1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,479 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel, Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 2: What's up everybody walking and move the stick DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,160 --> 00:00:12,240 Speaker 2: back with you. Buck. We've been traveling, We've been on 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,760 Speaker 2: the road. Do you have flashbacks? Do you have any 5 00:00:14,800 --> 00:00:18,520 Speaker 2: scouting flashbacks? I had one. I'll tell you about. Let's 6 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 2: see what flashbacks did I have. 7 00:00:20,200 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: The only flashback that I had when when I was 8 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: in Minneapolis, got in kind of late. The hotel where 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: I Stadium is attached to Mall of America, so I 10 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to make, as. 11 00:00:30,560 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 2: You would love this, a Chick fil A run. Oh nice. 12 00:00:33,159 --> 00:00:34,480 Speaker 2: It made a little Chick fil A run. 13 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: And then they had like a little donuts shop there, 14 00:00:37,159 --> 00:00:41,000 Speaker 1: little Duck Donuts, going to get a donut from scratch 15 00:00:41,040 --> 00:00:43,559 Speaker 1: and then DJ you know what, called it to night. 16 00:00:43,760 --> 00:00:45,279 Speaker 2: It was just like it's just like on the road. 17 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,919 Speaker 2: Didn't have to bit you anywhere. Everything was right there. 18 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:48,880 Speaker 2: So it was kind of cool. 19 00:00:49,560 --> 00:00:52,160 Speaker 1: The facility was like five minutes away from where I state. 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 2: Easy Psy. Yeah. I hit chickplate twice. I hit chick 21 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 2: flate twice when I was on the road. You believe 22 00:00:57,880 --> 00:01:00,400 Speaker 2: that I'll give you my moment. I've told you this before. 23 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,280 Speaker 2: Ron Marsenak, who was a legendary old scout with the Ravens, 24 00:01:03,600 --> 00:01:06,319 Speaker 2: he used to always keep notes on on his visits 25 00:01:06,360 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 2: and where to park, and who the liaison was, and 26 00:01:08,400 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: who the academic advisor was and what time they usually 27 00:01:10,920 --> 00:01:13,160 Speaker 2: have practice. He had a note on every school. And 28 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:15,679 Speaker 2: then I remember he would have hotel grades on every 29 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:19,240 Speaker 2: where we stay in the hotel grade. You would think 30 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:22,440 Speaker 2: you would do a hotel grade off the bed, the service, 31 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 2: the location, the parking, the valet. No, no, no, it was 32 00:01:25,640 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 2: one one one criteria. It was the thickness of the towels. 33 00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 2: And I had to stay out in Latrobe. I'm not 34 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:32,880 Speaker 2: going to put the hotel on blast, but it was 35 00:01:32,920 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 2: not you know, it wasn't a serious hotel. It was 36 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 2: a thin towel. Buck. It was a very thin towel. 37 00:01:38,800 --> 00:01:41,280 Speaker 2: And I remember thinking like, yeah, coach Ron, he's this 38 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:43,880 Speaker 2: is off the list. He's not staying there again. Not 39 00:01:44,000 --> 00:01:46,120 Speaker 2: very absorbit. That would be a problem. That'd be a 40 00:01:46,120 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 2: little problem. You almost need two of them when you 41 00:01:47,960 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: get out of the shower, like this thing is already soaked. 42 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,520 Speaker 2: But anyways, a fun, fun trips. We're going to get 43 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 2: to all of our stops and what we learned at 44 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 2: the places we and teams we visited with. We'll get 45 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:00,920 Speaker 2: to all that and just a moment, but I do 46 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 2: want to start out. We always keep a little bit 47 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: of a toe in the college game as we're going 48 00:02:06,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: through the year. Obviously we'll be talking about a lot 49 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 2: of the kids as we get towards the draft. But 50 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:13,160 Speaker 2: big picture college football, we saw major upheaval which has 51 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:16,960 Speaker 2: happened a bunch over the last few years. The Pac twelve, technically, 52 00:02:17,000 --> 00:02:19,639 Speaker 2: I guess still exists. There's four teams left. We saw 53 00:02:19,760 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 2: mass exodus to the Big twelve. We saw Oregon and 54 00:02:22,800 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 2: Washington go to the Big ten. Your thoughts from a 55 00:02:26,760 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 2: personnel side, and then maybe we'll get to the fan perspective, 56 00:02:29,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: but just from a personnel side. 57 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:33,960 Speaker 1: Okay, see DJ, So now what you've done for me? 58 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:36,720 Speaker 1: I'm just thinking from an area scout, right. Yeah, when 59 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:38,840 Speaker 1: you're an area scout and you're out west, like you 60 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,480 Speaker 1: had all of the conference right back then, we would 61 00:02:41,520 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: have like the Mountain West to whack the pack. You 62 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:45,520 Speaker 1: would take care of all of those and you can 63 00:02:45,520 --> 00:02:47,360 Speaker 1: see all those schools. It was rare that one of 64 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: those schools kind of fell outside your jurisdiction. Well, now 65 00:02:51,040 --> 00:02:52,919 Speaker 1: imagine being a West Coast scout. 66 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 2: You have. 67 00:02:55,480 --> 00:02:58,160 Speaker 1: USC UCLA, but then you got all these Big ten schools, 68 00:02:58,680 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: and so now does that mean I'm a cross check 69 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: the Big ten schools like all this other stuff like 70 00:03:04,919 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: before where we would switch areas? Does that expand what 71 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,560 Speaker 1: my responsibilities are in terms of that? I just I 72 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 1: just think it makes it. It makes it crazier. And 73 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:16,800 Speaker 1: now also you have the Big twelve and so DJ, 74 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: what used to be a thing when you would grade 75 00:03:20,080 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: like you kind of knew, like, hey, DJ's out West, 76 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: I know what his His seven to zero in the 77 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 1: PAC twelve is my blankety blank in the SEC because 78 00:03:28,840 --> 00:03:32,320 Speaker 1: you kind of understand who they're playing against now, But DJ, 79 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,080 Speaker 1: now you're gonna have basically like two maybe three area 80 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,080 Speaker 1: scouts responsible for the same conference. And depending on how 81 00:03:40,160 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 1: everyone kind of views the game, like those grades within 82 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: those conferences can be a little challenging when it comes 83 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: to it, and it may not make sense on a 84 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:52,119 Speaker 1: bigger thing, but I think you understand when it comes 85 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: to like now we got two guys working in the 86 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: same conference and we're seeing different schools. At some point 87 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: we might have to match set up so we can 88 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: get a balance in the grades when it comes to 89 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: the final, the final stuff, when we're kind of stacking 90 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: the board. 91 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 2: It's a good point. You know, you're gonna have a 92 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,400 Speaker 2: lot of different eyeballs on players, i think earlier in 93 00:04:11,400 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: the process, whereas we would get to that later, you know, 94 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 2: because we're going to see a lot of scouty you 95 00:04:16,120 --> 00:04:18,920 Speaker 2: go to live games, body type guys, see guys. It's 96 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:21,560 Speaker 2: gonna save on travel for you know, for the higher 97 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: up guys. So if you're a cross checker, if you're 98 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: a national scout, a college director, what have you, you're 99 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: going to see more good players coming into your area 100 00:04:28,600 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 2: as opposed to having to fan out to go see 101 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:32,800 Speaker 2: all these guys. One of my first thoughts, Buck was 102 00:04:33,520 --> 00:04:35,919 Speaker 2: we talked about this with sc and UCLA going to 103 00:04:36,040 --> 00:04:38,800 Speaker 2: the Big Ten, which was, man, it's hard. It's kind 104 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: of been hard the last couple of years to evaluate 105 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 2: offense and defensive linemen in the pack because they weren't 106 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: seen as many NFL linemen in their in their conference schedule. 