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Speaker 1: This is One Bill's Live, presented by called Lida Health.

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Speaker 2: What's up, everybody. You made it to the end of

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Speaker 2: the week. Congratulations because Friday is here. Matti Glab alongside

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Speaker 2: CBS Sports Draft and NFL analyst Chris Trepasso joining us

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Speaker 2: for today. He was on with us yesterday. We had

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Speaker 2: a short show, just one hour yesterday, but we are

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Speaker 2: back on from one to three today. Got a great

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Speaker 2: show for you. We're gonna be talking about the Bill's roster,

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Speaker 2: and then at two o'clock we have former Bills defensive

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Speaker 2: end Marcellus Wiley on with us. He'll join us via

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Speaker 2: zoom and I'm excited to kind of hear from him

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Speaker 2: some maybe training camp stories here, what he has to

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Speaker 2: say about this roster, about the NFL today, and maybe

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Speaker 2: some of the defensive ends on this roster as well.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be good to talk to a former Bill

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Speaker 2: in Marcellus Wiley. And we've also got our Friday fan

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Speaker 2: mail bag. So if you guys have anything you want

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Speaker 2: to ask us, go ahead add tweet at us or

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Speaker 2: give us call eighth three oh five point fifty. Our

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Speaker 2: phone lines are open. You can ask us just about

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Speaker 2: anything from the roster to training camp, to the season,

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Speaker 2: to the NFL, We'll answer whatever you have for us.

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Speaker 2: We've been talking about the window that this team has,

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Speaker 2: the fact that we still believe it's very much open

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Speaker 2: as long as you have Josh Allen on your team

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Speaker 2: and because of the team that the Bills have, and

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Speaker 2: this is the time to through the roster, to preview

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Speaker 2: what the Bills have as we head into training camp

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Speaker 2: at the end of July, which is just a month away,

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Speaker 2: will be in Rochester covering the Bills. Chris, Are you

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Speaker 2: gonna be there for any any price?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll pop in. I love popping in.

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Speaker 4: I love the proximity to the team, Like you're in

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Speaker 4: a Division three football stadium. You are right there, the fans,

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Speaker 4: the media members. That's what's really good about it. And

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Speaker 4: it's fun to kind of dial into those position group

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Speaker 4: battles things like that. It's always it's like the dawn

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Speaker 4: least get out there a couple times.

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Speaker 2: What do you keep your eye on in training camp

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Speaker 2: season for the NFL? Are you you said you're gonna

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Speaker 2: pop in for the Bills? You pop in in anywhere else?

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Speaker 2: Do you kind of just monitor things from the screen

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Speaker 2: from your laptop, from the TV kind of to check

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Speaker 2: in on position, group battles and what the biggest storylines

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Speaker 2: are out of training camp.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't go to any other training camps. I

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Speaker 4: haven't had to do that for work, but I definitely

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Speaker 4: only three or four times I'll pop in to Saint

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Speaker 4: John Fisher. Me being a draft guy, I love watching

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Speaker 4: like the young players, see how the rookies are playing,

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Speaker 4: or those second year guys. We talked about Khalil Shakir yesterday.

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Speaker 4: It's always fun monitoring their growth and if those players

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Speaker 4: can become if the rookies, you know, players who weren't

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Speaker 4: on the team last year, or for someone like Shakir

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Speaker 4: or Christian Benford, serious players on this team that are

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Speaker 4: not just role players, that are key contributors.

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Speaker 3: So that's what I mostly.

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Speaker 4: Zero in on, without you know, obviously watching Josh Allen

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Speaker 2: So Currie on curiosity question for you, since your draft guy,

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Speaker 2: what are you doing right now that you're already preparing

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Speaker 4: So, yeah, some are Scouting is definitely a thing I'll

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Speaker 4: say I don't do a ton of it because I

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Speaker 4: put the most onus on a college player's final season.

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Speaker 4: So you definitely, as you're scouting one draft, you write

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Speaker 4: down some guys who are either you know, freshman or sophomore.

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Speaker 4: I go back June, July and into August, rewatch some

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Speaker 4: of them, write some very general, not super nerdy scouting

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Speaker 4: he's probably not someone that's on the first or the

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Speaker 4: into that range. You just definitely have to keep going,

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Speaker 2: So does that mean on Saturdays you are glued to

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Speaker 4: So a lot of people think that because of technology today,

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Speaker 4: I mostly watch them back because it's usually Sundays. Beyond

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Speaker 3: I'm just a college football fan to begin with.

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Speaker 2: That's good.

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Speaker 4: Games when Tennessee and Alabama played, I was just watching

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Speaker 4: college football. I certainly probably watch a normal amount of

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Speaker 4: college football, but it's not exceedingly you know, from noon

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Speaker 3: Watching them after is a lot faster.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, at training camp, we will we also won't

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Speaker 2: gonna win this position battle, who's going to win that position,

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Speaker 2: who's going to be the dark horse of training camp,

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Speaker 2: who's going to be the one name that emerges, because

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Speaker 2: there's always one guy that everybody tends to talk about

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Speaker 2: during training camp, whether that's on offense or defense. We

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Speaker 2: had Kevin Clark on a couple of days ago, senior

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Speaker 2: can separate them from other teams. In fact, it could

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Speaker 2: So we want to play the SoundBite to set up

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Speaker 5: They're in the next year. I mean, I think that unfortunately,

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Speaker 5: from a hot tape prognostication standpoint, like it's hard for

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Speaker 5: in the roster. That's all that. That's basically the differentiation

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Speaker 5: gonna be so hard to stave them off. But Josh Allen,

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Speaker 5: Sean McDermott, Brandon be making the decision. The talent on

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Speaker 5: this roster, they're always gonna be in the mix, and

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Speaker 5: I think you're gonna see double digit wins as the floor.

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Speaker 5: And then from there comes down to the things I

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Speaker 2: Okay, so he had a great point there. It'll come

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Speaker 2: down to, of course health on a roster. But I

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Speaker 2: love the point that he said, a couple career seasons

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Speaker 2: a couple B plus players. So we wanted to kind

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Speaker 2: of go through who the Bills have on their squad

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Speaker 2: right now and name some of those guys, some of

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Speaker 2: those B B plus players who could have career seasons

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Speaker 2: to kind of lay out who the B plus players are,

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Speaker 2: we want to cover who the A players are. And

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Speaker 2: first of all, too, why did you like that point

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Speaker 2: from Kevin Clark, Because it's one that I don't know

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Speaker 2: if I have heard it before, but it's a really

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Speaker 2: great point to make, because if you want to make

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Speaker 2: that team that can beat just about anybody, you have

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Speaker 2: and you probably need to get a little bit more

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I mean, football is the ultimate team game,

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Speaker 4: and every team has stars. If we're comparing the Bills

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Speaker 4: It really does come down to those middle of the

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Speaker 4: So in this case, it's kind of saying, your players

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Speaker 4: maybe even All Pro caliber type players. Matt Mulano to me,

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Speaker 3: He's moved into that elite realm. I think that is.

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Speaker 4: You know what you're gonna get from Patrick Homes, you

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Speaker 4: Fon Diggs, Jamar Chase, Joe Burrow. How well do those

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Speaker 4: ultimately what I think it comes down to. Because the

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Speaker 2: Okay, So let's cover those A players on this roster,

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Speaker 2: and if you guys want to get involved in the conversation,

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Speaker 2: give us a call here aighth three to five point

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Speaker 2: fifty on who you think some B plus players are

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Speaker 2: that could play up to maybe an A level this

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Speaker 2: we have Josh Allen, Stefan Diggs, von Miller. Who are

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Speaker 2: some other A players in your mind?

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Speaker 4: Okay, so you listed three, those are the good ones

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Speaker 4: I think, and this might be controversial, but given the

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Speaker 4: Micah Hyde coming off the injury, and Jordan Poyer are.

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Speaker 3: To a safety.

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Speaker 4: So that's five total players. I think when they're to

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Speaker 4: get whither in this Sean McDermott defense. You talked about

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Speaker 4: the og Bills from the being in McDermott era. Those

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Speaker 4: guys were signed in twenty seventeen. They know the Sean

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Speaker 4: they are both A players. I also think Matt Malano

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Speaker 2: Was thinking about that too, So yeah.

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Speaker 4: To me, the Bills have six or seven unquestioned top players.

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Speaker 3: At their position, whether you want to.

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Speaker 4: Cut it off at top three, top five, top seven,

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Speaker 4: I think those seven, to me are a players on

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Speaker 2: And you're not just comparing these players to the players

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Speaker 3: And this is beyond just what I think.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so we have our A players, so that kind

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Speaker 2: Who are some B plus players that you think could

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll start, and again to kind of frame this

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Speaker 4: I think from twenty seventeen to twenty twenty he's the

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Speaker 4: I think most players at a relatively young age. How

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Speaker 3: I think in the first.

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Speaker 4: This is not a thirty three or thirty four year

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Speaker 4: He's had so much ball production. If Tredevius White goes

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Speaker 3: From that injury.

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Speaker 4: Facing the likes of Jamar Chase and Keenan Allen and

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Speaker 3: That goes a long way for the Bill's defense.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And we heard from several players and Sean McDermot

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Speaker 2: And I said this a few days ago. Is because

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Speaker 2: He looks like he's back to his old self, to

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Speaker 4: Quick story on that, so, I mentioned that I had

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Speaker 4: If you look back at the combine from Tradevius White

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Speaker 4: just always around the football, disrupting passing lanes, disrupting those

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Speaker 2: I think one player for me that I would put

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Speaker 2: I mean last year he did have over eight hundred

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Speaker 2: at all. He had forty eight catches, eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: which is a great number. Had seven touchdowns, which tied

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Speaker 2: He had those five touchdowns in the playoffs in twenty

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Speaker 2: two is not letting those expectations that you had last

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Speaker 2: He needs to show that consistency, He needs to show

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Speaker 4: And this is a perfect segue because on June fifteenth,

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Speaker 4: And to speak to Gabe Davis going from B plus

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Speaker 4: he can just become an a player in terms of

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Speaker 2: I think one nugget two with Gabe Davis before we

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Speaker 3: Gregory Russeau.

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Speaker 4: I think the fact that the Bill signed Leonard Floyd

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Speaker 3: At the beginning of the season.

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Speaker 3: Is he still an A player? Is a B plus?

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Speaker 3: Then last season he improved.

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Speaker 3: He's the most uniquely framed.

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Speaker 4: He's played a lot more football than he did at

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Speaker 2: I know it's easy to say the confidence thing, but

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Speaker 2: saw him double his sacks in his second season in

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Speaker 2: the NFL, going from four his rookie year to eight

439
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Speaker 2: in his sophomore season. You also saw him go from

440
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Speaker 2: ten quarterback hits to fourteen quarterback hits. So you're seeing

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Speaker 2: this trajectory of where he's at, and I hope it's

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Speaker 2: a double digit number for him this upcoming season. I

443
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Speaker 2: think he can be that, and I think a healthy

444
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Speaker 2: Von Miller or a Leonard Floyd on the other side

445
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Speaker 2: allows you to do that. A healthy inside of your

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Speaker 2: defensive line at Oliver, who's going to be an impactful

447
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Speaker 2: player this year fresh off a new contract, a healthy

448
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Speaker 2: Jordan Phillips, Akwon Jones, a Poona Ford. I think all

449
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Speaker 2: of that helps the guys on the edge be able

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Speaker 2: to get out and work and rush the quarterback. Two

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Speaker 2: other players that I look at, I'm kind of putting

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Speaker 2: them in the same category, just because we don't know

453
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Speaker 2: what the share is going to look like yet, and

454
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Speaker 2: we don't know kind of what that position is going

455
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Speaker 2: to look like in some regard with how they want

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Speaker 2: to use both players as James Cook and Damien Harris.

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Speaker 2: I think these are two guys and James Cook is

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Speaker 2: definitely a younger guy who's still He had a good

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Speaker 2: rookie year. He had some flashes here, but he needs

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Speaker 2: to be more consistent. Damian Harris is definitely somebody who

461
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Speaker 2: has flashed and who's had a whole lot of rushing touchdowns,

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Speaker 2: especially you know, short yardage rushing touchdowns, and I think

463
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Speaker 2: he can be that. Last year when he was with

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Speaker 2: the Patriots, Formandre Stevenson took up a lot of the

465
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Speaker 2: carries and everything. So I think he's got a new

466
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Speaker 2: life here in Buffalo. And so I look at James

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Speaker 2: Cook and I look at Damian Harris. I look at

468
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Speaker 2: what the offense might need from both of them this season.

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Speaker 2: It's not going to turn into a rushing first offense

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Speaker 2: and offense that rushes the ball more than they throw

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Speaker 2: the football, because that's not what life is like with

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Speaker 2: a quarterback like Josh Allen. But I think they can

473
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Speaker 2: be a huge asset and a really big help to

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Speaker 2: this offense. If you can get James Cook lined out

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Speaker 2: wide a little bit, if you can get him in

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Speaker 2: a situation where he's catching some passes, catching some screen passes,

477
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Speaker 2: line up in the backfield with his twitch, with his vision,

478
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Speaker 2: throwing guys off, I think that can help this offense

479
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Speaker 2: big time. The consistency you need that there from the

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Speaker 2: rushing offense that really wasn't their last season. And it's

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Speaker 2: not just because of the running backs. It's not just

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Speaker 2: because of the offensive line. I think it's because of

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Speaker 2: both of those positions. So if they can work together,

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Speaker 2: I think if you can have a rushing offense that

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Speaker 2: you can lean on when you need to, especially at

486
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Speaker 2: the end of the year, we always talk about that

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Speaker 2: when it gets colder, when you're gonna need to run

488
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Speaker 2: the rock more. If you can do that and just

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Speaker 2: have it work all the time. I know you're going

490
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Speaker 2: to play some incredible defenses and it may not work

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Speaker 2: on every down, but if you can have them we're

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Speaker 2: consistent rushing attack. I think that can do wonders for

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Speaker 2: Josh Allen and what he's asked of doing or not

494
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Speaker 2: asked of doing this season when he doesn't have to

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Speaker 2: run it two yards into the end zone because you

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Speaker 2: have a bulldozer like Damien Harris who can take that

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Speaker 2: off of his back and.

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Speaker 4: You're saying with them, they're like B or B minus

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Speaker 4: players if they become B plus players and that's huge rule.

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, I'm saying they're more in the B category,

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Speaker 2: not because of what they haven't shown, maybe because of

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Speaker 2: how they are used. You know. I think it's a

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Speaker 2: little bit of what can you do when you're on

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Speaker 2: the field, but also how can you be used? And

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Speaker 2: I think you have to look at both of those

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Speaker 2: things together when you're talking about running backs in Buffalo's offense.

