1 00:00:02,520 --> 00:00:06,080 Speaker 1: To Teas and a Pod with Teddy Mellencamp and camera 2 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:06,560 Speaker 1: je Edge. 3 00:00:14,560 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 2: Hi, guys, welcome to another episode of Pod with myself, 4 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:19,360 Speaker 2: Teddy Mellencamp. 5 00:00:18,880 --> 00:00:20,360 Speaker 1: And Katie Danilla. 6 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,000 Speaker 2: I am so excited to have you here. 7 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:25,919 Speaker 1: Thanks for inviting me, really, thanks. 8 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:26,320 Speaker 2: For coming on in. 9 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Yeah. 10 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 2: I know it's been rough for you. Yes, if anyone 11 00:00:32,400 --> 00:00:36,479 Speaker 2: knows rough, I can tell you I was. I was 12 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 2: probably the most hated human there actually was. How it's 13 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:45,400 Speaker 2: actually okay, okay, okay. I need you to embrace it 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 2: and enjoy it. It becomes fun. 15 00:00:48,479 --> 00:00:51,519 Speaker 1: It's enjoyable. Yes, okay, Well I'm waiting for that. 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: We just need you a couple of good friends on 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:56,480 Speaker 2: the show and then it won't matter. 18 00:00:56,800 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I put in my stories the other day. 19 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 1: It's so funny if I'm asked back, and if I 20 00:01:01,840 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 1: can bring someone on. My friend Noreene is literally perfect 21 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:05,880 Speaker 1: for this show. 22 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:09,160 Speaker 2: She's been to Wolf. Yes, I know her. 23 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:10,000 Speaker 1: How do you know her? 24 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:12,720 Speaker 2: I know her because back in the day I used 25 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 2: to work at CAA or UTA in the mailroom and 26 00:01:15,160 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 2: she was a client. 27 00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: Yes, she's an actual actress. She did one hundred episodes 28 00:01:20,240 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: of Anger Management with Charlie she she's been in movies. 29 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:27,039 Speaker 1: She's she's incredible, and she's feisty, so feisty that girl 30 00:01:27,080 --> 00:01:29,360 Speaker 1: could read anyone down, That's what I'm saying. And she's 31 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,520 Speaker 1: a dear friend of mine. Her husband and Matt are 32 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: dear friends. Her husband was in the NHL for nineteen years. 33 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 2: Is this her second husband or first husband? 34 00:01:36,880 --> 00:01:37,240 Speaker 1: Second? 35 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 2: But I was gonna say I think I knew her first. 36 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 1: Yeah, her first they were married very briefly. Yeah, but 37 00:01:41,440 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: she's lived on the street from her first husband. I 38 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 1: want to think mine was brief, but it wasn't. But 39 00:01:47,720 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: she's amazing and a real friend, an actual one. 40 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,200 Speaker 2: So if you had her and then she bonded with 41 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 2: somebody else and that dodn't know each other, well, Jen's 42 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 2: no friend to you. Do you think she is? 43 00:02:01,480 --> 00:02:04,520 Speaker 1: I think she thought she was. But I'm very, very, 44 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 1: very hurt. 45 00:02:05,880 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 2: I mean, I said to Erica, I'm like, she has 46 00:02:07,720 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 2: the worst case of pretend amnisia I've ever seen. 47 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: Well, I remember, like looking back now, I don't know 48 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 1: if you remember this, but towards the beginning of the season, 49 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,239 Speaker 1: on the way down to the Golden Door, Yeah, I said, 50 00:02:18,280 --> 00:02:20,000 Speaker 1: I heard you called me a con artist. Did you 51 00:02:20,040 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 1: call me that? She was like, well, I don't know, 52 00:02:21,880 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: but if I did, I'm sorry. And I was like, no, Jen, 53 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,280 Speaker 1: did you like just say I didn't call you that? 54 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:26,640 Speaker 2: Like did? 55 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:29,240 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like anything you would say, you know, 56 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:31,960 Speaker 1: and that I was kind of like, well, that's weird, 57 00:02:31,960 --> 00:02:33,120 Speaker 1: Like if you didn't say it, why wouldn't you just 58 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: say I didn't say it? You know. 59 00:02:36,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 2: The other thing is if you didn't say it, why 60 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 2: not say it? But every single time you ask her 61 00:02:40,800 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 2: for backup, she's never. 62 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:46,399 Speaker 1: There, And I do yes, And I do remember last 63 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 1: year I went in for her a little bit, you know, 64 00:02:49,440 --> 00:02:51,320 Speaker 1: every interview I was talking about how people need to 65 00:02:51,400 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: leave her and Ryan alone because they were getting blasted 66 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,240 Speaker 1: with things from last year. 67 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,480 Speaker 2: But I think she went into this season. She had 68 00:02:57,480 --> 00:02:59,519 Speaker 2: a good fan reaction last year. 69 00:02:59,639 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 1: Did She's very lovable. 70 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:03,160 Speaker 2: She's very lovable. So then I think she went in 71 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: and she was like, I'm not messing that up. I'm 72 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 2: not doing it in the second season curse. I'm giving 73 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:10,119 Speaker 2: it to Teddy. I did get it. I got it. 74 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 1: I do think she didn't want to go down with 75 00:03:13,360 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: this sinking ship. 76 00:03:14,560 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, she didn't want to go down with this ship. 77 00:03:16,480 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 2: All right, So going into the season, did you anticipate 78 00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: the fan reaction that you got or. 79 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: No, Teddy, I was. I literally told Matt, I said 80 00:03:24,520 --> 00:03:27,000 Speaker 1: this yesterday in press, we need to go on hiding, 81 00:03:27,360 --> 00:03:29,799 Speaker 1: Like I think we should move to Ireland. No, We'll 82 00:03:29,800 --> 00:03:32,160 Speaker 1: go into the middle of nowhere. And Matt's like where 83 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: his grandfather's land is, great grandfather, We'll just live there 84 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: in that little shack, Like, let's just go into hiding. 85 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,920 Speaker 1: I think people are going to hate me. People think 86 00:03:39,960 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: I was like, Oh, I can't wait, and the fans 87 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:43,720 Speaker 1: are gonna let me. I thought the opposite. I am 88 00:03:43,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: actually shocked by the love I'm getting. 89 00:03:46,000 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I think that you know something. I want 90 00:03:49,560 --> 00:03:51,600 Speaker 2: to kind of take it back a little bit. Okay, 91 00:03:51,600 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 2: I don't want to start with exactly what's happening right now, 92 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 2: but let's take it back a season. We go back 93 00:03:58,840 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 2: when you brought up the head paparazzi stuff. Yes, do 94 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,640 Speaker 2: you regret that? 95 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: Yes? And no, yes, because I think the timing wasn't good. 96 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:10,040 Speaker 1: It was very fresh and new in the season, and 97 00:04:10,080 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: maybe I should have waited on that. Yeah, but I 98 00:04:13,160 --> 00:04:15,120 Speaker 1: was being told to bring it up. And if you 99 00:04:15,240 --> 00:04:17,320 Speaker 1: notice if you look back. I actually only talk about 100 00:04:17,320 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: it one time. Everyone else talks about it. Gina was 101 00:04:20,600 --> 00:04:22,800 Speaker 1: encouraging me in text and calls, bring it up, bring 102 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:24,599 Speaker 1: it up, and I did, and she was like, you 103 00:04:24,600 --> 00:04:25,919 Speaker 1: should tell her. I'm gonna tell her. So I did, 104 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: and then she's like, I told you not to say anything. 105 00:04:28,279 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: And I was like, wait what You literally told me 106 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:34,800 Speaker 1: to say it? And I again, I thought it was 107 00:04:34,839 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: a silly, funny thing, like who cares if you did? 108 00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:43,440 Speaker 1: You did? You were going through I don't know Heather Debro. 109 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: I really don't know her, so I didn't realize it 110 00:04:47,320 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: was going to be. 111 00:04:48,200 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: Would you still say that you still don't know her? 112 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:53,760 Speaker 1: I still don't know her. Yeah, no, I don't know. 113 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:55,719 Speaker 1: I don't know most of the cast. 114 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,560 Speaker 2: Who would you say, I mean, because we can't say Jen, 115 00:04:58,640 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 2: But who would you say you feel like a true 116 00:05:00,520 --> 00:05:02,039 Speaker 2: connection with in the group? 