107 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 2: Now they step out of conference and you'll see a 108 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: gaming as LSU or this team of that team. Okay, 109 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,120 Speaker 2: you could you can find out. We were like, oh man, 110 00:04:54,120 --> 00:04:55,839 Speaker 2: this is great for scouts because now we're going to 111 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 2: see sc go up against NFL offensive tackles and we're 112 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,000 Speaker 2: going to see, you know, the other side of the 113 00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 2: as well. It's gonna help with the evaluation process with 114 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 2: them getting more NFL players in competition. I was thinking 115 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:08,479 Speaker 2: of the Big Twelve. Remember we've talked about the Big twelve. 116 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:10,800 Speaker 2: It is let's let it loose, man. They're throwing the 117 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:12,640 Speaker 2: ball over the place. It is high powered offense. They 118 00:05:12,720 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 2: kind of set the trend for where college football went 119 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,280 Speaker 2: with the spread and the air raid. All that stuff 120 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 2: kind of came out of that part of the country 121 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 2: with that. With those offenses, I think it's great you 122 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 2: take Utah. It's like, hey, with these Big twelve offense, 123 00:05:25,680 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if he can play. Is he good? 124 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 2: Is he not good? Well, you're gonna find out because 125 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,000 Speaker 2: they play Utah. They're gonna find out because those are 126 00:05:31,080 --> 00:05:34,040 Speaker 2: rugged NFL players, They're tough, and now you're gonna get 127 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:35,920 Speaker 2: to see these guys go up against them on a 128 00:05:36,000 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 2: yearly basis. So I think from an evaluator standpoint, you 129 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 2: can see more teams without having to go out and 130 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 2: you're gonna see good on good more and more. So. 131 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna we'll see what happens with the 132 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:48,839 Speaker 2: conference schedule. How many conference games these these conference are 133 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,200 Speaker 2: going to end up playing. I would imagine with the 134 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:53,559 Speaker 2: expanded playoffs, I think they'll probably play more conference games. 135 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: It makes more sense because, hey, if we lose one 136 00:05:55,440 --> 00:05:57,920 Speaker 2: in our season's not over. But we can share that 137 00:05:57,960 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 2: revenue and you know, and have good quality oponents, will 138 00:06:00,520 --> 00:06:02,839 Speaker 2: put more people in the stands versus playing some cupcakes. 139 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:05,839 Speaker 2: I think it's gonna be Personally, I think this could 140 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:09,440 Speaker 2: be bad for some of the schools outside the Power 141 00:06:09,520 --> 00:06:11,480 Speaker 2: five they're going to have. I they're gonna have tough 142 00:06:11,480 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: time getting some of these games if these conference games expand, No, 143 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,599 Speaker 2: they are going to have some tough times giving that. 144 00:06:18,680 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: But going back to what you talk about personnel and 145 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: how it impacts it, we have seen in the last 146 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 1: few years the Big Twelve you couldn't get defenders that 147 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: were draftable. Remember I think there were years where they 148 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:31,920 Speaker 1: didn't have any defenders like go to the COMBA. 149 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: Not many if any went to the COMBA. 150 00:06:34,200 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: When now that changes, Utah comes in, I think what 151 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 1: Arizona Arizona State comes in there. 152 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 2: So it had changed Colorado now. 153 00:06:41,080 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 1: To Colorado, So that has changed that dynamic a little bit. 154 00:06:43,680 --> 00:06:45,800 Speaker 1: I also think it had changed the way that people play. 155 00:06:46,040 --> 00:06:48,600 Speaker 1: Somebody's going to have to adapt and adjust. So either 156 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,360 Speaker 1: Colorado or Utah, Arizon Arizona State, they're going to have 157 00:06:51,400 --> 00:06:53,960 Speaker 1: to adapt and become more wide open like the rest 158 00:06:53,960 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: of the back twelve, or they're kind of slow down, 159 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:01,159 Speaker 1: beat you up style is going to wars the Big 160 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 1: twelve to kind of change when it comes to Oregon 161 00:07:04,240 --> 00:07:07,599 Speaker 1: and Washington joining usc U c l A making a 162 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,760 Speaker 1: move to the Big n to mean that that's when 163 00:07:09,760 --> 00:07:13,440 Speaker 1: it becomes really interesting because these games that would have 164 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:18,520 Speaker 1: been uh but non league games, they become really interesting 165 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: to see Michigan go to U doub to see. 166 00:07:21,400 --> 00:07:24,840 Speaker 2: Great matchups, like awesome matchups. Yeah. 167 00:07:24,960 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: So so now within the conference, you're talking about some 168 00:07:27,880 --> 00:07:30,600 Speaker 1: heavy hitters and the way they divvy that game up 169 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:33,000 Speaker 1: if they have the conference title game, I mean. 170 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: You have some big, huge games and. 171 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: So, uh, look, I hate it for the schools like 172 00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,960 Speaker 1: look Wazoo being. 173 00:07:42,280 --> 00:07:46,080 Speaker 2: State, Stanford and cow we don't know what's gonna happen 174 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 2: with them. 175 00:07:46,680 --> 00:07:49,360 Speaker 1: I hate it for them, But on the bigger picture thing, 176 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: you talk about being able to put these loaded conferences, 177 00:07:51,960 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 1: it'll be you gotta deal with the travel. I don't 178 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:58,000 Speaker 1: know how from the budget standpoint, how they're gonna deal 179 00:07:58,040 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: with the travel, But I mean you talking about some 180 00:08:01,200 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: head knocker games with those four teams from the Pack 181 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,040 Speaker 1: joining Man Oregon this. 182 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 2: But at least like for those other sports outside of football, 183 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,640 Speaker 2: now like now you can make a legit West Coast swing. 184 00:08:11,680 --> 00:08:13,640 Speaker 2: It's not just SC and UCLA. Now you can just 185 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: go up and hit you know, Oregon and Washington and 186 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 2: you just kind of have that's your week. You know, 187 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,720 Speaker 2: if you're playing basketball or whatever, you're probably out there 188 00:08:19,720 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: for a week hitting those four teams. 189 00:08:21,360 --> 00:08:23,400 Speaker 1: So what I wondered, I was because Red was with 190 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 1: mister Big ten, and I was like, you know what 191 00:08:26,000 --> 00:08:29,040 Speaker 1: I wondered, Like the way that conference is stretched out 192 00:08:29,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: from C to C in basketball, I just think about, man, 193 00:08:33,360 --> 00:08:34,760 Speaker 1: you know what they could do. They could post up 194 00:08:34,800 --> 00:08:37,600 Speaker 1: in Chicago for like a big weekend and have a 195 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: couple of teams play at a neutral site. Cut the 196 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,360 Speaker 1: travel down. That's a great idea. I'm like, you can 197 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: have not like not a tournament, but you can have 198 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: like many invitationals and you can do a few different 199 00:08:48,200 --> 00:08:49,240 Speaker 1: things or whatever. 200 00:08:49,320 --> 00:08:51,840 Speaker 2: But DJ, there's no reason why they couldn't do some 201 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:52,280 Speaker 2: of that. 202 00:08:52,559 --> 00:08:55,400 Speaker 1: In football, you think about the Great Arenas, like you 203 00:08:55,440 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: think about Lucas O'refield and what they could do in 204 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: Anyana because I know they have the conference championship game, 205 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,280 Speaker 1: but how about we have some doubleheaders, you know, where 206 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,480 Speaker 1: you have a couple of teams there. If you think 207 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: outside the box, it really opens up what you can create. 