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Speaker 1: Well, welcome to the Beau Show, a brand new podcast

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Speaker 1: right here on iHeart, a place where the heart and

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Speaker 1: the soul matter. Now, for those of you who used

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Speaker 1: to watch my show and it's previous iteration, I welcome

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Speaker 1: you back to this new two point zero version. And

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Speaker 1: for those of you haven't seen me or heard of me, well,

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Speaker 1: I hope that you'll enjoy this presentation in this kind

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Speaker 1: of new format. And for the record, this is not

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Speaker 1: the same Bow Show that some of you here when

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Speaker 1: you're in Walmart. There's something called the Bow Show that

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Speaker 1: they play in Walmart, but it's definitely not me. You've

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Speaker 1: been forewarned about that. I don't know what it is.

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Speaker 1: I just know it's some sort of radio show that

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Speaker 1: they play over the loudspeaker in Walmart when you're in there.

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Speaker 1: Not me though, different Bow Show, and I think it's,

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Speaker 1: you know, really apropos that I'm here on iHeart for

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Speaker 1: those listening, because back in twenty ten, I entered an

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio song contest. For those that may not know, I

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Speaker 1: am a professional singer. I was born in Memphis, Tennessee,

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Speaker 1: was raised on the music of Elvis Presley and all

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Speaker 1: the great and so you know, music was in my blood.

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Speaker 1: And I moved out to LA for a bit and

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Speaker 1: then I came back to Nashville to pursue a professional

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Speaker 1: recording career. And when I lived in Nashville, I began

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Speaker 1: writing a bevy of songs because that's kind of what

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Speaker 1: it is a town of songwriters and the song is

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Speaker 1: great songs honestly coming out of Nashville. And so I

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Speaker 1: heard had this contest through WSIX, the Big ninety eight,

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Speaker 1: that's a big country station there, and the contest winner

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Speaker 1: their reward was to sing that song that you submitted.

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Speaker 1: Was what was then known as the Jerry Lewis NDA

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Speaker 1: Labor Day Telethon. The telethon ended in twenty fifteen and

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Speaker 1: Jerry Lewis passed in twenty seventeen, but this was kind

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Speaker 1: of a fixture of American television each Labor Day. I

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Speaker 1: think those of you who watched the telethon over Labor

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Speaker 1: Day know what I'm talking about. It was just kind

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Speaker 1: of like what you watched at that particular time. They

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Speaker 1: come on and as all to benefit awareness and funds

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Speaker 1: for muscular dystrophe. And so I entered this contest and

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Speaker 1: I won it with a song called over You, which

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Speaker 1: the country singer Reba McIntyre, great singer, she had cut it,

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Speaker 1: you who don't know how kind of music works in Nashville,

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Speaker 1: the song called over You that Reba mcintar did not

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Speaker 2: Even please welcome Bo Davidson.

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Speaker 3: I'm still not over.

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Speaker 2: It's still the only thing I wanted to soaping up.

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Speaker 4: Reread for you. Shere say you're the one for me,

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Speaker 4: Strong enough to find since you free, I don't love,

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Speaker 3: Me over you. I'm still not over you. Oh Greatsava Man,

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Speaker 1: So I think it's appropriate that now you know, my

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Speaker 1: podcast years later would be right here on iHeart, because

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Speaker 1: it's been my literally my voice that led me to

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Speaker 1: a patriotic ode to my generation, the apathetic millennials, which

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Speaker 1: I felt that the millennial generation, my generation was apathetic,

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Speaker 1: My grandmother was very politically vocal, and I remember watching

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Speaker 1: They weren't actually interested in who I was, what I

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Speaker 1: But what I want to do with this show, with

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Speaker 1: this podcast, the Bow Show, kind of in its new

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Speaker 1: of that may be political, some of it may be religious.

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Speaker 1: I am a practicing Christian. Some may be just a

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Speaker 1: common sense, introspective approach. You know, there's a zillion podcast

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Speaker 1: I think what we need today are artistic voices. Artists

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Speaker 5: It was weaponized ambiguity, which is the tactic by the

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Speaker 5: way of quasi communist philosophy from from Paron Paronism from

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Speaker 5: South America, Argentina, where they would basically say things on

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Speaker 5: both sides of the aisle and be kind of like, okay,

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Speaker 5: gay marriage is bad, it's horrible, and then the other

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Speaker 5: token eveund say it's fine, right or gender ideology is evil.

