1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:03,000 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Buck Sexton and you're listening to the 2 00:00:03,040 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Tutor Dixon Podcast, part of the Clay Travers and Buck 3 00:00:06,240 --> 00:00:11,040 Speaker 1: Sexton podcast Network. Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,960 Speaker 1: so glad that you are joining me today because today 5 00:00:14,080 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: I am joined by someone who is on the forefront 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: of increasingly grow the increasingly growing parents' rights and education 7 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: freedom movement, and that is Corey Dangelis. He is a 8 00:00:24,840 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: self described school choice evangelist and the author of the 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:34,520 Speaker 1: new book Mediocracy Forty ways government schools are failing today's students. Corey, 10 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: I mean, there's way more than forty. I know that, 11 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:40,200 Speaker 1: but that's probably what you could get to in the book. 12 00:00:40,320 --> 00:00:44,319 Speaker 1: I just think that right now is a very interesting time. 13 00:00:44,360 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 1: So I'm glad you're joining us today to talk about it. 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you so much. 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: Yeah, we really had to whittle it down to forty 16 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 3: because it came out on the fortieth anniversary of the 17 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:56,640 Speaker 3: Nation and Risk Report talking about a rising tide of 18 00:00:56,680 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 3: mediocrity in the government school system back in nineteen eighty three, 19 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: and we're still seeing a lot of the same problems, 20 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 3: and even more of the problems when it comes to 21 00:01:04,920 --> 00:01:09,240 Speaker 3: the curriculum misalignment with the leftist and doctrination in the classroom. 22 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 2: So things haven't gotten any better. 23 00:01:11,240 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 3: In some ways have gotten worse, and we're spending more 24 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 3: and more money than ever. 25 00:01:14,520 --> 00:01:17,080 Speaker 1: Well, obviously we came out of the pandemic. The pandemic 26 00:01:17,319 --> 00:01:21,120 Speaker 1: was devastating to our kids. But really the question that 27 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,199 Speaker 1: people have now is was it necessary to have kids 28 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 1: out of school? As long as they were out of school. 29 00:01:26,800 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: You have a lot of interesting conversations going back between 30 00:01:30,760 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 1: the Teachers' Union president Randy Weingarten and the media who 31 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,680 Speaker 1: and even on Twitter when she's saying I wanted kids 32 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,000 Speaker 1: to go back to school. She was the driving force 33 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: in kids staying home from school. I remember teachers writing 34 00:01:44,880 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: out their obituaries and she was saying, you know, these 35 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,080 Speaker 1: teachers aren't going to make it through even though they 36 00:01:50,120 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: were the first to get vaccinated. And if you are 37 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:55,160 Speaker 1: on that side of the aisle, then you believe that 38 00:01:55,160 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: that was the gift of life. So how come it 39 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:01,640 Speaker 1: was that they had to stay home even though they 40 00:02:01,640 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: were put in some cases, I mean in the state 41 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: of Michigan, they were vaccinated at the same time as 42 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:08,680 Speaker 1: the elderly were vaccinated. 43 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, look, Brandy Wingarden. 44 00:02:10,000 --> 00:02:14,079 Speaker 3: The teachers unions held children's education hostage to secure multiple 45 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:18,080 Speaker 3: multi billion dollar ransom payments from taxpayers. It wasn't just 46 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 3: that they knew that they could keep their jobs while 47 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 3: and keeping the funding going to the government school system 48 00:02:24,639 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 3: while not having to show up to work each day. 49 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 2: Like every other industry. It was worse than that. 50 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: They knew that if they kept the schools closed, they 51 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,080 Speaker 3: could use that as leverage as to why they needed 52 00:02:34,120 --> 00:02:37,640 Speaker 3: even more money pumped into the government school system. In Detroit, 53 00:02:37,720 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 3: for example, they now spend over twenty thousand dollars per 54 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 3: student per year with all of this so called COVID 55 00:02:45,639 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 3: relief funding that was pumped into the schools. It wasn't 56 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 3: associated with the higher likelihood of reopening the institutions. And 57 00:02:52,400 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 3: it's all because the incentives are completely backwards in the 58 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: government school system, where they fail and they're rewarded for it. 59 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 3: For decades now, we've seen that underperforming private and charter 60 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:07,720 Speaker 3: schools will they shut down. Underperforming government schools they just 61 00:03:07,800 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 3: get more and more money, partially because they can say 62 00:03:11,520 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 3: that their failure is because they don't have enough. And 63 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 3: we saw that right in front of our eyes with COVID, 64 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:18,359 Speaker 3: But I'm kind of happy. 65 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 2: In one way. 66 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: There's a silver lining that the teacher unions overplayed their 67 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 3: hand and awakened a sleeping giant, which happens to be 68 00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: parents who want more of a say in their kids' education, 69 00:03:29,200 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 3: because they got to see what the heck was going 70 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: on in the classroom. Parents who thought that their kids 71 00:03:33,680 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 3: were in great public schools, maybe they were a rated schools, 72 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 3: maybe their kids were coming home with high marks on 73 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 3: their report card, while those same parents started to see 74 00:03:42,320 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: another dimension of school quality that I would argue is 75 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 3: more important than anything that could be captured by a 76 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 3: standardized test, which is whether the school's curriculum aligns with 77 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:54,440 Speaker 3: their values. Look vote Bacham said it best. We cannot 78 00:03:54,440 --> 00:03:57,240 Speaker 3: continue to send our children to Caesar for their education 79 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:00,960 Speaker 3: and be surprised when they come home. As rowans well, 80 00:04:00,960 --> 00:04:03,800 Speaker 3: in many places, the parents aren't surprised anymore. And that's 81 00:04:03,800 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: the good news. And so Randy Weinger and the teacher 82 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,640 Speaker 3: regunions they can keep gas slighting about their role in 83 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:10,320 Speaker 3: school closures, but we. 84 00:04:11,040 --> 00:04:11,760 Speaker 2: Know what happened. 85 00:04:11,800 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 3: Parents saw what was happening to their kids with this 86 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 3: so called remote learning, which was more like remotely learning. 87 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 3: We know that the teacher junions lobbied the CDC to 88 00:04:21,600 --> 00:04:23,440 Speaker 3: keep the schools closed as long as possible. 