208 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 1: If you're talking about, hey man, let's get all eyes 209 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:16,560 Speaker 1: on our conference, do something a little different than we've 210 00:09:16,600 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: seen before and do it that way. 211 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:21,240 Speaker 2: I think that stuff could be fun. It feels like 212 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,800 Speaker 2: eventually we'll see probably the ACC get Pilford, and then 213 00:09:25,000 --> 00:09:27,080 Speaker 2: you'll see those kind of splinter a little bit, and 214 00:09:27,080 --> 00:09:28,920 Speaker 2: then we're going to be left with the two and 215 00:09:28,920 --> 00:09:31,160 Speaker 2: it's going to be the NFL, it's the AFC, and 216 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: it's the NFC, it's the SEC and the Big Ten. 217 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 2: And then you got to go through the playoffs on 218 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:38,080 Speaker 2: your side to come out the champion here, come out 219 00:09:38,080 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 2: the champion here. And that seems like that's the playoff. 220 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 2: I mean, that seems like that's where that's hell to me. 221 00:09:43,440 --> 00:09:45,960 Speaker 1: In a perfect world, you would just have like four 222 00:09:46,040 --> 00:09:49,560 Speaker 1: big conferences, right, so if the ACC can hang, but 223 00:09:49,679 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: like the. 224 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:51,840 Speaker 2: Problem is no way though, there's too many teams now 225 00:09:51,920 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: in those other two conferences. You know, in a perfect 226 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:56,319 Speaker 2: world you did. But yeah, if it breaks up to two, 227 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 2: you have that. 228 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:59,800 Speaker 1: And if you make it like the NFL, like how 229 00:09:59,800 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: many teams going in the playoffs? 230 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: Fourteen? I mean I think you can do. You can 231 00:10:03,679 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 2: do the same thing there. 232 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 1: You have your playoffs and it becomes the college football 233 00:10:07,720 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: version of the Super Bowl run and do it that way. 234 00:10:10,640 --> 00:10:11,440 Speaker 2: It look. 235 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:14,240 Speaker 1: I know it's bad in the immediate because you're like, oh, 236 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: tradition and all that, and that part is bad, Yes 237 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 1: it is, But the balls is going to be so 238 00:10:18,920 --> 00:10:22,560 Speaker 1: much better because now in conference I want to see 239 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,000 Speaker 1: good on good. I want to see the best teams 240 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: have to play each other. And so that's the only 241 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: way to get it. 242 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 2: Here's here's my question. I don't I'm not taking a 243 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: shot at Washington State. They've had some good teams there 244 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:35,160 Speaker 2: over the years. But if i'm if I'm a Washington 245 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:37,439 Speaker 2: fan and be like, oh, you know, you're going to 246 00:10:37,800 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 2: the people say you're losing the rivalry. It's Washington watched State, 247 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 2: Like really, like you tell me I get to have 248 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 2: Ohio State come here, Like I'm paying for my season tickets. 249 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 2: I'd rather go watch the Husky, the Buckeyesyer State, Penn State. 250 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, heck, yeah, we even get Wisconsin to come out. 251 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,080 Speaker 1: I mean you have some names. Now, you probably won't 252 00:10:56,080 --> 00:10:58,040 Speaker 1: be as excited if like Rutgers has to make the 253 00:10:58,080 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 1: trip and some. 254 00:10:59,040 --> 00:10:59,679 Speaker 2: Of those things. 255 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean it's a little it's a little different. 256 00:11:02,320 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 1: But those heavy hitters, when they're on your schedule every 257 00:11:06,000 --> 00:11:09,680 Speaker 1: two three years, mean it's gonna be worth the price 258 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:10,200 Speaker 1: of your mission. 259 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:13,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. So anyways, big big shake up there in college football. 260 00:11:13,559 --> 00:11:14,839 Speaker 2: But we've got a lot of NFL we want to 261 00:11:14,840 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 2: get to with our training camp swing. So let's just 262 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:18,559 Speaker 2: take a quick break. We'll come back and we'll get 263 00:11:18,559 --> 00:11:24,840 Speaker 2: to those trips. All right, Buck, I know I'm gonna 264 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:26,920 Speaker 2: I have not asked you this, so I'm gonna jump 265 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:30,319 Speaker 2: on the first question here with our stops, because San Francisco, 266 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: you got a chance to go up there and watch 267 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 2: that group. I want first impressions, I want quarterback feedback, 268 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 2: and I want if you were able to dig in 269 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 2: a little bit on something we've talked about in the past, 270 00:11:41,559 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: which is, I think the greatest rivalry in the NFL 271 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 2: right now that nobody knows is the greatest rivalry between 272 00:11:46,280 --> 00:11:49,120 Speaker 2: the forty nine ers and the Eagles. Oh yeah, DJ. 273 00:11:50,160 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: First things First, First time I've been to San Francisco 274 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 1: in a long time. And DJ, when you walk out, 275 00:11:54,559 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: you remember the feeling that you would get when you 276 00:11:56,360 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: would go to se when it was in its prime 277 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:00,120 Speaker 1: or Alabama where. 278 00:12:00,160 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 2: It just looks different. DJ. 279 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 1: They built different Now. They are bigger, faster, stronger. I 280 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:09,559 Speaker 1: mean they are when you look at them, you see, Okay, 281 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: this is how it goes. Because I'm there with Leslie 282 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,080 Speaker 1: Fraser when I was asking coach Fraser like, hey, coach, 283 00:12:14,120 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: when you look at the team, is like, as a 284 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: coach in the NFL, did you have a way that 285 00:12:18,760 --> 00:12:19,960 Speaker 1: you wanted your team to look? 286 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 2: He was like, oh, yeah, like that, get off the bus. 287 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,440 Speaker 2: Test matters. DJ. They are built. 288 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:28,480 Speaker 1: I mean they built like superheroes. I mean from Deebo 289 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:32,480 Speaker 1: Samuel to Trent Williams to Fred Warner. They have a 290 00:12:32,679 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: collection of prototypes out there. Christian McCaffrey and when you 291 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:40,200 Speaker 1: watch them work, they work at a pace that you 292 00:12:40,320 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: understand how and why they beat teams up. 293 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 2: You know, you talk to their. 294 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:46,640 Speaker 1: Coaches and they're like, hey, man, this is just kind 295 00:12:46,640 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: of the program that is in place, and they're young 296 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,160 Speaker 1: enough where everyone just jumps on board dj there's a 297 00:12:52,240 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 1: level of physicality to their practices that kind of take 298 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 1: your breath away, Like and it wasn't a heavy day, 299 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: but you could tell that they get after it. And 300 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: what was funny is going to the Niners after visiting 301 00:13:06,240 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 1: the Minnesota Vikings. I guess last year they had a 302 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,800 Speaker 1: joint practice and everybody talked about how the Vikings were 303 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: like whoa, whoa. 304 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 2: That's a different different level, different level, different. 305 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,720 Speaker 1: Level of intensity and those things. And for the Niners 306 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:21,199 Speaker 1: they're like, I mean, we just do what we do. 307 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:23,560 Speaker 1: And so they say that when they have joint practices 308 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of time it ends up in some kerfuffles 309 00:13:25,840 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: because people are adjusting to how they get down the 310 00:13:29,200 --> 00:13:30,280 Speaker 1: physicality and stuff. 