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Speaker 5: And then he would raise up priest who were you know,

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Speaker 5: promoting that NonStop and talking about you know, is and

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Speaker 5: also putting in charge of the of the doctrine of

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Speaker 5: the faith, like the part of the of the Vatican

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Speaker 5: which oversees all Vatican doctrine. He would put someone who's

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Speaker 5: there today who basically is making the point that at

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Speaker 5: sometimes maybe gender transition for kids, though it's morally okay,

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Speaker 5: I don't think so, that's sick, it's demonic, okay, So

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Speaker 5: weaponize ambiguity. But listen, here's a concrete example. In twenty nineteen,

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Speaker 5: he goes to the Middle East. He meets with a

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Speaker 5: bunch of other you know, faith leaders, mostly you know

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Speaker 5: they're a Jewish, but there's you know, leaves them of Islam,

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Speaker 5: and they come out of that and they sign a document.

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Speaker 5: It's called the Abu Dhabi Document twenty nineteen roughly, and

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Speaker 5: in that document, Abu Dhabi's the city where they signed

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Speaker 5: it in the document is a Keith point. It says,

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Speaker 5: God wills the plurality of all religions. Think about us,

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Speaker 5: break that down. What does that actually mean, Especially if

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Speaker 5: you're a Catholic, that means that it doesn't really matter

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Speaker 5: in God's eyes what religion you are. Okay, now you

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Speaker 5: may believe that as a non Catholic. Hey, we can

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Speaker 5: debate that on the side, But if you're the pope,

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Speaker 5: just tell you how anti catholic that is. Because if

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Speaker 5: it doesn't really matter what religion you are, what's the

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Speaker 5: point of evangelizing, Like, who cares? You know, It's like

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Speaker 5: it's all the same. Yes, are there non Catholics of

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Speaker 5: going to heaven? Of course there are absolutely are there

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Speaker 5: non Catholics who are holier than Catholics, closer to Jesus, absolutely,

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Speaker 5: and Jesus Christ himself in the Gospel talked about the

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Speaker 5: Centurion who had more faith than all the children of

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Speaker 5: Israel's right, not denying that, however, the plurality of all religions. No, there,

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Speaker 5: you know, as can we believe with the one true faith? Okay,

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Speaker 5: we debated back and forth, but you know that's an example,

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Speaker 5: bo just a real huge borderline heretical statement that he made.

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Speaker 1: It's it's interesting you bring that up. And I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: keep coming back to Conclave just because I finished it

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Speaker 1: less than have you seen it?

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Speaker 5: By the way, No, I haven't.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well it's it's you know, I wanted to watch

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Speaker 1: it because I'm an actor. I'm a performer, and so

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Speaker 1: like for me, the performances of Ray Fines and John

478
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Speaker 1: Lithgow and these people were really significant. But something that

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Speaker 1: happens in it and you just touched on it. And

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Speaker 1: this is why I've got to bring this up, because

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Speaker 1: there's certain cultural cues people are going to watch this movie. Myself,

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Speaker 1: like included a non Catholic trying to watch what is

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Speaker 1: the election of a pope, like like to get inside

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Speaker 1: of that and to understand what's going on in the

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Speaker 1: context of their conclave. There's an explosion in Vatican City

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Speaker 1: and it was because someone had self detonated a bump.

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Speaker 1: And what happened in that conclave was you had a

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Speaker 1: very conservative leaning person who was getting a lot of votes,

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Speaker 1: who said, you see, we're supposed to be accepting of

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Speaker 1: all these faiths, and look what happens. We're supposed to

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Speaker 1: bring these people in and look what this Muslim person does.

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Speaker 1: And it's at that point, ironically, where this guy that

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Speaker 1: no one had even known about, who was a cardinal

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Speaker 1: and I believe it was Afghanistan, says, aren't we supposed

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Speaker 1: to is, you know, children of God to be able

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Speaker 1: to accept all people? He ends up winning the thing.

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Speaker 1: I'm so spoiler alert. But the reason I have to

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Speaker 1: say it is because what you're touching on seems to

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Speaker 1: be this notion of, you know, Pope Francis being an

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Speaker 1: interfaith kind of guy, accepting of all faiths. Well, if

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Speaker 1: you don't have a true North in your compass in

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Speaker 1: terms of faith, what is the point of believing? And

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Speaker 1: it sounds something like what you're saying is this plurality,

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Speaker 1: this notion of permitting all these different pluralities of religions

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Speaker 1: means that it's okay whatever you believe. And I agree

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Speaker 1: with you. I think that's anti Christian because if there's

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Speaker 1: nothing to believe in, what doesn't matter what you believe

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Speaker 1: hundred percent.

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Speaker 5: And let's be really frank, this was not just all

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Speaker 5: religions are equal, because the same token he promoted non religions.