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Speaker 2: So I think when if when they're on the field

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Speaker 2: they can play to the best of their ability, I

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Speaker 2: think they can be looked up at as B plus

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Speaker 2: players who can be difference makers and who can have

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Speaker 2: career years for the Bills.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and they compliment each other like perfectly, like you're

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Speaker 4: talking about thunder and lightning back. I always go back

514
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Speaker 4: to Brandon Bean's time in Carolina. Jonathan Stewart D'Angelo Williams

515
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Speaker 4: were kind of that type where one was the really

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Speaker 4: big boulder of a back inside the red zone, the

517
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Speaker 4: other one was the shiftier player. I think maybe that's

518
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Speaker 4: what the Bills were going for with that pairing. I

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Speaker 4: have two others and I'll be quick. You mentioned Ed Oliver.

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Speaker 4: I think it's just it's obvious with him. Is he

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Speaker 4: now complacent because he got his deal, or is he

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Speaker 4: now motivated to show everyone, hey, I got this money.

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Speaker 4: Some people thought it was too much. Me personally, I

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Speaker 4: thought it was exactly about how much he should have

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Speaker 4: been paid.

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Speaker 3: But he needs to prove, hey, I'm worth this money.

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Speaker 4: And if he becomes the player that I think from

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Speaker 4: a pure talent perspective, it looks like he can be

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Speaker 4: generating more of a push from the inside. Helps Russ,

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Speaker 4: it helps Leonard Floyd von Miller, and would just be

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Speaker 4: big again.

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Speaker 3: Facing the.

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Speaker 4: Collection of quarterbacks, a lot of high caliber, most of

534
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Speaker 4: the best quarterbacks in the league the Bills are facing

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Speaker 4: this year that would go a long way. The other

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Speaker 4: one is on offense, and it's not Dawson because I

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Speaker 4: think with Dalton Kin k Dawston Knox doesn't need to

538
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Speaker 4: become an a player, he doesn't need to be an

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Speaker 4: all pro tight end.

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Speaker 3: The Bills will get enough production out of that position.

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Speaker 4: It's Dion Dawkins because Deon Dawkins, to me, I think

542
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Speaker 4: is unequivocally a B to a B plus player. You

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Speaker 4: could poll people maybe some would have him as you know,

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Speaker 4: a B minus, some would have him in the A range.

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Speaker 4: I think he's just been rock solid during his time

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Speaker 4: thus far with the Bills. And if you're looking at

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Speaker 4: the Bills schedule, almost every team they face has not

548
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Speaker 4: just one, but two really good edge rusher point Micah Parsons,

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Speaker 4: DeMarcus Lawrence, Chase Young, Montese Sweat, Sam Hubbard, and Trey Hendrickson. Uh,

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Speaker 4: It's a long list, Max Crosby. The Raiders just drafted

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Speaker 4: Tyree Wilson at number seven overall. The Chiefs back to

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Speaker 4: back first rounders at the edge rusher spot, the Jets

553
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Speaker 4: back to back edge rushers in the first round. So

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Speaker 4: you're not gonna be able to shut down both teams

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Speaker 4: defensive ends every game.

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Speaker 3: But if you can shut down one of them.

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Speaker 4: Their elite guy, or at least keep him at bay,

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Speaker 4: and I think Deon Dawkins is obviously the most well

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Speaker 4: suited to do that.

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Speaker 3: That goes a.

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Speaker 4: Long way for what your offense can do. How efficient

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Speaker 4: your quarterback is. We all know Josh Allen is amazing

563
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Speaker 4: off structure, off platform outside the pocket. That's where a

564
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Speaker 4: lot of the highlight reel plays come from. But he's

565
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Speaker 4: still at his best and his passer rating is going

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Speaker 4: to be the highest when he's kept clean inside that pocket.

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Speaker 4: So if Deon Dawkins, if we're talking about him next

568
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Speaker 4: year saying oh, he's an a player now, the Bills

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Speaker 4: will be better offensively than they.

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Speaker 3: Were last year.

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Speaker 2: And I think too the offensive line as a whole,

572
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Speaker 2: Like there's going to be some new faces that are

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Speaker 2: starting this year. There's going to be guys who are

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Speaker 2: healthy starting this year. I'm talking about Spencer Brown here, Like,

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Speaker 2: if they can play up to a different level, if

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Speaker 2: they can bump it up a grade, if they can

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Speaker 2: play like B plus players this year, if they can

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Speaker 2: have all career years together like that is going to

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Speaker 2: do amazing things for the offense and for Josh Allen,

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Speaker 2: And I think it's going to be really hard to

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Speaker 2: touch this offense. If you have an offensive line who

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Speaker 2: really plays up to what everybody is hoping they can

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Speaker 2: play to. You invest a lot of money in the

584
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Speaker 2: offensive line this offseason, and Connor McGovern and David Edwards

585
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Speaker 2: two guys who have been starters. You have some guys

586
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:21,640
Speaker 2: getting back healthy, like Ike Bucker. These are players who

587
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Speaker 2: who I don't know who's going to be starting yet.

588
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Speaker 2: But these are guys who, whether they're starters or whether

589
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Speaker 2: they're coming in for injured players, like if they can

590
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Speaker 2: all have career years, I think we'll see something different

591
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Speaker 2: about this offense that we have not seen yet because

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00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:36,919
Speaker 2: at times last year for the offensive line, because of

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Speaker 2: injuries and other things, it was a struggle for them.

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Speaker 2: They were facing some great defensive lines and they weren't

595
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Speaker 2: always the healthiest. But those are some of our players

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Speaker 2: that we think can be career players this year. B

597
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Speaker 2: plus players who can have career years for the Bills,

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Speaker 2: and some guys who can maybe push the Bills over

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Speaker 2: that hump to be able to make it to that

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Speaker 2: Super Bowl appearance. If you have any guys who you

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Speaker 2: think could play up to B plus level or could

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Speaker 2: have career seasons for the Bills, just give us call

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Speaker 2: here aight, oh three, five fifty. We're going to take

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Speaker 2: a break. When we come back, we're going to tell

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Speaker 2: you about some NFL news and notes that's been going

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Speaker 2: on over the past couple of days. So stick with

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Speaker 2: us here on one Bills Live. We're presented by Kalida

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Speaker 2: Health on Buffalo Bills Radio. We're back here on One

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Speaker 2: Bills Live, Maddi glab and Chris Trapasso. We wanted to

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Speaker 2: let you know about some NFL news and notes going

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Speaker 2: around the NFL. So, Jaguars left tackle Cam Robinson has

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Speaker 2: been suspended four games by the NFL for violating the

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Speaker 2: ped policy. The Jaguars said, We're aware of the four

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Speaker 2: game suspension incurred today by Cam Robinson. While we certainly

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Speaker 2: respect the NFL's ruling and are disappointed with this development,

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Speaker 2: we will port Cam as he works his way through

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Speaker 2: the suspension. We are confident that Cam and our team

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Speaker 2: will rise above this challenge as we collectively move forward.

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Speaker 2: Other news and notes that I wanted to bring up,

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Speaker 2: so last year, Josh Allen was at the match. This year,

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Speaker 2: no Josh Allen, but Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelsey, Steph Curry

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Speaker 2: and Clay Thompson were this year's headliners. And Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 2: and Travis Kelcey beat Steph Curry and Clay Thompson in

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Speaker 2: this year's the match. I honestly did not watch. I

626
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Speaker 2: saw the clip online of von Miller being there and

627
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Speaker 2: smashing his golf cart into Patrick Mahomes's golf cart, which

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Speaker 2: I thought was absolutely hilarious. Did you you don't watch it, Elliot?

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Speaker 3: I didn't?

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Speaker 2: Social media reaction reaction.

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Speaker 4: Back to the first point that the Cam Robinson news

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Speaker 4: does tie into the Bills suspended for the first four games.

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Speaker 4: He will be eligible to return for the London game

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Speaker 4: against the Bills, and that could be looked at, you ways,

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Speaker 4: that's a big boost for the Jaguars or is he

636
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Speaker 4: not going to be conditioned? Is he not going to

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Speaker 4: be in game shape or game ready for that contest?

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Speaker 4: And going back to the draft, as always, the Jaguars

639
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Speaker 4: did pick Anton Harrison from Oklahoma, an offensive tackle, presumably

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Speaker 4: to fill in for Cam Robinson at the very least

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Speaker 4: for that first month of the season when he's out

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Speaker 4: with that ped suspension.

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Speaker 2: The Jaguars also will be in London back to back weeks,

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Speaker 2: so they'll be going into their second game in the London.

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Speaker 2: You could look at that as an advantage for the

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Speaker 2: Jacksonville Jaguars having you know, two weeks to get used

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Speaker 2: to things, the game, to get used to you know,

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Speaker 2: London practice time, just the time change, all of that,

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Speaker 2: and the Bills will catch them in Week five. Jacksonville

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Speaker 2: Jaguars a sneaky good team this year. They could do

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Speaker 2: some damage.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So certainly with Trevor Lawrence, to me, one of the

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Speaker 4: best quarterback prospects that we've seen in the last fifteen years.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, played like it last season. It's going to

656
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Speaker 4: get Calvin Ridley back after that suspension that he served

657
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,680
Speaker 4: all of last season for gambling. Christian Kirk has played well.

658
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 4: Former bill z A. Jones has kind of come into

659
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Speaker 4: his own as at number two or number three option there.

660
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Speaker 4: It was really on the defensive side where they had

661
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:15,160
Speaker 4: some struggles last season. Added some pieces in the offseason

662
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Speaker 4: and the draft. That's where I think how their season

663
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: will ultimately hands. You're gonna get some big time throws

664
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Speaker 4: from Trevor Lawrence. Doug Peterson has proven to be a

665
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,960
Speaker 4: Super Bowl winning offensive mind. So I think offensively they're

666
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Speaker 4: going to be good.

667
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Speaker 3: But can they get to the.

668
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Speaker 4: Quarterback with someone beyond Jaguars ed rusher Josh Allen and

669
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Speaker 4: can they cover in the back end.

670
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Speaker 3: So that's a sneaky fun game.

671
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Speaker 4: And I think with that game with the Dolphins and

672
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Speaker 4: the Chiefs being in Germany, it's almost like the NFL

673
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 4: tested out those international games for a while and now

674
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 4: they're ready to put mar Quy games. Yeah, really good game,

675
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 4: a nine to thirty start. Bill's maffield have plenty of

676
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:55,680
Speaker 4: time to you know, kegs and egg situation. And it

677
00:32:55,720 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 4: feels like everyone that I've talked to, it's like every

678
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 4: other Bills fan I've talked to is going to lunch.

679
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Speaker 3: I know that's like it technically is a home game

680
00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:02,920
Speaker 3: for the.

681
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: Bills, but the Jaguars are always there every year. Be

682
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 4: really interesting when they pan the crowd at that Tottenham Stadium,

683
00:33:10,880 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 4: how much red and blue, how much teal in black

684
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 4: is there in that stadium.

685
00:33:14,520 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: We know what happened the last time the Bills faced

686
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Speaker 2: the Jaguars during the twenty twenty one regular season, a

687
00:33:20,400 --> 00:33:24,880
Speaker 2: nine to six loss. Woolf. Hopefully they can get back

688
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:28,360
Speaker 2: at them this season in London. So there was an

689
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Speaker 2: article that was released yesterday by ESPN from Mike Clay

690
00:33:32,600 --> 00:33:36,840
Speaker 2: and Seth Walder, and the article ranked the NFL rosters

691
00:33:36,920 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 2: for this upcoming season by strengths and weaknesses. So you know,

692
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Speaker 2: the Bills were at the top of the list. The

693
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Speaker 2: Bills number three on this list. I want to talk

694
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Speaker 2: about more than just the Bills, but we'll start with

695
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: the Bills. Kansas City was one, the Eagles were two,

696
00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:58,480
Speaker 2: the Bills were three. So strongest unit. They said safety.

697
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Speaker 2: Would you agree with that?

698
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Speaker 4: I would agree last segment, I said that I still

699
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,480
Speaker 4: think Micah Hyde and Jordan Poyer are a safeties and

700
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Speaker 4: not even just individually, how they play off each other,

701
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,400
Speaker 4: and they've talked about it with you a lot, just

702
00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:13,799
Speaker 4: that they have that cerebral connection of understanding, hey, you're

703
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,680
Speaker 4: a strong safety on this play, I'm free safety. If

704
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 4: I'm here, you need to be there. And then with

705
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Speaker 4: them both returning and the fact that DeMar Hamlin is

706
00:34:22,120 --> 00:34:26,360
Speaker 4: presumably on track to play football again, could Christian Benford

707
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Speaker 4: play safety, and then to bring in Taylor Rapp, who

708
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 4: we mentioned yesterday a lot of people thought was going

709
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,239
Speaker 4: to be one of the bigger ticket items at the

710
00:34:33,280 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 4: safety position. The Bills went from having two elite safeties

711
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,799
Speaker 4: and Jakwan Johnson and Damar Hamlin is depth to a

712
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 4: loaded safety group. So I think that's spot on if

713
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,320
Speaker 4: you're just looking at the Bills roster, piecing it together

714
00:34:46,440 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: positioned by position in terms of strength with top end,

715
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Speaker 4: tailent and depth it's probably safety.

716
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Speaker 2: I just remembered this. I forgot to say it. In

717
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Speaker 2: the first segment, we were talking about players who can have

718
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Speaker 2: career years that are B plus players, and I forgot

719
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Speaker 2: to mention one that I think is on the fringe

720
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Speaker 2: of being an a slash B plus player that has

721
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Speaker 2: to do with the secondary. It's Tarren Johnson. I think

722
00:35:08,280 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 2: under it's so underrated, and I think he plays to

723
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,560
Speaker 2: an a level A lot of times he does. He

724
00:35:13,600 --> 00:35:17,360
Speaker 2: does have impactful plays. He has had game changing plays

725
00:35:17,760 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 2: pick sixes, and I hope we see a lot.

726
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Speaker 3: More of that.

727
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I didn't I didn't want to forget to

728
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 2: mention him. I wanted to bring him up in that

729
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,480
Speaker 2: conversation too, because he's a big part of that defense.

730
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Speaker 2: So this article had weakest unit wide receiver depth, and

731
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Speaker 2: I don't know if I would call it the weakest unit.

732
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Speaker 2: I think there's a question mark with the wide receiver

733
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Speaker 2: depth just because these are all new faces and we're

734
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 2: not exactly sure how it's going to play out yet.

735
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Speaker 2: We know what Stefan Diggs is going to do, we

736
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Speaker 2: know what Gabe Davis is going to do, and hopefully

737
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Speaker 2: he does more than what we think he's going to

738
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 2: do this season. But after that, you have a lot

739
00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:57,000
Speaker 2: of new bodies in the room, a new wide receivers coach,

740
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,200
Speaker 2: an offensive coordinator going into his second season, and I

741
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:02,839
Speaker 2: think with that there's a lot of question marks as

742
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Speaker 2: to what could happen.