311 00:13:31,400 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 2: They look good. 312 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 1: So as it relates to the quarterback, Brod Perdy was 313 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,679 Speaker 1: able to throw and run do his thing a little bit. 314 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,200 Speaker 1: So you got a chance to see that Trey Lance 315 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: was in the mix and doing that. But I'm be 316 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:46,520 Speaker 1: honest with you, the conversation is Sam Donald really Yeah, 317 00:13:46,559 --> 00:13:52,120 Speaker 1: The conversation is about Sam Donald's talent, the reclamation project 318 00:13:52,400 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: that he could be, the lessons that the Niners learned, 319 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: and we always reacted to that. When you get beat 320 00:13:58,320 --> 00:14:01,080 Speaker 1: a certain weight in the playoffs, it changes the way 321 00:14:01,160 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 1: that you approach it. 322 00:14:02,160 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 2: The fact that they were. 323 00:14:03,040 --> 00:14:06,720 Speaker 1: Able they had to finish a championship game without a quarterback. 324 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 2: They never want that to happen again. 325 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,719 Speaker 1: So DJ, even if it's a MAYB, we will keep 326 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 1: Purty Lance and Donald. 327 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 2: We're prepared to do that. 328 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,200 Speaker 1: We will never be in a situation where we don't 329 00:14:18,240 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: have a quarterback that can get us through a game 330 00:14:21,200 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 1: and not just like a take the snap or whatever. 331 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 1: But DJ, they lost the championship game because they lost 332 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:28,640 Speaker 1: their quarterbacks. Not saying that Philip wasn't a better team, 333 00:14:28,640 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 1: but they had no chance. And so I just think 334 00:14:31,000 --> 00:14:33,520 Speaker 1: that they are taking the mindset we are going to 335 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: make sure that we're deep and talented at the quarterback position, 336 00:14:36,600 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: and they feel like Sam Donald has a chance to 337 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: end their system with their coaching, to maybe realize some 338 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:45,600 Speaker 1: of the potential that he just played when he was 339 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:45,960 Speaker 1: at SC. 340 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 2: That's fascinating. Man, anything on Trey at all in terms 341 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:51,760 Speaker 2: of progress there. 342 00:14:51,840 --> 00:14:53,800 Speaker 1: You know, it's hard like so got a chance to 343 00:14:53,800 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: watch him throw it around, and I feel bad for 344 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: him because, man, any errant pass. 345 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 2: Oh it's going to getting posted, no subscribble. 346 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:04,840 Speaker 1: Look, he was fine running the offense and doing those things. 347 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,320 Speaker 1: I would say that the difference in Trey Lance and 348 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:13,080 Speaker 1: Brock Purdy Bark Purdy has a command and a confidence 349 00:15:13,120 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 1: that he's playing with, where he doesn't have the outward 350 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: uncertainty that is cloud in his play. I think there's 351 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 1: some uncertainty in Trey Lance's play. Some of that is 352 00:15:23,520 --> 00:15:27,160 Speaker 1: probably the confidence, the outside noise in those things. He's 353 00:15:27,200 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 1: not quite one hundred percent decisive and definitive when it 354 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,120 Speaker 1: comes to I'm going with the ball here right now. 355 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 1: Rock Purdy has that. Sam Donald has that, but DJ 356 00:15:37,240 --> 00:15:39,760 Speaker 1: we would say experience gives you the opportunity to do that. 357 00:15:39,800 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: Both of those guys. Purdy came with a lot of 358 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: experience from college. Sam Donald's played a lot of ball 359 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 1: in the pros. It's just different levels to it. 360 00:15:46,920 --> 00:15:50,240 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's interesting, good stuff there. Any other any 361 00:15:50,240 --> 00:15:52,240 Speaker 2: other takeaways any of the young guys. How about how 362 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:56,920 Speaker 2: about Ayuk because you talked about kind of special guys 363 00:15:56,960 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 2: with his length and his athleticism, and we saw it 364 00:15:59,160 --> 00:15:59,600 Speaker 2: last year. 365 00:16:00,120 --> 00:16:04,640 Speaker 1: Just I would say just the versatility and interchangeability of 366 00:16:04,680 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 1: their wide receivers Debo A Yuk. I mean even some 367 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,200 Speaker 1: of the other guys they got really snead out there. 368 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: They got Joss. I mean, they have a bunch of 369 00:16:12,720 --> 00:16:15,880 Speaker 2: big bodies that are kind of floating and moving around. 370 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:19,080 Speaker 1: And one thing when you go all in on drafting 371 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:23,240 Speaker 1: and signing prototypes, they all look like they can play. 372 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: Now we'll see if they all can play. 373 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: But from one to one hundred to one to ninety 374 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: DJ all they guys look like they're they're ready to 375 00:16:31,480 --> 00:16:34,680 Speaker 1: There was anyone who was like, aah, he's just a 376 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:38,000 Speaker 1: camp body, and so they looked at Barb. But yeah, Brandon, 377 00:16:38,040 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: I look like he's ready to pop. And he and Deebo, 378 00:16:41,120 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: the competition that they have in at wide receiver room, 379 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:45,280 Speaker 1: I think that brings up the best in them. 380 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: Nice I was out at Philly and that was the 381 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:52,200 Speaker 2: first stop on this last little tour, and we were 382 00:16:52,240 --> 00:16:53,440 Speaker 2: set up in the parking lot, so I didn't get 383 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: see a stitch of practice. So after practice over, got 384 00:16:55,920 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: a chance to go talk to everybody in the personnel 385 00:16:57,560 --> 00:17:00,280 Speaker 2: department and talk to you know, players, coaches, every buddy 386 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 2: kind of get a good sense of where everything is. 387 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 2: And some of the takeaways there, Uh, DeAndre Swift's gonna 388 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: catch ba zillion balls out of the backfield. So I 389 00:17:08,680 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 2: believe he's gonna be a big part of their passing game. 390 00:17:11,400 --> 00:17:14,679 Speaker 2: So that's that. They said, AJ Brown is on another 391 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 2: level from where he was last year. The familiarity. Think 392 00:17:17,280 --> 00:17:19,280 Speaker 2: about how good he was last year. Now there's a familiarity. 393 00:17:19,680 --> 00:17:21,479 Speaker 2: AJ told me he's like, look, me and Jalen are 394 00:17:21,520 --> 00:17:24,359 Speaker 2: best friends. Like they throw together the whole offseason, like 395 00:17:24,400 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 2: they're they're on the same page. So a J Brown 396 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: early take him early is while I'm getting to in 397 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 2: fantasy he'll put up big numbers. From that standpoint, but 398 00:17:32,800 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 2: depth offensive line, defensive line. They were showing me some 399 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 2: plays on their phones of Jalen Carter, and I guess 400 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:41,359 Speaker 2: some of the some of it. Some of the reaction 401 00:17:41,480 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 2: Philly has been, Oh, he hasn't done something, he hasn't 402 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 2: flashed this, that and the other. I'm like, well, I 403 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:46,120 Speaker 2: don't know, I saw a couple of plays on the phone, 404 00:17:46,119 --> 00:17:48,560 Speaker 2: and that looks like some freaky stuff what I saw, 405 00:17:49,359 --> 00:17:51,639 Speaker 2: So that that ability is all in there. Jordan Davis 406 00:17:51,720 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: is kind of taking the next step as well. One 407 00:17:54,080 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 2: of the takeaways I got, which I want to get 408 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 2: your take on, is talking about they have like seven 409 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,840 Speaker 2: Alabama guys and seven Georgia guys. Right. So I was 410 00:18:02,880 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 2: talking to someone on the field and they said, I 411 00:18:06,400 --> 00:18:08,360 Speaker 2: was like, man, lot, all these Georgia guys always Alabama guys. 412 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 2: So you know the great thing about it two things. 