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Speaker 1: NFL Players Second Acts Podcast.

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Speaker 2: Thanks for tuning in.

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Speaker 1: I'm Peanut tuning and this is the NFL Players Second

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Speaker 1: Acts Podcast. And with me as always my trusted late

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Speaker 1: sidekick Roman, I'm never on Tom Harper.

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Speaker 2: What's up baby?

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Speaker 1: They didn't even know, they don't know they do now

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Speaker 1: you know this is recorded so like they don't understand

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Speaker 1: timing because we when we release it like that's it.

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Speaker 2: But thank you for that.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, all of our listeners, our viewers out there, first

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Speaker 2: Who's our guest today? We got a good one. He

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Speaker 2: was is my favorite.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, this is do you want to.

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Speaker 2: J Will?

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Speaker 1: This is this is your people, This is completely my people.

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Speaker 1: This is my suggested guest. This is my man, my

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Speaker 1: ace boom coon since day one. He knows it. He

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Speaker 1: I will get emotional at some point during this podcast

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Speaker 1: because this is how much this guy means to me.

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Speaker 1: He was a seventh round pick, fourth from last in

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Speaker 1: two thousand and six by the New Orleans Saints out

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Speaker 1: of Hostra, the last player drafted out of Hofstra. Wow,

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Speaker 1: the last one because unfortunately they shut down the program.

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Speaker 1: But this neither here nor there all right. In fact,

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Speaker 1: he was an outer said that he's the last one,

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Speaker 1: but he wanted to have a productive tenure career all

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Speaker 1: with the Saints. He won a super Bowl with with

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Speaker 1: yours truly, which I don't like to bring up because

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Speaker 1: Peanut gets all his feelings hurt all the time we

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Speaker 1: talk about super Bowls around here.

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Speaker 2: Just reading.

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Speaker 1: Also all time leader and receptions, touchdowns and yards. He's

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Speaker 1: also in the team's hall of fame with you now, yes,

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Speaker 1: with me. He's now an entrepreneur, an educator, philanthropists, etc. Etcetera, etcetera,

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Speaker 1: financial advising, the whole nine, you name it.

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Speaker 2: He's done it.

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Speaker 1: Marcus Colston, everybody, and he's.

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Speaker 2: Used to be just saying col.

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Speaker 1: Because that's what they were staying in the super dume

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Speaker 1: for all those years. Coast Man, So good seeing you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for coming over. Thanks for being patiently waiting

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Speaker 1: on me. You know I'm gonna wait on you, man.

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Speaker 1: I just appreciate being here with y'all. Man been following

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Speaker 1: this this podcast for a minute, so.

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Speaker 2: Man give him. He's late.

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Speaker 1: He was supposed to been here like hours ago, am

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Speaker 1: I line, you're not so for those listening and or watching,

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Speaker 1: room double booked. So he had to go back home

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Speaker 1: to Charlotte. We're in New York right now. See, he

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Speaker 1: He went back last night. He did this appearance that

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Speaker 1: Uh no, I was at Myers Park Presbyterian Church. Okay,

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Speaker 1: I actually had to run here get out of my

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Speaker 1: uber because the lea. So I don't sweat. Everybody knows

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Speaker 1: that about me. If you please, just cry, I do cry,

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Speaker 2: Uh, you know, do you want to tell the story

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Speaker 2: if you want to go there? No, I want you

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Speaker 2: Rome was like, what what do you do?

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Speaker 1: Colson, he would never do that.

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Speaker 2: That's not him. He would he wouldn't do it. What

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Speaker 2: I just and I was like, I was like, Peter,

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Speaker 1: It was clearly, you know, like I am living, Like

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Speaker 1: I am just like who And I'm like that mother.

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Speaker 2: I thought I'm a man first, I'm a football player.

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: He was like, I'm just in a bad place right now. Things,

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Speaker 4: In a bit of a nutshell, you see, that moment

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Speaker 1: That moment let us so when we knew you were

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Speaker 2: But I knew you had called.

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Speaker 1: that's my bad. So I knew there wouldn't like be

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Speaker 1: We need to get it out of the Tell everybody

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Speaker 1: what happened in your eyes.

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Speaker 4: See it's it's one of them classic it wasn't you,

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Speaker 4: it's me.

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Speaker 2: Breakups.

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Speaker 4: It was just fifteen was my last year, and it

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Speaker 4: and I'm just like, I'm halfway pissed off because I

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Speaker 4: Now I'm a blocker, I'm leaving, I'm leading on duo plays,

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Speaker 4: I was just in a different place mentally, and yeah,

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Speaker 1: It was honestly, it was hilarious and you got to

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Speaker 1: I played against Coaston all so many times in practice

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Speaker 1: I think I I went to pick up an War

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Speaker 4: Now this this is way back we early twenties, So

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Speaker 4: I gotta give you some grace, thank you, But you

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Speaker 4: got clean up after yourself, Thog. You can't just be

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Speaker 2: I mean I came over. We were gonna go out,

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Speaker 3: Phillips at the time, another fellow rookie man and.

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Speaker 4: Y y'all come kick it leading beer Cans leave, I

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Speaker 4: got clean up.

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Speaker 3: You go kind of guess you're that person. I am

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Speaker 4: It's that growth, man.

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Speaker 2: You have grown, You have grown. So two thousand, what

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Speaker 2: was your what was your year?

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Speaker 4: Six?

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Speaker 1: We came together six terrible draft class anyway, so o

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean that's at that point I was. I

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Speaker 4: Because at the combine and there were a handful of

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Speaker 1: Yeah, not the way CJ used to yell at you

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Speaker 3: So but.

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Speaker 4: What was the question? Oh? Yeah, no, So I kind

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Speaker 1: And where were you Where were you thinking originally where

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Speaker 4: I heard anywhere between second round and free agent. That's

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Speaker 4: I was pretty cool with that. I had a guy

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Speaker 4: You're gonna be going pretty early on day On day two,

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Speaker 4: Oh whoy he tell you that? So that sex the

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Speaker 4: this source of yah, I hope you fired him.

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Speaker 2: You know you're gonna work for Google or something. You

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Speaker 1: I'm not paying you for no inside expects.

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Speaker 4: Get killed killed the whole day because the draft started. Now,

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Speaker 4: Everything, everything, everything. So once the expectation got set, and

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Speaker 1: That's a real long day. So I know, I remember

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Speaker 2: Yo, that's gonna be so tight.

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Speaker 1: So for me, I think at that point, I played

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Speaker 3: Was it just like like oh, hell yeah, I made it,

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Speaker 4: Don't mess it up, don't mess it up, don't.

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Speaker 1: It's so funny because I totally see that out of you,

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Speaker 3: It was hot.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Practice was truly a.

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Speaker 1: Grind, and I knew you were going to be really

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Speaker 4: you kill it, like oh I might, I might not

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00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:35,679
Speaker 4: get this one back. So my whole mentality was I

442
00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:37,879
Speaker 4: have this opportunity. I'm just gonna make the most of

443
00:20:37,920 --> 00:20:41,560
Speaker 4: this opportunity. And I had a position Coach CJ that

444
00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:45,080
Speaker 4: was he was just he was He was exactly what

445
00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:47,520
Speaker 4: I needed at that time. Like he was a guy

446
00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,120
Speaker 4: that you knew he loved you, but it was tough love.

447
00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:56,040
Speaker 1: Like he pushed you, he pushed, he pushed, he motivated you.

448
00:20:56,040 --> 00:20:58,640
Speaker 4: He pushed you off, he pissed off, he pushed you,

449
00:20:58,960 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 4: he challenged you, but then on game that he left

450
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:05,840
Speaker 4: you alone. Yeah, so like throughout the week you wanted

451
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 4: to fight him, but then on game day he was

452
00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,400
Speaker 4: your guy. And that's kind of how our relationship evolved.