117 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:05,359 Speaker 1: Well, it varies. In the beginning, it was Gina. I 118 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,440 Speaker 1: thought she was being genuine. She met my two best 119 00:05:07,480 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 1: friends before we started filming, and my two best friends 120 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:12,920 Speaker 1: were like, she's great. She's a fun girl. She's very outgoing, 121 00:05:12,920 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: she's very witty and quick, and my friends are like, 122 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:17,159 Speaker 1: you're in good hands. We're not worried, You're gonna do great. 123 00:05:17,279 --> 00:05:20,160 Speaker 1: And then towards the middle, they were like, what the fuck. 124 00:05:20,360 --> 00:05:21,800 Speaker 2: She didn't realize she was coaching you? 125 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: I did not. 126 00:05:23,800 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 2: At what point did you realized she was coaching you? Well? 127 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:29,200 Speaker 1: I got Okay. So the night before that golf party 128 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: that I had, yeah, she was on speakerphone. We were 129 00:05:32,760 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 1: talking about what I was going to say to Heather 130 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: because I was going to bring it up to Heather. 131 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:35,880 Speaker 2: Okay. 132 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: She was like, Okay, this is what I just think 133 00:05:36,960 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 1: you should say, and I hung up with her. Matt goes, 134 00:05:39,320 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 1: she's using you. Yeah, she's using you, Katie, and I 135 00:05:42,360 --> 00:05:43,920 Speaker 1: was like, Matt, you don't know what you're talking about. 136 00:05:44,000 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: I'm with this woman now five days a week. I 137 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: don't think she's like that. And he was like, Katie, 138 00:05:49,720 --> 00:05:52,040 Speaker 1: I'm telling you right now, stop talking about it. 139 00:05:52,040 --> 00:05:53,839 Speaker 2: So Matt can read people, and you can't. 140 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 1: We do that for each other. I think I think 141 00:05:56,560 --> 00:05:58,880 Speaker 1: we do that for each other when people are harsh 142 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:01,159 Speaker 1: with him. I'm like that guy, you know. I think 143 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:03,599 Speaker 1: we do that for each other. But no, he always 144 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 1: tells me, Katie, you can't save every animal. You know, 145 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: I am trying. I think it goes back to like 146 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,080 Speaker 1: being adopted and wanting to be included. I think I 147 00:06:11,160 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: try to. 148 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:14,440 Speaker 2: Like you and you want. 149 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:17,360 Speaker 1: I am a people pleaser, You're a thousand percent and 150 00:06:17,400 --> 00:06:19,480 Speaker 1: it it's that's why I stayed married to my first 151 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: husband so long. How long were you married legally? 152 00:06:22,880 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah? 153 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 1: Ten years? 154 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:26,960 Speaker 2: I think because this brings us back to your feud 155 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:28,760 Speaker 2: with Emily got a little dark at the reunion when 156 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 2: she brought up your previous domestic violence incident and how 157 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,640 Speaker 2: that affected the custody with your kids. Matt said on 158 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,720 Speaker 2: a podcast that you had to be picked up off 159 00:06:37,720 --> 00:06:40,320 Speaker 2: the floor after. So can you give me a little 160 00:06:40,320 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 2: more insight on that. 161 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't want to talk about it really bad. 162 00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 2: I can see getting emotional in that. I know. 163 00:06:47,080 --> 00:06:52,040 Speaker 1: I just I hate talking about I am. I hate 164 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: that it makes me look like a bad mother. 165 00:06:54,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 3: But really it was just a really horrible time of 166 00:06:55,880 --> 00:06:59,200 Speaker 3: life and I was just trying to survive and so 167 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:04,640 Speaker 3: I I was literally homeless. I was seeking help of 168 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 3: a shelter in Atlanta. Now I can say that, I know, 169 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:09,720 Speaker 3: I can say that facility and they were very great. 170 00:07:09,800 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: I didn't have help for my family. I had a 171 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 3: couple of girlfriends that helped me. But the fact that 172 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: it came out like you're a bad person, that hurts. Yeah, 173 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: because then I got them back. 174 00:07:20,440 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 2: You know, and clearly they love you. 175 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, we're going through stuff right now with 176 00:07:26,400 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: my son Max, who's in Atlanta, so you'll have to say, 177 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:33,160 Speaker 1: I guess what happens with that. But that hurt. I 178 00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:36,880 Speaker 1: don't think that was necessary, you know. But also they 179 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: didn't really know the context because they never asked in 180 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:40,480 Speaker 1: the season. 181 00:07:40,840 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 2: Because so often people ask questions just in hopes for 182 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: being able to have a good response instead of actually 183 00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: listening to what you had to say. 184 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:50,880 Speaker 1: Right, And that was my qualm the whole time, Like 185 00:07:50,880 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: when I like, my words were jumbled inviting people to 186 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: buy this season, but I was really wanting to say, 187 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 1: let's get to know each other. I think that if 188 00:07:59,200 --> 00:08:01,360 Speaker 1: you actually knew who I was, you wouldn't hate me 189 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: so much. You know. I made a lot of rookie mistakes. 190 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: I'm not denying that I did, yea, and I wish 191 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: I could go back and change a lot of things, 192 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,679 Speaker 1: But I didn't mean it. There was no crazy malicious intent. 193 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't feel like you're malicious. I feel like 194 00:08:15,400 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 2: sometimes you look scared or like a deer in headlights. 195 00:08:19,080 --> 00:08:22,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, well when it's six verse one. Yeah, that's not 196 00:08:22,120 --> 00:08:23,000 Speaker 1: something I've ever dealt with. 197 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I get it. I get it. When you 198 00:08:27,040 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 2: began filming this season, did you expect Emily was gonna 199 00:08:29,520 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 2: apologize to you? 200 00:08:36,040 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 1: I know, I was hoping she would, that we could 201 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:42,440 Speaker 1: move forward because we did have good moments last season, 202 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: and my daughter loved her kids, by the way, loved 203 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: her kids, So I was hoping we can move forward, 204 00:08:49,840 --> 00:08:54,040 Speaker 1: maybe because they never babysit again, but friendly. But no, 205 00:08:54,160 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 1: I didn't think she was, and I really hope she does. Though. 206 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 2: How was your daughter affected by all this? 207 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: Now, she didn't really want to film this season. You 208 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,000 Speaker 1: don't see her. Yeah, well she was in Korea for 209 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,960 Speaker 1: a while. But also she didn't really want to because 210 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 1: when all that came out last year, she got death threats. Yeah, 211 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: big time ones. And she's an influencer before any of 212 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,079 Speaker 1: this Housewives stuff, she was an influencer. She has hundreds 213 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:19,360 Speaker 1: of thousands of followers. She makes more money than I 214 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: do on partnership, Oh way more money than I do. 215 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 1: And she is hustling she's fantastic, she's smart, she's in college, 216 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,080 Speaker 1: she helps me abandon like, she's an amazing human being, 217 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: and she was getting online. It's crazy. 218 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: It's crazy how it happens, I know. And then once 219 00:09:33,440 --> 00:09:35,520 Speaker 2: it happens, and then there's just a pile on and 220 00:09:35,600 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 2: it just gets worse and it feels like it doesn't 221 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 2: go away. That I completely get. So then we get 222 00:09:41,520 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: to this season. We come into this season and you 223 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: and Tamar are arguing on whether or not you called 224 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 2: the Bravo babe correct and you're not showing a receipt. 225 00:09:51,000 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 2: You don't have reception. 226 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,160 Speaker 1: Okay, can I just say something about this? Yes, when 227 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,640 Speaker 1: Tamor said did you call her? My immediate thought was, 228 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: and I don't think they showed this in the episode. 