413 00:18:09,800 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: Number one, they all know how to practice. So like 414 00:18:13,560 --> 00:18:15,400 Speaker 2: the guys in the front seven, No, you don't touch 415 00:18:15,440 --> 00:18:17,199 Speaker 2: the quarterback like you don't have to yell at them 416 00:18:17,200 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: for that kind of stuff. Like they just they know 417 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:20,800 Speaker 2: how to pro practice in terms of how you take 418 00:18:20,840 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 2: care of each other. But you go hard. And he 419 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 2: said the other thing is because those programs are so 420 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:27,800 Speaker 2: deep and so loaded. You know what, I'm a little 421 00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,800 Speaker 2: sore today. I'm going to take a couple of days off. 422 00:18:31,119 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 2: No you not, because the guy behind you might take 423 00:18:33,119 --> 00:18:35,000 Speaker 2: your job and you aren't getting it back. He said. 424 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,880 Speaker 2: These guys all pushed through like the training camp. Nixon 425 00:18:38,200 --> 00:18:40,639 Speaker 2: and bumps and bruises that other guys kind of shut 426 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 2: things down and are very cautious. He's like, these guys 427 00:18:43,440 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: don't do that, man, Like they practice hard and they 428 00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 2: are always in fear of the guy behind him. 429 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,080 Speaker 1: You know, there's the thing in John Fox when I 430 00:18:51,080 --> 00:18:53,840 Speaker 1: was with the Carolina Panthers, he was big on and 431 00:18:53,880 --> 00:18:56,359 Speaker 1: maybe want to draft guys from winning programs. You know, 432 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:59,200 Speaker 1: winners win DJ and because once you crack the code 433 00:18:59,240 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: on winning, you kind of know what it takes. And 434 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 1: if you have a team full of guys that have 435 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: cracked it in terms of they want at a high level, 436 00:19:05,640 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: it kind of permeates your entire team. And so let's 437 00:19:08,680 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: think about the Eagles, right, And Jalen Hurts to me, man, 438 00:19:12,680 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts. I know he finished at Oklahoma, but he's 439 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:18,640 Speaker 1: epitome of Nick Saban and the process, and every time 440 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: he talks in the pressor it is all about, hey, man, 441 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:24,120 Speaker 1: we got to focus on what's right here in front 442 00:19:24,119 --> 00:19:25,840 Speaker 1: of us. We can't worry about all that other stuff. 443 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: We've got to be locked in the standard all those things. 444 00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:30,560 Speaker 1: And so when you have I mean, you just talked 445 00:19:30,560 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: about fourteen guys from either Alabama or Georgia. What is 446 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:35,960 Speaker 1: spoken about it Georgia is very similar to what it's 447 00:19:35,960 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: talked about and discussed the Alabama. And so now you 448 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: have a team full of guys who understand what it's 449 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,520 Speaker 1: like to win and win all the time. With DJ, 450 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: there's some satisfaction in knowing, Oh, there's gonna be no 451 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:55,240 Speaker 1: complacency here. We're looking for consistency over complacency. We want 452 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:58,320 Speaker 1: to consistently play at this top level so we can 453 00:19:58,400 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 1: go back and do the stuff that we did last year. 454 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: To me, that is worth is waiting gold. And so 455 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: if you're going to have a team with guys they 456 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: get it. Oh, and it gives you a chance to 457 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: have a team. 458 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:11,200 Speaker 2: That is always In a conversation, been in title contender, 459 00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:14,600 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on on coaching your best player hard? 460 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,920 Speaker 2: Because I was I wasn't out there during this portion 461 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: of practice. It was much talked about from everybody after practice, 462 00:20:20,600 --> 00:20:21,919 Speaker 2: But I guess there was a play. I think they 463 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:23,880 Speaker 2: were in a two minute in doing a two minute 464 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 2: drill and hurts where they needed maybe five yards ten 465 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:31,040 Speaker 2: yards to be in field goal range in the clock's 466 00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: winding down, and he takes off and runs and he gives, 467 00:20:33,960 --> 00:20:36,920 Speaker 2: you know, twenty yards and then I think he went down. 468 00:20:36,960 --> 00:20:38,359 Speaker 2: I don't think he gave the ball right back to 469 00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 2: the official, and I guess Sirianni just unloaded on him, 470 00:20:43,480 --> 00:20:46,879 Speaker 2: you know, like basically everything like you know, no awareness, 471 00:20:46,960 --> 00:20:49,240 Speaker 2: like this is selfish, get your get down, get the 472 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 2: ball of the official. You don't need those extra yards. 473 00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:53,200 Speaker 2: Just went off on him to the point and I 474 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:55,320 Speaker 2: guess Hurts maybe said a little something back within it stopped, 475 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:56,840 Speaker 2: and then Jalen went and did some push ups on 476 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 2: the side, like on his own, like a little self 477 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 2: punishment thing. I'm sure he's probably done this as whole career. 478 00:21:00,840 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 2: But and we talked to Sirianni after practice, and he 479 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:07,280 Speaker 2: talked about how, you know, we coach everybody hard. You know, 480 00:21:07,280 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who it is. And the good thing 481 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,159 Speaker 2: is we've got guys with that take it, that they 482 00:21:11,320 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 2: understand and and there's an intensity to it. But I 483 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:16,879 Speaker 2: was thinking, you hear all those stories about Belichick, how 484 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,640 Speaker 2: hard he would get on Tom Brady, and the message 485 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 2: that that sends to the rest of the room was like, 486 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: holy crud, Like tom Brady's getting that, Like who and 487 00:21:24,920 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 2: who I am? I better. I better be on my 488 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: my uh dot my eyes across my t's here. 489 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's that's everything. D. The best thing 490 00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:35,199 Speaker 1: that your best player can do it is allow you 491 00:21:35,240 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: to coach him. You know all the great coaches Papovich 492 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,840 Speaker 1: talked about that in basketball Bill Belichick. Certainly we understand 493 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,480 Speaker 1: Tom Brady allowed him to coach him hard and do 494 00:21:44,560 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 1: those things because you know, once the money is paid, 495 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,560 Speaker 1: because Jalen Hurst, once he signs that big deal, he's 496 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:50,400 Speaker 1: a hey. 497 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: Coach, he look, you know, talk to me like we 498 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 2: need to do it. 499 00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:57,160 Speaker 1: But in taking that, it allows Nick Sirianni to set 500 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 1: to stand it for everybody else because everyone knows QB 501 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 1: one is everything in Philadelphia, and if he can get 502 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,680 Speaker 1: on him like that, he can get on any of us. 503 00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: And what you also want is you want your best 504 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:14,040 Speaker 1: player to understand a man situational focus, understand what we're 505 00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:17,399 Speaker 1: doing and why we're doing it, because now it empowers 506 00:22:17,480 --> 00:22:20,640 Speaker 1: him to get on others who aren't doing those things 507 00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,320 Speaker 1: in that situation. So I love it, But to do it, 508 00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:26,240 Speaker 1: coaching players got to have a great relationship, so Nick 509 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:30,040 Speaker 1: Sirianna has to always work on that relationship. So it 510 00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 1: doesn't become personal. It's just a professional conversation, not a 511 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,240 Speaker 1: personal one. And so if you can get to that 512 00:22:36,320 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: part where Jalen knows that Nick really cares about him 513 00:22:40,440 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: as the person, well then you can take the hard 514 00:22:42,920 --> 00:22:45,600 Speaker 1: coach because you know, this is my best interest to 515 00:22:45,640 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 1: be the best player that I can be. 516 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 2: Mal Yeah, I think that's huge. I think you talk 517 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:51,879 Speaker 2: about the Spurs and Popovich like I think you probably 518 00:22:51,920 --> 00:22:53,520 Speaker 2: go to a lot of different sports and find that 519 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 2: connection between your best player and your lead and your 520 00:22:56,320 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: coach and what that relationship looks like and how that 521 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 2: sets the tone. It really does tone for the entire organization. 