89 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 2: We saw the tweets. 90 00:04:24,800 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 3: From the teacher unions saying it was racist and sexist 91 00:04:27,640 --> 00:04:31,040 Speaker 3: to reopen schools, which is total garbage. We saw the 92 00:04:31,120 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: hypocrisy on full display. We saw the Chicago Teacher Junion 93 00:04:34,920 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 3: board member, for example, vacationing in Puerto Rico while crying 94 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,159 Speaker 3: to go about going back to work. In person, it 95 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:44,320 Speaker 3: was fine to go vacation overseas, but somehow it wasn't 96 00:04:44,360 --> 00:04:46,799 Speaker 3: safe enough to go back to work in your own town. 97 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: It's because it's more enjoyable. 98 00:04:49,000 --> 00:04:49,240 Speaker 2: To go on. 99 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,120 Speaker 1: But even if we go beyond COVID, I I mean 100 00:04:53,320 --> 00:04:57,280 Speaker 1: you mentioned Detroit, so Detroit public schools, the ratings there 101 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 1: are just horrendous. I think they have a role of 102 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:03,679 Speaker 1: the schools about a five percent literacy rating and their 103 00:05:04,080 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: math and reading scores they're just off the charts bad. 104 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: And we know that the teachers' union has put a 105 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:15,160 Speaker 1: massive amount of money into Democrat campaigns, and so these 106 00:05:15,200 --> 00:05:18,240 Speaker 1: are our people like Gretchen Whitmer, she got a ton 107 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:21,680 Speaker 1: of money from teachers' unions. These are folks like Joe Biden, 108 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:24,600 Speaker 1: who was just endorsed by the Teachers' Union. They slobbered 109 00:05:24,680 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: all over Joe Biden. And I think about it from 110 00:05:27,720 --> 00:05:31,839 Speaker 1: a business perspective. If you are the governor, how can 111 00:05:31,920 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: you legitimately take money from an organization and you know 112 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,040 Speaker 1: you are in charge of the fiscal responsibility of the state. 113 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: You are making sure that you are making good decisions 114 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:45,320 Speaker 1: with the taxpayer dollars. But those taxpayer dollars are going 115 00:05:45,360 --> 00:05:48,480 Speaker 1: into this union, going directly to you, and then you 116 00:05:48,560 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 1: are getting personal power and using none of it to 117 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,720 Speaker 1: ensure that these kids have a good education. And to 118 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,719 Speaker 1: the point that Gretchen Whimmer was sued in twenty nineteen 119 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 1: by students in the Detroit public schoo system because they 120 00:06:00,960 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: said they were robbed of in education because of her policies. 121 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:06,839 Speaker 1: And she allowed that to happen because she has not 122 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,920 Speaker 1: stepped in to ensure that these schools are actually going 123 00:06:09,960 --> 00:06:13,400 Speaker 1: to provide an education. And this is on the heels 124 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,080 Speaker 1: of us just finding out that our thirteen year olds 125 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:19,839 Speaker 1: rated the lowest and mass scores in decades in the 126 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: United States. But politicians will gladly take their money and 127 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: keep them going and support public schools who are not 128 00:06:27,160 --> 00:06:31,279 Speaker 1: providing a service that has any value whatsoever. How is 129 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:34,840 Speaker 1: this possible that you don't have anybody screaming. I mean, 130 00:06:35,400 --> 00:06:37,960 Speaker 1: journalists claim that they want to be treated like they 131 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 1: are coming out with facts that they are non biased. 132 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: How are they not saying this is hurting our most 133 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:47,599 Speaker 1: vulnerable communities to force these children into schools that are 134 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: not giving them an education. 135 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:49,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. 136 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,480 Speaker 3: Too many journalists are just biased activists that are another 137 00:06:52,600 --> 00:06:55,479 Speaker 3: arm of the propaganda machine. And so they're just repeating 138 00:06:55,520 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 3: the leftist narrative to keep the story going that they 139 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:01,479 Speaker 3: want to tell, as opposed to just sharing the news 140 00:07:01,480 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 3: and sharing the facts. And politicians in too many places, 141 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:08,120 Speaker 3: far too many of them, they care more about power 142 00:07:08,520 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 3: than logic or morality. So that's why we're seeing what 143 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: we're seeing. I mean, think about the issue of school choice. 144 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 3: Think about Randy Weingarten, the teacher unions, the American Federation 145 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:23,679 Speaker 3: of Teachers. Her union contributed over ninety nine point nine 146 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,880 Speaker 3: percent of their campaign contributions to Democrats in twenty twenty two. 147 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,480 Speaker 3: So it's very lopsided. And so you have something that 148 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,240 Speaker 3: should be a bipartisan issue. When you look at the 149 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 3: polls and the voters. Democrats, Republicans, and Independents' latest nationwide 150 00:07:38,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 3: polling shows supermajority support among Republicans, independents, and Democrats for 151 00:07:45,520 --> 00:07:48,640 Speaker 3: school choice, with seventy two percent support overall. Yet you 152 00:07:48,680 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 3: have Democratic politicians voting to trap kids and failing government 153 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 3: schools after year after year because they're owned by the 154 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 3: teacher unions. 155 00:07:56,920 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 2: And that's pretty much the only way to explain it. 156 00:07:59,400 --> 00:08:02,960 Speaker 3: Because if you think about school choice, it's you can 157 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,240 Speaker 3: make left and right leaning arguments for it. It's more competition, 158 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 3: it's more of a market based reform, it's giving more 159 00:08:09,120 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 3: freedom to families. 160 00:08:10,360 --> 00:08:12,040 Speaker 2: But it's also an equalizer too. 161 00:08:12,280 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 3: The least advantage to have school don't have school choice 162 00:08:15,520 --> 00:08:17,800 Speaker 3: because they're stuck in the worst government schools. The most 163 00:08:17,840 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 3: advantage already have school choice in the form of living 164 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 3: in the nearby the best public schools. They are more 165 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 3: likely at least to be able to afford private school 166 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:28,920 Speaker 3: tuition and fees. So school choice giving the funding to 167 00:08:28,960 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 3: the families as opposed to the government institutions, is an equalizer. 168 00:08:33,800 --> 00:08:37,679 Speaker 3: And Democrats support all these other policies where the money 169 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,080 Speaker 3: goes directly to people, and then they can shop around 170 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:41,559 Speaker 3: at private alternatives. 171 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 2: Think about higher education. 