229 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:00,599 Speaker 1: Was I don't have that girl's number. What are you 230 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: talking about? I don't know her, what's her I don't 231 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: even know her name. And so after coming home from 232 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:08,240 Speaker 1: the Golden Door, yes, I was texting and driving, but 233 00:10:08,280 --> 00:10:10,320 Speaker 1: I was looking in my at and t app and 234 00:10:10,360 --> 00:10:12,320 Speaker 1: I was like looking at the date that all that 235 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,320 Speaker 1: happened with the Bravo Babe, and I was like, look, 236 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: if I can go back to my cell phone records 237 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 1: and show who I called, you know, the three days before, 238 00:10:19,760 --> 00:10:21,720 Speaker 1: the three days after the day up, I can prove 239 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 1: I never called this girl right right. So I went 240 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:27,080 Speaker 1: back to her and my DMS and I looked at 241 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: the date and then I saw the audio. Oh, and 242 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: I was like, fuck, I did call her on Instagram. 243 00:10:32,920 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: I completely spaced. It was like, oh no. So I 244 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:39,439 Speaker 1: went home. The next morning I had a scene with Shannon. 245 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,320 Speaker 1: I told the producers I got to talk to Tama. 246 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: I need to tell her. I need to like be 247 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: like hey, I figured it out, and luckily she was 248 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: very kind about it. 249 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's exactly what we want when we watch 250 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:55,120 Speaker 2: a housewife show is conflict and resolution. We don't want 251 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 2: this like drawn out situation, which I think is happening. 252 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 1: Think you should make Ted talk about that to my 253 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,360 Speaker 1: cast maybe yeah. 254 00:11:02,440 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 2: I mean I think that we're going to get there. 255 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: I think we're going to get somewhere today. I know 256 00:11:06,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 2: that there's concern whenever anybody does a podcast like oh no, 257 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,560 Speaker 2: this is just going to draw more hate. But I 258 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,520 Speaker 2: think there's parts that just haven't been talked about, and 259 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:18,960 Speaker 2: I think I haven't heard it as a viewer now 260 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 2: I'm a viewer and a podcaster, and like I watch 261 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 2: more Housewives than probably anybody. At this point, let's dig 262 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 2: into some additional questions. Okay, you again then denied filming 263 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: Shannon before admitting recording her. Why did you deny? Just 264 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: fear or. 265 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: Let me think back to that. I don't remember denying 266 00:11:51,080 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: I did it. I denied that I played it for Alexis. Right, 267 00:11:55,280 --> 00:11:57,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't a video. It was a voice memo to 268 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: my husband, okay, and I sent it to Matt right then. 269 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:03,880 Speaker 2: But then you also showed Alexis. 270 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: No, I did not. I did not know. We talked 271 00:12:07,760 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: about it at lunch, and so you told her. I 272 00:12:10,200 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: told her about it, one hundred percent. I did, and 273 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: Jen was at that lunch. I've never had lunch with 274 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,959 Speaker 1: Alexis alone. I've never been alone with Alexis. 275 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,720 Speaker 2: So you told her about it? What in the first place? 276 00:12:19,800 --> 00:12:21,720 Speaker 2: I mean, we all know that Shannon gets a bad 277 00:12:21,800 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 2: rap for some of her behavior to production and whatnot 278 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,400 Speaker 2: on the way she behaves. Do you think she gets 279 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:34,479 Speaker 2: a pass or some of her dramatic outbursts? 280 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: I think so. I think we all get passes for 281 00:12:37,160 --> 00:12:38,000 Speaker 1: certain things. 282 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, well maybe not me, but I was gonna say, 283 00:12:40,200 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: what are yours? 284 00:12:41,480 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm pretty nice to production. You know, 285 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:48,439 Speaker 1: I may have met someone recently that worked with her 286 00:12:49,440 --> 00:12:51,679 Speaker 1: on a show in Cabo and kind of backed me 287 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:55,680 Speaker 1: up on this. Yeah, it was never to like expose her. 288 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: There's eleven, I think years of her exposing herself. Yeah, 289 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: I don't need to. There doesn't need to be a 290 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: thirty second voice memo. 291 00:13:02,559 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 2: What was she saying that she even gave you that 292 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 2: thing of like I need to record this. 293 00:13:07,960 --> 00:13:09,520 Speaker 1: I don't want to say because I don't want to. 294 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:12,840 Speaker 1: I don't want to do that. But it was very erratic. 295 00:13:13,000 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: It was screaming, literally screaming. Her glam team had been 296 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 1: waiting for her for over an hour. She was late, 297 00:13:19,960 --> 00:13:24,320 Speaker 1: maybe even two hours, and it was just the most 298 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: outrageous thing. 299 00:13:27,160 --> 00:13:30,760 Speaker 2: It was just you were more gossiping. 300 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: With Matt correct And I mentioned this recently and I 301 00:13:34,960 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: found out that I'm not the only one that recorded 302 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:38,559 Speaker 1: her in that room because it was so outrageous. 303 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:41,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, so how come you didn't just say, yeah, I 304 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:42,000 Speaker 2: recorded you? 305 00:13:43,400 --> 00:13:44,680 Speaker 1: What did I say? 306 00:13:44,840 --> 00:13:46,480 Speaker 2: You kind of beat her on the bush a little 307 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,240 Speaker 2: bit like that's it's kind of that's a car that 308 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: gets me because I met I love you. I think 309 00:13:52,760 --> 00:13:55,640 Speaker 2: that honestly, watching this back, I'm like, fight for yourself 310 00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 2: a little bit. 311 00:13:56,200 --> 00:13:58,760 Speaker 1: No, You're totally right, teddy, And I think sometimes things 312 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: are moving so fast these scenes. Then I'm like, wait, 313 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: what it's like watching a tennis match a lot of times, 314 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: and even with the like alexis hearing it, it's a 315 00:14:08,520 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 1: video and I was like, wait, what what like and 316 00:14:11,120 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: the Bravo babe stuff, I kind of space out, okay, 317 00:14:14,760 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 1: And I think some like at the Golden Door, I 318 00:14:18,120 --> 00:14:22,840 Speaker 1: had taken my anxiety medicine and it made me a stump. Yeah. 319 00:14:22,920 --> 00:14:26,080 Speaker 1: I sat there like this like glare no glare, Like 320 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: I was nothing, and I was like, Okay, maybe I 321 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: shouldn't take that anymore. 322 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:32,720 Speaker 2: Or no food. Yeah, that's the thing. Like sometimes I think, like, 323 00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: I'm like, you have the right, okay, so you have 324 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,280 Speaker 2: the right to fight for yourself a little bit. And 325 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 2: sometimes I feel like you just sit there and you 326 00:14:40,120 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 2: take it and you're like okay. 327 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:44,840 Speaker 1: Okay, but it seem like it's a lie. One hundred percent. 328 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: I can see that. I can see how you think that. 329 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 1: I was being told at the beginning of the season 330 00:14:49,320 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 1: by some production people that are very kind and also 331 00:14:52,240 --> 00:14:54,040 Speaker 1: the women. You need to make amends. You need to 332 00:14:54,080 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: say you're sorry. You need to make this right. You 333 00:14:56,080 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: can't just have jed. So my thinking going into all 334 00:14:59,480 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 1: this is, Okay, I just need to apologize so we 335 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: can move forward. I need to admit I'm speaking me forward. 336 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: So that's what I was doing. So I'm in my 337 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,600 Speaker 1: head like do I say the thing that I'm thinking 338 00:15:09,880 --> 00:15:12,920 Speaker 1: or do I do what I'm being told to make amends? 