743
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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think that this kind of goes back

744
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Speaker 4: to a point that I made yesterday that on paper,

745
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:11,880
Speaker 4: I'm fine with that being listed as the Bill's weakest

746
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Speaker 4: unit or the one with the most question marks because

747
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Speaker 4: of pretty much everything that you just pointed out.

748
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Speaker 3: I think back.

749
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Speaker 4: To a year ago, with Patrick Mahomes, without Tyreek Hill,

750
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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people were wondering what's the

751
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Speaker 4: Chiefs wide receiver group going to look like. The point

752
00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 4: that I made yesterday was when you have an elite quarterback,

753
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Speaker 4: it's not just the most important position on the field

754
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Speaker 4: because of how well they they play individually, it's the

755
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Speaker 4: impact that they have on others that they make people

756
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Speaker 4: around them better. And really, by November or December, no

757
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:46,720
Speaker 4: one was questioning the Chiefs wide receiver group because Patrick

758
00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 4: Mahomes was spreading the football around and having Juju Smith

759
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 4: Schuster play like he did early in his Pittsburgh career

760
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Speaker 4: and MVS play like the Packers wanted him to play

761
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,759
Speaker 4: when they selected him in twenty eighteen. So to me,

762
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 4: it's actually okay if the Bills don't have this star

763
00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:07,239
Speaker 4: studded group with three or four household marquee names like

764
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,200
Speaker 4: I mentioned, Isaiah McKenzie went from a street free agent

765
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:13,080
Speaker 4: to someone that was a very viable contributor in the slot.

766
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 4: Cole Beasley was not re signed by the Dallas Cowboys

767
00:37:16,560 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 4: and then was an All Pro because Josh Allen was

768
00:37:18,880 --> 00:37:22,000
Speaker 4: throwing him the football. So it kind of feels like, yes,

769
00:37:22,080 --> 00:37:25,640
Speaker 4: you need that one elite guy or that helps a lot,

770
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Speaker 4: But as long as you have that quarterback who knows

771
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 4: how to disperse the football has the arm strength to

772
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 4: make all the throws, you can have a group that

773
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:35,400
Speaker 4: doesn't have a bunch of All pros on it and

774
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Speaker 4: he's gonna maximize their talent.

775
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,279
Speaker 2: And I think Josh Allen is old enough to be

776
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Speaker 2: a pro that it doesn't matter who you're throwing the

777
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:43,880
Speaker 2: football to. You are one of the best at your

778
00:37:43,920 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 2: position and you're gonna get the best out of the

779
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 2: guys that you're throwing the rock to. X Factor for

780
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three. This article said safety is Jordan Poyer

781
00:37:52,520 --> 00:37:55,160
Speaker 2: and Mike Hide. Two years ago they fueled the league's

782
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 2: best defense, but in twenty twenty two, they combined for

783
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:01,400
Speaker 2: just fourteen games played. Both are up there in age.

784
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 2: Do they have one more strong season left in them?

785
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 2: Would you say they're an X factor? Would you put

786
00:38:06,080 --> 00:38:08,720
Speaker 2: somebody else in that X factor category for the Bills

787
00:38:08,719 --> 00:38:09,240
Speaker 2: this season?

788
00:38:10,520 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: So I already think they're really good.

789
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,799
Speaker 4: So I don't know I can see where that was

790
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:17,760
Speaker 4: coming from from Seth and Mike because they are older,

791
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 4: and they're coming off a banged up season for Jordan

792
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:21,680
Speaker 4: Poyer and really only one.

793
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Speaker 3: And a half game.

794
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: In my mind, they're already healthy for the entire season.

795
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Speaker 3: Well, what I.

796
00:38:25,840 --> 00:38:28,720
Speaker 4: Think, and this I always bring everything back to the draft.

797
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Speaker 4: What why I don't really view them as X factors

798
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,520
Speaker 4: is that if you're a safety coming into the league

799
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Speaker 4: and you have a forty two inch vertical, your game

800
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 4: is predicated on being a four to three guys, crazy explosive.

801
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 4: As you get into your thirties, you're going to lose

802
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,239
Speaker 4: a step or two or three. You're not going to

803
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 4: be as productive. Micah Hyde was never that guy. Jordan

804
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 4: Poyer was never this freaky athletic specimen. It was all

805
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:58,440
Speaker 4: about positioning, reading the quarterback's eyes, having tremendous ball skills.

806
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: So it feels like they're able.

807
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 4: To kind of age like fine wine because they aren't

808
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 4: just relying on their foot speed and their explosiveness to

809
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:09,359
Speaker 4: be really good players. So whether you want to call

810
00:39:09,400 --> 00:39:11,279
Speaker 4: that an X factor or not, it's up to you.

811
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Speaker 4: But I think coming off injury, they are more apt

812
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,319
Speaker 4: to play how they did in the past, not only

813
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 4: because of how they play in conjunction with each other,

814
00:39:19,800 --> 00:39:24,000
Speaker 4: but again because they weren't previously relying on their athleticism

815
00:39:24,360 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 4: to be the all pro tandem that they've proven to

816
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 4: be in Buffalo.

817
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,760
Speaker 2: I could name like five other X factors. A couple

818
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: of them would be similar position group. Tredevious White as

819
00:39:34,680 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 2: an X factor. Can he be back to his all

820
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 2: pro self this season? How is the offensive line gonna

821
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 2: play with some new faces? What is the defensive line

822
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:47,120
Speaker 2: gonna look like when they're healthy with Vaughn, with Leonard,

823
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: with greg with Jordan Phillips, with Ed Oliver on a

824
00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 2: new contract. Those are just a couple X factors that

825
00:39:54,480 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 2: I think are just as obvious.

826
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I have one. Spencer Brown. We've been talking about.

827
00:40:00,920 --> 00:40:03,640
Speaker 4: Gabe Davis played through that high ankle injury for most

828
00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 4: of the season. Spencer Brown not only was playing through

829
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Speaker 4: a back injury, had the surgery in the offseason. Again,

830
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:12,640
Speaker 4: going back to the draft stuff, six ' nine, just

831
00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,480
Speaker 4: over three hundred pounds, coming out of Northern Iowa and

832
00:40:15,680 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 4: like Russo, only one season at Northern Iowa. Didn't play

833
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:23,400
Speaker 4: that final season because of COVID, got that whole conference,

834
00:40:23,400 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 4: got their whole schedule wiped away. So he is a

835
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Speaker 4: very much a project type player. The fact that he

836
00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 4: played as a rookie and played as well as he

837
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 4: did before some of those back injuries flared up was

838
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,360
Speaker 4: really impressive to me. Now entering year three fully healthy,

839
00:40:40,480 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: not having off season back surgery, which I assume cannot.

840
00:40:43,640 --> 00:40:44,800
Speaker 3: Be too fun.

841
00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 4: Being able to have time to add strength and add

842
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 4: just power to his frame, I think is the key

843
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 4: for him because he is a big time athlete. It

844
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: was all about can he go from six nine three

845
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 4: hundred to six ' nine three twenty or three thirty.

846
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,879
Speaker 4: He certainly has the frame to do it. Brandon Bean

847
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 4: has seemed very confident that, hey, once this guy's healthy,

848
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 4: he's going to be good. I mentioned all the dual

849
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 4: pass rushers on the outside they're going to face. You'd

850
00:41:10,640 --> 00:41:13,160
Speaker 4: kind of know what you have with Dean Dawkins. If

851
00:41:13,200 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 4: Spencer Brown can not only just be on the field

852
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 4: because he was injured a lot last season, but just

853
00:41:17,280 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 4: play like a C plus to a B minus player,

854
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:23,840
Speaker 4: that is huge to have your both bookend offensive tackles

855
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,319
Speaker 4: playing good football with an elite quarterback. That's what you

856
00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 4: Mentioned'd be really hard to stop the Bills offense if

857
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 4: that happens.

858
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 2: One more a part of this number three ranking for

859
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:36,480
Speaker 2: the Bills for rosters in the NFL non starter to

860
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,560
Speaker 2: know was wide receiver Deontay Hardy. Why do you think

861
00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 2: he's a non starter to know?

862
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 4: Well, he falls into the category that I'm obsessed with

863
00:41:44,200 --> 00:41:47,000
Speaker 4: this offseason. Yards after the catch that early in his

864
00:41:47,120 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 4: career with the New Orleans Saints, was a tremendous kick

865
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 4: returner in college at a small school, proved some of

866
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 4: that ability translates to when you're just catching the football

867
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Speaker 4: in space the slot, and in twenty twenty one, certainly

868
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 4: not the high volume type player of a Cooper Cup

869
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 4: or Jamar Chase or Michael Thomas, But if you look

870
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,439
Speaker 4: at what he was doing in terms of creating force,

871
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:15,920
Speaker 4: miss tackles, yards after the catch per reception was up

872
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:17,880
Speaker 4: there near the top of the league. If you filter

873
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,400
Speaker 4: it down to say, only you know, twenty or thirty catches.

874
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 4: Deonty Hardy was that type player. The Bills have gotten

875
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 4: quality production out of the slot and Cole Beasley didn't

876
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 4: get probably what they wanted out of Isaiah McKenzie. What

877
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 4: Deonty Harris I think can bring is a lot of

878
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:36,720
Speaker 4: the same quickness of Cole Beasley, but more juice after

879
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,680
Speaker 4: he catches the ball. Cole Beasley was amazing at finding

880
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: the soft spot in zone or just getting open for

881
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,279
Speaker 4: Josh Allen catching the ball falling forward. Deanti Hardy can

882
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 4: take some of those easy throws underneath and go fifty

883
00:42:48,680 --> 00:42:50,759
Speaker 4: yards for a touchdown. So that is a really good

884
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:53,319
Speaker 4: one to highlight. Because he was injured last season, so

885
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:56,200
Speaker 4: he kind of went into the shadows. But before twenty

886
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 4: twenty and twenty twenty one, he looked like a blossoming

887
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:03,440
Speaker 4: star at that kind of kick returner in space player.

888
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 3: With the Saints.

889
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,920
Speaker 2: We hope health is on the side for the Buffalo Bills.

890
00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 2: This year. We'll be back in a couple minutes. We've

891
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 2: got a caller hanging on the line, so we'll get

892
00:43:10,719 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: to you right after this break where One Bill's Live

893
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:29,680
Speaker 2: present by Colida Health on Buffalo Bills Radio. We're back

894
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:32,360
Speaker 2: here on One Bill's Live. We've been talking about an

895
00:43:32,520 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 2: article that ESPN release ranking the NFL rosters for this

896
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 2: upcoming season, listing some strengths and weaknesses of each team,

897
00:43:41,000 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: and the Bills were number three on the list. One

898
00:43:44,239 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 2: of the parts of ranking them was an X factor

899
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,720
Speaker 2: of the team, and the article listed Buffalo's X factor

900
00:43:52,880 --> 00:43:56,239
Speaker 2: as safeties Jordan Poyer and Micah Hyde. If you can

901
00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 2: get the most out of them since they were injured

902
00:43:58,719 --> 00:44:01,160
Speaker 2: last season, can you get a health season out of

903
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 2: both of them? But we've got a caller hanging on

904
00:44:03,719 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 2: the line. It's Mark from West Seneca and Mark, who

905
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: do you think could be an X factor for this

906
00:44:10,160 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: team this upcoming season?

907
00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:15,800
Speaker 7: For me, there's no doubt. First of all, Holo, Maddie,

908
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:21,319
Speaker 7: I Chris. For me, it's this ranking is pretty much

909
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,160
Speaker 7: where the Bills have been thought to be talent wise

910
00:44:24,200 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 7: for what the last three four years. My X factor

911
00:44:29,000 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 7: is the OC and the DC, and I say this,

912
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:38,440
Speaker 7: I believe both performances by Dorsey and by Leslie Flasier

913
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:42,719
Speaker 7: last year were best barely beest as far as I'm concerned.

914
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:45,480
Speaker 7: And if you and I know, when I bring this

915
00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 7: up with Steve and Chris, they always point to stats.

916
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 7: They say, well, the offense was second highest scoring in

917
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 7: the league last year. The defense is historically top five

918
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 7: every year under Leslie and again last year, and that's wonderful.

919
00:45:01,520 --> 00:45:04,680
Speaker 7: But if you look at the body of work, Dorsey

920
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 7: started out like Gangbusters last year. At the beginning of

921
00:45:07,840 --> 00:45:12,520
Speaker 7: the year, the offense looked unstoppable, and as the season

922
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 7: went on, it looked like the ball was at the

923
00:45:14,880 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 7: top of the hill and slowly started rolling downhill. And

924
00:45:18,880 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 7: as the body of work was being put on tape

925
00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:24,360
Speaker 7: and defensive coordinators we're getting a read on what he

926
00:45:24,440 --> 00:45:27,400
Speaker 7: was trying to do. It became harder and harder to

927
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 7: move the football to get first downs and to score points.

928
00:45:31,160 --> 00:45:33,360
Speaker 7: And there were way too many games through the middle

929
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,360
Speaker 7: of the season to the end where Josh had to

930
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 7: put the Superman cape on for us to win games

931
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,719
Speaker 7: and to be successful. So that if you look at

932
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 7: the body work, I truly believe that is true, but

933
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,439
Speaker 7: I also believe the talent was there if it would

934
00:45:47,440 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 7: have been used properly defensively Leslie Frazier's defenses, his shows.

935
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 7: Over the last three years, their worst performances have historically

936
00:45:57,680 --> 00:46:04,680
Speaker 7: come in the playoffs. Again the last year, injuries did

937
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 7: play into that. I'm not naive and don't point to that,

938
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,319
Speaker 7: but you know, we got to have better performances out

939
00:46:11,320 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 7: of our OC and our DCS at the end of

940
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:16,879
Speaker 7: the year when we're playing the best teams if we're

941
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,440
Speaker 7: going to be successful. I believe Sean is going to

942
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,040
Speaker 7: be much much better on defense. He's going to be

943
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:25,240
Speaker 7: much much more aggressive, and we'll see what Dorsey does.

944
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:28,480
Speaker 7: You can really argue that on that offensive side of

945
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:31,839
Speaker 7: the ball this year. They're not top names, but they're

946
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:34,480
Speaker 7: talented guys they brought in and there really is no

947
00:46:34,560 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 7: reason to think that if they're used properly, and they're

948
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,600
Speaker 7: used in a lot of different packages, moving the ball

949
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,360
Speaker 7: around the field, attacking different parts of the field consistently,

950
00:46:44,800 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 7: and getting everybody involved in every game, which we didn't

951
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 7: do last year, we could be unstoppable again. So that's

952
00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 7: just what I'm thinking. So thanks guys, Thanks.

953
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:57,080
Speaker 2: Mark. That was a really thought out response, and I

954
00:46:57,120 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 2: think he had some good points on both sides of

955
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 2: the ball. We've got to take a break here quickly,

956
00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 2: So Chris, do you want to share what you thought?

