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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Chris Evers. Before we jump back into some of the

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Speaker 2: categories you have identified in your book, I want to

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Speaker 2: ask the general question of why we see in so

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Speaker 2: many different shapes, I mean all over the world. It

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Speaker 2: must be hundreds of different type of craft that have

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Speaker 2: been described by witnesses all over the globe. Why so

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Speaker 2: many different kinds, Well.

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Speaker 3: That's quite an interesting question. It's as I mentioned previously,

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Speaker 3: we tend to view things with the technology that we

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Speaker 3: have available to us at the time. And that doesn't

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Speaker 3: mean though that these different shapes that are witnessed at

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Speaker 3: technology some could be you know, misconceptions of a secret

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Speaker 3: government programs. Aircraft flying around. You know, we know that

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Speaker 3: in the mid nineteen fifties, for example, the U two

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Speaker 3: is around it and flying around, you know, and this

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Speaker 3: was developed and the Pentagon use the UFO excuse to

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Speaker 3: explain away these sightings of the U two while it

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Speaker 3: was being perfected. You know, We've had many, many different

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Speaker 3: shapes over the years, you know, chevron shaped, cigar shaped, circle, cone, cross, cylinder, delta, diamond, disc, egg,

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Speaker 3: bieball shapes, flashes of light, different formations of aircraft or

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Speaker 3: unknown flying objects shall we call them, you know, and

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Speaker 3: oval shaped rectangle. We've had a myriad of different shapes

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Speaker 3: over the years, but I think some of them depend

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Speaker 3: as well on the individual. For example, the people who

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Speaker 3: are religious see more cross shaped sightings than anything else. Well,

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Speaker 3: there's no actual evidence to suggest that that is true,

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Speaker 3: but these shapes have still been seen. For example. You know,

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Speaker 3: if we look New Fawk, for example, we do know

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Speaker 3: that they I mean I looked at some information that

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Speaker 3: they put together in their so many years of existing.

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Speaker 3: I think it was something like forty or forty seven

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Speaker 3: years of their existence at Newfork, which is a national

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Speaker 3: UFO reporting center over there in the US. And now

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Speaker 3: remember this is only one organization. You know, in all

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Speaker 3: that time period, they'd had four hundred and seventy one

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Speaker 3: different shaped cross shaped sightings. Yeah sorry, different shape, different

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Speaker 3: cross shaped sightings, thirty six dealty shapes two thousand and

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Speaker 3: forty five you know, diamond shaped craft had been seeing. Now,

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Speaker 3: this is only a list that I've got up until

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Speaker 3: November of twenty twenty two. This may have increased, you know,

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Speaker 3: these side things have gone on for MILLENNIU George you know,

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Speaker 3: and at the end of the day, in the total

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Speaker 3: existence over the forty seven years that Newfolk had existed.

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Speaker 3: And then remember this is up to November twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: two that had one hundred and forty two thousand, three

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Speaker 3: hundred and thirty three different shapes fightings reported to them.

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Speaker 3: Now this is only one organization in America. Of course,

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Speaker 3: you've got mwfon Overy, We've got the Prittish Sure for

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Speaker 3: Research Association, which in all honesty is really is a

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Speaker 3: shadow of its former self. When we have other organizations

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Speaker 3: which are as popular or well known about are doing

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Speaker 3: the run recordings of different shapes sightings. So we've had

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Speaker 3: literally thousands and thousands of different shaped sightings for many,

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Speaker 3: many years. And as I say, I think some of

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Speaker 3: the side things that people witness come down to their

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Speaker 3: own beliefs as well.

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Speaker 2: Oh I'm sure. But also I don't know if you

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Speaker 2: would agree with us, but sometimes it seems like these

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Speaker 2: things appear to us on Earth just outside the known

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Speaker 2: realm of our technology at the time we have cigars

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Speaker 2: and these big blimp looking things in the eighteen nineties,

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Speaker 2: just ahead by a couple of years of when we

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Speaker 2: could build similar craft. You have these triangles seen in

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Speaker 2: the eighties, just a year or two ahead of when

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Speaker 2: we actually could fly these triangular craft like the Bee

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Speaker 2: wand Er stealth fighter. Coincidence.