172 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,079 Speaker 3: You have pell grants taxpayer dollars that can be used 173 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 3: that public or private universities. You have pre K programs 174 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:51,960 Speaker 3: that can be used that any private provider that the 175 00:08:52,000 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 3: family wants to take that funding to, including the federal 176 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 3: head Start program. You think about food stamps, that's a 177 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,560 Speaker 3: voucher taxpayer dollars and used a private grocery stores directed 178 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 3: by the parents. 179 00:09:03,679 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 2: You can keep going on with these examples. 180 00:09:05,640 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 3: Medicaid dollars, they don't have to be used that are 181 00:09:07,440 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: residentially assigned government run hospital. You can use it a private, 182 00:09:10,960 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 3: even religiously affiliated hospitals. But then when it comes to 183 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 3: Kate the twelve education Democrats will fight as hard as 184 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:21,559 Speaker 3: possible against any change to the status quo because they 185 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: want to keep that money going to the Democrat the 186 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,719 Speaker 3: teachers unions who basically funnel all that funding back to 187 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: the Democratic Party. 188 00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,560 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 189 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. The teachers union has a lot 190 00:09:38,720 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: of power in what's happening in the classroom, and we 191 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:44,360 Speaker 1: know that there has been a lot of push toward 192 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 1: well that you should be a part of the Democrat Party, 193 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:49,960 Speaker 1: you know, and we know that in the classroom there 194 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: is a lot of anger toward Republicans and so and 195 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,840 Speaker 1: they've oftentimes come out. I mean, I remember talking to 196 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,640 Speaker 1: someone who was telling me one of our congressmen, who 197 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:02,520 Speaker 1: was telling me that in his child's public school, the 198 00:10:02,600 --> 00:10:05,400 Speaker 1: teacher went to his child and said, your father is 199 00:10:05,440 --> 00:10:08,160 Speaker 1: trying to cut my salary. And he said, I mean, 200 00:10:08,200 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: this is just ridiculous. It's not true. They will they 201 00:10:10,840 --> 00:10:14,120 Speaker 1: but these are winning messages. They've been winning in purple 202 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: states and blue states on these messages. But it's starting 203 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: to the tide is starting to turn. And I do 204 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,120 Speaker 1: say that that is a lot because of COVID, because 205 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,559 Speaker 1: COVID did open the eyes of parents, and parents started 206 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: to say, well, maybe I don't want my kids to 207 00:10:29,679 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: be learning this, Maybe I want my kids to have 208 00:10:32,200 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: an opportunity to have a focus in their lives on 209 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:39,480 Speaker 1: history or something else. And then in the midst of that, 210 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 1: we started to have this issue where they started to 211 00:10:42,240 --> 00:10:44,960 Speaker 1: push a lot of these pride conversations into schools and 212 00:10:45,000 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: parents that those those are conversations I want to have 213 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:51,560 Speaker 1: at home. And so you've seen school choice initiatives passing 214 00:10:51,600 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: in states like Iowa, Arkansas, Oklahoma, Florida. This is something 215 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:01,160 Speaker 1: that folks in your industry have been working for for decades. 216 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:03,920 Speaker 1: Does it feel like some of those wins are really 217 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 1: big wins in the after decades of work, that you're 218 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:10,240 Speaker 1: starting to actually see this move forward, And it's coming 219 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,240 Speaker 1: kind of organically from the parents who are saying, yeah, 220 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:16,520 Speaker 1: I'm into this, let's do this, let me choice, Let 221 00:11:16,520 --> 00:11:19,280 Speaker 1: me choose a values based school for my kid rather 222 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: than just be forced into whatsever available in the neighborhood. 223 00:11:22,240 --> 00:11:22,679 Speaker 2: That's right. 224 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 3: Parents want education as opposed to indoctrination, and too many 225 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:30,559 Speaker 3: schools are pushing a leftist narrative that parents left in right, 226 00:11:30,760 --> 00:11:32,400 Speaker 3: they don't want to deal with it, especially when it 227 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:37,040 Speaker 3: comes to the sexual topics in the classroom as well. 228 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 3: Democrats and Republicans want to have those conversations at home. 229 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 2: Just like you said. 230 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,800 Speaker 3: But look, the wind is at our backs when it 231 00:11:43,840 --> 00:11:47,000 Speaker 3: comes to this school choice revolution that has really ignited 232 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 3: right before our eyes. And as the teachers, Gumian's own 233 00:11:49,920 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 3: dang fault for overplaying their hand. And now in the 234 00:11:53,600 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 3: past two years alone, we've had seven states you listed 235 00:11:57,200 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 3: a bunch of them right there. Seven states and just 236 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,560 Speaker 3: two years go all in on school choice, meaning every 237 00:12:03,600 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 3: single family, regardless of income, regardless of background, regardless of 238 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:12,000 Speaker 3: zip code, can now take their children's state funded education 239 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,520 Speaker 3: dollars to the education. 240 00:12:13,280 --> 00:12:15,640 Speaker 2: Provider or they're choosing. That could be the public school. 241 00:12:15,920 --> 00:12:17,800 Speaker 3: If you like your public school, you can keep your 242 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 3: public school, unlike with your doctor. But if not, you 243 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,280 Speaker 3: can take that same funding. In Arizona, for example, they 244 00:12:23,280 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: were the first state to do this in twenty two, 245 00:12:25,559 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 3: it's seven thousand dollars per student. You can take that 246 00:12:27,920 --> 00:12:30,720 Speaker 3: to an education savings account to spend on private school 247 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: tuition and fees, on charter schools, on home based education 248 00:12:34,880 --> 00:12:39,240 Speaker 3: options like homeschool curriculum or private micro schools or private tutors. 249 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,880 Speaker 3: The funding follows the student and it's all students. It's 250 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 3: not like the incremental reforms that we saw in the past, 251 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:48,240 Speaker 3: where it was just certain groups, you know, whether you 252 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:50,559 Speaker 3: were this income or that income, or whether you're from 253 00:12:50,559 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 3: this you know, had this kind of disability or that 254 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,880 Speaker 3: type of category. There was there was these kind of 255 00:12:58,360 --> 00:13:01,840 Speaker 3: means testing approaches before. For now it's you know, states 256 00:13:02,000 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 3: are understanding and legislators are understanding that all parents want this. 257 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:07,520 Speaker 2: We shouldn't be picking winners and losers. 258 00:13:07,760 --> 00:13:11,240 Speaker 3: And we fund a public education for all families regardless 259 00:13:11,280 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 3: of income. We don't tell you, oh, you you know, 260 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:15,240 Speaker 3: you make too much money, you can't go to. 261 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 2: The public school. 