1 00:00:02,560 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: In the Lab, a Texans podcast that takes a different 2 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,039 Speaker 1: look at things. Drew Doherty and John Harris have their 3 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: lab coats and goggles on and the Bunsen burners burning. 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:15,480 Speaker 1: Here's Drew. 5 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:17,400 Speaker 2: Hey, how's it going. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:19,200 Speaker 3: Hi, how are you doing? 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: I'm good. Good to see you. I'm good to see you. 8 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:25,040 Speaker 2: And hear from you or hear you or no, talk 9 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 2: to you. It's the three of us, you, John, Me, 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 2: Me and gentle viewer listener. 11 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you, you and me? Okay, Yeah. 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:39,120 Speaker 2: This is a weird, weird, weird season that we're still 13 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:43,720 Speaker 2: in the middle of. Yes, the final chapter has not 14 00:00:43,840 --> 00:00:48,560 Speaker 2: been written correct. Much could still go great, much could not. 15 00:00:49,159 --> 00:00:51,120 Speaker 2: We could be see, we could see something somewhere in 16 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:53,400 Speaker 2: the middle. But what I want to focus on right now, John, 17 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,240 Speaker 2: and you and I have talked offline about this. It's 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 2: the damnedest thing. Starting with the Patriots win. Since then, 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:09,600 Speaker 2: so week six, Week six, the Texans are plus twelve 20 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: solely in that span turnover differential wise. 21 00:01:12,959 --> 00:01:14,520 Speaker 3: Meaning including the Patriots game. 22 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:16,360 Speaker 2: Flitting the Patriots gather the plus three in that one, 23 00:01:16,360 --> 00:01:19,000 Speaker 2: they're plus three. The next week they're plus one, plus one. 24 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:21,320 Speaker 2: They were even in a game they were plus one 25 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:24,000 Speaker 2: and plus three, so three different games they've been plus three, 26 00:01:24,040 --> 00:01:28,199 Speaker 2: which is bonkers. But anyways, they've been plus twelve, meaning 27 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,520 Speaker 2: they've taken the ball away twelve more times than they've 28 00:01:30,520 --> 00:01:32,520 Speaker 2: turned it over. Now, yes, they have turned it over 29 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:37,560 Speaker 2: some in that span, but plus twelve. They're the third 30 00:01:37,720 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: best team overall in the NFL in the entire season. 31 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:44,360 Speaker 2: We're on the entire season at plus nine. So they 32 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 2: came into that Patriots game, they were down, they were 33 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:49,520 Speaker 2: in the bottom third of the NFL in turnover differential, 34 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 2: had a good week that boosts them back up, and 35 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 2: they've steadily risen. There's only two teams that have a 36 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:58,640 Speaker 2: better turnover differential rate than they do right now. Only two. 37 00:02:00,640 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 2: I don't know what the span is since week twelve 38 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:05,480 Speaker 2: with the rest of the NFL, but yeah, excuse me, 39 00:02:05,480 --> 00:02:07,040 Speaker 2: since week six with the rest of the NFL, but 40 00:02:07,200 --> 00:02:10,600 Speaker 2: plus twelve, I mean, you're at a plus two rate 41 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 2: per game. That's bananas, and it hasn't equated or it 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 2: hasn't come out to wins and losses, and it's just 43 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: it's the weirdest freaking thing. And you pick off a 44 00:02:23,080 --> 00:02:25,560 Speaker 2: guy five times and you lose, you sack a guy 45 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: eight times and you also get a pick six off 46 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,560 Speaker 2: him and you lose. It was just the weirdest freaking thing. 47 00:02:30,600 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: What is going on? How is this happening? But with 48 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 2: the turnover stuff, like yeah, well yeah, it's mind blowing. 49 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:40,440 Speaker 2: I mean it really is. 50 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 3: Yeah. 51 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:46,959 Speaker 4: I think that the Detroit game was the one five interceptions. 