1 00:00:06,160 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Novel. 2 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:14,480 Speaker 2: This show contains adult material, references to drugs and swearing. 3 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 3: You have been warned. 4 00:00:18,079 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 2: And then I didn't finish my girls a champagne because 5 00:00:21,079 --> 00:00:23,759 Speaker 2: I needed to fucking far in front of him. 6 00:00:24,000 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 3: I did do that in front of him. 7 00:00:26,040 --> 00:00:29,319 Speaker 1: What around me? 8 00:00:29,360 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 3: I'm a savage? Are you bored of modern dating? 9 00:00:38,000 --> 00:00:40,519 Speaker 2: Meeting the same people from the same apps in the 10 00:00:40,560 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 2: same bar You've only chosen because it's close to your 11 00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:46,600 Speaker 2: house and you can make your usual quick getaway. It's 12 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:49,040 Speaker 2: time to change the narrative on how we find love. 13 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:52,000 Speaker 2: It's time to start looking for love in all the 14 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 2: wrong places. I'm going on a wild dating adventure, only 15 00:00:57,160 --> 00:00:59,640 Speaker 2: picking people who are the total opposite of my type. 16 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: And I've took twenty eight of these dates in two months. 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 3: Will I find that special someone or well? 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 2: This experiment proved that I should just give up on 19 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 2: dating altogether. 20 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:12,360 Speaker 3: It's time to find out. 21 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 2: I'm Grace Campbell and this is twenty eight dates later. 22 00:01:21,400 --> 00:01:22,559 Speaker 3: Hey Dan, how are you? 23 00:01:22,680 --> 00:01:26,240 Speaker 1: I'm good? Thank you, baby, I'm good all the time. 24 00:01:26,240 --> 00:01:29,319 Speaker 1: I'm swaying constantly me as well. 25 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 3: But I'm training human. 26 00:01:30,480 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: Sipp and slide, let me down and ride me out. 27 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 2: So this week I went on a date with a 28 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:41,400 Speaker 2: sober person, which is not my usual date because I 29 00:01:41,560 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: like to drink when i'm dating. Yeah, exactly, I'm blackout 30 00:01:44,520 --> 00:01:47,360 Speaker 2: before I even get there. I don't remember anything about them. 31 00:01:47,440 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: Usually not my asual type. But he was hot, and 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 2: he was hot, and he had a good voice. 33 00:01:51,720 --> 00:01:53,680 Speaker 3: Someone need to hear his voice. His voice was fucking fit. 34 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: Okay, and SIPs trousers, get dick out. 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:02,720 Speaker 3: Hello, Hey you didn't where's that's from New York? You're America? 36 00:02:02,840 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah? 37 00:02:03,560 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 3: Oh you sound like Danish. 38 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 1: Really I don't know. 39 00:02:08,400 --> 00:02:09,240 Speaker 3: Yeah. 40 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm half German and half Italian, so. 41 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:15,640 Speaker 1: Forty three. 42 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: Okay, fine, Yeah you're older than than Thanks for having 43 00:02:21,800 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: fifteen years. Yeah, that's a bit I do. 44 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:28,680 Speaker 3: It's just like a bit I like to do. I 45 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:30,639 Speaker 3: just shame people for being old. That's just one of 46 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 3: my things. 47 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: Okay, the deadest flitg I've ever heard of my life. 48 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:38,320 Speaker 1: Oh you sound Danish. 49 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 3: He did sound Danish. Bro I mean he looked Danish. 50 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:44,639 Speaker 1: He just looked maybe Danish. I give you that. 51 00:02:44,919 --> 00:02:46,600 Speaker 3: After a while I realized he was American. 52 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: His voice sounds gorgeous. 53 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: He was cute. 54 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: It's giving like it's giving porn. I feel like it's giving. 55 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 3: Giving porn, it's giving Lumberjack. 56 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: I remember one time reading this like erotic fiction online 57 00:02:58,400 --> 00:03:02,320 Speaker 1: about like these like Broadway Broadway performers who I didn't 58 00:03:02,360 --> 00:03:06,200 Speaker 1: even know, and it was like so long, but baby 59 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: Dick was raw wow, so much masturbation. 60 00:03:09,320 --> 00:03:10,440 Speaker 3: I got centertic fiction. 