339 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: Because this show is about conflict and resolution, right, And 340 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 1: if they're thinking that, I'm at the hert So. 341 00:15:17,640 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: You didn't really believe some of the amends that you're 342 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 2: making and you. 343 00:15:20,800 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: Were No, I do feel bad for hurting people, even 344 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 1: if it's indirectly, right, Like if I said something about 345 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 1: you and it hurt you and you say, like Katie, 346 00:15:27,280 --> 00:15:29,040 Speaker 1: that was shitty, I'd be like, I'm sorry that I 347 00:15:29,120 --> 00:15:31,360 Speaker 1: hurt you like that. I do mean that, right, I 348 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: got something that I'm owed, right, but I'm sorry that 349 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:35,160 Speaker 1: I hurt you. 350 00:15:35,800 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 2: Just pro tip for the for the reunion. I'm sorry 351 00:15:39,160 --> 00:15:41,200 Speaker 2: that I hurt you for saying it like that. Yeah, 352 00:15:41,280 --> 00:15:43,560 Speaker 2: doesn't really feel like an apology, right, But if you 353 00:15:43,640 --> 00:15:47,160 Speaker 2: just say hey, I'm really sorry. I care about you. 354 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:48,560 Speaker 2: I messed up. 355 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: I said that to Shannon multiple times. 356 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:57,000 Speaker 2: You did, Okay, Okay, So now we got to get 357 00:15:57,000 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 2: into the rest of it. So I'm going to first 358 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:00,400 Speaker 2: start out with a rumor that I I heard. 359 00:16:00,800 --> 00:16:02,560 Speaker 1: Oh God, okay, So. 360 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,440 Speaker 2: We're going to get into the Kiki monique of it all. 361 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:09,720 Speaker 2: So I heard a rumor. So there isn't one part 362 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 2: of me and correct correct me anywhere that I'm wrong. 363 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 2: There isn't a part of me that doesn't believe that 364 00:16:17,080 --> 00:16:21,680 Speaker 2: you went out to dinner with Jen Ryan, Gretchen Slade 365 00:16:21,800 --> 00:16:25,000 Speaker 2: and all this was talked about. It was, it was. 366 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: So we'll get into the gen of it all in 367 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:31,080 Speaker 2: a minute. But what I was told, who knows if 368 00:16:31,080 --> 00:16:33,520 Speaker 2: this is true. But I was told that Gretchen and 369 00:16:33,560 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: Sheena are very tight, yes, and that Shina told Kiki. 370 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:41,280 Speaker 1: I have heard that from multiple people. 371 00:16:41,040 --> 00:16:44,960 Speaker 2: Too, Okay, So I'm glad that we got that figured out. 372 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 2: So you know, I heard that they are very tight. 373 00:16:47,960 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 2: So there's multiple sources that could have told Kiki. 374 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: There is an account that was created just for this. 375 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 1: I was sent what uh huh. I'll send it to 376 00:16:56,760 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: you if you would like me to, and actually they 377 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: send it to Matt, and Matt's to me and he 378 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 1: was like, this is how it makes sense, and it 379 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:08,919 Speaker 1: was Sheena. There's clips of Sena colling Gretchen with Kiki 380 00:17:08,960 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: on their podcast together saying how do we get you 381 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: back on the show? How do we do this? And 382 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: it's also it's this stream of like twenty slides of 383 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: how it makes sense that it allegedly was them. 384 00:17:22,320 --> 00:17:24,440 Speaker 2: Because I heard that you said on Bile Files, what 385 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:26,159 Speaker 2: did you say? I'll die on that? 386 00:17:26,720 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: I'll die on that I didn't tell Kiki. 387 00:17:28,600 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 2: You didn't tell you gossip? 388 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, about myself. I was sitting at that lunch and 389 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:39,240 Speaker 1: she knew about the episodes that I hadn't even seen. Okay, 390 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: she had seen screeners that I hadn't even been given. 391 00:17:42,200 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 1: And I was it was before we filmed the reunion 392 00:17:45,280 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: last year, and I was like, oh my god, I 393 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:48,640 Speaker 1: feel this way. I feel that way. We were talking 394 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: about being a woman of color, the only woman of color, 395 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: and kind of commiserating in that a little bit, and 396 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:56,280 Speaker 1: that's when I told her there are some things that 397 00:17:56,320 --> 00:17:58,760 Speaker 1: I've seen with these women that make me feel a 398 00:17:58,800 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 1: little weird and that's when I brought up the GENA thing. 399 00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we can talk about We'll talk about the 400 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 2: GENA thing in a bit, but I have to first 401 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:08,399 Speaker 2: get into this a little bit more So. The reason 402 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:13,480 Speaker 2: the naked wasted situation became such a big deal was because, 403 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:18,960 Speaker 2: I mean, from what I was told was that Slade. 404 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 2: I think things are getting a little bit confused. I 405 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,280 Speaker 2: think because if you were told if you say something, 406 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 2: or Matt says something, or Slade something says something, or 407 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: Gretchen says something, it's they're not being tied together. I 408 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,880 Speaker 2: didn't say it, But if Slade says it, Gretchen says it, 409 00:18:36,040 --> 00:18:39,040 Speaker 2: if Matt says it, you said it. I mean, you're 410 00:18:39,080 --> 00:18:39,840 Speaker 2: all at dinner. 411 00:18:39,640 --> 00:18:42,919 Speaker 1: Together, correct, and somebody I think it was that up 412 00:18:42,960 --> 00:18:45,000 Speaker 1: and Adam Guy just said, I have a theory, and 413 00:18:45,080 --> 00:18:47,640 Speaker 1: my theory is that it wasn't Gretchen that said it. 414 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,840 Speaker 1: It was actually Slade. And that's why semantics. No, she 415 00:18:50,960 --> 00:18:53,000 Speaker 1: said it, she said it. It came from her mouth. 416 00:18:53,720 --> 00:18:56,880 Speaker 2: How is there any stretch of the imagination that Jin 417 00:18:56,960 --> 00:18:58,400 Speaker 2: couldn't remember that she said it. 418 00:18:58,440 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 1: She was sitting right next to her. 419 00:19:00,280 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 2: Was she blackout drunk? No? 420 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,000 Speaker 1: I think we were on our first drink, So can 421 00:19:06,040 --> 00:19:07,680 Speaker 1: I just can I paint the picture for you? Yes, 422 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: there was a It was a rectangular table. It was me, 423 00:19:11,520 --> 00:19:16,040 Speaker 1: Matt Ryan on one side. Directly across from me was 424 00:19:16,119 --> 00:19:19,280 Speaker 1: Jen Gretchen Slade. So the guys had one end and 425 00:19:19,320 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: we had one end. Gretchen and Jen are talking, talking, talking. 426 00:19:22,840 --> 00:19:26,959 Speaker 1: I'm basically quiet because they're talking about their hatred of Tamara. 427 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: So I'm just kind of sitting there listening. I have 428 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: a coke in one hand and a Martini in the 429 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:32,679 Speaker 1: other because of our two favorite drinks, so I'm just 430 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,199 Speaker 1: like sipping, sipping, sipping, right, So then I'm listening. Then 431 00:19:35,240 --> 00:19:37,480 Speaker 1: she tells the story and I like elbow Matt, and 432 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,760 Speaker 1: I'm like, listen to this. They told a lot of 433 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 1: stories of things that Tamara had allegedly done to them, 434 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:45,440 Speaker 1: not Jen and Ryan, Gretchen Slade. And this is our 435 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:48,760 Speaker 1: first dinner with Gretchen and Slade. I don't know her, okay. 436 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 1: I've had one lunch with her. I've seen her at 437 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:55,119 Speaker 1: balmaand party. This was end of September, long before she 438 00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,280 Speaker 1: even knew about casting. She knew about casting in December, 439 00:19:57,960 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: so there there. I don't I don't know. They did know, 440 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: and they were setting me up. I don't know whatever. 441 00:20:02,320 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 1: But I'm going in like, okay, I'm just meeting these 442 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,080 Speaker 1: people and they're screaming this from the rooftops in the 443 00:20:07,080 --> 00:20:09,760 Speaker 1: middle of a crowded restaurant and you're just meeting me 444 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,360 Speaker 1: and people are saying, oh, she said, Oh. I told 445 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: her in confidence a friend. I told her, you know 446 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: something that was supposed to be sacred or whatever words 447 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: she used. She never said, Hey, I'm going to share 448 00:20:21,600 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: this with you. Don't tell anybody this is this is bad. 449 00:20:25,480 --> 00:20:27,560 Speaker 1: Bravo is involved. Don't tell anybody. None of that was said. 450 00:20:27,720 --> 00:20:30,360 Speaker 2: What's all this? Nine? When one call me? Nine one? One? 451 00:20:30,400 --> 00:20:32,480 Speaker 2: Thing that happened when you were in New Orleans. 