52 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 3: You got five. Now I'll take you back. 53 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:53,079 Speaker 4: You've got four extra possessions because the fifth interception out 54 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 4: of the where ranked in the order. But Kamari Laster 55 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 4: picked off Hail Mary. But you got four extra position 56 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 4: essions against Detroit. Because that's the way, in essence, you 57 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:09,040 Speaker 4: need to think about a turnover. That's an extra possession 58 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 4: for your offense that you weren't planning on getting but 59 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:16,400 Speaker 4: you got. And when you're plus twelve now obviously, like 60 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 4: I said, take that hill Mary, at the end, you're 61 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 4: eleven extra possessions over seven, eight, nine, ten, eleven like 62 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:28,760 Speaker 4: six games ish, so you're averaging about two extra possessions 63 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 4: per game and you just haven't been able to turn 64 00:03:32,840 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 4: that into points. 65 00:03:34,920 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 3: And that to me. 66 00:03:39,080 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 4: The you can go one step further of the weirdness 67 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:48,960 Speaker 4: since New England, since that game, because Damian Pierce had 68 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 4: a touchdown in that game. I'm trying to think with 69 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 4: the other's another touchdown in that second half was Digs. Yeah, 70 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 4: maybe Digs after the turnover. So you had two touchdowns 71 00:03:57,520 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 4: in the second half of that game. Since that game, 72 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 4: so that would be Green Bay going forward, Derek Barnett 73 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:10,240 Speaker 4: has one touchdown, but offensively, Jimmy Jimmy Ward has a touchdown. 74 00:04:10,320 --> 00:04:13,440 Speaker 4: So Derek Barnett Jimmy Ward have touchdowns and the offense 75 00:04:13,480 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 4: has a touchdown. That's right there the crux of the issue, 76 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 4: and that's that's in the second half. You know, finishing games, 77 00:04:25,760 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 4: and you know there are a lot of different theories 78 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:34,039 Speaker 4: reasons why the second halves of games have been a struggle. 79 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:37,000 Speaker 2: There's still one answer to no, there's no answer to any. 80 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:39,280 Speaker 4: There's there's no clean answer like, oh, it's this guy, 81 00:04:39,520 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 4: or it's this scheme, or it's this issue a bunch off, 82 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 4: and sometimes one of the people don't want to hear it. 83 00:04:48,480 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 4: But sometimes it just comes down to bad luck. And 84 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: I mean, and sometimes turnovers are luck. I don't think so. 85 00:04:56,560 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 4: I mean that in Underdemiko, they've turned teams over I 86 00:04:58,960 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 4: don't know how many times. 87 00:05:00,279 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 3: But sometimes it just comes down to bad luck. You 88 00:05:03,320 --> 00:05:04,000 Speaker 3: know what if what. 89 00:05:03,960 --> 00:05:07,400 Speaker 4: If CJ sees tank earlier in that game against Detroit 90 00:05:07,760 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 4: throws that touchdown, I think we win that Detroit game. 91 00:05:10,880 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 4: I think after winning Detroit, there's no way we're losing 92 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:15,000 Speaker 4: to UH. 93 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 3: To Tennessee at home. 94 00:05:18,120 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 4: But I think this offense is in a in a 95 00:05:21,040 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: rut in some sense and just hard to get out. 96 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:25,880 Speaker 4: And when you know, you think about if your car 97 00:05:25,880 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 4: gets stuck in the mud, you think about if you 98 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 4: gas it, you're just gonna create a bigger and bigger 99 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 4: and bigger rut, Like just give it more power through it, 100 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,799 Speaker 4: the accelerator more. You're just gonna leave a big old rut, 101 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 4: like an even bigger tire rut a little bit. 102 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,200 Speaker 3: Right, there's you've gotta you've got to. 