61 00:03:10,520 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Have you ever read it? 62 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:16,440 Speaker 2: Because I used to read like Twilight stuff online. 63 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:18,239 Speaker 1: Did it like get you off? 64 00:03:18,960 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 3: No? I was just interested, but no. 65 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 1: It was really hot though. 66 00:03:21,880 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 3: No, No, I get that. I've just never. 67 00:03:23,240 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 2: Really like wanks like reading. I hate reading. I don't 68 00:03:28,200 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: know how to read. So I get the I get 69 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: the opposite of a hard one, and I'm. 70 00:03:32,280 --> 00:03:33,160 Speaker 3: Trying to do it. 71 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:46,360 Speaker 1: You get brain freeze. Are you sober to sober for 72 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: three years? Yeah? Like three years three months now. And 73 00:03:51,080 --> 00:03:52,640 Speaker 1: in the first year, like I just. 74 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 5: Focused on myself, worked at myself, and then then I. 75 00:03:57,200 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 3: Was able to Were you doing therapy? 76 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: I was recovery stuff, right yeah? 77 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:02,160 Speaker 3: Yeah? 78 00:04:02,240 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, So you do the recovery work. 79 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: You're still doing like, are you like? 80 00:04:06,560 --> 00:04:10,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I still do two meetings a week or so, 81 00:04:10,560 --> 00:04:14,240 Speaker 4: and so yeah, I still am involved with dad just 82 00:04:14,240 --> 00:04:15,400 Speaker 4: to keep it fresh. 83 00:04:16,240 --> 00:04:18,479 Speaker 3: So have you ever dated someone who is sober. 84 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:21,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have. It was actually quite cute, like the 85 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:24,760 Speaker 1: person was so beautiful and like really soft and gentle. 86 00:04:25,400 --> 00:04:28,800 Speaker 1: And I didn't drink either, so it meant that you 87 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:31,520 Speaker 1: kind of had to like be in the moment more 88 00:04:31,920 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: like you couldn't You couldn't rely on alcohol. 89 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,159 Speaker 3: There's no distraction, but this is it. 90 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:38,440 Speaker 1: You can't blind alcohol to make you more of a 91 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:40,720 Speaker 1: conversational list like, you just have to kind of like 92 00:04:41,120 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: listen and be in that moment. But it was hard though, 93 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,680 Speaker 1: because the place that we were at was also a 94 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:47,440 Speaker 1: poor and the room next door there was like a 95 00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,800 Speaker 1: live band playing, so it was so loud and with 96 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,640 Speaker 1: my ADHD like I just hear all the other noises, 97 00:04:51,680 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: so I couldn't quite hear them. But they were really 98 00:04:54,760 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: cute and I enjoyed it, and I would do it 99 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,520 Speaker 1: again because like I want to be able to be 100 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:01,159 Speaker 1: I want to be able to expectience moments more in 101 00:05:01,200 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 1: the present. Which okay, now when my God. Welcome to 102 00:05:05,839 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: your Mindfulness Meditation with dan Wyn Grace Campbell. 103 00:05:08,880 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 3: This episode is sponsored by Hello Fresh No but also to. 104 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:14,719 Speaker 1: Do it okay with my Forest Meditation, I look as 105 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:17,479 Speaker 1: come in no it's not that. It's like, if you 106 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 1: haven't done it for a few days, why you being 107 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: passive aggressive? Is there like, oh it's been a few days, Dan, 108 00:05:22,880 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: thank you for coming back. 109 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 3: No Sleep Meditation. 110 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:30,640 Speaker 2: And then halfway through it was like this episode is 111 00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 2: sponsored no Hello. 112 00:05:32,440 --> 00:05:34,320 Speaker 3: Fresh, and I was like, are you joking? 