452 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,720 Speaker 1: So, okay, it had come out Tamar had said something 453 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,760 Speaker 1: to her, Hey, Katie's going around saying I roofeed you 454 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:39,880 Speaker 1: number one. I'd like to point out I never used 455 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: that word, because she didn't use that word. She used 456 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,240 Speaker 1: the word drugged, drugged, So I never used that word. 457 00:20:45,760 --> 00:20:49,439 Speaker 1: So I got a call from Matt Katie, what is 458 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,399 Speaker 1: going on? Slade just called me. He said, you have 459 00:20:52,480 --> 00:20:55,000 Speaker 1: to back up, Gretchen tell people she never said it. 460 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,000 Speaker 1: He sent me a nine to one one text. He's 461 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:01,480 Speaker 1: called me repeatedly. I mean that, I say so, Well, 462 00:21:01,600 --> 00:21:05,400 Speaker 1: I mean, this is all he's ever known. This is 463 00:21:05,440 --> 00:21:07,119 Speaker 1: you know, my It's funny. 464 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:09,679 Speaker 2: Yeah, because what he can't get a job for the 465 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 2: last ten years because of He's blaming Tamra for it. 466 00:21:13,720 --> 00:21:17,960 Speaker 1: Yes, but why I have no idea. He has a 467 00:21:18,040 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: daughter and I think he needs to work. Yeah, I 468 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:26,960 Speaker 1: don't know. It's funny. My sister in laws don't watch 469 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 1: the show. Well now they do because of me, but 470 00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:31,000 Speaker 1: they don't. They don't do reality TV. One's a professor 471 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 1: and well actually they're both professors. And they were in 472 00:21:33,359 --> 00:21:35,760 Speaker 1: northern California on a walk in a park, a random park. 473 00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:39,800 Speaker 1: They ran into Slade's mom randomly. They sent Matt this 474 00:21:39,880 --> 00:21:41,960 Speaker 1: text and it was like a photo of them with 475 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:44,800 Speaker 1: his mom and they're like, we ran into Slade's mom 476 00:21:44,880 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: and she's like, he's a narcissist. He's on his fourth 477 00:21:48,160 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 1: Orange County Wife Housewife from the show, And. 478 00:21:52,080 --> 00:21:53,200 Speaker 2: Why am I missing one? 479 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,720 Speaker 1: I know that's what I said, I'm missing one. 480 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 2: Oh he dated Laurie. Oh, so it is for. 481 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 1: And she his mother called him a narcissist. His mother. 482 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: So I'm like, I so I didn't even respond, but 483 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 1: Matt responded like, we know, yeah, okay. 484 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: So you think this is where it's just driving me 485 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,760 Speaker 2: so bananas. I'm gonna just I feel like I'm beating 486 00:22:17,760 --> 00:22:20,239 Speaker 2: a dead horse. But like, as your friend have you 487 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 2: had as like a friend of yours, have you said 488 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:28,040 Speaker 2: to Jen off camera? Why are you pretending you heard nothing? 489 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, sort of after New Orleans we talked a 490 00:22:32,880 --> 00:22:37,080 Speaker 1: little bit, but not really. I was pretty drained from 491 00:22:37,119 --> 00:22:41,199 Speaker 1: that trip. You saw me kind of reach out to 492 00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:44,040 Speaker 1: her at that Lie Detector party. I was like, Jen, 493 00:22:44,680 --> 00:22:46,840 Speaker 1: you know, I meet with her and I try to 494 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: tell her like you've probably seen the clip. The clip 495 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:51,480 Speaker 1: is online a US meeting for coffee and I was like, 496 00:22:51,480 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 1: I'm kind of hurt that you never reached out to 497 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:56,440 Speaker 1: me last night after the Lie Detector party and she 498 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:59,439 Speaker 1: was like, well, I was mad, and I was like, what, 499 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:02,679 Speaker 1: We've talked on the phone about it. We've had exchanges 500 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 1: about it. I called her when Gretchen got cast and 501 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: I said, do you remember this happened? And she was like, here, 502 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:09,639 Speaker 1: talk to Slade because they were in Palm Springs and 503 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: there were some fans around them. Then I text Gretchen, 504 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: I will never bring this up. Okay, I have that receipt. 505 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: I will never bring this up. 506 00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:21,720 Speaker 2: So you text Gretchen, I'll never bring this up. So 507 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: you don't. I don't, you don't. But then when it 508 00:23:25,880 --> 00:23:28,680 Speaker 2: is brought up, that's where you kind of went into 509 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 2: your shell. 510 00:23:29,359 --> 00:23:32,640 Speaker 1: Correct. So I went to that dinner and New Orleans like, Okay, 511 00:23:32,680 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: I got to protect my friend or she's going to 512 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 1: be in trouble and I'm going to be in trouble. 513 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 2: I also heard that Gretchen wasn't great TV on that 514 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:42,720 Speaker 2: episode on that season of that we never saw. 515 00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,240 Speaker 1: Oh, I thought you meant the no tears part of 516 00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 1: my episode. 517 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:54,359 Speaker 2: Was that the gee, no, how did she just have 518 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: her wisdom teeth removed? When you were in New Orleans? 519 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,680 Speaker 2: Like what happened? 520 00:23:57,760 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 1: I think that was the microphone? 521 00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 2: What's going on? Can I set a fish girl? When 522 00:24:03,800 --> 00:24:06,359 Speaker 2: you guys were on the boat not knowing wherever you 523 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:06,679 Speaker 2: are on? 524 00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,359 Speaker 1: Okay, I think it was the microphone because you noticed 525 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: the scene with Tamar when she's telling her, when she's 526 00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:13,520 Speaker 1: like outing me for whatever I allegedly did. Tamar's microphone 527 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: was like that too. 528 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:14,400 Speaker 2: Oh. 529 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:16,240 Speaker 1: I think it was the microphone. 530 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:18,080 Speaker 2: Okay, because I was like what I heard it too? 531 00:24:18,160 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: I was like, cotton balls in your mouth? Is going 532 00:24:20,320 --> 00:24:20,800 Speaker 2: on here? 533 00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,959 Speaker 1: Maybe if she did and she's under amnesia, we'd get 534 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:23,359 Speaker 1: the truth. 535 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,719 Speaker 2: Yes, oh my go Jen needs some cotton balls. 536 00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: A detector test. We have an amnesia party. Oh, let's 537 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:31,600 Speaker 1: have where we all get like drugs and then we 538 00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: come out of it and they ask us questions. 539 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:37,040 Speaker 2: Speaking of amnetia, how does Gretchen forget that she's done 540 00:24:37,080 --> 00:24:39,359 Speaker 2: a lie detector test before with the same guy, with 541 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 2: the same guy, and you know how I feel about 542 00:24:41,840 --> 00:24:42,160 Speaker 2: that guy. 543 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:44,280 Speaker 1: Well, everyone feels the way you feel about that guy. 544 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:47,480 Speaker 2: So just to give you guys the don percent, now, 545 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:52,119 Speaker 2: Gretchen went on with him on Marriage boot Camp. She 546 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,040 Speaker 2: did a lie detector test with him. So when she 547 00:24:54,119 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 2: says she's never taken a lie detector test before, she 548 00:24:57,160 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 2: has been on marriage boot Camp. 549 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:02,040 Speaker 1: But can I tell, are you something funny? Not funny? 550 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:05,280 Speaker 2: In funny but not funny but not funny? 551 00:25:05,359 --> 00:25:08,479 Speaker 1: In that scene Okay, they didn't show this, but in 552 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 1: that scene she was pacing. We were all a little 553 00:25:11,640 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 1: bit nervous. I was this physically sick before. 554 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 2: What was making you physically sick when you heard lie 555 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: detector test. 556 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,119 Speaker 1: No, I got there and I was sick before they 557 00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:23,639 Speaker 1: even announced. People are like, oh, she's sick, she's a liar. No, 558 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: it's because I got into that room of a bunch 559 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,320 Speaker 1: of people that don't like me, walking into a house 560 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,080 Speaker 1: of a woman that hates me. It doesn't feel that 561 00:25:30,080 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 1: great and soon to be kicked out. Correct. She was 562 00:25:33,720 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: pacing back and forth, and she goes, you know, I 563 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,280 Speaker 1: think they've had a lie detector on another housewife show. 564 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: She said that, and I was like, they did. And 565 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:45,879 Speaker 1: then someone else and I honestly can't name who it was, 566 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,120 Speaker 1: I don't remember, said oh, yeah, they did on Beverly Hills. 