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:48,520 Speaker 2: Be one of the tires right the ward on one 104 00:05:48,520 --> 00:05:48,840 Speaker 2: of the time. 105 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:54,040 Speaker 4: You've got to do something outside of just harder, you 106 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 4: know what I mean, it's gotta there's gotta be something 107 00:05:56,279 --> 00:06:00,159 Speaker 4: different than that. You could keep working hard and try 108 00:06:00,320 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 4: trying harder, but there's got to be something else that's 109 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:06,320 Speaker 4: got to kind of jolted back into into you know, 110 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 4: it's like a dislocated knee, you know, it's like you gotta, 111 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 4: you know, kind of turn it and oh, okay, it's back, 112 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,960 Speaker 4: and hopefully at some point that can happen. Maybe not, 113 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 4: I don't know. Maybe that's what this season is going 114 00:06:20,839 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 4: to teach all of us. Drew, I don't know, but 115 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 4: I know I know people are upset. Look, most upset 116 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:29,160 Speaker 4: people are the offensive staff's his team not getting games. 117 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 4: I mean, the defensive staff was probably pretty upset with 118 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,080 Speaker 4: the way things went down. 119 00:06:32,200 --> 00:06:34,320 Speaker 2: Oh I was gonna say, yeah, I was gonna say that. 120 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:37,880 Speaker 2: I can't remember who was asking the question, but it 121 00:06:37,960 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 2: was basically, hey, are you Demiko, what do you think 122 00:06:40,680 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: about this offense? You know, what's the deal? And he said, 123 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 2: we got to play better complimentary fill And normally you 124 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 2: roll your eyes at that type of thing. But man, 125 00:06:48,600 --> 00:06:52,720 Speaker 2: all three phases they made some whoppers of mistakes. Yep, 126 00:06:53,080 --> 00:06:55,600 Speaker 2: that helped lose that game the other day, But they 127 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 2: all it's the weirdest thing. They all also did all 128 00:06:58,560 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 2: sorts of great stuff too. I mean on each side 129 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: the ball. There were miraculous things that happened, not miraculous, 130 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:05,920 Speaker 2: but fantastic things that happened. But you did too many 131 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 2: things that didn't go your way in every phase, all 132 00:07:09,880 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 2: three of those phases that kept you from winning. Yep, 133 00:07:13,440 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: you saw Kyane Fareburn throwing his helmet off at the end. 134 00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:18,920 Speaker 2: But Kanye, he also made a fifty yard field goal. 135 00:07:18,960 --> 00:07:22,400 Speaker 2: He also had a phenomenal kickoff return to start the 136 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 2: game that helped you get that first TOUCHOT. But then 137 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,440 Speaker 2: you had a penalty on some returns a couple of 138 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 2: times that set you back. Defense. Yeah you get eight sacks, 139 00:07:31,000 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: Yeah you score, but also you might ice the game 140 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 2: if you wrap up and bring Pollard down there inside 141 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 2: the five instead of let them get free for the 142 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:44,120 Speaker 2: first I mean, there's all sorts of every single phase 143 00:07:44,160 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: of the ball, and we've talked at linked about what 144 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 2: the offense needs to do better every single phase of 145 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 2: the ball. They all looked at themselves and were blaming themselves, 146 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 2: and you know, it was a collective loss, which stinks. 147 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 3: But this is what I wrote, Drew and Harris his 148 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 3: this is a paragrap. 149 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, scrawing a lot on that too. 150 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's you know, when you you wonder often, Okay, 151 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 4: could we have prevented the bad things that happened? Okay, 152 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 4: So as I read this, think about the bad things 153 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 4: that happened? 154 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:16,960 Speaker 3: Could these have been prevented? Texans had a penalty and 155 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: a kickoff but. 156 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:20,960 Speaker 4: Wiped out a forty eight yard Damian Pierce return illegal 157 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 4: contact penalty and a third and eight they led to 158 00:08:22,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 4: a Titans field goal in the first half. 159 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: Had a delay a game penalty on a punt in 160 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:26,640 Speaker 3: the first half. 161 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 4: Nearly gave up a touchdown because the returner didn't down 162 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:30,680 Speaker 4: the ball and had to dive on it to avoid 163 