113 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 2: I'm half asleep and I'm being advertised to baby? 114 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: How am I supposed to find inner piece when you're 115 00:05:40,400 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: trying to say that Nanita that Hello Fresh, Nanitza, have 116 00:05:43,640 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: you had that yet? 117 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:44,799 Speaker 3: No? 118 00:05:44,920 --> 00:05:48,160 Speaker 1: Baby, it's a nonbred pizza. What's what's wrong with you? 119 00:05:50,800 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 2: On his profile, which also makes me a bit sad, 120 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 2: it says get. 121 00:05:55,880 --> 00:05:57,479 Speaker 1: He says forty three man straight. 122 00:05:57,560 --> 00:06:01,280 Speaker 3: That is so sad, so sad, a loss of the community. 123 00:06:02,000 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: He says, I'm sober, but I don't judge. Okay, sorry, 124 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: I did read that wrong because I thought he said 125 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:11,599 Speaker 2: don't judge me, but I was obviously me projecting, but 126 00:06:11,680 --> 00:06:15,000 Speaker 2: I don't judge. Also kind of rude because nobody was 127 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 2: giving me the right to judge anyway. 128 00:06:16,440 --> 00:06:17,920 Speaker 1: No, but I guess what he's saying is there's that 129 00:06:17,960 --> 00:06:21,360 Speaker 1: there's a stigma about people who are sober that people are. 130 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,719 Speaker 2: Around Yeah, but the thing is like, because I did 131 00:06:23,720 --> 00:06:25,960 Speaker 2: actually have a few drinks on this day, I was 132 00:06:26,040 --> 00:06:26,839 Speaker 2: drinking champagne. 133 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 3: Actually that's why I was drinking. Yeah, thank you so much. 134 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 3: Pause for applause. So I was drinking champagne and was 135 00:06:33,080 --> 00:06:33,920 Speaker 3: maybe a bit. 136 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 2: Tipsy, but was then really conscious of like being tipsy. 137 00:06:39,120 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 2: So I was like watching myself through the lens of him, 138 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 2: which I think makes me obviously very self conscious. 139 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:46,480 Speaker 3: It's like it's like when my mum. 140 00:06:46,279 --> 00:06:50,719 Speaker 2: Sees me drunk, I fucking trip out because she's never 141 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 2: been drunk before and she doesn't even care. But I'm 142 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 2: like constantly everything I'm saying, I'm like, oh my god, 143 00:06:55,200 --> 00:06:56,359 Speaker 2: she thinks I'm a retrobate. 144 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:57,559 Speaker 1: What do you think it makes you drunk? 145 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: I think it makes me really aware of everything I'm 146 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:03,560 Speaker 2: saying and how I'm sounding, and I think it makes 147 00:07:03,560 --> 00:07:04,440 Speaker 2: me more or less drunk. 148 00:07:04,680 --> 00:07:06,839 Speaker 3: It just makes me like anxious in my head. 149 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:08,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, It's like it's a bit like you know, like 150 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 1: if you like smoke weed and then like you bump 151 00:07:10,520 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: into someone and you're a bit high. In my head, 152 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:13,880 Speaker 1: it's like they bumped into me and I've got a 153 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:14,480 Speaker 1: clown nose on. 154 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 2: I need to message them and they're like, oh, I 155 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 2: had no idea, Yeah yeah. 156 00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 1: As you were eating a whole bag of Cheeto. It's 157 00:07:21,960 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 1: on the street. 158 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 5: So when when I first got sober, and then I 159 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:32,880 Speaker 5: broke up with the girl that I was seeing because 160 00:07:32,920 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 5: it wasn't a good relationship to start with, and then 161 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,840 Speaker 5: I took a year off to to look at my 162 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,000 Speaker 5: stuff and then and part. 163 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 3: Of that is looking at all that they say as well, 164 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: you shouldn't date like. 165 00:07:44,480 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 1: Perfect sense, yeah yeah. 166 00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 5: Yeah, And because you're looking at relationships that you've had 167 00:07:50,800 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 5: and you just end up doing the same thing if 168 00:07:53,120 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 5: and it's distracting. 169 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,840 Speaker 1: I guess one of the negatives as well is that 170 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 1: like you don't want someone to remember all the thing 171 00:08:00,200 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 1: from that night if you were drunk, So I mean 172 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: like if I'm drunk, I want you to be drunk 173 00:08:04,000 --> 00:08:05,960 Speaker 1: so that we're both forgetting what's happened. Like I don't 174 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:08,240 Speaker 1: need you having like a script of all the things 175 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: I said whilst pissed. 