957
00:47:04,280 --> 00:47:05,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a quick point.

958
00:47:05,760 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 4: I think it's very important to remember that Ken Dorsey

959
00:47:09,000 --> 00:47:12,800
Speaker 4: was a first time offensive coordinator last season. Sean McDermott's

960
00:47:12,840 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 4: certainly been a defensive coordinator in the past, but I

961
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:19,320
Speaker 4: think again he will learn Ken Dorsey on what didn't

962
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:21,640
Speaker 4: go well, what did go well, what to scrap, what

963
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,799
Speaker 4: to utilize more of. So went from Brian Dable who

964
00:47:24,800 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 4: had been an offensive coordinator to someone that was really

965
00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 4: in his first time calling plays in the NFL. But

966
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:32,000
Speaker 4: to Mark's point, I think he makes a good one.

967
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:35,320
Speaker 4: You have to be at your best in those late

968
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,360
Speaker 4: January games against the best teams.

969
00:47:37,120 --> 00:47:37,680
Speaker 3: In the NFL.

970
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:41,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I think you can always improve, you can

971
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: always grow, and I think Ken Dorsey can be a

972
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 2: better offensive coordinator this year than he was last year.

973
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,400
Speaker 2: And I think Sean McDermott can do some things with

974
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 2: the defense that makes them a better defense than they

975
00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,000
Speaker 2: were last year as well. I think you should always

976
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 2: be striving for what's next and for being better And yes,

977
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:58,879
Speaker 2: at times for the Bills on offense last year did

978
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,160
Speaker 2: seem too hard. They started the season and it was

979
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:03,799
Speaker 2: like this team is gonna plow through everybody, and then

980
00:48:03,840 --> 00:48:06,400
Speaker 2: it just got too tough. So what was it that

981
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,359
Speaker 2: made it too tough for this offense? I think those

982
00:48:08,360 --> 00:48:10,719
Speaker 2: are the things that Ken Dorsey is figuring out right

983
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 2: now this offseason and hopefully this upcoming season it won't

984
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,440
Speaker 2: be the same for the Bills when when they're in

985
00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,600
Speaker 2: those situations. All right, break time for us. When we

986
00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: come back here, we're gonna have former Buffalo Bills defensive

987
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,439
Speaker 2: end Marcellus Wiley on with us. Will ask him about

988
00:48:25,440 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 2: this roster, the NFL and maybe some training camp stories

989
00:48:29,480 --> 00:48:31,799
Speaker 2: from his playing days. Stick with us here on One

990
00:48:31,840 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 2: Bill's Live. We're presented by Clydahalth on Buffalo Bills Radio.

991
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 5: This is One Bill's Live presented by called Meida Health.

992
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:19,480
Speaker 2: Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Our number two of

993
00:49:19,520 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 2: the show is a go a couple hours till you

994
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 2: guys begin your weekend or maybe you already have Maddi

995
00:49:25,800 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 2: glab alongside Chris Trepasso and thanks for joining us here

996
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:32,160
Speaker 2: for the last couple of days as our guys are

997
00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:35,919
Speaker 2: out taking some much needed time off, and next week

998
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,680
Speaker 2: our offices are actually going to be closed, which is incredible.

999
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: I am so excited for that, so happy for everybody

1000
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 2: to take some time off. It's been a ghost town

1001
00:49:45,280 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 2: around here, but rightfully so, because it's only a few

1002
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 2: weeks till we're back at it and the grind is

1003
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: going to be real. But joining the show now, we've

1004
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 2: got a former Bills defensive en, Marcellus Wiley, on with

1005
00:49:59,880 --> 00:50:02,280
Speaker 2: a He played for the Bills from nineteen ninety seven

1006
00:50:02,320 --> 00:50:05,480
Speaker 2: to two thousand. He played ten seasons in the NFL

1007
00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,680
Speaker 2: for the Bills, the Chargers, the Cowboys, and the Jaguars.

1008
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:12,279
Speaker 2: He's a former ESPN and Fox Sports analyst and is

1009
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,920
Speaker 2: the current host of the More to It podcast. Also

1010
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:19,719
Speaker 2: authored a book, Never Shut Up, The Life, Opinions and

1011
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,520
Speaker 2: Unexpected Adventures of an NFL Outsider. We're gonna cover all

1012
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 2: of that, So, Marcellus, thanks for taking the time to

1013
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:28,360
Speaker 2: be on with us today in the offseason.

1014
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,920
Speaker 6: Oh, I appreciate it. I'm glad to see you guys.

1015
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:33,080
Speaker 2: Man.

1016
00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:35,120
Speaker 8: I haven't been to Orchard Park in a couple of years.

1017
00:50:35,200 --> 00:50:37,399
Speaker 8: Need to get back and see my mafia out there.

1018
00:50:37,600 --> 00:50:39,920
Speaker 2: Heck yeah, well, come on back for training camp, come

1019
00:50:39,960 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: on back for a game. You know they're gonna treat

1020
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:44,960
Speaker 2: you right. We'll treat you right. We always love our

1021
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 2: Bills legends, and we love when they come back. Hey,

1022
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,880
Speaker 2: we've been talking about this Bill's roster this whole show.

1023
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 2: What have you thought of the roster the last couple seasons.

1024
00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,200
Speaker 2: What do you think of Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean

1025
00:50:57,239 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: in the job that they have done with this team?

1026
00:51:01,320 --> 00:51:01,480
Speaker 5: Oh?

1027
00:51:01,520 --> 00:51:03,719
Speaker 8: I love the talent level. Like, the talent level is

1028
00:51:03,760 --> 00:51:07,319
Speaker 8: second to none. They put themselves in position to be

1029
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:10,439
Speaker 8: contenders every single year, and that's what they're actually going

1030
00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 8: out there and achieving contention. Everyone knows we went through

1031
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 8: that gut wrenching heartache of thirteen seconds to go, and

1032
00:51:19,520 --> 00:51:22,240
Speaker 8: I hate to bring up bad memories, but that's also

1033
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:25,320
Speaker 8: a positive to let you know how close this team

1034
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 8: really is. No, that was a couple of years ago,

1035
00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 8: and I think the loss of Brian Dabol kind of

1036
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:36,080
Speaker 8: messed with the sophistication of this team, especially the offense

1037
00:51:36,200 --> 00:51:38,640
Speaker 8: when it comes to how they're going to be able

1038
00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 8: to go Plan be football. We know Plan eight, Josh

1039
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 8: Allen is here to save the day. But when it

1040
00:51:45,280 --> 00:51:49,000
Speaker 8: comes down to high stakes football, especially in the playoffs,

1041
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:51,560
Speaker 8: you got to be consistent and you've got to have

1042
00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:55,279
Speaker 8: confidence in that plan B. So the rushing attack obviously,

1043
00:51:55,560 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 8: and a balance attack where everything doesn't come.

1044
00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:03,239
Speaker 6: Through Allen's efforts. It's what's necessary this year.

1045
00:52:03,560 --> 00:52:05,320
Speaker 8: We know we could go out there with the talent,

1046
00:52:05,400 --> 00:52:08,479
Speaker 8: we know we have the chemistry, we have the great coaching, but.

1047
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 6: You gotta be able to have that dynamic.

1048
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,399
Speaker 8: Of making sure you could do other things to put

1049
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 8: yourself in position to succeed.

1050
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 4: All Right, Marcellus, We're about three weeks away from Bills

1051
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,960
Speaker 4: training camp, and it's a lot shorter than it used

1052
00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,480
Speaker 4: to be back in your playing days. Our normal host,

1053
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:27,600
Speaker 4: Steve Tasker, always begrudges these young guns that only have a,

1054
00:52:27,719 --> 00:52:28,720
Speaker 4: you know, two or three.

1055
00:52:28,600 --> 00:52:30,640
Speaker 2: Weeks of training, two weeks out there.

1056
00:52:30,520 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 4: What exactly do you have any standout stories, funny stories,

1057
00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:39,759
Speaker 4: or just any way that you can illustrate how more

1058
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 4: grueling it was in the late nineties and into the

1059
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:46,360
Speaker 4: two thousands, when it was a longer preseason and a

1060
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 4: longer training camp here with the Bills.

1061
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,439
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean there's so many ways you could take

1062
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 6: this one.

1063
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 8: You could just look at us in our equipment back

1064
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:02,200
Speaker 8: then versus now, like everything is smaller now, everything is lighter, now,

1065
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 8: everything's contoured now.

1066
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:04,960
Speaker 6: Back when we.

1067
00:53:04,960 --> 00:53:09,319
Speaker 8: Look at our shoulder pads, those anymore does look like

1068
00:53:09,560 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 8: f one fifties turning the corner, Like, it's unreal how

1069
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:16,239
Speaker 8: big and blocky we look. And you think in the

1070
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 8: moment and when you really are going against the best

1071
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:23,280
Speaker 8: athletes in the world, until you looked up ten twenty

1072
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 8: years later and realize, oh, the game is just getting faster.

1073
00:53:27,400 --> 00:53:31,760
Speaker 8: They're bigger, they're stronger, and frankly, the game is smarter

1074
00:53:31,920 --> 00:53:34,160
Speaker 8: in terms of how they take care of the players.

1075
00:53:34,200 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 8: So of course I'm jealous, like every other veteran out

1076
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:41,399
Speaker 8: there who's verirth certificate robbed them and didn't allow them

1077
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:43,960
Speaker 8: to be born a lot later because look at Peyton

1078
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,120
Speaker 8: Manning right there, like you would never ever see a

1079
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 8: quarterback looking like that. Now they look slim, they look

1080
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,959
Speaker 8: like mannekins in front of foot locker. It's a whole

1081
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:59,280
Speaker 8: different animal. The physicality was different. Some of the things

1082
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 8: we were allowed to do Oklahoma drill that's banned now

1083
00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 8: outlagged like, we didn't use the word concussion. We use

1084
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 8: the word got my bell rum. We use phrases like that,

1085
00:54:10,960 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 8: coach will look at you and you will self diagnose

1086
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:14,239
Speaker 8: your own concussion.

1087
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,279
Speaker 6: Are you okay? Yeah, I'm all right?

1088
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:17,279
Speaker 2: And that was it.

1089
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 8: There was no independent evaluator and medical guide on the sideline. So,

1090
00:54:22,200 --> 00:54:26,320
Speaker 8: like anything in this world, it's evolved. It's gotten bigger, faster, smarter,

1091
00:54:26,960 --> 00:54:27,960
Speaker 8: and stronger.

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00:54:28,239 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 2: So, Marcellus, if you were in the NFL today, if

1093
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 2: you were blessed with a birth certificate to play in

1094
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 2: the NFL today, if you were just in your rookie

1095
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:39,960
Speaker 2: season right now, what type of player do you think

1096
00:54:40,000 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 2: you could be in the NFL today?

1097
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 6: Oh, let me be real about this one. One. I

1098
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,600
Speaker 6: wouldn't be here as you see me now.

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00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 8: I would drop thirty forty pounds immediately because I was

1100
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:57,160
Speaker 8: like the last era of the big defensive ends and

1101
00:54:57,200 --> 00:54:59,880
Speaker 8: they were saying, oh, you gotta be two eighty or so,

1102
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 8: oh and play the run. I would be ninety eight

1103
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 8: pounds and fast and quick as lightning. I'll be out

1104
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 8: there so little. I would do it that way in

1105
00:55:09,080 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 8: terms of physicality. Also, I would respect that these guys

1106
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,920
Speaker 8: are so talented like, it's not that a Bruce Smith

1107
00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,919
Speaker 8: still wouldn't be a Bruce Smith in this era. It's

1108
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 8: the mid pack that just has a higher talent level,

1109
00:55:24,040 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 8: higher talent seiling than it did in the generation before.

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00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 8: That's just what happens every generation. The mid tier the

1111
00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 8: meat of the NFL. Most guys, they just take another

1112
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:39,319
Speaker 8: step forward. I think I would go out there with

1113
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:43,080
Speaker 8: a different approach. I wouldn't have been in the weight

1114
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 8: room as much. I was a big, old, strong, quick.

1115
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Speaker 6: But not the fastest guy.

1116
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:53,960
Speaker 8: I would have put a lot more emphasis on being smaller, lighter, quicker,

1117
00:55:54,000 --> 00:55:54,560
Speaker 8: and more.

1118
00:55:54,480 --> 00:55:56,879
Speaker 6: Dynamic because that's where the game is right now.

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00:55:57,040 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 8: So I don't know if I would have the same

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00:55:59,120 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 8: level of success, yes, but I certainly went out there

1121
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 8: and died trying.

1122
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Speaker 4: All right, going from one big defensive end to another

1123
00:56:06,840 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 4: one Currently on the Bills, Gregory Russau. Early in your career,

1124
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 4: you improved your sack number in each of your first

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00:56:13,000 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 4: five seasons.

1126
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:15,880
Speaker 3: Gregory Russeau, the Bill's first.

1127
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,040
Speaker 4: Round pick in twenty twenty one, went from four sacks

1128
00:56:18,040 --> 00:56:21,919
Speaker 4: to eight sacks last season. What did you do coming

1129
00:56:21,960 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 4: out of Columbia being a second round pick specifically, was

1130
00:56:25,680 --> 00:56:28,239
Speaker 4: it adding more strength, was it your pass rush moves?

1131
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:31,480
Speaker 4: Was it more film of the offensive tackles that helped

1132
00:56:31,480 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 4: you just continue to have that upward angle to your

1133
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 4: career that you think could be something that Gregory Rousseau

1134
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 4: can take into year three in Buffalo.

1135
00:56:42,760 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think it starts with just between the ears

1136
00:56:45,680 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 8: and confidence.

1137
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,360
Speaker 6: The repetitions have seen it at this level.

1138
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:52,600
Speaker 8: Once you start to see it at this level and

1139
00:56:52,600 --> 00:56:56,200
Speaker 8: get familiar and get comfortable with it, you can address

1140
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 8: it differently and you start to really show who you are,

1141
00:57:00,080 --> 00:57:04,960
Speaker 8: how great you are. Because there's this trepidation reservation when

1142
00:57:05,000 --> 00:57:07,239
Speaker 8: you first get out there. You know it's just your

1143
00:57:07,280 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 8: first time in a new experience. As great as you

1144
00:57:10,000 --> 00:57:13,240
Speaker 8: were in college, this is a whole different animal. People

1145
00:57:13,280 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 8: have man strength out there, right, They got families to feed,

1146
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:20,760
Speaker 8: so they are going out there to another degree of intensity.