262 00:13:15,880 --> 00:13:19,480 Speaker 3: We don't restrict access to government education by income. We 263 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:24,640 Speaker 3: shouldn't restrict school choice by income either. And everybody wants this, 264 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 3: regardless of race or political. 265 00:13:28,160 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: But the argument is that, oh, this is if you're 266 00:13:31,040 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: I mean, having run for office. The argument is, if 267 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:37,200 Speaker 1: you're for school choice, then you're really against the lowest 268 00:13:37,200 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: income people because you just want the elites to have 269 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:42,600 Speaker 1: private school. I've never understood that argument, because this is 270 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,880 Speaker 1: giving the elites can have public or private school. It's 271 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:48,959 Speaker 1: available to them. They have all the money in the world. 272 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: And then the other argument I don't get is we 273 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:54,040 Speaker 1: have to give more money to the schools that are 274 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: underperforming because you just said twenty thousand dollars a student 275 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: in Detroit. Hey, look, school's on my side of the 276 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,640 Speaker 1: state that are charging tuition. It's seven thousand dollars a 277 00:14:04,760 --> 00:14:08,160 Speaker 1: student for tuition. So how is a private school able 278 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,080 Speaker 1: to do? And I know that their teachers don't get 279 00:14:11,200 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: as much money, but they are you know, their heart 280 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:16,960 Speaker 1: is there and they are. They are supported in a 281 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,840 Speaker 1: different way in these values based schools. So how are 282 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 1: they able to graduate students that have a strong understanding 283 00:14:24,760 --> 00:14:28,360 Speaker 1: in all aspects, whether it is reading or literature, writing 284 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: or math, or history or science. They have these comprehensive 285 00:14:33,120 --> 00:14:36,840 Speaker 1: programs and the students come out with opportunity. But we 286 00:14:36,920 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 1: still keep graduating students from Detroit public schools their only 287 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,680 Speaker 1: opportunity is a life of crime because they don't have 288 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: enough knowledge to work in a career. I mean, if 289 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: you can't read, you can't do math. If you can't read, 290 00:14:52,480 --> 00:14:55,760 Speaker 1: you can't give somebody change at the store. People don't 291 00:14:55,840 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: understand how devastating it is to have under forming schools, 292 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:05,560 Speaker 1: and underperforming isn't even a significant and failing schools totally 293 00:15:05,560 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: failing schools. If you cannot read, what kind of a 294 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:09,960 Speaker 1: life do you have? 295 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:11,520 Speaker 2: That's exactly right. 296 00:15:11,560 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 3: And one of my first studies actually linked the Milwaukee 297 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,960 Speaker 3: prontal choice program to crime later on in life, and 298 00:15:17,000 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 3: since then there are six peer reviewed studies on the topic. 299 00:15:20,200 --> 00:15:22,680 Speaker 3: I've done two of them, and all of them find 300 00:15:22,760 --> 00:15:27,760 Speaker 3: statistically significant positive effects of school choice on reducing crime. 301 00:15:28,280 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 2: For example, there's this one study from. 302 00:15:30,720 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: And let me pause you there for a second, because 303 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:37,760 Speaker 1: Michigan has four of the twenty most violent cities in 304 00:15:37,800 --> 00:15:40,800 Speaker 1: the country. Detroit is one of those. Way I think 305 00:15:40,840 --> 00:15:43,840 Speaker 1: Detroit is it's always battling. How sad is this for 306 00:15:44,080 --> 00:15:46,200 Speaker 1: number one or two on the most violent cities in 307 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 1: the country. And that would say, you have all these 308 00:15:49,040 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 1: democrats coming out and saying we've got to have gun 309 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:54,080 Speaker 1: laws and we've got to prevent people from getting guns. 310 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: How about we educate people? What about that? 311 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:57,200 Speaker 2: That's right? 312 00:15:57,280 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 3: And look for example one of these in New York City, 313 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 3: for example, in Harlem Children's Zone, they found that winning 314 00:16:03,960 --> 00:16:08,040 Speaker 3: a lottery to attend a charter school reduced adult or 315 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:11,680 Speaker 3: incarceration for male students by about by one hundred percent. 316 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,360 Speaker 3: It was a complete elimination of crime for male students 317 00:16:14,680 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 3: and female students. It was a fifty nine percent reduction 318 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 3: in the likelihood of reporting a teenage pregnancy, all LSEQL 319 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:25,360 Speaker 3: after controlling for backgrounds in student and family characteristics. So 320 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,040 Speaker 3: school choice can't only benefit you just based on test 321 00:16:29,080 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 3: scores or academics. There's a lot of these non academic 322 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: benefits because parents are choosing schools for a ton of 323 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:38,680 Speaker 3: different reasons, partially based on academics and getting a better education, 324 00:16:38,760 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 3: which leads to a lot of these longer term benefits, 325 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:43,800 Speaker 3: but also they're choosing safe schools. They want a school 326 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: that's aligned with their values. And so we shouldn't expect 327 00:16:47,160 --> 00:16:50,880 Speaker 3: school choice to only benefit students on standardized test scores. 328 00:16:51,400 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 3: And to get to your first point about you know, 329 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 3: this hasn't help the low income students. 330 00:16:56,160 --> 00:16:57,520 Speaker 2: That's completely backwards. 331 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 3: I mean they're describing the status quo where the most 332 00:17:00,680 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 3: advantage already have school choice. And a lot of these 333 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 3: hypocrites who vote against school choice, they either went to 334 00:17:05,920 --> 00:17:09,119 Speaker 3: private school themselves or they sent their kids to private school. 335 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:12,560 Speaker 3: In North Carolina, for example, their governor Roy Cooper's a 336 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 3: massive hypocrits sent his own kid to private school, which 337 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:16,080 Speaker 3: I don't blame him for that. 338 00:17:16,600 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I love that he called for it, But yeah, 339 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:23,320 Speaker 1: you don't blame him. But how crazy that you would 340 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: rob other. 341 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:27,200 Speaker 3: Kids Exactly, So don't shut the door behind you. Joe 342 00:17:27,200 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 3: Biden sent his kids to private school. He exclusively attended 343 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:35,120 Speaker 3: private school. You got Gavin Newsom Mount in California. There's 344 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 3: so many of these high profile Democrats who are just 345 00:17:38,880 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 3: massive hypocrites on the issue of school choice. And it's 346 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 3: because this has nothing to do with logic or morality. 