not more, queer people in 29 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:34,919 Speaker 1: the United States to die and do nothing about it. 30 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: Wouldn't even utter the words AIDS. It was perceived, if 31 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:44,040 Speaker 1: you remember, for those of you who are old enough 32 00:02:45,120 --> 00:02:50,360 Speaker 1: in the eighties to be God's excuse to how to 33 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: get rid of these sinful characters. Back in the eighties, 34 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:04,200 Speaker 1: before there were investments into various drugs to allow for 35 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 1: this diagnosis to not be a death sentence, so many 36 00:03:12,040 --> 00:03:19,200 Speaker 1: people died, died in the streets, died alone in hospital rooms, 37 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: with not even the kindness of caretakers. Because of how 38 00:03:23,919 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: the Reagan administration characterized gay people. It was your fault 39 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 1: that you got hivna's and your death was but a 40 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:43,280 Speaker 1: scarlet letter on you and on those who loved you, 41 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:47,200 Speaker 1: knew you, so forth and so on. So for me, 42 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: as a black queer woman, to see that this administration 43 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:00,640 Speaker 1: would think that during Pride Month that the would be 44 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:06,720 Speaker 1: a right move to make once again signals how out 45 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:14,120 Speaker 1: of touch disconnected they are. Look, I'm not saying, hey, 46 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 1: don't provide first ladies with stamps, but I'm saying, let 47 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: it be known, not in the month for the community 48 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:34,440 Speaker 1: with which that administration made a target harmed in irrevocable ways. 49 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: Thank God for science, thank God for medicine, thank God 50 00:04:41,560 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: for public pressure, and those like Ryan White who would 51 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: show that it wasn't just LGBTQ people that were getting 52 00:04:54,320 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: hivna's right, that this was a epidemic of not just 53 00:05:00,680 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: one community, but what would become that of the entire 54 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:08,599 Speaker 1: nation that the rank and administration could have stopped, but 55 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 1: they didn't. So for me, for them to decide to 56 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 1: honor this person in our month was a slap in 57 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 1: the face. I am so tired too, And you will 58 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:29,840 Speaker 1: hear me talk with different people throughout the week about 59 00:05:29,920 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: the commodification of Pride. These companies who don't who literally 60 00:05:36,880 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: will fund candidates who work against our best interests, fund 61 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:47,480 Speaker 1: them behind our back, and then rainbow up their websites, 62 00:05:47,720 --> 00:05:51,160 Speaker 1: their products, their merchandise all through the month of May 63 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:58,960 Speaker 1: to receive LGBTQ dollars, take our money by daylight, and 64 00:05:59,080 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: stab us in the back at night, the same way 65 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:09,960 Speaker 1: that we are seeing places like Walmart degrade what Juneteenth 66 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 1: is too Black Americans. They're putting out ice cream in 67 00:06:15,040 --> 00:06:20,240 Speaker 1: bullshit T shirts. That's not what Juneteenth is. And while 68 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: I at one time appreciated the main streaming of Pride 69 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:29,480 Speaker 1: because I felt like it was us being brought from 70 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 1: the margins into daylight, it was all just a ploy 71 00:06:35,960 --> 00:06:40,480 Speaker 1: for capitalism, because as soon as that month is over, 72 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: they go back to funding bad actors that look to 73 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 1: dehumanize us through their vicious policies on a regular basis. 74 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: Coming up today in our conversation and with our theme 75 00:06:58,480 --> 00:07:04,480 Speaker 1: Pride is a Riot, we chat again with b Pegel's minor, who, 76 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:11,080 Speaker 1: if you remember, was the very outspoken former employee of 77 00:07:11,280 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 1: Netflix who is also black and transgender and organized helped 78 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:24,480 Speaker 1: to organize the walkout with regard to Netflix's showing of 79 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:29,760 Speaker 1: Dave Chappelle's comedy, and I use that term loosely special 80 00:07:30,280 --> 00:07:34,760 Speaker 1: where he attacked for what felt like an entire fucking hour, 81 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,360 Speaker 1: the most marginalized community in this country, one that is 82 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: killed well beyond our normal rate of murder and forgotten 83 00:07:48,080 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: about thrown in trash cans. But he felt that, oh, 84 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,840 Speaker 1: this is the community that I'm going to make quote 85 00:07:53,880 --> 00:08:00,600 Speaker 1: unquote jokes about. Well. As a Netflix employee who was 86 00:08:00,680 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: also one of the heads of their employee resource groups 87 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,880 Speaker 1: that are dedicated to both black folks and queer people, B. 88 00:08:10,080 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: Pagel's Minor took it upon themselves to organize their employees. 89 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: Following that walk out, they were fired, and we have 90 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:25,640 Speaker 1: seen since then that not much with Netflix has changed. 