1147
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:23,080
Speaker 8: So you got to get used to that. Another thing

1148
00:57:23,200 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 8: is you got to like step up in terms of

1149
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:29,400
Speaker 8: the violence with your hands. I came out of Columbia

1150
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:32,880
Speaker 8: saw was a little green not only in technique but

1151
00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 8: also the violence necessary to be successful. And then you

1152
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:41,040
Speaker 8: go and you practice with a Bruce Smith, You practice

1153
00:57:41,040 --> 00:57:44,040
Speaker 8: with a Phil Hanson and you start to realize, oh,

1154
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,640
Speaker 8: I need to step this up. But that doesn't happen

1155
00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 8: overnight because you're used to what you're used to. You

1156
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,520
Speaker 8: have your own work habits that now need to be improved.

1157
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:55,520
Speaker 6: And beyond that, with.

1158
00:57:55,560 --> 00:57:59,720
Speaker 8: The confidence matching the new technique and the new new

1159
00:57:59,720 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 8: respect you have for your opponents, you go out there

1160
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:07,720
Speaker 8: and I always tell people they forget this that over time,

1161
00:58:08,680 --> 00:58:13,480
Speaker 8: literally the NFL turns into either a guys you've already

1162
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 8: played against in college and had success against, or be

1163
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:20,600
Speaker 8: guys you didn't play against who are younger than you

1164
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,160
Speaker 8: that you can now take advantage of because you just

1165
00:58:23,240 --> 00:58:26,400
Speaker 8: graduated from where there are. So that's it is like,

1166
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,600
Speaker 8: just stayed to course, persevere, work on your technique, and

1167
00:58:30,680 --> 00:58:31,840
Speaker 8: believe in what you're doing.

1168
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Speaker 2: I love that point. Former Bills defensive end Marcellus Wiley

1169
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 2: is on with us, and let's stay on the defensive

1170
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:42,600
Speaker 2: line because this team could have a mean defensive line

1171
00:58:42,600 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 2: this season. I mean, they've got Von Miller who's coming

1172
00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:47,760
Speaker 2: back from that knee injury. You've got Greg Russo going

1173
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:51,480
Speaker 2: into year three. He had eight sacks last season. They

1174
00:58:51,520 --> 00:58:55,680
Speaker 2: signed Leonard Floyd this offseason. I could not believe that happens.

1175
00:58:55,920 --> 00:58:59,560
Speaker 2: We signed Leonard Floyd. Yes, and then you've got Ed

1176
00:58:59,640 --> 00:59:02,360
Speaker 2: Olive who's going into his fifth season as he just

1177
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:06,240
Speaker 2: signed a new contract. Some insurance in the middle there

1178
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:08,320
Speaker 2: of your defensive line, what do you think this group

1179
00:59:08,360 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: could be capable of this season?

1180
00:59:12,200 --> 00:59:14,880
Speaker 8: Oh? Special group, because there are special names A part

1181
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:17,000
Speaker 8: of that group. I was a part of the number

1182
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:20,160
Speaker 8: one defense when I played in Buffalo, Wade Phillips as

1183
00:59:20,200 --> 00:59:23,240
Speaker 8: our decordinator, Wade Phillips as our head coach, and Ted

1184
00:59:23,320 --> 00:59:26,680
Speaker 8: Cottrell as our defensive coordinator. And as much as you

1185
00:59:26,680 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 8: can look at the coaching and as much as you

1186
00:59:29,120 --> 00:59:31,680
Speaker 8: could sit there and say it's about the jockey, it's

1187
00:59:31,680 --> 00:59:32,640
Speaker 8: about the horses.

1188
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:34,760
Speaker 6: And you got the horses. You got the.

1189
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Speaker 8: Guys who can go out there and get it win

1190
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:41,320
Speaker 8: those one on one matchups. Also trusting each other, and

1191
00:59:41,360 --> 00:59:45,440
Speaker 8: there's an unspoken language when you play on the defensive line,

1192
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:48,960
Speaker 8: and that's coming from the chemistry you're able to build

1193
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,680
Speaker 8: where you can look at someone and he knows that

1194
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 8: you're going to pin the guard so he can loop around.

1195
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 8: He knows that you're gonna go out there and pick

1196
00:59:56,240 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 8: the tackle so he can come inside those type of

1197
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,640
Speaker 8: things is where you have special plays on top of

1198
01:00:02,800 --> 01:00:05,800
Speaker 8: just special talent. So I look forward to this team

1199
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Speaker 8: just jelling together, and we all know it starts up front.

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Speaker 8: It sounds cliche, but it's the truth. If you're able

1201
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 8: to dictate terms at the line of scrimmage, not only

1202
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,480
Speaker 8: are you able to now control where the ball goes,

1203
01:00:20,800 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 8: but more importantly, intimidate your opponent. No one's gonna quit,

1204
01:00:25,120 --> 01:00:27,960
Speaker 8: no one's gonna tap out, but you're gonna have your way.

1205
01:00:28,200 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 8: And when I saw Bruce Smith going around one corner,

1206
01:00:30,680 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 8: Ted Washington up the middle, Phil Hanson around the other

1207
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:37,640
Speaker 8: corner myself at times, man, you were able to go

1208
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:40,920
Speaker 8: out there and control tempo and take advantage of opponents.

1209
01:00:41,160 --> 01:00:41,400
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1210
01:00:41,440 --> 01:00:44,600
Speaker 4: So from those early years in Buffalo, you mentioned you

1211
01:00:44,720 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 4: learned from Bruce Smith and Phil Hanson that really you

1212
01:00:47,240 --> 01:00:49,640
Speaker 4: had to be more violent than you originally thought with

1213
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:50,360
Speaker 4: your hands.

1214
01:00:50,840 --> 01:00:52,439
Speaker 3: What else did you learn from them?

1215
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Speaker 4: And this is kind of tying back to Gregory Rousseau,

1216
01:00:54,840 --> 01:00:57,880
Speaker 4: the aj Epinas, Boogie Basham, some of those younger pieces

1217
01:00:57,920 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 4: that have Von Miller that they can bounce ideas off of.

1218
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:03,600
Speaker 4: Did you learn a lot in terms of what past

1219
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,600
Speaker 4: rush moves work, when to use them, when not to

1220
01:01:07,240 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 4: From a legendary player like Bruce Smith and a very

1221
01:01:10,280 --> 01:01:12,160
Speaker 4: underrated player in Phil Hanson.

1222
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:16,760
Speaker 8: Oh, absolutely, you get the ball from their genius. Phil

1223
01:01:16,760 --> 01:01:20,880
Speaker 8: Hansen was a technician. Bruce Smith was a special player

1224
01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 8: and a special list like. He was surgical out there.

1225
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:28,520
Speaker 8: I've never seen somebody get so many sacks. And they

1226
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,920
Speaker 8: tried to block him, but he remain untouched. He was

1227
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 8: so surgical with his hands wipe. He was so good

1228
01:01:36,320 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 8: and knowing the steps, the approach angles, knowing when to

1229
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 8: set you up, how to set you up, and when

1230
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:47,160
Speaker 8: to at least the big gun of weapons that he had,

1231
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,960
Speaker 8: like Bruce was this next level. He would take off,

1232
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,360
Speaker 8: go straight up the field. Then he would make you

1233
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:55,440
Speaker 8: kick out harder because he's so quick and fast, and

1234
01:01:55,480 --> 01:01:57,840
Speaker 8: then he hit you with the spin move. Oh, now

1235
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:00,360
Speaker 8: you're anticipating the spin move. Then he'll come back with

1236
01:02:00,440 --> 01:02:04,760
Speaker 8: a counter. It was just like watching a genius at work.

1237
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:08,440
Speaker 8: But the key to it all is not what's surrounding you.

1238
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 8: It's what you can take from it and add to

1239
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:15,480
Speaker 8: what you do. And I think that's the maturation process.

1240
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,840
Speaker 8: It takes time to bake a Bruce Smith's spin move

1241
01:02:19,200 --> 01:02:24,200
Speaker 8: into your game plan and frankly into your physical skill set.

1242
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:26,360
Speaker 8: Because I used to watch Bruce spin all the time

1243
01:02:26,400 --> 01:02:28,600
Speaker 8: and I'll sit there, I'll squint. I said, all right,

1244
01:02:28,600 --> 01:02:31,000
Speaker 8: my turn, and it didn't look the same. But you

1245
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:33,760
Speaker 8: gotta get those reps in there, and you start to

1246
01:02:33,800 --> 01:02:36,920
Speaker 8: realize like I used to spin, and I wouldn't spend

1247
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:38,360
Speaker 8: with my elbow wide.

1248
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 6: And then Bruce finally said, hey man, you're too skinny.

1249
01:02:42,320 --> 01:02:44,440
Speaker 8: On your spin, like you gotta hook them and you

1250
01:02:44,440 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 8: gotta get around them. Little things like that. I remember

1251
01:02:47,880 --> 01:02:50,560
Speaker 8: I couldn't get off the ball as fast as Bruce Smith,

1252
01:02:50,840 --> 01:02:52,600
Speaker 8: and he was an old man. I was like, dude,

1253
01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:55,840
Speaker 8: I'm young, quick and fast, and Bruce's beating me.

1254
01:02:55,800 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 6: Off the ball.

1255
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:59,400
Speaker 8: And finally I asked him, Bruce, why you get off

1256
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,080
Speaker 8: the ball fast and everybody? He said, what are you

1257
01:03:01,120 --> 01:03:03,959
Speaker 8: looking at? I said the ball? He said, what part

1258
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 8: of the ball? And my head said, caboom, what do

1259
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:08,040
Speaker 8: it mean?

1260
01:03:08,120 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 6: What part of the ball?

1261
01:03:09,560 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 8: He said, I look at the bottom tip and the pinky,

1262
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:16,040
Speaker 8: And from that moment on, I start looking at that

1263
01:03:16,200 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 8: same part of the ball, and I started to get

1264
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:20,560
Speaker 8: off the ball as fast as Bruce Smith.

1265
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 2: I love that you got to play with some grace.

1266
01:03:23,520 --> 01:03:26,120
Speaker 2: Are there any memories that stick out in your mind

1267
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:31,720
Speaker 2: as games, as conversations, seasons that you'll never forget.

1268
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:37,240
Speaker 8: I will never forget the first phone call would you

1269
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:38,840
Speaker 8: like to be a Buffalo Bill?

1270
01:03:39,040 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 6: And it was Mark Leavy. I'm like that, bark Leavy,

1271
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 6: and I.

1272
01:03:43,640 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 8: Won't forget walking into the stadium, just seeing it so

1273
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:52,080
Speaker 8: many times on television. I won't forget that I walked

1274
01:03:52,080 --> 01:03:57,120
Speaker 8: into a locker room and saw the locker placards of Thomas,

1275
01:03:57,800 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 8: Reid and Smith in one sight line.

1276
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:03,000
Speaker 6: I couldn't believe that.

1277
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,880
Speaker 8: Shaking hands with Jim Kelly, who just retired, and was like,

1278
01:04:07,160 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 8: that's Jim Kelly playing in the Music City Miracle and

1279
01:04:12,120 --> 01:04:17,120
Speaker 8: never crying that hard over a loss before or after

1280
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:17,960
Speaker 8: that moment.

1281
01:04:18,120 --> 01:04:20,520
Speaker 6: That was just the most gut wrenching loss ever.

1282
01:04:21,400 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 8: I just remember the fans being so crazy, so into

1283
01:04:25,040 --> 01:04:28,560
Speaker 8: it that they would tailgate on a Wednesday for a

1284
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:31,000
Speaker 8: Sunday game. I just couldn't believe. I was like, why

1285
01:04:31,000 --> 01:04:32,920
Speaker 8: are there RV's in the parking lot. They're like, they're

1286
01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,600
Speaker 8: here for the game. I said, dude, have they checked

1287
01:04:35,640 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 8: the calendar? It's Wednesday and they just all be in.

1288
01:04:39,960 --> 01:04:43,280
Speaker 8: So I'm so glad I got drafted. There's it was

1289
01:04:43,400 --> 01:04:49,360
Speaker 8: like a big time college town because everything was Buffalo bills.

1290
01:04:49,720 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 4: What can you tell us about your podcast? Just for

1291
01:04:52,240 --> 01:04:54,840
Speaker 4: us and for your listeners, Like, what do you get

1292
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:56,080
Speaker 4: listening to your podcast?

1293
01:04:56,080 --> 01:04:56,560
Speaker 3: More to it?

1294
01:04:58,160 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, you get the inner section of life in sports.

1295
01:05:03,520 --> 01:05:06,040
Speaker 8: I just learned so much from the game of football

1296
01:05:06,320 --> 01:05:08,760
Speaker 8: and from being an athlete, and I think a lot

1297
01:05:08,760 --> 01:05:12,880
Speaker 8: of things gets lost in translation. So with every story,

1298
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 8: I think there's a greater life lesson. Watching the game

1299
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Speaker 8: of football. You may think it's just a bunch of

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01:05:18,920 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 8: guys running around three hundred pounds knocking each other out,

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01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:23,360
Speaker 8: But there's a chess.

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01:05:23,000 --> 01:05:24,080
Speaker 6: Match at play.

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01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,640
Speaker 8: There's a battle over acreage, right, Like I'm trying to

1304
01:05:28,680 --> 01:05:33,040
Speaker 8: move another man against his will by using my skill.

1305
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:38,360
Speaker 8: That's hard to do, but who communicates that. We see

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01:05:38,360 --> 01:05:42,040
Speaker 8: the results, but do we know the process? So you

1307
01:05:42,160 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 8: listening more to it, you realize, Wow, there's so much

1308
01:05:45,480 --> 01:05:48,320
Speaker 8: more to everything that I think is so simple. So

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01:05:48,440 --> 01:05:51,160
Speaker 8: I like to take the fans there because they weren't

1310
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:53,440
Speaker 8: privy to having those experiences.

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Speaker 6: So we're sharing those experiences.

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Speaker 2: Very interesting and we know that you have a book

1313
01:05:57,520 --> 01:05:59,360
Speaker 2: out as well, has been out for some time. Never

1314
01:05:59,400 --> 01:06:02,600
Speaker 2: shut up the life, opinions and unexpected adventures of an

1315
01:06:02,720 --> 01:06:05,720
Speaker 2: NFL outlier. We want to plug that as well, So

1316
01:06:05,800 --> 01:06:06,880
Speaker 2: tell us about the book.

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Speaker 8: Yes, the book is a journey from my humble beginnings

1318
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:18,240
Speaker 8: in Compton, California to being that little curious kid in

1319
01:06:18,360 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 8: class who was just a bona fide nerd from Hello.

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01:06:22,400 --> 01:06:24,880
Speaker 6: And I embraced it. I loved it. I was so

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01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 6: intellectually curious from Hello.

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Speaker 8: And I was also the fastest kid in the neighborhood,

1323
01:06:31,600 --> 01:06:34,760
Speaker 8: fastest kid at school, who found his way onto a

1324
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Speaker 8: football field and found his passion, found his love, but never.

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01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 6: Gave up on one to serve the other.