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Speaker 5: Let me be specific. The October Amazon Syny October of

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Speaker 5: twenty nineteen. He did it was to be blunt. It

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Speaker 5: was essentially idle worship. He brought a statue of a

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Speaker 5: pagan god, the Pacha Mama, okay, and brought it onto

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Speaker 5: the steps of the most sacred altar in one of

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Speaker 5: the most sacred altars in Christendom, on the altar of

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Speaker 5: Saint Peter and Tam Peter Bisoka, and put it there.

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Speaker 5: That's a pagan idol. Why did he Okay, what's that?

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Speaker 1: Why did he do that?

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Speaker 5: God only knows? But but but what probably is what's

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Speaker 5: happening is again is the de emphasiation of the of

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Speaker 5: the importance of the relativism. Okay, here it's been so

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Speaker 5: destructive too, because if there is no point, if Jesus

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Speaker 5: Christ is not the way, the truth and the life,

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Speaker 5: then and you promote other religions and you know, Islam

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Speaker 5: or like I just said, a pagan deity. That's I mean,

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Speaker 5: I don't even know where you stand. You know, we

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Speaker 5: have a great distinction in Catholic philosophy, moral ethics, formal

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Speaker 5: heresy material heresy. Material heresy is essentially when you are

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Speaker 5: saying things that are heretical. God is a combination of

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Speaker 5: ten persons. Heretical statement, a material statement. Formal heresy is

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Speaker 5: when you know what you're doing. Okay, So ultimately we

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Speaker 5: won't know exactly if what Pope Francis really understood he

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Speaker 5: was doing. I mean, logic is he probably had to

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Speaker 5: know exactly what he was doing, right, But it's you know,

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Speaker 5: it's that's why I'm That's why I'm saying some of

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Speaker 5: the things that were done were so grave and they

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Speaker 5: required our prayers for this man and for the damage

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Speaker 5: done to Christianity around the world.

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Speaker 1: So within the Catholic Church than John, I think I

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Speaker 1: know where your perspective is, and it makes a lot

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Speaker 1: of sense. There are some, of course, you know, that

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Speaker 1: are interviewed more by left leaning media that say this

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Speaker 1: pope was beloved, he was a pope of the people.

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Speaker 1: He reformed the church. He had a different attitude towards

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Speaker 1: those who were divorced and remarried. He had a more

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Speaker 1: liberal view towards women, even though he didn't change doctrine

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Speaker 1: on them.

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Speaker 3: So what is it.

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Speaker 1: What is the view overall do you think right now

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Speaker 1: within the Catholic Church and posthumously looking at this pope

552
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Speaker 1: who will be buried tomorrow. Do most of them look

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Speaker 1: upon him as a progressive leader, as this is the

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Speaker 1: future of the Catholic Church, or do some, perhaps like yourself,

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Speaker 1: say this man's done a lot of damage to the papacy.

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Speaker 5: There they can say those things, but statistics don't lie.

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Speaker 5: Among the Catholics who go to church on a regular basis,

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Speaker 5: and some go to daily Mass. I try to go

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Speaker 5: to daily Mass too, because you know, I believe it's

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Speaker 5: the Lord that we were able to receive every day.

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Speaker 5: But among those who are church going Catholics, and the

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Speaker 5: majority of them, I would dis approval rating of post

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Speaker 5: France's right. And yeah, there's also I'd like to point

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Speaker 5: out a paradox too that despite some of the crazy

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Speaker 5: leadership coming from Rome, and also it's filtered down in the

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Speaker 5: United States, years not Catholic. You might be one or two.

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Speaker 5: My goodness, gracious, why don't we have more Catholic bishops

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Speaker 5: the United States speaking up? Why were they saying things

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Speaker 5: that were that were contrary to what President Trump was

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Speaker 5: saying about the border and immigration. I mean, this is

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Speaker 5: like a Christian principle, you can defend your borders. Why

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Speaker 5: were they why were these well, they were nominated by

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Speaker 5: Poe France. They were raised up. So despite this kind

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Speaker 5: of weak, cowardly leadership at times among Catholic bishops, not

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Speaker 5: all of them are bad. You have this ground swell

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Speaker 5: of tremendous conversions back to the faith. I think Charlie

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Speaker 5: Kirk had a great piece on this three days ago

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Speaker 5: on his show, noticing this. It's been a huge influx,

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Speaker 5: so a paradox that crazy leadership. But God's always working

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Speaker 5: because the message of crisis is always attractive no matter

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Speaker 5: who's in charge.

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Speaker 1: So what does this mean? You mentioned you said that

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Speaker 1: there is this tremendous conversion we are seeing I think,

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Speaker 1: and I think you would know this too, and working

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Speaker 1: with turning point action, we're seeing a lot of younger

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Speaker 1: people actually be inspired by faith, reclaim faith, which is

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Speaker 1: very heartening. It's very inspiring to see that within Catholicism.