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Speaker 3: It's absolutely amazing and I completely agree with what you've

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Speaker 3: just said. But we have to remember as well that

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Speaker 3: these sightings that people have witness I mean, the Mongolfier

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Speaker 3: brothers from France didn't perfect the hot air balloon until

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Speaker 3: I think it was the seventeen seventies, was it round

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Speaker 3: about that sound period? So you know, what explanation do

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Speaker 3: we have for these You know, for example, the attempted

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Speaker 3: execution of the priest in twelve hundred and eleven hundred Japan.

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Speaker 3: You know, they saw something that was the same shape

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Speaker 3: as you know, a flying off air balloon was a

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Speaker 3: couple of hundred years later. Also, again we've got the

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Speaker 3: tic TACs, which to me, they're a modern version of

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Speaker 3: the cigar shaped object. For example, you know the large

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Speaker 3: Zeppelin typecraft that will witness in New Zealand, Australia, Europe,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we should point out your chapter on the cigar

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Speaker 2: shapes that they didn't go away at the end of

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Speaker 2: the eighteen hundreds. They've been seeing throughout the twentieth century,

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Speaker 2: and I don't know about the twenty first, but you know,

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Speaker 2: used to people would see those that think of them, well,

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Speaker 2: that looks like that could actually be an interstellar craft,

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Speaker 2: a mother ship that would carry a bunch of these

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Speaker 2: smaller ones and let them loose and fly around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, and don't forget well, you know, along with these

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Speaker 3: types of shapes as well that we've talked about the

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Speaker 3: off air balloon or you know, the TikTok tic tac

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Speaker 3: air shape or the cigar shape, we've also got other

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Speaker 3: larger craft as well. We have a case from Conyers

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Speaker 3: I believe it is in Georgia of a large square

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Speaker 3: is a photograph of it in the book. And you

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Speaker 3: know this was taken after link. And I'll get these

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Speaker 3: two dates incorrect, because there's another similar one which I'll

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Speaker 3: explain in a moment. I think this one was at

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Speaker 3: twenty nineteen, this one in Conyer's in Georgia, or it

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Speaker 3: was twenty twenty two. As I say, I get these

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Speaker 3: two dates mixed up. We also have a very similar

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Speaker 3: craft taken three years later over the English Channel, looking

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Speaker 3: exactly the same. So why is the same craft being

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Speaker 3: seen in Conyers in Georgia then seen again in the

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Speaker 3: of the English Channel, you know, which is a body

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Speaker 3: of water that of course that runs between and plants.

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Speaker 3: You know, these craft have not gone away. They're still there,

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Speaker 3: and they are still there. We've had egg shapes, you know.

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Speaker 3: Lonnie Zamoro's craft was an egg shaped craft. You know,

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Speaker 3: these are very very much similar again to the tic

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Speaker 3: TACs that were seen you know if famous n Limits

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Speaker 3: encounter in two thousand and four. So these crafts have

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Speaker 3: not gone away that come round. It's like it's like

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Speaker 3: a cycle of events that keep on repeating themselves.

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Speaker 2: You wonder if you know there's some space alien if

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Speaker 2: that's what these things are from other planets. There's a

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Speaker 2: Ford plant and a Chevy plant and a Toyota plant,

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Speaker 2: and they're all cranking out different models of the same thing.

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Speaker 2: Or you wonder if they're appearing to us. We see

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Speaker 2: what we want to see, and they actually can change

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Speaker 2: their shapes. I mean, that's one of the categories you have,

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Speaker 2: is change, shape shifting and shape changing UFOs right, that's correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they do appear to change shape. You know, why

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Speaker 3: I add in the mid nineteen nancies. We run a

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Speaker 3: UFO group in the Kingston upon Whole area back then,

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Speaker 3: Jason Lewis, we decided to do a SkyWatch. So we thought, right,

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Speaker 3: banks of the River Humber. It's not actually a river,

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Speaker 3: and there's an aero space factory there at the village

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Speaker 3: we decided to go down there. We set up one

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Speaker 3: video cameras, sound recording equipment, still cameras, et cetera, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: We got there round about ten o'clock in the evening,

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Speaker 1: So we just.

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Speaker 3: Packed everything away and we're just about to leave, when

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Speaker 3: So it come down the opposite hill, flew out a

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Speaker 3: You know I'd actually seen in my first encounter back

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Speaker 3: in nineteen seventy four. Why do people all see different

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Speaker 3: I'm sure if we had the answer to, we would

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Speaker 3: have an answer to what this phenomena is that we're witnessing,

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Speaker 3: and that is still being witnessed daily around the world.