522 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 2: One of the takeaway from Eagles and we'll get on 523 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,920 Speaker 2: to Steelers, but looking out at the roster, just going 524 00:23:06,960 --> 00:23:10,600 Speaker 2: through it everything, I mean, they're in great shape depth everywhere. 525 00:23:10,720 --> 00:23:14,200 Speaker 2: The one position is safety where they've got a bunch 526 00:23:14,200 --> 00:23:16,040 Speaker 2: of names. They've got a bunch of solids, you know, 527 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,959 Speaker 2: like maybe we'd say there's some reds, you know, some 528 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: red players in there, but there's no elite players. There's 529 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: no special players. And Sydney Brown, I think has got 530 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 2: a chance to be really good. The rookie from from Illinois, 531 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:29,719 Speaker 2: it's like Cavon Wallace. They've got a bunch of guys, 532 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,240 Speaker 2: but there's nobody that I'm like, Man, if you're if 533 00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 2: this is like all in push super Bowl, you know, 534 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,560 Speaker 2: this is kind of getting towards the end of Lane Johnson. 535 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,159 Speaker 2: This is kind of getting towards the end of Brandon 536 00:23:40,160 --> 00:23:42,080 Speaker 2: Graham and Fletcher Cox. This is kind of that last 537 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 2: push for that group. I don't see how he sitting 538 00:23:46,080 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 2: on his hands here if that is a position that's 539 00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 2: not where it needs to be. So that was one 540 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 2: he's always got to move in season, right before the season, like, 541 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:56,639 Speaker 2: that's the one position I would just I wouldn't sleep on. 542 00:23:56,680 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 2: That's not from talking to anybody. That's just from me 543 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,119 Speaker 2: kind of observing the issue. 544 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 1: That it's unfortunate because they had a guy there and 545 00:24:01,920 --> 00:24:03,120 Speaker 1: you know he's in. 546 00:24:03,119 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 2: Detroit now at Chauncey Gardner Johnson, Chauncey. 547 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: Gordon Johnson, who played a look a big part of 548 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,720 Speaker 1: their defensive success in terms of how you played their role. 549 00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 2: But you got to find someone who can do it. 550 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:16,600 Speaker 1: And so DJ we know this, and let's let the 551 00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:19,399 Speaker 1: fans in on a little inside, a little behind the scenes. 552 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:20,760 Speaker 2: Here's what happens. 553 00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: All these things that are on the depth chart, they're 554 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: all great. The first preseason game it all changes. And 555 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,199 Speaker 1: so if you have young guys that you're count on, 556 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: if they don't play well in that debut, I can 557 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:34,879 Speaker 1: guarantee you next Monday, there's gonna be some vets in 558 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:37,840 Speaker 1: grays working out for the team, getting ready. 559 00:24:38,000 --> 00:24:39,520 Speaker 2: And so you just have to understand. 560 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: People have talked about the preseason doesn't matter, but I've 561 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: never seen the depth chart change more than between weeks 562 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 1: one and weeks two, and so everyone needs to be unnoticed. 563 00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:51,280 Speaker 1: This is a huge debut performance for all the young guys. 564 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,000 Speaker 1: They need to perform well to retain their spots within 565 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 1: the rotation. 566 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,280 Speaker 2: No doubt. I want to get to the Steelers, so 567 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,880 Speaker 2: one a chance to go there. It's a good looking team. 568 00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:04,360 Speaker 2: It was a great practice, and I found myself watching 569 00:25:04,520 --> 00:25:06,520 Speaker 2: the head coach almost more than the team because I 570 00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 2: had never been to their training camp before. I've had 571 00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 2: a visit scheduled there, but I just have weather and 572 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:13,000 Speaker 2: it didn't. It didn't work out. Since my first time 573 00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 2: seeing Mike Tomlin practice, which by the way, I posted 574 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:17,600 Speaker 2: some nice things about him, and I oh, well, I 575 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: saw you. I saw you. I like, are we really 576 00:25:21,760 --> 00:25:23,680 Speaker 2: we really have people that exist that don't think Mike 577 00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,600 Speaker 2: Tomlin's a great coach, Like what what? What? What are 578 00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 2: we doing here? Come on now? But anyways, you get 579 00:25:28,960 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 2: out there and let me give you a story real quick. 580 00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 2: I'll start at the end of practice. So I'm talking 581 00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:37,280 Speaker 2: with Joey Porter Junior after practice. They had the scrimmage 582 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,199 Speaker 2: the night before, fourteen thousand fans like the big scrimmage. 583 00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 2: So I'm coming in the next day, me and James Palmer. 584 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:44,640 Speaker 2: So we're talking. We're like, man, they had a scrimmage 585 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 2: last night, Like, what are they gonna do this? It's 586 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,400 Speaker 2: gonna be helmets, walk through, you know, corrections, you know whatever. 587 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:54,280 Speaker 2: We get there buck full pads, they're going to the 588 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,479 Speaker 2: their team periods, They're going to the ground. It is 589 00:25:56,520 --> 00:26:01,520 Speaker 2: intense one on one periods. I mean intense competition. Everywhere 590 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,399 Speaker 2: you look. Tomlin teaching, you know, getting his hands in 591 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:08,640 Speaker 2: every position, teaching, pushing all that stuff. It was a 592 00:26:08,680 --> 00:26:12,160 Speaker 2: hard practice, man. And so I asked Porter after practice, 593 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:15,440 Speaker 2: I said, what was guy? He's like, how you feeling. 594 00:26:15,440 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 2: He's like, man, I'm toast, I'm exhausted. He's like I 595 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:20,119 Speaker 2: got to get in the tub. I got in the 596 00:26:20,160 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 2: cold tub, like I'm sore. So, so what coach to 597 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 2: say to you? Gotta had scrimmage last night? What did 598 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 2: he say to you about coming back today? And he said, 599 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 2: he told us before practice, I'm going to find out 600 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:32,360 Speaker 2: two things. I'm going to find out who loves football 601 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,040 Speaker 2: and who's comfortable being uncomfortable. And I thought, golly, that's 602 00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,560 Speaker 2: a great those are two great lines, uh with that? 603 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:42,280 Speaker 2: And I'm like, dude, there's there's a reason. There's never like, 604 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 2: it's not a coincidence. This guy's never had a losing season. 605 00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: Like this is tried and true old school football that 606 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:51,200 Speaker 2: they're that they're incorporating up there in Pittsburgh. 607 00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:53,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, they are doing it DJ And so there are 608 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:55,440 Speaker 1: a couple of things. You know it because your time 609 00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. You know, when you look at the schedule 610 00:26:58,280 --> 00:27:00,359 Speaker 1: and it says the Pittsburgh steel is, you know what 611 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: kind of game that you're in for. I know when 612 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,399 Speaker 1: I was with the Green Bay Packers, we knew when 613 00:27:04,440 --> 00:27:06,720 Speaker 1: we played them just for Mike Tolland. But when the 614 00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:10,080 Speaker 1: Stillers show up, it's gonna be a hard nose. It's 615 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,359 Speaker 1: gonna be a physical game, and the only way to 616 00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: build that kind of team, even in this era where 617 00:27:15,320 --> 00:27:18,000 Speaker 1: you're not you don't have as many padded practices, the 618 00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:20,879 Speaker 1: restrictions on how you can practice. The only way to 619 00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,520 Speaker 1: build a team that can play on the edges. I mean, 620 00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: you got to be a physical team. You got a 621 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: practice and padge, you got to do all that other 622 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: stuff because if not, when you get into the game action, 623 00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:32,840 Speaker 1: you can't just flip the switch and say, hey, we're 624 00:27:32,840 --> 00:27:35,560 Speaker 1: gonna be the bullet. This is something that's honed and 625 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: we find and worked on away from the ring. 626 00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's true, and there's no secret to it, 627 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:45,040 Speaker 2: no secret sauce. It's work. But there was a great example. 