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Speaker 1: I know JD. Vance, for instance, he's a practicing Catholic.

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Speaker 1: He said it appealed to his intellectual sensibility as a Protestant.

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Speaker 1: And again I'd like for you to walk me through

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Speaker 1: this too. You know, as a Protestant, I think about

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Speaker 1: Martin Luther, the ninety five, theces and the things we

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Speaker 1: don't do that every time I sing in a Catholic church,

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Speaker 1: for instance, for a funeral or for a marriage, there's

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Speaker 1: a decorum to let's say and when it comes to

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Speaker 1: let's say, divorces, to the women's role in the church,

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Speaker 1: to remarrying and things of that sort. Do the younger

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Speaker 1: Catholics do they see a need? Did they like Pope

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Speaker 1: Francis because he was progressive? I mean, if you look

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Speaker 1: at the future of the church and whoever is elected

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Speaker 1: Pope next, I'd like to get into that with and

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Speaker 1: just a bit, but where is the direction our younger

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Speaker 1: Catholics are? Are they more conservative so to speak if

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Speaker 1: you want to call it that politically, where they believe

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Speaker 1: in the foundations of traditional Catholicism or do they want

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Speaker 1: a more progressive approach?

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Speaker 5: Statistically absolutely no, They've been much more traditional so the

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Speaker 5: newer generation even I read a recent poll in that

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Speaker 5: among you know, the disapproved raging about the Holy Father

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Speaker 5: or that changed. I think the older generation to an agree,

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Speaker 5: we're a little bit more of an approved rain for

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Speaker 5: Pope Francis. But the younger generation, those were coming in

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Speaker 5: specifically males by the way, had a much negative and

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Speaker 5: they lean completely conservative. And I also you can kind

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Speaker 5: of see a little bit of that reflected in the

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Speaker 5: twenty four election. We had the largest Catholic landslide in

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Speaker 5: US history. Remember, no, no president can ever win the

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Speaker 5: White House without the cathl vote. There was one exception

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Speaker 5: in the past sixty years, and that was George Bush

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Speaker 5: in two thousand, right, But we saw and it's usually

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Speaker 5: like a fifty fifty tibo on the Catholic vote. This

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Speaker 5: time around, Trump took fifty eight to forty percent, just

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Speaker 5: like mind blowing numbers.

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Speaker 3: Huge.

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Speaker 5: That kind of reflects a little bit the transjectory of

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Speaker 5: the American Catholic today. They're leaning more conservative, you know,

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Speaker 5: and I think that's that's a great thing, because they

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Speaker 5: want that tradition. They want the when everything else in

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Speaker 5: culture seems to be like shifting. And what's for sure,

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Speaker 5: I mean a gender that's so even gender's fluid apparently, right, Well,

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Speaker 5: what can I put my hope on in my faith

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Speaker 5: on that will not change? Money? Have found that in

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Speaker 5: the Cathchurch.

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Speaker 1: What are the things that What is consequential about Pope Francis'

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Speaker 1: papacy you mentioned it is kind of being a stain

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Speaker 1: it sounds like I'd like to know what you think

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Speaker 1: his legacy will be because you've mentioned a couple of

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Speaker 1: things that seem heretical obvious. You talk about the relativism,

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Speaker 1: you talk about the pluralism. How do you think his

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Speaker 1: legacy will be perceived? I mean, here we are, we

641
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Speaker 1: haven't buried the man. People say, why are you talking

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Speaker 1: about it? But I think you have to because you're

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Speaker 1: looking at his life as being and his papacy is

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Speaker 1: being projected before he even got here. So this progress,

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Speaker 1: and again this is all documented kind of in conclave

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Speaker 1: as well, this political element of how you a pope

647
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Speaker 1: gets elected and what's required to do that. And you're

648
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Speaker 1: enlightening me today two aspects I had not considered before.

649
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Speaker 1: So what do you think Francis's legacy will actually be? Good?

650
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Speaker 3: Bad?

651
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Speaker 1: Neutral? How do you think people will view it?

652
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Speaker 5: I honestly believe I'm not trying to be biased here.