453
00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 4: So the combination of me not ever feeling safe and

454
00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:18,720
Speaker 4: then having that guy that literally pulled things out of

455
00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:21,879
Speaker 4: me I didn't know existed, Like that's that's kind of

456
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,320
Speaker 4: what made it. That's kind of what made the situation

457
00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,239
Speaker 4: what it was. And in all honestly, I was I

458
00:21:28,320 --> 00:21:32,920
Speaker 4: was literally learning really in every situation. So as an example,

459
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:37,840
Speaker 4: I played most most of my career, I played slot

460
00:21:37,840 --> 00:21:41,119
Speaker 4: receiver until I got to the league. I never played

461
00:21:41,160 --> 00:21:45,119
Speaker 4: in the slot right in a game, not in high school,

462
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:48,800
Speaker 4: not in college. So I'm literally learning a new position

463
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:51,719
Speaker 4: at the highest level. So there was never a lot

464
00:21:51,760 --> 00:21:53,760
Speaker 4: of time for me to process what was happening. Like

465
00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,919
Speaker 4: I always had to stay present to not mess up

466
00:21:56,960 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 4: the next the next moment, the next opportunity. That's kind

467
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 4: of that was my mentality.

468
00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,680
Speaker 1: Are you ever like disappointed or mad that you never

469
00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,560
Speaker 1: made an All Pro team or Pro Bowl? You put

470
00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 1: up you're the all time leading Saints receiver yards or

471
00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:12,280
Speaker 1: is it are you more mad.

472
00:22:12,080 --> 00:22:15,560
Speaker 4: That you didn't get the ten thousand the ten thousands

473
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:16,560
Speaker 4: stung a little bit more?

474
00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:18,119
Speaker 2: You're right there at it.

475
00:22:18,160 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 4: I was right there at it, And there was two.

476
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:21,640
Speaker 3: Games that's a personal note.

477
00:22:21,680 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 4: I knew, Yeah, there was two games at the end

478
00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,600
Speaker 4: of at the end of my last season where I

479
00:22:26,680 --> 00:22:29,320
Speaker 4: was hurt, and you know me, I prided myself on

480
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 4: never being hurt enough to not play true. Like so,

481
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:35,840
Speaker 4: the fact that I couldn't go out for the last

482
00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:37,760
Speaker 4: two games and I knew I was two hundred and

483
00:22:37,760 --> 00:22:40,760
Speaker 4: forty one yards short of ten thousand, that's stung a

484
00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:44,399
Speaker 4: little bit. But like the Pro Bowl and all Pro stuff,

485
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 4: I've just never really been concerned about other people's opinions. Yeah,

486
00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:53,040
Speaker 4: you know, and that's that's really what those things become.

487
00:22:53,080 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 4: They become opinions about what people feel about your game. So,

488
00:22:57,880 --> 00:23:00,879
Speaker 4: you know, it never really either me. The thing that

489
00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,600
Speaker 4: I always played for was that my peers and my

490
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,040
Speaker 4: competitors they respected me, and if I felt that I

491
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,080
Speaker 4: was good, I don't care about the outside validation.

492
00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:11,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what's up.

493
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:15,480
Speaker 1: So I know I'm zero and two in Super Bowls,

494
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:19,440
Speaker 1: you're one and one, You're one and Oh what's been

495
00:23:19,480 --> 00:23:22,280
Speaker 1: your fondest memory about Super Bowl forty four?

496
00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,480
Speaker 4: The one that pops in my mind is not very fond.

497
00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 4: I had a ball bounce off my face. Matter it was,

498
00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,160
Speaker 4: I thought we were tried on the whole crowd. Nobody

499
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,439
Speaker 4: was in five ten yards of me.

500
00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, touchdown, it would have been touched on it first down.

501
00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 4: It had been a good twenty five thirty. That's the

502
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 4: first memory that pops in my head.

503
00:23:44,720 --> 00:23:46,920
Speaker 2: No concentration, just didn't see it, or.

504
00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 4: I knew I had room to do something after the catch.

505
00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,920
Speaker 4: I knew I have room to just start taking about

506
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:58,080
Speaker 4: what before you actually got in your hand yep, yeah,

507
00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 4: and uh yeah that thing I saw my face mask

508
00:24:00,880 --> 00:24:03,440
Speaker 4: and popped up in the air, looky new white board.

509
00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:04,880
Speaker 4: That was the scaredest I have ever been in the game.

510
00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,400
Speaker 1: But that's crazy to think that's the first memory, though,

511
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:10,480
Speaker 1: because I'm sure everyone's like, oh, you want a super Bowl?

512
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: What's the best thing. What's the first thing that pops

513
00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:15,159
Speaker 1: in my mind? Like, I dropped this damn pass. I

514
00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 1: gave a.

515
00:24:15,680 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 2: First drive, first drive, first drive, boom boom.

516
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,880
Speaker 1: We come out hits Coaston dead smack in the face

517
00:24:21,880 --> 00:24:26,600
Speaker 1: mask and we Coaston never drops anything, catches everything, and

518
00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:27,800
Speaker 1: he was wide open.

519
00:24:27,680 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 4: Wide open. That might have been it. I'm not used

520
00:24:29,960 --> 00:24:30,800
Speaker 4: to being that wide open.

521
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 2: Is that the only memory you got from that whole game?

522
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,199
Speaker 4: No, I mean there's obviously other memories. You know, I

523
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 4: called a I caught a A. It was like a

524
00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:43,680
Speaker 4: slug O. I forget what we called a sluggle stop

525
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,879
Speaker 4: that I caught on the sideline, real nice catch, like

526
00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,640
Speaker 4: full extension. That's that. That was a good one. Didn't

527
00:24:50,680 --> 00:24:54,240
Speaker 4: do a whole lot in the second half. But yeah,

528
00:24:54,280 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 4: I mean, just for whatever reason, my mind goes to

529
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,600
Speaker 4: the things I could have done differently, and that's that's

530
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,879
Speaker 4: just not in football. That's just kind of how I'm wired,

531
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:05,879
Speaker 4: you know. So that's where I go. You know.

532
00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 1: I will tell this one quick story. The funniest memory

533
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,359
Speaker 1: I have of Colston playing football is literally when he

534
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,000
Speaker 1: did like I don't know what he was thinking. We're

535
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: playing in Saint Louis and he catches a pass and

536
00:25:20,320 --> 00:25:22,440
Speaker 1: Coaston is like, all of a sudden, he's running. Coaston

537
00:25:22,480 --> 00:25:24,399
Speaker 1: never was like all right, he was one of those

538
00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: like he's not a yack guy.

539
00:25:26,200 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 3: This is this is my line? Are you a yack?

540
00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,200
Speaker 1: Pretty accurate? He's not a yards after catch? Do you

541
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:36,879
Speaker 1: gotta tell the people don't like, I don't know what

542
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: what's a Yeah, I don't know what it is. This

543
00:25:39,400 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 1: is not his life, this is not his like superpower.

544
00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: All right, He's running and out of nowhere. Colston tries

545
00:25:46,640 --> 00:25:49,000
Speaker 1: to do the whole like Reggie busting and like jump

546
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:51,199
Speaker 1: over somebody for a touchdown.

547
00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,240
Speaker 2: I don't know, I don't know where he thought he

548
00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:53,640
Speaker 2: was going.

549
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,399
Speaker 4: All of a sudden, I was clearly about to jump

550
00:25:57,800 --> 00:26:01,040
Speaker 4: clean over a six foot dude. Yeah, who was standing stage?

551
00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:01,639
Speaker 4: Like straight up?

552
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what you were thinking, dude.

553
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:09,280
Speaker 1: Coaston gets hit, flips ball just like just gave it up,

554
00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:10,320
Speaker 1: balls up in the air.

555
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 3: Colston hit the ground, It just lays out.

556
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 2: He's out.

557
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:18,800
Speaker 1: Nobody's even checking on coast, everybody scramming for the ball.

558
00:26:18,880 --> 00:26:23,960
Speaker 1: Coach's body just just right there. Body, this body just

559
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:26,240
Speaker 1: laid out, and I'm like, oh man, anybody check on

560
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 1: Coaston's out there?

561
00:26:27,359 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 3: Nobody check on Oh that's funny.

562
00:26:30,600 --> 00:26:33,520
Speaker 4: He had a character over there. Completely figure it out.