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 4: a Titan's touchdown. Dropped a kickoff after the cheek or 164 00:08:33,920 --> 00:08:36,720 Speaker 4: cockboad touchdown and was tackled at the eighteen yard line. 165 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,840 Speaker 4: Had consecutive false starts on third down on the first 166 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 4: drive of the fourth quarter. Had a holding penalty that 167 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 4: cost the Texans field position on a punt to the 168 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:47,560 Speaker 4: Tennessee thirty nine yard line. Committed a two men in 169 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 4: motion this is a killer illegal shift penalty on a 170 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:51,720 Speaker 4: go ahead and Nico Collins touched on the fourth quarter. 171 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,320 Speaker 4: Committed a holding on first and ten from the Tennessee 172 00:08:54,440 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 4: eleven three plays later after Collins should have been td 173 00:08:57,880 --> 00:08:59,959 Speaker 4: missed a short an extra point twenty yard field goal. 174 00:09:00,160 --> 00:09:02,880 Speaker 4: Finally committed a fifteen yard blind side block penalty and 175 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 4: the final Titans punt with the ball the Texas seven 176 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:07,280 Speaker 4: yard line stead of the Texans twenty four. That led 177 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 4: to a Titans safety for a final thirty two to 178 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 4: twenty seven lead. As I'm going through that, I'm seeing 179 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 4: all those plays, I think sometimes the penalties, especially on 180 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 4: special teams, those can be kind of tough. Those are 181 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,959 Speaker 4: you know, you're trying hard, but still you got to 182 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,199 Speaker 4: do everything possible to avoid, like, for example, the holding 183 00:09:25,240 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 4: penalty that. 184 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:29,000 Speaker 3: The Titans were backed up. 185 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 4: Titans were backed up, Robert Woods came up and fuelled 186 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:34,360 Speaker 4: the ball and got to the thirty nine yard line. 187 00:09:34,400 --> 00:09:35,640 Speaker 3: You're already in fieldal range. 188 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:40,080 Speaker 4: You're in fieldal range, and there's a holding on Kamari Last. 189 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 3: And I was like, wait, that's weird. Kamaria doesn't really 190 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 3: play special teams. 191 00:09:44,080 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 4: And remember, oh, Kadar Holman got hurt. Ma's got goal 192 00:09:47,559 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 4: and play the gunner and he doesn't do that. That's 193 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:52,160 Speaker 4: not his he's not used to that. So of course 194 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 4: he held. Hey got a ten yearl penalty. Now that 195 00:09:54,000 --> 00:09:56,839 Speaker 4: was also the drive that you had the illegal shift 196 00:09:56,880 --> 00:09:59,200 Speaker 4: with two minute motion, and that was that was a killer, 197 00:09:59,520 --> 00:10:01,760 Speaker 4: And to me, of all of them, that's the one 198 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,720 Speaker 4: that bothers me the most, not because it took a 199 00:10:03,760 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 4: touchdown off the board. He did take a touch off 200 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:07,160 Speaker 4: the board. It would have been the go ahead touchdown. 201 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,000 Speaker 4: But it's the what we twelve we were week twelve 202 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,679 Speaker 4: that shouldn't be happening. Those are the things that shouldn't 203 00:10:16,720 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 4: be happening. Penalties, you know, like d Are not getting 204 00:10:20,440 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 4: on the ball in the end zone, like okay, he 205 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 4: should know that, two minute motion like come on, we can't. 206 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 3: We can't have that. 207 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 4: But those kind of things, you know, like the holding 208 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,720 Speaker 4: penalty that was on Jared Patterson. 209 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 3: It never should have happened. It never should have happened. 210 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 4: There was a double team on Simmons, but Shaq Mason 211 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 4: got thrown down basically by Simmons. And now it's what 212 00:10:42,000 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 4: I want against Paterson. Whll, Jared's not gonna win that. 213 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:46,280 Speaker 4: Nobody's gonna win that against Simmons one on one. That 214 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,600 Speaker 4: was the whole point that double team needed to stay stronger. 