628 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 2: They're doing one on ones. It's backs and tight ends 629 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: versus linebackers, edge rushers. And so they have the rookie 630 00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: Darnel Washington, who, by the way, he's listed at two 631 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,919 Speaker 2: sixty four bucks, he's probably closer to two ninety. He's enormous. 632 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:00,800 Speaker 2: Uh So you've got him, and you've got Nick Herbig. 633 00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:02,640 Speaker 2: You know, his brother Nate is on the on the office. 634 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 2: Lie Nick the rookie at a Wisconsin edge RUSHERR little undersize, 635 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 2: So they're going up against each other one on one 636 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: pass rush. First time, Washington just stones him. Turnal Washington 637 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,119 Speaker 2: just stones him. So they got Tomlin's there and he 638 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:18,879 Speaker 2: goes like, blows the whistle. One blows the whistle. So 639 00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:21,040 Speaker 2: that's one blow. One blow of the whistle. Okay, you 640 00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,000 Speaker 2: guys are doing it again. So Herbig comes back, her 641 00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 2: Big on this one, leverages him, gets underneath him, gets 642 00:28:27,480 --> 00:28:29,919 Speaker 2: underneath him, gets him off balance, gets him off his pegs, 643 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:33,480 Speaker 2: and wins. So now Tomlin, who's got the whistle, blows 644 00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 2: the whistle ten times, ten times. Buck. So you got 645 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,680 Speaker 2: fourteen thousand or this at this practice, maybe eight to 646 00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: ten thousand fans, I don't know, thousands of fans up 647 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:45,400 Speaker 2: in the stands. You've got the practice spread out all 648 00:28:45,440 --> 00:28:48,200 Speaker 2: over the place, and he blows the whistle ten times. 649 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,000 Speaker 2: But what happens when that happens, Every eye in the 650 00:28:51,040 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 2: whole stadium goes to where's this whistle coming from? What's 651 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,840 Speaker 2: going on? And everybody that's in those groups, if you're 652 00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 2: part of those two position groups, it's like, oh, this 653 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,160 Speaker 2: is different. The head coaches here just blew the whistle 654 00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,280 Speaker 2: a million times and goes, we're gonna settle this thing 655 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,640 Speaker 2: right now. Rep three and so they go and Darnel 656 00:29:07,680 --> 00:29:09,760 Speaker 2: watched and he tries to win outside and Darnel watching 657 00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:11,480 Speaker 2: and just takes him and you just Tom what I'm 658 00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 2: saying right there, and Tom One just goes drag his 659 00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,120 Speaker 2: to the other field like basically like, don't stop blocking him, 660 00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,600 Speaker 2: just keep dragging him all the way over to the 661 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:21,400 Speaker 2: other field. And he did. They finished the rep. So 662 00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,520 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm watching this and I'm going, Okay, people think, ah, 663 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: it's hokey one on ones and everybody does one on 664 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:30,680 Speaker 2: ones and you know, competition at every camp. Like just 665 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:33,360 Speaker 2: because he's bowing the whistle that I'm all well, and 666 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 2: one of the reps he was right before that or 667 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 2: right after that. Najee Harris is in one on one. 668 00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 2: He goes to punch, he lunges buck he's on the 669 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 2: ground right, he misses, he's on the deck. He got 670 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 2: immediately got up just like through like a chicken wing 671 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:50,800 Speaker 2: to try and just get some part of the edge 672 00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 2: rusher as he was getting to the arc of his rush, 673 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: and I was like, that's it, that's that's it, That's 674 00:29:56,400 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: what competitiveness is, that's what that breeds because every other back. 675 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 2: Usually you'll see in a drill like that, I slipped, 676 00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: I lost reps over. Let's get back up and let's 677 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:08,719 Speaker 2: get the next one. No, no, no, he's like, hey, maybe 678 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 2: getting right up off the ground. Maybe if I can 679 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,560 Speaker 2: just knock him off just a little bit, that'll give 680 00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 2: my quarterback time to not get hit. Yeah. 681 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: So it's a level of urgency that you're trying to create. 682 00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:22,640 Speaker 1: So people to talk about this, like, everybody wants their 683 00:30:22,640 --> 00:30:24,720 Speaker 1: team to play hard, right You her coaches talking about 684 00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 1: playing hard or whatever, but not many coaches are willing 685 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 1: to do what it takes to get your team to 686 00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:30,120 Speaker 1: play hard. 687 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,520 Speaker 2: Not only demanding it. You got to demand. You got 688 00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 2: to talk about it every day. 689 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: You got to you got to make sure that they 690 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,000 Speaker 1: know playing hard is a big part of our calling card. 691 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 1: But too, you got to do drills and things that 692 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,880 Speaker 1: reinforces it. And you never can relent off of that 693 00:30:42,040 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: vision in your head in terms of how you want 694 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:46,040 Speaker 1: your team to play. Mike Tomlin in front of you, 695 00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: it sounds like you put on a coaching clinic on 696 00:30:48,600 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 1: how to lead and how to get your team ready 697 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 1: to kind of live up to the standard that they've created. 698 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,080 Speaker 1: In Pittsburgh, and I love it, man, because there is 699 00:30:58,120 --> 00:31:00,360 Speaker 1: something about when a coach has command and has a 700 00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,000 Speaker 1: clear plan for how he's going to get his team ready, 701 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,200 Speaker 1: they typically always respond to splendid fashion. 702 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 2: I got a text. I tweeted out some of that stuff, 703 00:31:10,480 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 2: not in all the detail, but some of the stuff 704 00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 2: about just how competitive the practice was. I get a 705 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,920 Speaker 2: text from a head coach in the SEC, I'll tell 706 00:31:15,920 --> 00:31:17,920 Speaker 2: you about it after we get off and says, hey, 707 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:20,239 Speaker 2: you get a minute, call me. So I called him. 708 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,880 Speaker 2: A coach was going, you gotta start camp. Yeah, we 709 00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,400 Speaker 2: just started camping. Hey, what's Tom on doing? Like? 710 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:23,560 Speaker 1: How? 711 00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 2: Why did you think? What was he doing? And I'm 712 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:29,200 Speaker 2: like these SEC coaches are different now, like that that's 713 00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: a battle royal in that conference. They're looking for every advantage, 714 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: every edge they can get. But he wanted I spent 715 00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,480 Speaker 2: twenty minutes on the phone going through basically the practice, 716 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 2: telling him how Tom was doing. He's taking notes, Buck, 717 00:31:40,120 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 2: this is the SEC head coach, A good coach, Yes, 718 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:46,280 Speaker 2: taking notes on this stuff because that's the respect that 719 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,560 Speaker 2: that's the respect he has in the coaching world. 