563
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 1: But you know, these are the memories that I have

564
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 1: with Coaston just as a player.

565
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:40,720
Speaker 2: We'll be right back after a quick break.

566
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:43,160
Speaker 3: Let's let's dive into his post career.

567
00:26:43,400 --> 00:26:43,640
Speaker 2: Yeah.

568
00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: So, I think I think for me or most players,

569
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,320
Speaker 1: when we leave this game, we don't do it on

570
00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:49,359
Speaker 1: our own terms.

571
00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:49,960
Speaker 3: Right.

572
00:26:50,000 --> 00:26:52,959
Speaker 1: It's always you get injured or you get cut, released

573
00:26:53,040 --> 00:26:53,439
Speaker 1: or whatever.

574
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:56,679
Speaker 3: You know, there's only a few of us. Uh, the

575
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,200
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning's the Jerome Bettist.

576
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,760
Speaker 1: Didn't get to leave on his terms either. I mean

577
00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 1: he won a Super Bowl and like that's that's a

578
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:06,760
Speaker 1: that's a good way to go out, you know. Jerome Bennets,

579
00:27:06,800 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: he won Super Bowl, retired. We had Devin mccordy. He

580
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:13,000
Speaker 1: just was say, yeah, I think I'm done. I'm I'm

581
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: one of my my three super Bowls. That's it. Mama

582
00:27:16,640 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 1: Rodolf in the Sunset did it the way he wanted

583
00:27:18,520 --> 00:27:21,640
Speaker 1: to do it. Was it easy for you to come

584
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:25,199
Speaker 1: to your determination when you retire, because it kind of

585
00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 1: I think I read you did it. You were like

586
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: three four years out kind of planning retirement or thinking

587
00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 1: about it at least, you know, before you actually did it.

588
00:27:33,119 --> 00:27:36,640
Speaker 4: Yeah, So it was a combination of I had already

589
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:42,199
Speaker 4: been pretty active on the business front, Like I was,

590
00:27:42,240 --> 00:27:45,600
Speaker 4: I was investing at the time. I was actually I

591
00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,600
Speaker 4: was running a semi pro and arena football team while

592
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:51,120
Speaker 4: I was playing, really running it, like really running it

593
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 4: like in training camp, building like my sales strategies and

594
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 4: my sponsorship strategies and stuff. So I was I was

595
00:27:59,880 --> 00:28:03,800
Speaker 4: like fully immersed in business at the time. Anyways, And

596
00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,520
Speaker 4: like I said that twenty fifteen year. I didn't. I

597
00:28:07,560 --> 00:28:08,960
Speaker 4: honestly didn't know I was going to come back and

598
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:12,960
Speaker 4: play that tenth year. Like for five or six years running,

599
00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 4: I would always tell Roman, like this might be the

600
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 4: last one. But after the fourteen season, my body was

601
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,679
Speaker 4: just in a place where I knew I wouldn't be

602
00:28:22,760 --> 00:28:26,919
Speaker 4: able to be the player that I was. So I

603
00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,359
Speaker 4: was kind of undecided about twenty fifteen until the very

604
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:33,240
Speaker 4: end anyways, So I kind of went into that year

605
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 4: knowing and that was it for me. So the combination

606
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 4: of that and then already having some business stuff going

607
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,040
Speaker 4: it made that transition a little bit more seamless. But

608
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 4: I think what really fueled it was when I was

609
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 4: able to start to see how everything that I did

610
00:28:52,600 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: to prepare myself to play on Sundays, how I could

611
00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 4: repurpose all of that into business, and like had real

612
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,360
Speaker 4: proof because I was already doing it. I think that

613
00:29:02,440 --> 00:29:04,840
Speaker 4: was That was the thing that made the transition seamless

614
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 4: and one that didn't make it easy by any stretch,

615
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 4: But it was like it was just another challenge that

616
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: I knew I could. I didn't feel like I had

617
00:29:15,040 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 4: to overcome it. I just had to figure it out right,

618
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 4: and to me that I think there's a big difference

619
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:23,480
Speaker 4: between you see this this mountain of adversity in front

620
00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:25,320
Speaker 4: of you that you just have no clue what to

621
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 4: do with versus all Right, this is a challenge that's

622
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 4: kind of comparable to the things I'm used to dealing with.

623
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:33,520
Speaker 4: And when I was able to see it through that lens,

624
00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,560
Speaker 4: it made it, it made it just you know, a

625
00:29:36,600 --> 00:29:37,800
Speaker 4: new thing to attack.

626
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 3: All right.

627
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,040
Speaker 1: So just saying what you just said, what is the

628
00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:44,800
Speaker 1: biggest difference, like, because I want you to describe the

629
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,520
Speaker 1: situation that is like a mountain of just like adversity

630
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 1: versus the challenge that you just got to figure out

631
00:29:50,720 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: the answer to.

632
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 4: Yeah. So for me, like I've never looked in the

633
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 4: mirror and just said, I'm a football player. That's that's

634
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 4: my worth, that's my value. Like I've always seen more

635
00:30:01,840 --> 00:30:04,320
Speaker 4: than that when I looked in the mirror, right, and

636
00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:08,360
Speaker 4: you know, football always said this. Football is something that

637
00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,480
Speaker 4: I do. I'm really good at it. I work my

638
00:30:10,520 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 4: butt off at it to become really good at it.

639
00:30:12,360 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 4: But it's something I do, you know. So I think

640
00:30:15,920 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 4: for a lot of guys and really anybody in a

641
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 4: life transition, that if all, you know, and you've kind

642
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 4: of built your life around one thing and that thing

643
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 4: abruptly stops. It's you kind of have this feeling that

644
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: you're falling off a cliff, and it's like, I have

645
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: no idea what's on the bottom of that's what's where

646
00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 4: I'm going to land at when I hit when I

647
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:43,240
Speaker 4: fall off this cliff. For me, I think that cliff

648
00:30:43,240 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 4: still existed. But because of the things that I was

649
00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,080
Speaker 4: doing off the field already and the things that I

650
00:30:49,160 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 4: kind of figured out mentality wise that I could repurpose,

651
00:30:52,800 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 4: I fell off the cliff, but it was a much

652
00:30:54,320 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 4: more shallow cliff right to where I was able to

653
00:30:57,200 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 4: land on my feet and I was able to it

654
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:05,000
Speaker 4: was it was truly, it was. It was truly a

655
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 4: transition of mindset more than it was like a whole

656
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 4: life circumstance. If that makes sense, No, it does.

657
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,560
Speaker 1: Maybe could you share with us a couple examples or something,

658
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: maybe some of the struggles you had post retirement. I

659
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: know we all go through it, we all and you know,

660
00:31:21,880 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: this is kind of why we do this whole podcast.

661
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:25,400
Speaker 2: We talked about our second back and I had mine.

662
00:31:25,600 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I had to navigate mine my own way,

663
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:29,360
Speaker 3: you navigated some of yours, you.

664
00:31:29,400 --> 00:31:31,120
Speaker 1: Know, like me, I took three to sixty five days

665
00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:34,200
Speaker 1: did absolutely nothing yet to decompressed. And yeah, really take

666
00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,440
Speaker 1: a step back and say, all right, well, like you said,

667
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 1: I fell off that cliff and I didn't know it

668
00:31:38,840 --> 00:31:41,840
Speaker 1: was at the bottom of it, but I knew I

669
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:43,240
Speaker 1: had the ability.

670
00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:44,640
Speaker 3: To be able to afford some time to figure it out.

671
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kind of took the opposite approach, Like I

672
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,280
Speaker 4: literally threw myself into any and everything that I thought

673
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:59,800
Speaker 4: would be challenging, exciting and I thought would resonate with me.

674
00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 4: You know, So everything from angel investing to you know,

675
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,959
Speaker 4: working with entrepreneurs and figuring out how to become an

676
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 4: advisor and a consultant, to you know, all all the

677
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 4: things that you rattled off, you know, to begin the podcast.