215 00:10:48,600 --> 00:10:51,200 Speaker 4: But no, it's a holding penalty. Now move Bob moves back, 216 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,120 Speaker 4: and now you got to settle for the twenty eight 217 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: yard field goal. And of course Kami has been fantastic 218 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 4: all year. And he and he missed. Yeah, he pushed 219 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 4: it left. And you know those things are gonna happen, 220 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 4: happening against the Jets. You know, those things are gonna happen. 221 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 4: This guy's been carrying us all year. And I think 222 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 4: as I as I have thought through this, and I've 223 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:09,080 Speaker 4: talked to a lot of people, I was actually on 224 00:11:09,160 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 4: lunch at lunch on Wednesday, and you know, the guys 225 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 4: that I was at lunch with were like, well, you know, 226 00:11:13,040 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 4: there's this, and there's that, and there's you know, all 227 00:11:14,640 --> 00:11:18,400 Speaker 4: these different things. And I think what's frustrating is, in 228 00:11:18,440 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 4: a sense, as one of them said, they talked about 229 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,160 Speaker 4: CJ and Kaymi and they're like, we're just so used 230 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:26,600 Speaker 4: to those guys putting a cape on and bailing us 231 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 4: out basically, you know, playing not not hero ball. 232 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 2: But we got spoiled to a degree. Yeah, yeah, got spoiled. 233 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 2: And they are they are human, and they're still way 234 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: I say human, they're superhuman, but even superhuman sometimes. 235 00:11:38,559 --> 00:11:40,880 Speaker 4: Absolutely and and and this was one and this was 236 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,280 Speaker 4: one of those times. And those guys are gonna step 237 00:11:43,360 --> 00:11:45,160 Speaker 4: right back up and they're gonna nail fifty yard field 238 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:46,760 Speaker 4: goals and they're gonna hit fifty yard bombs and he 239 00:11:46,840 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 4: hit twenty yard deep comebacks. And they're gonna be the 240 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 4: guys that we want them to that we have always 241 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 4: thought them to be. But there are gonna be moments 242 00:11:54,640 --> 00:11:56,920 Speaker 4: you trip up, and that was that was one of them. 243 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 4: And they just there was a confluence of events and 244 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 4: that was part of it. And it ended up with 245 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,920 Speaker 4: us getting a fifth loss, and we probably deserve to lose. 246 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 4: We we didn't deserve win that game totally, but we 247 00:12:07,040 --> 00:12:08,720 Speaker 4: could have stolen it totally. 248 00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 2: And one last thing, Yeah, they were two and eight, 249 00:12:12,720 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 2: but damn it, that's a good defense the Titans have, Yes, 250 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 2: it is. 251 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,440 Speaker 4: That was as good as secondary. Those guys were stickier 252 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:19,240 Speaker 4: in coverage than I. 253 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:20,960 Speaker 2: They didn't have le Jerry sneed I know. 254 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:23,160 Speaker 4: They were sticky and coverage and that was probably the 255 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:26,680 Speaker 4: best secondary I could think of because they didn't sack 256 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 4: CJ early in the game. Now, they they did pressure 257 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 4: him and move him off his spot. 258 00:12:30,800 --> 00:12:33,600 Speaker 2: A little eliminated the run. They eliminated the run. 259 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:35,400 Speaker 3: Simmons. That secondary was sticky. 260 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:35,559 Speaker 2: Man. 261 00:12:35,640 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 4: Darryl Worley stepped up at safety and uh was really 262 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:42,400 Speaker 4: really good and he was subbing for Armani Hooker, who 263 00:12:42,640 --> 00:12:44,559 Speaker 4: had made the trip but was sick and couldn't play, 264 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: so Worley had to step in there last second and 265 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: ended up making a couple of really key plays in 266 00:12:48,840 --> 00:12:49,200 Speaker 4: that game. 267 00:12:49,240 --> 00:12:51,200 Speaker 2: Are you ready to put Jeffrey Simmons up on the 268 00:12:51,200 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore of AFC South, Yes, villains with t Y Hilton? 269 00:12:54,760 --> 00:12:57,360 Speaker 2: Who has two places on the Mount Rushmore? And who's the. 270 00:12:57,400 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 3: Who's the third? 271 00:12:57,960 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 2: Who's the other? 