567 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, that's weird, you know. And 568 00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,920 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there like, oh my god, and I'm just 569 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 1: sipping water. And they showed that in the teaser because 570 00:25:57,720 --> 00:26:00,840 Speaker 1: it makes feel guilty. But I had just three times. 571 00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 2: And so you were sick prior to arriving. It was, 572 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:05,680 Speaker 2: it was prior to finding out those lives. 573 00:26:05,720 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: It wasn't a stomach bug. I was literally so anxious 574 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: about just being. 575 00:26:09,800 --> 00:26:12,400 Speaker 2: There, just being there around people that you didn't feel 576 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:12,959 Speaker 2: comfortable with. 577 00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I was in the car service all the 578 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:16,520 Speaker 1: way down and I was like, forgot to take my 579 00:26:16,520 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: anxiety medicine. I should have turned around and got it. 580 00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,199 Speaker 1: And also, I'm leaving my kids for this. Yeah you know, 581 00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: like that, doesn't you know this? 582 00:26:22,760 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 2: I know? But also we can't say here's the thing, 583 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,680 Speaker 2: I'm going to give you another thing. What I'm leaving 584 00:26:28,680 --> 00:26:30,520 Speaker 2: my kids for this. We all leave our kids for 585 00:26:30,560 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 2: our jobs. Yeah it happened, I know, But you have 586 00:26:33,480 --> 00:26:36,120 Speaker 2: to also say, like I signed up to do this, 587 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:37,879 Speaker 2: I'm here to do this, and that's why I went. 588 00:26:38,400 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 2: And but this is where you got to fight for 589 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 2: yourself a little bit. When people are doing you wrong. 590 00:26:43,280 --> 00:26:46,200 Speaker 2: You have to stand up for yourself, like not to Jen. 591 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,159 Speaker 2: Did you hear that? No, it's I want you to 592 00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,720 Speaker 2: go into the reunion and be like, Jen, there isn't 593 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:58,080 Speaker 2: a glimmer of hope that I forgot that you heard 594 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,760 Speaker 2: this conversation, Like you need to hold her feet to 595 00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:01,160 Speaker 2: the fire. 596 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,000 Speaker 1: Well, now, looking back, when I did call her in 597 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:05,680 Speaker 1: Palm Springs and she hot potato the phone to Ryan, yeah, 598 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:07,960 Speaker 1: I think she was like, oh shit, does. 599 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 2: He do all her dirty work? 600 00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:10,360 Speaker 1: I don't know the answer to that. 601 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:14,600 Speaker 2: You don't know that. You're good at You're good at avoiding. 602 00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:17,040 Speaker 1: The question, what are you talking about? 603 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 2: I don't know my first day on the job here, detective. 604 00:27:21,920 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: I think slave does for a fact. I know that 605 00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 1: for a fact, But I don't know truly. I don't 606 00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,199 Speaker 1: know about Ryan. No, he's always been really nice to me. 607 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 1: But I don't know why both of them aren't, like 608 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: you know what they kind of did slip up and 609 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 1: see them, yeah. 610 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:49,800 Speaker 2: You know. Kiki also brought up Gina, asking if you 611 00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:53,320 Speaker 2: were wearing Asian designers, why did you not make it 612 00:27:53,400 --> 00:27:57,040 Speaker 2: a bigger deal last season or this season? Like you 613 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:01,119 Speaker 2: kind of we only can kind of men it to Jen. 614 00:28:01,760 --> 00:28:04,119 Speaker 2: Correct off the side while you guys are on the bikes. 615 00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:05,679 Speaker 1: Correct that was last season? 616 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:06,800 Speaker 2: Oh that was last season. 617 00:28:09,080 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: Again. I was in the frame of mind, I need 618 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:14,680 Speaker 1: to repair my relationships, and if I were to address 619 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,720 Speaker 1: that with Gina when she already hates me because of Emily, 620 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: you think that that would have repaired a relationship, that 621 00:28:19,119 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: would have just brought us way backwards. So I didn't 622 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,639 Speaker 1: bring it up. It is. It was very hurtful. Again, 623 00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:28,960 Speaker 1: I said this yesterday. I am not looking to Gina 624 00:28:29,000 --> 00:28:32,040 Speaker 1: for advice on how to be Asian or how Asian 625 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:34,959 Speaker 1: I need to be. So I'm going to do that 626 00:28:35,000 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: on my I. 627 00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,080 Speaker 2: Could give you your roses there. That's probably a good. 628 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 1: Idea, Okay, So I'm just gonna I'm going to do 629 00:28:41,040 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 1: that on my own. 630 00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:45,360 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, Or how to dress or how to make tiktoks? 631 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 2: Should you ask her or Gretchen and Jen how to 632 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:49,960 Speaker 2: make tiktoks? 633 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: Well, they just copied it, So no, I literally, I 634 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:57,680 Speaker 1: literally just wanted to highlight Asian brands. I said that 635 00:28:57,720 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: to my stylist, I said that to Matt, I said 636 00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:02,080 Speaker 1: that to all my friends. Because I'm the first Asian 637 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:05,040 Speaker 1: on Orange County. Why wouldn't I do that. I never 638 00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 1: said it's going to be exclusive. You know, I do 639 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: wear Zara and stuff, like it's not Asian. 640 00:29:10,480 --> 00:29:14,360 Speaker 2: But I feel like you said Balenciaga, like they panned 641 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,400 Speaker 2: to that, Like I'm like, yeah, of course that's what. 642 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:19,680 Speaker 2: And the difference between first season and second season is 643 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:20,400 Speaker 2: very different. 644 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 1: Yeah. 645 00:29:21,880 --> 00:29:23,920 Speaker 2: I mean my first season, I remember having a pair 646 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,800 Speaker 2: of wedges on like super high and like booty shorts 647 00:29:26,880 --> 00:29:30,520 Speaker 2: and like going into Kyle's stone. Probably it was it's 648 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 2: what got me the. 649 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:32,960 Speaker 1: Job that Booty. 650 00:29:34,200 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 2: Your stylist did a TikTok to defend you. Can you 651 00:29:37,520 --> 00:29:38,840 Speaker 2: can you go into this a little bit? 652 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, So they were really offended because Gina said, these 653 00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: two fucking stylists, and they were like, she doesn't realize 654 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:47,640 Speaker 1: that more than half of my looks are either an 655 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: Asian designer or an Asian creative director. And if you look, 656 00:29:52,440 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: a lot of my jewelry are Korean owned brands. I 657 00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:58,800 Speaker 1: just don't say it. Hi, this is Korean my necklace. 658 00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: Do you want to see it? Yeah? I don't. 659 00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,239 Speaker 2: I don't you know, No, you just want to promote it. 660 00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:08,160 Speaker 1: You it's correct, Yeah, I don't. They did a TikTok 661 00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 1: showing some of the looks that are some of our 662 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: favorites from last season and a few from this season, 663 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: proving that or Ve Lazier creative director is Michelle Ox, 664 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: which is also at Ox, which was my gallery shoot 665 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: Silver Dress. She's Filipino, Like, we we have to get 666 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: past this. Oh it's not called you know, Katie, you 667 00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:34,320 Speaker 1: and it's you know, like it's so, I don't know 668 00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:38,520 Speaker 1: what to tell you, but it's literally an Asian creative director. 669 00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 1: I'm I am highlighting in the industry, and. 670 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 2: You're well versed and you're passionate and you're doing what 671 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 2: you love. Yeah, but I also don't want to be, 672 00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:51,880 Speaker 2: you know, sitting here trying to kiss your butt and 673 00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:53,680 Speaker 2: all the things I know. 674 00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 1: Keep going. 675 00:30:57,640 --> 00:30:59,959 Speaker 2: Do you think the lie to test detective party will 676 00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: a setup? 