678
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 4: Those are all ways that I just kind of immersed

679
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:20,320
Speaker 4: myself in, like self discovery, like what are the things

680
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,400
Speaker 4: that interest me, what are the things I could potentially

681
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,239
Speaker 4: be good at, What are the things that I can

682
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,080
Speaker 4: make an impact in my own way? And I did

683
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 4: that for the better part of a decade and just

684
00:32:34,240 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 4: constantly trying new things, constantly building new skill sets, knowing

685
00:32:37,520 --> 00:32:40,120
Speaker 4: that at some point some of these things are going

686
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,440
Speaker 4: to be really valuable, not necessarily knowing when, how, the

687
00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:46,920
Speaker 4: platform that they're going to be valuable in, but just

688
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 4: building skill sets. And for me, the thing that really

689
00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,960
Speaker 4: changed was actually recently with my third my third child

690
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 4: being born, my daughter who's nine months now, that was

691
00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: the time that, to your point, like I literally took

692
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 4: a step back and I finally was able to get

693
00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 4: get to the place where I was content, but I

694
00:33:15,200 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 4: wasn't comfortable. And I think for us as athletes, like

695
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:25,280
Speaker 4: those two things feel like the same. Contentment and being

696
00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: comfortable they feel like the same thing. And it wasn't

697
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 4: until I had my third doubt, my third child, that

698
00:33:32,200 --> 00:33:35,200
Speaker 4: I was able to kind of separate those two. And

699
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,160
Speaker 4: I've for the last year, I've just kind of been

700
00:33:39,080 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 4: in the moment. I've just kind of been slowed down

701
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 4: a lot of things on the business front and really

702
00:33:45,960 --> 00:33:48,240
Speaker 4: kind of focus more on impact and what are the

703
00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:50,680
Speaker 4: things that I can do to be impactful, What are

704
00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,640
Speaker 4: the things that you know are going to bring me

705
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 4: closer to my family. And having to go through that

706
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,920
Speaker 4: whole decade long period of self discovery, I think is

707
00:34:01,920 --> 00:34:03,680
Speaker 4: what led me to the place that I'm at now

708
00:34:03,720 --> 00:34:06,560
Speaker 4: where I'm very content with where I'm at. I'm content

709
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 4: with what I've done, I'm content with what i'm doing,

710
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 4: I'm content with all the areas of my life. Still

711
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 4: not comfortable. I'm going to continue to push the envelope,

712
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,160
Speaker 4: but I'm good.

713
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,160
Speaker 1: That's funny because like content and comfort and comfort and

714
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:21,280
Speaker 1: comfort as.

715
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 2: An athlete, never a good place. No, No, it's like

716
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:25,239
Speaker 2: never want to be there.

717
00:34:25,280 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 3: You never want to be there, especially when you like

718
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,960
Speaker 3: we just don't think like that.

719
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: No, it's like the opposite of everything we're taught, Like

720
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,040
Speaker 1: the moment you get comfortable to get out of here.

721
00:34:35,040 --> 00:34:38,680
Speaker 4: It's almost like we're hardwired. The way that the draft

722
00:34:38,680 --> 00:34:41,839
Speaker 4: comes around every year, they're literally drafting your replacement every year. Yeah,

723
00:34:42,880 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 4: and you got to fight them off but teach them

724
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,160
Speaker 4: everything you know at the same time.

725
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, thats a crazy thing.

726
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 4: Yeah.

727
00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 2: I was always Yeah, I was always the guys like, damn,

728
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,799
Speaker 2: each year I.

729
00:34:53,800 --> 00:34:55,759
Speaker 3: Get older and slower, and you want to got younger

730
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: and faster, and you want to take my spot.

731
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:00,960
Speaker 1: So my my fault process was, no, you're not to

732
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: take a food off my table, Like I gotta I

733
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: gotta stay ready I'm comfortable. I gotta change something up.

734
00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: I gotta do something different. I gotta flip the scrip.

735
00:35:08,800 --> 00:35:08,960
Speaker 4: Yeah.

736
00:35:09,600 --> 00:35:13,600
Speaker 1: So in your contentment and all that, I want you

737
00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,640
Speaker 1: to like tell me why why why.

738
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,080
Speaker 3: The Arena League?

739
00:35:18,840 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: Why why was that, you know one of your business adventures.

740
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 3: It was.

741
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: It was an opportunity that just it really started as

742
00:35:30,800 --> 00:35:34,440
Speaker 4: like a passive investment at first. So just to kind

743
00:35:34,480 --> 00:35:36,839
Speaker 4: of give you the backdrop, there was a team that

744
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:40,920
Speaker 4: was launching in my hometown in Harrisburg, PA, and they

745
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: were looking for investors, and for me, I was like,

746
00:35:43,000 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 4: all right, I want to I want to give back

747
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,040
Speaker 4: to my community. I can kind of go to the

748
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 4: typical route, you know, build a charity, you know, host

749
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:56,160
Speaker 4: to host to camp, create some programming, or this team

750
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:59,360
Speaker 4: now becomes like a give back vehicle. So that's that

751
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 4: was kind of my mentality going into it. I'll be

752
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 4: a passive investor and we can kind of build some

753
00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:06,239
Speaker 4: some programs through the through the team to get back

754
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:10,480
Speaker 4: to the community. And when I got a little bit

755
00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 4: more involved in the business side of it, it really

756
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 4: intrigued me and it was an opportunity to as I

757
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 4: was actively playing at the highest level, like as the talent.

758
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:23,959
Speaker 4: It gave me an opportunity to see the other side

759
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 4: of the business, like what actually makes this thing go

760
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:32,640
Speaker 4: And learning those two things in concert was like a

761
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 4: hell of an experience for me. So when I kind

762
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 4: of saw that connection, it became more of a passive

763
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 4: investment and I said I want to get actively involved

764
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 4: in this, and that next year I bought out my

765
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:51,959
Speaker 4: partner and was like president CEO GM ran the whole show.

766
00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: He also moved chairs. Oh yeah, we're not afraid of

767
00:36:56,600 --> 00:37:03,280
Speaker 4: the grind. Everything from you know, putting putting the arena together,

768
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,480
Speaker 4: making sure the turf is laid down, the field is

769
00:37:05,520 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 4: laid out, from game operations, making sure we got the

770
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 4: music licenses secured, like literally everything from soup the nuts. Yeah,

771
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 4: it just intrigued me that much. And my wife hated

772
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:23,880
Speaker 4: it because at the time, like think about this, I

773
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 4: go down, play my season in the fall, get finished

774
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 4: in the winter, fly back home, pick up everything on

775
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 4: the on the arena side for the spring of the summer.

776
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: So there was no it was football like year round,

777
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 4: twelve months, twelve months a year, just a different kind

778
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 4: of football. Yeah, the arena stuff was a little bit

779
00:37:42,640 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 4: more stressful.

780
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sure. How's how's how's the league doing now?

781
00:37:48,239 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 3: Or do you still have it? Is it still going?

782
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:50,120
Speaker 3: Is it?

783
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:50,920
Speaker 1: No?

784
00:37:51,040 --> 00:37:56,600
Speaker 4: So I I the the league actually shut down in

785
00:37:56,640 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 4: twenty nineteen, so that was my last with the Arena

786
00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 4: Football League in a since started to make a comeback

787
00:38:05,320 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 4: that I won't be a part of. But yeah, it

788
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:11,920
Speaker 4: was a good seven year run.

789
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 3: So coach.

790
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: Another one of your passions is creating programs and educational

791
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:20,680
Speaker 1: things for universities. And I know you're working at was

792
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: it un O right now and doing some other things.

793
00:38:24,280 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 1: I mean, you're an educator. I mean I've gone to

794
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: one of your entrepreneur business classes right here in Columbia,

795
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:35,400
Speaker 1: right here in New York when I first retired, So

796
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:38,759
Speaker 1: I know this is a passion of yours. Maybe tell

797
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: us what kind of got you started into that, And

798
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,080
Speaker 1: also I want to know personally, because I know all

799
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,880
Speaker 1: the other things you're into that that's not on all

800
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:49,400
Speaker 1: these papers and stuff. And I've seen that big white

801
00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: board in your office that's just full of all kinds

802
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 1: of stuff. So I want to know what's on the

803
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 1: whiteboard and also about what kind of got you and

804
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,400
Speaker 1: led you into the whole university, the academia style of

805
00:39:00,400 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: everything you're doing.