272 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 3: Oh? King Henry, Yeah, Derrick Henry, Yeah, King Henry. 273 00:13:01,920 --> 00:13:03,320 Speaker 2: Is there a Jaguar that we can put in there? 274 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:03,520 Speaker 1: Or no? 275 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: I don't think so. 276 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 2: Who's the guy that who's the guy that caught that 277 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:08,400 Speaker 2: hail Mary? 278 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:09,640 Speaker 3: That Thomas? 279 00:13:09,760 --> 00:13:09,840 Speaker 4: Not? 280 00:13:09,920 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: You can't really don't even know if you have to 281 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: this point. Not not Jeffrey Simmons, Whiz that guy's. 282 00:13:17,240 --> 00:13:19,840 Speaker 3: Good Simmons, Derreck Henry, t Y Hilton. 283 00:13:20,120 --> 00:13:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, all right, So back in a good We're 284 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 2: back in a good friend of mind, because that's what 285 00:13:27,320 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: we're gonna be. We're gonna be in a good friend mind. 286 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:33,440 Speaker 2: It's Thanksgiving. I'm thankful for you, John, and I'm thankful 287 00:13:33,480 --> 00:13:37,040 Speaker 2: for Randy the macho man savage with his cream of 288 00:13:37,040 --> 00:13:40,559 Speaker 2: the crop crop cream of the crop, saying, because we're 289 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: gonna pick a cream of the crop this guy. If 290 00:13:43,120 --> 00:13:46,600 Speaker 2: the Texans are flying back on Sunday evening with a victory, 291 00:13:46,679 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: their eighth of the year, if they're flying back with 292 00:13:49,120 --> 00:13:52,320 Speaker 2: a victory, it'll be because these guys, these two guys, 293 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 2: one for me, one for you, were cream of the 294 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,719 Speaker 2: Crop award winners. I'm going with Tank Dell. Tank Dell 295 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:04,679 Speaker 2: rupted right outside of his hometown last series from Daytona Beach. 296 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: He had a nice crowd there on the sidelines. In 297 00:14:07,040 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 2: Week three when the Texans got that first win of 298 00:14:09,520 --> 00:14:12,199 Speaker 2: the Debigo Ryans Era, their first win of the season, 299 00:14:12,760 --> 00:14:15,360 Speaker 2: they took it to them. You had the Tank Dell 300 00:14:15,440 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 2: long touchdown, you had another long Tank Dell reception early 301 00:14:19,880 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: in the game, had the Andrew beck God Bless Andrew 302 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:26,000 Speaker 2: Becky kickoff return for a score. And you had Will 303 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: Anderson block in a field goal. Lots of good stuff, 304 00:14:28,320 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 2: Brevin Jordan, lots of fun stuff. So I'm gonna go 305 00:14:30,800 --> 00:14:32,520 Speaker 2: with Tank Dell because I think he's gonna get his 306 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 2: I think the matchups will present themselves. I think Nico 307 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 2: is gonna get what he normally gets. But I think 308 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 2: when you add in tank to it. Let me get 309 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 2: a redo a reducts of last season, more Tank Dell heroics. CJ. 310 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:49,240 Speaker 2: Stroud and the crew come through after the break as 311 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,720 Speaker 2: well and get some touchdowns. You get back on the 312 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:55,600 Speaker 2: winning track. You're coasting into a much needed bye week. 313 00:14:56,000 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 2: You get some things fixed, you jiggle some things, and 314 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: then about a bam, you roll into the playoffs with 315 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: a nice December. You like that? You cool with that? 316 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:03,920 Speaker 2: Like that? 317 00:15:04,040 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 3: Okay, who's in fact? 318 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 4: I struggled with this one because there's a guy I 319 00:15:09,320 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 4: want to say, but I'm not going to do it. 320 00:15:12,200 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 3: I'll tell you who that is, Okay, and that's CJ. Shroud. 321 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 2: All right, we kind of got to take him out. 322 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 2: He's straw, the stirs the drink. Like. 323 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 4: That's kind of why I'm taking him out, because it's 324 00:15:21,720 --> 00:15:25,640 Speaker 4: quarterback and there's in this instance it would be yeah, 325 00:15:25,680 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 4: I would grant that. I think there's been a lot 326 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 4: of noise about about CJ and a lot of people like. 327 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,640 Speaker 3: What's wrong CJ sophomore slump all this kind of stuff. 