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01:06:41,760 --> 01:06:45,840
Speaker 8: So I go to Columbia University, still able to play football,

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01:06:46,440 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 8: but also get a great education as well. And there

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Speaker 8: was a time where people said I wouldn't be able

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01:06:52,560 --> 01:06:54,280
Speaker 8: to make it to the NFL. There was a time

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01:06:54,320 --> 01:06:57,360
Speaker 8: that people said I wouldn't make it out of Compton, etc.

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01:06:57,960 --> 01:07:00,120
Speaker 8: And that book just takes you through that journey and

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01:07:00,160 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 8: through all the life lessons that I learned of believing

1333
01:07:03,600 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 8: in yourself and persevering and making your dreams the reality

1334
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:10,480
Speaker 8: you don't have to rob one to pay the others.

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01:07:10,520 --> 01:07:14,000
Speaker 8: So that's what never shut up really means. It's about

1336
01:07:14,080 --> 01:07:18,120
Speaker 8: you telling the world exactly who you are and exactly

1337
01:07:18,160 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 8: what you want and never stopping in that conversation. Never

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01:07:22,040 --> 01:07:22,520
Speaker 8: shut up.

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Speaker 2: We love that. Thank you so much for joining us today, Marcellus.

1340
01:07:26,720 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 2: We appreciate the time. We appreciate hearing some of your

1341
01:07:30,160 --> 01:07:33,480
Speaker 2: stories and hearing your take on this Bill's defensive line

1342
01:07:33,560 --> 01:07:37,160
Speaker 2: and roster this season. We hope you have a great

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01:07:37,280 --> 01:07:38,360
Speaker 2: rest of your summer.

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Speaker 8: Oh have a great one. Appreciate you, guys. And this

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01:07:42,960 --> 01:07:43,880
Speaker 8: is our year, Bertie.

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Speaker 2: I love it up.

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01:07:45,400 --> 01:07:48,240
Speaker 8: Oh man, I can't wait to see it. Go get it, guys.

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01:07:48,280 --> 01:07:48,960
Speaker 8: Appreciate you.

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Speaker 2: Thanks Marcellus. That was Marcellus Wiley, of former Bills defensive

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01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:55,800
Speaker 2: end sports analyst. He was a second round pick by

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01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,320
Speaker 2: the Bills out of the nineteen ninety seven draft. Played

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01:08:00,320 --> 01:08:03,880
Speaker 2: with the Bills from nineteen ninety seven to two thousand,

1353
01:08:03,960 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: then played with the Chargers, the Cowboys, and the Jaguars.

1354
01:08:07,760 --> 01:08:11,040
Speaker 2: Always good to hear from some Bills legends, and oh yeah,

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01:08:11,080 --> 01:08:12,400
Speaker 2: I love what he had to say about some of

1356
01:08:12,440 --> 01:08:15,000
Speaker 2: the things that he learned from Bruce Smith and some

1357
01:08:15,080 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 2: of the other guys a part of his years because

1358
01:08:18,400 --> 01:08:20,800
Speaker 2: he had some great guys playing next to him. And

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01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,439
Speaker 2: I'm sure Greg Russo is thinking that now, knowing that

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01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 2: he's got von Miller and Leonard Floyd lining up next

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01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:26,519
Speaker 2: to him.

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01:08:26,560 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 3: Yeah.

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01:08:26,760 --> 01:08:29,400
Speaker 4: Absolutely, and and he's been someone And it's kind of

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01:08:29,720 --> 01:08:33,360
Speaker 4: the case. It seems like with most Bill's alumni that

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01:08:34,400 --> 01:08:36,680
Speaker 4: even back then, especially the Bills were kind of on

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01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:40,559
Speaker 4: the downslide of those early nineties dominant teams, that they

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01:08:40,600 --> 01:08:42,880
Speaker 4: have no connection to Buffalo. They think, I'm going up

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01:08:42,920 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 4: to this small market, it's going to snow a lot.

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Speaker 3: And then after their careers.

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Speaker 4: I think Jim Kelly would certainly fit into this criteria

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01:08:49,520 --> 01:08:52,639
Speaker 4: as well. Therman Thomas being from the Texas area, they

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01:08:52,680 --> 01:08:55,080
Speaker 4: love it, They love Buffalo. They always love to come

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01:08:55,120 --> 01:08:57,519
Speaker 4: back to either live here or they have nothing but

1374
01:08:57,760 --> 01:09:01,400
Speaker 4: positive things to say about this area. And for the

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01:09:01,439 --> 01:09:04,639
Speaker 4: last twenty years, Marcellus Riley's been on our TVs and

1376
01:09:05,280 --> 01:09:08,479
Speaker 4: never shy about propping up Western New York. So I

1377
01:09:08,479 --> 01:09:11,280
Speaker 4: think that's really important to get players like him, maybe

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01:09:11,320 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 4: a little bit underappreciated because he didn't have the long

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01:09:14,120 --> 01:09:17,080
Speaker 4: career in Buffalo, but again became one of the best

1380
01:09:17,080 --> 01:09:20,040
Speaker 4: pass rushers in the NFL from what he learned, like

1381
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,920
Speaker 4: he told us from Bruce Smith, Phil Hanson and others

1382
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:23,719
Speaker 4: in the late nineties.

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01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:26,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had two years where he had double digit sacks.

1384
01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:28,280
Speaker 2: In two thousand he had ten and a half with

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01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:30,519
Speaker 2: the Bills and in two thousand and one he had

1386
01:09:30,600 --> 01:09:33,479
Speaker 2: thirteen with the Chargers. He was a second team All

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01:09:33,479 --> 01:09:36,639
Speaker 2: Pro that year and a Pro Bowler. So it's always

1388
01:09:36,640 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 2: good to have guys like that on our side, singing

1389
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,920
Speaker 2: our praises and saying this is the year for the Bills.

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01:09:41,920 --> 01:09:44,400
Speaker 2: We hope so as well. We're going to take a break,

1391
01:09:44,400 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 2: but when we come back, we're going to dip into

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01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:49,120
Speaker 2: our fan mail bag. If you guys have any questions,

1393
01:09:49,280 --> 01:09:51,720
Speaker 2: you can call us eight h three five fifty or

1394
01:09:51,760 --> 01:09:54,760
Speaker 2: tweet at us. We're answering your questions. Next on one

1395
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Speaker 2: Bills Live presented by Clyde Health on Buffalo Bills Radio,

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01:10:13,400 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 2: We're back here on one Bills Live and I have

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01:10:17,760 --> 01:10:20,080
Speaker 2: a Twitter video pulled up that I'm watching and it's

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01:10:20,080 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 2: from tight End You and I guess Travis Kelcey made

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01:10:24,360 --> 01:10:27,920
Speaker 2: friendship bracelets for some of the players and he gave

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01:10:27,960 --> 01:10:30,680
Speaker 2: a bunch to Dalton Kincaid and so it's like a

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01:10:30,720 --> 01:10:33,519
Speaker 2: TikTok and the video is Dalt Kinkaid going, I'm Dalon

1402
01:10:33,560 --> 01:10:35,320
Speaker 2: Kinkaid and I'm trying to make some friends. So I'm

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01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:38,479
Speaker 2: going to pass out friendship bracelets at tight End University.

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01:10:38,560 --> 01:10:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah the rookie to do Yeah, for the rookie to

1405
01:10:40,400 --> 01:10:43,000
Speaker 2: do that, I guess he gave one to Josh Allen

1406
01:10:43,040 --> 01:10:45,600
Speaker 2: didn't finish the video. But I love seeing some of

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01:10:45,600 --> 01:10:49,000
Speaker 2: those clips and posts and photos that come out of

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01:10:49,040 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 2: tight End University. To me, it makes it makes being

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01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:55,560
Speaker 2: a tight end seem so cool, Like I want to

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01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,600
Speaker 2: be a tight end. That seems so awesome, Like that

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01:10:57,640 --> 01:11:00,360
Speaker 2: seems so fun. I love that their their position group

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01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,320
Speaker 2: that you know, it was like people count us out.

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01:11:03,920 --> 01:11:06,560
Speaker 2: They're used very differently now in today's NFL, so I

1414
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: don't know if you can say that anymore, but I

1415
01:11:08,439 --> 01:11:10,400
Speaker 2: love how they kind of came together to form this

1416
01:11:10,479 --> 01:11:12,120
Speaker 2: bond of like, hey, we're tight ends, We're going to

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01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:12,880
Speaker 2: help each other out.

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01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:14,760
Speaker 4: What I've wondered is, so there's tight End to you,

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01:11:14,920 --> 01:11:17,599
Speaker 4: there's von Miller's pass Rush Summit. I'm surprised and I'm

1420
01:11:17,640 --> 01:11:20,040
Speaker 4: hoping that we see in the future like a wide

1421
01:11:20,040 --> 01:11:23,080
Speaker 4: receiver summit. Maybe some quarterbacks get together.

1422
01:11:23,200 --> 01:11:24,880
Speaker 3: That would be awesome, and they're kind.

1423
01:11:24,800 --> 01:11:28,040
Speaker 4: Of sharing trade secrets to just try to get better.

1424
01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:32,080
Speaker 4: It's there's no competition, there's no worry. Hey, are you

1425
01:11:32,120 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 4: giving Travis Kelce a tip? Is he giving George Kittle

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01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,799
Speaker 4: a tip? It's all about the position groups. I'm surprised

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01:11:37,800 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 4: we haven't seen those others, and I hope we get

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01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:40,599
Speaker 4: those in the coming summers.

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01:11:40,640 --> 01:11:43,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree, speaking of tight ends, Kevin from Hamburg

1430
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:47,360
Speaker 2: has been hanging on the line for quite a while. Kevin,

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01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: we're happy to have you on with us today. What's

1432
01:11:50,640 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: your question that you've got for us? Is it about

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01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:54,559
Speaker 2: Dawson Knox?

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01:11:54,600 --> 01:11:54,960
Speaker 3: Maybe?

1435
01:11:57,680 --> 01:11:58,760
Speaker 2: Kevin? Are you on with us?

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01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:00,360
Speaker 8: Hello?

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01:12:00,600 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 2: What's up, Kevin? How are you?

1438
01:12:02,240 --> 01:12:02,639
Speaker 1: I'm good?

1439
01:12:02,720 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 2: Are you doing good? What do you have for us today?

1440
01:12:05,400 --> 01:12:07,599
Speaker 1: I want to ask I don't know about a Twitter question,

1441
01:12:07,680 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 1: but you asked what Bills player needs this?

1442
01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:10,639
Speaker 8: Yeah?

1443
01:12:10,760 --> 01:12:14,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, earlier I think it has to be him because

1444
01:12:14,120 --> 01:12:16,200
Speaker 1: I know last year death in the family, and death

1445
01:12:16,280 --> 01:12:19,799
Speaker 1: messes you up in every way possible, especially motionally and mentally.

1446
01:12:20,240 --> 01:12:23,560
Speaker 1: But if there's no injury and there's no injury or

1447
01:12:23,600 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 1: anything like that, and another death, I think he has

1448
01:12:26,360 --> 01:12:27,920
Speaker 1: to step it up. I know it messed him up

1449
01:12:27,960 --> 01:12:29,960
Speaker 1: in the beginning of the season. He never come back

1450
01:12:29,960 --> 01:12:32,559
Speaker 1: from that right away, So I think he has to.

1451
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,240
Speaker 1: If there's nothing like that or injury, he has to

1452
01:12:35,280 --> 01:12:40,120
Speaker 1: be the one that does it. I mean totally. You

1453
01:12:40,160 --> 01:12:40,800
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying.

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01:12:41,600 --> 01:12:45,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. Well thanks for the call, Kevin, we appreciate it.

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01:12:45,439 --> 01:12:49,000
Speaker 2: And Chris, what do you think about Dawson Knox stepping

1456
01:12:49,120 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 2: up and last season and even the season before. I

1457
01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:54,360
Speaker 2: guess I look at twenty twenty one, before I look

1458
01:12:54,400 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 2: at twenty twenty two, and in twenty twenty one, he

1459
01:12:57,479 --> 01:13:00,280
Speaker 2: was that red zone guy that like you could not

1460
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,360
Speaker 2: guard him in the red zone. He put up big numbers.

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01:13:03,360 --> 01:13:06,200
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty one, he had nine touchdowns, he had

1462
01:13:06,240 --> 01:13:08,599
Speaker 2: five hundred and eighty seven receiving yards, and then this

1463
01:13:08,760 --> 01:13:12,320
Speaker 2: last season he has five hundred and seventeen receiving yards

1464
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:15,960
Speaker 2: and six receiving touchdowns. I don't know if you could

1465
01:13:16,000 --> 01:13:18,320
Speaker 2: match that. I think people went into this year thinking

1466
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:21,320
Speaker 2: like this dude had such a great season, especially in

1467
01:13:21,320 --> 01:13:24,320
Speaker 2: the red zone, especially with this touchdown numbers like, how

1468
01:13:24,360 --> 01:13:26,960
Speaker 2: can you do better than nine touchdowns? Is that like

1469
01:13:27,000 --> 01:13:29,400
Speaker 2: a fair assessment of someone like Dawson Knox. I don't

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01:13:29,400 --> 01:13:31,280
Speaker 2: want to. I don't want to say that Dawson Knox

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01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:34,760
Speaker 2: can't have another nine touchdown season because I definitely think

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Speaker 2: he's capable of that. Nine to ten is just a

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01:13:37,840 --> 01:13:40,759
Speaker 2: huge number to see out of any weapon on offense.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a huge number.

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01:13:42,560 --> 01:13:45,719
Speaker 4: And then you're factoring in Stefon Diggs, You're factoring in

1476
01:13:45,840 --> 01:13:48,800
Speaker 4: all of these kind of unknowns at the wide receiver spot.

1477
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,000
Speaker 4: That they were signed by the Bills, so they clearly

1478
01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,840
Speaker 4: have some type of plan for them. Josh Allen is

1479
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:56,400
Speaker 4: gonna throw it though, six hundred, six hundred and fifty

1480
01:13:56,439 --> 01:13:58,559
Speaker 4: times most likely if he stays healthy. He was right

1481
01:13:58,600 --> 01:14:01,599
Speaker 4: on that pace last year, thirty five to thirty seven

1482
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:03,439
Speaker 4: passes a game. That's what that equates out to.

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01:14:03,920 --> 01:14:05,840
Speaker 3: So there are a lot of footballs to go around.

1484
01:14:05,880 --> 01:14:07,880
Speaker 4: The only reason, though, that I would disagree with Kevin

1485
01:14:07,880 --> 01:14:11,719
Speaker 4: a little is that had the Bills not drafted Dalton Kincaid,

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01:14:11,760 --> 01:14:15,679
Speaker 4: I would say, yes that Dawson Knox is unequivocally a huge,

1487
01:14:15,800 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 4: huge X factor that getting that production down the seam

1488
01:14:19,360 --> 01:14:22,360
Speaker 4: and in the red zone. That's not Stefan Diggs would

1489
01:14:22,360 --> 01:14:25,800
Speaker 4: be huge. But with Dalton Kincaid, and certainly there's a

1490
01:14:25,840 --> 01:14:28,040
Speaker 4: long history of rookie tight ends that aren't gonna come

1491
01:14:28,040 --> 01:14:30,360
Speaker 4: in and have eight hundred yards receiving and score eight

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01:14:30,439 --> 01:14:31,320
Speaker 4: or nine touchdowns.