91 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:31,000 Speaker 1: In fact, they have threatened their employees, telling them that 92 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: they will reap what they sew as it pertains to 93 00:08:34,760 --> 00:08:40,800 Speaker 1: quote unquote wokeness. So in this conversation coming up next 94 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: with B we will talk with them about what queer 95 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: employees still face. They have become a new parent during 96 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:54,400 Speaker 1: this time, so we will also touch upon what it 97 00:08:54,480 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: means to be a transparent and the safety of our 98 00:09:01,880 --> 00:09:06,439 Speaker 1: queer kids and children in general. That conversation with B. 99 00:09:06,640 --> 00:09:11,400 Speaker 1: Pagel's Minor, as we continue to celebrate pride here on 100 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,840 Speaker 1: Woke f is coming up next. It's no secret that 101 00:09:15,880 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: the news is horsepill hard to swallow. 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Listen to Indisputable 119 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:34,760 Speaker 1: with Doctor rashad Ricci on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, or wherever 120 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:37,360 Speaker 1: you get your podcasts. If you like what you hear, 121 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: be sure to subscribe so you never miss a new episode. Folks, 122 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: I am very excited to welcome back to woke F Daily, 123 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: B Pagel's minor, who is an investor and startup advisor 124 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:59,480 Speaker 1: and former Netflix employee. And if you remember, it was 125 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:03,080 Speaker 1: rough Lee, I think about a year ago, B when 126 00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,880 Speaker 1: you joined us in woke F to talk about your 127 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:12,880 Speaker 1: termination from Netflix following your organization of a walkout. And 128 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:16,400 Speaker 1: this was associated with Dave Chappelle's I guess it was 129 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:21,559 Speaker 1: at that time his latest comedy special where I found 130 00:11:21,600 --> 00:11:25,679 Speaker 1: nothing funny, but it was an entire special that seemed 131 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: to be directed at weaponizing comedy against the trans community. 132 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,439 Speaker 1: And I didn't understand it. I didn't understand, you know, 133 00:11:35,600 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 1: his format, and I was a Dave Chappelle fan. You 134 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:44,720 Speaker 1: organized at the time a workout because according to you 135 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:46,679 Speaker 1: and the and the piece that you had written, your 136 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,959 Speaker 1: opinion piece in Washington Post back in twenty twenty one, 137 00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 1: there was no conversation with the trans e ERG. There 138 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,680 Speaker 1: was no even even if folks had said, oh, we 139 00:11:58,760 --> 00:12:02,520 Speaker 1: just want things canceled. Then that couldn't happen because you know, capitalism, 140 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: there could have been, as you said in your Washington 141 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:09,320 Speaker 1: Post piece, and opportunity to have conversation, to be in 142 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: community at least to have people be heard. Um, there 143 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: hasn't been much be that has happened at Netflix in 144 00:12:17,160 --> 00:12:21,200 Speaker 1: the positive from a year ago. I wanted to get 145 00:12:21,240 --> 00:12:24,160 Speaker 1: your thoughts on what you have heard, what you've read 146 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:30,040 Speaker 1: and seen about their war against their quote unquote woke 147 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: employees and how that landed with you. Yeah, so, first 148 00:12:36,400 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: and foremost, thank you for having me back. You know, 149 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:40,640 Speaker 1: it was a great conversation last time. And actually, what's 150 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: really crazy is it's only seven months, Like, oh my god, 151 00:12:43,880 --> 00:12:46,679 Speaker 1: it's it's such it's such a it's like it feels 152 00:12:46,679 --> 00:12:48,360 Speaker 1: like forever and our social more period of time ago. 153 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 1: And it's so interesting because you know, one of the 154 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: things I definitely reflect on at this time is, you know, 155 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,320 Speaker 1: one of the reasons I joined Netflix was because of 156 00:12:56,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: this idea that you know, they welcome disagreement and discussion. 157 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: You know, the idea really being that you know, you 158 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: write a memo, you you know you have a point 159 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:09,360 Speaker 1: of view, and you have a conversation with people to 160 00:13:09,400 --> 00:13:12,760 Speaker 1: create the best version of something. And so that's what 161 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:14,920 Speaker 1: we were really asking then, and that's what employees are 162 00:13:14,920 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: asking now. Right. It's like, invite us into the conversation. 163 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: Why would you go out and seek to build the 164 00:13:20,160 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 1: best sports team? Right? So that's the Netflix metaphor, right. 