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Speaker 2: Let me throw this one at you. So there's this

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Speaker 2: ranch in Utah Skinwalker that I've talked about before in

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Speaker 2: this program and written about. And there was an incident

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Speaker 2: during the Astart program where multiple intelligence officers are on

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Speaker 2: them saw the same object, but all four of them

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Speaker 2: there's a psychological aspect of this that it can change

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Speaker 2: the perception of individual people, individual witnesses.

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Speaker 3: Now I'll throw this back at you. When I saw

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Speaker 3: my spot of light. So I call it back in

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Speaker 3: nineteen seventy four. How come it disappeared when I shouted

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Speaker 3: UFO my friends, it was like it hurt me. It

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Speaker 3: was like it interacted with my thoughts or my intelligence.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm not admitting to having any intelligence, by

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Speaker 3: the way, George is kind of make it up as

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Speaker 3: I go along. No, but you know, it's at the

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Speaker 3: end of the day, I feel that they somehow can

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Speaker 3: send a signal or a message into into the workings

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Speaker 3: of our room brains. It does affect what we see,

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Speaker 3: and I think that is quite evident in the many,

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Speaker 3: many different shaits that have been witnessed off of the millennia.

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Speaker 2: Well, let me throw another one at to Then there's

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Speaker 2: a friend of colleague of mind named doctor Colin Kellerhers

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Speaker 2: looked at this angle because I think the term is

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Speaker 2: bi directional mimicry. So he suspects that they, whoever they are,

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Speaker 2: mirror us, and then we mirror them. They sort of

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Speaker 2: inspire us to build craft that looks similar to what

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Speaker 2: they're flying around. It's it's meant to be, Hey, here's

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Speaker 2: what we can do. Can you do this? And eventually

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Speaker 2: we catch up to something like that and then they

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Speaker 2: mimic and duplicate what we do. Have you ever heard that.

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Speaker 3: I've actually bed that once before. Yeah, that's quite an

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Speaker 3: interesting thought in that they appear to be some somehow

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Speaker 3: You know, it's quite a fascinating thought that there is

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Speaker 3: you know, where we're being kind of false fed by

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Speaker 3: shape or form to advance ourselves, you know. And it's

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Speaker 3: a completely fascinating thought.

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Speaker 1: Really, George.

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Speaker 2: And just as you have documented, you know, maybe hundreds

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Speaker 2: they are. Uh, it's not really covered in your book,

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Speaker 2: but I know you've delved into this in your research

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Speaker 2: they're from, look different to different people, and there's just

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Speaker 3: Absolutely, yes, we've had as many different shaped beings as

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Speaker 3: we've had shaped craft. You know, we've had naudics, we've

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Speaker 3: had brays, we've had reptilian like you know, you name it,

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Speaker 3: you name the description of the issues, you know, we've

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Speaker 3: had for millennia. I don't really go into that in

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Speaker 2: In that myself sure understood. So the cigars, let's go

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Speaker 2: at least since the eighteen nineties, maybe longer. How what

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Speaker 2: can you recall the most recent other than the tic tac?

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Speaker 2: Is there other cigar shaped craft that have been reported?

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Speaker 3: And I do not know anything other than the tic

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Speaker 3: was it no favor the tiktoks, wasn't it?

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Speaker 3: No, I couldn't say anything straight off the top of

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Speaker 3: You know, things do go around. I mean, we have

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Speaker 3: You know, it was a famous case of a football game,

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Speaker 3: while this was going on, these craft, they're supposed to

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Speaker 3: You know, that kind of sighting is again an historical sighting,

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Speaker 3: and basically these crafts have still been seen today. It's

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Speaker 3: not just in the eighteen nineties. You know, they've been

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Speaker 1: You know, no doubt.

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Speaker 3: Moufon, I mean l Gray Anderson of Moufon has basically

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Speaker 3: that we need to get an answer to, and we

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Speaker 3: need the Pentagon to open up and stop. I mean,

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Speaker 3: the problem with the Pentagon, which I was going to

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Speaker 3: mention earlier before the break, is that we're asking the police,

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, we investigate ourselves and are completely innocent and

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Speaker 2: found no no wrongdoing. Yeah, it's ridiculous, absolutely posters space.

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