347 00:17:44,320 --> 00:17:47,359 Speaker 3: So it's all about power and the Democrats being owned 348 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,200 Speaker 3: by the teachers' unions. But look, there's a new special 349 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 3: interest group that has emerged and they're called parents, and 350 00:17:53,320 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 3: they care about their kids more than else. 351 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 2: I think they're going to win the war. 352 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 3: I mean, we have red states topplinglies all across the country, 353 00:18:01,880 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 3: seven of them going all in in two years. 354 00:18:03,760 --> 00:18:04,600 Speaker 2: It's just massive. 355 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:06,680 Speaker 3: And we have a lot of other victories this year 356 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,360 Speaker 3: where they're a little more incremental, not universal. We had 357 00:18:09,359 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 3: South Carolina, Montana, Wisconsin just had a pretty big win. 358 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:14,560 Speaker 2: New Hampshire, Indiana. 359 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:18,200 Speaker 3: Nebraska got their first private school choice program this year. 360 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,280 Speaker 1: I'm going to complain here for a minute. You are 361 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 1: saying things that are just absolutely incredible, and honestly, it's 362 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: the first time I've heard the crime number that you 363 00:18:27,760 --> 00:18:30,960 Speaker 1: gave that it's if you go to if you leave 364 00:18:31,000 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: and you attend a private school, you have one hundred 365 00:18:32,840 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: percent reduction in becoming a criminal or having criminal activity 366 00:18:36,800 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 1: in your life. Fifty nine percent reduction in an unwanted pregnancy. 367 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:45,120 Speaker 1: Why do we not hear that? Because I will tell you, 368 00:18:45,720 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 1: I watch what the Democrats do, and they go out 369 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,159 Speaker 1: and they tell you, we're going to make sure that 370 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:56,040 Speaker 1: we reduce gun violence, and they have no plan to 371 00:18:56,080 --> 00:18:59,240 Speaker 1: reduce gun violence, but they say that the Republicans want guns, 372 00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: and so that hurting our low income neighborhoods. We're going 373 00:19:02,600 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: to make sure they have access to women's healthcare because 374 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,320 Speaker 1: that's hurting these women. Why are we not coming out 375 00:19:08,359 --> 00:19:12,400 Speaker 1: and saying Democrats are forcing these kids into a life 376 00:19:12,400 --> 00:19:14,800 Speaker 1: of crime. But our policies will make sure that they 377 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 1: have opportunity, that they have success, that they move on, 378 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:19,600 Speaker 1: that they are able to work in a team, and 379 00:19:19,640 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: that they are able to have a successful life, that 380 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,719 Speaker 1: they are not in a situation where they end up 381 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:28,320 Speaker 1: even having to look at an abortion because they have 382 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:34,080 Speaker 1: a reduction in unwanted pregnancies. Those policies are just so incredible. 383 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: Why do I not hear about it? What are we 384 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: doing wrong? 385 00:19:37,560 --> 00:19:41,160 Speaker 3: I think Republicans haven't been the education candidate for far 386 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 3: too long, so they've kind of shied away from the 387 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,120 Speaker 3: issue because they weren't the candidate just dumping more money 388 00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: into the system. But I think Glenn Youngkin and you 389 00:19:49,359 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 3: were kind of tapping into this a little bit as well, 390 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:55,480 Speaker 3: talking about it in terms of a positive aspect in 391 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 3: parental rights that really puts Democrats on defense. And with 392 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:01,560 Speaker 3: Terry McCall if, it didn't really work out too well 393 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 3: for him where in a statement went to buy them 394 00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 3: the year before by ten points. Youngin won by six 395 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 3: points with education voters, which was the number two issue 396 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 3: in that election out in Virginia. And just the other 397 00:20:14,920 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 3: day the Virginia primaries just happened, and my organization, the 398 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 3: American Federation for Children, we endorsed eight candidates in their 399 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:26,199 Speaker 3: primaries and seven of them won. So school choice and 400 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,919 Speaker 3: prontal rights is becoming more and more of a political winner. 401 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 3: It doesn't get you across the finish line in every 402 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: single election, but it is something that Republicans should lean 403 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:39,640 Speaker 3: into as hard as possible because think about it, if 404 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,439 Speaker 3: a Republican doesn't say a word about parental rights, well, 405 00:20:43,640 --> 00:20:47,120 Speaker 3: the Democrat doesn't lose any ground about. 406 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:49,760 Speaker 2: Not having to address the issue. 407 00:20:49,760 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 3: Because they have to address the issue of prontal rights, well, 408 00:20:52,640 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 3: they either have to lose ground with the teacher unions 409 00:20:55,920 --> 00:20:58,800 Speaker 3: or the kids union their parents, because if they come 410 00:20:58,840 --> 00:21:01,520 Speaker 3: out four parents, Randy Winegarden is going to be mad 411 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:03,719 Speaker 3: they come out against parents, well, then the parents are 412 00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:07,200 Speaker 3: paying attention more than they ever have before. So Republicans 413 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 3: should lean into this, they should gain more confidence in 414 00:21:11,440 --> 00:21:14,040 Speaker 3: doing so because it really is a winning issue. Look 415 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 3: at the polling, you look at the election results, at 416 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:20,200 Speaker 3: least from the organ the endorsements from my organization. 417 00:21:20,359 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 2: In the midterms, we. 418 00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 3: Targeted sixty nine incumbents and state legislatures for opposing prontal rights, 419 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 3: and we took out forty of them, which is one 420 00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,680 Speaker 3: of the toughest things to do in politics, and then 421 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 3: we won seventy six percent of the races that we 422 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 3: engaged in. So school choice has emerged as a political winner. 423 00:21:40,400 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 3: It's not just the right thing to do, but it's 424 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 3: also politically beneficial as well. 425 00:21:44,400 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 426 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: the Tutor Dixon podcast. How does Randy Weiningarten continue to 427 00:21:53,760 --> 00:21:56,720 Speaker 1: have this much power? I mean, why does she stay 428 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,040 Speaker 1: at the top of this organization and why is she 429 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,920 Speaker 1: the go to for any kids? I know people have 430 00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,000 Speaker 1: come after you before and said, why are you interested 431 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:06,160 Speaker 1: in this you don't have kids. But here's someone who 432 00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,240 Speaker 1: has spent their life and has never had an interest 433 00:22:09,240 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: in having kids. This is a woman who's married to 434 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: another woman. They have no children. She is very obviously 435 00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: someone who is very defensive of the Pride movement and 436 00:22:21,800 --> 00:22:25,600 Speaker 1: pushes that Why does she have this kind of power 437 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,240 Speaker 1: and why does nobody say, where does this come from? 438 00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,679 Speaker 3: I don't know how they reelected her again after she 439 00:22:31,760 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 3: keeps stepping in and over and over again and just 440 00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,359 Speaker 3: making a fool of the unions on a national scale. 