176 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 2: I also think it's like an energy thing of like, 177 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,960 Speaker 2: and this is you know, something I would struggle with. 178 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 2: I think being sober and dating is there's a moment 179 00:08:19,680 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: where a date goes from like a bit flirty to 180 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 2: like a bit sexual, and I think sober that moment 181 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: is takes a lot more to like want to do, 182 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,560 Speaker 2: and that's that's sometimes a good thing, because sometimes when 183 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 2: you're sober, you're like, I actually don't want to get 184 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,840 Speaker 2: to this person, whereas I would just get with them. 185 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: Maybe the amount of times that you wake up and 186 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,240 Speaker 1: you're like in bed with someone and you're like, actually, 187 00:08:40,280 --> 00:08:42,839 Speaker 1: there was no chemistry. We were just. 188 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:45,839 Speaker 2: Exactly exactly exactly, so I think sometimes, but then I 189 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:48,440 Speaker 2: also feel like the best dates I've ever been. 190 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:50,840 Speaker 3: In my life have been like we've been a bit drunk. 191 00:08:51,000 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 2: Sometimes things get a bit more unpredictable when you're drinking 192 00:08:53,960 --> 00:08:56,120 Speaker 2: a bit, which is exciting, and I just feel like 193 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 2: maybe you lose that a bit when you're sober. 194 00:08:57,840 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, Like imagine like being in like like Less Square, 195 00:09:00,520 --> 00:09:03,200 Speaker 1: like climbing one of the statues sober and then statue 196 00:09:03,559 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: and like take a fat with me, but you're sober. 197 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: Yeah, you're both sober. He's not even watching you drunk 198 00:09:11,320 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 2: climb on the Travagar Square, Lion. 199 00:09:14,320 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: You're both sober. 200 00:09:15,960 --> 00:09:18,480 Speaker 1: Given like a level like photography, you're on a. 201 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 2: Sober dat ya and your date someone's busking on the 202 00:09:22,120 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 2: tube and your date starts dancing with him. 203 00:09:24,400 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: Oh my god, Oh my god, I would scream. Yeah, 204 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:34,320 Speaker 1: that is the worst image I've ever ever had to 205 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:34,840 Speaker 1: like picture. 206 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:37,640 Speaker 2: My dad always goes up to buskers and like talks 207 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:39,560 Speaker 2: to them, and I'm like, Dad, they're trying to play music. 208 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:40,480 Speaker 1: What does he say? 209 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:42,120 Speaker 2: Oh, because he used to be a busker, so he 210 00:09:42,120 --> 00:09:43,440 Speaker 2: thinks he's so part of the community. 211 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:46,480 Speaker 1: He's like, what gradio sounded? You sound grateful to me? 212 00:09:46,640 --> 00:09:47,360 Speaker 3: He used to be. 213 00:09:47,840 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 2: He used to be a busker in the south of 214 00:09:50,679 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 2: France and he also used to write porn. My dad, wait, 215 00:09:54,040 --> 00:09:58,959 Speaker 2: porn character called the Riviera Jiggilow. Yeah, he used to 216 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: live in the French Riviera. 217 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: Wait, I'm sorry, your dad's EDFPR. What do you want about? 218 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:09,199 Speaker 2: Yeah, So we were talking about dating and like I guess, 219 00:10:09,240 --> 00:10:11,319 Speaker 2: like our sex lives, and then we were talking about 220 00:10:11,320 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 2: what kind of sex we're into, which is just kind 221 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:15,560 Speaker 2: of the chat that I somehow get onto. 222 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: No, it's important you have to know that you're both 223 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:19,840 Speaker 1: viable intimately before you get intimate. 224 00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 3: I think, say intimate one more time. 225 00:10:22,280 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 1: Intimately that is, so what if you're not fully erect 226 00:10:27,360 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: listen to this. What's wrong with you? Oh? Why do 227 00:10:32,080 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 1: you have to snort? Let them. 228 00:10:35,160 --> 00:10:35,439 Speaker 3: Down? 229 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:50,719 Speaker 1: Put that plate of coke down, Grace, we're doing work. 230 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:53,480 Speaker 3: Have you been on days of people who are like 231 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 3: really hardcore? 