165 00:13:23,080 --> 00:13:25,720 Speaker 1: It's not about family, it's not about you know, a 166 00:13:25,800 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: personal connection, It's about building the absolute best sports team. Well, 167 00:13:29,160 --> 00:13:32,400 Speaker 1: the thing is, Phil Jackson asked Kobe Bryant what his 168 00:13:32,480 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: opinion was on the best defense that they were playing, right, 169 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:39,240 Speaker 1: you know, coaches asked their team to help them improve 170 00:13:39,280 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: their team. And so what was happening in Netflix then? 171 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: You know, even actually before that that first Ruppel special, 172 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:48,560 Speaker 1: when I first got there in March twenty twenty, we 173 00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:51,959 Speaker 1: were having conversations about content and how content can be 174 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: harmful and whether it was trans Star or if it 175 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: was Black At which are the two of the large 176 00:13:57,760 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: ARGs and Netflix, whether it was those arenizations just raising 177 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: their hand and saying, we want to be partners to 178 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: you because we feel like we can help you. Because 179 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 1: that was always a conversation. It was about let's be 180 00:14:06,559 --> 00:14:08,320 Speaker 1: partners and I think that's one of the things that 181 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 1: mainstream media really got this wrong, is that it was 182 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 1: kind of this like Netflix employees who don't understand capitalism 183 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 1: for instance, um you know who who are against the company. 184 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:20,800 Speaker 1: And that's not what it was. It was let's work 185 00:14:20,800 --> 00:14:23,760 Speaker 1: together and create like an actual partnership because we think 186 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: we can make content that's great. I'm a trans person 187 00:14:26,400 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 1: who just had a baby. Every time I went to 188 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:32,080 Speaker 1: my doctor's appointment and those other pregnant ladies saw me 189 00:14:32,160 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 1: come in, they gave you the like double taken from 190 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: the take. That is a comedy special right there. It's 191 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: just watching a trans person going too you know, an OBG. 192 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: Bryantan's office pregnant, right, like, we understood what comedy is. 193 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: Like we love to lad If you've ever been to, 194 00:14:48,560 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: you know, a gay club or a drag show one o'clock, 195 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: two o'clock in the morning, it's raunchier than Dave Chappelle 196 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: has ever even thought of. Right, So, if being offended 197 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: wasn't the whole conversation, it was about being partnership. And 198 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:04,920 Speaker 1: to your point today, I'm I'm frankly not very surprised. 199 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: You know, some of the people who are in leadership 200 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 1: at Netflix. You know, it seems like they made a 201 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,920 Speaker 1: concerted effort to push out a lot of those people 202 00:15:11,960 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: who were really like on the edge of of you know, 203 00:15:16,560 --> 00:15:21,480 Speaker 1: the company, who are talking about, you know, very difficult conversations, 204 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: trying to push them for trying to really develop them. 205 00:15:24,600 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: You know, one of the you know, C suite executives 206 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:30,520 Speaker 1: is Rachel Lets them, whose husband is a very very 207 00:15:30,560 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 1: conservative human and you know, is a concerning human right. 208 00:15:35,920 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: And so it's not surprising that you have some certain 209 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: people who are in power who are moving Netflix further 210 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,600 Speaker 1: and further away from that general idea of having difficult 211 00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: conversations to create the best product. Right, So it's not 212 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:51,280 Speaker 1: actually about being woke. And that's the thing that people 213 00:15:51,360 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 1: keep being wrong about. You don't become some of the 214 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,160 Speaker 1: most talented people in the world who get recruited to 215 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: work in one of the best companies in the world 216 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 1: by being right. You get those jobs by having critical conversations, 217 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 1: critical thinking, and literally being just really brilliant people. And 218 00:16:07,360 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: that's the thing that's being necessary. Yeah, I guess you 219 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: know where I find there is in media and in 220 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:19,880 Speaker 1: the reporting particularly around this, was a lack of nuance, right, 221 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: because it's so much better to say that all people 222 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: wanted was Dave Chappelle to be canceled, Right, That's the 223 00:16:27,560 --> 00:16:30,720 Speaker 1: easy way out. And what we often say, you know, 224 00:16:30,800 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: within the LGBT community, within the black community, is we're 225 00:16:34,200 --> 00:16:37,560 Speaker 1: not trying to cancel people, trying to like, have you 226 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: be conscious of what it is that you are delivering 227 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,520 Speaker 1: and how it is landing on the communities that you 228 00:16:43,560 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 1: are making the target or the headline of your content. Right, 229 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: it's it's how does it land and did you have 230 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: that consciousness ahead of time? And I think that, you know, 231 00:16:56,520 --> 00:17:01,600 Speaker 1: particularly around comedy, it becomes really trick. We've seen you know, 232 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 1: incidents over the over the last h couple of couple 233 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,479 Speaker 1: of months really um where people have been assaulted. Um. 234 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 1: And I'm not even I'm not talking about the Will 235 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,240 Speaker 1: Smith Chris Rockley. I'm talking about you know at the 236 00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:19,439 Speaker 1: comedy club, the guy rushing the rushing the stage. You know. 237 00:17:19,640 --> 00:17:22,840 Speaker 1: I just think that we are living in more violent times. 