806
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, so education was something that in a million years,

807
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:10,680
Speaker 4: I never seen myself in it. I was an above

808
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 4: average I wasn't a great student. I was a slightly

809
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 4: above average student. I don't want to make excuses, but

810
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:22,279
Speaker 4: I was capable more. But it just never clicked for me.

811
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,640
Speaker 4: And when I was presented, I was doing some speaking

812
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 4: around entrepreneurship and management, business management. That's how I initially

813
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,320
Speaker 4: got connected with University of New Orleans. And when the

814
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:40,800
Speaker 4: opportunity to come in and develop a course around leadership

815
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:45,839
Speaker 4: and entrepreneurship kind of appeared, it was for me. It

816
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,000
Speaker 4: was just it was an opportunity to take something that

817
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: I wasn't very good at for reasons that I thought

818
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:55,080
Speaker 4: I wasn't very good at, right, and like teaching a

819
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 4: different way, so not necessarily teach from a TechBook textbook,

820
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 4: but trying to teach from an individualized perspective. Right. So

821
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,680
Speaker 4: I had a smaller, a smaller class, smaller cohort of students,

822
00:40:07,440 --> 00:40:10,560
Speaker 4: and it was less about teaching you concepts from a

823
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: textbook and more about how can you how can you

824
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 4: really take control of your own personal professional development journey?

825
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:25,840
Speaker 4: That was really what the curriculum became. So for me,

826
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,080
Speaker 4: it was I was scared to death to get in

827
00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,759
Speaker 4: front of the classroom because you know this more than

828
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 4: anybody else, I'm about as introverted as you can get, right,

829
00:40:36,120 --> 00:40:37,719
Speaker 4: So the fact that it scared the hell out of

830
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 4: me was one of the reasons why I did it.

831
00:40:40,160 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 4: Because it was a new opportunity to expand. It was

832
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 4: a new opportunity to grow into something different, and it

833
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: was an opportunity to see if I can create impact

834
00:40:48,160 --> 00:40:52,280
Speaker 4: in a different way. And those were all the reasons

835
00:40:52,360 --> 00:40:54,680
Speaker 4: I did it. It really had very little to do

836
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:57,280
Speaker 4: with wanting to be an educator. It was more about

837
00:40:57,560 --> 00:40:59,600
Speaker 4: I think I have a unique perspective, I have some

838
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,040
Speaker 4: unique insight, some unique experience. Can I share it with

839
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 4: these students as a way to unlock something for them?

840
00:41:06,280 --> 00:41:09,400
Speaker 4: So you approached them or do they They? They approached me,

841
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,719
Speaker 4: And it was one of those things where when they

842
00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 4: approached me, I thought they kind of had something in

843
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 4: mind already. But the opportunity was you come in here

844
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 4: as an adjunct, you create your own curriculum, which.

845
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: So you you were a professor of the university, Okay, yeah,

846
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,480
Speaker 1: I was. I wanted people to know that he was

847
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: a profess sore at the University of Normals. Like, okay,

848
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:38,680
Speaker 1: like that's teaching honors classes. Yes, yep, that's big.

849
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 4: So so I did that for taught that course for

850
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: three semesters.

851
00:41:42,600 --> 00:41:42,759
Speaker 3: Yea.

852
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 4: And there was some some unique things like COVID kind

853
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,800
Speaker 4: of made virtual more of an option, so I was

854
00:41:49,840 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 4: able to do it from New Jersey. So there were

855
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:54,800
Speaker 4: some stars that kind of aligned to make it happen.

856
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 4: But you know, it was just again, it was an

857
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:59,960
Speaker 4: It was an opportunity to try something new, to try

858
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 4: something different, delivered joint I did. I really did enjoy it.

859
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,440
Speaker 4: I got more and more comfortable with every class just

860
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 4: being me, you know, because you guys can probably attest

861
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:15,240
Speaker 4: to this, like you step into a new a new arena,

862
00:42:15,280 --> 00:42:19,280
Speaker 4: a new environment, and when you're not one hundred percent

863
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: confident in what you can bring, you tend to show

864
00:42:22,160 --> 00:42:25,960
Speaker 4: up as like a representative of yourself. And for the

865
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:29,000
Speaker 4: first handful of classes, I kind of had my little

866
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:31,359
Speaker 4: lesson planned together. I knew exactly what I wanted to cover,

867
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 4: and I was I was in front of the class.

868
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 4: It's kind of that representative. And as I got more

869
00:42:36,719 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 4: and more comfortable. I went less and less to the

870
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,759
Speaker 4: lesson plan more and more to like the mental role

871
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 4: of deex and the experiences, and that's when it started

872
00:42:46,480 --> 00:42:49,040
Speaker 4: to unlock things for me. But it also unlocked things

873
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 4: for the students because it became more conversational, It became

874
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:58,360
Speaker 4: more personal, as opposed to here's my textbook, highlight this stuff,

875
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 4: we're going to take a test or getting a set

876
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 4: on this stuff. Like it became more about their own

877
00:43:03,840 --> 00:43:06,640
Speaker 4: journeys and me being invested in their personal journeys.

878
00:43:06,680 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 2: How much did that? How much growth did you have

879
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:09,680
Speaker 2: doing that?

880
00:43:09,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: Because so often everybody thinks, oh, we're just coming there

881
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,600
Speaker 1: when we talk to people, we pour into them, But

882
00:43:14,680 --> 00:43:17,080
Speaker 1: a lot of times it's actually the reverse, Like I

883
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:20,040
Speaker 1: actually feel like I get poured into myself.

884
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,400
Speaker 2: And I actually have more growth.

885
00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:23,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the whole process, because not only we learned

886
00:43:23,360 --> 00:43:25,759
Speaker 1: about ourselves, but we learn from them as well. So

887
00:43:25,840 --> 00:43:28,360
Speaker 1: what did you learn from all that too? Like what

888
00:43:28,440 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 1: do you think you got to walk away with like

889
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: man that felt really good or or something like that.

890
00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:37,640
Speaker 4: I think personally, the most impactful piece of it was

891
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,200
Speaker 4: I got a chance to walk away and see something

892
00:43:42,280 --> 00:43:45,319
Speaker 4: different than me when I looked in the mirror. I

893
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 4: got to take on something that is literally one of

894
00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 4: my biggest fears, yeah, and turn it into power. And

895
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:57,040
Speaker 4: you know, the growth that comes from that propelled me

896
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 4: into the next thing, and the next thing and the

897
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:04,759
Speaker 4: next thing. Because a lot of times as athletes, we

898
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 4: could type cast and we kind of get treated as

899
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 4: its monolith. All you athletes do x y Z. You

900
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:14,160
Speaker 4: athletes are interested in x y Z. You're in like.

901
00:44:14,880 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 4: So for me it was something that this is this

902
00:44:17,640 --> 00:44:20,439
Speaker 4: is not on the athlete Bengo card going to being

903
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:24,279
Speaker 4: a college professor, right. So for me, it was an

904
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:29,000
Speaker 4: opportunity to kind of take back ownership of my own brand,

905
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 4: my own you know, likeness, and repositioned it in a

906
00:44:35,480 --> 00:44:37,799
Speaker 4: way that I wanted.

907
00:44:37,960 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 3: That you think you could teach me, yeah, versus Alabama

908
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:44,520
Speaker 3: wants you to teach something. Do you think you could teach.

909
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:46,560
Speaker 4: Uh?

910
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 1: Next question, I don't know so, but what you said

911
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:57,120
Speaker 1: was great.

912
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 2: The next I don't know.