232 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:56,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's just now what I'm into. 233 00:10:56,600 --> 00:11:01,120 Speaker 4: Like I wanted to be fun and late garden and 234 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 4: so like pain or bdsm or ying Like I'm like, 235 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: I don't know, and kinks are fine, but I just 236 00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:10,079 Speaker 4: don't want to I don't want it to be I 237 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 4: don't like anything too intense, like where it's it's yeah, 238 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 4: like we're pain and stuff is I don't know that's 239 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:20,880 Speaker 4: but yeah, but it's now support turned into like casual kink, 240 00:11:21,960 --> 00:11:24,439 Speaker 4: a little bit of both, like ye, friends with benefits, 241 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:27,360 Speaker 4: like open relationships that kind of stuff. 242 00:11:27,400 --> 00:11:30,440 Speaker 2: What's your king, because mine's just like mine's just like 243 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:32,520 Speaker 2: kid kiddling, kissing and coddling. 244 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:33,360 Speaker 3: That's my gag. 245 00:11:33,800 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: Did you just combine kissing and good link into kitdling? 246 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:41,280 Speaker 1: How creepy that king? 247 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:44,000 Speaker 2: But when he was talking, I was like, Oh, he's 248 00:11:44,080 --> 00:11:47,680 Speaker 2: kind of like my lover because I also get like 249 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: maybe not like kink shamed, but people think I'm going 250 00:11:51,200 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: to be into way more kinky stuff than I actually am, 251 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 2: and then I'm made to feel really boring because of it. 252 00:11:56,880 --> 00:11:59,160 Speaker 2: So I was like, he's kind of speaking my language 253 00:11:59,160 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 2: in the sense that I don't to be tied up. 254 00:12:00,600 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: I don't want to be choked. 255 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:03,320 Speaker 2: I don't want to be slapped, like you know, I'm 256 00:12:03,320 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: in fear of that happening to me every time I 257 00:12:04,960 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 2: fucking go outside. 258 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:07,559 Speaker 1: But I feel like sometimes you have to be careful 259 00:12:07,559 --> 00:12:09,079 Speaker 1: with that kind of guy, because that kind of guy 260 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:11,199 Speaker 1: I can have that kind of like that conversation with you, 261 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 1: and then you go back to his and he's like, 262 00:12:12,960 --> 00:12:14,280 Speaker 1: so I'm into pooh play. 263 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true. 264 00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:17,599 Speaker 1: He's like, I'm not into heavy kinks. But can I 265 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: shit on your chest? 266 00:12:18,920 --> 00:12:20,840 Speaker 3: I don't think Leo, that's Leo? 267 00:12:21,000 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 1: But sure, yeah, I mean fair what's my kink? I 268 00:12:24,440 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: don't know, like I would like to explore more kink. 269 00:12:26,400 --> 00:12:28,080 Speaker 1: I think I do like a nice little bit of 270 00:12:28,120 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: like am switch, like a bit of like role play, 271 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,079 Speaker 1: like either I'm the dominant one or like I'm a 272 00:12:33,120 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: piece of shit and you can tell me what to do. 273 00:12:34,840 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 1: But the problem is is being like six foot five 274 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,600 Speaker 1: and being like no one ever, no one ever tells 275 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,200 Speaker 1: me what to do because I'm always putting the dominant 276 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 1: role like just naturally, which I don't mind, but I 277 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:44,839 Speaker 1: would like to be a whole. 278 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 4: I've gone out with a with a married woman who's 279 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:57,600 Speaker 4: married and then I won't have a coffee deal with her, 280 00:12:58,080 --> 00:12:59,920 Speaker 4: and then we had then we went on like a 281 00:13:00,480 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 4: dinner dad. 282 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:06,200 Speaker 1: And for the round and then and then. 283 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 4: We went to a kink club called Twitter Garden. Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, 284 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:11,439 Speaker 4: yeah yeah. 285 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:14,679 Speaker 3: And then her husband was there. But did she say, 286 00:13:14,800 --> 00:13:15,520 Speaker 3: by the way my husband. 287 00:13:15,800 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 4: Of course, it was her husband and their friend and 288 00:13:19,200 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 4: the friends. 289 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:24,080 Speaker 2: So you went in a group with her and with 290 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,319 Speaker 2: her husband getting with her. 291 00:13:26,559 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 3: He was cool, Well, you were getting with her. 292 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: There's no sex that night, but. 293 00:13:33,880 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone was aware what was going No, I know, 294 00:13:38,200 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: I get that. 295 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:41,320 Speaker 2: Are you being in with her in front of her 296 00:13:41,360 --> 00:13:43,320 Speaker 2: husband and then he was in front of you. 297 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:45,240 Speaker 3: That's quite chic. 298 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,440 Speaker 1: That was very modern, it was I mean, yeah, that 299 00:13:49,559 --> 00:13:51,880 Speaker 1: is quite hot. I have actually watching a bit of 300 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:52,800 Speaker 1: cook porn recently. 301 00:13:53,000 --> 00:13:55,240 Speaker 3: That's interesting. So I only love what what a cock 302 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 3: is this week? 303 00:13:57,120 --> 00:13:59,600 Speaker 1: So cook porn is basically where like your partner watches 304 00:14:00,080 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: Fox someone else, But it kind of seems hot to 305 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: me to be honest, compared to most of the dates 306 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 1: that I've listened to, this guy sounds so cute and nice. 307 00:14:08,559 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 1: Was it good? Did you enjoy it? 308 00:14:09,600 --> 00:14:11,240 Speaker 2: I did enjoy it. I did enjoy it, and we're 309 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,080 Speaker 2: having a nice time. And then what happened was I 310 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,560 Speaker 2: ate some food and as I beforementioned, I was feeling 311 00:14:16,600 --> 00:14:20,680 Speaker 2: indigestion tive, and then it just fucking came to a 312 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: head and I had like suddenly, like really bad stomach pains. 313 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 2: I didn't want to say out loud that I knew 314 00:14:27,040 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: it was trapped wind, so I said I thought maybe 315 00:14:29,920 --> 00:14:32,040 Speaker 2: it was like period pains or something like that, because 316 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 2: that's a bit easier for men to just in that moment. 317 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:39,280 Speaker 3: But I knew it was trapped wind. And then so 318 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:40,480 Speaker 3: then I got on the floor. 319 00:14:44,840 --> 00:14:47,360 Speaker 2: I got on the floor under the child's phone, no, 320 00:14:47,640 --> 00:14:51,280 Speaker 2: because I needed to fucking fart well in front of him. 321 00:14:51,520 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 3: I did do that in front of him. What. Oh well, 322 00:14:55,520 --> 00:14:56,320 Speaker 3: thank you so much for this. 323 00:14:56,400 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 2: I'm having absolutely awful stomach cramps. It's not that I'm 324 00:15:02,040 --> 00:15:03,560 Speaker 2: not going to like far or anything. I think it's 325 00:15:03,600 --> 00:15:05,160 Speaker 2: either my period or I'm dying. 326 00:15:06,680 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 3: It's probably my period, yeah, or waste of a glass 327 00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 3: of champagne. 328 00:15:12,760 --> 00:15:14,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 329 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 3: And then I didn't finish my glass of champagne. And 330 00:15:18,200 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 3: then that is. 331 00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:24,320 Speaker 1: Not the worst thing that's happening in this moment. You 332 00:15:24,400 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: in Charles pose on the floor growning a far out whole. 333 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: It's probably worse than the quarter filled glass of champagne. 334 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 1: It's a fucking fresh glass of champagne. I don't even understand. 335 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 2: The thing about trapped wind is that as soon as 336 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 2: you far it goes away. So it's annoying because it 337 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: could have carried on the day when it's going to 338 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: a toilet, because I was in so much way. Have 339 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 2: you never had you ever had trap wind so badly? 