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01:14:31,479 --> 01:14:34,240
Speaker 3: But as long as cumulatively.

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01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:35,840
Speaker 4: Dawson, Knox, even Quintin Morris who made a couple of

1495
01:14:35,880 --> 01:14:37,880
Speaker 4: plays for the Bills last season, as they're tied end

1496
01:14:37,920 --> 01:14:41,240
Speaker 4: number three and Dalton Kincaid, if they get you know,

1497
01:14:41,400 --> 01:14:44,519
Speaker 4: over one thousand yards from the tight end spot as

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01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:46,720
Speaker 4: a whole or right around there, I think that is

1499
01:14:46,880 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 4: plenty good enough, especially when you factor in everything else

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01:14:50,040 --> 01:14:51,800
Speaker 4: and all the other pieces on this Bills offense.

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01:14:51,840 --> 01:14:56,600
Speaker 2: So Dawson had five seventeen last year, you're saying one thousand,

1502
01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:59,519
Speaker 2: I mean, if you can get that out of Dawson again,

1503
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,000
Speaker 2: and if you you can get something similar out of

1504
01:15:02,080 --> 01:15:04,719
Speaker 2: Dalton Kincaid in his rookie season, I think that would

1505
01:15:04,760 --> 01:15:05,920
Speaker 2: be you get four hundred.

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01:15:05,640 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 4: From Kinkaid, four hundred from Kincaid, and then a few

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01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,679
Speaker 4: catches here there, maybe one or two touchdowns from Quinton Morris,

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01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 4: one hundred to two hundred yards, there's one thousand yards

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01:15:14,760 --> 01:15:17,280
Speaker 4: from the tight end spot. You're probably gonna get over

1510
01:15:17,320 --> 01:15:19,120
Speaker 4: a thousand yards from Diggs if he's healthy.

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01:15:20,200 --> 01:15:21,559
Speaker 3: That's already two thousand yards.

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01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:23,320
Speaker 4: And then you have all the running backs and Gabe

1513
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:27,800
Speaker 4: Davis and Sherfield and Khalil Shakir. You're then getting up

1514
01:15:28,560 --> 01:15:31,240
Speaker 4: toward probably four thousand, forty five hundred or even five

1515
01:15:31,240 --> 01:15:33,600
Speaker 4: thousand yards for Josh Allen. So just the tight end

1516
01:15:33,600 --> 01:15:38,040
Speaker 4: position as a whole, I think kind of the acquisition

1517
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 4: of Dalton Kinkaid alleviate some of the pressure, in my opinion,

1518
01:15:41,320 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 4: from Dawson Knos.

1519
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 2: And just to put that into perspective, the four hundred

1520
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,880
Speaker 2: yards that Dalon Kincaid could possibly get, Dawson Knox in

1521
01:15:47,880 --> 01:15:50,840
Speaker 2: his first year had three hundred and eighty eight receiving yards.

1522
01:15:50,560 --> 01:15:51,639
Speaker 3: And he was a lot more row.

1523
01:15:51,720 --> 01:15:54,439
Speaker 2: I think that's out of the realm of possibilities for

1524
01:15:54,479 --> 01:15:55,000
Speaker 2: that to happen.

1525
01:15:55,080 --> 01:15:56,080
Speaker 3: He was a lot more raw.

1526
01:15:56,080 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 4: If we remember back that he was on that Ole

1527
01:15:58,200 --> 01:16:01,320
Speaker 4: Miss team with aj Brown and Dkost, so they weren't

1528
01:16:01,320 --> 01:16:05,879
Speaker 4: really throwing him the football too frequently. So Dalon Kincaid

1529
01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:09,120
Speaker 4: an older prospect, he's going to be twenty four this

1530
01:16:09,240 --> 01:16:12,280
Speaker 4: fall as a rookie, the best route running tight end

1531
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 4: in the class in terms of explosiveness and certainly the

1532
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,639
Speaker 4: best hands at the tight end spot. So with Dawson Knox,

1533
01:16:18,920 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 4: when they traded up to get him in the third round,

1534
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 4: there was a thought like, hey, this is more of

1535
01:16:22,760 --> 01:16:26,440
Speaker 4: a long term selection that he's a developmental type. With Kincaid,

1536
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:30,120
Speaker 4: it's more about he's alluring because he has a high floor.

1537
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 4: So that's why I think, like you mentioned, three hundred

1538
01:16:32,280 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 4: and eighty eight years, for Dawson Knox as a rookie,

1539
01:16:34,320 --> 01:16:36,360
Speaker 4: that is probably the floor I think for what they

1540
01:16:36,400 --> 01:16:39,080
Speaker 4: should expect and hope for with Dalton Kincaid.

1541
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:41,559
Speaker 2: That's a good point. All right, Let's get into our

1542
01:16:41,720 --> 01:16:45,559
Speaker 2: obl Friday fan mail bag. Our tweetsheet is brought to

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01:16:45,560 --> 01:16:49,160
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1544
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:52,360
Speaker 2: of the Buffalo Bills, and we'll go with our first

1545
01:16:52,439 --> 01:16:56,200
Speaker 2: question is from Ed. He says, in your estimation, how

1546
01:16:56,200 --> 01:16:58,559
Speaker 2: does the running back room shake out? Who makes the

1547
01:16:58,600 --> 01:17:01,479
Speaker 2: club and how are they handled? You know what, Ed,

1548
01:17:01,600 --> 01:17:03,880
Speaker 2: I have a really hard time figuring this out because

1549
01:17:03,960 --> 01:17:06,360
Speaker 2: I honestly do not know what's going to happen. I

1550
01:17:06,400 --> 01:17:10,360
Speaker 2: could easily see them keeping four on the fifty three

1551
01:17:10,360 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 2: man roster, but then you have to take away from

1552
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:16,479
Speaker 2: another position group, and I don't know if that's going

1553
01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:19,640
Speaker 2: to be able to work for if they want to

1554
01:17:19,720 --> 01:17:22,080
Speaker 2: keep an extra defensive lineman or if they want to

1555
01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:24,680
Speaker 2: keep an extra wide receiver. You know, you take from here,

1556
01:17:24,760 --> 01:17:27,360
Speaker 2: you take from there. You also have to remember that

1557
01:17:27,439 --> 01:17:31,320
Speaker 2: Reggie gilliam is also a full back, and yeah, I

1558
01:17:31,360 --> 01:17:33,960
Speaker 2: don't see him going anywhere. What's your kind of take

1559
01:17:34,080 --> 01:17:35,120
Speaker 2: on that position group?

1560
01:17:35,320 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 4: See, I don't think they'll ultimately keep four normal running

1561
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:42,160
Speaker 4: backs and then Reggie Gilliams sort of have five total,

1562
01:17:43,080 --> 01:17:45,280
Speaker 4: and a lot of the pieces outside of James Cook,

1563
01:17:45,320 --> 01:17:49,120
Speaker 4: Damien Harris, Latavious Murray, nheim Hines, they're established veterans. I

1564
01:17:49,120 --> 01:17:51,519
Speaker 4: think Brandon Bean, like he's done a lot, is just

1565
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:53,280
Speaker 4: going to kind of let them go out there and

1566
01:17:53,479 --> 01:17:56,599
Speaker 4: compete in training camp and certainly in the preseason, and

1567
01:17:56,920 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 4: may have to make one of those difficult decisions at

1568
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 4: that spot to either cut or maybe do a Brandon

1569
01:18:02,360 --> 01:18:05,400
Speaker 4: Bean August trade to even get a six or a

1570
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:07,760
Speaker 4: seventh rounder for a running back who already has some

1571
01:18:07,800 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 4: mileage on his legs. That would be good, just team

1572
01:18:10,680 --> 01:18:13,600
Speaker 4: navigation in terms of building your roster. So they have

1573
01:18:13,840 --> 01:18:17,719
Speaker 4: all different skill sets, like we mentioned earlier with Harris

1574
01:18:17,760 --> 01:18:20,280
Speaker 4: and Murray. More between the tackles at the goal line,

1575
01:18:20,520 --> 01:18:24,559
Speaker 4: nahem Hines brings you the kickoff ability and in space

1576
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,439
Speaker 4: and as a receiver presumably he can be good. That's

1577
01:18:27,479 --> 01:18:29,639
Speaker 4: kind of what James Cook gives you. So if there's

1578
01:18:29,680 --> 01:18:31,519
Speaker 4: one I had to pick, Nahem Hines I think has

1579
01:18:31,560 --> 01:18:35,320
Speaker 4: to have a very good summer to entrench himself on

1580
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:36,600
Speaker 4: this roster come September.

1581
01:18:36,680 --> 01:18:39,640
Speaker 2: I like that. All right, Andrew has a question. I

1582
01:18:39,720 --> 01:18:43,240
Speaker 2: was reading a story from NFL writer Kevin Patra, sorry

1583
01:18:43,240 --> 01:18:45,960
Speaker 2: if that's wrong pronunciation on that last name, and it's

1584
01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:49,719
Speaker 2: from a statement made by Panthers running back Miles Sanders,

1585
01:18:49,720 --> 01:18:52,960
Speaker 2: and he states that almost every running back is underpaid.

1586
01:18:53,040 --> 01:18:55,760
Speaker 2: Right now? Do you agree with Sanders? He says, for

1587
01:18:55,840 --> 01:18:58,320
Speaker 2: me personally, I believe running backs are a dime a dozen.

1588
01:18:58,680 --> 01:18:59,960
Speaker 2: But what's your take?

1589
01:19:00,960 --> 01:19:03,800
Speaker 4: I think, yes, they're a dime a dozen. And this

1590
01:19:03,960 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 4: is I grew up on the NFL, So did you

1591
01:19:06,840 --> 01:19:09,799
Speaker 4: the Barry Sanders, the Therman Thomas, the Emmitt Smith NFL?

1592
01:19:09,840 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 4: And that was kind of felt like that was the

1593
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,160
Speaker 4: marquee position in the NFL. Those guys were getting twenty

1594
01:19:15,160 --> 01:19:17,679
Speaker 4: five to thirty five carries a game, they were winning

1595
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:20,719
Speaker 4: MVP awards. Therman Thomas, the Bill's last MVP in nineteen

1596
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:23,120
Speaker 4: ninety one. It's just not the same anymore. And I

1597
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,560
Speaker 4: think teams have gotten smarter, and we've heard about analytics

1598
01:19:27,600 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 4: so much. Marcellus Wiley brought it up that just teams

1599
01:19:29,840 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 4: are operating a lot more strategically and that as long

1600
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,400
Speaker 4: as you have a pretty good offensive line, you can

1601
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,519
Speaker 4: get the production that you need out of the running

1602
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:41,479
Speaker 4: back spot, especially with the caveat if you have an

1603
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:45,320
Speaker 4: elite quarterback and you're really featuring him and the past game.

1604
01:19:45,400 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 3: So I don't.

1605
01:19:45,800 --> 01:19:49,360
Speaker 4: Necessarily think they're underpaid. I think the teams, and we've

1606
01:19:49,360 --> 01:19:52,679
Speaker 4: seen it recently with Todd Gurley and with Ezekiel Elliott,

1607
01:19:52,760 --> 01:19:56,760
Speaker 4: the teams that do pay those really expensive contracts to

1608
01:19:56,800 --> 01:20:01,280
Speaker 4: the running backs ultimately regret it. Melvin Gordon is another one.

1609
01:20:01,760 --> 01:20:04,559
Speaker 4: Le'Veon Bell being another one as well, that you just

1610
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:07,720
Speaker 4: if you're trying to keep everyone under there or keep

1611
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:09,960
Speaker 4: under the salary cap, and pay your quarterback and pay

1612
01:20:10,000 --> 01:20:12,080
Speaker 4: your defensive ends and your wide receivers.

1613
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 3: You can't pay running backs very much.

1614
01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:17,360
Speaker 4: I proposed that coming out of college, the next CBA

1615
01:20:17,479 --> 01:20:21,080
Speaker 4: needs to include a rookie wage scale for running backs,

1616
01:20:21,080 --> 01:20:23,839
Speaker 4: that they should get paid more right out of college

1617
01:20:23,840 --> 01:20:26,600
Speaker 4: because at twenty two they're already in the prime of

1618
01:20:26,640 --> 01:20:29,519
Speaker 4: their careers. It's twenty four, twenty five, twenty six, twenty

1619
01:20:29,520 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 4: seven is when they start to tail off once they

1620
01:20:32,000 --> 01:20:33,639
Speaker 4: have some of that wear and tear on their body.

1621
01:20:33,680 --> 01:20:35,840
Speaker 4: So I don't think they're underpaid. And if I was

1622
01:20:35,920 --> 01:20:40,240
Speaker 4: running a team, I wouldn't spend too much money, especially

1623
01:20:40,280 --> 01:20:43,040
Speaker 4: on veteran running backs with the Bills have done with.

1624
01:20:43,120 --> 01:20:45,360
Speaker 3: Harris being cheap and Murray being cheap.

1625
01:20:45,160 --> 01:20:48,240
Speaker 4: And then second third round pick on an explosive runner

1626
01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,000
Speaker 4: that can hit big plays like James cook Can. I

1627
01:20:51,040 --> 01:20:53,080
Speaker 4: think that's the way to ultimately do it. And it's

1628
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:56,040
Speaker 4: not a surprise because of the Bills analytics department that

1629
01:20:56,040 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 4: that's how they've constructed their running back room.