913
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:08,239
Speaker 1: Past like family feud style, I would say, but that

914
00:45:08,360 --> 00:45:10,399
Speaker 1: kind of sexuy to the next thing is that you're

915
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 1: talking about your brand and what athletes are talking about

916
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,680
Speaker 1: in and I've been in these spaces with you now

917
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: where I only know you as the Quiet Storm, right,

918
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,120
Speaker 1: like that's all that was For those that don't know,

919
00:45:23,160 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: that was Colston's nickname in New Orleans because he did

920
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:30,240
Speaker 1: not talk, and so he would go weeks upon weeks

921
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,759
Speaker 1: and just not saying. You must have been really mad.

922
00:45:32,800 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: If he was talking and we tried to, you must

923
00:45:36,040 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 1: have been mad. That's why I was shocked. I was

924
00:45:39,440 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 1: so shocked. That's not even him, that's not even not

925
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:48,760
Speaker 1: even here. So anyways, so how and because I've always

926
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,120
Speaker 1: known you as Colston, but I've seen you in these

927
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: spaces now in your Marcus and you talk more, you're

928
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,759
Speaker 1: more gentle, you're more able to have these conversations with

929
00:45:57,840 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 1: other people. And so now how do you you continue

930
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 1: to change the mindset where now people they only see

931
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: you as a businessman. They don't even see you as

932
00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:10,080
Speaker 1: this former athlete. So now you're on the opposite end

933
00:46:10,120 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: of this whole spectrum that most of us are always

934
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:15,680
Speaker 1: trying to get away from. What has that been like?

935
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,840
Speaker 1: And how do you continue to add value? I guess

936
00:46:18,840 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 1: that No, I still am that too.

937
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:26,520
Speaker 4: It's I mean, it's a constant, it's a constant. I'll

938
00:46:26,520 --> 00:46:29,320
Speaker 4: call it a challenge. It's a constant challenge just because

939
00:46:30,400 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 4: you kind of make some headway in some areas, but

940
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 4: then you go and you meet new people and it's

941
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,359
Speaker 4: like a re education all over again. You know. So

942
00:46:41,160 --> 00:46:43,839
Speaker 4: I've actually gotten for a long time. I was just

943
00:46:43,920 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 4: like really really focused on everything you just said, like

944
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,399
Speaker 4: I'm not the former football guy, I'm the current such

945
00:46:50,400 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 4: and such. Yeah, And in a lot of ways, it

946
00:46:55,719 --> 00:47:00,160
Speaker 4: helped push all those narratives forward, but it did kind

947
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,279
Speaker 4: of leave me feeling a little bit disconnected from the

948
00:47:02,320 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 4: thing that I was really really good at. Yeah. So

949
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 4: it's a constant challenge and it really becomes and I

950
00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:13,760
Speaker 4: always tend to link it back to football, especially playing receiver,

951
00:47:13,800 --> 00:47:17,440
Speaker 4: because like it's really a game of strategy. And what

952
00:47:17,560 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 4: I start to think about is like it's all situational, right,

953
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,759
Speaker 4: I don't need to I can go into an educational

954
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 4: space and can I have the resume and I have

955
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 4: the skill set to show up as who I need

956
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,239
Speaker 4: to be in that space. I can go into a

957
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 4: sports setting and show up because I have the skill set,

958
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 4: I have the experience and be who I need to

959
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 4: be in that space. So the idea of like this

960
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 4: brand being this static thing that I always am no

961
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 4: matter where I'm at. It's kind of helped me move

962
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:55,319
Speaker 4: beyond that concept to where now I can show up

963
00:47:56,239 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 4: with the references and I can show up with the

964
00:48:00,000 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 4: credentials to be who I need to be in that moment.

965
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 4: And you know, I think I'm just now starting to

966
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:11,560
Speaker 4: really get back into the sports side, which is I mean,

967
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,239
Speaker 4: it's it's fun to kind of unlock it in a

968
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,880
Speaker 4: different way now, but for me, it's it's just really,

969
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:21,920
Speaker 4: how can I control my narrative and use it as

970
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:23,560
Speaker 4: a tool to kind of open the doors that I

971
00:48:23,600 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 4: want to open, Because for a lot, for a lot

972
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 4: of us, we just kind of get stuck in this

973
00:48:28,400 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 4: in this cycle of our brand is kind of dictated

974
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,040
Speaker 4: to us, and then the opportunities that we see are

975
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 4: a function of the brand that people tell us that

976
00:48:37,600 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 4: we have to be.

977
00:48:39,080 --> 00:48:42,080
Speaker 3: Okay, so let's get back to some football questions. Gotcha

978
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:42,920
Speaker 3: rookie Year?

979
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 4: Yeah?

980
00:48:43,800 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 3: Where you pissed off that Vince Young one Rookie of

981
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:46,319
Speaker 3: the Year.

982
00:48:48,320 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, yeah, I know what I was like

983
00:49:00,640 --> 00:49:02,839
Speaker 1: body language. I'm pretty good reading mindy lang, which just

984
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:06,399
Speaker 1: like you damn right, was pissed off. Yeah, Okay, it's

985
00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: like if it was a bubble with like a.

986
00:49:08,960 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 2: Coming the dots is like that not that hell Yeah.

987
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 4: I mean I feel like I checked all the boxes,

988
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:18,359
Speaker 4: Like I had a statistically had a good year.

989
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:18,919
Speaker 2: You did.

990
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:21,600
Speaker 4: We ended up in MC championship and he did, like

991
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 4: I think knows what it was the year prior to that.

992
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,640
Speaker 4: So like I feel like I checked the boxes.

993
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 1: I think you didn't get it just because of the

994
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: school you came from and the school he came from,

995
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 1: Like that might have had something.

996
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:34,520
Speaker 4: To do with it.

997
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,799
Speaker 2: You might be right about I didn't think about that.

998
00:49:37,880 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 4: It's no uh no pride network.

999
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:44,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's why you lost that one. He

1000
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,320
Speaker 1: just went to a better school and he had the

1001
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: name recognition. But you did have a hell of a yeah,

1002
00:49:50,000 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: I mean you did have a hell of year. You

1003
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:54,320
Speaker 1: came in saying, which is which is good? I just yeah,

1004
00:49:54,640 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: it'd be nice if you want it.

1005
00:49:55,800 --> 00:50:00,359
Speaker 4: Though you hurt blocking, you know, yeah, And I did

1006
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:01,120
Speaker 4: get hurt blocking.

1007
00:50:01,200 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1008
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,800
Speaker 1: That is so funny though, because that whole little situation

1009
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:08,360
Speaker 1: is exactly how we play out every single time. Sean

1010
00:50:08,400 --> 00:50:10,719
Speaker 1: Payton would say, all right, we're gonna break it down

1011
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:11,480
Speaker 1: after practice.

1012
00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 3: You know, we get the little one two three whatever, and.

1013
00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,239
Speaker 1: He'd be like, all right, coast and everybody break it

1014
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:18,359
Speaker 1: down on coast and everybody like, hey, he's gonna talk.

1015
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 2: Everybody, he's gonna talk.

1016
00:50:21,920 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 1: And then he come up there he's just sight hey,

1017
00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,560
Speaker 1: Saints on three one two three.

1018
00:50:27,200 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 2: So it's like nothing. I had this for eight years.

1019
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: I'm telling you, this is crazy talk more today than

1020
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,520
Speaker 1: in like six years. We got like that Nick Roach.

1021
00:50:36,600 --> 00:50:39,160
Speaker 1: We used to call him NICKI whispers. Yeah, he was

1022
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:40,040
Speaker 1: a mic linebacker.

1023
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 3: He was like, all right, guys, overcover two ready break.

1024
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 4: You gotta pay attention.

1025
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:50,719
Speaker 1: He said something you gonna pay attention. Definitely got to

1026
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:56,719
Speaker 1: pay attention, all right. So you know, it was how

1027
00:50:56,760 --> 00:50:59,319
Speaker 1: many receivers are drafted? You know how many receivers were

1028
00:50:59,360 --> 00:51:02,200
Speaker 1: drafted in two thousand and six in front of you?

1029
00:51:04,280 --> 00:51:06,120
Speaker 4: Twenty two? All right?

1030
00:51:06,160 --> 00:51:07,239
Speaker 3: Good enough?

1031
00:51:07,239 --> 00:51:10,279
Speaker 4: Answer was to I don't.