238 00:17:23,000 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: Frankly right where where they're they're just they're people need 239 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 1: to be aware that folks are really on edge. But 240 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: that to your point, what this isn't about cancel culture right, Like, 241 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: what do you think that the real there there is 242 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 1: that the lgbt Q plus community is asking for. And 243 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: this is just with outside of just Dave Chappelle just 244 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: using him as kind of you know, the intro in. 245 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:55,399 Speaker 1: But when we come up and say X is a 246 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:58,119 Speaker 1: problem or this is a problem, what do you believe 247 00:17:58,280 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: is at the core of it? Yeah, you know, I 248 00:18:01,800 --> 00:18:03,680 Speaker 1: want to bring up a recent example because this has 249 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: been something that like all of us have been talking 250 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: about because trying to figure out how we feel about it. So, 251 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:10,879 Speaker 1: you know, Kendrick Lamar just released his new album and 252 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:13,679 Speaker 1: he has this song Antique Stories, right, and in the 253 00:18:13,720 --> 00:18:17,760 Speaker 1: song he says the F word, he missed genders and 254 00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 1: dead names one of his relatives. And it was so 255 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:23,800 Speaker 1: interesting because like on one end, I had my black relatives, 256 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:25,680 Speaker 1: I had white folks. I had a whole bunch of 257 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,159 Speaker 1: people come to me and being like, Okay, what's your 258 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: because like, first of all, this is like one of 259 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:33,200 Speaker 1: the most famous, most respective rappers having a conversation about 260 00:18:33,280 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: LGBTQ plus people and it doesn't seem like it's being 261 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,920 Speaker 1: done right. And to your point about nuance, the first 262 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:41,080 Speaker 1: thing I said is I was like I would like 263 00:18:41,119 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: to know what his auntie and his cousin says about 264 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: the song. I was like, did they say it was 265 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 1: okay for him to do that? Because the reality is, 266 00:18:48,920 --> 00:18:51,480 Speaker 1: that's what we're really coming to. There's a nuance of 267 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,119 Speaker 1: what is the larger conversation, right, and then what is 268 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 1: a personal conversation between individuals. Right. So Kendrick Lamar could 269 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: have had complete, you know, authority and approval from his 270 00:19:04,800 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: family saying it's perfectly fine to miss gender man and 271 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,879 Speaker 1: that's fine. But if he goes outside of that space 272 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:13,600 Speaker 1: and he and miss gender someone else or he dead 273 00:19:13,680 --> 00:19:16,679 Speaker 1: names someone else, that's not acceptable. Rights. That's really what 274 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: the conversation is. The conversation is whatever your personal feelings are, 275 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:23,480 Speaker 1: that's a one to one relationship. When you're talking about 276 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:27,200 Speaker 1: a larger whole community, you don't get to just make 277 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:31,199 Speaker 1: assumptions and put certain qualities on that community and have 278 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: that community to say yes. I mean, it's just like 279 00:19:34,640 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 1: me being black. You know, if I were to have 280 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:40,639 Speaker 1: taken into my heart the media representations with black people 281 00:19:40,880 --> 00:19:43,920 Speaker 1: in the sixties, seventies, eighties, nineties, I would think that 282 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm supposed to be a gang member who's gonna shoot 283 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:49,120 Speaker 1: some random white lady on the side of the street, right, 284 00:19:49,160 --> 00:19:50,919 Speaker 1: And I don't do that, Like, no one in my 285 00:19:50,960 --> 00:19:54,080 Speaker 1: family would even possibly contemplate that, right. And so it's 286 00:19:54,119 --> 00:19:58,359 Speaker 1: about this idea of let's have actual individual conversations with people, 287 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:00,880 Speaker 1: learn who they are, so that we could be more 288 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:03,879 Speaker 1: intelligent and more respectful of them. Right. And that is 289 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,360 Speaker 1: that's whether it's LGBT plus, that's whether it's black, that's 290 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:09,119 Speaker 1: whether it's Asian, that's whether you know, even if it 291 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,440 Speaker 1: is a white lady who has more privileged than the 292 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: rest of us. Let's have individual conversations, because that's how 293 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:18,520 Speaker 1: we end up with legislation with folks saying that you know, uh, 294 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 1: you know, it's women can't have an emotion, right, even 295 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:25,840 Speaker 1: though it's their right, it's their private conversation. The fact 296 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,760 