720 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,480 Speaker 1: Because everybody wants that, like no matter what you say 721 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 1: and like we can laugh at it and a snicker about, oh, 722 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,120 Speaker 1: he's never had a losing season. There are a lot 723 00:31:55,120 --> 00:31:56,840 Speaker 1: of coaches that have coached for a long time and 724 00:31:56,880 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: they know how hard that consistency is able. Yeah, how 725 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: hard it is to build that kind of consistency as 726 00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: a team builder. But also everybody knows about the Pittsburgh 727 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:09,040 Speaker 1: steell is in their physicality and toughness. So DJ and 728 00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,600 Speaker 1: the SEC when you're having to deal with Georgia and 729 00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 1: Alabama and Kirby Smart is talking at every turn, it is. 730 00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:19,960 Speaker 2: A combat and collision sport. We bang people whatever. 731 00:32:20,040 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: When everyone knows what goes on in Alabama, when you're 732 00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:25,719 Speaker 1: dealing with Nick Saban and him even talking about there 733 00:32:25,800 --> 00:32:28,200 Speaker 1: is the reason why they're weight classes in boxing. You 734 00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: don't put middleweights in the ring with heavyweights. Yeah, the 735 00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:34,920 Speaker 1: only way you can close the gap on those teams. Yeah, 736 00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 1: you got to get better players, but DJ, you got 737 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:38,200 Speaker 1: to be willing to stand in the center of the 738 00:32:38,320 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: ring and go toe to toe with them. And your 739 00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: guys have to know, hey, man, we're gonna take some 740 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:44,760 Speaker 1: body blows, but we got to take it to give 741 00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 1: it back. 742 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 2: And the only way you do it, man, you got 743 00:32:46,840 --> 00:32:48,120 Speaker 2: to practice harder. Has to be a part of your 744 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:52,960 Speaker 2: practices percent And we can talk about the offense later 745 00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 2: on another episode, but I mean, look, it's all out there. 746 00:32:55,120 --> 00:32:57,080 Speaker 2: Pickt's had a really good camp. He looks more comfortable. 747 00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: The offensive line's better. I've talked about Big Darnell Washington. 748 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 2: Pickens made some highlight real catches when I was there. 749 00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 2: He's he's really good. So they've they've got pieces that 750 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 2: the little runn back from Maryland think's Anthony McFarlane had 751 00:33:07,600 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 2: a good day. I'd be surprised if he kind of 752 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:12,240 Speaker 2: gets a third down role as someone there. But as 753 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:13,440 Speaker 2: we're getting towards the end of the time here, I 754 00:33:13,480 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 2: want to hit you on one more topic and then 755 00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:16,960 Speaker 2: what we'll get out of here. But I was talking 756 00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:20,000 Speaker 2: to somebody with the Steelers. Brought up a great point 757 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 2: and he said, and this will lead me back to 758 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 2: the conversation with that SEC coach. So he said, man, 759 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: I love it up here because we go out to 760 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 2: camp and he said, you know, there's only like I 761 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:32,640 Speaker 2: think there's only four teams that still do it. But 762 00:33:32,960 --> 00:33:35,360 Speaker 2: who are the teams but the Kansas City Chiefs, the 763 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 2: Buffalo Bills, the Pittsburgh Steelers. Those are three. Those are 764 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,440 Speaker 2: three of the four right there? Who else am I missing? 765 00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:43,720 Speaker 2: Because the Raiders used to do it but they don't 766 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: do anymore. But let's just take those three. Those those 767 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: three of the best teams in the NFL. Kansas City, Buffalo, Pittsburgh. 768 00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:53,240 Speaker 2: There's a lot of winning that's gone on with those teams. 769 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:55,560 Speaker 2: And he brought up the point was one of the 770 00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:58,120 Speaker 2: things it does is it allows us to connect. It 771 00:33:58,160 --> 00:34:00,440 Speaker 2: allows our team to get away and allows them to 772 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,240 Speaker 2: connect and they find value in that. So then fast 773 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:04,160 Speaker 2: forward to the conversation with the SEC coach. So we're 774 00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 2: talking about Steelers and I asked him, I said, what's 775 00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:09,080 Speaker 2: your biggest challenge this year? He's like, I got thirty 776 00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,720 Speaker 2: something new players, like transfers to go along with freshmen. 777 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,879 Speaker 2: Like He's like, it's connectivity, Like how do we come 778 00:34:15,920 --> 00:34:20,040 Speaker 2: together and connect and be a unit as a team. 779 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: And the amount of time that we have half these 780 00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:26,840 Speaker 2: guys just got here, So connectivity And I thought, man, 781 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: that could be almost a competitive advantage now when there's 782 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: so few teams going off to training camp, it's convenient 783 00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:34,279 Speaker 2: to be at home. You're being your own bad you're 784 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,319 Speaker 2: being your own office. But guess what when practice ends, 785 00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 2: those players they're gone. They're not playing dominoes, They're not 786 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,360 Speaker 2: They're not playing video games in the buddies room, no DJ. 787 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:46,399 Speaker 1: So the impetus behind a lot of the stuff that 788 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 1: goes on in locker rooms, the ping pong tables, to 789 00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,439 Speaker 1: video games, all of that other stuff is so guys 790 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,080 Speaker 1: that stay around and play those games and develop a 791 00:34:55,120 --> 00:34:58,080 Speaker 1: bomb with one another. It's so hard in sports because 792 00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:00,800 Speaker 1: pro sports are different in high school sports in terms 793 00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 1: of the guys are playing. Everybody kind of comes in 794 00:35:04,080 --> 00:35:07,279 Speaker 1: with their own agenda. But as an NFL coach, like 795 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,560 Speaker 1: what Tomlin is doing is look, man, I want to 796 00:35:09,560 --> 00:35:14,439 Speaker 1: coach professionals with a high school level of enthusiasm and approach, meaning, look, 797 00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,239 Speaker 1: I understand the money, whatever, but at the end of 798 00:35:16,280 --> 00:35:17,839 Speaker 1: the day, this is still the game that we all 799 00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,760 Speaker 1: played in high school. 800 00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 2: So I got to. 801 00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:22,280 Speaker 1: Recreate some of the bonding and some of that connected 802 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:25,000 Speaker 1: stuff that we want. Because DJ, even you and I 803 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:27,439 Speaker 1: can talk about right now, there are not many moments 804 00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:28,719 Speaker 1: that are better than those Friday. 805 00:35:28,520 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 2: Night lights, no doubt, Buck, there's absolutely something to that. 806 00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 2: I'm with you on that one. So fun podcasts today. 807 00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:37,600 Speaker 2: I hope you guys have enjoyed it, got touched on 808 00:35:37,640 --> 00:35:40,840 Speaker 2: a lot of different things. We'll be back here a 809 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:43,439 Speaker 2: couple more episodes coming your Wife. So we are on 810 00:35:43,560 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 2: our way towards the NFL season and we've got you 811 00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,799 Speaker 2: covered right here on Move the Sticks So be on 812 00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:51,760 Speaker 2: the lookout again. We are getting towards the real first 813 00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 2: full week of preseason football and we'll have all your 814 00:35:54,640 --> 00:36:03,680 Speaker 2: recaps an analysis right here on Move the Sticks Pots. 815 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:13,680 Speaker 1: Community before community