677 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,760 Speaker 1: One hundred percent? I felt that way when I was 678 00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:06,440 Speaker 1: there and when I was leaving, I was very upset, 679 00:31:07,040 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: but I didn't know I can't prove it. And then 680 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,760 Speaker 1: watching it back when they were like, oh, we have 681 00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 1: a plan and we got Katie. Don't worry about we 682 00:31:14,280 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: got her. 683 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:18,080 Speaker 2: And nobody seemed to care what everybody else was lying about. 684 00:31:18,280 --> 00:31:20,800 Speaker 1: No, it was all about me. That's how it kind 685 00:31:20,800 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: of shows you. In the moment, I couldn't have put 686 00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,280 Speaker 1: two and two together. I was like, you know, it 687 00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,440 Speaker 1: was all happening fast. But looking back thirty thousand feet 688 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: and now watching, wow. 689 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:35,640 Speaker 2: Yeah it was a setup. It was a setup. And 690 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:40,960 Speaker 2: I can say from personal memory, a lie detector test 691 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:45,840 Speaker 2: isn't actually valid unless it's skinned to skin. I think 692 00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:46,920 Speaker 2: we google this. 693 00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:49,040 Speaker 1: A lot of people have said that to me. Also, 694 00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,920 Speaker 1: light detector tests take like four to six hours per 695 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: person in a controlled environment, not in Emily's closet. 696 00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 2: You know that not a controlled environment. 697 00:31:59,320 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: And also the lie detector administrator needs to be certified 698 00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: within California to legally do it, and allegedly those two 699 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:11,520 Speaker 1: people are not certified. Yeah, they have no certification. 700 00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:15,800 Speaker 2: They're they're paid actors. On their allegedly. 701 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:18,640 Speaker 1: Allegedly on their website, it says like a B and 702 00:32:18,680 --> 00:32:21,400 Speaker 1: C a menu list of what you can get for money, 703 00:32:21,680 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: and one of the options is full acting. 704 00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,120 Speaker 2: I made this fight before, and I've got no war. 705 00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: With I'm backing you up. You are vindicated, Thank you, 706 00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:34,840 Speaker 1: You're vindicated. 707 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,640 Speaker 2: Okay, Then we got to talk about the Big Cast trip. 708 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,880 Speaker 2: Were you put on pause or why weren't you there? 709 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: I mean, I think you just have to watch and see. 710 00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,480 Speaker 1: But I did want to go on that trip. 711 00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:51,880 Speaker 2: You did want to You would have gone, Yes, you 712 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,520 Speaker 2: would have gone, Okay, gone, that's good to know. If 713 00:32:54,520 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 2: you return. What's the first conversation that has to happen. 714 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: Well, I think all those conversations are going to happen 715 00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 1: at the reunion, right. I think I'm owed some apologies. 716 00:33:06,600 --> 00:33:09,120 Speaker 1: I was really hurt. I felt used. I feel like 717 00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: that was a setup. Yeah, I don't know. I need 718 00:33:13,560 --> 00:33:14,840 Speaker 1: to see how the reunion goes. 719 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,920 Speaker 2: Can we promise to never say your truth again? 720 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: I didn't choose that. 721 00:33:22,040 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: I know you didn't choose it, but you have said, like, well, 722 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 2: that is my truth. 723 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:27,840 Speaker 1: I have never said that is my truth. That Jen 724 00:33:27,880 --> 00:33:32,200 Speaker 1: Ponti said, Oh that I have never said that. Okay, Well, 725 00:33:32,280 --> 00:33:35,120 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say never never never never say. 726 00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:39,000 Speaker 2: Speaking out Hello. I also, I just want. 727 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:42,200 Speaker 1: To want to don't say my truth because that sounds 728 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:42,840 Speaker 1: like it's a lie. 729 00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, it does it. It is my tagline, it is 730 00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: your My tagline is was I'll never do your dirty work. 731 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:55,120 Speaker 2: Meanwhile I was doing everyone's dirty work. So a professional 732 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:58,160 Speaker 2: of tagline. I know there's like five or six taglines, 733 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,120 Speaker 2: and then you kind of say the ones that you're 734 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:00,840 Speaker 2: comfortable saying. 735 00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:03,600 Speaker 1: And then I wanted to write some fun ones, but 736 00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,320 Speaker 1: I don't. I didn't get to write any of them. 737 00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 2: But you didn't get picked. Did any of them get picked? 738 00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:09,560 Speaker 1: No, I didn't get to write any. 739 00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: Oh I wrote some, but none of them are ever used. Well, Rat, 740 00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 2: what are your thoughts on the fact that Gina said 741 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:19,880 Speaker 2: in an interview that if you come back, she won't. 742 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,359 Speaker 1: I think it's very sad and I don't think I'm 743 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: that scary. 744 00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 2: I think, do you think it's true? Let's let's be blunt. 745 00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 2: You think that's the truth. No, no, me neither. 746 00:34:32,880 --> 00:34:33,760 Speaker 1: I don't think it's the truth. 747 00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,520 Speaker 2: So don't speak in absolute Gina. 748 00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: I know, honestly, I've seen them say like I'm the 749 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:46,879 Speaker 1: Monica Garcia moment of the season. What no, what? There 750 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: was no, there was none of that. I don't think 751 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:53,840 Speaker 1: I'm that scary or horrible to be around. I really don't. 752 00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,520 Speaker 2: I think you just need a friend, a real friend. 753 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:00,799 Speaker 2: You need a real friend. And all this showed me 754 00:35:00,920 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 2: was that Jen and Gina both are easily is it pliable? 755 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:07,520 Speaker 2: Is that the word? 756 00:35:08,000 --> 00:35:11,759 Speaker 1: But but Teddy, don't you think that the housewife I'm 757 00:35:11,800 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: not going to say game, but game is deflection, Like, 758 00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:17,880 Speaker 1: of course it's deflection. 759 00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:21,560 Speaker 2: Okay, But but then if you in these moments, if 760 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,680 Speaker 2: you're getting if you're getting hammered, and there is a 761 00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,760 Speaker 2: percentage of a chance, that's where you could have said, like, yeah, 762 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:30,879 Speaker 2: I do gossip with Kiki Monique all the time. 763 00:35:31,320 --> 00:35:32,200 Speaker 1: What was leave time? 764 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,719 Speaker 2: All right? One time time I gossiped with Kiki Monique once. 765 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:41,000 Speaker 1: Yeah I did gossip. I did, But I did say 766 00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: we went to lunch, right. 767 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,240 Speaker 2: But end of sentence, okay, and then people can take 768 00:35:46,280 --> 00:35:49,439 Speaker 2: that with with what they want, okay, and then you 769 00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 2: then you're able to move on. But if you're if 770 00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,919 Speaker 2: you're swearing on your life, if you're doing this, you're 771 00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:56,239 Speaker 2: doing all these things, then people don't believe you. 772 00:35:56,520 --> 00:35:56,840 Speaker 1: Okay. 773 00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:00,359 Speaker 2: But yeah, of course, yeah, I love Kiki Monique. She's hilarious. Yeah. 774 00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,359 Speaker 2: I saw at a couple of parties and we went 775 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:03,880 Speaker 2: out to lunch once and gossiped. 776 00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:04,799 Speaker 1: We did. 777 00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 2: Yeah the end are you lying there? No, No, I'm 778 00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:12,200 Speaker 2: not a lie detector, but like there's nothing. 779 00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:19,360 Speaker 1: You are good. Actually we need you instead anyway. 780 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:21,600 Speaker 2: That should be my new job, add to my resume. 781 00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:25,440 Speaker 2: So in our final question, if you were to guess 782 00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:28,600 Speaker 2: what the seating arrangement would be at the union, what 783 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:29,399 Speaker 2: do you think it would be? 784 00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:38,400 Speaker 1: Probably me and then everyone else quite literally next to me. 785 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,480 Speaker 2: Who's who's on one side of the couch? 