653
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 5: I really think that later generations will fluck on this

654
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Speaker 5: pondtificate as being one of the most destructive in recent

655
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Speaker 5: modern Church history. And I don't say that lightly, you

656
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Speaker 5: know I And because of everything we just mentioned that

657
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Speaker 5: being said, where sin abounds, grace abounds all the more,

658
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Speaker 5: and all things work for good for those who love

659
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Speaker 5: God Romans eight. Right. From this, we've already seen, like

660
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Speaker 5: I just said, with those statistics and those numbers, like

661
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Speaker 5: why the conversions despite this crazy leadership. So the cardinals

662
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 5: know what has happened. They do, even the ones that

663
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Speaker 5: are lean more progressive, they understand how confusing this has

664
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Speaker 5: been for the church. And post Francis, you can call

665
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,360
Speaker 5: him a reformer in that sense. He didn't, you know,

666
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Speaker 5: he stretched the bounds of papal and fallibility lead to

667
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Speaker 5: a way that no pope has ever done that. But

668
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Speaker 5: they're gonna go They're gonna approach this, and we should

669
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Speaker 5: be talking about it about you know, the future of

670
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Speaker 5: the church because guess what, the cardinals making a decisions.

671
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Speaker 5: They're talking about it. They already started their means three

672
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Speaker 5: days ago. Right, So we have to make our voices

673
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 5: heard and speak up because this next pope it has

674
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Speaker 5: to please God, bring it back more and even on

675
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Speaker 5: a geopolitical scale scale, I want to reference that quickly, bo.

676
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Speaker 5: Pope Francis also left some disasters out there. The Vatican

677
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Speaker 5: Agreement with wait for it, the Chinese Communist Party signed

678
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Speaker 5: in twenty eighteen, where he seated over to the CCP

679
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 5: the right to name bishops. That has never been done

680
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Speaker 5: by the Vatican to any It'd be like saying to

681
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Speaker 5: President Trump, you name the bishops. In fact, that tried.

682
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Speaker 5: That happened early on in this to Benjamin Franklin. Early

683
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Speaker 5: on in the seventeen hundreds, the Vatican went to Benjamin

684
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Speaker 5: Franklins said, Hey, would you like to like name the bishops?

685
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Speaker 5: Like I was that, like do you want it? Like

686
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Speaker 5: a we have your tacit approval. And Benjamin Franklin's like,

687
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Speaker 5: we could care less. This is America like you for

688
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 5: you know, separation churches date in that sense, right, But

689
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 5: that needs to be done because he has sold out

690
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Speaker 5: the underground church there and and we know the CCP

691
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Speaker 5: has just persecuted Christians and non Christians alike. So that's

692
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Speaker 5: got to end. And the Ambassador to the Vatican pointed

693
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Speaker 5: by President Trump, Brian Birch, sat in his Senate confirmation

694
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Speaker 5: here in two weeks ago, that's one of the top

695
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Speaker 5: issues they will bring up to the new pope. Is Hey,

696
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Speaker 5: this thing to the CCP, let's got to end it.

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Speaker 1: Let me ask you this with regard to the sexual

698
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Speaker 1: abuse scandals within the Catholic Church. Did Francis do enough?

699
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Speaker 1: I think he received a fair amount of criticism. I

700
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Speaker 1: believe he created a commission a way in the law

701
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Speaker 1: to be able to remove certain bishops. But you know,

702
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Speaker 1: the movie Spotlight focused on this. That was with Michael Keaton.

703
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Speaker 1: Another movie that I watched about what was happening in Boston,

704
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Speaker 1: the Boston Catholic Church, how priests were getting reassigned rather

705
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Speaker 1: than actually removed. A I'd like to know did he

706
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Speaker 1: do enough with regard to that, and be if not,

707
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Speaker 1: what needs to happen in the future with the next

708
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Speaker 1: pope and the church in general to be able to

709
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Speaker 1: address that specific issue.

710
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Speaker 5: Honest to God, he didn't. No, he did not have

711
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Speaker 5: to at all. And you know, let's go to examples.

712
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Speaker 5: I mean Theonora mcarrick, okay, who was was leisized during

713
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Speaker 5: the pontificate of Pote Francis. For those who don't remember,

714
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Speaker 5: he is the senior, most senior Catholic official ever to

715
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Speaker 5: be removed from his titles. He's a cardinal, okay, and

716
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Speaker 5: he had a sixty year history of abusing you know, seminarians,

717
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Speaker 5: et cetera. That was just the small stuff he is

718
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Speaker 5: responsible for naming. They guesstimate twenty to thirty percent of

719
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Speaker 5: the current American bishops today. Okay, And one of the

720
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Speaker 5: quote sons of mcarrick was just promoted by Pote Francis

721
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:44,800
Speaker 5: shortly before his death, to beware the Cardinal of Washington D. C. Okay,

722
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Speaker 5: who he himself has not protected some of the flock

723
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Speaker 5: in his care. Rachel mastro Giacomo, a friend of mine,

724
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Speaker 5: a girl had a preschool, you know, some horrible stuff

725
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Speaker 5: to her. Mcmacarey looked the other way, So we put Francis, no,

726
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Speaker 5: he didn't. What can we do? We can be holy,

727
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Speaker 5: We keep speaking up because things are changing. That's good.