441 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 3: I mean, there are a lot of conservative teachers who 442 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,320 Speaker 3: must be really ticked off with Randy Weingarten if they 443 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:43,879 Speaker 3: look at her Twitter feed. I mean, she's just attacking 444 00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:49,160 Speaker 3: Republicans left and right in conservative values NonStop every day, 445 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: several tweets just attacking Republicans and Republican politicians and conservatives. 446 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,840 Speaker 3: And I would be upset if I was a teacher 447 00:22:56,880 --> 00:23:00,240 Speaker 3: junior member. But at the same time, I think we 448 00:23:00,280 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 3: shouldn't we shouldn't tell them, we should be quiet. Let 449 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 3: Randy Winegarden continue to make them look horrible because they're 450 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 3: doing more to advance the concepts of school choice and 451 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 3: homeschooling than anyone could have ever imagined. So perhaps we 452 00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,880 Speaker 3: should actually donate to continue the reign of Randy Winegarden 453 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,359 Speaker 3: so that we can keep continuing to win on the 454 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,680 Speaker 3: front of educational freedom, because the more that they make 455 00:23:23,720 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 3: themselves look like look like idiots. 456 00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,000 Speaker 2: I mean, she was just in Ukraine. 457 00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,120 Speaker 3: I woke up to a tweet like a couple months ago, 458 00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:31,639 Speaker 3: and I thought it was a Babylon b article, but 459 00:23:31,680 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 3: it wasn't. 460 00:23:32,160 --> 00:23:33,440 Speaker 2: And it wasn't a dream either. 461 00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:36,399 Speaker 3: It was actually Randy Winingarten saying that she was in 462 00:23:36,560 --> 00:23:39,879 Speaker 3: Ukraine going to the front lines to assess the situation. 463 00:23:40,080 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: I was like, what are you going to do make 464 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,000 Speaker 3: the war go remote like you did with the schools? 465 00:23:45,359 --> 00:23:47,160 Speaker 2: That might actually that might have actually helped. 466 00:23:47,200 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: But it just so happened that she left to Ukraine 467 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: right when the nation's report card scores were coming out 468 00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:58,120 Speaker 3: finding devastating learning loss. And you just mentioned that even 469 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,840 Speaker 3: more scores just came out from twenty twenty refinding basically 470 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:04,040 Speaker 3: all time lows and reading in the first time in 471 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 3: like fifty years lows in reading for the nation's report card. 472 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 3: Perhaps we'll see that she's out in Ukraine next next 473 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 3: week to avoid addressing the catasalismic learning loss that. 474 00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 2: She's responsible for in the government school system. 475 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,199 Speaker 1: That's another thing. I mean, you see, that is a 476 00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,800 Speaker 1: pretty extravagant trip, and she's been on several extravagant trips. 477 00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 1: For someone who is in charge of the Teachers' Union 478 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:31,720 Speaker 1: for the United States, she certainly does leave the United 479 00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:35,159 Speaker 1: States quite a bit. But that's not unique to Randy Weingarten. 480 00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:38,120 Speaker 1: This is something that we see in our schools. If 481 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:42,600 Speaker 1: you were too foya what is happening with the administration 482 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: at these schools, you would find that they spend weeks 483 00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: in Hawaii, they spend weeks in the Caribbean. They have 484 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: these exotic, extravagant trips that cost sometimes in the hundreds 485 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:56,360 Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars for just a few administrators from 486 00:24:56,440 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: one school or one district to go on this extravagant 487 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 1: and we're being told they need more money, teachers aren't 488 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: getting paid enough. Why do the teachers not say, wait 489 00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:08,840 Speaker 1: a minute, are you kidding me that you took seven 490 00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:11,399 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars and went on an extravagant 491 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: trip with four or five people from this district, and 492 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:17,880 Speaker 1: that was pulled out of the system because it's all expense, 493 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,240 Speaker 1: it's all taxpayer money. How is this not How are 494 00:25:21,280 --> 00:25:22,960 Speaker 1: people not making a bigger deal out of this? 495 00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 3: Yeah, look, the government school system has become more of 496 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 3: a jobs program for adults, particularly administrators, than an education 497 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 3: initiative for kids. And yeah, the teachers should be upset 498 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 3: about the policies pushed by people like Randy Weingarten, who 499 00:25:36,359 --> 00:25:39,240 Speaker 3: make over five hundred thousand dollars a year. They pushed 500 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:43,080 Speaker 3: for putting more people into the buildings, particularly administrators, which 501 00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,440 Speaker 3: means more dues paying members for all these unions, which 502 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 3: means more money to the Democratic campaigns. 503 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:52,280 Speaker 2: I mean, it's all part of the same problem. 504 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: You're pushing to have it and mold directly from their 505 00:25:55,560 --> 00:25:58,399 Speaker 1: paychecks so they don't even see it. It just gets 506 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,320 Speaker 1: so those dues are there, that money is there. But 507 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: I mean I'm talking about even beyond the money that's 508 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,840 Speaker 1: going into the union. Money that goes into the schools 509 00:26:07,920 --> 00:26:11,160 Speaker 1: is being used nefariously as being used for vacations. I mean, 510 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: in some schools you're even the teachers even are allowed 511 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:18,480 Speaker 1: to go get plastic surgery on the taxpayer's diamond. How 512 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: is this possible? That we are not saying, Okay, wait 513 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: a minute, wait a minute, we're going to pay the teachers. 514 00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:25,960 Speaker 1: We're going to get money into the classroom, and we're 515 00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,119 Speaker 1: going to have results. Because I come from the manufacturing world. 