786 00:36:41,080 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: Everybody but me? 787 00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:45,040 Speaker 2: No, you can't. You have to. This is we have 788 00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 2: to do. Legists. Let's break it down. 789 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 1: I really think that on one side, I'm not saying 790 00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,239 Speaker 1: this is in no particular order. I think on one 791 00:36:52,280 --> 00:36:55,319 Speaker 1: side it would probably be me, Heather and Tamera and 792 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:58,520 Speaker 1: the other side everyone else. That's what I think. I mean, Tamor, 793 00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,000 Speaker 1: I mean, Heather doesn't like me, but she is dear 794 00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:03,399 Speaker 1: friends with Tamra. Yeah, you know, but. 795 00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,440 Speaker 2: I think Heather could like you. I think that because 796 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,960 Speaker 2: I think you're likable in person. 797 00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:12,759 Speaker 1: What do you try to say? Was that a dig? 798 00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 1: It's a little bit of a dig. That is not 799 00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:16,720 Speaker 1: very nice. 800 00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:18,319 Speaker 2: I know, but I met you in person, so I 801 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 2: already liked you. 802 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. I will say I really appreciate when 803 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: I did see you at that same US Weekly party. 804 00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:26,959 Speaker 2: Yeah for Kyle, the one that Kyle was on the cover. 805 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: Yes, you were very kind. You knew that the reunion 806 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: was really difficult for me, and I do appreciate that. 807 00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: I think you made me cry because that was I 808 00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,399 Speaker 1: just I was on the heels of filming that and 809 00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:40,279 Speaker 1: I was very emotional, and you made me feel really good. 810 00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 2: I think that's the thing. No, But like I met 811 00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:44,680 Speaker 2: you and I was like, this is a likable person. 812 00:37:45,080 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: I think the problem is if there's too many cooks 813 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:50,319 Speaker 2: in the kitchen. I agree, then it's hard. And I 814 00:37:50,360 --> 00:37:54,120 Speaker 2: think that because you are new, you're not fighting for yourself. 815 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:56,680 Speaker 1: I do need to fight more for myself, but I 816 00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:58,839 Speaker 1: and I also feel like I need time to show 817 00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:01,919 Speaker 1: who I am. I don't think anyone. Everyone just thinks 818 00:38:01,920 --> 00:38:04,120 Speaker 1: I'm a shitster that actually don't know anything about me. 819 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:05,960 Speaker 1: People have messaged me like, I want to see more 820 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:07,160 Speaker 1: of your home life. I want to see more of 821 00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 1: you and your daughter. 822 00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I want to understand you a little bit 823 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:11,239 Speaker 2: more so than I can judge you. 824 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:18,839 Speaker 1: Better make digs. You want to make more digs? Teddy Godly, Yeah, right, 825 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: this is what it is. 826 00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 2: There's been rumblings that Shannon isn't going to be asked 827 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,440 Speaker 2: back as a full time housewife. 828 00:38:28,040 --> 00:38:30,799 Speaker 1: I don't know, but she did tell me once and 829 00:38:30,960 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: recently said in an interview, I think that her daughters 830 00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,360 Speaker 1: are in New York City and she wants to be 831 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:36,120 Speaker 1: and her her daughters. 832 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,919 Speaker 2: Oh well, maybe that's it. I don't know, Maybe that's it. 833 00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: I mean, if my kids moved across the country, I 834 00:38:42,080 --> 00:38:45,600 Speaker 1: would go, yeah, yeah, I would stalk them and follow them. 835 00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:48,640 Speaker 2: Well, I really appreciate you coming on the twats. You 836 00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 2: can see we're nice and twatty, but you know, and. 837 00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 1: Maybe you can change Erica's mind because I saw the clips. 838 00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:54,600 Speaker 1: She said she didn't want to know me. 839 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: Yea, she said she didn't want to be your friend. 840 00:38:57,200 --> 00:38:57,600 Speaker 2: I know that. 841 00:38:58,880 --> 00:38:59,920 Speaker 1: Talk about a dagger. 842 00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:01,600 Speaker 2: You know what. She didn't want to be my friend 843 00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 2: for two years and now she's one of my best friends. 844 00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:05,960 Speaker 2: So you know, there's there's home shame. 845 00:39:06,080 --> 00:39:08,800 Speaker 1: Oh my god, she's my muse of like fashion. I 846 00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,440 Speaker 1: look at her and I'm like, can I be Erica 847 00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:11,680 Speaker 1: Jane one day? 848 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:13,919 Speaker 2: She's lovely. You would love her, and once you meet 849 00:39:13,920 --> 00:39:16,880 Speaker 2: in person, you will, Okay. I think it's hard to 850 00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,480 Speaker 2: judge people solely off of what you see on television. 851 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:23,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree, and I did. I can I just 852 00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,280 Speaker 1: say really quick, I first met you last year filming 853 00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,200 Speaker 1: that Traders party, and I was a little scared of you. 854 00:39:29,200 --> 00:39:32,040 Speaker 1: You were to meet you because you you are a 855 00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,839 Speaker 1: very strong personality, and what I remembered of you being 856 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: on Beverly Hills, I was like, oh fuck, she's gonna 857 00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:39,640 Speaker 1: hate me her. And then I met you and I 858 00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,200 Speaker 1: was like, first of all, you're stunning in person. I 859 00:39:42,200 --> 00:39:43,560 Speaker 1: think I told you. I was like, tod you, why 860 00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,279 Speaker 1: are you so hot? And then I was like she's 861 00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: so nice? 862 00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:47,000 Speaker 2: Oh thank you? 863 00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,439 Speaker 1: Were so normal and nice, and I was like, Okay, 864 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:48,960 Speaker 1: there's nothing to. 865 00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:49,360 Speaker 2: Be scared of. 866 00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:50,399 Speaker 1: She was actually really great. 867 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:53,319 Speaker 2: I think that's that what ends up happening a lot 868 00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 2: of the time. You it's like people thinking, you know, oh, 869 00:39:57,920 --> 00:39:59,880 Speaker 2: people always you're still I bet you're. 870 00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,160 Speaker 1: Tall, and I'm like, I did think you were taller. 871 00:40:02,280 --> 00:40:04,440 Speaker 1: People always think I'm tall and then they meet me 872 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:05,760 Speaker 1: and they're like, and you're a tramp. 873 00:40:05,840 --> 00:40:10,080 Speaker 2: I know. Yeah, so it's I'm like, you're towering over me. 874 00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 2: So but yeah, you guys. Thank you guys for tuning 875 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:15,919 Speaker 2: in for another episode of to Teas in a Pod. 876 00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 2: I hope that you listen to this podcast and that 877 00:40:18,520 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: you listen with open ears, actually listen to it, listen 878 00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,920 Speaker 2: to the facts, and so that way we can go 879 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,879 Speaker 2: into the reunion and have some fun fun. You gotta 880 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 2: make it fun. 881 00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:31,319 Speaker 1: What part of it is fun? 882 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:34,960 Speaker 2: Listen you need it's not read. 883 00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,520 Speaker 1: Something I am from Atlanta. It's not that I don't 884 00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,279 Speaker 1: know how okay, because what goes on up here, I. 885 00:40:42,200 --> 00:40:45,040 Speaker 2: Know I can see you processing and then not saying 886 00:40:45,040 --> 00:40:47,920 Speaker 2: what you're actually thinking. I'm scared. I did the same thing, 887 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,840 Speaker 2: and I regret it. I'm telling you. 888 00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,280 Speaker 1: But okay, I have a re recording. Is think about 889 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:57,000 Speaker 1: what my history, my work history is. I work in golf. 890 00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,120 Speaker 1: You think we're like, yeah, I had a bitch and golf. No, 891 00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:04,640 Speaker 1: we're very much like great to meet you, right, So 892 00:41:04,719 --> 00:41:07,440 Speaker 1: it's nice I am switching gears up here, do you 893 00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: know what I mean? 894 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:10,520 Speaker 2: I know, but just that first gear that kicks in, 895 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:12,040 Speaker 2: that's the one I want you to go with at 896 00:41:12,080 --> 00:41:16,080 Speaker 2: the reunions deal. 897 00:41:16,800 --> 00:41:18,640 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it in my mind, this is for Teddy, 898 00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,600 Speaker 1: all right, Thanks guys, Hi