728
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Speaker 5: And I do want to say this gives some hope

729
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 5: out there because you may be like, why are you Catholic.

730
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Speaker 5: It's a church full of men and women who are sinners,

731
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Speaker 5: and we're here because we need Jesus. He is in

732
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Speaker 5: our lady. Right, So just for a moment, you know,

733
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Speaker 5: it did.

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Speaker 1: But I'd like to go down that further because you

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Speaker 1: know again, and this is the difference between Protestant Catholic.

736
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Speaker 1: The church I go to actually in Fort Lauderdale. Their

737
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Speaker 1: slogan is we're the less and perfect are more than welcome.

738
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Speaker 1: And I've always liked that because so often the reason

739
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Speaker 1: why a person might not come to church or to

740
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Speaker 1: Mass is because they fear judgment. They fear, you know.

741
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Speaker 1: And of course there is biblical theology. We can't deny it.

742
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: There is sin. We have to face it, we have

743
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Speaker 1: to repent of those sins. We have to be more holy,

744
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 1: even though we are imperfect people. But again, I think

745
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Speaker 1: you know, from my perception, sometimes it seems like the

746
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Speaker 1: Catholic Church can appear that way, as being kind of

747
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Speaker 1: this holy body where you can't live up to the standard.

748
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Speaker 1: And in my opinion, that's why Jesus came and suffered

749
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Speaker 1: on the cross, is because to absolve that sin. But

750
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Speaker 1: from a structural point of view, the Catholic Church still

751
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Speaker 1: looks like this institution. And you watch conclave and I

752
00:40:16,880 --> 00:40:19,440
Speaker 1: was so interested to see how are these popes elected.

753
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Speaker 1: They locked themselves in this room until they finally get

754
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Speaker 1: it right. And there's a certain amount of politicking that

755
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Speaker 1: goes into it. And then you hear about the abuse

756
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Speaker 1: in the Catholic Church, not that the Protestant Church is

757
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Speaker 1: immune to that. It has happened in churches in Memphis, Tennessee,

758
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Speaker 1: where I came from, where the pastor was having an

759
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Speaker 1: affair on the side, was supposed to be a shepherd

760
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Speaker 1: to the flock and was counseling a female and was

761
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Speaker 1: doing stuff with her. It's not like the Protestant Church

762
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Speaker 1: is immune to that. So we are all sinners, even

763
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Speaker 1: are most high, are still sinners. So you're right. Some

764
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Speaker 1: people may look at this and go, well, why even

765
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Speaker 1: bother with the Catholic Church? And I think it's of

766
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: course a matter of personal faith. Then it is the

767
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Speaker 1: structure of it. But I'd like you to speak to that

768
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Speaker 1: and how the church can eradicate some of these issues

769
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Speaker 1: that are that are within it, specifically with regard to

770
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Speaker 1: the sexual abuse and even perhaps the role of women.

771
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Speaker 1: And is that something you feel should be elevated in

772
00:41:07,480 --> 00:41:09,560
Speaker 1: the clergy or do you think that the theology should

773
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Speaker 1: stay the same.

774
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Speaker 5: I believe the theology is to stay the same, not

775
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 5: because it's like a choice for man, but we believe

776
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Speaker 5: it's what's been given to us by the Church fathers

777
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 5: in Christ himself. But as far as the judgment, because

778
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Speaker 5: I think this issue seeps into non Catholic churches as

779
00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:29,200
Speaker 5: well or other Christian churches dominations. The greatest service you

780
00:41:29,200 --> 00:41:31,440
Speaker 5: can do to somebody at times is to not give

781
00:41:31,480 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 5: them the truth, and whether that comes across with judgment.

782
00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:38,319
Speaker 5: You know, Christ told the rich young man, I mean

783
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 5: that had to been hard, hard moment, Like the guy

784
00:41:40,560 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 5: was doing pretty much everything he could to you know,

785
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 5: across the t's and dot the eyes. But Christ challenged

786
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 5: them more, said, you've got to do one more thing.

787
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Speaker 5: And I think you know we we and we kind

788
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:55,320
Speaker 5: of pretend as a church that we, yes, we welcome everybody,

789
00:41:55,760 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 5: but people want the truth, okay, because the truth will

790
00:42:00,360 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 5: set them free. John A thirty two, right, And that's

791
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 5: why it's so important. And we can't we cannot not

792
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 5: speak the truth from the pulpits of course, we got

793
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 5: to do it from love, at the point of love.