340 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 3: I could? You can't really move? 341 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:51,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course I have. 342 00:15:51,280 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, of course I have. 343 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,120 Speaker 1: I've got it right now. I'm on Charles pose on 344 00:15:56,120 --> 00:15:59,400 Speaker 1: the floor in the studio. Pass me that glass of champeg, 345 00:15:59,440 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: will you. But I love that this guy is like, 346 00:16:02,520 --> 00:16:04,520 Speaker 1: this guy is like, yeah, I'm not really into like 347 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: weird things, want like some like massive kink. And then 348 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:09,160 Speaker 1: you're just like Child's post yeah, and. 349 00:16:09,120 --> 00:16:11,640 Speaker 2: They're like it's not it's not I'm not gonna fart, 350 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 2: by the way, I'm. 351 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:16,320 Speaker 3: Not gonna fart. There's there's one thing I'm not gonna 352 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:16,720 Speaker 3: do right now. 353 00:16:16,720 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: It's fart. But you know what, that's actually like quite 354 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:20,560 Speaker 1: a solid out of a date, because one of the 355 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: issues that I have is I don't know how to 356 00:16:22,400 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 1: leave a date. 357 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 3: Definitely faked illness. 358 00:16:25,040 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: But I would say the best one is saying, like 359 00:16:26,520 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 2: a member of your family or friend has gone into labor. 360 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:32,160 Speaker 1: But that's a lot of acting, isn't it. 361 00:16:32,160 --> 00:16:34,120 Speaker 2: It's actually really easy you say, oh my god, fuck, 362 00:16:34,160 --> 00:16:34,640 Speaker 2: I've got to go. 363 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. 364 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:37,320 Speaker 1: Can we actually do it? 365 00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 3: Okay, I've done it loads of times. 366 00:16:39,080 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 1: Wait to want another drink? Wait, let me be straight, 367 00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:43,320 Speaker 1: do you want another drink? 368 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Oh my god, I'm fuck, Oh my god, 369 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:49,920 Speaker 2: I'm oh my god. 370 00:16:49,960 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 3: My best friend's gone into labor. I'm so sorry, I've 371 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 3: got to go. 372 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm her, I'm a person, you're dol. 373 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 3: I'm her doula. Yeah, pulling the baby out. 374 00:16:59,120 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: I'm the father. So what I'm convinced. 375 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done it a few times. 376 00:17:06,280 --> 00:17:10,280 Speaker 1: That one. I have. One time I remember, oh god, 377 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,840 Speaker 1: like being on this day and going back to this 378 00:17:12,880 --> 00:17:17,360 Speaker 1: person's house and having like really bad sex. But then afterwards, 379 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: this person was like, I'm really glad that you're here 380 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 1: and like expecting me to stay around. And it was 381 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:25,159 Speaker 1: like maybe half twelve at night. So I text my 382 00:17:25,200 --> 00:17:27,520 Speaker 1: house mate whilst they're in the toilet, and I was there, like, 383 00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 1: can you just email me right now and pretend that 384 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 1: a meeting has been pushed forward midnight? No? No, no, no, 385 00:17:34,200 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: I know it's in like tomorrow morning is way earlier. 386 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:38,320 Speaker 1: So then I have to leave because I don't want 387 00:17:38,359 --> 00:17:41,760 Speaker 1: to stay in this person's bed. And then they did it, 388 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,560 Speaker 1: and I honestly gave the worst acting of my entire life, 389 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:47,200 Speaker 1: like we both knew, but like I just had to 390 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:47,960 Speaker 1: commit to the role. 391 00:17:48,320 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 2: The thing is why, I think in those moments, you 392 00:17:50,840 --> 00:17:53,280 Speaker 2: just want to believe that what the person is saying 393 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:56,879 Speaker 2: is true. So they probably would think I don't know 394 00:17:56,920 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 2: this person. 395 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:58,680 Speaker 3: Probably that is true. 396 00:17:59,320 --> 00:18:01,280 Speaker 1: I think in the moments, you just want to be 397 00:18:01,320 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: able to be reassured enough in yourself to go no. 398 00:18:06,440 --> 00:18:07,560 Speaker 3: This one wasn't actually that okay. 399 00:18:07,560 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 2: I would have liked that to go on for longer, 400 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:11,160 Speaker 2: but I was in an excuchating pain. 401 00:18:11,440 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 3: Then I fired, and then I. 402 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:13,960 Speaker 1: Was fine, would you see him again? 