1032
00:51:10,520 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: I'm trying to think back.

1033
00:51:11,960 --> 00:51:14,919
Speaker 3: I think it was twenty five, twenty five, Yeah a lot.

1034
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:15,319
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1035
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 1: Out of all of those, can you name it was

1036
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 1: only three receivers that played more games.

1037
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:32,240
Speaker 4: Than you, Greg, Greg Jennings, Brandon Marshall, not Greg Jennings,

1038
00:51:32,480 --> 00:51:36,880
Speaker 4: not Greg Nope, Yeah, I got one, then you did

1039
00:51:36,960 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 4: get one.

1040
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,960
Speaker 3: Brandon Marshall, who else had him here? Yeah, he was

1041
00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 3: yesterday the other day.

1042
00:51:42,680 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 4: Jason Levanna, Oh Jason, but Jason was a beast in

1043
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:49,280
Speaker 4: that slot. He was nice.

1044
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was real nice. And the other one is

1045
00:51:52,520 --> 00:51:55,839
Speaker 2: kind of like a hype rent. Yeah, he really wasn't

1046
00:51:55,840 --> 00:51:56,320
Speaker 2: a receiver.

1047
00:51:56,400 --> 00:51:58,800
Speaker 1: He was probably a receiver coming out, but he eventually

1048
00:51:59,000 --> 00:51:59,960
Speaker 1: transitioned the tight end.

1049
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,479
Speaker 4: Oh Delaney Delaney Walker, Yeah, there we got Yeah.

1050
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,359
Speaker 2: I figured yeah when I saw him, like, that's really yeah.

1051
00:52:10,040 --> 00:52:12,319
Speaker 4: They thought that was my future, man, that was that

1052
00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:14,279
Speaker 4: was you, That was you. That was my future in

1053
00:52:14,360 --> 00:52:15,720
Speaker 4: certain certain teams.

1054
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,919
Speaker 2: Delay Delaney played a long time too, a long time.

1055
00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 2: It made it work.

1056
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I hate to say that. I think Delaney might

1057
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:26,359
Speaker 1: have been was he fashion in you coming out? Because

1058
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 1: Delaney can roll? I mean not saying you can't run.

1059
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,000
Speaker 3: He basically kind of did say that just a little bit.

1060
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:33,920
Speaker 3: Put a little song on that.

1061
00:52:34,200 --> 00:52:35,919
Speaker 4: I'm used to it at this point. I'm so good.

1062
00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: He's always been known as the possession guy, even though

1063
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,239
Speaker 1: he could run. He ran like a four to three

1064
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: something coming out of college.

1065
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 4: No, No, the four three is never in my life

1066
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 4: for four. I ran mid four four at one point,

1067
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 4: would you go?

1068
00:52:50,360 --> 00:52:56,840
Speaker 3: I was for four it at Alabama. So throughout the career,

1069
00:52:57,080 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 3: toughest some of the toughest corns you've ever gone against.

1070
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:06,359
Speaker 4: Hated playing against you, hated playing against Al Harris. Like

1071
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,520
Speaker 4: for me, bigger guys just a great comb that's a

1072
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,319
Speaker 4: great combo. Bigger guys just it's hard to look at

1073
00:53:14,400 --> 00:53:17,200
Speaker 4: look across when like your size is your advantage and

1074
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 4: like see a mirror image of you?

1075
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: What do I do this?

1076
00:53:20,520 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, to me, I thought you guys were easier, like

1077
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:27,320
Speaker 1: the smaller Marvin Harrison, Steve Smith's like those.

1078
00:53:27,120 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 3: Are guys for me, they were harder to cover. But

1079
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:35,600
Speaker 3: a bigger guy you of Calvin Johnson, Randy Moss, like

1080
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:37,200
Speaker 3: those were the guys that I love.

1081
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,760
Speaker 1: Like I used to get excited, I would get geeked

1082
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:42,440
Speaker 1: to play guys like your size, Like finally I got

1083
00:53:42,480 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: a bigger dude, Like we now we can like we

1084
00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: can go at it.

1085
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: It's a heavy way about, like let's let's go.

1086
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,360
Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I appreciate you putting in that category of

1087
00:53:50,360 --> 00:53:55,480
Speaker 4: them two dudes, but yeah, you you Al Harris, Like

1088
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 4: the bigger corners were always more challenging for me because

1089
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:02,360
Speaker 4: like my game was was body position, you know, so

1090
00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:04,719
Speaker 4: you two and then the Royal reebs, and his prime

1091
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 4: was just different.

1092
00:54:05,719 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, like sand everywhere island just building out.

1093
00:54:08,920 --> 00:54:10,960
Speaker 4: You want to play number three? Like two yard's been

1094
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 4: a tight end. Cool, I'm pressing you right there. It

1095
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,799
Speaker 4: didn't matter, It wasn't there weren't too many dudes like that. Yeah.

1096
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:20,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was nice, all right, it was real nice.

1097
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 1: So every guest we bring in, we always like to

1098
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: know who is on their personal route Mount Rushmore of

1099
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:33,479
Speaker 1: influence and you get four it's not just about football, life,

1100
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:37,360
Speaker 1: everything all holistically. Who's on your Mount Rushmore?

1101
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:42,320
Speaker 4: I mean first, first I got to put my parents.

1102
00:54:42,880 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 4: I'll let them collectively be one. So I lost my

1103
00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 4: dad at fourteen, and one of the things that I

1104
00:54:51,680 --> 00:54:56,319
Speaker 4: always think about is in fourteen years, I got so

1105
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,319
Speaker 4: many life lessons. I got so many examples that I

1106
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:05,240
Speaker 4: still use to this day to where like those fourteen

1107
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,040
Speaker 4: years have given me a lifetime worth of guidance. He

1108
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 4: and my mom. I lost my mom about about five

1109
00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 4: years ago, so they they have obviously, you know, everything

1110
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:22,040
Speaker 4: that's in my DNA comes from them, but just understanding

1111
00:55:22,120 --> 00:55:24,919
Speaker 4: how to navigate this world, how to treat people, how

1112
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,680
Speaker 4: to stand on your word. All of those things that

1113
00:55:28,040 --> 00:55:35,239
Speaker 4: I feel really strongly about and confident about myself, I

1114
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,799
Speaker 4: got from them. So they got to be number one.

1115
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 4: I put up with CJ. I. I kind of spoke

1116
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:51,239
Speaker 4: on him a little bit earlier, but he took a

1117
00:55:51,320 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 4: dude that had some raw talent, raw ability, and didn't

1118
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 4: know how to work, didn't know how to be a

1119
00:55:56,360 --> 00:56:00,799
Speaker 4: professional athlete, and forced me to become a professional. Fact. Yeah,

1120
00:56:02,280 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 4: so I would say everything that I that I was

1121
00:56:04,960 --> 00:56:09,719
Speaker 4: able to do in my career, he is. He's he's

1122
00:56:09,719 --> 00:56:11,759
Speaker 4: got a lot of hand like he's got a hand

1123
00:56:11,760 --> 00:56:20,520
Speaker 4: in all of that. And for it's tough, it's tough. Yeah,

1124
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,120
Speaker 4: there's a part of me to wants to say somebody

1125
00:56:22,160 --> 00:56:23,840
Speaker 4: in the Saints front office, but they passed on me

1126
00:56:23,920 --> 00:56:27,359
Speaker 4: seven times too. I was I was the second pick

1127
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:40,160
Speaker 4: of the seventh round. I would say, my financial advisor

1128
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:42,000
Speaker 4: is on my mount rushmore.

1129
00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:43,520
Speaker 1: That.