Speaker 1: is that it starts with us, but it goes to 297 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,480 Speaker 1: every other community, right, Like, do not make assumptions about 298 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: other people, have actual conversations, because if you do, chances 299 00:20:35,560 --> 00:20:38,399 Speaker 1: are you or learning that will really shock you. You know, 300 00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 1: and even I think, you know, even I've said multiple 301 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,119 Speaker 1: times when I talked, well, now, listen to Dame Chappelle 302 00:20:43,160 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: especially talk about some of his investments and what he 303 00:20:45,359 --> 00:20:47,399 Speaker 1: wants to do a community. He and I have exact 304 00:20:47,440 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: same opinions, like literally the same opinions, but he wouldn't 305 00:20:51,480 --> 00:20:55,080 Speaker 1: know that because he hasn't decided to choose to acknowledge 306 00:20:55,080 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 1: the fact that I exist, that I'm a black LGBTQ 307 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: plus person, because for him, there's only two worlds in 308 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: that world doesn't include me. You know, it's just so 309 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:06,719 Speaker 1: wild because I'm listening to you and a couple of 310 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,320 Speaker 1: things that's stood out, and one of which is that 311 00:21:10,440 --> 00:21:15,239 Speaker 1: this all comes down to the desire to recognize that 312 00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 1: we all don't know everything, right, and so if I 313 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,800 Speaker 1: am really trying to be in community or I'm just 314 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: trying to grow as a human being, that comes with 315 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: the understanding that there is more information out there, So 316 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: why would I lock myself off to that information? I 317 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:34,399 Speaker 1: think about it in the context of, you know, the 318 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: the pushback with the Republican Party and critical race theory, Right, 319 00:21:40,800 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: it's the desire not to want to know, right, not 320 00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: to want to know anything outside of what you've always 321 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: been taught, And so it is it is wanting to 322 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,560 Speaker 1: exist inside of a bubble. For Dave Chappelle and others 323 00:21:54,600 --> 00:21:57,199 Speaker 1: to believe that the world is binary, to believe that 324 00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:59,400 Speaker 1: everything has to be either this way or this way, 325 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: and it's not right. And so if we don't if 326 00:22:03,240 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: we don't educate in the way of recognizing that we 327 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: are living in shades of gray, that everything is a 328 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 1: lot more layered than a nuanced than is being presented, 329 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: we don't grow. We're not going to grow as people, 330 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:18,520 Speaker 1: and we certainly are not going to grow as a society. Um, 331 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,480 Speaker 1: you are a new parent. And when we spoke, which 332 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: now I thought was seven years ago, b it was 333 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: just seven months ago. Um, mobi spoke seven months ago, 334 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: you were getting ready to give birth. So first I 335 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: want to ask, how are you as a as a 336 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:40,480 Speaker 1: as a new parent, having a new human in your home? 337 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: How is that going? Well? I was talking to my 338 00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:45,960 Speaker 1: aunt's disity right now and I was telling him last night. 339 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:47,359 Speaker 1: I was like, well, I was like, it's like I'm 340 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 1: really looking forward to twenties two, and she's like why. 341 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:50,760 Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, I think that's when 342 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 1: I'm asleep A little bit more correct, I was like, 343 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,679 Speaker 1: that feels like a really good, like target date period 344 00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,439 Speaker 1: type situation. But no, it's great, like honestly, you know, 345 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: I am very tired, like there's like a lack of sleep, 346 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: but honestly, it's it's the forest over. Like I wasn't 347 00:23:05,920 --> 00:23:07,639 Speaker 1: sure if I'm gonna be, like, like what kind of 348 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: parent I was going to be, But now I'm just 349 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:10,720 Speaker 1: like I can just look at you for a few 350 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:15,760 Speaker 1: more hours. You know, it's so great, An, that's wonderful. 351 00:23:16,480 --> 00:23:20,879 Speaker 1: And you know, as a new parent who is also queer, 352 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: and we are living in some of the most threatening 353 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,760 Speaker 1: times I think I have ever seen in modern in 354 00:23:28,840 --> 00:23:33,399 Speaker 1: modern times, um, with a tax coming not just on 355 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:39,200 Speaker 1: our community, but particularly queer kids, queer youth right um, 356 00:23:39,359 --> 00:23:42,200 Speaker 1: who adults are supposed to protect and instead have turned 357 00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: into targets for their target practice of hate. What comes 358 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:49,720 Speaker 1: up for you? What are you feeling as you were 359 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,440 Speaker 1: seeing these don't say gay bills and knowing that your 360 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,600 Speaker 1: child at some point will be going into school, right um, 361 