403 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:15,800 Speaker 2: So this is like one of the only ones I've 404 00:18:15,800 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 2: actually wanted to see him again and he didn't want 405 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:19,480 Speaker 2: to see me again. 406 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:21,719 Speaker 1: I guess why, because you're in Charles post on the 407 00:18:21,760 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: floor farting. So are you inte that sober guys, would 408 00:18:27,480 --> 00:18:27,960 Speaker 1: you do it again? 409 00:18:28,560 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 3: Yeah? I actually do think so. 410 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 2: I do think so, And I'm thinking maybe in the 411 00:18:32,520 --> 00:18:35,520 Speaker 2: future I'll be more open to like actually being like 412 00:18:35,640 --> 00:18:37,320 Speaker 2: dating properly someone who's sober. 413 00:18:37,840 --> 00:18:39,720 Speaker 1: And would you be more open to being more sober 414 00:18:39,760 --> 00:18:40,640 Speaker 1: on dates yourself? 415 00:18:40,960 --> 00:18:42,760 Speaker 2: I think so, because then that would have avoided maybe 416 00:18:42,760 --> 00:18:44,600 Speaker 2: the trapped wind if I hadn't drunk so much. 417 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:47,119 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that is like that this is the moral, 418 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: but the moral is so clear, it's almost like biblical. 419 00:18:50,560 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 3: Hmmm, it's like the absolutely fabulous Bible. 420 00:18:54,840 --> 00:19:00,440 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a b c a d ab fab Yeah, 421 00:19:00,560 --> 00:19:02,760 Speaker 6: because I still think at this point, like sometimes I'm 422 00:19:02,800 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 6: still trying to chase oblivion, like I'm still want to 423 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 6: get wanting to get. 424 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,000 Speaker 1: Like real fucked, Like I won't realize how many pints 425 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:10,200 Speaker 1: I've had because I can just drink. 426 00:19:10,800 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 3: I think that's the one thing. 427 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: When I think about being in a relationship with a 428 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:16,240 Speaker 2: sober person, I think, do I want to go on 429 00:19:16,280 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 2: holiday with someone and we're not going to have like 430 00:19:18,720 --> 00:19:21,679 Speaker 2: a fucking like wine Connoissan night out. 431 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 3: Pool. 432 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then I guess I can still do that, 433 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 2: so it's not that deep. 434 00:19:29,520 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, And like what is more important, like like love 435 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 1: and connection and trust with somebody or a long Island 436 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:38,280 Speaker 1: iced tea by the pool. 437 00:19:40,960 --> 00:19:45,719 Speaker 2: I don't know if I can because do I trust anyone? 438 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,040 Speaker 1: No? 439 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:49,480 Speaker 3: But I do want to that I can trust. Yeah, 440 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 3: next time. 441 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:57,199 Speaker 2: On twenty eight dates later, he had brought me a 442 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,479 Speaker 2: present and he brought me some vegan bacon. 443 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:01,640 Speaker 3: Is this the first presence you've got? 444 00:20:01,880 --> 00:20:02,120 Speaker 1: Yeah? 445 00:20:02,359 --> 00:20:04,959 Speaker 2: And can we by the way, can we normalize bringing 446 00:20:05,080 --> 00:20:06,440 Speaker 2: gifts on a first day? 447 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:12,359 Speaker 3: I think it's really chaps see a welcome. I'm a savage, 448 00:20:12,480 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 3: he can hurt it. 449 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,800 Speaker 2: Twenty eight dates Later is produced by Novel for iHeartRadio. 450 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:24,879 Speaker 2: For more from Novel, visit novel dot Audio. The series 451 00:20:24,920 --> 00:20:28,120 Speaker 2: is presented by me Grace Campbell with help from Roz 452 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,359 Speaker 2: Persu and Dan Whye. The producer is Diggory Way. The 453 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 2: executive producer is Claire Broughton. Our editors are mithillly Raw 454 00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:41,480 Speaker 2: and Max O'Brien. Production management from Scharie Houston and Charlotte Wall. 455 00:20:41,760 --> 00:20:44,639 Speaker 2: Willard Foxton is our creative director of Development 456 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:53,520 Speaker 1: Novel