1630
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't necessarily think running backs are underpaid. I

1631
01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,840
Speaker 2: can understand where Miles Sanders is coming from, though you're

1632
01:21:04,880 --> 01:21:08,240
Speaker 2: speaking out on behalf of yours that you play in

1633
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:11,200
Speaker 2: the NFL and you're a part of position group that

1634
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 2: is a position group where you know you get three

1635
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 2: or four years out of these running backs, and people

1636
01:21:17,520 --> 01:21:20,320
Speaker 2: are ready to move on to a cheaper option in

1637
01:21:20,520 --> 01:21:23,400
Speaker 2: a rookie running back or a veteran running back that's

1638
01:21:23,520 --> 01:21:25,439
Speaker 2: on the end of his career, and people may not

1639
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,799
Speaker 2: want to give a running back a second contract because

1640
01:21:29,160 --> 01:21:32,040
Speaker 2: you kind of can get them out there on the

1641
01:21:32,080 --> 01:21:35,559
Speaker 2: market or via the draft with the type of running

1642
01:21:35,600 --> 01:21:38,200
Speaker 2: back that you want to fit into your offense. Now

1643
01:21:38,280 --> 01:21:40,160
Speaker 2: to that point, though, it has been a little bit

1644
01:21:40,200 --> 01:21:43,200
Speaker 2: tough for the Bills to find that running back. Maybe

1645
01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:45,960
Speaker 2: if they did, they would have that running back on

1646
01:21:45,960 --> 01:21:48,080
Speaker 2: their roster for a little bit longer than let's say,

1647
01:21:48,080 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 2: a Zach Moss or a Devin Singletary. Not saying that

1648
01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 2: they didn't add things. Zach Moss had some injuries while

1649
01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:56,280
Speaker 2: he was here. In Devin Singletary, I think did. I

1650
01:21:56,280 --> 01:21:58,240
Speaker 2: think he did a good job for the Bills when

1651
01:21:58,240 --> 01:21:59,840
Speaker 2: he was on the field, and I think he did

1652
01:22:00,240 --> 01:22:02,840
Speaker 2: add to the offense. We'll see what the running backs

1653
01:22:02,920 --> 01:22:08,519
Speaker 2: room looks like this season, but I can understand wanting

1654
01:22:08,560 --> 01:22:10,599
Speaker 2: to get paid more and being a position group that's

1655
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,200
Speaker 2: kind of like left out in the NFL right now

1656
01:22:13,200 --> 01:22:16,040
Speaker 2: in a lot of ways, and there's not many teams

1657
01:22:16,080 --> 01:22:20,439
Speaker 2: that ride and die for their running back or centered

1658
01:22:20,560 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 2: around their running back. That's just not how the NFL

1659
01:22:23,200 --> 01:22:26,320
Speaker 2: works and operates. And when you think about paying players,

1660
01:22:26,320 --> 01:22:28,559
Speaker 2: and when you think about the salary cap, I mean,

1661
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:33,160
Speaker 2: you're paying your quarterback, you're paying your defensive end, you're

1662
01:22:33,160 --> 01:22:37,000
Speaker 2: paying your left tackle, you're paying your best wide receiver,

1663
01:22:37,160 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 2: you're paying your best defensive tackle, you're paying your best corner.

1664
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 2: And then from there it's like, let's try to spread

1665
01:22:44,080 --> 01:22:46,680
Speaker 2: this money out. It's not easy because these are the

1666
01:22:46,680 --> 01:22:49,680
Speaker 2: premier positions now in the NFL that you have to

1667
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:52,559
Speaker 2: pay and that cost a lot. I don't know, maybe

1668
01:22:52,600 --> 01:22:54,599
Speaker 2: ten to fifteen years down the road, we could see

1669
01:22:54,640 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 2: the NFL change, But for right now, unfortunately for Miles

1670
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:00,639
Speaker 2: Sanders and a lot of the other premier running backs

1671
01:23:00,800 --> 01:23:03,920
Speaker 2: that maybe did get paid more a while ago or

1672
01:23:03,960 --> 01:23:06,439
Speaker 2: think they're valued out more right now because of how

1673
01:23:06,479 --> 01:23:09,559
Speaker 2: much other positions are getting paid, it's just not the case.

1674
01:23:09,600 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 2: It's kind of like the tight ends have kind of

1675
01:23:11,360 --> 01:23:15,200
Speaker 2: taken over that position that the running backs held in

1676
01:23:15,240 --> 01:23:18,400
Speaker 2: that they're not the most important, but they're definitely up

1677
01:23:18,479 --> 01:23:19,840
Speaker 2: on a pedestal now.

1678
01:23:20,439 --> 01:23:22,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's exactly why I think right out of

1679
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 4: college there's there's the rookie wage scale, which has made

1680
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:29,200
Speaker 4: things a lot easier and not as complicated with first

1681
01:23:29,200 --> 01:23:32,400
Speaker 4: and second rounders and third rounders signing those draft picks.

1682
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,840
Speaker 4: And I remember pre rookie wage scale, how much of

1683
01:23:35,880 --> 01:23:38,360
Speaker 4: a mess that would be. JaMarcus Russell's like the famous

1684
01:23:38,640 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 4: one where he held out, he couldn't come to terms

1685
01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:42,599
Speaker 4: with the Raiders. It got him behind the eight ball.

1686
01:23:43,320 --> 01:23:47,240
Speaker 4: It's why running backs need a different wage scale right

1687
01:23:47,280 --> 01:23:51,040
Speaker 4: out of college. Miles Sanders, Ezekiel Elliott, sa Kwon Barkley,

1688
01:23:51,200 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 4: even Devin Singletary, Christian McCaffrey, Delvin Cook, they were at

1689
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 4: their best at twenty two years old. That's when they

1690
01:23:56,840 --> 01:23:58,320
Speaker 4: should have been able to sign.

1691
01:23:58,160 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 3: Their biggest deal.

1692
01:23:59,160 --> 01:23:59,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I hate it for that.

1693
01:24:00,320 --> 01:24:04,479
Speaker 4: So if anyone in the NFL players Union or collective pass,

1694
01:24:04,560 --> 01:24:07,640
Speaker 4: that's if you want to make it right financially the

1695
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:10,240
Speaker 4: running backs and if there is even a.

1696
01:24:10,160 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 3: Needed solution here, I don't know if this will ultimately happen.

1697
01:24:12,520 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 4: Obviously, that's the only way to get someone like Miles

1698
01:24:15,439 --> 01:24:18,479
Speaker 4: Sanders to not ultimately say this if the running back

1699
01:24:18,520 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 4: position got their biggest payday right.

1700
01:24:20,640 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 3: Out of college.

1701
01:24:21,920 --> 01:24:26,000
Speaker 2: Randy asks with the upgraded offense, does Josh throw for

1702
01:24:26,120 --> 01:24:28,960
Speaker 2: close to or over five thousand yards for the first

1703
01:24:28,960 --> 01:24:30,880
Speaker 2: time in his career? You were kind of just adding

1704
01:24:30,920 --> 01:24:34,400
Speaker 2: up those. Yeah, okay, close to five thousand. I think

1705
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:35,080
Speaker 2: it's possible.

1706
01:24:35,120 --> 01:24:39,040
Speaker 4: I think it's possible if he throws. There's some pretty

1707
01:24:39,080 --> 01:24:41,760
Speaker 4: simple math here. If you can follow me, six hundred

1708
01:24:41,800 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 4: and twenty five attempts at eight yards per attempt, which

1709
01:24:45,600 --> 01:24:48,719
Speaker 4: Josh Allen was at seven point nine yards per attempt

1710
01:24:48,720 --> 01:24:51,280
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty, which I think was the most effective

1711
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,160
Speaker 4: we've seen this Bill's offense since the Jim Kelly Bills.

1712
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:57,600
Speaker 4: Then that gets you to five thousand yards. He was

1713
01:24:57,760 --> 01:24:59,800
Speaker 4: right around their head. He played that game against his

1714
01:25:00,000 --> 01:25:03,200
Speaker 4: SNATI Bengals. He would have been right around six hundred,

1715
01:25:03,280 --> 01:25:06,160
Speaker 4: maybe six hundred and ten attempts and didn't feel like

1716
01:25:06,160 --> 01:25:08,439
Speaker 4: there was too many games where Josh Allen was, you know,

1717
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:11,639
Speaker 4: throwing fifty fifty five times a game. He's right around

1718
01:25:12,280 --> 01:25:15,599
Speaker 4: thirty five to thirty six attempts per game in his

1719
01:25:15,680 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 4: Bill's starting career. So if you get him at that

1720
01:25:18,960 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 4: same number if he plays all seventeen games and we

1721
01:25:22,479 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 4: see more of the twenty twenty Josh Allen and the

1722
01:25:25,479 --> 01:25:28,920
Speaker 4: twenty twenty offense that again had him right around eight

1723
01:25:28,960 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 4: yards per attempt. That gets you to just over five

1724
01:25:31,840 --> 01:25:34,160
Speaker 4: thousand yards. So for a lot of quarterbacks that is

1725
01:25:34,200 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 4: out of reach. It's really a new mark that we

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01:25:37,600 --> 01:25:40,000
Speaker 4: did not see very often when it was only sixteen games,

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01:25:40,040 --> 01:25:41,960
Speaker 4: and now even with seventeen, you got to be throwing

1728
01:25:42,000 --> 01:25:44,879
Speaker 4: the football lot and you have to be very productive

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01:25:44,880 --> 01:25:48,960
Speaker 4: in doing so. Like they mentioned in this question, with

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01:25:49,040 --> 01:25:51,960
Speaker 4: the improved pieces, with Ken Dorsey going into year two,

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01:25:52,320 --> 01:25:55,040
Speaker 4: I definitely think it's within striking distance if we just

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01:25:55,080 --> 01:25:59,400
Speaker 4: get normal Josh Allen, high valume and just better efficiency

1733
01:25:59,439 --> 01:26:00,799
Speaker 4: from where he was last season.

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01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:03,240
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty he had four thousand, five hundred and

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01:26:03,240 --> 01:26:06,599
Speaker 2: fifty five hundred and forty four passing yards. In twenty

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01:26:06,640 --> 01:26:09,000
Speaker 2: twenty one he had four thousand, four hundred and seven,

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01:26:09,280 --> 01:26:11,639
Speaker 2: and then last season he had four thousand, two hundred

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01:26:11,640 --> 01:26:14,680
Speaker 2: and eighty three passing yards. So he's kind of knocking

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01:26:14,840 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 2: on that door of getting close to five thousand with

1740
01:26:17,640 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: the new pieces, Like you said, can it be possible?

1741
01:26:21,120 --> 01:26:24,360
Speaker 2: He also had thirty seven passing touchdowns in twenty twenty.

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01:26:24,400 --> 01:26:27,320
Speaker 2: That was a career high for Josh Allen. That was

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01:26:27,600 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 2: a season to remember for Josh twenty twenty. Can he

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01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:32,759
Speaker 2: get back to those twenty twenty ways here in twenty

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01:26:32,800 --> 01:26:33,920
Speaker 2: twenty three, that's the question.

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01:26:34,120 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I think when you go back to that

1747
01:26:35,920 --> 01:26:39,960
Speaker 4: that it's a lot about the coaching staff. It's about

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01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:43,040
Speaker 4: the personnel. To me, and it's kind of going back

1749
01:26:43,080 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 4: to our conversation with Marcellus that it's about the pieces

1750
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:49,519
Speaker 4: that you have, and that twenty twenty team you still had,

1751
01:26:49,560 --> 01:26:51,719
Speaker 4: I think Cole Beasley in the prime of his career.

1752
01:26:51,760 --> 01:26:54,880
Speaker 4: You still had John Brown, who was that consummate number

1753
01:26:54,880 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 4: two two Stefan Diggs. I think the Bills are closer

1754
01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,040
Speaker 4: personnel wise than the group that they were kind of

1755
01:27:01,479 --> 01:27:03,719
Speaker 4: a patchwork unit at the end of last season bringing

1756
01:27:03,720 --> 01:27:06,800
Speaker 4: back Cole Beasley two years after that John Brown was

1757
01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:08,679
Speaker 4: on the street. He was not on a roster, neither

1758
01:27:08,720 --> 01:27:12,760
Speaker 4: was Cole Beasley. Bringing him back playing considerable snaps in

1759
01:27:12,800 --> 01:27:16,360
Speaker 4: December and into January. You have a group that is

1760
01:27:16,600 --> 01:27:19,720
Speaker 4: Trent Sherfield's made plays in the NFL. Khalil Shakir I

1761
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 4: think is going to be a star in the slot position.

1762
01:27:22,280 --> 01:27:26,519
Speaker 4: Deonty Hardy has played and been that explosive weapon. It's

1763
01:27:26,800 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 4: personnel wise closer to what they had when Josh Allen

1764
01:27:30,600 --> 01:27:32,800
Speaker 4: was really tracking toward getting that five thousand yards soon.

1765
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:34,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. All right, break time for us. When we

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Speaker 2: come back, we're closing up shop here on One Bills Live.

1767
01:27:37,920 --> 01:27:54,840
Speaker 2: We're presented by Clyde Health on Buffalo Bills Radio. All Right,

1768
01:27:54,880 --> 01:27:58,600
Speaker 2: we're back here on One Bills Live and Chris I

1769
01:27:58,680 --> 01:28:02,679
Speaker 2: wanted to tup for a fun fact about our running

1770
01:28:02,720 --> 01:28:06,200
Speaker 2: backs in Damien Harris and Moltavious Murray. So hit us

1771
01:28:06,200 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 2: with it because I think it's so cool.

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01:28:07,920 --> 01:28:11,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, this is really fascinating to me. So over the

1773
01:28:11,320 --> 01:28:14,400
Speaker 4: last three years, there's been a take that the Bills

1774
01:28:14,400 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 4: have not been very effective and they just can't run

1775
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:18,080
Speaker 4: inside the red zone. A lot of those are the

1776
01:28:18,120 --> 01:28:20,599
Speaker 4: Josh Allen runs or it's too congested, so they can't

1777
01:28:20,600 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 4: be as efficient as a lot of people believe they

1778
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:27,839
Speaker 4: should be. I was looking up running backs production inside

1779
01:28:27,840 --> 01:28:29,400
Speaker 4: the ten yard line since twenty twenty.

1780
01:28:30,360 --> 01:28:31,720
Speaker 3: Guess who are the top.

1781
01:28:31,560 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 4: Two backs in yards per carry inside the ten? Number

1782
01:28:36,240 --> 01:28:40,720
Speaker 4: one is Latavious Murray two point eight five yards per

1783
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:44,040
Speaker 4: carry inside the ten when everything's congested with eleven touchdowns,

1784
01:28:44,200 --> 01:28:48,679
Speaker 4: and number two is Damian Harris at two point seven

1785
01:28:48,720 --> 01:28:51,439
Speaker 4: to four yards per carry inside the ten. Is that

1786
01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 4: too elementary to be coming from the analytics department? Maybe,

1787
01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:57,960
Speaker 4: but I think watching the film, it would probably show

1788
01:28:58,000 --> 01:29:01,559
Speaker 4: that those two backs have been very effective in tight

1789
01:29:01,720 --> 01:29:03,680
Speaker 4: where the Bills needed to get better. It's again where

1790
01:29:03,720 --> 01:29:06,519
Speaker 4: Brandon Bean saw a problem in the previous season and

1791
01:29:06,600 --> 01:29:09,559
Speaker 4: went right ahead and fixed it by bringing in players.

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01:29:09,880 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 2: All right, we are off next week. No shows here

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01:29:13,200 --> 01:29:16,200
Speaker 2: from One Bills Live. Our next show will be Monday,

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01:29:16,400 --> 01:29:19,360
Speaker 2: July tenth. We hope you enjoy your fourth of July

1795
01:29:19,520 --> 01:29:23,880
Speaker 2: weekend and summer. We'll see you next week on One

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