516 00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:31,919 Speaker 1: If I make, if I have a product line that 517 00:26:32,040 --> 00:26:37,600 Speaker 1: is making even seventy five percent good product, but I mean, 518 00:26:37,720 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: we're talking about having five percent good product ninety five 519 00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: percent scrap in the manufacturing world. So ninety five percent 520 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:48,920 Speaker 1: of a problem. And they are still getting money in 521 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:53,480 Speaker 1: Detroit and they're spending money on vacations. How can it be. 522 00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,159 Speaker 3: It's because the government schools are not directly accountable to 523 00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: families like charter and private schools are. And so if 524 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 3: we had universal school choice, that twenties or so thousand 525 00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:06,080 Speaker 3: dollars in Detroit public schools, so that went directly to parents, 526 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 3: and they could vote with their feet to different institutions. 527 00:27:09,200 --> 00:27:11,800 Speaker 3: If they saw that one institution was failing their kids 528 00:27:11,840 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 3: for decades, you think that school would still be open. No, 529 00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,199 Speaker 3: they would rip their kids out, take that scholarship to 530 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:21,400 Speaker 3: another institution, probably for less money that's doing a better job, 531 00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:23,959 Speaker 3: and you'd have a free market in education. That's how 532 00:27:24,040 --> 00:27:26,760 Speaker 3: it should work. I mean, just think about it. It's 533 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:31,000 Speaker 3: totally ridiculous. How you live in one place and you 534 00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 3: have to shop at one particular K to twelve educational 535 00:27:34,560 --> 00:27:37,239 Speaker 3: institution and you got to go there, you residentially assigned there. 536 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,880 Speaker 3: You have to pay through it through compulsory property taxes 537 00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 3: and other tax streams. 538 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 2: And if you don't like it, it's basically too bad. 539 00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:47,479 Speaker 3: You have to move houses, which is extremely costly, especially 540 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 3: for low income families, or pay out a pocket for 541 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 3: another provider. 542 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 2: We don't do that with anything else. I mean, just 543 00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 2: imagine if you didn't like. 544 00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,000 Speaker 3: Your grocery store in your area and it was serving 545 00:27:58,040 --> 00:28:02,879 Speaker 3: you expired food and it was giving you food poisoning 546 00:28:02,920 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 3: each week, and it cost a ton of money, and 547 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,200 Speaker 3: you had to move houses in order to get to 548 00:28:07,240 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: a better grocery store. 549 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:09,280 Speaker 2: It want to make any sense. 550 00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 3: Or if you had to pay twice you had to 551 00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:14,080 Speaker 3: pay for the poison food well also having to pay 552 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,879 Speaker 3: for another provider, that doesn't make sense. We don't do 553 00:28:16,920 --> 00:28:20,719 Speaker 3: that with food SAMs either. The funding follows the parents decision. 554 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:22,919 Speaker 3: You're not assigned to a government run grocery store, and 555 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,280 Speaker 3: that explains ninety percent of the problems in the government 556 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,840 Speaker 3: school today, if parents it could choose, you would fix 557 00:28:30,000 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 3: everything from the bottom up organically. 558 00:28:32,680 --> 00:28:35,360 Speaker 1: Is there a way to start in states like Michigan, 559 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: for example, where this is not the case? I mean, 560 00:28:38,000 --> 00:28:41,640 Speaker 1: you can choice within your area, you can go to 561 00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 1: a different district, but you can't go to a private school. 562 00:28:45,040 --> 00:28:48,400 Speaker 1: So for states where that's not available, is there a 563 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:52,120 Speaker 1: way for parents who are truly very involved and want 564 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:54,600 Speaker 1: to see this. Is there a way for them to 565 00:28:54,720 --> 00:28:58,120 Speaker 1: push back on this by choosing a values based school? 566 00:28:58,280 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: Because I think a lot of people think gods out 567 00:28:59,880 --> 00:29:02,320 Speaker 1: of my price range. I can't do it. But what 568 00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:05,120 Speaker 1: I'd like people to hear is that oftentimes these values 569 00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: based schools are willing to help you. And we have 570 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:12,200 Speaker 1: seen in our area our schools, our private schools are overflowing. 571 00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,640 Speaker 1: Now they are actually telling people we have a wait list, 572 00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,600 Speaker 1: we can't get you on. And the public schools are 573 00:29:17,800 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: somewhat panicked because they're saying, well, why are all these 574 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:22,600 Speaker 1: kids leaving? But isn't that a great way to send 575 00:29:22,600 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 1: them the message do better? 576 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:24,400 Speaker 2: That's right? 577 00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:27,200 Speaker 3: And the government schools nationwide have lost over a million 578 00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:30,960 Speaker 3: students since pre pandemic levels. So people are already voting 579 00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 3: with their fee and people need to be aware of 580 00:29:33,760 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 3: their options. So look in Michigan, there are any private 581 00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: school choice programs yet, but there is a wide variety 582 00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 3: of charter schools and there are classical charter schools as 583 00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 3: well that parents can choose. So I would look into that. 584 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,480 Speaker 3: Charter schools have zero dollar tuition, so they're free. But 585 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 3: what that means is there is a lot of waitlists 586 00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: a lot of the times at the best schools, but 587 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 3: you should still look into that. Also homeschooling, Yes, there 588 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:02,880 Speaker 3: are cost associated with homeschooling, but there's also micro schooling 589 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 3: or pandemic pods that a lot of people were talking 590 00:30:05,080 --> 00:30:08,360 Speaker 3: about over the past few years, where you essentially economize 591 00:30:08,360 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 3: on the process of homeschooling. Get about ten students together 592 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:13,880 Speaker 3: in a household and you can have a private tutor 593 00:30:13,960 --> 00:30:16,160 Speaker 3: or have the parents switch off to where it's not 594 00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 3: as costly as homeschooling, where it's one on one and 595 00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:21,440 Speaker 3: it requires all of your time. If you do this 596 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 3: micro school concept, that could be another option as well, 597 00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:29,600 Speaker 3: to be more economically feasible by banding together with other 598 00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,720 Speaker 3: parents and other students as well. 599 00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 2: And so are some of the options. 600 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 3: But I would also fight at the Capitol in a 601 00:30:38,200 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 3: peaceful way for school choice bills. 602 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 2: Michigan came pretty close. 