328 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 4: Man, I went back and I watched every single throw 329 00:15:36,360 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 4: he made against Tennessee Titans. I'm telling you, I'll take 330 00:15:39,840 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 4: sophomore slump all week. Sure, he threw an interception that 331 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 4: was a bad he knew it. He knew he threw 332 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 4: a bad interception. The first interception, I didn't. I'm not 333 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 4: putting on him because I I think there was something. 334 00:15:50,640 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: I think there was a disconnect there. I think that 335 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 4: route was supposed to run a little deeper. I think 336 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 4: CJ expected it to be a little deeper, and he 337 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 4: threw it a little deeper. So I'm not putting that 338 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:00,800 Speaker 4: one on him. There were two of the throws that 339 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 4: were kind of like they were on CJ like, but 340 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 4: he made plus throws throughout that game. He made I 341 00:16:08,080 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 4: thought the throw to Nico on the sideline where Nico 342 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 4: toe tapped that was a plus plus throw. That was 343 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:16,880 Speaker 4: just a extraordinary throw that not many quarterbacks in this 344 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:19,640 Speaker 4: league can end up making. So you know, all this, well, 345 00:16:19,720 --> 00:16:22,160 Speaker 4: he's slumping. He's just look at numbers last few weeks. Look, 346 00:16:22,200 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 4: the overall offense hasn't been great, but he has been 347 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:28,640 Speaker 4: fighting through some protection issues and then just second year 348 00:16:28,680 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 4: stuff that he's just trying. 349 00:16:29,880 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: He's getting over. 350 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 4: But I think this is a big game for him 351 00:16:32,560 --> 00:16:34,880 Speaker 4: from from that standpoint, So I'm not gonna. 352 00:16:34,920 --> 00:16:35,600 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna bick. 353 00:16:35,520 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 2: Cj Okay, so hold on, I almost I almost have 354 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:42,960 Speaker 2: to put Nico in that same category as you can't 355 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:44,120 Speaker 2: pick him because he's just gonna. 356 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,080 Speaker 3: I wasn't gonna he's gonna do yeah, got. 357 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 2: Lee John, he wasn't gonna pick him. I mean, he's 358 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 2: had those two touchdowns wiped off the board, but he's 359 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 2: still he still gets the yardage, he still gets the 360 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:58,160 Speaker 2: big catches like he is in another stratosphere right now. 361 00:16:58,200 --> 00:17:00,160 Speaker 4: So I almost want to put this next guy that 362 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 4: I am going to pick on the shelf. Okay, because 363 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:06,719 Speaker 4: the last two games have been arguably one of the 364 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:09,399 Speaker 4: best back to back games for a defensive player I've 365 00:17:09,400 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 4: ever seen. And we watched Watt in the twenty twenty 366 00:17:11,280 --> 00:17:13,880 Speaker 4: four twenty fourteen season, and that is Daniel Hunter. 367 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:14,680 Speaker 3: I'm going with him. 368 00:17:15,080 --> 00:17:17,400 Speaker 4: The Jacks traded Cam Robinson because they want to see 369 00:17:17,440 --> 00:17:21,920 Speaker 4: what they had Walker Little, and so now it's gonna 370 00:17:21,920 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 4: be Walker Little, Anton Harrison against Daniel Hunter and hopefully 371 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:28,400 Speaker 4: Will Anderson Junior. So I'm going with danil. I think 372 00:17:28,440 --> 00:17:32,360 Speaker 4: he has been absolutely extraordinary Pro Bowl level the last 373 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:34,680 Speaker 4: few weeks. He took his sack level from I think 374 00:17:34,680 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 4: it was five and a half going to Dallas game. 375 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 3: It's now ten and a half. I believe. I think 376 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,920 Speaker 3: this was the numbers. Either way, he's been phenomenal. 377 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,359 Speaker 2: He entered that Dallas game leading the NFL in pressures, right, 378 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 2: the sacks hadn't coming. Now the games, Yeah. 379 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 3: He has played. 