794
00:42:11,560 --> 00:42:14,080
Speaker 5: That's why we're doing it. But the church theology, the

795
00:42:14,160 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 5: role of women, we have, what women have brought to

796
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 5: the Catholic Church is insane. Starting with the person who

797
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 5: gets the most respect after Jesus Christ in our church

798
00:42:25,000 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 5: in honor is our lady, right right, Not because he's

799
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,560
Speaker 5: anything special in the sense of we don't need essentially

800
00:42:30,640 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 5: need Mary. We have Christ alone, duh, we can just

801
00:42:33,760 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 5: go right to Christ. But when you've got a connection

802
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 5: to the Mother of God and she maybe you know,

803
00:42:37,560 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 5: see at the foot of the cross. I mean, you

804
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 5: show up at the foot across, I guess what's right

805
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:42,919
Speaker 5: next to you is our lady, Right, So I think

806
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 5: you know, yeah, the role of women is important and

807
00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 5: we need to continue to have them at center stage.

808
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Speaker 1: John, to kind of bring this conversation to a close,

809
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Speaker 1: because you've been so enlightening especially, I think it is important,

810
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: I agree with you to have Protestant and Catholic a

811
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,600
Speaker 1: sort of interfaith dialogue. What do you know about the

812
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 1: conclave that's about to happen in terms of who's there,

813
00:43:05,000 --> 00:43:07,839
Speaker 1: who has votes, who has support within the church? Who

814
00:43:07,880 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: do you think the next pope is likely to be,

815
00:43:09,640 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: Where will they come from, and where that will take

816
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:16,560
Speaker 1: the church? If you could look a little bit through

817
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: the looking glass here and tell us where you think

818
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Speaker 1: it's headed in terms of who you think they may elect.

819
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Speaker 5: You know the pope was Let me back up, there's

820
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 5: one hundred and thirty five roughly electors, So that means

821
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,440
Speaker 5: by Vatican rules, the one that's going to become or

822
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:36,880
Speaker 5: voted in, needs to get about ninety votes. Okay, so

823
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 5: that first round of votes is key. There are a

824
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 5: couple front runners on both sides who could get the

825
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:47,279
Speaker 5: ninety votes. Colonel Perrilyn as an example, he's the Secretary

826
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 5: of State, would not be a good choice in our

827
00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:54,040
Speaker 5: humble estimation. He's also with the architect behind the Vatican

828
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Speaker 5: CCP accords. You know, so if he doesn't get ninety

829
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 5: on the first round, and what will probably or one

830
00:44:01,239 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 5: of the other front runners, what typically happens is then

831
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:07,800
Speaker 5: you're gonna see them have to break up down into

832
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Speaker 5: like someone on a level two category that can kind

833
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,759
Speaker 5: of create a consensus on where the votes might go.

834
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Speaker 5: So kind of a clue is af after two days

835
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Speaker 5: we still want to have a pope two days into

836
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Speaker 5: the conclave, then probably one of those front runners is

837
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 5: not gonna be elected and they're gonna have to shift

838
00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 5: down to a level two. So we'll see. You know,

839
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Speaker 5: we're you know, I run a group called Catholics for Catholics.

840
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 5: We're all about getting Catholics engaged to fight for for America,

841
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 5: make America great again, truly. Uh And you know we're

842
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 5: from around the country, We are just praying like mad

843
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:47,759
Speaker 5: that the Holy Spirit can really help help help us christendom,

844
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:50,800
Speaker 5: you know, because we needed we need this leader to

845
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Speaker 5: be a true example of the Lord.

846
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Speaker 1: This this guy you mentioned that you think is a

847
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Speaker 1: front runner. That's the Secretary of State. You mentioned he's

848
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Speaker 1: been involved in the CCP accords. What what is it

849
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:02,399
Speaker 1: sounds like he's got a lot of votes, He's got

850
00:45:02,440 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: a lot of potential. Is that sounds like it's someone

851
00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: you would not if you were there in the conclave,

852
00:45:07,520 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: that you would vote for. Who would you actually like

853
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,360
Speaker 1: to see become the next pope?

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Speaker 5: Cardinal Raymond Burke is a He's an American, which probably

855
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Speaker 5: means he won't be elected because typically in church history

856
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,160
Speaker 5: they never elect a cardinal from one of the world's

857
00:45:25,200 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 5: superpowers for prudential reasons, not to you know, so probably

858
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Speaker 5: that won't be the case. Although we would love Raymond Burke.