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:01,720 Speaker 1: And what it means for them to be acculturated into 362 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:04,960 Speaker 1: a society that doesn't want to see them, see their 363 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,800 Speaker 1: see their parents, see their caregivers, see their community. What 364 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,240 Speaker 1: comes up for you as a new parent as all 365 00:24:11,280 --> 00:24:16,200 Speaker 1: of this is transpiring around us, well, First and foremost, 366 00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,640 Speaker 1: you know, I think that it's just like a deep 367 00:24:17,640 --> 00:24:20,639 Speaker 1: responsibility that he knows the truth, right, you know, Like 368 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's crazy. The number of books that 369 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: are on his shelves is like insane, right because I 370 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: was just like, well, we have to get we have 371 00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:30,400 Speaker 1: to start this library now because we have to start 372 00:24:30,520 --> 00:24:33,320 Speaker 1: educating him on real truths and real facts. That's the 373 00:24:33,359 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 1: first thing. It's like, it's a little bit terrifying to 374 00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:39,880 Speaker 1: know that we have to like so closely safeguard facts 375 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: now from fiction. And then it's it's going to be 376 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 1: a personal responsibility. I honestly believe for parents to really 377 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 1: do that. But the second thing is that this really 378 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:50,560 Speaker 1: feels like a parent rights issue. Like I remember, you know, 379 00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: especially a lot of these laws are coming through. I 380 00:24:53,000 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: was like, I cannot imagine if someone told me, but 381 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 1: I couldn't do what I thought was best for my child, right, Like, 382 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,560 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure my mother would feel the I like, 383 00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 1: you know, how can you say, like, I spend all 384 00:25:05,119 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 1: day with this kid, I know exactly what's going on 385 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,360 Speaker 1: with him, you know, And then how could you if 386 00:25:10,400 --> 00:25:14,080 Speaker 1: he told me, you know, in a few years or 387 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,320 Speaker 1: even tomorrow, if you just learn how to talk to you. 388 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:18,840 Speaker 1: You can say and he said, you know, hey, you know, 389 00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 1: blah blah, I'm trans, Like you know, I think I'm 390 00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:23,720 Speaker 1: a girl, and you're gonna tell me that I somehow 391 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,520 Speaker 1: don't know what's best for him, and it just it 392 00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:28,560 Speaker 1: just it boggles my mind. And it goes back to 393 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:31,879 Speaker 1: this idea of like the spectum fiction, right because like 394 00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,679 Speaker 1: you have so many people saying that, you know, I 395 00:25:34,680 --> 00:25:37,680 Speaker 1: don't want to wear a mask, It's my personal choice, yep. 396 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: But then you know, when it comes to women's bodies, 397 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,160 Speaker 1: they don't have a choice. When it comes to parents 398 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 1: and how they want to raise their kids, they don't 399 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,439 Speaker 1: have a choice. And that's a really troubling pattern for me, 400 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: right because like, ultimately I feel as though that this 401 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:55,399 Speaker 1: comes down to individuals again, you know, like if you 402 00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: don't know what that one on one relationship is. And 403 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 1: obviously I'm not a propone, you know, whenever we talk 404 00:26:01,560 --> 00:26:06,159 Speaker 1: about trans care and trans PRIs what any person is 405 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 1: really talking about, any rational person is talking about, is 406 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:16,160 Speaker 1: providing those kids the necessary treatment to stop certain progress. 407 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: But all of that can just be taken out pretty 408 00:26:19,080 --> 00:26:20,959 Speaker 1: quickly and then can just keep going right. I mean, 409 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: for example, myself, I was on testostroone before I tried 410 00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: to get pregnant, So I had to go off with 411 00:26:26,440 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 1: testostroone given a couple of months, and then my body 412 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,000 Speaker 1: just went right back into normal cycles and then I 413 00:26:33,040 --> 00:26:35,720 Speaker 1: was able to, you know, get pregnant. So you know, 414 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:37,960 Speaker 1: whenever people are talking about this is going to completely 415 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: change in Stroud and I was like, no, it's not 416 00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: like I literally proved that. You know, the body just 417 00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,280 Speaker 1: goes right back to whatever it was doing beforehand. And 418 00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:47,280 Speaker 1: to all we're really doing is it is creating this 419 00:26:47,400 --> 00:26:51,080 Speaker 1: a pathway for these kids to live, right, because that's 420 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:53,240 Speaker 1: the thing that we're talking about. And so you know, 421 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: I can't imagine you know, any any rational human who 422 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,959 Speaker 1: actually loves other humans actually, if they understood and if 423 00:27:02,000 --> 00:27:04,320 Speaker 1: they were curious, and if they were thoughtful, and if 424 00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:08,280 Speaker 1: they did any research, actually being against a child