380 00:17:49,000 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 4: I mean last week three sacks, five TFLs. I mean 381 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 4: just incredible. And I guarantee you Jacksonville will put some 382 00:17:55,800 --> 00:17:58,920 Speaker 4: you know, chips and things against him, and they've been 383 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 4: defeating those. In fact, the one play that went viral 384 00:18:02,119 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 4: on on Twitter was a chip was supposed to be 385 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,560 Speaker 4: a chip by Ezekiel Elliott, but then you'll spun inside 386 00:18:08,560 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 4: to get away from it and he ends up getting 387 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 4: I can't remember if it was a sack or pressure 388 00:18:12,600 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 4: on that play, but it was just incredible to see 389 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,200 Speaker 4: what he's gonna do. So I'm gonna go cream of 390 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 4: the crop against the Jacksonville Jaguars. Danil Hunter do it 391 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,320 Speaker 4: against Walker Little and Cam Robinson. Yeah, because Walker Little 392 00:18:23,359 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 4: and Anthony Harrison. 393 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,200 Speaker 2: You get just one of those that winds up, maybe 394 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:29,320 Speaker 2: more one of those winds up being a strip sack 395 00:18:29,440 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 2: and you recover it. 396 00:18:30,680 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 3: Right, Who knows what that means. It exact possessions we 397 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:34,199 Speaker 3: talked about to start this. 398 00:18:34,359 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 2: Yes, we tied it all back together like the great 399 00:18:36,560 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 2: comedians do. 400 00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:37,679 Speaker 3: Look at that. 401 00:18:39,000 --> 00:18:41,399 Speaker 2: Hey, I'm thankful for you. Like I said, I'm thankful 402 00:18:41,440 --> 00:18:45,320 Speaker 2: for you for checking this podcast out. Hope you have 403 00:18:45,520 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 2: all your turkey, all your ham, all your sides that 404 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 2: you want some fun desserts as well. I hope you're 405 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:54,760 Speaker 2: with the ones you love, and if not, I'm sorry 406 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,680 Speaker 2: that stinks, but we've all been there. My first first 407 00:18:58,880 --> 00:19:01,879 Speaker 2: Thanksgiving away from home, had a ham sandwich to start 408 00:19:01,920 --> 00:19:04,520 Speaker 2: the day, did a sports cast out in Lubbock, and 409 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 2: then got some water Burger for dinner, which was that 410 00:19:06,560 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 2: was nice, but it's more, could have. 411 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 3: Been a lot worse Waurger. It's not bad. 412 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 2: I was employed, I had my health, I was not hungry, 413 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:18,680 Speaker 2: you know, so I can't complain too much, right, Yeah, 414 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:20,959 Speaker 2: all right, man? What was your first Did you ever 415 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:22,160 Speaker 2: have a Thanksgiving away from home? 416 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:22,520 Speaker 3: You know? 417 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,159 Speaker 4: My my actually my first Thanksgiving that I was away 418 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 4: from home tournament. It was probably Paige and I just 419 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 4: having you know, our Thanksgiving dinner and now we've just 420 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:31,719 Speaker 4: expanded it where I went. 421 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's great. It's great. 422 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 4: But uh, the last couple of years it's been just 423 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:41,600 Speaker 4: myself and my son Jack Yes, and we've we've handled 424 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: it and had some fun. 425 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:43,719 Speaker 3: But we got the full family together. 426 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:46,840 Speaker 4: We moved into a new place, awesome, big kitchen, so 427 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,000 Speaker 4: we're gonna be we're gonna be firing up, so it 428 00:19:49,040 --> 00:19:53,040 Speaker 4: should be fun. I will I will selfishly say I 429 00:19:53,040 --> 00:19:55,440 Speaker 4: could use the day off, all right, Yeah you could. 430 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 4: It's been a lot of a lot of things going 431 00:19:57,480 --> 00:20:00,040 Speaker 4: on in the Harris the Harris world, John hair this 432 00:20:00,160 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 4: world lately. So get a day off will be kind 433 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 4: of nice on Thursday, and then get on the bird 434 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,960 Speaker 4: Saturday and go beat Jackson on Sunday. 435 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:08,480 Speaker 2: Stuart, all right, man, good to be with you. Great 436 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 2: to be with you. We'll see you again soon. This 437 00:20:10,240 --> 00:20:12,120 Speaker 2: is in the Lab presented by Infinity