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Speaker 5: So next choice Cardinal Robert Sarrah from Africa. He is

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Speaker 5: just a tremendous spiritual leader, humble, simple, and we think

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Speaker 5: So do I think he'll win? Probably not realistically with

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Speaker 5: sixty to seventy percent of the cardinals being named Bipo

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Speaker 5: Frances We're probably going to get France as the second,

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Speaker 5: I would guess, but you never know, right.

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Speaker 1: And you think it would be that Secretary of State

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Speaker 1: that you mentioned that he would be most likely.

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Speaker 3: He's got a good chance.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he's got a good chance. Cardinal Togley, and the

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Speaker 5: Philippines also as well. I mean, there are other names

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Speaker 5: like that floated out there. But you know, we'll see

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Speaker 5: and we'll you know, all eyes will be on that

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Speaker 5: chimney right when the conclicte starts around me. Six.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Well, but my final I guess dialogue here with you,

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Speaker 1: I'd like to you know, coming off of Easter, of course,

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Speaker 1: one of the most significant and if we call it

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Speaker 1: a holiday, but it's really it's as remembrance of what

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Speaker 1: Christ did for us on the Cross. You know, it's

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Speaker 1: interesting that Pope Francis died the day after Easter. It's

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Speaker 1: it's significant, of course, and it gives the church bodying

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Speaker 1: opportunity to think about who they want to be within

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Speaker 1: your context of in your purview of what you do

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Speaker 1: with Catholics, for Catholics in America right now, what's the

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Speaker 1: biggest challenge facing Catholics in America. You've got the support

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Speaker 1: of President Trump, who obviously has a certain component of

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Speaker 1: faith to his presidency. Particularly after the assassination attempt two

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Speaker 1: of them. He feels a renewed sense of a new

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Speaker 1: lease on life, and I believe he's connected with his

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Speaker 1: faith far more than he ever had. I believe you

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Speaker 1: would agree with me hopefully on that. What is the

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Speaker 1: plight then and the mission for Catholics in America specifically

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Speaker 1: right now as we move forward in twenty twenty five.

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Speaker 5: Complacency we won in November, but President Trump cannot do

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Speaker 5: it all on his own. You know. The other side

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Speaker 5: is so aggressive and they have so much passion for

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Speaker 5: their cause. They will not sit back, and they're not

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Speaker 5: sitting back read the news. They're going out to repeat Hegseeth,

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Speaker 5: you know, and they continue the dumbas down the row

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Speaker 5: of officials and acts the court. Look at the courts

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Speaker 5: have done, try to stop Tom Homan, you know. So

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Speaker 5: we have got to be engaged. Complacency is the killer, okay,

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Speaker 5: because this goes to our institutions. So how do you

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Speaker 5: not be complacent? It starts with prayer. Everyone has got

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Speaker 5: to pray. Every day silence, silence, silence. That's so key.

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Speaker 5: Christ spent thirty years of his life in absolute silence,

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Speaker 5: unknown from the world. It's from there that true zeal

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Speaker 5: must spring forth. So that's what I would recommend to Catholics,

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Speaker 5: and I try to do myself. And you know how

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Speaker 5: that dys begin with prayer because God will speak. And also,

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Speaker 5: to quote General Flynn, local action equals national impact. He's

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Speaker 5: our senior advisor Catholics for Catholic General Michael Flynn. It's

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Speaker 5: a great phrase to remember here.

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Speaker 1: And finally, John, because this has been a great conversation,

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Speaker 1: where can people go to find more about you and

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Speaker 1: Catholics for.

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Speaker 5: Catholics Google Catholics for Catholics Because, with the grace of God,

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Speaker 5: we've been in the New York Times, New York Post

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Speaker 5: and a lot of other newspapers the last few days

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Speaker 5: with this and what an honor because we wanted to

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Speaker 5: speak up for the truth. Right. But otherwise, go to

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Speaker 5: our website see f r C dot com. That's where

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Speaker 5: we are going to find all our information there on

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Speaker 5: our next action point on what we're up to.

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Speaker 1: All right, John, Well, thank you so much for taking

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Speaker 1: the time with me today. And from Christian to Christian God,

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Speaker 1: bless you and thank you for being with me.

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Speaker 5: Bo, Thank you man, thanks for real for just being

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Speaker 5: I know you're not a part of our faith is to

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Speaker 5: cover this and uh, it's it's it's great to have

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Speaker 5: this conversation and look forward to more of these kind

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Speaker 5: of things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'll pray for you as if someone told

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Speaker 1: me one time you could what is it? Uh, I

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Speaker 1: could use the prayer and you could use the practice.

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Speaker 1: So I'll make sure to apply too. Thank you so much, John,

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Speaker 1: all Right, all right,