having 425 00:27:08,280 --> 00:27:10,600 Speaker 1: the care that they needed, if they understood it. And 426 00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:14,640 Speaker 1: so it's just it's it's it's it's terrifying, but it's 427 00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: also is one of those things like you know, I 428 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 1: had a fundraiser last week in Chicago from Howard Brown 429 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:21,240 Speaker 1: Health to Hower Brown Health. I've been on the board 430 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,080 Speaker 1: there for seven and a half years. And honestly, so 431 00:27:24,200 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: Hower Brown Health is the largest LGBTQ plus center in 432 00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:29,560 Speaker 1: the Midwest and potentially, you know, depending on who you 433 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 1: talk to, the largest in the country. And what's really 434 00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,760 Speaker 1: interesting about that is to this point, you know, obviously 435 00:27:34,800 --> 00:27:37,160 Speaker 1: Chicago has already said that there will be a haven 436 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 1: state for people who are seeking abortion. They also will 437 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,560 Speaker 1: be a haven state for people who are seeking transcerror. 438 00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 1: And so what's really happening is is for Howard Brown 439 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,320 Speaker 1: they've already gotten people from all of the Midwest. So 440 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:49,520 Speaker 1: you know, you have people from Iowa, Michigan who are 441 00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,800 Speaker 1: bringing their families in there because they want to get 442 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:54,840 Speaker 1: them profrom care. And so what what it really does 443 00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 1: to me, though, is I launched that fundraiser because I 444 00:27:58,440 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 1: was saying, you know, we have more works, right, yeah, 445 00:28:01,600 --> 00:28:04,480 Speaker 1: and we're well exposed to do. We're better organizing we've 446 00:28:04,480 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 1: ever been. You know, we're smarter than we've ever been. 447 00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,600 Speaker 1: I think we're tougher than we've ever been. And so 448 00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 1: we're ready for this fight, right and so I have 449 00:28:11,960 --> 00:28:14,520 Speaker 1: to start. I have to fight harder now because now 450 00:28:14,520 --> 00:28:16,560 Speaker 1: I have this kid that I want to be able 451 00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,040 Speaker 1: to make choices for for the rest of his life. 452 00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:24,800 Speaker 1: You know. It's when you say that these medical interventions 453 00:28:24,880 --> 00:28:28,199 Speaker 1: for trans youth provides a path away to living. I 454 00:28:28,240 --> 00:28:31,240 Speaker 1: think also that that is not the conversation that is 455 00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:35,280 Speaker 1: being happened. That is happening excuse me in mainstream media, 456 00:28:35,480 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: because what we've allowed, I feel like the radical right 457 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,160 Speaker 1: wing to be able to take hold of is quote 458 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: unquote family values. Well, if you actually do care about kids, 459 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,680 Speaker 1: which they don't, you know, So it's not like I'm 460 00:28:48,720 --> 00:28:51,360 Speaker 1: trying to change their minds. But there are people who 461 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: really do not understand, right, They don't understand the community, 462 00:28:55,120 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: they don't understand the feelings. And I'm saying to myself, okay, well, 463 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:02,680 Speaker 1: have you ever seen your child depressed? Has your child 464 00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:06,360 Speaker 1: ever tried to attempt suicide? Has your child? You know? 465 00:29:06,520 --> 00:29:08,600 Speaker 1: But like all of these different things, like you are 466 00:29:08,600 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: our parent, if you're watching your child shrink into themselves, 467 00:29:15,920 --> 00:29:19,560 Speaker 1: right because of how society is treating them, how they're 468 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 1: being treated at school, how they're being treated in community, 469 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,440 Speaker 1: what parent looks. I mean, there are many because the 470 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,959 Speaker 1: homelessness rate for LGBTQ youth is still extraordinarily high. In 471 00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:37,680 Speaker 1: comparison to their straight counterparts. But it's like most parents 472 00:29:38,120 --> 00:29:40,440 Speaker 1: would want to do right by their children. If I 473 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:44,520 Speaker 1: can stop your pain, if I can ease it right, 474 00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: that would be the desire for me to do. And 475 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:50,600 Speaker 1: so I feel like the way that we're not having 476 00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: this conversation is about those trans youth, those queer kids 477 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,720 Speaker 1: that are in schools, about how they are, how we're 478 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:03,800 Speaker 1: trying to ease their pain, right, how we're trying to 479 00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:07,239 Speaker 1: ease their life, and not talk about it just in 480 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 1: terms of statistics and in terms of um hormones. Frankly, right, Like, 481 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:17,040 Speaker 1: it's yeah, and there's two things I want to ask 482 00:30:17,040 --> 00:30:20,080 Speaker 1: to that. So one of the guests that my fundraiser 483 00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:25,320 Speaker 1: were two parents of a young woman who died by suicide. Right. So, 484 00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,320 Speaker 1: she didn't make it to college, right, So, she was 485 00:30:28,360 --> 00:30:30,560 Speaker 1: a senior in high school, she was a patient how 486 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,800 Speaker 1: a round hell, and she died by suicide because she 487 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:37,560 Speaker 1: couldn't she couldn't take it, she couldn't deal with it. 488 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: And so her parents have gotten really involved in the 489 00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: community and are trying to for instance, their their big 490 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,480 Speaker 1: donors to Broadway UTH Center. To Broadway UTH Center is 491 00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: a space that helps LGBTQ from twelve to twenty four. Um, 492 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:54,640 Speaker 1: you know, g D programs feeding them, make sure they 493 00:30:54,640 --> 00:30:58,520 Speaker 1: have you know, showers, making sure they have laundry, and 494 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,120 Speaker 1: they were like, you know, afterwards, they were like, this 495 00:31:00,160 --> 00:31:01,480 Speaker 1: is what we feel like we can give back to. 496 00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: No one else feels that way, right, and even myself. 