603 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:47,800 Speaker 3: For example, when the Republicans controlled the legislature, the hypocrite governor, 604 00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,000 Speaker 3: Governor Whitmer vetoed that we're pretty close to overturning it 605 00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:59,080 Speaker 3: with the signature gathering. But now Democrats are in control 606 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 3: of the legislature in Michigan. But so I think one 607 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,120 Speaker 3: of the one of the best solutions is to try 608 00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: to live in a red state or to turn your 609 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 3: blue state into. 610 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:12,640 Speaker 2: A red state. And one way to get there. 611 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:16,640 Speaker 1: We are one way to get a purple state. We 612 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: became blue, but I always encourage people stay so that 613 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:21,680 Speaker 1: we can we can go back. 614 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,320 Speaker 3: And one way to get there is for Republicans to 615 00:31:24,400 --> 00:31:27,400 Speaker 3: lean into school choice and prontal rights as a political winner. 616 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 3: The more that they do that, the more that Democrats 617 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 3: will either have to defect on the issue and maybe 618 00:31:33,160 --> 00:31:36,120 Speaker 3: you'll get some more bipartisan support to pass these policies 619 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:39,240 Speaker 3: in purple ished or blue states or red states. But 620 00:31:39,320 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 3: if not, they should lose elections on the issue because 621 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 3: school choice is such a popular issue, and perhaps the 622 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,600 Speaker 3: blue or purple will turn back into red on the 623 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 3: issue of education freedom. So that's a couple of ways 624 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:53,240 Speaker 3: to get there well. 625 00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,480 Speaker 1: And before I let you go, I always like to 626 00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: tell the people who are listening. The other thing that 627 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 1: I think you have to consider as a parent today 628 00:32:01,000 --> 00:32:03,360 Speaker 1: that we really didn't have to consider when we were 629 00:32:03,360 --> 00:32:06,200 Speaker 1: growing up, is you are in their life for K 630 00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 1: through twelve, so you can have a big influence on 631 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 1: what's happening on K through twelve, and especially if you 632 00:32:12,440 --> 00:32:15,200 Speaker 1: do look for that values based school and that aligns 633 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,880 Speaker 1: with what you're teaching at home. But once those kids 634 00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:20,560 Speaker 1: go to college, it's a whole new world out there, 635 00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,280 Speaker 1: and there are values based universities. I mean, Michigan, we 636 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:26,240 Speaker 1: have Hillsdale, we have Cornerstone, we have Hope Calvin, all 637 00:32:26,280 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: of these universities that I think a lot of people 638 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: think that's out of my range. I can't do that, 639 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 1: really take a hard look at that, because I've had 640 00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,800 Speaker 1: so many people tell me we had our kids until 641 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,240 Speaker 1: they went to college, and now it's like they're totally 642 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: different people. And that's something that I think is that 643 00:32:42,520 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: next push in professors, they are really pushing this like 644 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:51,000 Speaker 1: separate kids from their parents, and it's devastating. 645 00:32:50,760 --> 00:32:53,200 Speaker 3: And I mean, look, I think the left is going 646 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:57,360 Speaker 3: to continue quadrupling down on this anti parent rhetoric. And 647 00:32:57,840 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 3: you know, if you look at some of the founders 648 00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:04,040 Speaker 3: of the public education system, like Horace Man, they explicitly 649 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 3: said that the purpose of the government's school compulsory school 650 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 3: system is to create good citizens in ways that they thought. 651 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 2: That were aligned with their values. 652 00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 3: And we're seeing that today a lot of the people 653 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,320 Speaker 3: in the school system, they don't see it as a 654 00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:26,600 Speaker 3: way to educate kids in the basics. They see it 655 00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,520 Speaker 3: as a way to raise other people's kids. But hopefully 656 00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 3: the left will lose control over the minds of other 657 00:33:33,000 --> 00:33:37,240 Speaker 3: people's children soon. And this is really a battle not 658 00:33:37,400 --> 00:33:39,960 Speaker 3: left versus right though, It's a battle about who do 659 00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 3: the kids belong to? What are parental rights? Who should 660 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,720 Speaker 3: make those decisions for the children. Do the kids belong 661 00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:49,760 Speaker 3: to the government, to the government institutions, to the state, 662 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 3: or do they belong to the parents? And do the 663 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,400 Speaker 3: parents have the best information to make these decisions for 664 00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 3: their own kids? And I think most people in society 665 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:01,160 Speaker 3: are not communists who thinks belong to the government. 666 00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:03,680 Speaker 2: They understand prontal rights. 667 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 3: So again, politicians would be wise to listen to parents 668 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,520 Speaker 3: and to run on parnal rights as a political winner 669 00:34:11,600 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 3: going forward. 670 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:15,520 Speaker 1: Well, Joe Biden would tell you they are not your kids, 671 00:34:15,600 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 1: they are our kids. And I think that has been 672 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:21,480 Speaker 1: scaring people quite a bit, but maybe they haven't heard enough. 673 00:34:21,520 --> 00:34:23,319 Speaker 1: I think that's at least two or three times that 674 00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: he's publicly come out and said that. Now, So make 675 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: sure you know exactly what that means, because that is 676 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,040 Speaker 1: the that is big education, big education coming for your kids. 677 00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 2: Corey. 678 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:35,240 Speaker 1: Tell our listeners where they can get your book. 679 00:34:36,000 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 3: You can just google DeAngelis Mediocrity and you'll find it. 680 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 2: But it's on Amazon. 681 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 3: It's mediocrity forty ways government schools are failing today's students. 682 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:46,359 Speaker 2: And here is the cover. 683 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 3: It's with my co author Connor Boyak. Get it an 684 00:34:49,120 --> 00:34:50,480 Speaker 3: Amazon mediocrity. 685 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,440 Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much, Corey DeAngelis. Thank you for 686 00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,680 Speaker 1: coming on. It's always good to hear about what you're 687 00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: working on, because you're working for all of us and 688 00:34:57,680 --> 00:35:02,359 Speaker 1: we appreciate that. Thank you so much, Tutor, and thank 689 00:35:02,400 --> 00:35:04,760 Speaker 1: you all for joining me on the Tutor Dixon Podcast. 690 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: As always, for this episode and others, go to tutordisonpodcast 691 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: dot com. You can subscribe right there, or check out 692 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:14,880 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your 693 00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:17,440 Speaker 1: podcasts and join us the next time on the Tutor 694 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: Dixon Podcast. Have a great day.