1130
00:56:43,640 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 4: And it's less about the job that he has and

1131
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:49,799
Speaker 4: more about the example that he set. Like he's a

1132
00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,840
Speaker 4: former athlete himself, played ten years back back with the Eagles,

1133
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:57,880
Speaker 4: and he was somebody that always when I came to

1134
00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 4: him with these crazy ideas, these crazy opportunities. He always

1135
00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 4: pushed me out of my comfort zone, you know. So

1136
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:07,880
Speaker 4: he was more than just the money manager that a

1137
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:10,399
Speaker 4: lot of guys have. He was like a real live

1138
00:57:10,520 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 4: mentor and advisor. Yeah that said, all right, I walked

1139
00:57:14,120 --> 00:57:17,320
Speaker 4: this path. Here's some of the good things that happened

1140
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 4: in my path. Here's some of the bad things that

1141
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 4: happened in my path. I'm gonna give you all of it,

1142
00:57:21,080 --> 00:57:22,360
Speaker 4: and you do it a what you need to do

1143
00:57:22,440 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 4: with it. So he's somebody that always kept pushing me.

1144
00:57:26,720 --> 00:57:30,280
Speaker 4: And yeah, a lot of the business stuff doesn't doesn't

1145
00:57:30,280 --> 00:57:33,480
Speaker 4: happen as early as it did in my career without him.

1146
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 1: But we all know the path to success as a

1147
00:57:36,280 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 1: business person is fail, fail early fail. You gotta feel

1148
00:57:39,840 --> 00:57:42,360
Speaker 1: early early you fail, yeah, the better you're going to

1149
00:57:42,400 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: be earlier.

1150
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 3: So yeah, that's really cool.

1151
00:57:44,480 --> 00:57:49,320
Speaker 4: One hundred ten percent. Damn it's tough. I put a

1152
00:57:49,360 --> 00:57:51,920
Speaker 4: pin in my wife. I want to put her there,

1153
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:54,400
Speaker 4: but I know that's not what you guys are asking for.

1154
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,760
Speaker 2: No, No, if you put their wife in there, I'm

1155
00:57:57,960 --> 00:57:58,640
Speaker 2: play a big role.

1156
00:57:59,840 --> 00:58:06,520
Speaker 4: So my wife has bear with me through a lot

1157
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,919
Speaker 4: of stuff on the business front, particularly on the business front,

1158
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 4: like there was a time where I was just so

1159
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:16,920
Speaker 4: fully invested in learning and full fully invested in growth,

1160
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:19,880
Speaker 4: and fully invested in you know, we talked about the

1161
00:58:19,880 --> 00:58:22,880
Speaker 4: business in Jamaica, the cannabis business. I'm flying back and

1162
00:58:22,920 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 4: forth to Jamaica and back and forth to Toronto for businesses.

1163
00:58:26,960 --> 00:58:31,080
Speaker 4: I'm you know, taking what people normal people would vacation

1164
00:58:31,200 --> 00:58:35,120
Speaker 4: in the off season. I'm going to run the front office.

1165
00:58:35,240 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 4: So she she kind of understood throughout the whole journey.

1166
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:41,880
Speaker 4: She's kind of understood some of the things that I

1167
00:58:41,960 --> 00:58:45,640
Speaker 4: was doing wasn't for that time. It was kind of

1168
00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 4: building for the future. Yeah, and you know, she made

1169
00:58:50,800 --> 00:58:53,960
Speaker 4: some sacrifices. We made some sacrifices as a family, you know,

1170
00:58:54,360 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 4: you know, just being able to live in the moment

1171
00:58:56,240 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 4: to pursue some of those things, and you know, without

1172
00:59:00,920 --> 00:59:05,440
Speaker 4: that support, you know, I'm not here talking about these things.

1173
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:09,080
Speaker 4: So yeah, she's got to be she's got a round

1174
00:59:09,080 --> 00:59:12,400
Speaker 4: out mountain run. Yeah for sure, she's earned that. Yeah.

1175
00:59:12,480 --> 00:59:13,680
Speaker 3: I appreciate it, man twice.

1176
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, Yeah, that's what's up.

1177
00:59:16,920 --> 00:59:19,880
Speaker 2: He man, appreciate you coming on, yeah, man, thank you man.

1178
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 1: This was almost as fun as all those early mornings

1179
00:59:22,720 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 1: trying to speed down Airline Airline Boulevard in New Orleans,

1180
00:59:26,560 --> 00:59:29,080
Speaker 1: trying to not be late, practicing for the meetings.

1181
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:29,760
Speaker 2: You late.

1182
00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:33,160
Speaker 1: No, No, it was funny because it's like a whole

1183
00:59:33,200 --> 00:59:35,360
Speaker 1: bunch of lights on this road for those that don't know,

1184
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: and Colston had his little you know, he had his

1185
00:59:37,280 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: Camaro back in the day, and he just blowed through

1186
00:59:40,120 --> 00:59:41,160
Speaker 1: all these red lights.

1187
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 4: It's just like.

1188
00:59:42,200 --> 00:59:44,560
Speaker 2: Blowing through driving around cars, didn't matter.

1189
00:59:44,600 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: He hit the shoulder.

1190
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:49,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that learned from him though.

1191
00:59:49,080 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 4: So it's all good. The ticket gonna be less than

1192
00:59:51,640 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 4: the fine that was. Just give me a ticket.

1193
00:59:54,120 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: For those that don't know, For those that don't know,

1194
00:59:57,160 --> 00:59:59,280
Speaker 1: what we're talking about is when you are late for

1195
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:03,040
Speaker 1: a team meeting, you get fined thousands of dollars.

1196
01:00:03,160 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 2: Yes, you get a speaking ticket. It might be sixty

1197
01:00:05,080 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: five dollars.

1198
01:00:05,640 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, give me that.

1199
01:00:06,680 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: You do the math, and if I get the ticket,

1200
01:00:08,840 --> 01:00:11,160
Speaker 1: I got figure that out. And if I get if

1201
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:12,960
Speaker 1: I earned the ticket, I got an excuse because I

1202
01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: got pulled over.

1203
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 2: So it's like automatically it's a win win yeah. Yeah, yeah,

1204
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,040
Speaker 2: just better that way, just better.

1205
01:00:20,520 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: Well yeah, man, all right, Well thank you Coaston, You're

1206
01:00:23,320 --> 01:00:26,200
Speaker 1: a true blessing man, the Quiet Storm this is It's

1207
01:00:26,200 --> 01:00:29,920
Speaker 1: been awesome. Thank you man for showing up and being

1208
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,040
Speaker 1: patient enough with me and my partiness today. Everything I

1209
01:00:33,080 --> 01:00:34,800
Speaker 1: got going on. You should totally be used to it.

1210
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: He should be too.

1211
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:37,320
Speaker 2: Everybody else.

1212
01:00:37,360 --> 01:00:37,680
Speaker 3: Thank you.

1213
01:00:37,720 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 2: And they didn't even know.

1214
01:00:38,520 --> 01:00:39,880
Speaker 3: I was late until we announced it.

1215
01:00:39,920 --> 01:00:43,440
Speaker 1: So thank you as always, our listeners, our followers out there,

1216
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,640
Speaker 1: and our viewers watching this beautiful podcast.

1217
01:00:46,200 --> 01:00:47,480
Speaker 2: iHeartRadio Studios.

1218
01:00:47,480 --> 01:00:49,720
Speaker 1: Thank you up here in New York for having hosted

1219
01:00:49,760 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 1: me and Peanut or Peanut me no, sorry, he would

1220
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:55,480
Speaker 1: totally correct me. Peanut and I an teach you. Yes,

1221
01:00:56,000 --> 01:00:58,360
Speaker 1: wherever you pick up your podcast, I continue to do that.

1222
01:00:59,000 --> 01:01:00,760
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1223
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1224
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:05,920
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1225
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:09,200
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1226
01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 2: Thank you as always, Peanut, get us up out of

1227
01:01:11,640 --> 01:01:12,040
Speaker 2: your boss.

1228
01:01:12,120 --> 01:01:15,400
Speaker 1: Hey on, Peanut Tillman, that's Roman, I'm late, Harper, that's

1229
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:16,120
Speaker 1: the quad Storm.

1230
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:17,000
Speaker 3: Marcus Colson.

1231
01:01:17,080 --> 01:01:18,920
Speaker 1: Hey, out of here, we out of here, out of

1232
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,400
Speaker 1: here later, see you later, Quiet Storm, quad Storm, sign

1233
01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:47,600
Speaker 1: it over bye bye crazy,