497 00:31:04,960 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: So when I was a teenager, I committed. I literally 498 00:31:08,960 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: died for a few minutes because you know, I decided 499 00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: I didn't want to live anymore and I was brought 500 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,360 Speaker 1: back and you know the other part of that. So 501 00:31:16,400 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 1: it's not only just like do you want them to live, 502 00:31:18,640 --> 00:31:21,280 Speaker 1: but it's also about the potential, right. I think that 503 00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people who know me who would say, 504 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 1: you know, if you weren't here, I'm not sure what 505 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,000 Speaker 1: this my life would look like? Right, Like there's a 506 00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,480 Speaker 1: value in people. I think that people also forget because 507 00:31:35,480 --> 00:31:38,000 Speaker 1: sometimes you know, even when you don't see the value 508 00:31:38,000 --> 00:31:41,560 Speaker 1: in someone, they touch someone else and that person creates 509 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: exponential value. So it's also about the loss as a 510 00:31:44,520 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: society that we have too, And I know that sometimes 511 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: they don't think that we are working anything, right. The 512 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,200 Speaker 1: sole fact is that you don't know, you really don't know, Like, 513 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,680 Speaker 1: you don't know. Like, so, for instance, most of the 514 00:31:55,680 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: people I met, I mentor are cis gender women, right, 515 00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: of different ethnicities, most of them are heterosexual, right, and 516 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 1: every single one of them who becomes a success and 517 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 1: gets back to the community is you know that check 518 00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,680 Speaker 1: mark for me, Like I've created that impact. And so 519 00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: that's the thing that people don't understand about this as well. 520 00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you see one part of our 521 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,640 Speaker 1: identity and you really focus on that part by identity, 522 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: but you don't understand how um, just us as whole 523 00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:34,360 Speaker 1: humans create this this exponential impact when we're whole too, right. 524 00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:36,440 Speaker 1: So it's like if we could just get like a 525 00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,560 Speaker 1: ten percent or twenty percent more, right because we don't 526 00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,000 Speaker 1: have to deal with someone the bus that happens, whether 527 00:32:42,000 --> 00:32:44,640 Speaker 1: it's seeing a law or hearing about someone being assaulted 528 00:32:45,160 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 1: or whatever, Like, imagine how much greater of an impact 529 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 1: could we have, right? You know, Like and we already 530 00:32:51,840 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: know that, right because LGBTQ people are the zeite guys. 531 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,080 Speaker 1: Like when when when we when we do something, when 532 00:32:58,120 --> 00:33:01,720 Speaker 1: we say something's cool, it is cool, right, you know, 533 00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: we're the one to create the movement, We create the joy, 534 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:10,120 Speaker 1: We create the heart, we create the music, and so 535 00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:14,960 Speaker 1: it's it's it's like the exponential impact. It's so great 536 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: in society, and it's like, you know, we're literally diminishing 537 00:33:19,160 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: how great our society could be with the ways in 538 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,200 Speaker 1: which we're allowing these individuals to take away our rights 539 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,920 Speaker 1: and take away the humanities from these people and in 540 00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:33,680 Speaker 1: taking in the end, taking away their lives. Yeah, I mean, 541 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: I think that the message is always that our destinies 542 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 1: are intertwined, right, and so by people making it their 543 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: crusade and their life's mission to disrupt the lives of 544 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: other people, you in turn are disrupting your own life 545 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 1: and the opportunity for us to all actualize our greatness. 546 00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: And what would society look like if we were all 547 00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: left to be able to actualize our greatness. It would 548 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: be pretty superb other than what we're living in right now. 549 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,480 Speaker 1: B Pagels Minor, thank you so much for making the 550 00:34:08,560 --> 00:34:12,839 Speaker 1: time once again to join Woke F. 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